It is best to get our troops and equipment out before we NUKE them into hell.

Its coming, News at eleven....................

Good riddens to the entire sh.t-hole called Pakistan. We can the use the moneys wasted on them fools for our elderly and homeless for much needed help!

"Nuke em"? Bull@!$%#! Let's just get out of the Middle East and leave them alone. Same chicken hawks and war hawks----different day.

Two peas in a pod, liar VS liar.

What are we doing about our Taliban, voting for them?

Yup. Time to leave

I'd like to get out of the region as well, but unfortunately we still have quite a few troops in Afghanistan, and I would suspect this base and the supply routes through Pakistan were supporting that effort. I worry for the guys in the trenches. Hope we can get them all out safely, and soon--for their sakes' and the sake of our balance sheet.

It's a political maneuver. Pakistan sacrificed 24 of their own country men for the pretense to oust the US from their country, cut supply routes and thereby (they're assuming) accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan. Once we leave, the Taliban, now in direct negotiations with the government of Pakistan--per the news article yesterday--will be given support by the Pakistani military to retake Afghanistan, ensuring that a Pakistani-friendly government is in place (which is all that Pakistan has cared about from the beginning-- they don't want a hostile nation on each side of them). Pakistan is literally assisting the Taliban's reclamation of Afghanistan for their own selfish (and short-sighted) ends. The quicker we recognize the game being played (and the quicker we cut off the funds that prop up their "economy") the better off we will be. We got OBL. Al Qaida is nearly vanquished. Exit with an ultimatum: any terrorist attack traced to your country will be considered an act of war and we will respond with all due diligence to mitigate that threat. Do not f*ck with us.

We should nominate India for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. India has the population, democracy and economy that deserves it. Plus that would piss off the Pakistanis to no end. It would assure that Kashmir would never be voted to Pakistan.

Perfect. Our work is largely done there anyway, but we do not want Pakistan as a primary enemy. So, accidents will happen when you are aggressive in a state of war. It happened and they are pi$$ed, as we would be. So... change supply routes and close the base as requested... let things calm down for another day. No nukes, no hate, just get out of their face, continue discussions, and wait.

I agree completely, they have repeatedly proven their untrustworthiness, and let's just wait and see who comes to their aid after the next catastrophic natural event such as their last earthquake. Hopefully the US won't yet again be stupid and rush to their assistance. Better off without them, what is the last good thing Pakistan has done for us??? Oh wait, I remember....hiding our #1 Most Wanted and protecting him....for YEARS. Heathen bastards.

I hope someone remembered to bring the checkbook home too!

The last U.S. cargo planes were loaded and took off Sunday from the Shamsi Air Base after the Pakistan government ordered the United States to vacate the base by a Dec. 11 deadline

WOW! That is great! Thanks for "punishing us" Please do that any time again....Very glad to get out of that country.

Pakistan is literally assisting the Taliban's reclamation of Afghanistan for their own selfish (and short-sighted) ends. The quicker we recognize the game being played (and the quicker we cut off the funds that prop up their "economy") the better off we will be

And that is why it took us 10 or 11 years to find Osama Bin L. They knew all along where he was, and yet they kept on milking us for money. Time to end the "Alliance"

We didn't attack them, Shandril. They, or the Taliban, was firing on us and we ordered a strike to stop it. The GPS coordinates were wrong--so it is said--and a mistake was made. However, since they have been in talks with the Taliban for over a month, it seems just as likely that the insurgents were firing from the Paki base. It is hard to know the truth when we get lied to so often--by everyone involved.

To all the right wing racist Obama haters out there, read this a few times !

"President BarackObama stepped up the drone campaign after he took office. U.S. officials say it has produced major successes in decimating the central leadership of al-Qaida and putting associated militant groups on the defensive."

Too bad we couldn't have pulled a "Wheelus" on them.

When we left Wheelus AFB in Libya when Ghaddaffi took over, they were ecstatic that we had built them a nice big base with l-o-o-o-n-g runways.

The last plane took off, and the engineers triggered the cratering explosions that rippled down the runway , destroying it. OOpsie!

Time to start targeting the Paks- they want to shoot down our drones? OK, they're next on the list! No loss there.

Well Al, I guess we should have a big celebration, now that we know BHO did something he was supposed to.

Drone attacks have been successful according to OUR SIDE, although drones have killed many innocent civilians and military people as is the case here which these officials do admit is true. What is fascinating about Obama supporters is that they believe the government officials when their guy is in office, but doubt every word of those same government officials when the republicans are in office. There is term for that behavior. Hypocrites. Now drones are being used for police matters. What next?

@BigAl Las Vegas

This first comment thread is actually ABSENT of any right wing Obama bashing. Perhaps you, like many Libs (incl. myself) are always on the defensive so you must have mistook this thread for one of a million other discussions.

Cant speak for pages 2-4 but page 1 is suprisingly... amazing DEVOID of any (mindless) Obama bashing.

Take your finger off the Anti-Right Wing Copy/Paste Countermeasures BUTTON and speak to the topic. Do you say NUKE EM or agree with Ron Paul?

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-05-05/ron-paul-stop-aid-to-pakistan/

I hope we didn't leave any equipment behind. If it was up to me, if we built the buildings I would have had them leveled.

One of these days we're gonna leave and let these third world countries fight it out between themselves.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Cut Off All Aid NOW" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I sincerely hope they stripped the base bare and left absolutely nothing useful behind for the Pakis to use, including empty shells of buildings! Personally, I think we should have taken or demolished those as well.

To those idiots who are so gung ho to put a finger on the nuke button, you just not only demonstrate your childish ignorance but do not even consider the consequences. Thermonuclear devices equal not only untold destruction to the local populace, but also radioactive fallout carried on the prevailing winds throughout the region bringing even more death and misery,and possibly overseas as well. It would be like Chernoble magnified by an order of 10!. I served 20 years and 2 wars without the nuclear genie being let out of the bottle after WW II. I sure don't want my grand kids to have to deal with it!

Clear em out and on the fly over back home, carpet bomb them with a few dozen nuclear bombs where you think the major strongholds are located. Then you will have complied with the order to exit and attempted to deal with the terrorist...both orders fulfilled.

I am thankful every day that idiotic people like you are not in charge of the military. Honestly, ignorant fanatics you are no better than the people you hate. You're ok with killing millions of innocent civilians to kill the bad guys. Who is that any different from the Al Qaeda mindset, that is ok with killing countless civilians to attack their enemy.

Even worse is when you claim to be Christians and go on about God and call them heathens.

You> BOMB THEM, KILL THE HEATHENS AND PUNISH THEM!

Them> BOMB THEM, KILL THE INFIDELS AND PUNISH THEM!

You're the same. Take a look in the mirror and then grow the hell up and realize that you are the reason everyone hates America.

Wow your post has a complete lack of logic and factual information. How is anyone affiliated with NATO or the ISAC killing millions of innocent civilians?

Keep in mind the Taliban usually are an entire tribe, meaning the women provide care for the men and the men teach the children how to construct IEDs and build suicide vests. I think the ignorance if completely in your corner JFC because nothing that you have accused others of has any real basis in fact.

From the middle east to all thru southern asia they cannot get along, they never will. I say keep bases in where they actually want us and cut off aid to the rest. i have no problem with helping those willing to help themselves and call on us as a country to be friends, but we have enough issues at home that need to be taken care of. We have plenty of hungry and homeless, lets rebuild ourselves and empower ourselves before we spend billions of barrowed dollars on the rest of the world.

STOP THE FUNDING FIRST! Demanding to be paid for cleaning up their own mess / Making a killing on the NATO supply route / Blowing up our assets enroute and stealing our materials / Giving away critical information to our enemies / Hiding Bin Laden in plain sight / Cultivating terrorists against neighboring countries / Giving away our secrets to China / Doing China's bidding while proclaiming to be our ally etc. etc.

Shut down the funding and supply of weapons to this failed state / basket case where there are so many factions that they will very simply self destruct if left along for 6 months

Secure the nukes - secure the nukes - secure the nukes

Put China on notice and STOP this nonsence of protecting and rebuilding Afghanistan while they pander to the Chinese and let them suck up lucrative mining contracts while our boys and girls sacrifice their lives

STOP THIS MADNESS ! NOW !

People are talking about "WE SHOULD CARPET BOMB PAKISTAN WITH NUKES".

You argue that the Taliban are usually entire tribes, I can argue that everyone in the United States is brainwashed croney's of the Military Industrial Complex and thus validate any attacks on American civilians. Derp herp herp. Don't play the retarded victim card if you're willing to sit by and excuse the killing of innocent civilians. If it is ok for us to do so, it is ok for them to do so.

Pick a side of the fence. Either killing civilians is wrong in any situation or killing civilians is right in any situation. You cannot have it both ways.

JFC, I agree with you 100%. K.J., second paragraph of 1.25 describes you perfectly! Thanks for proving my point. I'm willing to bet you never spent one day in a military uniform, let alone a day in a war zone! Grow up!

How about pulling all U.S. military personnel and foreign aid from the region and redeploying these resources along the Mexican border. How long do think the rampant drug smuggling and killing would last with troops on the ground, planes, helicopters, and drones in the air? We would still save billions and if American soldiers have to die, at least it will be defending "our" border and protecting "our" citizens!

When you mentioned third world country above, I was wondering how you asses that; have you actually been to all 50 states in the USA? have you visited any of the 3 million living invalids from our military, begging on lawns all the way up and down west coast for any help, just go to city hall at SFO--every day for 40 years now, and hundreds of other cities, I have seen it hundreds of times all over, even in Seattle (wet and cold)?--never mind the tens of thousands sitting in VA government paying 10 cents on the Dollar mental hospitals!, but they are called heroes, and they are, but this third world country treats them like they do not exist!--So let us get all of them home and stop fighting other peoples wars, so our friends and families can stay normal, and keep all their limbs, and all these losses just for a small chance to steal the worlds oil reserves cheaply, making it look like we want to show how brave we are--those days are over we now live in the moment, look at your cell phone. When it comes to money to Pakistan US is only a small portion of the money they get, same in Iraq and Afghanistan--try to follow other than Fox news will you, so you may actually know something factual!

Let us put all of them to work on making and using hydrogen for energy, and stop the dirty fossil fuels!

@theboys That is hilarious! You mean exactly what all the Bush supporters have been doing since DAY ONE??? It's ridiculous for you to put a comment like this up here. When Bush was in office, everything he did was "patriotic" and if you didn't agree, you were anti-American. Now when the "other guy" is in there, everyone on the right wing side has NOTHING good to say. Hypocrisy is a HUGE 2 way street and the right wing has been on it for a very LONG time!

Wouldn't it be nice if we could dispense with all this partisan crap and instead deal with the problem? Claims that Bush ruined everything are wrong. Claims that just by the force of his personality that Obama would make the USA loved again are wrong too. The firefight that left 24 dead Pakistanis might be the proximate cause for Pakistan to then order the USA to leave the base, but the fact that our relationship with Pakistan has been deteriorating for the past couple of years is, I think, irrefutable.

We need to be involved within Pakistan precisely because the American left will not proceed ruthlessly against out enemies, and we do have enemies in Pakistan. Many on the right that reply we should just nuke them are just as irrational. We can't let Islamists take total control of Pakistan so long as there is anything we can do to stop them. Radical Islam WITH nuclear weapons would make pressent day Pakistan look like Switzerland.

So we aren't going to nuke them, and shouldn't. But we should adopt a more Machiavellian approach. Someone above wrote that if we are attacked because of Pakistani complicity or acquiescence (my words) that we would/should unleash a massive retaliatory strike. This is a good policy. But why wait for an attack when our enemies are gaining ground inside Pakistan today? Targeted assassinations are a start. Political/religious/intellectual leaders that foment hate for the west and want to use Pakistan as the next launching pad for radical Islamist war ought to be targeted.

Leaving Pakistan entirely virtually insures that our allies (what few might be left) will lose, and our enemies will win. Relying on India to deal with and contain the problem is a fantasy, and wouldn't be the mark of a great country anyhow. This is our fight, and we need to deal with it directly.

Colorblind-2498596

We didn't attack them, Shandril. They, or the Taliban, was firing on us and we ordered a strike to stop it. The GPS coordinates were wrong--so it is said--and a mistake was made. However, since they have been in talks with the Taliban for over a month, it seems just as likely that the insurgents were firing from the Paki base. It is hard to know the truth when we get lied to so often--by everyone involved.

What's the odds? Our concept of the truth is that "our military said"--therefore it's true. Did we, as US citizens, patent the ability to tell the truth?

I agree with you--we get lied to all the time. 10 years in wars and they're looking for another war to replace Iraq.

Either killing civilians is wrong in any situation or killing civilians is right in any situation. You cannot have it both ways.

Fallacy.

Correction: "Killing civilians is right in some situations."

Like stopping the genocide of several million people (WW2). Sometimes the greater good is served when the few are sacrificed for the benefit of many. It also doesn't help when you are fighting an asymmetric force that utilizes civilians for cover.

Oh hell! Lying, counter lying, it's all a part of war, just like everyday life everywhere. The problem here was; the Paks caught the Americans grinning when they apologized for the "so called mishap".

We don't need to do anything except pull all of our troops and funding. They'll eat themselves alive.

Obviously the Pakistani president was going to have some kind of reaction. If he had done nothing, he wouldn't be in office much longer. The leaders of that country have to save face, and make sure the finger is pointed at anybody but themselves.

JesusFChrist shows that there is sanity left in America. Although, very limited in numbers, there are logical and educated Americans out there. Thus, there is still hope. Most people on this board live in the fantasy world (or trailer parks) where you can nukes countries of 170 million with nukes of there own and large armies. Mostly very funny comments...

Patriotic American U.S.A., the avatar is gorgeous. Just beautiful. Tasteful. Thanks!

Huum... out of Iran - in three years. Not bad. Another Campaign promise kept.

How about that.

AZDADDY: Agree with you. For blackmailing and backstabbing, nuke the Paki militant and nuke areas.

Also kick out all Pakis, curses on earth, from the US soil. They are Trojan horses waiting to strike us.

Yes Washington bureaucrats have not learned the "Throw the Money At It" lesson for years. Foreign aid, education reform, you name the program, chances the Federal Government has failed by throwing more and more money at it. I was watching Nat Geo this morning, they were talking about the King of Cannabis, a guy from Holland just selling the seeds, (not illegal except for USA). It also said the the US government had spent over 2 Trillion dollars since the late 60's trying to control the proliferation of drug use. Seems to me that is one of the biggest throw your money at programs ever.

They say the relationship can be mended, I hope not, the money runs out then it all starts over again BS cut and run. we give them millions a month and they use it to buy Chinese made weaponry. how much of that money gets into the hands of the Taliban? who paid to build that base? we are better off getting out. If they dont have us to fight they will fight each other and we can sit back and watch.

Sounds like you favor them over us. There's no doubt that we make a lot of mistakes and that we shouldn't be the worlds watchdog or police force, but then who would you rather have in place us or iran or the arab zealots.

I would rather see the united nations do what it was formed to do. It is not our (americas) job to police the world and this country will go broke just trying to do that.

I don't remember reading anything about stopping financial aid to Pakistan. I certainly hope that's the case. Anyone know for sure?

Do you all think foreign policy is so simple? You certainly post like it is. I am not an Obama supporter for many reasons, but dealing with foreign countries that do not speak our language, have different cultures, and inbred biases, cannot be construed by anybody as black and white.

Newt said something last night regarding Palestine that was interesting. His words regarding their statehood last week supposedly incited those in the ME that now say more terrorists will be created by what he said. His response to George was "how would you be able to tell'? So he was saying if the US coughs the wrong way the ME threatens more violence. He has a point.

If we give billions to Pakistan they will still hate us. It is clear they have no interest fighting terrorism. When we didn't bother to let them know about taking out OBL, we had to have known the aftermath would prove to be disastrous for the US and it is. Yes, Pakistan was shielding OBL. Does that come as any surprise to anybody? And yet, we still pretended we were fighting on the same team. Maybe Newt is right that it is about time we called a spade a spade.

Newt ain't never been right about anything in his lifetime.

Yes, Mr. Burk. We can kill civilians of a sovereign country from their own soil and if they complain then they are the "bad" guys and untrustworthy. Nice!!! I wonder why people hate us. Makes no sense!

It was most foolish to have the fountainheads of Islamic radicalism and terrorism, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as allies and throw tax money and soldiers for them.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the root causes of all problems (economic, high oil prices, terrorism problem and more) on earth.

Punish them mercilessly.

First cut off all are relationships with them. Then nuke where required.

They (the Pakistanis) are most likely giving a lot of that cash to the Taliban to use (buy arms and ammunition) against our troops in Afghanistan. The folks in D.C have had their heads up their arses for so long that they can't see what is happening.

The thought was if the US doesn't give the money, then somebody else will and Pakistan will be giving them their allegiance. So we tried to have a footprint in that country in order to have some sort of influence.

Again, I think the decision to kill OBL by entering a country without permission will be a decision we will forever regret. The short-term success will be replaced with much bigger issues than an old man sitting in front of a camera trying to be relevant.

the boys - Ever since the assasination of bin laden, I have wondered if we (the world) would have ever known about it if the gunship hadn't crashed on site. You know, no real proof we were there, just let everyone speculate.

Also watch how Pakis and other Muslims, who hate us, sneak into the US, Britain and European nations.

Their criminal Gen Mush is hiding in London and his son is in the US.

Hey dim wit, the apology has already been given, by NATO. I guess you seem to think that foreign aid to Pakistan started with this President.

Don't let any facts get in the way of your hating.

Agree, tax weary1, let's help them to get there with a little nuke present to eliminate further dope crops for a few hundred years.

So, in your mind Stone Age is something bad!?

GDvegas- Yep, that's the answer ....they don't see things OUR way, don't do things OUR way, f' it - nuke em. Yeahh, you are the ohh so bright dim wit. "They", amongst others, also have nukes. This isn't Iraq. How long you think YOU will survive this world if Washington actually followed your arrogant elitist BS advise?

Mike, tw1 said "another apology"

Mike, is it necessary to call other posters name? Obama is in a pickle that he created. Decisions have consequences. OBL should have been taken out by those supposedly shielding him. Instead the Chinese came and got the helicopter and now Iran has a drone. So we may have won a battle but getting OBL, but we are losing the war.

Hmmmm Mission accomplished OBL dead and that battle won, unfortunately we lost the use of the bases in Pakistan, now the war there and in Afghanistan is now likely lost. Booted out of Iraq at the same time so it seems policy of appeasement to our friends in the Arab part of the world have failed. Mission accomplished eh?

Yes, I have to agree completely. They may not even have reached the point of embracing the idea of the benefits; considering the long social and religious history in this part of the world, even now in the 21st century, these societies can't abandon their core beliefs no matter what. Elements of their belief system are still active from the 5th century.

@ Burk; This is why I said "parts" of the ME, because someone like you would come in and get technical, I even went back and added parts of the ME, but you say I said Pakistan is part of the ME, to most it is. But this I never stated.

I have corrected many, and I am never mean about it like you, do not let others ignorance rise you to sarcasm, or make you wait to ambush it in an evil way. Correct nicely, use tact.

Coral -Yes dear.......... ( is that better ? )

@ Jurk; No sir it is not, feel again. And even presidents have reffered to Pakistan, as being in the "greater Mid East" Although it is actually part of Asia, most consider it Middle Eastern.

Sorry Coral - Try this instead , WAHHHHH ! LOL

@ burk; Yes that is much better.

What a douche...

j burk says pakistan is not in the ME. Can you read a map j burk?

Jim...get a world Atlas please....it's not.

Of course, Christians in America have disowned all of their primitive beliefs and practices, too, which is why millions here believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old; that dinosaurs rode on Noah's Ark; that birth control is a sin; that the Constitution is of divine origin; that a 2,000+ year old book contains all of the answers to social problems of the 21st Century; that 70 million guns in the hands of citizens prevents violence; and that they can create world peace by waging war against anyone who opposes them...

Yep, we have come a long way in America compared to those "primitive" folks in Islamic nations...

Who the hell cares? Burk, you are a pompous @sswipe and have no reason to insult people like you do except that you get off on being a jerk behind a computer screen. Get over yourself. Express your opinion without the name calling and sarcasm.

Yes Shandril, America has come a long way, too bad you missed the ride. By the way I am one of the 70 million and violence somehow seems to avoid me.

Much of that part of the world, doesn't want to join the west - ever. Their world is working for them from their perspective. When things get scary, they revert back to those mores that they are more familiar with. So I am saying perhaps they just plain do not want change. Generally speaking fear motivates hatred. Maybe our version of the future isn't so appealing?

@J Burk

Before you chastise someone on their lack of knowledge you might want check out your own information. World Atlas seems to disagree with your post and perhaps you owe Coral an apology.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/menewzz.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/me.htm&h=461&w=463&sz=57&tbnid=AXmFJrxX1-3u5M:&tbnh=84&tbnw=84&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMiddle%2BEast%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=Middle+East&docid=uHH-htZjVM7FWM&sa=X&ei=0TDlTvfMBOTniAKSkvS2Bg&ved=0CEoQ9QEwAg&dur=7703

Someone above stated that pakistan wasn't in the middle east but it was in Asia.....That is so funny when people correct people but they don't have a firm grasp on it themselves....The Middle East by the way is a part of Asia too and the Middle East is a losely defined " Region" you would only be correct if you said something like Pakistan is not in Africa or Mexico is not in the Middle eastern region....But I do agree pakistan and afganistan are not in the middle east region...But they are heavily involved in Middle Eastern affairs....

Old Pilot you kinda beat me to it..

Old pilot, check again, it is NOT part of the middle east. Many TRY to include it, However it isn't part of the middle east. Google again and read the rest of the sites.......

Hopefully we destroyed any improvements we made to that shi*hole of a base before we pulled out.

Colorblind-2498596

Who the hell cares? Burk, you are a pompous @sswipe and have no reason to insult people like you do except that you get off on being a jerk behind a computer screen. Get over yourself. Express your opinion without the name calling and sarcasm.

Colorblind - You are the Hypocrite of all Hypocrites. You tell me to express my opinion without name calling and sarcasm IN THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE AFTER CALLING ME A POMPOUS @SSWIPE ??

LOL - you are so typical.......

J Burk,

Soon we will have to change the name of our country to UAH. United States of Hypocrites.

I like the Google comment. Can we get the Google Street View with craters too?

Ray if you are to old than shut your mouth..I am a 99% er also a veteran of the U.S. Army and I am unemployed at the moment...Am I too worthless to get a job?

I wish they do so, this might give Pakistan an excuse to throw us out completely and an excuse for us to cut all kind of aid to them.

Why did they leave all those functional buildings and landing strips anyway... they should have been blown up before we left.

BTW, US did not build that base. It was a fully functional Pakistani base leased to one of the small Arab countries in the Gulf which, with Pakistan's permission, lent it to US.

This notion that "terrorist" can cash in nukes is a hoax by our government to make us believe our existence in the hole. If we can not get hold of their nukes, how can the "terrorist", unless you are telling me the "terrorist" are smarter then us.

Exactly Dusky, just more neocon fearmongering.

The terrorists already have the nukes.

Colorblind - You are correct, we, the US of A do have nukes.........

burk...I am truly sorry that you feel that way about America. For all our flaws, I still believe that we are the greatest nation on Earth and I have been to other nations. Terrorist? Really? You are entitled to your opinion, but there are a lot of brave young people that have provided you that right. Maybe, you would be happier elsewhere.

simple cure for that lar, just dont let anyone from those countries into ours. deport all the people back to their countries. let them know once you get your stuff together and can act decent you can interact with the rest of the world. untill then you are on your own.

start drilling our oil and stop drilling theirs, the money you save from no more foreign aid to them, you can stick into engineering and science devolopement for alternate energy. i bet in the long run it would be cheaper over all.

Dusky and Kilobyte. The government is out to fool you that the terrorists have nukes. It's all a big conspiracy, just like the banks, the fed, the politicians, corporate America, the Military (saracsm added). It's all a big conspiracy, so put on your tin foil hat and climb into your old car with all the bumper stickers and peace signs and head for the hills. That is the only place THEY cannot get you.

JBurk If you think the US is a terrorist state, you have no choice but to renounce citizenship or join OWS.

Colorblind Good to see a great American. I fought for this country and risked my life so that we can all have free speech, no matter how whacko they are. This is truly the greatest nation in the history of the world, and no terrorists, China, or whacko conspiracy nuts can change that.

Thank you for your service, Lar....and the nice comment. I appreciate the sacrifices you and your family made so that we can keep the freedoms we treasure. Those like you are our greatest treasure and I wish they would all come home safely, knowing that will not happen.

Yes if an American believes the US is a terrorist state, he/she should renounce their citizenship. Then in some twisted dementia moment you say OR... join OWS implying they are also Terrorists (anarchists?)

Schizophrenic moment passes and then you express how important free speech is to you no matter how "whacko" those exercising their rights may be.

Perhaps YOU should borrow a tin foil hat from Dusky or Kilobyte

adidas

You are right that I should not lump terrorists and OWS together. As much as I don't like OWS, they are not terrorists and have a full right of speech like every American. I don't like their aimless protests and disregard for the law, but I very much believe in free speech. You caught me in a blunder. Sorry.

I support OWS and I am a veteran of the U.S. Army....Does that make me a terrorist?

I mean if you wanna get technical you could say this country was founded on terrorism...The first few battles and many others in the revolutionary war we used terrorist tactics on the british so what is everybodies point on this ? We have won the war against al-quaida or however you spell it so we should come home re-evaluate our military and do some seriuos re-aligning and down sizing to save money...We are going to need it going forward to rebuild the nation just as we did before and after WW2 to climb out of the depression..

Obama/Biden 2012 Clinton/Biden jr. 2016

Colorblind — I also did over 20 years in the military, (E-7 USAF ). Thus, you can take your insinuations and pack em where the sun don't shine. I ALSO have earned the right to voice my opinion.

If someone speaks the truth then you tell him to pack up and leave. What BS is that? We are Americans too. What Pakistan has done to you? Was 911 done by Pakistan? All they have done for past 60 yeas is support US in every forum. Was this war even possible without their support? You people have lost all senses. Pick a book first time in your lives and read the history for past 60 years to figure out who has been a friend and who has been a foe. I think this board has been infiltrated by Indians who are spewing hatred against Pakistan with fake ids. Americans are much more sensible then the goofs who are posting here. Just my opinion which I am entitle to just as you.

@Lar - thanks for owning the discrepency you didnt have to do that (here on newsvine). I too apologize for being especially snide or snarky in my remarks.

Roger Mathew

I think this board has been infiltrated by Indians who are spewing hatred against Pakistan with fake ids. Americans are much more sensible then the goofs who are posting here.

So you caught that too!

Appears to be quite an organized group with fake western sounding names...seen almost on all boards around the world. With the same anti-Pakistan hate message, as if Americans are their stupid cat's paw.

NewsVine is just one platform. As soon as there is an article about Pakistan out they come out of the wood work, and are all over it.

But must give them credit for the global effort...can't just be individuals. Too much of a tag team play.

Really? India does not even have border with Afghanistan.

We have no border with Pakistan, Irag ,.......... p-)

We also need to tell them that the money we have given them needs to be paid back, with interest in 12 months or we will be back to get what is ours. After we bomb them flat. :-)

Old Guy — keep dreaming, toll somebody pinches ya and you wake up. Nevermind, that ain't gonna happen.........

Maybe he listened cause there is over 170 million of them Paki's, and they have Nukes, and many paki's live in the USA?

Because he apparently didn't have enough sense to not authorize military actions and missions that the Pakistani's considered invasion of their sovereign territory. Perhaps now he will have enough "since" to stop military and economic aid to them.

Douglas — And a drone attack on their Military is not "an act of war" ???????

Last I checked sending a drone into a country without their approval is also considered an act of war.

Dear Doug,

Your logic is so twisted I can't even stop laughing to comment.

Douglas Murray

Personally I would support a bombing campaign against Pakistan I really wander why they think they can boss the United States around. They supported the American War on Terror yet they lost what a total of 24 soldiers during this campaign.

Actually in this war Pakistan has lost over 3500Military men, and senior officers including a general. In addition Pakistan has lost over 41,000 of its citizens and 65Billion in infra-structure. The latest loss of 24 soldiers were the last straw.

Specially so, because in their assessment of the incident they have concluded that this attack was deliberate and was repeated over two hours by NATO while in communication with their Pakistani counterparts.

Wow they do not have the guts or stomach to go to war with America. They do not realize that if they shoot down any one of aircraft whether it is a drone or not it is an act of War.

Yes they have the guts and you better believe it. And they do have the right to defend their country and have consistently and repeatedly demonstrated their ability to do.

NATO has drawn first blood, committed the first act of war. In fact it has made over three hundred deadly intrusions into Pakistan and have slaughtered thousands of women and children in their homes. On average fifteen civilians killed to get one Taliban.

Further, to date, Pakistan has lost over 250 of its military and security personnel to NATO 'friendly fire' incidents over the past years. Pakistan has been keeping score...and the red line was crossed by the killing of these 24 soldiers who were deployed at US request.

And you appear not to know this but Pakistan has an excellent very effective air-force with tested superior prowess against the Indian and Israeli air forces. While the US undoubtedly has superior technology, Pakistani fighter pilots are second to none in the world in their training, daring and precision.

Their physical abilities: Reflexes, oxygen deprivation and G-Force tolerance ability, all regularly tested, are superior to any other air force in the world, including the US. The average qualifier score of the Pakistani pilots is only marginally less than the US 'Top Gun' finalists. Even their female fighter]pilots tend to meet these exacting standards but for ground attack only, not interception.

Pakistani military has now been given the authority to shoot down all intruders at will - you may now send what you got and test out your boast!

To late, another mindless bottom feeding liberal has been conceived.

pete...I really, really like that idea. Practical and not over the top.

It would be naive to think that US is dolling out billions for nothing in return, and that included both Bush and Obama admin. Here are couple of simple facts:

Pakistan has an army larger than ours in Afghanistan posted to protect the Afghanistan/Pak border, and that does not come for free.

US uses the Paksitani infrastructure to transport 40% of its total supplies to the troops in Afghanistan. There are other routes but they are significantly more exspensive and also require dependance on our buddy Putin.

A lot of people seem to think that US is doing a favor to Pakistan, no government is that stupid, not even ours!

nato is a worthless in-effective organization. They we're to start with, the are now, and they will always be. They couldn't operate in any form or sense without the US doing yoeman's work and spending billions. We need to get away from them and the United Nations and let the chips fall when the a--h---s fall flat on their face.

thomas...In theory, I totally agree, but you do remember McVeigh, right?

Amen to that.

Totally agree! Leave nothing but the $hitty dust!

We cant even get the Mexicans sent home and they live right next door.........AND, there are more of them, you would think that would be an easy task.

Why bother; they dig tunnels faster than we build fences.

Just hire some illegals to build the fence... aren't they are always looking for work?

I could stop the mexicans. And i would have done it years ago.

Leave the middle east,and deport all muslims.I dont hate anyone but muslims and christians are like fire and gas.Youll see the future well have many problems because of muslims,just read about europe. Vote for Ron Paul!

The USA needs to take care of and also educate it's own. The proof of this are in the post's above mine. LOL

GTR5 - Why stop with Pakistanis, while we are at it, why don't we do the same to Indians and Chinese and other big minorities ... after all they are taking up all of our jobs at a time when the unemployment is running in double digits.

They get most of the jobs cause they don't complain and just do it.

If whining and complaining was a job nearly all Americans would be Millionaires.

We can deport all Muslims from USA as long as US will receive all Christians from Muslims countries. The number will be close to 500 million. Are we ready? Another stupid trailer park goof throwing stupid ideas.