"Oh, and look. Another teacher commenting stupidly once again and NOT showing any tone of civility. Don't you have some private sector person to try to steal money from, some cop car to defecate on, some public park to camp out in or some students to molest?"

Who you talking to? Ido? Someone in the article? To me you both seem to be on the same page.

No swimming for the ignorant?

The globalists are continuing to chip away at our soverignty piece by piece. And to top it off they have achieved another milestone victory in their quest for multinational redistribution of wealth. Enviromentalism my ass, this is a farce intended to distract the weak minded from the true agenda of this sinister undertaking.

neutronsgalore.....or is that "shotgungalore" ?

Nah, what I was referring to, if you can read between the lines, was for the U.S. to kick out the U.N. from NYC and terminate any U.S. relationship to the U.N. tentacles....G-7, G-8, G-20, and any U.N. controlled "committees" which are used for World redistribution of wealth.

Yep, you may want to check out the CCX and find out where it's roots came from.

And I can get downright angry when these World Class turkeys take American taxpayer money for some WorldWide Progressive program. I would think you would vent some anger at that also.

Finally, you are attacking the wrong person, juvenile. I detest the "Day of Rage Wall Street" protesters.

Well said Ido!

Theythink they can change something they are dreaming, all they are doing is conning us. kiss your freedom good by. Another step backwards. a sure win for environmentalist terrorist.

Actually, I read the headline and then the article and discovered that the headline didn't match the article. The bottom line is that since Kyoto they have been negotiating to come up with a new, more binding agreement. So, the "landmark" agreement reached today was that they will begin negotiations to come to an agreement. WOW! I'd think that the libs would be really pissed that this group spent all this time, money, and most importantly, carbon pollution to do absolutely nothing. But, such is the way of those who think they are so smart, at least in their own minds. Intentions are good, results need not matter.

Who the hell gave these a-holes the right to spend my money? Screw the UN, the Global Community.

"The 194-party conference agreed to start negotiations on a new accord"

So the 'landmark' agreement was to 'start talking' about another agreement.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

Your money won't mean much when the world can no longer support human life.

This is encouraging news, and a good start to fighting climate change.

And to all of the people paranoid about a one world government, some issues are GLOBAL and thus require GLOBAL cooperation to achieve GLOBAL solutions against GLOBAL problems. Stop this red-herring, cop out BS about a global government, you all have been watching too much Alex Jones and Glenn Beck. And as for America's sovereignty being infringed upon! That's all we ever do to the world! That's our biggest business, why do you think we have a global empire with bases in people's countries? We have some nerve to say some climate deal to fight the biggest issue of the century is an "infringement" to our sovereignty. Get over it whiners.

Climate change is real, and it's a big big problem, and until people accept this, of course global banks to help the poorer nations fight and adapt to climate change will seem silly and wasteful. But if you consider the consequences of climate change, this is MONEY WELL SPENT!

Ido---I should've been more clear. My reply was to Logic, not you. The text in the quotation marks was from Logic's reply, which apparently got deleted after I had posted. Apparently Logic realized the mistake of his/her comment and got rid of it.

Zach -

I have been reading your posts and they are great. We certainly do not have a "one world government", and nothing close to it. However, we do have a global economy and it was brought to us by private corporations. I think our sovereignty as been compromised much more by global oil corporations and global manufacturers than any conference committee decision.

All the arguments against climate change and global warming aside, the fact that there are more than 7 billion people alive on earth today has to influence the climate. While climate may experience cycles, human population has increased steadily. There has never been more than 7 billion of any single species alive on this planet at one time in all history. We should also count in a billion or so cattle and pigs that are, at any one time, being raised to feed some of us. An awful lot of respiration and perspiration there, don't ya know! We sure do need every bit of clean water and air we can get. Hug a tree tonight!!

Some people are just prone to overreaction. The PATRIOT Act has done far more harm to our "freedom" than any sort of global climate deal, even the one EU originally pushed for. As for our "sovereignty", I don't think we have any room to talk given that we have been undermining the "sovereignty" of other nations for the past century. This type of behavior reeks of "American Exceptionalism" thus needs to be chopped off at the head immediately. The two decades long, U.S. dominated unipolar world is fast becoming a multipolar world and that is the reality. Get with the program or get left behind like relics of a past never to return.

This is one case where the U.S. can't just bury our head in the sand and ignore. Weather patterns do not stop at national boundaries.

Dl Miller, I am starting to fear the world govt people are not so crazy.... In europe countries are agreeing to give up control of thier own budgets including defense spending to UNELECTED officials. In The US, they are repealing Posse Comitatus and the Bill of Rights (North American Defense Act)... "Sea smurfs", North Com..... How does having 7 days worth of food in my house make me a terrorist? You gotta read that NADA, it's a nasty anti-constitutional bit of poop.

It freaks me out man. They seem to be doing Regionals, then they will be easier to consolidate as a whole.

I personally feel cap n trade is just more crony capitalism. They'll speculate pollution, and hence industrial production, sky freaking high, just like they did to oil/gasoline.

A few guys at the to will have all the money trickle up to them. Watch and see. The Planet will be just as dirty. All about the money, always.

I see a huge opportunity here for haliburton and friends. Install giant scrubbers in order to get carbon credits by the ton and resell these credits to polluters. WOW. Field services at its best. First help destroy and then help with rebuilding, both at the expense of public coffers. Where have we seen this pattern before?

Yesterday I posted ….” The location of the talks is inconsequential as no agreement would have been reached no matter where they were held. The science of climate change is flawed and has been discredited by the fraudulent statistics and manipulations of the UN and EU……” so after reading the headline my first thought was….gee I was wrong…they actually have reached an agreement…

To my surprise however, the only things they have agreed on was to set up more bureaucracy for wealth redistribution, to continue the talk fest and to extend the Kyoto targets by another 5 years.….” This is hardly a successful outcome for a “pressing issue!

I wonder when someone will stand up to the UN and EU and get them to defend their fraudulent science and statistics that account for the bulk of the “Global Warming and now Climate Change” theories.

To everyone grousing over the "global" solution to "global" warming: global problems need global solutions. Its like pushing for states rights when dealing with problems of air and water pollution - as if air and water know anything of state boundaries. To everyone who claims there is no such thing as human influence on climate change, congratulations on being able to exercise so much power based on such little knowledge, because that's what this is all about - your chance to make an impact without really doing a lot of the hard work of learning about this problem.

Ido=Glenn Beck clone.

Nothing will change with regards to the climate except for this....

The deal also set up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute tens of billions of dollars a year to poor countries to help them adapt to changing climate conditions and to move toward low-carbon economic growth.

Liberals through out the world are hastening our demise haha. Lovely

Bitching on these pages is no longer enough. Our own Congress passed a bill that includes letting them arrest and hold without trial AMERICAN CITIZENS. Does this not bring memories of Nazi Germany? Now the UN wants to set up an outfit to tell us how to run things in our country. Now is the time for a class action suit against both the UN and our own Administration for the unconstitutionality of both these agreements. If not now when? I can guarentee you that if we do not change the way our Federal Government is headeded we will not recognise our own country in four more years. Not just the current bunch of good ol boys, but all those who have been in Washington more than two terms.

Kornfed "Nothing will change with regards to the climate except for this....'The deal also set up the bodies that will collect, govern and distribute tens of billions of dollars a year to poor countries to help them adapt to changing climate conditions and to move toward low-carbon economic growth.' "

It was always about redistributing money from the 'rich' countries to the 'poor' countries. If you want to cut through the BS of any so-called 'global initiative', just apply the Golden Rule "Follow the money trail".

Notice the result - Money will be redistributed, and they will 'move toward low-carbon economic growth' (the code words for empty rhetoric).

Gordon H

If you think it is a good thing to let the UN, the most corrupt outfit on this planet get any kind of control over our land, people, resources or anything else, you are crasy! The people of Germany sat back and let thier country go to the hands of the devil little by little and now we are going down that same fatal road thanks to a bunch of ignorant liberals who have no idea what real life is all about.

One would have to have a trust fund or fortune of thier own to even consider letting that bunch of crooks be given the power to take our tax payer dollars and "distribute it to poor countries". Can you not see that is simply the way of spreading socialism globally? The poor would never see the money anymore than they see the billions we send over seas now. God help us to survive the stupidity that has grown to such vast measure in our country.

Just laughable how suposedly sane and rational people can stick their collective heads in the ground, in the face of a mountain of unassailable scientific information and facts. 82% of the most informed and talented climatology scientists in the world agree with the ever-growing, and potentially fatal, problem of climete change on planet Earth.

http://www.climatepath.org/aboutus/science

Interestingly, Solar scientists are predicting the the current Solar Cycle (a 22 year cycle marked by 11 year highs and lows of intense radiation) will be one of the weakest on record. In the past, very low levels of Solar activity have been associated with extremely cold weather.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the extra Carbon we've been emitting actually PREVENTED another 'Little Ice age', which could potentially kill a few BILLION people?

Here's a link;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

The reality is that Earth's climate has changed throughout history, with many examples of higher and lower temperatures that are totally unrelated to human activity. I find it humorous that people have this silly idea that today's climate is 'ideal, and must be maintained no matter what the cost might be'. In the past, we have merely adapted, and that will be the only solution that works in the future.

They've just discovered another round of emails from the ICPP, who is replacing the Kyoto.

Here are a few email excerpts from the link below about the deceitful manipulation of this Global Warming gang. BTW...the terminology has been changed to CLIMATE CHANGE. You want to know why? Because they cannot find any true "Global Warming". This all but affirms the motive behind this scam is NOT science, but POLITICAL GAIN. Google "Climategate II" Wake up, folks and start researching the connections. Write your reps. They are attempting to force the USA under a foreign treaty!!

ClimateGate II

copy and paste link below

//blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100119087/uh-oh-global-warming-loons-here-comes-climategate-ii/

""""""**********/// The IPCC Process ///

<1939> Thorne/MetO:

Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical
troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a
wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the
uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these
further if necessary [...]

<3066> Thorne:

I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it
which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of
dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC

In my experience, global warming freezing is already a bit of a public
relations problem with the media

Kjellen:

I agree with Nick that climate change might be a better labelling than global
warming*******************

Just look at the deception from our OWN GOVERNMENT!!

What a world. It seems that for many on here there is no amount of data that will convince them that climate change is real. OTOH, when it comes to believing in conspiracies, zero evidence supporting those conspiracy theories is good enough thank you.

It is sad the American people are not seeing the manipulation by our government concerning the carbon tax/climate change rules. I just posted emails from the ICPP obtained by the FOIA showing how they are lying about the man made climate change...and the goal is NOT science, but political gain.

Please google ClimateGate II

Wavesofgrain,

I did just that (Googled Climategate 2). And found this: “Climategate 2: More ado about nothing. Again.” in a blog in Discover magazine (by Phil Plait, astronomer and lecturer who spent ten years working on the Hubble Space Telescope).

Excerpts:

“However, it was clear to anyone familiar with how research is done that [Climategate 1] was complete and utter bilge; the scientists were not trying to hide anything, were not trying to trick anyone, and were not trying to falsely exaggerate the dangers of climate change.”

“However, like a bacterium festering away someplace dank and fetid, Climategate is poised to infect reality once again: The Guardian is reporting that a second cache of stolen emails has been released anonymously, and once again the cries of conspiracy are being heard. However, it looks like these emails aren’t really new, and were simply from the original stolen batch, but were held back until today. Mind you, the emails from the first Climategate were released right before a big climate conference, in an obvious attempt to derail it in the media. This new batch was released days before a similar conference, in what appears to be a similar propaganda move.”

In a previous article, (Case closed: “Climategate was manufactured”), Plait found that

“It’s not often you can actually say ‘case closed’, but in this case it’s literally true: climatologist Michael Mann has been cleared of all wrongdoing by the Inspector General of the National Science Foundation.”

By the way, 6 investigations of Climategate 1 found no fraud. They include: House of Commons Science and Technology Committee (UK); Independent Climate Change Review (UK); International Science Assessment Panel (UK); Pennsylvania State University (US); United States Environmental Protection Agency (US); Department of Commerce (US).

Are any of those billions coming to America to aide the poor?

Global warming is just as serious as the Y2K scam. The world did not end in the Y2K crisis they all made a big deal about, and all this global warming is a sham as well. Just another way to take money out of the taxpayers pockets and pad the politicians pockets.

No one can control,the weather or any other disaster like an earthquake, tornado, ice-storms, floods etc. All one can really do is prepare for them and learn how to survive natural disasters.

They are going to happen when Mother Nature decides on what's going to happen. Maybe all thee scientists or figure out how to stop the snow and ice-storms in the N-e areas of America. It will save the crops, or will it. We need snow for farmlands in places like Iowas, we need rain as well so we can survive.

However, all this bs about Global Warming is just that. The people in the N-E states are still dealing with snow storms, blizzards, flooding and such. Instead of wasting money on all these bs scientists approved by our government and paid for by the
American taxpayers, maybe we should put that money to better use and give i9t to the people to help them with heating cost in the cold winter months.

In response to the comment about the Maunder Minimum in solar activity, there is already more than enough additional CO2 in the atmosphere to prevent another ice age. The level of atmospheric CO2 regarded as safe is about 350 ppm, versus 280 ppm pre-industrial and over 390 ppm today.

wavesofgrain

Its a conspiracy against the ignorant deniers.

If you think it is a good thing to let the UN, the most corrupt outfit on this planet get any kind of control over our land, people, resources or anything else, you are crasy!

Back up your claims. Show me evidence that this climate deal (a minor one at that) gives U.N. the power to control the lives of American people or American territory. You're just pissing your pants because a binding legal agreement will hold certain individual nations accountable for their actions, including the U.S., thus diminishing their hold over the "right to pollute". Accountability is the key point here. Any belief that two centuries of pollution driven by massive population growth and industrialization is not going to have any major impact on the ecology of earth is frankly, delusional. There are always consequences to ones actions.

The people of Germany sat back and let thier country go to the hands of the devil little by little and now we are going down that same fatal road thanks to a bunch of ignorant liberals who have no idea what real life is all about.

Funny that you would bring up the Nazis. Maybe you're not a student of history but the Nazi party was a right wing nationalist movement, hell bent on destroying the left wing "socialists" in Germany and Europe in general. Yet you blame the liberals on the left for the Nazis ascension to power? Riiiiiight......

The tiny planet we live on couldn't give a rats azz what the human species does to exterminate itself. It'll keep spinning around the sun for billions of more years with or without us.

At the rate we are ruining our tiny planet, we won't even be a tiny blip in its history.

It's funny how arrogant we are as a species thinking we won't one day be extinct like all species before us. The sad part is, we will just help the process towards extinction along a bit faster with our ignorance.

When someone has no good argument, they revert to cussing and name calling.... How very liberal of you... You must be from the party of understanding...

More like Valiant Slant Six. Your platform is missing the important aspect that all our living and dead fought for the future of our children and our children's children, not just some mythical sovereign right. We as a responsible leader in the world must bow to the needs of our planet, not our vanity.

Mythical sovereign right? Really? You really do not have a clue what the US Constitution is all about! You disrespect the very men and women that defend your freedom to blather on like you do. Don't worry though, I will roll my 440 Mopar out of the garage and do a very noisey and very smokey burnout just for you and Barbara...

thank you drewmeister. so true. old-fashioned car guy "mopar" - they were great times, but get real. this planet is in trouble. check the science for the past 30 years that most of us have been paying attention to.

Logic-2973782

"all countries under the same legal regime"

Say goodbye to your freedoms, we are under a one world government.

Just think the ignorant may not have to move into a water world. Too bad?

Barbara and Drew may be ready to cave to one world government but I am not. Once again, this flies in the face of our Constitution and sacrifice!

you are right 440. This is the very reason why our forefathers gave us guns...and why the other nations are for the most part, naked. They won't be able to get back their government. People wonder about the second amendment, this may be why. That may be the only way for us, but at least the founders gave us a chance. No guns in Britain or japan, or many other places for the commoners.

I didn't ask my representative or senator to give away all our money..especially for unproven opinions.

1. neutronsgalore....."Oh, and look. Another teacher commenting stupidly once again and NOT showing any tone of civility. Don't you have some private sector person to try to steal money from, some cop car to defecate on, some public park to camp out in or some students to molest?"
2. Logic-2973782 .....Oh, and look. Another teacher commenting stupidly once again and not showing any tone of civility. Don't you have some private sector person to try to steal money from, some cop car to defecate on, some public park to camp out in or some students to molest?

Lookie, lookie....two peas in a pod.

Narrator....you need to terminate one of these two posters....since they are the same person.

I love that fact that when you disagree with a liberal, i.e. a Socialist, you're immediately labled "ignorant". Well, I am intellegent enough to know that you don't sell your freedom for the price of a pat on the back. I don't care if the global community likes America or not. I will NOT allow my tax dollars to be spent on this crap. Another reason we need to make sure the Democrats don't take away our right to bear arms.

Forced sterilization of people like barbara teacher and drewmeister would be a great start to getting this planet back on track.

Climate change has been going on for 11,500 years, in the warming mode. prior to that it was a little chilly. if these people lived when the cycle was at its peak of cold would they not be looking for a way to warm things up a little. this is bull$#!+ they want to change nature well let them but not at my expense, the fact is they cant do $#!+, and they cant stop nature, this is all about money. there have been about 33 ice ages ,there have been about the same no# of warming spells, think about it each occurring about every 11,000 to 12,000 years don't be stupid this is BS. Fall for this one and your an Idiot. or the other one code 1-D-10-T. you worry about to much sunshine and to many beaches when you should be shopping for snowshoes. I guess the population is expendable after all. this is true we won't see it happen but the Ice Age is in fact on its way back, and this warming is a warning, studies from core samples show this is what happens prior to a Ice Age and all the signals point to a major atmospheric change about to happen right around the corner. its true what the environmentalist are studying and what they should be studying are two different things. they are wrong. but they are making money. don't be a sheeple this is a Conn job. the biggest one to date. shut those people down.

Paula--When you equate liberals with socialists, you are labeled ignorant because you are demonstrating ignorance.

"thank you drewmeister. so true. old-fashioned car guy "mopar" - they were great times, but get real. this planet is in trouble. check the science for the past 30 years that most of us have been paying attention to."

Barbara, how can you be so sure about our planet being in such great trouble? That science you refer to is only as good as the motives of the scientists and those controlling the purse strings for their research. There have been many studies done by those on both sides of the issue which seem to confirm their own theories and debunk those of the opposition. Who does one really believe? With all the differing findings out there, the story of either side is just speculation at best, and I have a big problem with our tax dollars being used when there has been no concrete proof either way.

We have plenty of proof Global weather change is real.

Guns, one world society, more like industry with out the red neck morons will agree to save the world for every one to live.

Because if they don't you will be bitching a lot harder while 1/2 of you is forced to move to a climate one can live in and the over half dies.

[You will be climbing that illegal wall on the border to Mexico so fast your head will spin]

But the constitution gives you the right to bear arms so you can shoot your self and we will be done with the ignorant bitching.

I'm in the military and I'm fine by this. Believe it or not our planet doesn't give a rat's ass about borders and boundries. Once you reach the edge of America you're not going to hit some sovereign force field that keeps away the doings of other nations. In fact, if you haven't noticed, airplanes do continue to travel onward once they leave our waters. As if our atmosphere is, oh I don't know, a layer covering the whole planet seamlessly. It's a simple jester. In order to have just the chance of influncing others to do better you have to also abide by the very same regulations you're wanting others to. Don't you worry I'm rooting for our scientist, the ones who stand in the face of... stupid or greedy people which ever... to show the facts as well as search for the solutions AND provide another means for our 1st world comforts.

Damn - so climate change is now "weather"? What ignorant hole in the earth did you climb out of?

Certainly we are experiencing some interesting climate changes. What we were fed 35 years ago was that we needed to stop using fossil fuels NOW because of global cooling, and that we were about to enter an ice age because of our irresponsibility.

This is one of the reasons why many of us grown ups are just as skeptical of the new leftie screamers telling us of the new pending doom, global warming, due to humans.

The left has so politicized climate, with folks like Al Gore betting millions and billions on the new industry that will benefit from this global economic shift that would happen if they get their way, and you have a formula for fraud.

We still have to rely 100% on computer models, as we need thousand of years of data to understand this science, and that data does not exist. We have been duped by computer models for decades, from the climate guys to government - hell, just look at all the CBO estimates that turned out to be total BS.

Sorry kids, when your team screams the sky is falling, followed by their hands out telling us we need to spend billions and live in huts if we want to survive, its just too much to take seriously.

"To aid poor countries".........where is the money going to come from? The EU is on the brink of collapse due to debt. We are up to our necks in it, China and India are classified as developing nations, Russia has its own problems, Canada is not interested in their corrupted theories and statistics ….so who is going to be contributing to the UN fund? Australia? That’s right, they are the only country that I know of eager to share their wealth with the rest of the world. Perhaps they could send me a dollar or two as well, I’d know what to do with it.

Which viewpoint, if wrong, does the most damage?

Which viewpoint is based on corporate politics and greed rather than common sense and science?

Which viewpoint screams ignorance over facts?

At what point will flatlanders finally recognize that their planet is dying? Will they ever feel any responsibility for future generations?(How can they when they do not take responsibility for themselves.)

Again: which viewpoint, if wrong, does the most damage?

Why argue with the ignorant, brainwashed right wingers? As the earth dies they will never see what is happening. Save the children. Gomen aka-chan.

Google Climategate II. Those who fall for the Global warming Scheme are the brainwashed segment. They have already made trillions from the Cap and Trade agenda, and have the trillions to control the media to spout the untruths of this scheme. Over 5,000 emails obtained through FOIA that shows their deceit and manipulation. Even admits that they cannot get data to back up the Global Warming spiel, so had to now change the title to CLIMATE CHANGE. And the techs also said the motive is not science, but for POLITICAL GAIN.

Paul said "We still have to rely 100% on computer models."

No, we don't have to rely on computer models. There is experimental data about the thermal properties of greenhouse gases, in addition to evidence from the geological record and statistical evidence that the climate is already changing.

Paul F

The only noise and ignorance is coming from the uneducated lay person.

The scientific, government, and DOD has long passed that pissing match and is working out the crunch, completely ignoring the loud noise of the uneducated.

440 Mopar

It flies in the face of your ignorance, but then, so what?

The anti UNers - It's the same mentality as the states' rights people (and probably the same people). We have a Union on this continent of States because we understand that:

"United we stand, divided we fall."

But we are experiencing a renaissance of the isolationist, secessionist, "Don't tread on me" attitudes of the go-it-aloners. They threaten the very basis of the strength of this nation. It is impossible to tell if each individual state and city in America would be more or less profitable within or outside of our Union, but it is a certainty that the average prosperity of all the peoples in this land would be worse if not for the Union. The same can be said for the UN.

The UN however, holds very little power over its member states, quite unlike the American federal government. Every treaty and act only has the power given to it by those who abide in it. Not agreeing to a treaty means you are not subject to it. The UN is not a tyranny, though it can act against a state if members agree to it, such as with the Iran sanctions.

We live in a world community whether we want to admit it or not, just like Texas lives on the same continent as New York, and we must allow for compromises so that we can all get on with living. Climate change is a real problem and it is global in nature. Some countries are the biggest polluters, other countries want to modernize but can't do it if they are forced to adhere to "rampant government regulations." Where have I heard that before? The poor countries don't want to face crippling regulations, but the richer countries want the poor to pay the same rates as them even though they cannot afford it. Where have I also heard that? If we are serious about the solutions we must find compromises - this is a democratic process. We choose to abide by it. We are not giving up our sovereignty. There is no cabal and there is no leader to this organization to which we would be giving it up to. This is an agreement to compromise. That is something neighbors do. It is what States do when they send Representatives to Congress.

If you think the UN is dangerous then you must follow the logic that the Federal government is dangerous because it represents people other than those close to you. Why, then the state government would be dangerous too as it represents far off cities. Perhaps we should eliminate all laws and live in tiny neighborhood-wide fiefdoms for fear of being dominated by tyrannical neighbors simply seeking compromises.

Running away from compromise doesn't make the world's problems go away. But it may ease the speed with which nations resort to other means of conflict resolution, and that is the primary reason to value the UN. It gives a voice where before were only fists and guns.

wow. someone with a brain. too bad most of the people who comment can't look past their sorry little pieces of meat that they inhabit in this life. HELLOOOO. doesn't anyone value science anymore?

teach

are you a man hater? just asking on behalf of those of us that dont have sorry LITTLE pieces of meat. and i like science geology to be more specific..

Ignorance, cant live with out it.

teach

are you a man hater? just asking on behalf of those of us that dont have sorry LITTLE pieces of meat. and i like science geology to be more specific..

actually, we'd rather live without it. Same story with atheist liberals..

It is called "Global Warming". Man's findings and observations indicate that the greenhouse gases are trapping more reflected light in our atmosphere whereby heating up the planet. Additionally man's waste in the form of plastics has collected in the great gyres of the oceans. Gyres are like calm places in the midst of currents going in a clockwise or counter clockwise direction. One gyre has collected an area of plastic larger than Texas. Yes, to end the argument, this hydrogeological engineer believes global warming is occurring and man is the factor of this change.

And some people are gullible. looks like the Conn's win again, next they will bring rain back to all the arid regions of the world. and end starvation. allot of things are changing in this world always has been but to be so stupid to buy into this I cant believe it, the fact is it is a Conn job. yes things are being affected by man but that's a small % and has little impact on the big picture, and if the studies Ive read are wrong well I would rather live on a boat then in a egg lo, but I wont last long enough ether way, short of it you don't have a choice but if you did would you rather sail around in the sun or live in a cold unforgiving baronwilderness of Ice, this is pointless and people are acting less than intelligent. why should we give up our house so someone that never built their own should have one. that's a more accurate way to look at this redistribution of wealth OWS liberal BS. or should we refer to it as the down fall of civilization.

Mike, I must disagree that climate change is the single most important issue that we must face. The most important issue , and one that everyone avoids, especially politicians, is over-population.

There are about 5 billion too many people on the planet. Remember that we are talking about a sustainable level of population, a level that provides amply for the population and allows for satisfactory renewal of resources that will carry that population into a virtually limitless future.

And, a world population of 2 billion more than likely will have little or no significant effect on our global climate, leaving the climate to follow its natural cycles.

In fact, many of our social problems are rooted in over-population. Get the population under control and a whole lot of problems will fade away. We might even be able to enjoy long periods without wars.

When we get rid of Obama and his eco-terrorist nut jobs, the next President must cancel all of these agreements. We should evict the UN and let them set up shop in a Socialist country

disgUSted-2940129

So, what do you propose, nuclear war to eliminate one half of the world's population?

GET REAL! please confine your thoughts to how do we proceed from here. Of course it would have been nice if humanity had realizied the error of it's ways when the world population was 3.5 Billion. That is what you are proposing or am I missing your point ?

politiciansallsuck

Same story with atheist liberals..

Other than you does any one else know any?

StopTheMarxist-3864834

Buy a house boat and shut up.

morlack - another LACK of information. duh!! is everyone forgetting we are in an interglacial period. we are supposed to be heading toward a micro-glacial event. this global warming has NOTHING to do with humans?? Duh.... morlack.... a continuing lack of caring about SCIENCE....the same lack as is prevalent in american (small a on purpose) society.

no your the idiot...we all are not that stupid. It's funny when people grip about Christians when they go on about the same thing..belief in something that you cant see..namely the concept that it is or isn't mans pollution, but natural. No matter how you wish, the argument is the same.

funny. i never saw the word "christians" in any of these posts. What are you referring to?

your obviously atheist..you know the point..or are you as ignorant as your post read?

global warming has NOTHING to do with humans??

Complete ignorance.

Not a single Governmental Organization including the DOD, nor any Scientific Agency disagrees that Global Weather Change it here, its real, and its man made.

Chris D ---Government Organization? You appeal to the wisdom of government organizations? That seals the argument against you. Is that the government that gave guns to criminals ? Is that the government that encouraged mortgages to people who weren't required to have any money , job or history of repaying debts?

exactly chris. it's a shame people don't read,isn't it?

So because politicians tell us so..it's fact. Don't you see how sideways that logic is?? not talking about the money, but just for a second, can you remember any corrupt politician?? Maybe one that recently got 14 yrs? People can be corrupt, some molest kids...some do worse and kill there own people.. But somehow these politicians we blindly follow????

Barbara teacher, if you are a teacher then we as a society might be in some trouble. you should be smart enough to figure out that these cycles do occure. you should know that this cycle does repeat itself . you should know that antartica was once a lush forested continent. you should know a conn when you see it, man can not fix this so why pay man to fix this. this is over your brainwashed head.

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Chris D ---Government Organization? You appeal to the wisdom of government organizations? That seals the argument against you. Is that the government that gave guns to criminals ? Is that the government that encouraged mortgages to people who weren't required to have any money , job or history of repaying debts?

Come back and argue the finer points with your shore line under water and the weather so hay wire and loud you cant hear your self think.

But I have a feeling your head is busy with a game that doesn’t even exist so go back and worry about tripe, its your life, while the rest of us worry about a habitable world.

It's not the politicians MOST of us are listening to. It's scientist. BIG difference. They don't give a flying fart and a half about what people WANT to hear because they are too busy finding and showing what IS.

Skepology -------Ever hear about government grants, ie., $ given to study various issues? It only goes to those who affirm global warming is a hazard. Scientists are like everyone else they have to pay a mortgage and feed their families.

Skepology

It's not the politicians MOST of us are listening to. It's scientist. BIG difference. They don't give a flying fart and a half about what people WANT to hear because they are too busy finding and showing what IS.

And your guess on this subject came from where...a Wheaties box, Cracker Jacks?

DBuck and gary--what are your sources?

Chris D

I'm not sure what guess I made that you are reffering to, but no my support does not stand on junk food containers. Yes, I know that those 3 corner mazes are fun and I'm sure some people feel proud of making it through that challenge. However, it's peer reviewed journals, articles in magazines that have proven themselves credible, shown and demonstrated data from people who are not on their couches getting excieted by a half ass shape of Jesus in their nachos, but from those who are in the field. Those who are getting their hands dirty for the sake of wanting to know. Scientist.

Skepology

[My] Wrong post.

Disregard my post.

Thank you for your service Keith!!

most of the soldiers after WW II were led into wars that had NOTHING to do with protecting anything except econoic interests

Well duh..that's the kind of thing that has to stop.

teach

DUH as you say, everytime you post, i get more concerned about my kids education.....

Wow Barbara! What a hippie....

Darn it, its my god given right to ignorantly destroy the earth?

Barbara-Teacher -------Economic interests are profoundly important. Poverty is one of the greatest problems faced by many in the world today. Believe me , they have a strong desire that their economic interest be improved and protected. What's wrong with your judgment to disparage such a vital aspect of contented human existence?

Nice dog Keith, looks smarter than that teacher girl sounds.Duh!

Keith-1952 .....Actually your for a water world, so you can deny that one too.

Robin hood is helpless against the likes of haliburton.

exactly!!!

Governments killed hundreds of millions more people than Haliburton ever did.......

wow. your numbers are weird. do live on this planet? "hundreds of millions" not even the nazis were that bad.

Logic ---------Take the Nazis, Russian Communists and the Chinese Communist and throw in Pol Pot and you will be reaching or approaching the hundreds of millions. And this doesn't even include other governments throughout most of history, like the Romans.

No such thing as global warming.

Global Weather Climate Change is real, its here and its man made.

Yeah, they changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change when the earth stopped warming in the past few years. The charlatans had no choice as they were set to become laughingstocks since their warming claim fell apart.

another scientifically ignorant person. for all of you ranting against Barbara Teacher...I am Canadian and now live in Mexico. I have seen incredible climate change in both countries in the past decades, as have people much older than me. However, I prefer not to rely on anecdotes. I read science, unlike most people posting here. (except drewmeister and chris - who seem to have a handle on knowledge and do not disparage it as most others do).

While people like me who trust the climatologists wait for people like you to be convinced of climate change, the world burns around us and it will become too late. America is quickly becoming an embarrassment of a nation, and I'm embarrassed at how my country is handling this critical issue. Our inaction and lack of leadership on this issue is a disgrace to the people who fought and died for this country, not the signing of any kind of deal that would help us to fight this.

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Yeah, they changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change when the earth stopped warming in the past few years. The charlatans had no choice as they were set to become laughingstocks since their warming claim fell apart.

The charlatans are still alive and well, bitching about the facts that global weather change is here, man made, and they are too ignorant to wrap their brains around it.

Chris D ----------- A weak response is worse than no response at all.

Ignorance and bitching is the inability to face reality.

Too bad for you, Global Weather change is here, its real, and it man made despite all the ignorant nay Sayers.

The information about ice ages is easily available if you look for it ... they were mostly caused by slow cyclical changes in the Earth's orbit and axis tilt, but feedback from naturally varying greenhouse gas levels also played an important role. Research has shown a positive correlation between CO2 and temperature going back hundreds of millions of years. (See the article on Science Daily, for example.)

Scientist have proven all those millions of cars 10,000 years ago caused that ice age too?

As if the ignorant people here need a story to say...see?

Anecdotes and ignorance, that all we hear here from so many.

Global Weather Change is real, its here, and it man made.

Get over it and start to repair the damage we have done, or buy a house boat and shut up.

Confusing natural cycles with man made events asks a lot from any thinking person.

They want to know, are you for real.

My guess is we only had 10,000 cars back then so it took a little longer, and today we have millions?

I am consistently shocked at what people like politiciansallsuck choose to get angry about.

The climate email crock was a fake scandal financed by Americans For Prosperity (backed by fossil-fuel interests). YOUR ANGER IS MISGUIDED! We're drowning in debt, so why don't we cut the 1 trillion dollar luxury military budget we have? Would you be OK with that? Because 100 billion to help the poorest nations (the ones who did nothing to cause this looming climate catastrophe) seems like THE LEAST WE CAN DO. We have some nerve to bitch and complain about this deal that could have HUGE benefits for the planet and for our own well-being.

You need to really research the facts. Climate change is real, and if you understood what will happen if we allow it to go unchecked, you'll be getting angry that not enough is being done, just like I am. Because the consequences of doing nothing about this are nothing short of terrifying.

Yes, $100 billion more for another 100 Solyndras. Oh let me guess, that's another conspiracy created by big oil right? Look at our current aid handouts, pennies on the dollar reach their intended destination. A lot of it goes straight in to the pockets of corrupt dictators and bureaucrats But you moonbats will continue to bury your heads in the sand and pretend that isn't happening. Since when is national defense a "luxury?" While I agree that our overseas involvement is contradictory to US interests its obvious that you just want to squash our entire armed forces. What a loon.

First you say climate change is "real" then you say the poor nations had nothing to do with it, as if they're still living in the stone age with no industry or vehicles whatsoever. In another post you called America an "embarrassment of a nation." Are you reading what you type? You couldn't be a bigger hypocrite if you tried. The fact of the matter is you hate America and everything it stands for. I'll tell you what, why don't you make the biggest contribution you to the radicalist tree hugger movement and just disconnect from the grid and go live in a hole. You rotten slimeball.

As a Soldier, even I can agree with cutting a little fat from the military budget Zach. What I can't agree with is giving 100 billion on top of the hundreds of billions we already give to nations and causes world-wide. The poorest nations on this planet are that way for a reason. The monies given to them go straight into the corrupt leaderships pockets and some may trickle down to those who need it most.

I will not accept that it is the United States of America's fault that these countries corrupt leaders fail to bring prosperity to their nations and people. We may be a major contributer to global pollution, but at least we are activley engaged in attempting to find a solution. Much more than can be said about China, India, Russia, and a good majority of the "poor" countries some want to send our hard-earned money to.

Matt-343495

Looks like the governments of the world found the most gullible generation in history.

No, just pure ignorant comments given by deniers.

Thank god no one takes them serious.

unfortunately, they still vote for corrupt politicians :(

The Alarmists will be out in force crying , the sky is falling , the sky is falling. Any treaty must be approved by the Senate in order to be enforceable. Even under Clinton the Senate would not vote to join Kyoto. They won't vote for this giveaway either.

I am completely depressed by reading all of these comments from misinformed deniers. The public perception in America that global warming is a myth is dangerously strong. Have we become so selfish that we're willing to believe such a dangerous lie in order to appease our most ignorant and selfish desires to do nothing about such a critical issue? Make no mistake about it: climate change is real, it's happening, and if we continue to dick around and do nothing about it, we are headed for disaster. What's even more tragic is that, a mere 100billion from ALL developing countries would help these poorer nations adapt so much better, yet people are bitching and complaining about EVEN THAT! These people have DONE NOTHING to put the majority of CO2 in the atmosphere, and we have the nerve to not only deny it's happening, but to object to the funding that they could really use to help protect themselves over the coming decades? BE ASHAMED! ALL OF YOU!

gary-309869

The Alarmists will be out in force crying , the sky is falling , the sky is falling. Any treaty must be approved by the Senate in order to be enforceable. Even under Clinton the Senate would not vote to join Kyoto. They won't vote for this giveaway either.

We will chip in and get them some beach front property.

Obviously, not many of you have looked at a satellite video of the arctic and antarctic lately. You would not know that they are shrinking and therefore the oceans are rising.

Check back with me when you guys are floating under water and that's no conspiracy theory.

Good idea Chris, I'm in as long as there are no returns!

We will confine them to house arrest.

That's the problem...they won't..but we will, and we will give away our money to feel good. When our own population is being screwed so bad.

Why does our own government hate us? Makes you so sad.

geography. specifically resource management. you cannot pump hundreds of mllions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere year after increasing year and still say "it's a natural cycle." we are in an inter-glacial period. things should be getting colder, not hotter. watch the winds brother. they will increase. it is the effect of temperature differential. duh. science.

You are correct, barbara. It should be getting colder. Much, much, much colder. By dumping massive volumes of C into the atmosphere, we may save the planet from the next deadly ice age.

lol..and santa is real?? c'mon. Not everyone here has the intellect of a child. Even if you don't think their typing is great..lol typing deosn't make the man. Sense and life experience does.

The warming of the globe would be a salutary development. Our civilization today is based on the warming of the earth that has occurred withing the last few thousand years. If the earth had not warmed life as we know it today would not exist. Warmth is life , cold is death. Before the warming that allowed our present life style the earth was in the midst of an Ice Age. Glaciers extended from the North Pole down into the United States and covered portions of it with up to a mile of ice. The history of the earth demonstrates that Ice Ages come and go and eventually we will be the victims of another one. Accordingly we should do all that we can to stave it off by keeping the earth warm.

STOP DEBATING CLIMATE CHANGE! Think of it this way. Would you rather live in a place where you can hardly breathe (hmm like China perhaps) because of all the pollutants in the air or in a place where the air is clean? @!$%# the people who think we can dump all of our waste into the air, water and earth. I guess it's ok for the older generations because they won't have to live with it as long.

exactly!!

A few really simple facts.

1) There is really only one sky.

2) There is really only one ocean.

3) There are not any close planets to move to if we mess this one up.

There is already more than enough CO2 in the atmosphere to prevent another ice age.

Well said Logic! I remember being taught the next ice age was on the way as well. Guess they were wrong about that one...

Anecdotes, cant make noise with out them?

unfortunately for you, anecdotes like that ring true. call it common sense. You who sit mightily over me telling me that my sense is worthless..but your is the gospel....lol wow, nice work there brother.

Yeah right, we have some beach front property real cheap.

Perfect for the denier.

You should know that MANY of the things that I was taught in school are now proved to be incorrect or just so much "b.s. ", I am 57 yrs old.

I remember asking my teacher in fourth or fifth grade when learning about the "Grand Banks" off of Canada and I asked her why the don't worry about over fishing and exhausting the fish supply? Her reply was "Oh they could NEVER fish out the grand banks it's just too big". Well, here in the 21st century, the grand banks HAVE been severely damaged and fishing has been severely restricted to the dismay of many people.

SO YES, the things they teach you in school may be incorrect at some future date. NEWSFLASH!

sad when people joke about it.

the u.s. has given over 40 billion in aid to africa since the 60's. does it look any better now? lets start with liquidating your assets and donating them to all the good starving folks, dictators and warlords in africa and see how much good it does.

LMAO..I give up.. I'm convinced we have entered into a period of reverse evolution...and the scary part is they VOTE!!!!

....and the procedes given to the country of Africa.

that said everything...Africa is a continent not a country.

That's not correct. There is little evidence of anything other than seasonal warming on other planets. See the discussion on skepticalscience.com.

nothing constructive to say. nothing can be done. except perhaps eco-terrorism.

George-4115150 Barbara-Teacher,,,I hate to bust your bubble but your science that you keep trying to FORCE on the rest of us is just theory,NOT fact.

Get used to it, its not a theory its a fact.

Not a single Governmental Organization including the DOD, nor any Scientific Agency disagrees that Global Weather Change it here, its real, and its man made.

So because politicians tell us so..it's fact. Don't you see how sideways that logic is?? not talking about the money, but just for a second, can you remember any corrupt politician?? Maybe one that recently got 14 yrs? People can be corrupt, some molest kids...some do worse and kill there own people.. But somehow these politicians we blindly follow????

wow george. are you a reaaaallly oooold man who never went to school or a washed up wanna be who never went to school. or are simply a person - like most - who has never had the misfortune to study resource management. that would explain your - and all the other naysayers' - ignorance.

It is a poor teacher that insults ones students. You started the BS from your first post.

Do you really think your asinine insults changes anyones opinion on climate change??

Here's a suggestion, try links to pertinent information. I actually know the warming effect has increased and

support alternate energy initiatives. Your approach just entrenches people.

first of all - NONE of these people are my learners (we do not use the word "students" anymore, in case you were not aware). This is my free time to be myself - and you??

maybe "entrenching" people makes clearer where the enemy lies. though all are humans with the right to life and freedoms, their ignorance is a dangerous weapon, whether it is used by certain groups or simply causes them to go gently into the good night.

The term student still survives, your learners BS , while PC , does not apply to most educators.

And yes, this is my free time. And I fail to see, how someone calling themselves a teacher, uses insults in debate

in almost every post.

Not exactly effective use of your free time. Since it is so counter-productive.

barbara when you said that you now live in mexico, things kinda started making sense about your stupidity, let me geuss you made the money you now live on in the usa, but are now spending it in mexico... your loyalty shows in your comments. your part of the american problem....

Hmm, Barbara-Teacher , so which sources of power do you support for the future? Educate us......

Just as a test, make them power sources environmentalists have not opposed.

The reason why the Barbara - teacher is not answering the above question is this.

Environmentalist groups have opposed solar power, hydro power, wind power, tidal power as well as the traditional oil, gas and coal concerns.

So the environmental community is so fractured on the subject of power , that there's no power source they will except. They can't get their stuff together, and then blame all those power using other people in the world.

It would be a positive movement if they pursued policies that were the least bit consistent. The world is not going to go back to a camp fire and soft stone on a wall, to communicate and produce.

Chris D, show me a single Government entity that specifically states that human's are responsible for a significant change in the earths weather patterns. You can't. They are all theories based on incomplete data. While we may contribute to pollution, there is no sound evidence that man has caused anything more than a small blip on mother nature's radar.

politiciansallsuck So because politicians tell us so.

Im sure you aren't that ignorant, you meant to say Scientists have been telling thick heads that climate change is real, its here, and its man made, for more than a decade now.

Both the NOAA and NASA websites have extensive articles and data about human-caused climate change. That's two government entities right there.

Scar-414733

Environmentalist groups have opposed oil, gas and coal concerns.

The rest is made up BS, ammo for the Dain Brammaged.

CalSlate ...Chris D, show me a single Government entity that specifically states that human's are responsible for a significant change in the earths weather patterns.

CalSlate

Do you buy your sand by the ton or yard.

There aren’t any scientific organizations that don’t say, Global Weather Change is man made.

Get used to it, your tripe isn’t even taken serious except by the ignorant people who are too lazy to learn anything except more ignorance.

LN .... The United States will borrow it from the Chinese. Where else?

actually, China is slowing way down on financing our debt. Our own federal reserve has been buying it. Not many people really know what that is going to do...it is so bad, if they did, there would be rioting in the streets.

I think you just hit the nail on the head.