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A Dutch newspaper triggered the controversy with this image and article about the project design on Thursday.
A Dutch architectural firm says its design for a South Korean housing complex is simply meant to convey the feeling of being in the clouds, but others see something they'd rather not remember: the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2011.
"A real media storm has started and we receive threatening emails and calls of angry people calling us Al Qaeda lovers or worse," the firm, MVRDV, posted on its Facebook page on Friday after a Dutch newspaper, the Algemeen Dagblad, published a front-page architectural rendition of the project and the headline: "Inspired by Twin Towers?"
"MVRDV regrets deeply any connotations The Cloud project evokes regarding 9/11, it was not our intention," MVRDV added. "The Cloud was designed based on parameters such as sunlight, outside spaces, living quality for inhabitants and the city. It is one of many projects in which MVRDV experiments with a raised city level to reinvent the often solitary typology of the skyscraper.
The cloud structure is used to connect the two towers with corridors that also serve as meeting places. The complex is set to open in Seoul in 2015.

MVRDV
MVRDV says this image best reflects the cloud inspiration for its Cloud project.
The towers are part of a bigger project, called the Yongsan Dream Hub, whose designer is Daniel Libeskind -- the master plan architect for reconstruction at New York's Ground Zero.
"It was not our intention to create an image resembling the attacks nor did we see the resemblance during the design process," the firm stated. "We sincerely apologize to anyone whose feelings we have hurt, the design was not meant to provoke this."
The firm said a better visualization of the project is an image, seen here at left, showing a more abstract feel.
A retired New York Fire Department deputy chief whose son was killed on 9/11 said he didn’t believe the architects.
"I think it’s a total lie and they have no respect for the people who died that day," Jim Riches told the New York Daily News. "They’re crossing a line.

MVRDV
MVRDV on Wednesday posted this view of The Cloud project on its Facebook page.
"I think they’re trying to sensationalize it. It’s a cheap way to get publicity."
On MVRDV's Facebook page, some people rallied to its defense.
"9/11 was horrible and an atrocity, we all agree," said one person. "However, this does not mean that nobody can build two similar rectangle shaped buildings (I hear those are quite the fad in architecture) anymore."
And MVRDV elaborated on its earlier apology with a post after several dozen comments were made on its Facebook page.
"Dear all, honestly we did not see the connection in 3 months of design process ... We take these feelings quite serious but we never intended to design a project looking like an exploding building, why on earth would we? This is quite shocking in this discussion that people think we might have done this on purpose. No!"


They forgot to draw the blast squibs shooting out of the building in all directions. Compressed air my A$$!!!
There were no "squibs".
What in the hell kind of conspiracy story are you still holding onto?
Have you any idea of what air will do when compressed at an even rate like happened in the towers?
They fell almost straight down.
The air took the path of least resistance.
MUCH to the pleasure of people who don't know physics, but know how to hold onto a bullsh!t story.
It's all about the publicity. Look how everyone is talking about this Dutch architecture firm.
The Dutch can be such twits.
Or is it that people are just grasping for a reason to be angry? What next? If you like broccoli you are a terrorist suspect because broccoli looks like a tower mid way through a vertical collapse? I'm convinced that the less understanding of context you have the more angry you are.
Why is it that everyone so suddenly forgets that Although the four buildings next to the twin towers we're ALMOST destroyed, (all four of them still stood at least 30 feet) that building 7, about 3 blocks away somehow is COMPLETELY DESTROYED? By the very same DEBRIS that failed to destroy the FOUR BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE TWIN TOWERS?
Pull it!
Steve -- The Dutch may be twits in your opinion, but where can you find houses that rise up and down with the tide, floating office buildings, a system of dikes and levees that guards must of their below-sea-level land from being inundated. Had we applied some Dutch know-how and ingenuity in a timely fashion, the Katrina disaster would not have happened; matter of fact, it's my understanding they offered their expertise after the disaster and the govt turned them down. These twits also benefit from the legalization of pot in the form of millions in taxes. I seriously doubt that the intention of their towers was to create an unpleasant reminder of the 9/11 disaster. Twits though they are, I cannot imagine them being that insensitive.
truthers are right up there with birthers..
I wonder how this design got through the permitting process as it truly is a reflection of the WTC 9-11 tragedy!
And where are the libbies blaming Bush for this?
Actually from the picture that shows the close-up of the middle it looks really cool. From the ground I can see how it looks like the twin towers. However, I think they should keep it as is. If I had the $ I'd love to have one of those spaces. It beats those boring buildings architects build these days.
Kelly, We would like to blame Bush, but he went into hiding again like he did the first time...typical retardicant coward!
You know, it's not always about US, no matter what you might think.
@memphis
The "libbies" start posting right after the right wing nutters suggest that Obama was to blame.
Theres always one, there fun to laugh at though.
I saw the twin towers in this design as well, but I'm American, I have that image ingrained in my head of that day. You can't expect everyone around the world to see the same things we see in America. Sheesh that's why the rest of the world thinks we're so arrogant, we expect the rest of the world to see everything the same way as we do.
For those who expect them to trash the design give me a break, they can do whatever they want with the building. It is going up in Korea and designed by the Dutch. Please can we stop telling other people how to live their lives for once??
I'm not sure this would even be a story if msnbc didn't see the similarity with 9/11. Sure it is a very interesting concept, but it is not a story without the connection (twin towers, 'clouds' near the plane impact points....). We've seen many other new architectural buildings that are more interesting than this one, but get little press.... why this one then? Kelly has a point!
Kevin, A steel beam like those in the WTC are not able to be cut without a HUGE amount of explosives. HUGE like 55 gallon drums full. Buildings that are brought down by implosion are brought down by drilling holes in steel re-bar reinforced concrete columns and using explosives to fracture the concrete and cut the relative light re-bar. It would have taken semi trucks full of explosives to bring down those buildings and week of prep.
Memphis Kelly - Said:
I wonder how this design got through the permitting process as it truly is a reflection of the WTC 9-11 tragedy!
And where are the libbies blaming Bush for this?
First of all, this is a DUTCH architecture firm.. which means, its based in a country called.. The Netherlands perhaps?? Second, it is NOT a reflection of TWC 9-11 tradegy. It may LOOK similar, but its not.. Do you ever look up at the clouds and say "That looks like Pluto".
Lastly, I was just asking myself.. where are the conservative's blaming obama.
Get a grip, it's a building
I don't think so.
What an idiotic story.
How petty have we become? We're paranoid that an architecture firm is knocking off the Twin Towers. Dip ship, Bush was part of a "Freedom Fries" campaign because France wouldn't commit troops for a fake war--one that took 4400+ US Service members lives, along with 66,000 Iraqi civilian's lives. It cost $2T and the endless costs of caring for our Veterans, as we should.
Stop wrapping yourself in a flag and calling yourself a Patriot.
NWOwatchdog........You rock!!! Love and Peace
While it is quite possible that the architectural firm did not see the connection to the 9/11 tragedy, my first thought when I saw the artist rendition yesterday was that more buildings had been destroyed somewhere in the world. I had not read the headlines and had no reason to interpret the picture that way other than the fact that it's exactly what it looks like. I had to look more closely after reading the headline to see that the areas that extend past the towers are additions to the structure, not sections of the building that are exploding.
Those of you who think 9/11 was planned and orchestrated, get a life.
You 9/11 falsers (yeah truth my arse) are a riot. Bush & Cheney were behind it. LMAO. You people are in the same category as the flat earthers and the Apollo moon landing moonbats who say that was faked. Did you people forget that Islamic terrorists tried to blow up the WTC way back in 1993 with a truck bomb parked in a garage beneath it? Who the hell do you think did that, Bill Clinton and Al Gore?
I think it is WAY COOL!
Very cool design and out of the box thinking...
why don't we just do away with all sky scrapers so no one will have to think about 9/11.
Allow me to sum up what people think. "It offends me. Therefore, you must remove it. Because I don't care what you think. I only care about what I think."
NO! Broccoli doesn't look like a tree! It looks like a Nuclear Bomb Explosion! Outlaw Broccoli now!
My son totally supports this view.
I don't...
show an englishman a figure in a hood, and they will see a hangman. show the same figure to an american and they see a ku klux klan member. i'm sure if you asked someone from china they would see something different in the architecture.
Somebody better tell God to stop allowing clouds to roll by any skyscraper as it would remind me of the Twins. I can empathize with surviving family members as to their pain and that every day images being potential triggers for unwanted or painful memories. But really? After a tragedy and justice life will go on.
Yes, we do like to utilize the services of twitter. The dykes in Holland withstand at least one Katrina style storm per year. The twity engineers from Holland submitted a project to the US for a system of levies capable of withstanding a thousand year storm. The Engineering Corp. submitted one for a hundred year at three times the cost. Go figure. They forgot to twit that one.
Except that it was a DUTCH newspaper (as shown in the accompany photo) that first brought up the similarity. MSN merely picked up the story from the international wires. Not saying that MSN doesn't sometimes report stories in a way that exaggerates their importance - but in this case I'd have to give them a "not guilty".
As far as the building design - I think a lot of the "resemblance" has to do with the way the drawing was shown in the newspaper. If you look at the close up view, there is NO resemblance to the WTC buildings whatsoever.
Don't forget that New York used to be Dutch. Maybe the are still angry about losing New Amsterdam. I mean they paid the equivalent of a thousand dollars for all of Manhattan Island.
I love the design, am American, and feel that people are just too sensitive! I think it is just a shot at innovation and nothing more.
If we look hard enough, we can see reminders of that tragedy in just about everything. The mind is amazing. We can see "bunnies" in the clouds, or we can see "monsters", it's all a matter of perspective and what we have on our minds at the time.
Yes, 9/11 was terrible, regardless of our individual or collective theories on what actually transpired that day. I am reminded of Rorschach ink blots when asked what I see.... It is all up to ME and MY mind. I see a really cool building design. If I asked my 7 year old granddaughter what she saw, she would probably say the same thing, because her mind is not corrupted by awful images of 9/11. See with the eyes of a child and you will see... "buildings".
Please put things in perspective and stop looking for conspiracies and slurs in everything. I seriously doubt these Dutch designers are out to slap America in the face. It's just a different and rather unique design for some buildings. Nothing more, nothing less. Grow up America and stop bullying everyone into conforming to what appears to be our ideas of what is "politically correct". Why can't we mind our own business and let the rest of the world live their lives accordingly?
The rest of the world does'nt really give a f*ck about 911. So STFU. 911 was only important to Americans, didnt affect anybody else. The Americans have the butt ugly Martin Luther King Memorial, let the Dutch have their silly building.
I cant believe this country is offended by the most dumb ass @!$%#. we are all pissed of about everything nobody is happy with the same thing. no matter what not everyone agrees everything has an opnion. everyone is a critic. its a great idea i personally like the design to the building. will it offend people? hell the @!$%# yeah. it does look like it could offend people that wer hurt by losing there family members or friends that day then other people who it justs bothers. i was in 7th grade when that @!$%# went down i was scared as @!$%# I went to school in Bethesda, MD close to NIH. can you believe if the terrorists wouldve flown a plane into the nih building. besides it really bring backs terrible memories to a lot of people. BACK TO THE POINT the idea is fine its cool hopefully it gets done
well, actually it affected the other parts of the world that we invaded, forced foreigners to be fingerprinted even if they were merely on a stopover flight in the US (would most Americans stand for being fingerprinted for no reason in a foreign country?, no) and many other, all negative, effects
Watch this video it's interesting......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_u9Ni6jHfw&feature=youtu.be
These Dutch have been sticking their fingers into dikes for years. What's one more controversy?
A horrible design. I immediately was transported back to that awful day without even reading the headline...
Those where my first thoughts of the picture also. There should have been a lot more thought into how this would be perceived. If they had meant it to look like clouds they should have put more into it.
When I first looked at it, I thought it was a horrible design because it didn't look practical and a bit gaudy... Then as I read the article I thought, 'Oh damn! Yeah, it can be perceived as such.'
But since they are Korean designers, I can understand why they'd not have such a sensitive mind.
Despicable.
The designers were Dutch, not Korean.
Its in another country designed by someone from a different country than that. The events of 9/11 do not mean that the rest of the world is not allowed to design anything that remotely looks like the towers or them getting hit.
Stop being a bunch of over-entitled babies reading something malicious into everything. Its not even in the USA.
I agree, it seems really obvious. If they didn't realize it before, they do now. Trash the design. At least they haven't built it yet.
I thought the design looks pretty interesting. I mean, there will be apartments in the towers, but the middle will connect them and have gardens, trees, public meeting spaces and a kick ass(if slightly terrifying) views of the city below. And please bear in mind these are not Americans designing the buildings. I can cut slack for the architects who had no idea of what they were invoking. Im sure some foreign countries\citizens try to keep up with American news, but 9/11 was ten years ago. Its not at the forefront of their minds anymore. And though I feel for the people still trying to cope with their losses that day, I think the quote from that guy made him sound like a twit.
or perhaps this is from a dutch architect's design for a building in south korea.
its not like it was an arab architect building this at ground zero.
we will always be reminded of that terrible day one way or another through out our lives. Unless someone blatantly lampoons 9/11 there is no reason to get all upset every time we are reminded of it.
(personally i think his design was quite refreshing and a nice change of pace, but that's just my opinion. i could be wrong)
well geeze to me it looked like a cool design,,i believed the cloud thing, UNTIL you had to report it looked like the twin towers, just don't look into everything being about that day, move on, let it go,,,mourn, live, love,,, I think it is an awesome design!
I agree. Some things are just plain wrong and this is one of them. Besides which, it's an architecturally ugly design, and I would not want to be in one of the rooms suspended so high up with nothing below them.
As was I. I saw the photo, and that image immediately flashed into my head. Then I read the headline, and thought....here we go.
I definitely see the concern with the initial image, but I had to go with the middle option in the poll. That image itself is decidedly suspect, but the other one, looking down from above? I don't see any problem whatsoever with that image - heck, it looks cool, there! Has a nice futuristic feel to it.
That said, I know the architects won't be reading this, but I'll say it anyway. The problem with the first image is the section in the middle of the towers is too rounded, and too chaotic - from a distance, it's impossible to make out the specific shapes, and it takes on much the look of a cloud. Which, ironically, is actually what the intended purpose was... However, it was intended to be viewed as a harmless, white fluffy cloud... whereas now, it is, unfortunately, evoking the image of a cloud of dust and debris.
That said, if I could, I would suggest that they redesign it somewhat to use more angular shapes; shapes that would still be distinctive as cubes, rectangles and such even from considerable distances. They would lose the "cloud" look that they were originally trying for, but, with some work, they could still certainly achieve nearly the same end results for the interior spaces of the building, while, again, losing the cloud appearance of the exterior... and with it, both the positive, and negative, imagery associated with that look.
Personally, I hope they redesign it, perhaps as I've suggested - the current design has problems, yes, but I'd much rather they try to address the concerns than simply give up and build just another rectangle.
Some people see Jesus in their toast too. It doesn't mean I'm going to kneel before it. I could see both sides, but people over here need to quit being so damn sensitive. I think its a pretty cool looking building. The Washington Monument looks like a big dick also. Does that mean its obscene and offensive also.
Chris, last I checked, Jesus wasn't a piece of toast.
The Twin Towers were buildings. These new Twin Towers will be buildings. Therefore it's not an abstraction.
While you're attempting to make metaphors and failing miserably, let me help you out: these buildings are obvious metaphors for the Twin Towers on 9/11.
On a personal note, I think the idea that the buildings do remind us of 9/11, almost make sure that horrific day is never, ever forgotten. So, I do not take offense to the design. I'm sorry it causes deep pain for some posters, and I do understand, but I do not think the architects specifically drew the design to cause the US more anguish.
It does bring to mind the Twin Towers however, it is just a butt ugly design! The apartments below those "bulges" will be so dark and dismal, who in their right mind would want them? It would be like living in a cave all the time!
So good to know that Americans are so much better dealing with a misunderstanding than some Muslims were over a deliberate cartoon of Mohammed. Way to go on becoming what you hate.
We were attacked on 9/11. Neither country involved in this building was involved as victim or attacker. Not everything that everyone outside our borders is done to insult or promote us in some way. We're not that imoportant, like it or not. Most of the world doesn't see 9/11 in everything, especially when the "clouds" of this design aren't at the different levels of the buildings like the plane impact sites from 9/11.
Honestly, people get a grip! Should all twin tower designs be banned world wide for all time? Everyone will not see the resemblance to 9/11. This is something designed by a Dutch firm and will be built in South Korea. Don't want to look at it, don't go to South Korea. Problem solved!
When the image of these buildings first popped up on my screen I had a visceral reaction to it. It took a second to look more closely and see that there was no smoke or debris.
My first reaction is having a difficult time 'going away'.
Perhaps had the architects put the 'cloud' units on top of the building the appearance would've been less disturbing.
I love architecture and appreciate innovation. This, however, as I said above, brought back our twin towers...right in my face, my stomach and my heart.
Yet some overly religious person paid real money for it because they believed that it was their Gods way of showing they are present.
You see, just because you see it one way, doesn't mean everyone will see it as you do.
Dismiss other peoples opinions all you want. Just don't get upset when people dismiss yours.
NYMike, I don't understand. Are you trying to tell me that some people do believe Jesus was a piece of toast?
Your post is entirely noncontextual to my point, which makes me understand why you'd easily ignore/dismiss the context in these renditions of the buildings.
Moreover, if you're going to equate imagery of what someone believes Jesus looked like (most imagery of Jesus has him looking nothing like what he would have in real life, and we don't know what that was) in toast to what we KNOW the images of 9/11 look like (we have photos), you're frankly in no position to be commenting.
This is a link to the rest of what the building is projected to look like and I think its quite beautiful on the inside. There's a koi pond, lots of natural lighting, modern art, and a glass barrier around the outer edges to prevent people who dont watch where they're going from walking right over the edge. I could imagine buying or renting a small apartment there and just walking up and down it all day to take the whole sights in. Take a moment to click through the pics, its really fascinating!
archinect.com/news/gallery/30228682/5/mvrdv-designs-the-cloud-for-seoul-s-yongsan-dreamhub
So what?
If this design makes you want to crawl under your table again in fear, then the terrorist have truly won.
Nobody would intentionally deign a building to remind people of 9/11. (and when you look at the rendering (Third photo in the article you see they did not)
But the main reason they would not, is nobody would buy into the building.
And I am very sensitive to the WTC, I could see if from my home and I lost 3 friends that day.
Get off your high horses
Get over yourselves. Its not always about America. Believe it or not the rest of the world has moved on while America wallows around in self pity. We sympathise with you but come on start moving forward. Even the Pearl Harbour veterans group is disbanding. Try and join the rest of us in the real world instead of thinking everyone is conspiring against you. You are like some paranoid neighbour who is just nuts
I agree Nigel, Why the hell Americans always think the entire world revolves around them is beyond me.
Why is it that everyone so suddenly forgets that Although the four buildings next to the twin towers we're ALMOST destroyed, (all four of them still stood at least 30 feet) that building 7, about 3 blocks away somehow is COMPLETELY DESTROYED? By the very same DEBRIS that failed to destroy the FOUR BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE TWIN TOWERS?
Lot of people have nothing better to do today. Pearl harbor did not stop people from parking boats in a harbor, or from building more harbors. I thought the design looked inspired.
It is a beautiful design.
For those that see the Twin Towers, go have a milkshake or whatever. You are like the idiots that see the Virgin Mary in a slide of toast.
Geez, how many idiots do we have in this country?
These planners are not even Americans and had nothing to do with 9/11. I do not understand why people are criticizing them. When was there a law that told the world that people have to abide by American customs? Other countries lost people on 9/11, too. Calling these planners "Al-Qaeda lovers" is hateful and extremely irresponsible.
Several of my family friends were in the tower when they were hit. Some did not make it out. With this being said, as an American, we are not that important to tell other countries what they can and cannot build. Maybe this is why other cultures find us to be an annoyance?
Build the buildings. Maybe it will stand the test of time.
This doesn't look anything at all like the towers that day. The elevations are wrong, the "clouds" are angular, there is no fire, no people jumping to escape the heat, no collapsing. It is too narcissistic to believe the Dutch designers wanted to connect people to 9/11 with this design.
My kids and I look at clouds and pick out shapes, but it doesn't mean that it's anything other than what we want to see in the clouds. Same is true for this design. People who want to remain insulted and injured will see what they want. Let the Koreans have their building and live your own life.
Nigel Ben;
Why don't you give it a rest. I'm guessing your either Canadian, British or maybe Australian. Either way,You and your country would be far worse off were it not for trade agreements and/or aid from the United States. That said, It's still a questionable design. Not because of the because of the former trade center. As an Engineer, this thing looks like a bunch of Lego blocks stuck together. The design hardly looks structurally or ergonomically sound. All those bit sticking out from the main structure will introduce an overhanging load on the support system, adding a great deal of gravitational, wind and torque loading. All this at what appears, the mid point of the elevation? It flies in the face of sound structural design. I wonder how well it will fair if actually build against the forces of a Monsoon.
Anyway, Nigel old bean, if such a calamity as the trade center befalls your country, God forbid, We'll see how fast your nation picks up and"moves on". That's what have come to be expected from faded powers and never was countries, Fair weather friends, You all can always be depended upon to be there when you need US. Cheers.
Well, I see some people have bought into the idea that it wasn't intentional based on an overhead view. I'd like to ask those people who have, where do you think that almost 100% of the people viewing the exterior of that building are going to view it from? To let yourselves be drawn into a half-assed idea about aerial views will be determing how almost everybody is going to view it seems very shallow. Most people view a building from street level.
I think I'm beginning to see a great need for art being made compulsory in school!
Design NOT original. Architect Moshe Safdie designed and built his images in 1967, Montreal Canada. Therefore, in my opinion this is doubly offensive.
@Kevin-3728166: EXACTLY! I've never heard of or seen a building get hit at the TOP and crumble down as if exploded from the bottom. Also, coincidentally, the pentagon "plane" blast, they refuse to release ANY footage showing an actual plane hitting it, but will just show the explosion "after" it hit, WHY? With ALL of those cameras around the building? Strange that the explosion took place RIGHT In the exact spot where the computers that held the accounting information for all of that money that went "missing". Still a skeptic? Watch the movie In Plane Sight: www.911inplanesite.com -- If this doesnt make you at the VERY LEAST scratch your head, then your hopeless.
themike thats some good crack huh?
Please kill yourself you bumb waste of life. You and Kevin and anyone else with the utter stupidity to believe such bull@!$%#. No sense at all. And whats worse< they actually believe this @!$%# and they still live here< probably collecting a government check.
Where do I get a new tinfoil hat?
Hat? He's got a full face mask going.
Commit yourself to the nearest asylum, numbskull.
You want footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon, but you dispute the tons of footage of the planes clearly hitting the twin towers..wouldn't you also dispute the validity of the Pentagon footage, in your crazy alternate reality?
Seriously, if you can watch the footage from 9/11 in Manhattan and seriously think it wasn't two planes that destroyed those towers, you need to be locked away; you're a danger to society and yourself.
Actually, they did show the plane hitting the pentagon themike (countless times.) And the facts of exactly how the buildings came crashing straight down has been told many times. You should actually program your brain to receive information rather then just spitting out unfounded theories. It baffles me that some kooks still thing our government would be behind the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians in a barbaric act such as that, and to one of the most famous landmarks in our country. Where have you been the past ten years exactly?
Seriously, where the F--K is the footage? Like all the conservatives like to repeat ad nauseum, "If you have nothing to hide, then it won't matter" right? Just like our police state "laws" (think Patriot Act) that were put into place by Bush and Co., if I'm not a criminal, then I shouldn't mind laws that invade my privacy, right?? This is the same mentality, only back towards the same people who have consistently apologized and covered up this entire issue from that fateful day. If our government has nothing to hide, then why hasn't footage been released?
You can believe the official story if you want, that's your prerogative. But I still have questions, and I highly doubt any you imbeciles could answer them.
SUCH AS: "Why is the hole made in the Pentagon half the width as the entire wingspan of the plane that hit the building, with NO damage to the Pentagon at the margins?"
SUCH AS: "Why was there nanothermite (a VERY advanced explosive material) found at the WTC after the attack?"
SUCH AS: "How did the WTC buildings fall so quickly, given that they fell at nearly the rate of freefall? (Demolitions experts have already stated many times that this could not have happened due to the sequenced impact that should've been apparent as each floor collapses on the floor below!)"
SUCH AS: "Why have numerous experts testified that the temperature of the burning jet fuel was not nearly enough to melt the steel that made up the central supporting columns of the WTC? The WTC was purposely made to withstand this type of situation!"
SUCH AS: "Pull it?" WHO "pulled" Tower 7 down, and how did they get the demo teams in there to drop it so quickly? Especially when no people were allowed to go near the WTC site due to the obvious risks.
SUCH AS: "Why was there NO debris shown around the Penn. impact site from aerial photos?" (There should've been large pieces of the plane after it hit soft GROUND!!)
SUCH AS: "On that note, where were the large pieces of plane at the Pentagon after the plane hit it?"
And on...and on...and on......
NOW, I DO NOT KNOW WHO ATTACKED US!
I DO NOT KNOW THE MOTIVES BEHIND THE ATTACK!
BUT!! I have some serious questions that you f--kers need to answer, PRONTO!!!!!
Anyone??? Anyone??? Yeah.......and you think I'm the quack, huh?
Janelyn, please provide a link to footage of the plane as it hit the Pentagon!
Go ahead.........take your time, you'll need it! I'll check back later to see if you can muster up an answer for this!
I guess the 158 people that witnessed the plane crash into the building were wrong, lol, pass the tin foil hats please.
Yeah - we do, in fact, think you're the quack.
Post a f---ing link, then!! How hard does it have to be??
I don't think you're a quack Indy Patriot!This Whole Friggen Mess from the Very Beginning Smelled of Bush and his Band of Merry Men!It smelled so much that I gagged on it.
The problem with this bunch if it was true that they found out that it could of been an inside job,they wouldn't know how to handle it.
They'd be shocked because the President of the United States was a filthy dirt bag and in on an inside job.After all he's the president he can do no wrong.Two words on that,Bull Sh it!
Say what you want people I really don't give a flying rat's ass, but I'm willing to bet the bank that this whole 9/11 thing STUNK REALLY BADLY!
Again, I cannot claim to know WHO did this or why! I cannot place the blame solely on Bush (although I wish he'd go jump off a bridge!), because I can't prove anything.
BUT I have questions....legitimate questions....that NO ONE can answer yet!!!
C'MON you goddamned Bush apologists!! Where's my answers!!! It's been ten minutes!!!!!
I hope to God someday they will be answered!
Never, @!$%#ing, fails.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5658198482624505213
BTW, and a couple of others.
That video does not show a plane. You can clearly see that 2 or 3 seconds of the video has been removed, so you can see the tip of something very small, grey and blurry and then the side of the building blows up. This is not solid prof that a plane hit the pentagon.
Some people just won't accept anything other than what their beloved government feeds them. These are the same people who think Guantanamo Bay is necessary and Chavez slaughtered people. The US has a broad history of human rights violations, deceit, and corruption. But of course, you will never learn about this in the federally funded education system.
The people asking for answers are not "quacks", and if you took a few minutes to just explore the concept (I'm not by any means saying you have to agree), you'd see that there are plenty of scholars, physicists, and engineers also have questions about the events of 9/11. I'm with Indy, I do not know who or what exactly happened, and if you think you DO know exactly what happened, you must be the brightest person on the planet.
"So wave those flags with pride, especially the white part."
No, no one "thinks" you're a quack. We're all quite sure of it.
Remember, Alex Jones likes long strokes....
The little blip of some sort of nosecone before the Pentagon explosion in that video... that is way too narrow to be the front part of a passenger jet, I'm sorry. I agree there are definitely a few seconds removed. If there was a jet impacting there... you'd expect to see more of a large object with big wings crashing in before the explosion and other damage... not blip followed by cliche fiery missile explosion with little to no plane evidence.
I was in 5th grade and the entire dismal event that day seemed fishy. Then, I actually only wondered why the towers fell like that. I expected them to fall a little bit from the top and then buckle over leaving more of the bottom left standing, not free fall. I asked my dad why we blew up our own buildings after someone else flew planes into them. I've witnessed controlled demolitions before at that age on tv. He didn't have an answer, and I'm pretty sure we're not going to get one from anyone that knows the whole story for years on any proposed question.
indy, do you remember the airliner that went down in FL after a fire onboard (sometime in the 90s)?
tell me how many pieces were found (most of it was simply gone)
yes, "you expected".
I was a bit puzzled until I learned how they were constructed, then it made perfect sense.
and once the downward motion started, there was simply no way they were going to tilt to the side you would need a sideways force to cause that, where would the lateral motion come from? it would also have to be strong enough to push 30-50 (then increasing) floors worth of wtc building mass to the side. think about it, WHERE IS THAT SIDEWAYS FORCE GOING TO COME FROM?
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Well, this is America and we have quite a contingent that sees all manner of, well, "things". Oops, I see they've already arrived for the ceremony. Thanks Kevin & Mike
Well, some people see Jesus in their grilled cheese sandwiches and some see the Virgin in tree bark. If you look hard enough for what you want to see, you'll see it.
LOL hatsumomo! I thought it was a cool idea - much more creative connection than a skywalk. My first thought was not our 9/11 at all, but can see how it might seem that way. I would tell the architects to duplicate the connection somewhere else so there's two "connections" and move on....if they even want to address it. I'm sure we offend many other nations with what we do in the USA.....and likely 90% of it is unintentional...as I think it was here.
Lot of people have nothing better to do today. Pearl harbor did not stop people from parking boats in a harbor, or from building more harbors. I thought the design looked inspired.
I saw Jesus on a piece of toast, then I saw the twin towers in the clouds in the sky. No building ever should be allowed to have another building next to it.
Embarrassed to be an American these days
Bill were all embarrassed that you are an American.
I had the good fortune to tour the Twin Towers in 98' and even go out on the top and look at NYC. It was a great vacation topped by that memory.
Like Dec 7th, I do not want 9/11 to ever be forgotten. The building in Korea will always be a visual reminder of the greatness of the Towers and all those that died that terrible day. Let it's design of in the clouds be a statement about the evil that is in the world and how as free people we must never forget and guard against those that seek terror and destruction as a God given right.
I say GO FOR IT....a working monument to those who died on 9/11 and since in seeking justice from fanatics.
...but its in Korea and its supposed to resemble a building rising through the clouds. the koreans don't care about 9/11
Good news is, it probably cannot be build as designed. Two towers of that size must move independently of each other or they will tear themselves apart during an earthquake or typhoon. The engineering needed to accommodate that independent movement as drawn, is far too expensive and simply unrealistic.
When I first looked at it, it did put an image in my mind: that the buildings had a malignant growth. Even after I saw the article's title and the model, I'm still not seeing the Twin Towers. They shouldn't build the buildings because they are kind of ugly.
The Dutch are angry that they lost New Amsterdam. That thousand dollar investment they used to purchase Manhattan Island is a big loss.
Regina - stop spamming this forum.
Who cares? It's a tacky design if you ask me. Just rebuild the twin towers the way they were, but this time, put some heavy artillery on the top so they can shoot at the incoming planes.
Anyone who says this was not meant to be a slap in America's face is, either a dunce or anti-American themselves. And to those of you who say other rectangular buildings have been built before and since 9/11, yes, but when they wanted to put a skywalk between them, they did not make them look like they were EXPLODING. Shame on the Dutch and shame on South Korea. Anyone remember how many millions of Americans died protecting South Korea? I think we should remove all of our troops and let's see how long this design frm remains "innovative" once North Korea moves in.
Huh, I disagree Patricia. And I am neither a dunce or anti American.
I just think that Americans, such as yourself, think that the entire world revolves around the United States and they need to get over the fact that other countries might want to build skyscrapers too.
Daniel Libeskind? Has been given the design of the Gound Zero Tomb? And presents this other easily visually suggestive representation of the Event itself? Let's throw in the possibility of this design as a Celebration of 9/11 as one of the triumphs of the most pernicious thought system to ever exist now poisoning our world community and whose sole goal is to rule over all. Symbols, folks. Humanzees are ruled first and foremost by symbols and for a man whose entire mentality is devoted to visual symbolic representation, such an easily misconstrued design would not be an 'accident'. The only 'accident' in the design would be that, from this picture, the design not only suggests the Event, it also suggests enormous tumors growing from the building. How many passports does this libeskind have? Just askin'...
sorry, but it looks like two buildings with a "habitat67" inspired building mashup in the middle.
http://www.habitat67.com/home.html
I've seen other examples of this rather random style in other places too.
all the people whining about 9/11 should get in touch with reality.
danwill
There are now ca. 7 billion 'realities' on this small planet. Which one would you suggest getting in touch with? Perception of evil is, like beauty and ugliness, in the 'eye' of the beholder. The example you present looks nothing like what we see in the design of these buildings as the design is presented here. Their resemblence to geometric trees with massive geometric galls might be considered, or, as mentioned, they may be way too reminiscent of the iconic pictures of the towers receiving their evil wounds which then justified and obfuscated their deliberate demolition, or simply as a failure of imagination. It will be very disappointing if the ROK decides to build these monstrosities in any case, lacking any of the grace we have seen in other ambitious designs around the world. I suspect that if MSNBC put one of their little polls here regarding people's opinions of the design, few would check the "Good design" choice. To the people of Hanguk: 이것은 아주 못생긴이에요! (igaseun aju motsenggin i ye yo!)
I never said it was pretty
;)
I find this to be tasteless and offensive.
get over it ---- i'll never understand why some people have to find the negative in everything.
Translation: "I want to appear cool by disagreeing with a comment that's clearly spot on". I get it, my son does it all the time to look cool by arguing out of his ass.
The design absolutely looks like two twin towers after they were struck; there's no debate.
Lets not forget that the Netherlands were part of the coalition that helped the US invade/occupy Iraq. More Dutch were killed than Israelis.
Dutch also put out those cartoons that so offend the muslims. Honestly, some peeps will get offended by anything. Personally, from the bottom looking up, I don't think it's all that attractive. But doesn't strike me as an attempt to make it look like the Twin Towers blowing up, either. And looking down at it from a different angle, it actually looks pretty cool. I think some peeps just got their shorts too tight, so they always looking through squinty eyes to find something wrong. :P
Well, some people see Jesus in their grilled cheese sandwiches and some see the Virgin in tree bark. If you look hard enough for what you want to see, you'll see it.
I believe that I, as an American, will see this type of image, as reflecting of the terrible time of 9/11. I will grant that the designer may have had other things in mind. The client for this design may also see relatively benign images in this design. But, if they ever intend people from America to visit and not have an immediate visceral response to this design, then they may wish to change it. I don't see benign clouds but clouds from exploding airplanes. It is now imbedded in my psyche and in that of most Americans. If it is important to the design client then they will abandon this design.
Well they're probably not building it for us...it's in another country, by architects from another country, should they really be expected to consider how AMERICANS will respond to a skyscraper before building it?
I mean come the @!$%# on...
One thing to go out of your way to invoke or insult, another to have to deal with people's psyches.
People need to calm down. 9/11 was a tragic day. BUT MOVE ON. If you dont like the design then dont look at it. Dont travel to that city. Dont read up about it when you see articles. It is one artists vision. Just because some people see something or it reminds them of something doesnt mean the entire world sees it or feels the same way. I bet anytime some architect decides to build 2 buildings side by side people are automatically going to associate that with the 9/11 buildings. I say Calm the __— down. Its ok. Take a sip of coffee or acid or something and enjoy the rest of your day.
I think it really doesn't even look like the World Trade Center. Sure, it's two towers but that's pretty much where the similarity ends. There's none of the steel exterior lattice that gave the WTC it's art-deco look. Plus the WTC was never intended to facilitate any kind of structure that linked the two towers.
I do question whether the region there is seismically sound enough for constructing a building like this. Korea is a ring-of-fire country and it seems to me that this is asking for trouble.
Why should they care if you're offended? This building isn't being built in the US so there isn't anyone here that you can try to bully into changing the design. To the rest of the world 9/11 holds no special meaning. I doubt that they had the twin towers in mind when they made this design but even if they did there is nothing you can do about it.
I find you to be offensive and tastless!
@Steve - Slavery was pretty terrible as well, but hey, if you don't like it, don't be offended by people using the n-word or saying that black people are inferior, just get over it! Sorry, 9-11 isn't something that people "get over"... well, you obviously did, but I doubt you cared that much to begin with.
As for the image, I can see it, though I don't know that it would have been the first thing I'd have thought of if I hadn't read the article first. That said, I'm shocked (to the point where I think they're lying) that NO ONE noticed the similarities during all the design process. Two tall buildings with something coming out of them like a cloud... and no one thought it looked just a bit like "Twin" towers exploding? Yeah, no. Some one thought of it, whether it was intentional or not, someone in this process saw the connection and decided they didn't care that it might offend other people. In my mind, it's no different than using the n-word and wondering why people are offended. It's offensive to design a building that looks like the 9-11 attacks and profit off of it.
look people, they weren't building the thing to resembe the WTC and 9/11. its just too damn bad if us americans are offended. the two things coudn't be any further unrelated.
When they build it in South Korea, we have nothing to say about it. It is none of our business, so let them build it! Actually, I have been in the Twin Towers many years ago and they looked fine - nothing wrong with the design at all, as far as I am concerned. We are just too knee-jerky about things and not at all realistic. The design is not sacred, and it can be redone at any time, anywhere.
KyLewin- just like you've recovered from 9/11? your republican, evangelical, born again christian, neo-conservative hypocritcal ego is glowing red again. and, just what do you care about? grow up whoever/whatever you are. we do not really care what you post or think. grasp this if you're capable; it's not what you think of me or mine that matters, rather it's what I and we think of ourselves that matters. like every homo sapien who still has a pulse, you also have a reservation awaiting you in some cemetery.
I just saw the picture first and not the caption and thought "that looks kinda cool", after it was mentioned that it looks like the twin towers I kinda see what people are talking about but come on get over it, it still looks cool. Even if it looks like it though, why do we have to think of it as being in favor of the terrorist, you could think of it as a memorial. stop being so negative
.no debate, huh?
now it sounds like you are the one arguing out of your ass.
hate to tell you, it's NOT all about you, it's not all about the US, and if it is a foreign company (not muslim btw or didn't anyone tell you that the netherlands is not in the middle east?) designing a building in a different country and you don't like it, then too effing bad. the world doesn't care that you are offended, and they shouldn't care that you are offended.
nobody cares what you think you see
Now if only they had a Pentagon shaped shopping mall at the base of the towers with a cloud around part of the outer wall... and maybe park with a cloud in it too...
I see a Cialis sponsored monument to erectile dysfunction on the left.
Don't forget a mosque at the top to finish things off nicely.
those doggone iraqi's! they must have flown into the towers. no? then the afghanistan people? no? oh so it was 15 saudi's out of 19? so saudi did it? but ol' binny's family and georgy shake hands like best buds. oh who cares about all this. just gimme my halliburton and other defense company stocks and let me giddy up in my lambo parked in west palm beach florida.
When you finally sit at the grown ups table of foreign policy debate you will acknowledge that while Iraq had no complicity in 9/11, 9/11 was all about Iraq. See Al Qaeda's 1998 Fatwa. After 9/11 it would have been insane to continue those policies which killed a million muslims, mostly children, and equally insane to walk away and hope Saddam would suddenly change and end his desire for regional conquest. Adults are also not so stupid to believe almost 3/4 of Congress would vote yes on a war waged just so Halliburton stock could go up. Now kindly shut up and drive.
9/11 was in no way "all about Iraq", it was all about one man's delusional and destructive thinking due to him being mad that his home country allowed "infidels" to set up shop on Saudi soil.
Now, not only will Iraq be a pain in the ass forever more, Iran will have NO counterweight , meaning that war with Iran is almost inevitable at some future point.
Intelligent people plan for the worst and hope for the best. These idiots, the Neocons and their lackey Bush, planned for the best and ignored any possibility of the worst coming true.
"Some see Twin Towers?"
Looking at the picture before reading anything, I assumed it was on purpose. It's that obvious.
But at least the conspiracy nuts get another chance to quack.
So basically what you are saying is nobody can build two towers next to each other anymore because you are always going to make a connection to 9/11?
I agree with Mandy! This building is not being built in the USA and it may have similarities to the twin towers but that is it!!! If they want to build it that is fine by me. We will always remember the twin towers but this design is definately not that twin towers.
I just saw the picture first and not the caption and thought "that looks kinda cool", after it was mentioned that it looks like the twin towers after they were hit, I kinda see what people are talking about but come on get over it, im sure it will look better when its not just a drawing, the last color picture looks alot better. Even if it looks like it though, why do we have to think of it as being in favor of the terrorist, you could think of it as a memorial. people need to stop being so negative
I HATE these stories where they show a picture on the main page then you click the story and it is not there or something different. Google news is horrible about it.. see the news story.. pic caught your interest.. click the link, nothing.
Even is this building were designed whith the towers in mind.
It could also be seen as a monument for young people in the future.
A warning, AND a reminder.
that is true, and that is one way to make a positive out of a negative, instead of being a gloomy gus all the time.
That would be incredibly stupid. Why not also build a swastika-shaped building in Germany as a reminder too?
Moron.
Why not, "Rob, the namer of Morons"?
It's in history, in museums, and books and movies.
Why not a monument with the plaque saying "Never Again"?
Actually the US did build a swastika shaped building (google earth showed it at the Seal Training base in San Diego). But like I said Get over it, its not always about America, other people have lives and don't really care about you
"Dear all, honestly we did not see the connection in 3 months of design process ... We take these feelings quite serious but we never intended to design a project looking like an exploding building, why on earth would we? This is quite shocking in this discussion that people think we might have done this on purpose. No!"
Umm, you designed it. It looks just like twin towers on 9-11. The designer is the same guy that designed the 9-11 memorial at ground zero. How could he not have connected them? Total BS. Take out the part that looks like it is exploding and there would be no problem.
Actually, the designer of this horrible building is a Dutch architectural firm this is part of a bigger project, called the Yongsan Dream Hub, whose designer is Daniel Libeskind -- the master plan architect for reconstruction at New York's Ground Zero. Now he is the master plan architect for reconstruction of the buildings and set up for the memorial at ground zero. Not the buildings architect, they have all been designed by other architects tower 1 by David Childs of Skidmore, Owings and Merrit, not tower 2 which is designed by Norman Foster of Foster and Partners, not tower 3 which is designed by Richards Rodgers partnership, not tower 4 which is designed by Maki and Associates, not the museum building which was deigned by Architecht Snohetta group, not the Transportation hub which was designed by Santiago Calatrava and certainly not the memoiral which was designed by Michael Arad. A master plan architecht just designs the overall space and building placement for the and the blueprint for future buildings and sites. . .not the actual buildings. . .at all. It is amazing how many stories are out there. The memorial architecht, with whom I have met and spoken to at length, along with the other architects for the memorial who is a very good friend of mine, had nothing to do with this building. Which I think is an atrocity, having almost lost my husband on September 11th, I am appalled at this building but it has no connection with any of the firms working on the World Trade Center site or the Memorial/Musem.
Your knowledge of the project is commendable, but your appeal to dramatics:
Which I think is an atrocity, having almost lost my husband on September 11th
Is not. Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear warfare. Even if he had perished, consider that this tragedy did not equally affect the entire planet and it's not the first thing on everyone's mind when they go to design a building complex. The bottom image shows the achitects' vision regarding the project, other views are about as relevant as finding how many ways one can fold a twenty dollar bill until one of them resembles september 11th.
I think the concept of joining the two buildings together with cloudlike structure is absolute brilliance from both a use and aesthetic aspect, it's a shame some small minds cannot put the past behind.
yes but that would be copyright infringement...if not one thing, then another. The middle looks gawdy. Why not have more simple lines to connect the two?
Who then is the actual designer of the Korean tower connections? Is he (or she) individually, not the company, a member or supporter of Al Quada? The building is an atrocity and I even wonder if the connections are structurally stable? Another question: Who is funding this Korean project? Who is providing the money?
To John in San Diego, as for my being dramatic, my husband worked on the 78th floor of the South tower and flight 175 hit my husbands floor and came in on his side of the building, had he not left 5 minutes before that plane hit he would not have come home that day. . .all of his co-workers were murdered and none of their remains have ever been found. I thank God every day he got on that elevator and came home to my daughter and I. If you feel I am being dramatic go right ahead.
As for considering if he did die I should worry about the rest of the world not being effected by this tragedy, I shudder to think of that. . . how sad we cannot learn from what happened here to make the world a more understanding and empathetic place. This building is a slap in the fact to every family who lost their loved ones on September 11th. This building mocks what happened here in New York and I am allowed to think it is appalling.
As for my being small minded, perhaps you didn't read the entire post. I am certainly not small minded and I am certainly not in a school yard calling someone names because they don't agree with what I think.
Hey Thomas : South Korea has a market economy which ranks 15th in the world by nominal GDP and 12th by purchasing power parity (PPP), identifying it as one of the G-20 major economies. It is a high-income developed country, with a developed market, and is a member of OECD. South Korea is a beautiful country with overall very kind people and a low crime rate. This building is to be built in Seoul which is comparable to New York.
At Cbraco: you will find things in the US that are very offensive to other countries. It's not a slap in the face. It's in KOREA!!! Are you going to fly here and protest them building it? At least they are building and putting people to work. I have nothing bad to say about the ROK.. well maybe something about their driving but thats a whole new ball game... lol.. The point is people everywhere will be offended by something somewhere else. Whats acceptable in one culture isn't in another. Like someone else already said we have a swastika shaped buiding in Texas... Just think about it...
I think people need to find something else to get offended about.
i agree.
Amen.
There are children literally dying in the dirt in the Sudan and THIS is what is ticking people off? Unbelievable.
Jim..really? Tell that to all the people that lost loved ones that day. Mil, are you giving to the "sudan cause"? The building is in bad taste...and they knew it going into the design of it.
Mil, so let me understand, people have only one choice of things to be pissed off about? Who says that people aren't also pissed off about whatever you're whining about?
No, it is not in bad taste. He didn't even have 9-11 in mind when he thought of this. Seriously, skyscrapers are tall. Usually we judge tall via hieght. What's high up from where we are? Clouds. So when you connect skyscrapers (notice the name we give the towers "Sky" high up in the air "scraper" being in contact with.) with clouds (which are usually found in the sky) you get this design. A tower in the clouds. It is not in bad taste it's just that simple minded people, who think everything revolves around America, are shallow enough to make it a problem. Be an adult. Learn how to think about things. People use clouds in art all the time to referance that things are very tall OR very high. Please don't turn in your children into federal agents if he/she draws you a crayon pic. of a tower that is higher than the clouds. It is a very common theme I promise you.
Why is it that everyone so suddenly forgets that Although the four buildings next to the twin towers we're ALMOST destroyed, (all four of them still stood at least 30 feet) that building 7, about 3 blocks away somehow is COMPLETELY DESTROYED? By the very same DEBRIS that failed to destroy the FOUR BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE TWIN TOWERS?
I have to agree Jim. It's a Dutch firm for a South Korean customer. I honestly don't expect them to make sure they don't offend Americans half a world away. It would have been a totally different matter if they were designing a building for somewhere in the US. I think people are being a little too sensitive about this.
I agree with Jim. How narcissistic a society are we Americans as to be offended by a building designed by a Dutch firm and located in South Korea? Seriously, people, get a grip!!
Totally agree peole need to get over it now been 10 tens of mourning now it's time to live.
Architectural mastery, bravo
I love it - more crackheads posting their fantasies. I am poster #4 (or rather I was - now there seems to be a lot of posts) - and Jim J and I seem to be the only sane ones in the bunch.
FYI - the towers really collapsed due to the 2 planes. Their fuel caused the structural damage to the buildings. Just because nobody was nuts enough to fly a plane into a skyscraper before does not make the actual one a fallacy. And a plane really did fly into the Pentagon - making up lies will not change this fact.
And when I first saw the picture - I thought of the twin towers. I cannot believe that their design was an accident. Someone wants to make a shrine to celebrate the act. If this gets built, the USA should boycott all products from South Korea.
just because you cannot believe it does not make it so.
Your sentence makes absolutely no sense. I think you mean "does not make it false", or "Just because you believe it does not make it so".
Either way, if you believe anything other than planes destroyed the buildings, your credibility is zero; you may sit down.
Someone wants to make a shrine to celebrate the act.
Honestly, that's as insane as any of the beliefs expressed by controlled demolition conspiracy theorists. In fact that's Dr. Judy Wood territory there, buddy.
Imagine you are an architect and are asked to design a pair of towers in a novel way. Not a lot of things you can do with it. I think the design in the last photo is a pretty cool concept.
Here you go, Rob. I put in a comma so you could understand ronpals's comment. And it is correct as written. If you have an argument, take it up with the writers of Star Trek: Next Generation. Jean-Luc said "make it so" at least once per episode.
And, I believe Ron was not referring to the conspiracy theory that it wasn't planes hitting the building, but to Interested Observer's statement of opinion:
Since this was in Korea, I'm not too worried about. If this were made in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Turkey . . . pretty much the entire Muslim world, THEN this would be a stupid design.
" the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2011." At least they did it early so I didn't have to read a full article that obviously wasn't run by any editorial personnel.
Lol! I saw that too!
Hate to say it I see it too.. First thing I thought of when I looked at the picture.. But we need to keep in mind that those attacks messed with our collective psyches so badly that day that we may be only able to see that kind image for a long while. The Koreans were not attacked that day.. we were..for the first time in a big way..we are just going to have to work out our own PTSD about 9-11 and try not to be freaky about other peoples art..Oh..and stop for a moment and think of what our soldiers who no doubt have PTSD must feel and see when they come back from our wars..
I think people are over-reacting. I can see it as a cloud, and don't find it offensive. They could have softened up the edges of the cloud to make it more realistic. I think it is kind of ugly, though.
I think if they moved "the cloud" up just a little bit, then people wouldn't be so offended. I agree too, make "the cloud" softer. The whole idea that the "cloud" is in the same spot as the twin towers were blown up and a "smoke cloud" was formed is why everyone is so upset.
Then it would look like two atomic blasts and might insult the Japanese...oh wait they aren't neurotic like americans are
Yes, Walker, you have it nailed. Americans are neurotic; somewhere between narcissistic and megalomaniacle. The rest of the world cared, for that day and a while afterward. Now, the are trying to get their lives back together after, you guessed it, America $hit the bed at Casino Wall Street.
Did we give a damn about how we insulted other cultures or disrespected their memories? Did we ever care when we stole Native American lands, including their sacred burial grounds? No. WHY then should the rest of the world vet every idea with our government or put their ideas to a veto of American public opinion?
I feel bad for the families of the 9/11 victims, but we can no more coddle and cease to progress for their sake than was true of the families of the Pearl Harbor victims, the Murrah Building (OKC) victims or any other tragedy large or small, either.
The two towers in this design look nothing like the WTC, other than being tall, squared off and slender. They are more modern looking and the connector system is modular and interesting, instead of being a plain, straight walkway-type bridge. I agree with the cloud analogy, which has angles and is impressionist rather than realistic. It visually looks like it is saying "so tall, I am in the clouds."
I agree Walker and SK, This whole deal is utterly ridiculous.
What was he thinking????
Obviously, not about American hypersensitivity.
Probably more about designing something truly unique that will last long after he is gone from this world; a functional work of art that will last past the lives of many men. That is what drives most of the great architects.
Before I even saw the headline the first thing I thought of was the Twin Towers on 9.11. I'm sure that it could have been unintentional but regardless they should scrap the idea.
So your saying some Dutch atchietect, building a building in South Korea, should scrap his idea because it offends someone in America?
...and people wonder why a large part of the rest of the world hates us.
Yeah. Its funny how Americans think the entire world is only focused on us. Everything everyone does on the planet is in relation to what someone in America is doing because its all about the USA. Give it a rest. Let him build this ugly building if he wants to. Most of you will not be visiting Korea in your lifetimes anyway.
@JOhnS and Starfox,
Remember when some Dutch cartoonist drew a picture of Mohammed? That wasn't America sending them death threats. Contrary to what you might think, USA isn't the worst place in the world. Other countries become offended too. But keep talking out of your asses.
We make up about 5% of the worlds population.
It's a prime example of political correctness on steroids; WE here in the U.S. are "offended" because a few of us 'think' the building looks like something that happened here a decade ago, so people over in a foreign nation that we will likely never visit must go to the expense of scrapping their already completed plans and spend money on new ones. The world must submit to our whims and worry about OUR feelings b/c we are all about political correctness.
Sigh.
The people making these threats are exactly like muslims calling for Jihad.
Once again, people were asked of their opinion on the structure...AND PEOPLE GAVE IT! Now, you want to bash them for saying it stinks, is poor judgement, etc. Furthermore, the rest of the world DOES want to know what we as americans think! But you would know that if you paid attention to the news.
I wanted to correct my previous comment...people were leaving comments on the arch.'s facebook (I participated in a survey) about the resemblence. I copied this from the article for those that say the dutch arch wasn't making any reference to the wtc:
The towers are part of a bigger project, called the Yongsan Dream Hub, whose designer is Daniel Libeskind -- the master plan architect for reconstruction at New York's Ground Zero.
It's hard to say he didn't draw inspiration from the wtc's, would you agree?
go-getter-
Let me try..."he didn't draw inspiration from the wtc's."
No, not hard at all. Quite easy in fact.