'Silent coup' rumors swirl as Zardari leaves Pakistan

Anjum Naveed / AP

Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari listens to a reporter at a press conference in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, in this picture taken on Aug. 15, 2010.

Updated at 6:06 a.m. ET

ISLAMABAD -- Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has traveled to Dubai after falling ill, fuelling rumors Wednesday of his possible resignation.

Close associates of the president told the Associated Press he is currently "unwell," but did not provide specifics. His condition did not appear to be life-threatening, they said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.


Zardari's office said he was undergoing routine medical tests and a check-up "as planned."

However, Reuters cited a source in Dubai as saying that Zardari had suffered a minor heart attack.

"Two days ago, he had chest pain," the source added.

Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani's office released a statement saying Zardari "went to Dubai following symptoms related to his pre-existing heart condition."

The president's spokesman denied a media report that the trip meant Zardari, who has been under pressure from a memo scandal that forced the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S. to resign, would cite failing health as a pretext to step down.

"All these reports are untrue, imaginary and speculative," spokesman Farhatullah Babar told The Associated Press.

'Noose was getting tighter'
An article published Tuesday on the website of Foreign Policy magazine quoted an unnamed former U.S. government official as saying Zardari was "incoherent" when he spoke with President Barack Obama by telephone over the weekend.

Parts of the U.S. government were also informed that Zardari had a "minor heart attack" on Monday night and might resign on account of "ill health" amid the uproar over the memo scandal, the source said.

"The noose was getting tighter -- it was only a matter of time," the former official reportedly told Foreign Policy.

The story quickly spread on Twitter and it was picked up by Pakistan's ratings-hungry television channels.

Rumors also circulated on Twitter of an army takeover on Tuesday night, but that was quickly recanted by the original poster.

"Some elements blew up this to create unrest in the country," said Fauzia Wahab, a senior member of Zardari's Pakistan People's Party. "His visit to Dubai and having a medical check-up is perfectly normal."

Foreign Policy also quoted a source close to Zardari as saying that "rumors of a silent coup are sometimes a way of trying to effect a silent coup. It won't happen."

Zardari, a canny political operator, has survived many predictions of his downfall since he became president in 2008.

A Dubai-based member of Zardari's party, Mian Muneer Hans, said the president landed in Dubai around 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday.

"He walked to his car in the airport and was not on any ambulance," said Hans, adding that he was accompanied by his doctor and petroleum minister Asim Hussain. Zardari was taken straight to the American Hospital in Dubai, according Hans.

"He's taking rest in the hospital now. He may be there for two to three days," Hans told Reuters. 

Zardari traveled to London in September to undergo an angiography and was reportedly given a clean bill of health.

Pakistan's civilian government has been under extreme pressure in recent weeks following the resignation of its ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani.

The scandal centers on a memo sent in May to U.S. Adm. Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time, asking for his help in preventing a supposed coup by the Pakistan military, following the covert American raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

Saturday's incident on Pakistan's border with Afghanistan has complicated U.S. attempts to ease a crisis in relations with Islamabad. Senior U.S. officials tell NBC News they have no additional details regarding the US/NATO airstrikes. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.

The operation in a Pakistani garrison town outraged Pakistani officials because they were not told about it beforehand. It also humiliated the military because they were not able to stop it.

Mansoor Ijaz, an American businessman of Pakistani origin, has accused Haqqani of crafting the memo with Zardari's support — allegations both Haqqani and the president have denied.

Tensions between Pakistan's civilian government and military have bedeviled the nuclear-armed South Asian country for almost its entire existence, with the military ruling the country for more than half of its 64-year history after a series of coups.

Relations with the United States have been rocked by a year of bust-ups despite some $20 billion in security and economic aid to Pakistan since 2001, much of it in the form of reimbursements for assistance in fighting militants.

NATO strike on two Pakistani border posts that killed 24 soldiers on Nov. 26 also infuriated the country's powerful military, which  has a tense relationship with Zardari.

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I guess he buys his cap's at Tiffany's he looks like a hoot!!!! Good riddence. Need to bomb Pakistan into the stone age. On second thoughts they are still in the stone age!!! Who cares.

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#1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:14 AM EST

We will have to wait and see how this plays out . But it does look like he took the money and ran . Got out very rich and in one piece . Smart move on his part if that be the case .

bob

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#1.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:46 AM EST

The big question is who is in charge of the nukes, whom there has the football, so to speak?

Although they have nuclear capabilities, their ways of living are still archaeic. But I would not say stone age, except for the nomads,this would include the Taliban.

Wat a @!$%#rry!! lol

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#1.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:26 AM EST

The more I hear of the constant turmoil, instability and hatred in the Muslim ruled countries, the more I realize how foolish it would be for the west to allow them to have ANY capability for weapons of mass destruction. The most we can hope for is their containment.

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#1.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:52 AM EST

let the military take over the country and clear up any ambiguity. That way we can put the enemy squarely in our sites.

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#1.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:52 AM EST

I think first you need to hit something on your head so that you understand the situation.

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#1.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:06 AM EST

brian

It doesn't matter who takes over at this point . First we must determine who is on who'sside . Who is the Taliban working with or for ??? Are they working for the army or the government ??? Pakistan plays both ends against the middle . It would not surprise me to learn the Talibad playes for both sides when the money is big enought .

bob

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#1.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:19 AM EST

I'm sure glad that "Foreign Policy" decisions aren't made by some posters on here! ..lol

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#1.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:23 AM EST

This is a bad development. It's the undisclosed elements of Pakistan that concern me. Al Zardari has been fairly ineffective and is only there because his wife was assassinated. The covert portion of ISI is powerful and Islamist. If they take over the Nukes, watch out New Delhi. And then US troops in Afghanistan are at risk.

The Arab Spring has only proven to bring Islamists to power. This will be no different.

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#1.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:02 AM EST

I trust you mean bomb them FORWARD into the Stone Age... Nuttin' like a little medieval nihilistic death cult barbarism to advance a society.

If it weren't for Western technology (and mistakes!), these perpetually outraged savages would still be happily butchering one another with their "Holy Swords of Allah" on horseback.

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#1.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:43 AM EST

I've got a good IDEA! Let's send them more money! NOT! What we need to do is pull back our forces and our hard earned MONEY and let those countries do as they wish in their part of the world, and protect what's ours if they come to destroy it. Otherwise, we have no reason to be there. I know there are those out there that would disagree but that's what makes the world go round.

Thank You

Danny Hinkle

Elect The Dude for President!

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#1.10 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:01 AM EST

You need to educate yourself. Few counties are playing games and some one are getting benefit.

    #1.11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:10 AM EST

    Yes, they must live in the stone age if a person has to leave the country to get their heart checked out.
    The world needs to get their nukes before they sell them to Iran.

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    #1.12 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:14 AM EST

    FtBrgtrnd: yep you are on the right track; the only stabilizing force in all the mid-east country's is the Military; the radical Islamic groups do not want anything to do with the western powers, except bring them down; Pakistani has developed a sizable nuclear weapon stockpile, it also has missiles to deliver them over a 1800 mile area, without Pakistan we cannot continue our war in Afghanistan (could be the best thing); our middle east policy's are in total shambles have kicked over the out-house, and know have no idea what to do withe the sh..t we have caused.

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    #1.13 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:39 AM EST

    Big question

    Why is he going to Dubai for health care? A lot like Robert Mugabe (of Zimbabwe) going to China for health care. What about the normal people with health issues, where do they go to?

    Pak is a failed state. Western powers have been propping them up for years, same as Zimbabwe, Somalia, etc. I think that the West (whom these guys hate) should pull out of these countries completely. In a couple of years, most of these people will be dead from starvation, and begging for Western help. Given the current financial crises in the West, these guys will be better off helping their own people, Aid be damned.

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    #1.14 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:41 AM EST

    So we bomb Pakistan into the stone age and the rest of the world just sits by and watches? Get real. Way to start World War III. Next idea?

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    #1.15 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:59 AM EST

    bob1/28

    It doesn't matter who takes over at this point . First we must determine who is on who'sside . Who is the Taliban working with or for ??? Are they working for the army or the government ??? Pakistan plays both ends against the middle . It would not surprise me to learn the Talibad playes for both sides when the money is big enought .

    Would be like trying to determine who's side WE'RE on... they are, as we are, split in their alliances... with the U.S. on one side and their support for the Taliban on the other. We want absolutes that can't happen. We will play the middle for many years... this is not a nuke 'em or friend 'em choice.

    But I agree, that damn money seems to drive everything everywhere nowadays...

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    #1.16 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST

    Pat, Most people of wealth will be heading to Dubai for health care because The Cleveland Clinic has taken Western medicine there in the form of a huge medical center with Western clinicians.

      #1.17 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:01 PM EST

      You got that right, Moonbeam...! Or that any of the posters are the President. lol People are constantly kvetching about opposition to the "Afghan" war and the "Iraq" war, and our lending support to NATO in Syria, and other involvements and even aid to other countries, but yet they are SO trigger happy and want to shoot up Iran, they want to shoot up Pakistan, some even want to shoot up Israel, for cryin' out loud--anybody who ticks them off!! They apparently think they are all going to lie down & take it in the ..... And when we run out of adults and teenagers to fight all the wars they seem to want to start, who do we send next? Since no one else will lend us their soldiers for such blatant stupidity, I guess we'd have to send our grannies and 10-year old kids. And when those are all gone, I guess we'll have to tap the zoos for the monkeys--or maybe the Senate and House of Representatives and all the lobbyists. It's time THEY learned how to fight the wars they start anyhow.

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      #1.18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST

      I hope someone other than the Taliban has eyes on the nukes anyway....

        #1.19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM EST

        Neither Russia nor China have been very happy with our presence in Afghanistan. They see our current disagreements with Pakistanis as game changers and would be very happy to see us leave and lesson our influence in the region. Seems like many posters on this board are on the same side as the Russians and the Chinese; they don't want us to have any influence in the area - let's just kill everyone and be even more disliked.

          #1.20 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:00 PM EST

          Why is it the first posters comments on these MSM sites are so idiotic? Sir, you are a MORON.

          Thank God you have no say in any thing important...

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          #1.21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:33 PM EST

          This is what happens to a democracy when the military gets too powerful and religion controls government policy. This is exactly the kind of government the right wing in America is desperately trying to force upon the American people.

            #1.22 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:16 PM EST

            I'm sure glad that "Foreign Policy" decisions aren't made by some posters on here! ..lol

            IDK moonbeamracer, I can just picture John McCain getting on here under the alias "Maverick2008" and start talking about how we need to blast Iran and Pakistan back to the stone age... kinda like half of the other posters on here...

              #1.23 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:13 PM EST
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              So, when the military takes over, we'll be funding them directly?

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              Reply#2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:19 AM EST

              Maybe the peace loving Muslim Brotherhood could take over and we can start funding them.

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              #2.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:21 AM EST
              Reply

              No, Pakistan IS NOT in the stone age. They are developed and have nukes.

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              Reply#3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:21 AM EST

              They are in the stone age! They just have nukes too.

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              #3.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:54 AM EST

              Bingo!

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              #3.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:27 AM EST

              Yes they are in the stone age and they're backstabbing PAKRAT'S!

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              #3.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:31 AM EST

              Nuclear Stones!

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              #3.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:17 AM EST

              They can't feed their people, but they've got nukes. Glad they've got their priorities right!

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              #3.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:13 AM EST

              Dave, it would appear as if the Pakistani Government is not the only government with the wrong priorities.

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              #3.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:35 AM EST

              Yes, it would appear that we have our priorities wrong if we are giving aid to Pakistan to subsidize their nukes.

                #3.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:03 PM EST

                Every country in the ME in on our dole - Israel being the biggest charity - we need to stop wasting money on those countries that can't get along with each other and spend it here on our own hungry and homeless children. As for Iran getting nuclear power - they don't have a choice - if they don't have it they will be attacked sooner or later and bombed and their oil fields taken over. They know that - this is why we walk so carefully around North Korea - they are nuclear.

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                #3.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:12 PM EST

                They are not the stone age people you think they are. They just have a poor district much like every country which the people in these comments make the targets of their racial abuse.

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                #3.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST
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                I've got a feeling Pakistan and the US will go to war soon. The US needs to be careful because Pakistan is NUCLEAR and can unleash their payload on the US. The US needs to act fast against both Pakistan and Iran. Don't forget these two countries also have another nuclear power - China, as an ally in the region. However, the US also has a nuclear power ally - India, in the region so things are finely balanced. I think India could take out Pakistan and Iran and the US could take out China.

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                #4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:29 AM EST

                Pakistan's our "ally" too. They're on the USA foreign welfare dole.

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                #4.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:43 AM EST

                its people that think like this, that get our country into trouble. not everything is about who has nukes and who doesn't... its absolutely ridiculous and a 2 yr old mindset... honestly this world has a LOT of growing up to do.

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                #4.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:20 AM EST
                Comment author avatarKornfedExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                Pakistan's our "ally" too. They're on the USA foreign welfare dole.

                ...and they hate the US, just like our own libs!

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                #4.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:25 AM EST

                I think we need to stop talking about bombing or nuking the f---k out of one another all together.

                It is a mindless no win situation for everyone.

                Talk about trying to make peace or disarming some of these F----king nukes for a change.

                Anyone who makes a comment that says lets just nuke the f---ks or turn them into a land of sand glass to bombing any country back into the stone age needs to see a thermal nuclear explosion up close say about 20 miles away just to get an real good feel for one.

                Then I bet you would never wish any of these countries to ever unleash such a weapon of mass destruction and death.

                JMPO I don't ever want to live to see a nuclear war plain and simple it is complete madness to even ponder the idea as an option for war.

                And yes I like to use the word F---k as you may have noticed.

                Have a nice day.

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                #4.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:04 AM EST

                Interesting how Zardari warrants a personal immediate call from Obama?

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                #4.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:23 AM EST

                Kornfed,

                You make idiots look smart. Why don't you take your hate speak else where?

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                #4.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:28 AM EST

                Mikeo76, maybe you need to find another chat. Fact is some people may just agree with Kornfed.

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                #4.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:57 AM EST

                @Mark Lavalier -

                Just because some people might agree with Kornfed's post doesn't make him, or you, correct. I'm one of those evil libs and I don't hate my country, nor do any of the others I know. I just think we're on the wrong track. Sweeping generalizations never helped anyone. Grow up.

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                #4.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:14 AM EST

                I'm not disputing your statement, but I think what you are describing is World War III and an extensive nuclear exchange. You did leave out Russia. I don't think the Russians will sit idly by while the U.S, China, Pakistan, India, and Iran exchange nukes just south of their border. I think it would be prudent to assure sufficient diplomacy in that region so that any one country with nuclear capabilities understands that it will stand alone in any military initiative. Lets hope cooler heads prevail.

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                #4.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:15 AM EST

                Pakistan couldn't "unleash" their nukes on themselves. They'd be lucky if they could actually deliver a warhead to Afghanistan from there. Or, lucky that if they ever actually arm a warhead that they don't blow themselves off the map with it.

                Having nukes is far from the same thing as being able to use them strategically or tactically.

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                #4.10 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:19 AM EST

                I don't think Pakistan has the capability of delivering a nuke to the United States. If we went to war Israel would need to worry about getting hit by their nukes.

                I do however see WWIII brewing. The only part I worry about is who's side is China and Russia on.

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                #4.11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:42 AM EST

                I'm so glad that most of you aren't a part of our government. First off, we are spinning our wheels in this part of the world. All they know is fighting and that's all they've done for 2,000 years. To make a comment about India taking on Iran and Pakistan and the US against China is so stupid. In the event you didn't just wake up, China's military dwarfs ours and their equipment isn't far behind our capabilities. If anything, the US should try to get China and Russia more involved with trying to stabilize this region, so we can leave. It's in their back yard, not ours.

                Pakistan showed their true colors in harboring Bin Laden. They're only ticked because they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. You can't tell me they didn't know he was there, and that the problems in Afghanistan are being caused by those crossing into Afghanistan, reeking havoc and running back across the border for protection. If they really were concerned about our interests and those of it's neighbor, they would helping to eliminate this problem and conduct coordinated operations.

                We will never be able to make a change if this is allowed to continue and if the military takes control, that's exactly what will occur. Let's just get our troops out of there safe, and let them sort it out between themselves.

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                #4.12 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:52 AM EST

                Bobby, exactly. Unless they book passage for the nuclear warhead on a jet airliner they don't have any way to deliver a nuke to the USA, and somehow I doubt a nuke will make it through customs.

                Anyway all the talk of nukes is silly, India is the one who has to worry the most about that.

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                #4.13 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:54 AM EST

                Good morning, let's play global thermonuclear war. Wouldn't that be fun?!?!?

                  #4.14 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST

                  Unleash the payload with what delivery mechanism?

                  They don't have the ability to project power.

                    #4.15 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:56 AM EST

                    China does not have a military that dwarfs ours. We spend more money on the military than any other country. Look it up...WAY more. I do agree with the idea of leaving the region and finally getting some peace for our soldiers. We need to fix our country, and quit being the worlds policeman.

                    That is a start...Then we need to vote out all the current political hacks. We need a government that does not spread fear to sell bills like Senate bill 1867. We need a government By the people and FOR the people...Like the founders of this country intended.

                    Of course...What the hell do I know...I am just one of those dreamers who remembers a time when we all had jobs that would give you a living wage based on a skill...Followed by a pension that meant you could rest when you got older. Our slogan was the home of the brave...Now? I guess we should just raise the damn Chinese flag...They already make ours over there.

                    Peace...It is the opposite of war.

                      #4.16 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:08 AM EST

                      Wagonmaster-3487481

                      Good morning, let's play global thermonuclear war. Wouldn't that be fun?!?!?

                      OMG That's too damn funny!!! But seriously, nuclear war only ensures complete global destruction. Getting China and Russia to baby-sit these baboons might not be a bad idea. Let THEM spoon feed these backstabbers all their cash instead.

                        #4.17 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST

                        Freeman, I did a lot of research on the effects of a nuclear holocaust when we were nose deep in the Cold War. And that was in high school--yes, and I know that certainly dates me. Since then, after immersing myself in that kind of information, I decided that NO ONE no place on earth should ever have their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and great-great grandchildren subjected to the results of a nuclear war, no matter how much hate there is ANYWHERE. For one thing, death is so horrible and would be so massive, if not completely annihilating, from the fallout itself, there probably wouldn't BE any grandchildren, great-grandchildren, or great-great-grandchildren at all for ANYONE, and certainly there wouldn't be anyone left to bury the dead. And if by some miracle a half-dozen or so survive, what in God's name would they find to eat or drink that wasn't radioactive? The two bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, don't forget, were "babies" by today's standards. Would anyone really want to wish THAT on any nation or people? I would not! Don't give a damn if they hate us or not. Have to find another way. The only way to win that kind of war game is not to play. Even if we "won," the winning would cost us and every other uninvolved nation more than we would ever want to pay.

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                        #4.18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:50 PM EST

                        Wagonmaster, fire up the W.O.P.R.!

                          #4.19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:28 PM EST
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                          I wonder if this will blow up in our face.

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                          Reply#5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:40 AM EST

                          cullerco .........No, Pakistan IS NOT in the stone age.

                          They were in the stone age last time I was there.

                          Half the country is like our Taliban, crazier than a rabid dog while the other half is quite normal.

                          However nukes aside because it doesn’t represent their civilizations real achievements, they are back in the turn of the last century, early 1900s.

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                          Reply#6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:41 AM EST

                          There's an island or coastal community of old hippies - can't remember what the place was called. Goi? That's about the only thing worth saving in Pakistan.

                            #6.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:31 AM EST

                            Miker,

                            How about bombing them with LSD? Might wake their asses up.

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                            #6.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:03 AM EST

                            I think we tried that. . .

                              #6.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:39 PM EST

                              Miker .. thats Goa and its in India. There's nothing worth saving in Pakistan.

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                              #6.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:31 PM EST

                              alsophia theophilos

                              Miker,

                              How about bombing them with LSD? Might wake their asses up.

                              They openly pound large pedestals of weed into hash in the streets as its one of their favorite drugs, so LSD will only boost their high.

                                #6.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:42 PM EST

                                @logical: That's it! Thanks. And, you're right then. Nothing worth saving in Pakistan. I did have a friend in Saudi who visited some place in Pakiland, but I gave it a miss. I did have an excellent houseboy from Pakistan while I lived overseas but I tend to believe he was an exceptional example of his people.

                                Goa. . . Might have to hit that place.

                                  #6.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:39 PM EST

                                  Miker-3057253

                                  There's an island or coastal community of old hippies - can't remember what the place was called. Goi? That's about the only thing worth saving in Pakistan.

                                  Goa is in India, and full of hype.

                                  Best place to send a tourist, saves the better places for those who appreciate no tourism or non commercialism.

                                    #6.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:05 PM EST

                                    I'm open to other recommendations!

                                      #6.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:27 PM EST

                                      Miker-3057253

                                      I'm open to other recommendations!

                                      Most places now have become a tourist trap.

                                      [I enjoyed them before the world population was 7 billion]

                                      Northern Australia is still empty. [Equal to a empty Hawaii]

                                      [Total population of Au. is still lower than half of California]

                                      GB Reef, Cairns, the whole Queensland coast.

                                      If you want adventure [chit hitting the fan] try Sri Lanka

                                        #6.9 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:41 AM EST
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                                        Pakistan knows better on using a Nuclear weapon. It's a no brainer that we know the exact location of their Nuclear weapon. If just a whisper of using it, us and Nato will destroy it from the air. This is not the country they want to mess with to that extreme. So relax, things will work out without a war with Pakistan. Talks will be made and everything will work out.

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                                        Reply#7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:01 AM EST

                                        I don't know who is more insane, the ruling elite of Pakistan, or the people who have posted on this article. Nuke this, and nuke that, no problem. Wow.

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                                        Reply#8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:27 AM EST

                                        Agreed Michael. And check out this line from above:

                                        "The story quickly spread on Twitter and it was picked up by Pakistan's ratings-hungry television channels."

                                        Glad our media whores don't think like that.

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                                        #8.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:55 AM EST

                                        The Pakistanis are obviously more sane. I think some of these fools would have pushed the red button a long time ago.

                                          #8.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST

                                          rwalker-2504195

                                          The Pakistanis are obviously more sane. I think some of these fools would have pushed the red button a long time ago.

                                          That 'sanity' ends with India. And they are not fools as the US and you will eventually surmise. That 'Red Button' would be pushed only if India becomes seriously belligerent.

                                          All others are viewed as 'Non-Persons'. A nuisance to be dealt with through diplomacy, coordination, cooperation, alliance and friendship - With Total Cool, no emotions involved.

                                          The United States is working hard to generate the same visceral hate that only India has been able to achieve so far against a mild, accommodating, warm, forgiving and friendly people of Pakistan.

                                            #8.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:26 PM EST

                                            These fools - I was refering to our hard right friends here on newsvine.

                                              #8.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:01 PM EST
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                                              10 completely off the wall comments, so far. This may truly be a "silent coup". It pains me to say it, but the only sympathetic entity (to the US), was/is the powerless civilian government. I believe, that powers within the ISI have taken over. The Pakistani military being, disgraced, compromised, and very butt-hurt have decided to go it alone. Without even the pretense of a democracy.

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                                              Reply#9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:35 AM EST

                                              Guess we'll find out soon.

                                                #9.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:55 AM EST

                                                Rodentrack you have nailed it right on the money. I wonder why other posters here are unable to see this.

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                                                #9.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST

                                                I would suggest the possibility that Israel made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

                                                  #9.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST
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                                                  i just thought of a great halftime show for the super bowl.

                                                    Reply#10 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:37 AM EST

                                                    The dancing "disgraced, compromised, and very butt-hurt" Pakistani Military?

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                                                    #10.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:40 AM EST

                                                    Britney could write a nice song for them to dance to.

                                                      #10.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:30 AM EST

                                                      No insults to Pakistanis here. NOT. Nothing like sticking it in, right folks????? Let's leave no vestige of dignity for anyone while we're at it. Ugly Americans---let's all unite and bare our ugly faces to our tentative allies. Bah!!!

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                                                      #10.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:57 PM EST

                                                      Tess84:

                                                      ...No insults None at all. Just making friends and influencing people the American way: Ridicule, abuse, underestimation, bullying, braggadocio and threats - The Idiots way!

                                                      Then wondering why 'They' hate us!

                                                        #10.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:36 PM EST
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                                                        Heard he and Cheney were comparing scars in a secret underground location.

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                                                        Reply#11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:48 AM EST

                                                        so we get out of Iraq, we are getting out of Afghanistan, we are getting into Pakistan, and we will get into Iran. I think this is called "USA FALL" not ARAB SPRING.

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                                                        Reply#12 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:14 AM EST

                                                        "FALL" as in 'Down' not as in 'Season'.

                                                          #12.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:46 PM EST
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                                                          If the military take over we will have a bad situation get worse..

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                                                          Reply#13 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:15 AM EST

                                                          the military already is in control and has always been in control. The ISI runs the military which in turn runs that country we need to get the F out and let them kill each other. Support and back India and let China be the arbitrators we don't belong their have no impact there and the only result is going to be more US troops hurt or killed time to leave.

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                                                          #13.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:36 PM EST
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                                                          I know this news is no news so let's begin some very frank discussions with them--I mean the Pakistani Generals, very frank, I mean very, very frank, as in we're not @!$%#ing around with you and if you want to do anything, we and all other civilized nations will respond, FULLY RESPOND, with all necessary force. I've always thought of Pakistan as a great people and our complete ally for a civilized world. Imagine if some terrorists attacked and killed over 3,000 and cost them (the Pakistanis) billions and billions of dollars in wars. Do you really want us to expand our involvement? Keep it up, we will respond. Get nasty, we and all our allies will get much nastier.

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                                                          Reply#14 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:17 AM EST
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                                                          When does our gov start to worry about what's happening here rather than what's happening

                                                          in allll of these muslim countries.. So far we haven't accomplished either..

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                                                          Reply#15 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:22 AM EST

                                                          Because our government is more concerned with getting re-elected than anything else

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                                                          #15.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:50 PM EST
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                                                          A "Quiet" overthrow is ALWAYS indicated where the loss of USA tax dollars could result from a violent one. Why should Pakistan be any different?

                                                            Reply#16 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:26 AM EST

                                                            My question for the Pakistani military is this. How could you harbor the world's most infamous terrorist, public enemy No. 1 to the US and complain whatsoever about anything. How could you allow these openly defiant terrorists to occupy YOUR lands and disrupt the entire world. How? Why? Do you want this confrontation?

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                                                            Reply#17 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:28 AM EST

                                                            We have all had bad words and actions with a friend. Pakistan and the Pakistani people are our friends. They are part of the civilized world. I am hopeful that the US Generals and our diplomats will work everything out with the Pakistani Generals. I have personal relations with Pakistani friends. You know how much we love and respect you and are hopeful that you will continue to be on the side of your greatness and all civilized people.

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                                                            Reply#18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:37 AM EST

                                                            Mike, the people may be friends, but governments have business associations. Money trumps friendships hands down.

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                                                            #18.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:01 AM EST

                                                            Yeah, the people are our friends, that danced in the streets on 9-11.

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                                                            #18.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:21 AM EST

                                                            "We have all had bad words and actions with a friend. Pakistan and the Pakistani people are our friends."

                                                            No they're not.

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                                                            #18.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:00 AM EST

                                                            They demonstrate that every day. Usually by having government sanctioned "demonstrations". They should rot in hell, and since they're such a "nation" of duplicitous turds, they deserve whatever catastrophes come their way. If they try to get seriously out of line, and start making idle nuclear threats, I think that will be the end of them, and India will finish them off for good. They will not be missed. The cheap garment manufacturing will move production to Southeast Asia, the Philippines, whatever.

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                                                            #18.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:36 AM EST

                                                            Mike if the everyday Pakistani meant anything to their government or their military I could agree with you but they don't. Their mission is power and Islam no more no less. Let the every day pakistani start to rise up against the powers that be and maybe we will find someone to support but until them lets just get out while we can.

                                                              #18.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:41 PM EST

                                                              Rodentrack

                                                              Yeah, the people are our friends, that danced in the streets on 9-11.

                                                              False and untrue statement. In Pakistan they shed tears, were shocked and stunned, had candle light vigils at US Embassies and Consulates, they condoled with Americans they knew, sometimes by overseas phone calls...And they prayed in mosques for people they thought of as friends: The people of the USA - the country they loved and admired most.

                                                              Some people in Israel occupied Palestine whose families and homes, kith & kin had been killed and maimed, their lives destroyed by US munitions, did dance in the streets and were video taped by the ZioNazi's. These tapes were then given to US TV stations.

                                                              These people dancing in the streets were not many but they were repeatedly shown again and again on every TV station in the US, day and night, by ZioNaziFascist controlled media till that image sunk into the American psyche.

                                                              Pakistan has sacrificed more lives and treasure in fighting America's fight - very many times more than America itself - so that ungrateful people like you could reward them with cruel comments, yet ungraciously sleep peacefully and safely at night...

                                                              PAKISTAN HAS LOST more than 41,000 citizens, 35,000Military personal, including senior officers and even generals...in fighting this America's fight.

                                                              Changes are in the offing, American braggadocio and bluff is going to be called - Wait!

                                                                #18.6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:32 AM EST
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                                                                At best, the Pakistani government is trying to have it both ways. They want the legitimacy and the US dollars, so they swear they're a true ally in the War on Terror. On the other hand, much of their public sees bin Ladin as a hero, so the government officials don't want to be seen as appeasing the U.S and look the other way when terror grows in their own back yard. Thus, they can take the money, while still providing little more than the veneer of anti-terrorism. I don't know where the quote came from, but I'm thinking. "If you play both sides of the street, you'll eventually get run over from both directions."

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                                                                Reply#19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:59 AM EST

                                                                Michael L.....please don't forget to blame the US government for continually getting into these partnerships, a horrible foreign policy that has continually backfired.

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                                                                #19.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:04 AM EST

                                                                If Pakistan ts so developed why is he going to Dubai and England for health concerns?? No Doctors????

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                                                                #19.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:02 AM EST

                                                                No doctors anyone with a brain would let actually touch them. There are no standards of sanitation, so if you survive any surgery, you'll probably die from infection.

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                                                                #19.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:38 AM EST
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                                                                I that a doily, on Zardari's head?

                                                                  Reply#20 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:05 AM EST

                                                                  What ????

                                                                    #20.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:45 AM EST

                                                                    I thought it was a bandage at first.

                                                                      #20.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST
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                                                                      20 billion could have gotten a better looking hat or cap or is that a doily

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                                                                      Reply#21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:12 AM EST

                                                                      I think the hat is a copy of the glorified aluminum foil that they used in the movie SIGNS. He can either talk to ALIENS or it helps protect him from them........

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                                                                      #21.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:55 PM EST

                                                                      it's a maxi pad

                                                                        #21.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:20 PM EST
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                                                                        Mike-745539

                                                                        You are spot on. Agreed 100%.

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                                                                        Reply#22 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:13 AM EST

                                                                        Scott Rivers,you are a nut case.It sounds like you want to blow up the world.Use your brain before you use your mouth.Also I was a nurse for 20 yrs and as far as I know chest pain does not mean heart attack..For all we know he could have gas.

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                                                                        Reply#23 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:20 AM EST

                                                                        Given what passes for food there, gas is a pretty high likelihood.

                                                                          #23.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:39 AM EST
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                                                                          I find it ironic that he traveled to Dubai and went to the American hospital for treatment.

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                                                                          Reply#24 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:34 AM EST

                                                                          His HMO requires that Hospital.

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                                                                          #24.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:47 AM EST

                                                                          I find it ironic that he traveled to Dubai and went to the American hospital for treatment.

                                                                          I guess he hasn't been listening to all the Liberal Loons who claim OUR system is so bad! I bet he pays full bore for his treatment over there, unlike the ILLEGAL ALIENS who overwhelm OUR system and drive up the costs for paying customers. "Ain't no free lunch!"

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                                                                          #24.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:19 AM EST

                                                                          It will be an American owned hospital that would be full of their doctors who attended American Universities.

                                                                            #24.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:08 PM EST

                                                                            He is America's puppet, had to go there. Did not trust the Pak army docs who said he was 'fine'!

                                                                              #24.4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:40 AM EST
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                                                                              Look, if there is anything i learned from Star Trek is that you must never violate the Prime Directive. We've allowed our technology to be stolen by these stone age tribesmen in Paki-stan. We must not allow this to stand. I say do whatever you have to do to remove those nukes (bomb the nukes to oblivion without setting them off - this capability exists). Must restore the natural order of the planet. Now that can be appreciated as truly green thought.

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                                                                              Reply#25 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:41 AM EST

                                                                              There is something seriously wrong with the American educational system when we are encouraged to take our philosophical direction from Pokemon and Star Trek.

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                                                                              #25.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:29 AM EST

                                                                              Actually, the fact that we take our philosophical direction from the current crop of politicians is more indicative of educational system problems than anything else.

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                                                                              #25.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:42 AM EST

                                                                              As a former superb public school teacher, I have witnessed the poor quality of more than half the teachers, the egos of most incompetent administrators, and the concern of the teacher's union to take care of the union - above the concern for their membership. Public education really does suck, and it's not going to get any better. Most all of the paid participants in the process just take the money and go through the motions, while voicing "concern".

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                                                                              #25.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:33 AM EST

                                                                              Aint that the truth. I think that is the truth. I actually think that the some of teachers don't understand the subjects they teach.

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                                                                              #25.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:57 AM EST

                                                                              barf master

                                                                                #25.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:02 PM EST

                                                                                A war with Pakistan will result in large casualties on both sides. Pakistan has a pretty well equipped armed forces and over a million strong including reserves, with a Navy and Air-force and can still cause a lot of damage without the use of nuclear weapons. Only a foolish American government would go to war, you already complain about the loss of lives to the war on terror, well that number would multiply many times with a war against Pakistan & further hurt the economy, lose allies and create even more distrust towards America.

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                                                                                #25.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:21 PM EST

                                                                                VeniVidiVici:

                                                                                A sane observation for a change...all is not lost on this vine after all.

                                                                                  #25.7 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:46 AM EST
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