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Subscribe to RSSA suicide bomber struck a crowd of Shiite worshippers who packed a Kabul, Afghanistan mosque Tuesday. NBC's Atia Abawi reports from Kabul.
KABUL, Afghanistan -- A suicide bomber struck a crowd of Shiite worshippers who packed a Kabul mosque Tuesday to mark a holy day, killing at least 56 people, and a second bombing in another city killed four more Shiites. They were the first major sectarian assaults since the fall of the Taliban a decade ago.
A Pakistan-based militant group claimed responsibility for the attack.
The attacker blew himself up in the midst of a crowd of men, women and children. The mosque had been packed with worshippers and many who could not fit inside were outside the building.
The blast came shortly after a bicycle bomb near a mosque in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif killed at least four people and wounded 21. Another bomb in a motorcycle exploded in the southern city of Kandahar on Tuesday afternoon, injuring six people, but police said that attack did not target Shiites.
Afghanistan has a history of tension and violence between Sunnis and the Shiite minority, but while such attacks have become commonplace in neighboring Pakistan and parts of the Middle East such as Iraq, they have not occurred in Afghanistan.
"Afghanistan has been at war for 30 years and terrible things have happened, but one of the things that Afghans have been spared generally has been what appears to be this kind of very targeted sectarian attack," Kate Clark, from the Afghanistan Analysts Network, told Reuters. "We don't know who planted the bomb yet and it is dangerous to jump to conclusions but if it was Taliban, it marks something really serious, and dangerous, and very troubling."
Updated at 10:40 a.m. ET: Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al-Alami, a Pakistan-based militant organization, has claimed responsibility for the Kabul suicide attack. In a call to NBC News, someone who claimed to be a spokesman for the group said they had succeeded in their mission to attack Shiites. "It is the first time that someone outside of Afghanistan has claimed responsibility for a attack in the country," NBC News' Mushtaq Yusufzai said.
Updated at 8:50 a.m. ET: The Ministry of Interior said 55 were killed in Kabul — including two women and four children. Sayed Kabir Amiri, who is in charge of Kabul hospitals, told the Associated Press that more than 160 were wounded in the blast. Police confirm that a second bomb was defused in Mazar-i-Sharif near the one that blew up.
Updated at 7:05 a.m. ET: A Taliban spokesman tells Reuters that the group did not carry out the Kabul or Mazar-i-Sharif attacks.
"People were killed by the enemy's un-Islamic and inhuman activity," Zabihullah Mujahid writes in an emailed statement. He adds that the Taliban "strongly condemns such a cruel, indiscriminate and un-Islamic attack."
Updated at 6:30 a.m. ET: Gareth Price, a senior research fellow at London-based think tank Chatham House, says the attacks may have come now because Afghan and Western forces aren't the easy targets they once were.
"Shia shrines are a softer target than foreign troops or the Afghan army," he tells msnbc.com.
However, discrimination against Shiites -- and in particular the largely Shiite Hazaras -- has deep roots in Afghan history. "All the groups pick on the Hazaras," Price says.
Updated at 6:25 a.m. ET: Citing an official with Afghanistan's health ministry, NBC News reports that the Kabul shrine blast killed 54 people and injured 150 others.
Updated at 5:55 a.m. ET: Afghan officials tell The Associated Press that the death toll in Kabul suicide bombing has reached 48. Mohammed Zahir, chief of the Kabul Criminal Investigation Department, adds that more than 100 people were wounded.
Updated at 5:15 a.m. ET: "The shrine's loudspeaker continued to blast a recitation of the Quran as ambulances carried bodies and wounded away," The Associated Press reports. It adds that the Abul Fazl shrine is located close to the palace where President Hamid Karzai lives. Its blue minaret is one of Kabul's better known landmarks.
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A body is covered at the scene of an attack near a shrine in Kabul, Afghanistan.
Updated at 4:55 a.m. ET: Britain's Telegraph newspaper reportsthat "Shiites were banned from marking Ashoura in public under the Taliban who ruled Afghanistan until 2001. This year, there are more Ashoura monuments around the city than usual including black shrines and flags."
Updated at 4:35 a.m. ET: Jonathan Boone (@jon_boone), a Kabul-based correspondent for The Guardian, tweetsquoting US General John Allen as describing the attack as "the latest example of the insurgents' blatant disregard for human life."
Updated at 4:25 a.m. ET: Mohammad Bakir Shaikzada, the top Shiite cleric in Kabul, says that Shiites haven't been attacked in decades in Afghanistan. "This is a crime against Muslims during the holy day of Ashoura. We Muslims will never forget these attacks. It is the enemy of the Muslims who are carrying them out," he said. He says he does not know who could have carried out such an attack.
Updated at 4:15 a.m. ET: Afghan President Hamid Karzai says it is first time that "terrorism" of this kind has occurred in the country on such a religious day, Reuters reports.
Updated at 4:10 a.m. ET: Ahmad Shuja (@ahmadshuja), director of Foundation for Afghanistan, tweets: "My hunch: Today's attacks WON'T, per se, touch off chain of sectarian violence. No Shiite group organized enough or duly experienced."
Updated at 4:00 a.m ET: NBC News cites a health official as saying that at least 50 people were injured in the Kabul blast.
Updated at 3.55 a.m. ET: Mohammad Zahir, head of Kabul's Criminal Investigation Department, tells Reuters that he counted up to 20 bodies at a Kabul hospital, and expected the toll to rise following the explosion at a Shiite shrine in the Afghan capital. A second attack near the main mosque in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif killed four people and injured 17 others.
Reuters journalists Mirwais Harooni and Emma Graham-Harrison point out that although "Afghanistan has a history of tension and violence between Sunnis and the Shiite minority ... since the fall of the Taliban the country had been spared the large-scale sectarian attacks that have troubled neighboring Pakistan. The noon bomb in a riverside shrine, in the heart of old Kabul, appears to set a grim new precedent."
Updated at 3:47 a.m. ET: At least 34 people were killed on Tuesday after blasts hit Shiite shrines in Afghanistan during the festival of Ashoura,Al Jazeera English reports citing local media reports and police.
Published at 3:30 a.m. ET: A blast at a shrine in Afghanistan's capital during the Shiite festival of Ashoura killed up to 24 people Tuesday, according to reports.
Meanwhile, four others were killed in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif when a bomb on bicycle exploded, Reuters said. The victims included a soldier.
The Kabul explosion was caused by a suicide bomber, Al Jazeera reported. It put the death toll at 24.
However, Hashmatullah Stanekzai, a spokesman for Kabul police, told the Associated Press that it wasn't clear if the explosives were planted in the shrine or if a suicide bomber was behind the attack.
The AP reported that at least 15 had been killed in the attack on the shrine, where worshippers were gathering for Ashoura, the Shiite Muslim holiday marking the death of Hussein, the grandson of Prophet Muhammad.
NBC News, msnbc.com staff, the Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Can't we have a day without killing
It's what Muslims do.
They are taught from birth that in order to get to heaven they have to kill so many innocents and when they die they might get laid with 70 virgins.
None of whom are sexy in any sense of the word.
Rockyroad-531554''It's what Muslims do.'' And since you point out that this insanity is taught to them from birth and has been for 1400 years does it make any sense on our part to be over in the land of mohammed dealing with them? I say no this is stupid we are putting our young men and women on the ground with these brainwashed homicidal maniacs,and for what? We are so naive as a country to think that we can help these people,and I continue to believe that these mud hut and cave dwellers with ak47 rifles and rpgs are only a threat because we have placed 100,000 plus Americans from the safety of our wonderful country{usa} to a smouldering hellhole halfway around the world! What a scam to keep the war industry going,for over fourty years we were able to stare down and succesfully defend against the powerful Soviet empire,yet we are unable to defend our shores against a ragtag group of dirty backwards muslim warriors with rpgs and ak-47s. I refuse to believe that the greatest country in the history of the world is threatened by the medieval nitwits that wipe their azzez with their left hand. No subs no warplanes,no missiles no nukes? stop them at our airports and immigration offices and secure the border!
No choppers here...Sorry to be callous, but this time they won't get money from us.
So how many dead? Are they going to broadcast this all over the world and burn flags?
Hypocrites...People in the Middle East can't even keep their own people safe, and they blast at us at any opportunity. We need to get out of those countries that live in the dark ages, with no hope of ever getting out.
I've got great news for you; or haven't you heard????
According to the latest from our "leadership" in Washington, we'll be "standing by" these primitive savages for the next umpteenth number of years, feeding them more money and more of our men and women just so they can hate us more; and to save face from the truth we and the world already know.
I don't know which is worse, sorry to say.
It's what Christians do! Invading countries illegally and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in meaningless, idiotic, endless wars. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. It's what "Christian" nations do!
The muslims are far better and more efficient at killing other mulsims than the christians could ever be.
It's strange how another report of Muslims killing each other brings out the Christian haters.
I don't beleive it was covered on MSNBC, but the Sunnis blew up another 22 Shia women and children celebratin Ashura yesterday in Iraq. Nothin says for a Muslim, "love your fellow Muslim", better than blowin them up on their religious holidays.
JK so true....
These are still backwards tribal communities, listening to their clan elders and doing what they say. This is not Islamism per se. The majority of Muslims are not of this ilk, but are too scared to stand up for fear of being killed or worse, having their families killed before them (pretty much like the Mafia were about 40 years ago)
As a parallel, the US has an average education of 11 years (Afghanistan is probably about 2 or 3), and look at the racism, sexism, classism, etc, etc that exists here.
That being said, I believe that we should pull out of these countries and leave them to their own devices. Use OUR Money here, were our people need it
Irespond...Perhaps its time to take down that photo of John Lennon(peace, love, understanding), and put one up of someone more to your way of thinking.
Another Obama failure.
I thought when Obama was campaigning he was going to get us out of there? Instead he is taking credit for Bush’s time line that Bush established while Bush was in office of removing the troops for Iraq. Obama lied and people died!
He takes credit for the good stuff Bush had done and blames all of his own screw ups on Bush.
As the old American Indian would say…”Obama speak with fork tongue..”
Greatest excuse in the world - God wills it! Buncha nuts. Big religion does nothing but cause trouble.
JK,
it's true what you said, but vice versa.
from a tragedy and killing of innocent people, a lot of people are expressing their hate and racisim.
I'll never get over the idea that Muslims are willing to blow people up at the drop of a hat..."Happily" but won't eat bacon? A culture stuck in the 7th century! will there ever be a reformation of their culture starting with their religion! And for those people that are posting that "nothing brings out the Christian haters like a Muslim bombing". Apparently it also brings out the stupid comments like that one as well. I don't know if it's about hate as much as it's about.."How disgustingly Stupid can this get?" How about the mass murder in Mumbai, India? And the comments that will follow will be about what killers Christians are. Hey, the very next Christian motivated bombing I'll be here to make hateful comments about them also! You know...A small group of Baptist blows up the first church of the Nazerines!
I say get the heck out of there and leave plenty of guns and bulletts to kill each other with. They have been killing each other for 1000 years. Let's leave and let them get back to their passion, Why are we still there when we know darn well if we leave them to their own devices they will kill each other for us.
Mosin..enough with the Obama BS...you haters will use ANY story to say something political....damn, man, get over it. .You don't know WHAT Obama does or thinks, so stop preaching your crap like you have the inside scoop.
Rocky...YOUR comment is the kind of thinking that sparks all this BS.
ALL in the name of religion...where is the actual religious attitude that should be prevalant among all these people...to attack a church...killing innocent people...children...disgusting.
Please, people...STOP adding to this bigotry..a lot of people, no matter what religion, have nothing to do with all this hatred...all they want is to worship their god their way...has nothing to do with YOUR religion.
No religion is free from acts of violence done in the name of whatever god they worship, including Christians..
Reminds me exactly how the different sects of Christianity waged war against each other during the middle ages. Its a religious ciivl war out there and its going to get worse before it gets better.
I wonder how many Korans were "defiled" in the blast. Funny that the Muslims go ballistic if there's any mention of an American doing ANYTHING to a Koran, but they're happy as a pig in mud blowing up their own mosques and shrines, and destroying their own holy books.
Like I said "Bluepanther", The next time one Christian group blows the other up..."As in First Baptist Church sets off bomb at the First Church of Christ"I'll meet you on this Issue and the same criticism for those Idiots! Please don't try to defend mass murder...that is as stupid and unthinking as it gets!
Obama leaves for Hawaii taking 16 days for a Christmas Vacation.
Hell is burning in Afghanistan.
American Soldiers train Afghani's who want to be in the Military.
I say we get out--11 years, and no return. Our Government has some secret tie to Afghanistan.
Why are we leaving Iraq, and not Afghanistan. I "smell" a rat somewhere in this Administration's running of the useless War.
This War will not get Obama a re election in 2012. "He doesn't seem worried about all the strife"; neither does Karzai.
Killing - such a Muslim thing to do!
As corps, people are indeed very peacefull
Sounds like a good idea, except they keep coming to our shore and in big violent quantities.
Afghani's can't leave that Tribal feeling.
They kill each other, then blame the US--
The Christians and the Jews--all Muslims would find some another scapegoat for the blood that is seeping from their War State mind. Heaven to them must mean more fighting--it's more like Hell where they will be going.
Why don't they try changing the KORAN--they certainly are following the book, word by word.
So where do the dead virgins come from? And how would you like to be in their shoes.
ME experts that have watched the "Arab spring" have said that that US is constantly sending mixed messages. So they throw money at the issue, then back allowing the void to be filled with American haters such as the Muslim Brotherhood, and then more ground is lost. So Egypt is a lost cause at this point since they are taking the Iran path.
Obama is a waffler. He easily threw Mubarak under the bus which made us look like jerks in the ME because we supported Mubarak until the uprising and then we quickly turned on our so-called friend. So what sort of message was sent doing that? Both sides I imagine grew to distrust us more. If the US had previously had issues with Mubarack that were very public our shunning him later would be more believable.
One thing to remember. The party, no matter the country, that gives out the goodies is the one the public will choose. The Muslim Brotherhood gave out food and such to voters to get their vote. It worked. The same is true here in the US. The democrats promise big to get votes, start class warfare, and then underfund tremendously all the gift giving. What we have left is huge amounts of debt. Look at Europe. And even with huge amounts of debt, the US is still pouring borrowed Chinese money into the ME which has had very poor results.
Obama and Biden called the Afghan war the "good war". Biden was in Iraq the other day telling their people that he and the democrats didn't start the Iraq war, but they were ending the war the didn't start, and thus sending yet another mixed message from the US. The Partisan bickering is not only splitting up the US, but ruining international relations as well.
What if the 70 virgins the terrorists expect to meet in heaven turn out to be men?
All this over fairy tale books...
Oh, look it's another lovely report about the peaceful muslims getting along and in harmony with their oh so peaceful muslim brothers and sisters (including children, infants, the aged, and animals). Isn't it such a great and wonderful religion? And don't give me any of that sh$t about what Christians did centuries ago. Christians grew up. These rag-heads have been in-fighting and in-breeding since time began. It is quite obvious they are incapable of rational thought processes and will NEVER mature or fit into the real world existing beyond their desert borders.
Peaceful religion my phucking a$$!
Just another day of slaughter in the Middle East.
Yeah, that Arab Spring, and de-escalations in Iraq and Afghanistan, is really going to work well. Can't wait to hear about the Russia-Spring (already in the works) and the EUro-Spring.
One word for all the violence: POWER.
Don't worry......the surge worked.
Yea Mosin. Like finding Osama?
Get the heck of the political band wagonsfolks. There's a separate vine forum for it. Go preach your leftist, rightist, middlist, whateverist there.
You people are absolutely disgusting, I cant believe how ignorant, hateful and prejudice you all are.
There are many many many different denominations in the Islamic faith. To jumble up over a billion people with extremely different theological viewpoints is disgusting. The Shia Muslims in particular do not and have never been part of any terrorist attacks of any kind and they also believe suicide of any kind sends you to hell. So you are blaming the victims in this tragedy for the mere fact that they are Muslim? Absolutely disgusting.
Wake up you @!$%#ing idiots, you are being brainwashed by the media who has you by your balls because you all are so @!$%#ing stupid.
As a Catholic I would be greatly offended if the Lutheran, Mormon or any other church committed crimes and it was blamed on us just because we also follow Jesus Christ and believe in the Bible. There are more sects within Islam than there is in Christianity. A day where these people went to mourn and practice their faith in peace they were attacked just for being different and you all make jokes about it and attack their faith. This is why everybody thinks everyone in America is stupid. Why do I bother ever defending this piece of @!$%# country any more? EVERYONE HERE IS STUPID, its a stupid @!$%#ing country that God has damned, with all of the @!$%#ing problems we have here nobody turns around and thinks GEEEE I wonder if this is the wrath of God for @!$%#ing up the rest of the world and judging everybody else who isnt white.
You are all @!$%#ing losers, when Jesus comes back he'll hate all of you. =) have a nice day
I’ve always been a student of history, but I didn’t know this.
CONDOM HISTORY
Interesting piece of history!
In 1272, the Arabic Muslims
invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first.
In islam, a day without killing is like a day without prayer: it's a sin against your loving and merciful god who clearly hates all his creations that dare to disagree with you, his most obedient servant. Hey, my fantasy of God is greater than your fantasy of God. If you disagree, you are infidel and you and yours must all die, die, die. When will the cycle end? Only when we stop preaching obedience to fantasies. If the all powerful God you say you believe in really wanted something, uh, it would be done without your help.
I wonder what it would be like if humans had been designed without an imagination. That they would only be able to comprehend and believe that which was physically real and provable.
TO: Rockyroad-531554 who wrote:
So, they believe that virgins have sex with mass murders, in heaven? That's just sick.
It's sick to think that could happen here on Earth, and even sicker to think that's what they plan to do, if they were allowed into the kingdom of heaven. Absolutely gross!
Monkeyhead:
Where did you bury reality. This Country was attacked on 9/11, and is continually being Terrorized by Extreme Muslims every single day here in the United States; elsewhere in the World. They are flooding this country. One day, having so many children here, they will take over the United States.
What Islamist/Muslim is speaking out against all the Terror, and telling it's people they should stop murdering innocent people for the sake of the KORAN? Their crazy ideology belief in a scam of a Religion? Muslims are allowed to beat their women, keep them wrapped up in black cover, with only the slits of their eyes showing. Some other women are forced to wear lighter burkas; then not allowed a driver's license; no vote, no say, walking several steps behind their husbands, and killing their own children if they find out they have been going out or had relationships with men, not of their Faith.
Have you heard of Honor Killing?. Do you approve of this method re: one's own children. They are at "War" with their own families.
The Defense you have presented in nonsense, plain and clear---where are you coming from, unless you are "one" of them, impostered as a Catholic.
Good try.
TO: Rockyroad-531554 who wrote:
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Rockyroad-531554:
That is an egregious accusation, an odious and false statement that you are here mischievously publishing and inflicting on innocent others. Where did you get it from genius?
Have you ever opened the Noble Koran? For that matter have you ever read the Holy Bible?
Your statement suggests you are one of those trouble makers, those lost souls, malcontent misfits, who repudiate the teachings of Noble Jesus and Apostle James; and follow the evil footsteps of the Satanic PseudoApostle Paul...worshipping at the Synagogue of Satan : One of those Demonic ChristoFascist ignoramuses of the Pauline Cult, spreading rumors, disinformation, lies and hate around the world.
Having little positive, constructive, or beautiful to offer of their own religion they indulge in shameless rumor and myth creation, impose strawmen on others - These are the unclean Pauline excreta...
These Paulites wallow in filth, call themselves Christians. They throw random mud and excrement around in the hope some would stick to others. They live in a fragile glass house, built on pagan foundation, and foolishly throw stones around...as you just did.
Curb the mischeif. Cut those lies. If you indeed are true to your self and not a hatemonger, and if indeed you have the mental capacity and ability to honor your cult then please reference your abusive lie:
............."It's what Muslims do. They are taught from birth that in order to get to heaven they have to kill so many innocents and when they die they might get laid with 70 virgins".
Please cite from the primary Muslim scripture the Noble Koran and prove that you are indeed true to yourself and not just a ChristoFascist 'trash and a low-life' of the demonic ignoble Pauline Cult.
In the meantime pounder on the words of Noble Jesus as he condemns you:
[Matthew12:37] For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
And unless you provide, cite, those references requested above, Noble Jesus identifies, defines and condemns you as an evil person:
[Matthew12:35]A good man out of the good treasures of his heart bringeth frth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
[Matthew15:11]...;...that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
You better get those references out now quick, for Noble Jesus has a celestial audit waiting for you and your ilk on Judgment Day:
[Matthew12:36]But I say unto you, That every idle word that men speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
PLEASE: This is urgent!!! Please get those reference now while you still have time and clear your account in truth here in this life, in Noble Jesus name; for as certified and recorded by Matthew, referenced above, you will be facing a far more rigorous audit later!
[PS: Your statement is Satanic. If you worship at the Synagogue of Satan please provide these references]
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In the meantime I will contemplate on the actual daily practice of Muslims as Noble Jesus advised them:
[Matthew5:44-45]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
-----------------------------------AND AS THE NOBLE QU'RAN COMMANDS:
[Noble Qu'ran Sura41.034] The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. ------------------
[Sura4.111] Whoso committeth sin committeth it only against himself. Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
[Sura2.045] Seek help in patience and prayer; and truly it is hard save for the humble-minded,
[SURA 73:10] AND BEAR WITH PATIENCE WHAT THEY UTTER, AND PART FROM THEM WITH A COURTEOUS LEAVE TAKING.
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May Peace be with you>>
>HAVE A NICE DAY...
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American Girl-724855:
TO: Rockyroad-531554 who wrote:
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STILL W A I T I N G for those references !!!
[PS: Your statement is Satanic. PLEASE If you worship NOT at the SYNAGOGUE of SATAN please provide these referencesrequested in #1.39- Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST ]
Muslims kill infidels and if they don't get infidels they kill each other! What a cult!
See the posts of few giving explanations for the killer cult.
Though we are in 21st century, these Islamic cult members are still in their seventh century tribal and desert days!
Cats kill rats. Christians kill Jews, Gays, Muslims, Africans, Native Americans, anyone they can kill. The difference is: Muslims fight back!
Hindus kill Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, Muslims, lower castes, female offspring, burn women, childern widows alive if the husband dies...what have you. Hindus kill every thing except Cows, Monkeys and Rats...their gods and goddesses!
In fact the Untouchable Castes change their religion and become Christian, even Muslim, anyone who can protect them from the Hindu wrath, lash back.
They even change their untouchable names, which are easily identified in the Hindu caste system, to a western/christian sounding name such as Jonathan - makes for good camouflage. Nice touch there Jonathan!
[PS: Your diversion notwithstanding, you have not succeeded in avoiding the issue: Please provide the references that were requested, all else is evasion, diversion, avoidance, obfuscation, cowardice and vanity.
Jonathan please provide references if you are truthful...
Sending me to other posts is not relevant, provide the reference or go worship at the Synagogue of Satan, Jesus will take care of the rest...as I have referenced above.]
Hamzsque... I have a question for you. You quote the Holy Bible, please explain the following verses.
John 14:6
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 1:34-37
34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
37And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
Revelation 22:18-20
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
You try to suggest that the Holy Bible and the Koran compliment each other and are in unison of thought and message. They are NOT. The Koran is in stark contradiction of the Bible.
70 virgins?? Dead Muslim terrorists aren't screwing - they're screwed.
As are you - TROLL !
Hamzsque El Sid313: As you belong to the Islamic killer cult, leave alone trolling, your comments are not even worth reading!
Currently, followers of Islamic cult have become international liabilities and curses on the societies, nations and the world they live.
Quit the stalling Hindu...please provide those references. Or go worship at the Synagogue of Satan, or your monkey god, or cow, rat, whathaveyou...
[PS: Leave those Dalets and Untouchables alone, don't kill and bury alive your baby daughters, and please please don't burn widows alive...they are human beings too...Oh, I forgot they are not fully human in your belief system...and you yourself are an Untouchable camouflaged under a respected Christian name.]
Please Note: Without presenting those references all other comments are acknowledgement of premeditated deceit, thus void and invalid: Evasion, diversion, avoidance, obfuscation, cowardice and vanity!
Have a nice day.
Nothing is going to change over there.Our government said on thanksgiving day or the day after etc that we are ging to be there for very many years to come.Why?We should have never went there with thousands of troops.Obooboo knew better,he was the one that said if elected I'll send no more than perhaps 1 brigade which changed to thoousands as soon as he was in.He had to warned by the military and the CIA and the NSA not to do it.The right way was the way Bush was handleing it by using only special forces and black ops only.We were actually making very good progress until oboobo came along and ruined everthing.Soon that idiot will be gone and so will his flunky admin,then perhaps we might se something positive start to happen
Only special forces and black ops? You are seriously disillusion! When President Obama (not Obooboo you disrespectful jerk) took office there were 100,000 combat troops in Afghanistan. What the president, with the input of his generals, was increase the troop strength to 130,000. A surge, just like Bush did in Iraq.
Ahd all this time I thought it was President Osama!
You seem to forget that it was Bush who got us into Afghanistan in the first place. Bush had a choice when the Taliban refused to give up Bin Laden. He didn't have to consign one American soldier to Afghanistan, four or five nuclear warheads would have wiped out the Taliban structure as well as Bin Laden and we could have left these idiots to their own sectarian self destruction. At the same time it would have sent a message to every Moslem Country that we will nor would we brook any such acts of terror on American soil, its citizens or interest. Bush opted on the side of the military-industrial complex and decided to invade Afghanistan. Prudence and common sense will tell our Moslem brotherhood under any name that one American life might cost them ten thousand lives collaterally and otherwise, that terrorism is a counterproductive tool. Power without the exercise thereof is viewed as no power at all. A few well placed nuclear warheads sends a powerful message that the TIGER has awoken. Moslem cities are crowded with millions of people who fear the Imam more than they fear us. A change in this thinking will bring a different tone from the Moslem community. You sir need to get your facts right before you blame President Obama for the situation in Afghanistan.
Try again Mike. There were only about 38K US troops in Afghanistan when Obozo took office. Call me disrespectful and you'd be right. I have no respect for the man what so ever. However bad shape we were in in 2008 has grown Substantially since the community organizer in chief took power.
Martin Luther King had a Dream. We have a nightmare.
I think you should just continue to get your news updates from Ollie while watching Family Guy in fantasy land and stop posting on here.
Please.
Janine - Not quite right. In the summer of 2006, the troops were increased from 48K to 52K. As Bush started the "wind down" in Iraq, US troops in Afghanistan were increased to 60K. At present the US troop level is at 90K.
Another Obama failure.
I thought when Obama was campaigning he was going to get us out of there? Instead he is taking credit for Bush’s time line that Bush established while Bush was in office of removing the troops for Iraq. Obama lied and people died!
He takes credit for the good stuff Bush had done and blames all of his own screw ups on Bush.
As the old American Indian would say…”Obama speak with fork tongue..”
Janine-1645002 why must Obama and the late Dr Martin Luther king share pace on your post?
Mr. King was the last of his breed and there will be no other. Stop joining the line between them already people. Geez
Rev. MartinLutherKing's claim to fame was due to the bullet that killed him - his assassination - without that he would be just another Jesse Jackson!
President Obama's claim to fame is his Noble Peace Prize - With it the Noble Committee gave him 'Carte Blanche' death warrant to assassinate and kill Muslims, destroy their homes and their families around the world, in their bed rooms if it pleases him - where ever he pleases!!
The Noble Prize is traditionally awarded after the winning event, not as an incentive for it...In Obama's unique case, it was given in the expectation of him continuing the Bush 'born-again' Crusade. President Bush had the naive but genuine passion to herald his Christian Crusade because: "My lord told me, and I did". Obama's devious behaviour appears to suggest that he is only marginally Christian, perhaps agnostic, even atheistic - A Stealth Crusader, just like his Stealth Presidency!!!
Irrespective, his hate for Muslims, his submission to the NeoCon-ZioNaziFascists, kowtowing to the Military Industrial Complex is unfortunate for the well being of the Mr.Regular Joe Average American - in the long run!
Inexplicable the Republicans are failing to put up a viable contender, after the Bush washout they are unlikely to find one - but then I had erroneously assessed that Ex-VicePresident Al Gore was more presidential then Bush. The Supreme Court in its wisdom proved me wrong...and did in America too at the same time - all are paying for that decision even today!!
Enter Ron Paul: Ron Paul's wisdom, his astute measured confidence, his consistency and unwavering belief and respect for the sacredness of the US Constitution, his endurance, his unassuming personality, his affection for humanity and love for Americans - A True American - places him as the only hopeful who can seriously challenge President Obama, counter the President's fancy footwork, his deceit and cunning and the nonchalant but deadly ruthless sucker punch he keeps at the ready behind his back - the rest are so much pap...
Honorable All American Wise Ron Paul -VS.-The Versatile, Highly Intelligent But UnWise Obama.
The All America RON PAUL -vs- The Machiavellian President Obama
YOU DECIDE!!!
"Rev. MartinLutherKing's claim to fame was due to the bullet that killed him - his assassination - without that he would be just another Jesse Jackson!"
Never ever compare Jesse Jackson With king, he wasn't even in the same class as Dr King. EVER.
He IS the last of his Breed. Period.
I wont be replying to anything else you have to say obviously your trying to bait people...
Barbarians to the core! Religion of peace my a**.
Phil Katz
I couldn't agree more, they are barbarians! Another Muslim suicide bomber makes his mother proud.
Maybe Afghans will finally recognize the real enemy now that Pakistan is bombing them.
They know our zealous right very well.
This NEVER happened in Afghanistan's history.
The occupying powers dividing Sunnis and Shi'as once again like they did in Iraq.
I pray for the dead and their loved ones. May you be raised with Imam Hussain (as).
END THE WAR.
Not true. The most peaceful time in Afghanistan was when there were no Moslems there. They were growing Pomegranates and other fruits instead of Poppy that kill our population. Remember what the TaliBans did: Destroy the Buddhist statues carved in the mountains! Guess where those Buddhas came from: NO, Not the moslems . they were too busy killing and torturing. Islam came, forcefully killed off the peace loving Buddhists or forcefully converted them to Moslems. YOU MOSLEMS will never, never have peace for the dark ages that you have brought to our planet. May you rot in hell for as long as you think you and your religion and your path to destruction of the rest of us is the only true way to hearts of the 40 virgins you seek in heaven for destroying this great planet.
The most peaceful time in Afghanistan was when there were no Moslems there.
Not even close, Afghanistan was only at peace when the WEST wasn't busy trying to screw it their way.
Before the time of the Russian Invasion they were in semi peace and then the chit hit the fan full force thanks to the Russians and then the US.
When the Brits tried, they simply lost and went away.
Jeremy you are in denial about your religion 'msnbc:'"Afghanistan has been at war for 30 years and terrible things have happened'' Islam has been raping pillaging and murdering since it's inception. Sorry but the facts are undeniable it is a deadly plague that has been casting darkness on our planet for 1400 years.
It is so funny how so many are prepared to jump on the religious violence boat and ride the stern. This is a Terrorism act and has Nothing to do with religion. Do any of you spouting this rhetoric know anything about Islam and it's primary pillars of teachings? I bet none of you know that Islam teaches the miracle of immaculate conception and the fact that Jesus (Issah Messe) (AS) was in fact the messiah sent to save the people of the times? This is not religious this is a power struggle between one terrorism group and the peace loving people of this country. They hate Shi'ite Muslims becuase they are moderate and progressive. Meaning the have many of the same ideas and beliefs that Westerners have. Get your facts straight before you get on this all Muslims are bad kick. The reality is that many religions have committed horrendous acts in the name of their GOD. So get over it already. We need to target terrorist not Muslims and as long as the west continues to look over the fact of who the true terrorist are and target Muslims this will never end.
Well it is religious violence from an extremist point of view. I don't think all Sunni Muslims want to kill Shiite Muslims any more than I think all Protestant Irish want to kill Catholic Irish. But the sad reality is there are extremist within these cultures that want just that. They are in fact carrying out these attacks from a very religious point of view, as far as taking the teachings of their religion to the extreme of their definition as they perceive it. These people are indeed barbaric in their actions and need to be eliminated within their own society. The USA and NATO need to leave them to do what they claim they are capable of doing. If the extremist take these countries over, then they should be pinned in and isolated from the peace loving world. There are many Asian and Middle Eastern countries that are Muslim Governed that recognize the importance of proper relations with the western world and they have no problems within their society. They are under control without genocide of their people or the tolerance of extremist activist.
OH, cheer up folks-
Hear the latest from Washington and NATO? (Same entity, I know):
Just ten more DECADES at 80 BILLION PLUS a year (inflation adjusted) into the World Monetary Fund of OUR TAX MONEY and thousands MORE of our TROOP'S lives, into this cat litter box and everything will be ALL BETTER! YEEE HAAAAA!
That's right - because the "fine" specimens occupying the White House say so!!!!
Pfffffffffft.
Funny how you don't mention those "fine" specimens occupying the halls of Congress. They are the ones who keep the troops in harms way . The President has no power to declare or maintain a war without the consent of Congress. Wh ere is your erudite knowledge of government coming from that by any stretch of the imagination that this is President Obama's war. He inherited Bush's mess of two wars and has managed to extricate us from at least one of them. But then what can we expect from a Fox University graduate. School of fact distortion and pick on the black President as your major and minor.
Christians have killed and slaughered millions of innocents during the Crusades, Inquisition, Wars of Religion - and the the Age of Western Imperialism when Christians nations including the U.S. conquered and colonized most of the globe, seizing other people's resources and territories frequently in the name of Christian and Western Civilization. The Christian historical track record on mass murder is nothing to be proud of either. Both World War were fought by largely Christian nations. In fact one can argue that Western Imperialism in the Middle East with the British in Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan and the French in Lebanon, Syria, and most of Arab North Africa provoked the Islamist revival and resistance movements of the 20th century. Also of course another example of Western colonialism in the Middle East - the conquest of Palestine by Jewish Europeans - fomented an enormous Islamic revival and resistance movement. The West is respnsible for much of the bloodletting in the Middle East of recent years. If we minded our own business, quit invading, and took a more balanced position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there would probably be a lot less violence there.
I will not argue your point, However a certain President refused to acknowledge the war powers act and conducted combat operations for 8(?) months in Libya.
Bush I, II, Clinton and President Obama are ALL agency developed by the Trans Natioanl BANKSTERS to impliment their New World Order.
Yesterdays point, Did you see where Bill Clinton was gettin $50,000 a MONTH from Corzine to advise MF Global? That's $6000,000 a year for nothin. Who knows how many were gittin payoffs.
Don't fall for the good cop/bad cop game. They are ALL puppets dancing to the same Puppetmasters strings. LOL!
Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is a Muslim.
The Qu'ran states to "kill the Infidel" wherever you may find him well enough, too many times to mention. Now that leaves a very ambiguous interpretation of who the "infidel" is and therefore you have the fanatic Muslims knocking off those they feel are inferior including Christians and those of their own faith not zealous enough for their liking.
Let’s not mince words here, Religion is the problem not the faithful. Christianity and Islam have spilled the blood of innocents throughout history. It’s just that Islam is still stuck in the dark ages along with every Islamic country over there and they need to be left to their own devices until they get it. You cant go killing innocent people! Only God can judge.
May God bless everybody and peace prevail.
To Yeahreally,
You might want to bone up on your world history. The Crusades, were in fact started to thwart the Muslim invasion and violent takeover of Europe. So the violent times of The Crusades where actually started by Muslims. This was also quite a few centuries ago and hopefully Christians have enlightened themselves by now, while Muslims continue to kill each other in the name of God every day. If God wants someone dead, He doesn't need anyone's help to accomplish this. Muslims still live in the past. We are talking about what happened today, aren't we? And, BTW, I am not a member of any "club".
Your statement that every Muslim is not a terrorist but every terrorist is a Muslim is simply not true. It is flat out wrong. The IRA, the Basque separatists, the Latin American narco-terrorists, Timothy McVeigh, the Aryan Nations, KKK, the state-sponsored terrorist of the CIA are all terrorists. But none of them is a Muslim. There are lots of non-Muslim terrorists and non-Muslim state that practice terrorism including the United States. Israel also frequently practices state-sponsored terrorism - deliberately planned assassinations of civilians that often lead to the death of innocent bystanders and actions such as fighter-bomber strikes on Palestinian towns and refugee camps. Terror is a tactic used by all sorts of peoples and states of different faiths. Our own colonial ancestors used terror raids against Amerindians and terror tactics against the British when they lacked the strength to defeat them conventionally. The contemporary and historical records are full of examples of non-Muslim terrorists.
Seven, Just one simple question, Where were the crusades fought? Muslim invasion,,,,,,,,LOL
The vast majority of terrorist attacks since 9-11 occurred on Muslims by Muslims.
The Sunni Shiite scism won't heal and the Koran is a book about conquest.
Learn the history, learn the text, learn about abrogation, al Taqiyya, and dhimmitude.
Until you know the above commenting on Muslims in any manner but one expressing sorrow for the victims, shame and scorn for the unspeakable actions of those who committed the mass murder is plain wrong.
Islam needs a reformation or to go the way of the DODO.
@Seven...you can't reason with people like yeahreally. They hate their country and feel compelled to attempt at giving us a history lesson.
Yeahreally, I'll give your argument a listen the next time the IRA highjack an airplane. Or the Latin terrorists actually come to my house and kidnap me. Tim McVeigh is a nutjob...case closed. And the Aryan nation is a gang largely involved in drug trafficking, just like the mexican & black gangs (which you conveniently left out). KKK, give me a break...you need to put the history book down and get a clue.
Bo, from Wiki:
The Reconquista, a long period of wars in Spain (Iberia) where Christian forces reconquered the peninsula from Muslims, is closely tied to the Crusades. Uh, in case you don't know your Geography (sixth grade), Spain is in Europe the last time I checked. Keep laughing if you must.
Raider, the IRA have planted bombs, boobytraps, and used sniper rifles to kill hundreds of civilans and British soldiers in the 20th century. Only plane hijackers are terrorists? Just because the Basques, the Tamil Tigers, and the narco-terrorists don't attack Americans or personally come to your home to kidnap you (your example) does not mean they are not terrorists. Timothy McVeigh was a nutjob, case closed? Well huge numbers of terrorists of all stripes are nutjobs but that does not exempt them from being terrorists also. Ask the survivors of Oklahoma City if they were not attacked by an anti-federal gov't terrorist? McVeigh claimed as much himself! Yes Muslims do make up a majority of terrorists operating today but to state that only Muslims are terrorist (the argument I replied to) is a ludicrous assertion.
As long as Islam Exists there will never be peace anywhere in the world. ISLAMIC population grows at least 5 times all religions - in India, Indonesia, in France, In Middle east - everywhere, so we have no hope until there is no Islam. They have made sure of that. Just look at what they have done over the last 1000 years: They have held back Humanity thru most disgraceful violence. Sure we Christians also had violence - but even then at the same time they were twice as bad.
Mike-1958353As long as Islam Exists there will never be peace anywhere in the world
Keep dreaming, as long as religion is around we wont have any peace.
Mike-1958353
''As long as Islam Exists there will never be peace anywhere in the world.'' I also believe this is true and the only way to live in peace is to isolate ourselves from the Islamic believers,the problem with Islam is the more devout and religous one becomes the more intolerant and violent it becomes towards those that still maintain some sense of sanity.
How may religions have managed to avoid holy wars for the entirety of their existence? How many of them have existed for more than 50 years?
Aside from Buddhism, no other religion has been free from religious wars for more than 2000 years (I think).
'As long as Islam Exists there will never be peace anywhere in the world.''
The true words of a couch potato.
The Taliban of the east has nothing over the Taliban of the west.
Religion has always been the problem which includes Christianity.
Atheists have done their fair share of killing also. So all of you who think that religion is the root of all evil should think again. Religion, like all human enterprises, gets perverted by the greedy and power mongering misfits among us. That's the problem. And it's been here since the first human sharpened a rock.
As long as Man exists there will never be peace in this world. It is man, human beings, especially of the male gender that have a constant hunger for violence and war. It is in our DNA. We love to kill and use physical violence against other especially in the name of some great cause, for a flag, for a God, for peace and humanity.
Mao murdered 40-79 million!
Stalin murdered 20 million!
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)
49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)
23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945)
12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
8,000,000
Chris D-4324837:
I, also, wish that there were no "religions." Then, you would know, without a doubt, just how wrong you are about what you have posted.
Express your sentiment to the people who died living in countries that attempted to purge "religion" from among them. Would you be one who would support the "purge?"
Yo mike! Did ww1 or ww2 Had any conections with muslims? or any other major war?...It is $ profit that is the problem ,and not to mention the ego and luck of tolarance of the world polititions.
Sarcasticus1
Chris D-4324837:
You could try to be close to your point? You weren’t even close.
Saying someone tried to remove all religion killing people along the way, is somehow proof that the absence of religion is some how equal in its killing acts, thus all the killing in the name of religion is good, the same, shouldn't worry about it?
The second part has no bearing on the first?
Killing in the name of, or killing in the absence of, religion, ..........share nothing in common.
benr-3287919
I don't see any US stats in your post.
Either a education is in line or state your obvious denial?
You don't know?
Chris D:
It is you who missed the point on more levels than I can respond.
"Religion has always been the problem which includes Christianity. Keep dreaming, as long as religion is around we wont have any peace."
Even you know those are stupid comments...I can tell by your posts are smarter than that. You are responding in anger and frustration.
If religion wasn't around we "would" have peace...nah! If religion has always been the problem how would you explain survival of the fittest? It does not follow that man would live in peace.
I can't even address how you twisted my post to think what you thought! Talk about being off target...WOW!
Ashura in Afghanistan is a national holiday (a national day of mourning) that signifies the sacrifice Imam Hussain, the grandson of the Prophet, when he was killed alongside his family after refusing to support the tyrant at the time.
Despite being a primarily Shi'a event, Sunnis also respect this day and Imam Hussain. Why is it, all of a sudden, after hundreds of years, we see a bomb blast on this day in Afghanistan? Pakistan or Iraq, I would understand. But not Afghanistan.
There has to be another hand working here and I'm sorry, but playing the Taliban card is just too convenient.
Jeremy Bobby''There has to be another hand working here and I'm sorry, but playing the Taliban card is just too convenient.'' Yes and it is your religion Islam. Why keep trying to find an excuse? Look at your history of 1400 years of intolerance and violence.
Crusades, Inquisitions, decimation of native populations in the New World, Manifest Destiny, Salem Witches...any of those ring a bell, Mr Pot?
The problem is not spirituality , the problem is when it degrades into zealotry and power politics and people claiming they have they the exclusive source of Truth.
Yes, because goodness knows, it'ts the JEWS, CHRISTIANS, HINDUS, and all the other religious and ethnic groups and NEVER the Muslims, that go around crashing airplanes in to buildings, and strapping suicide bombs around their chests, right?????
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you are safe in assuming that it is a duck. Those peace loving, enlightened Taliban never did any inhumanitarian thing while they were in control. We all know that violence was not their strong suit. It was all lies about Bin Laden bringing down the Twin Towers, and we blew up the Buddhist shrine because we needed the material from that site, after all most of the Buddhist had already died anyway from lead poisoning. What can you expect from a bunch of lying women who refuse to cover up. We unequivocally state that we had nothing to do with that explosion in Kabul even if it was an exTaliban believer who we lent several pounds of explosive to to clear some rocks from his poppy field. If you keep blaming us we will have to take sterner measures to correct your lies about us
I am not stickin up for the Sunni, however when you see the Shia marchin in the parades, cutting themselves with their swords and knives, they are punishing themselves for being born. They are ashamed that their forefathers did not DIE protecting Ali Hussein 1400 years ago against the Sunni who killed him and massacred his family. THis makes the Sunni want to kill them also. The only thing that says LOVE in Islam better than killin Infidels is killing apostates, or should I say bad Muslims.
Obviously, the suicide bombers don't want to go into the afterlife, alone.
Perhaps this is their American version of, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!"
Enough senseless, premature, death, death, death, death, and ever more death upon the innocents as well as the few guilty to go around for everyone and anyone -- so long as an uncompromising cultural application of religion is involved with despair, and the feeling of, "I no longer have anything left to lose but my anger and hopelessness," ...and some simple, bomb-making techniques...
Why write a suicide note that hardly anyone will read, when you can go out with a big bang, of which will force everyone to take notice or die trying?
Sad, but true, in a place of poverty where life has become so cheap. I feel bad for the innocents that are subjected to this punctuated violence, where the lessons aren't easily learned if you're mutilated and handicapped for life, or dying, or dead.
One day is drone and airstrikes, the next day is this... cowards are competing in bloodbath
Score another victory for how awesome religion is.
More evidence that these people thrive on sorrow, grief, and sadness. How many years before they will have each other killed off and the land will be barren of human beings?
The thing is it only takes a very small minority to damage society. Unfortunately that minority in the ME has a loud voice and has caused so much harm and tremendous pain.
Chris D said it right. As long as we have the nonsense of religion in the world there will never be peace. The mythical nonsense I worship is better than the mythical nonsense you worship. Mohammed, God, Odin, Zeus, The Great Pumpkin - get over this nonsense already and grow up. These muslims are essentially midievel tribal people - how can we share the world with them without violent clashes?
eight is enough-444535''These muslims are essentially midievel tribal people'' I think you are correct so backwards,can 1400 years of brainwashing be reversed? Should we even try to help them? I think they are a lost cause,terminally insane.
Peace...are you serious? Not everyone believes in this garbage...can you imagine what it must be like to live in a country where you have to fear every day that something like this will happen? That all of these radical dumb@!$%#s warp your religion to their own disgusting beliefs, and that others look at you in that very hateful way simply because you are a Muslim?
The day after 9/11 I went to school, and I saw these two women who were obviously of Middle Eastern descent, walk into the college. I felt so much respect for them. They could have stayed home because, with people like the ones on here spouting their hateful comments, there was sure to be much animosity towards them. You could tell they were hesitant, but they did it anyway. I never heard anyone say anything to them when I was near them, but you could see people just stop what they were doing and watch them.
These two women were there for an education. They resepcted our laws (as far as I know) and the rules of the college. I cannot imagine how frightening it must have been to come through those doors after what had happened the day before. They must have been embarrassed and disgusted and afraid...all because some idiots in their religion abused their abilities and abused their religion to hurt so many people.
So please, try not to condemn everyone...because it isn't everyone...
bluepanther20 Yes i honestly believe religous devout muslims are criminally insane, those that are not so devout{haven't drank the kool aide} don't buy all the nonsense are OK. Of course more so in the ME. and Asia than the westernized ones in the usa,although we have our share of Devout Muslims{insane}
Peace Lover - that is a tough one and I am pretty sure that I will be dead by the time it is figured out! I'd love to see mankind grow up enough that people stop worshipping and fighting over imaginary friends but I doubt that I will !
religion - one of the worst inventions mankind ever made.
@wsdm
religion - also one of the best inventions mankind ever made. Depends on how you look at it. In a grand scheme of things, the way I see it, religion was invented by the human brain for the survival of the human species at certain times as evolution progressed. It was invented to try to make sense and understand many things that couldn't be understood at the time. As time progressed some thought processes branched out into math and science. Some kept their thought processes in religion, etc. Some use a combo of both. Without it we as a species MAY have not come this far with a population of 8 billion and climbing faster as top predator over other species on earth. I might not be writing this without human's religion of the past. Maybe...in the future E=MC2 will be a title of a chapter of some religous book.
re: The right way was the way Bush was handleing it
^ Are you smoking dope? That is one of the worst posts ever written on this website.
How W handled Afghanistan.
1) Allow Bin Ladens Afghan terrorists to attack America, destroy the World Trade Center, and kill 4000 Americans, make it the most terrible military defeat in our history.
2) Allow Bin Laden to escape from Afghanistan in the "Battle of Tora Bora" in 2001. He was in Pakistan when Obama found him - BECAUSE HE ESCAPED due to W, Cheney and Rumsfelds incomparable BUMBLING STUPIDITY.
3) Divert America's attention to Iraq, based on the WMD lie. Leading to another 4000 Americans dead, trillions wasted and the country bankrupted.
4) Fail to win the war in Iraq, to win the war in Afghanistan, failed to find Bin Laden, fail fail fail.
The notion that the religious violence in Afghanistan would not occur if W were president still, (????) requires a complete brain wipe, forgetting everything W was, did and failed to do. Boooo!
"Allow Bin Laden?"
Actually, Clinton had Bin Laden in the crosshairs in 1998, and let him go. The Clinton admin also did nothing when there were terrorists taking flight training in '98 and '99 in the US. Funny how people think the 9/11 plot was hatched in just the 8 months that Bush was president.
re: Actually, Clinton had Bin Laden in the crosshairs in 1998, and let him go.
^ For that matter the CIA helped train him during the Reagan Administration, but I don't blame Reagan or Clinton for Sept 11. That's ridiculous.
re: Funny how people think the 9/11 plot was hatched in just the 8 months that Bush was president.
^ Plots are hatched all time. No one blames Bush for other peoples plots.
He's blamed for the attack that he was warned about by US intelligence and failed to prevent.
He's blamed for failing to bring the attackers to justice.
He's blamed for starting a fake war in Iraq to distract from his complete failure as commander in chief.
He's blamed for the 4000 soldiers who denied in Iraq for nothing.
Attempts to blame Clinton, Reagan or anyone else the W/Cheney failures are absurd.
Really, his initial should have been "F" and not W.
Its the same way they blame Obama for the economy that out of control capitalism has caused. Regulation is like laws for money and when you don't have it, well. We have seen the result we are still seeing. This whole thing is tied together. Any one that knows anything about Afganistan History must admit they actually way better off under soviet control than Taliban or ALkida or any of these barbaric masonginistic societys.
Why are we there?? If we weren't the would be doing the same thing.. Ron Paul he's the only one with a solution.. Withdraw troops.. Reduce the deficit.. Cut the size of government..
JJISNO1 I am starting to believe that Ron Paul may be the only answer to endless war.
Same old rhetoric from 1939. Its like telling a man with cancer go home and pray, your cancer will cure itself, or kill you. Especially if you stop women from aborting fetuses and do away with every watchdog agency in the government. Depriving a person's right to control their body is in the Constitution isn't it? Or is this a form of theocracy. The Bible also mentions that abortion is a sin, doesn't it, somewhere on those pages. Forget about the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the Constitution they don't know what they are talking about. The Bible trumps the Constiutution or am I right? I want strict interpretation of the Constitution unless it conflicts with my religious views. We all know that the Bible condones slavery doesn't it, at least my plantation owning great grandfather told me it did, and the Supreme Court backed him up back then. It was that damn Lincoln who screwed everything up.
This is just the way things work over there,its there culture so don't make fun or try to change it,don't go judging them with your standards.
I guess it's the purist form of Religious intolerance I've ever seen.
Yeah a messed up place and Obama sent our Troops over there why again?
Let them kill each other with the hope for peace on earth when they have all disappeared.
And this is what that thing by the name of Mohammed preached, kill, kill kill and continue killing anyone you do not like. This is what over a million muslims followers worship? I conclude that this is not a religion but a division of the fallen "Lucifer" soldiers here on earth to engaged in the attempt to destroyed the true religion and the words of the MESSIAH. Armagedom is at hand, and the soldiers from the crust of the earth have been unleashed and taken weapons in the name of Islam. Yahushua (Jesus) is my savior and the salvation for me, my loved ones and all my friends. I invite you to open your eyes and do not discard this message.
The time is now,
Al Maldonado
Let them kill each other with the hope for peace on earth when they have all disappeared.
Thats what the say about Israel every day.
The Muslims do not do many things well , the one exception is killing. They excel in that pursuit, it is their national past time.
Guess what folks: believe half of what you see and NONE of what you read.
The truth is, this could be:
A. Shiite's killing Shiite's but trying to put the blame on Sunnis
B. The CIA killing Shiite's but putting the blame Sunnis for the crime to stir up ethnic unrest
C. Iran killing Shiite's but putting the blame Sunnis for the crime to stir up ethnic unrest
or any number of other governments or groups who want to advance their own interests in the region.
Remember folks when you see these sorts of news reports that only two things are true:
1. People did die and
2. The report about who did it is probably a lie.
It's a good thing that this is the religion of peace.
I almost forgot about that,
If I recall correctly Bush and now Obama, continue to say the same thing. I wonder if they ever read the news paper or watch TV.
A bomb on a bike in a distant land will make the news. A drive-by .. involving a gang, killing innocent bystanders in America may not be heard about. Odd how people quicken their view at distant violence while home grown terrorist breed in backyard America.
What bothers me more is that a chemical company in America can kill tens of thousands of Americans a year and it doesn't even make the news.
But if you reported that you'd be a socialist or a Communist. We don't want to let a few hundred thousand dead Americans get in the way of the economy, that's UN-American, especially in Texas.
AMEN, BROTHER! IF A CANDIDATE was smart enough to run on a policy of "taking care of America and Americans first" they would win a landslide unlike any ever seen before. But big business pays for campaigns and they won't pay for that because they have their greedy hooks into the whole world.
Candidates: bring home ALL the troops (Korea, Germany, Okinawa, Italy , Germany, Phillipines, etc etc etc) focus on jobs here by securing the borders and allowing Americans to take the construction, landscaping, restaurant jobs they USED to be able to make a living at until the illegal invasion. I'm old enough (46) to remember- when I was growing up in Los Angeles it was all AMericans doing those jobs and making a living at them.
Wow love your comment, that is so true. And people seem to be so quick to judge others. I'm frankly growing very tired of everybody, I feel like staying in my house and never leaving just because I feel so tired of hearing people's ignorance. Welcome to United States of Stupid