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Abul Qaqa, a purported spokesman for Boko Haram, said the terror group was “giving a three-day ultimatum to the southerners living in the northern part of Nigeria to move away”, the English language Vanguard newspaper reported.
The group has been linked to many attacks on Christians, most notably the bombings on Christmas Day killed 49 people, most of them at a Catholic church as services were ending.
Nigeria’s 160 million people are divided between the mainly Muslim north and predominately Christian south.
Qaqa said Boko Garam wished "to call on our fellow Muslims to come back to the north".
The BBC reported that Nigeria’s president, Goodluck Jonathan, declared a state of emergency on Saturday in parts of four states hard hit by violence blamed on Boko Haram.
It said Mr Jonathan vowed to "crush" the group, which he said "started as a harmless group" but had "now grown cancerous".
Human rights activist Shehu Sani told CNN that the latest Boko Haram threat was credible, but many Christians born and raised in the north have nowhere else to go.
"The killings will continue," he told CNN, adding that the state of emergency and an enhanced presence of the security forces would not improve the situation, alleging that troops had already been involved in human rights abuses and had done little to reduce violence.
David Cook of Rice University, who has studied the rise of Boko Haram, told CNN that "if radical Muslim violence on a systematic level were to take hold in Nigeria ... it could eventually drive the country into a civil war."
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Happy New Year to you too Muslims from Nigeria. We couldn't accept anything less from you. Unbelievable how these people have nothing positive to add to a new year, only death and destruction. I'm sure their country will continue to prosper with this kind of mentality. Ignorant Sons of Bitches.
One could argue that Christians are the same way.
17 million killed "in the name of Jesus Christ" throughout history cannot be wrong.
--A proud atheist.
The way(Sons of Bitches) u said that really wasn't right and sounds selfish and is doubly wrong if you claim a faith.
Political scientist R. J Rummel of the University of Hawaii calculates that during the 20th century alone, war and civil wars cost about 38 million lives and state sponsored persecutions, mass murder and genocide account for 169 million victims. Many at the hands of great athesits like, Hitler, Stalin, Moa, Pol Pot, etc.
Regrettably, many who perform acts in the name of Jesus Christ know nothing about his teachings nor are they his followers.
-- A proud theist
Hitler was not an atheist. He was born into a Christian family but began to distrust Christians as a form of social decay but he was not an atheist.In fact he was obsessed with religious artifacts and collecting them
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081114035659AA03V8t
That what I cal "Religious Discrimination" at the "basest" level ......... and showing the importance of our Constitution on our society..........
Matthew-3581715
So what's your position? They deserved it? The old "I know I am but so are you" argument?
The Republicans have tried to justify their barrage of hate media by saying the Dems do it too... lame argument and no where near the same level of hate... just like today with Islam compared to Christianity... a VERY uneven terror intensity at the moment.
@Matthew - Two Atheists, Stalin and Mao killed more than that between them. Don't make me go into the long list of Atheists who murdered millions...
@Joe - He very much was an Atheist. He renounced his upbringing. Here is a quote from Hitler ""The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
While Hitler was seeking power he embraced Christianity in his speeches. After election, he showed his true colors.
Christianity and Islam cannot co-exist on the same planet;one or the other must go, I vote we decide that Islam should not co-exist with sane people. (also Judaism, Hindu and Buddhist cannot co-exist with Islam)
If Islam is the religion of peace, as our muslim brothers and sisters here in America say, I will believe them when their Imams come out tomorrow morning on the Today Show with Tom Brokejaw and tell their bretheren to stop with the threats of violence. As supposedly An Imams decree is a step below an Ayatollah's regardless of where in the world they are. And when we see mass rallies for peace in the streets of Dearborn, Mi. tomorrow afternoon I will believe ALL the stories they try to convince us of.
@EricF, I am sure it will come as a great surprise to all the other non-Christians religious people like the Jews,Hindus,Muslims, ect... to learn that they are Atheist.
Good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things regardless of their affiliations.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, not the lack of morals. Our moral compass is as universal as our body language- we don't need outside help to be ethical and kind. Some atheists are probably not great people. The same goes for Christians, Muslims, or any other religious (or non-religious) group.
Atheism, is a lack of belief in all gods. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is a lack of belief in all gods except the Abrahamic god (plus their religious texts). Nobody perpetrates violence because of something they don't believe in. People perpetrate violence because they believe passionately in something (and are willing to kill to get it). As history tells us, religion has often been that something.
If you're angry because you value your religion as something noble and dignified and feel attacked by the idea that all the attention goes to violence perpetrated by others in the name of that religion, fine. I probably would be too if I identified with any religion. But don't project your baggage onto atheists by pointing your finger at dictators and implying that their terrible actions were caused by their atheism.
You guys can think what you want, but regardless I will continue to value my integrity and ethics without needing religion as a moral life jacket to tell me what's right.
there has no relation to religions for me, In my point of view, it is in the state of mentality, intellectual capacity and most of all is the result of mixtures of incompatible GENETICS, or DNAs,
it is in the blood characteristics that no one can tell, that a person with this kind of DNA's has a twisted mentality. that even his /her self know nothing what he is doing. or I read a long time ago, from one scientist, most of human being are having insanity, or level of insanity.
Some said like Democratic form of government can be achieved in a short term, it is a long process, means first the government of any form that will transform to democratic government will experiencing a process that will took centuries.
Harley Mike,
My first reaction was...crickets. Chirp. Where is the outcry from peaceful Muslims? Your reply summarized facts succinctly. Thank you.
At a government level, if there is no requirement that religion and the running of the country need to be separate you end up with using religion as a means to amass political power. this is not Islam vs. Christianity (or Judaism or Buddhism or.. whatever) it is one group looking to amass political power using the religious fervor of its followers.
Oh the huffy puffy Muslims on on the warpath again.These conquerers by the sword,These mass murdering Muslims in the north of Nigeria,.But surprise for you..if you attack any Christians we will decimate you .Learn to co exist or it`s curtains for you !! Israel .India., Thailand, Phillipines and Europe and the U.S.. all victims of Muslim terrorist s will get you .You are out numbered and out gunned.Stop your pyschopathic killings or its "adios muchachos!!
@Matthew - Two Atheists, Stalin and Mao killed more than that between them. Don't make me go into the long list of Atheists who murdered millions...
Stalin and Mao were not professed atheists, they were just evil tyrants who had no regard for life in general.
Atheists have morals those 2 did not. so your argument is based on a self identifying falsehood.
Who cares what you believe in or not, we'll find out soon enough or not!
Do on to others as others do on to you. keep it simple.
Stay there and stand! It's okay to die for GOD, don't renounce your faith or relocate.
Muslims hate everyone, we all know that, let them show the world what they really feel and let's get past this peace loving Muslim concept, it is flawed and Peace is not something Muslims want at all. We need to love them just as much as ourselves, pray for them and ask GOD to move in their lives.
Peace and Goodwill to all
"but many Christians born and raised in the north have nowhere else to go."
Muslims are acting crazy!
Non-Muslims in their nations give ultimatums like this to Muslims, how they will feel and what will they do?
If Muslims don't show sanity, non-Muslims will give them back with interest.
There are limits to all madness in the world.
Just recall how the commie madness ended!
Maybe Boko Garam should focus on all the cattle thieves who murder innocents and e-mail scammers who prey on idiot's; to bring a little legitimacy toward their group. Otherwise they are just another radical religious group waiting to shepherd the brainwashed youth into strapping on explosives to get their virgins.
Does anyone or any country understand the word tolerance.
If you don't agree does that give anyone the right to take a human life?
If your not being threatened or attacked why kill??
Sham on those in the world that find justification for taking human life!
What God would want any of His children to suffer let alone be slaughtered??
Don't know why Earth's people refuse to believe that Islam is a relegion that promotes violence and radicalisim. If they wanted to stop all the violence directed outward, they would. But the Muslim people will not stop it for thier own sakes. They must agree with what is being done in the name of their religion. Therefore they are turning into an enemy of all civilized free people of the world, not just Christians.
Their leaders preach violence, kill people, still have barbaric laws, and are a plague to the stability of the entire Globe. Anyone who thinks its their job to impose their religious beliefs on everyone in the world, need to be killed. Maybe put some dead pigs and pig blood everywhere. Maybe that will get the message across to all these idiots.
Better yet, drop a ten megaton nuke on mecca. Vaporize their whole cult in one big bang.
DANANGEL.....
Under any other curcomstances, I'd calll you Insane. However.... Your idea is valid, would make the world a much safer place. Your on my A List buddy....
Unfortunately, you would miss a majority of them.... Like they all live in Mecca!
Does anyone know why Columbus was commisioned to search for new land? Figure that out then see if what you say will do the job you think it will.
a hint:
Constantinople
And I don't want to help you with the gazillion dollars you want to send me, because you are some wonderful Niger barrister or government official, that wants to get your money out of the country. I think the whole country ought to be made in to a parking lot, dotted with pig farms.
HAHAHA!!!!
Meanwhile, Atheists, Agnostics, and scientists everywhere are shaking their heads and laughing at this "holy war".
Yeah, just as they did at those famous Christians Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.
Stalin started the abolition of any religion in Russia and Pol Pot killed anyone who was religious or educated. Apparantly you don't know a whole lot about history.
I know what you mean... I really can't stand anyone who is intolerant! ;)
And doing nothing to stop it. Fool.
NVArt... read again. It's called sarcasm, in reply to the supposedly open-minded atheist. Don't be a dolt.
>Stalin started the abolition of any religion in Russia
Just because it intefered with the official faith in Marxism-Leninism. Lenin was proclaimed omniscient, and Stalin - his prophet.
Matthew, if you're such an atheist, why do you seem to keep defending Islam by bringing up and belittling Christianity. Seems to me you're actually taking sides.
I agree totally!!! Let me teel everyone something!!! Christians are Not affected by Athiests!!! If anything they PRAY FOR THEM, EVEN THE MOST VIOLENT RELIGION OF ALL-MUSLIM!!! I am not a Cristian, athiest or muslim, I have my own beliefs but for GOD SAKES PEOPLE leave the Christians alone and stop hating and killing each other.
Really? You actually believe anyone is laughing at any of this? People are dieing....and you find it amusing..... You are pathetic.
I'm glad you're taking ownership of Christian Hitler's horrors. Given that he was a proud Catholic, professed his Catholic faith on every possible opportunity, and signed Nazi Germany's very first treaty with the Vatican, you don't really have much choice do you?
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." -Hitler, 1922.
Stalin was also a seminary student. The Russian Orthodox Church to this day produces religious icons with Stalin's image on them.
@RealWorldProgressive- I am just wondering where you get your "facts". Hitler hated Christianaty, thinkging it too Jewish and that it drained warrior spirit of the "Germanic" race. You bring up the treaty with the Vatican, well it did not stop him from murdering hundreds of priests in Poland and other nations his forces overan. But you really top your self with your statement on Stalin. Any one who claims that Russian Orthodox Church would put Stalin image on an icon does not know first thing about that Church or about Stalin. Stalin murdered tens of thouthands of Russian Orthodox priests, took away Church's property, and closed thier institutions. He was to the Church as close to the devel as they could imagine. Oh, and to be put on the icon you have to be a SAINT. What part of Stalin's life qualified him for that? And in case you are wondering I am not even Christian, just some one who reads.
The fact that anyone would laugh at the loss of human life tells a true tale of the moral defect in Human beings...
God Bless us all
In spite of yet another example of Islamic ideology, we still have delusional leadership like Ron Paul, and Barrack Obama that claim all we need do to solve our problems with them is make friends with them. It's so sad that a message can travel around the world in a fraction of a second, yet that last 1/4 of an inch between the eardrum and the brain might take an entire lifetime!
This may be hard for you to believe, but being rational with irrational people can break through their insanity and moderate their emotions. The Koran does promote killing of infidels, and every Muslim is required to memorize the Koran, so it keeps perpetuating the fear of obedience. It took time to rationally moderate Christianity from its murderous superstitions, and it will take time to rationally moderate Islam from its murderous superstitions. It takes courage to confront religious rage, but giving in to fear is the effect that those who incite terror want.
dls, So your advice to those Christian Nigerians is to just sit tight and serve the radical muslims tea when the show up to murder them?
dls-387641,
Great point, but it is necessary to qualify - the Bible shows Christ came to save (not kill) the Gentiles and even God's chosen Hebrews had to accept Him for eternal salvation. The Koran says good Muslims can kill infidels. Big difference: historical Christian superstitions to murder were man made and not founded in doctrine, like Islam is.
See you nay sayers. We told you about Islam and what is going on here. AND STILL there are people on this vine who want to switch it around onto Christianity and religion as a whole and divert the attention away from the subject. Atheists and Moslems are out in force on these vines lately. Don't anyone let them drag you into a debate, or put you on the defense about Christianity this time. STICK TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!
Jesus said: Overcome evil by doing good. I think this is good advice, and I'm an athiest. Jesus also said, If anyone have something against you, go make peace before you bring your offering to the alter. I'm reading the Koran (in English) to see what it actually says as I suspect it holds to the Golden Rule like other religions. I suspect that Nigeria is driven more by historic tribal rivalries than any devotion to religious ideologies.
Only a fool follows a fairy tale. What a brainwashed little darling you are. Such conviction and certainty...
Atheists are not a threat to Christianity as most of us believe it is your inherent right, as well as our own to believe or not. Just don't bill me for it.
On the subject of encroachment of extremist Islams holy war against us all, including all other faiths around the globe, Understand this. WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE !!!
Now I will pray for you just in case I am wrong ((( )))
Actually, face, you missed the point. Nigerians who are not Muslim are being slaughtered or threatened of further slaughter, and instead on this vine it turns into another debate about Christians and atheists such as yourself. It gets completely diverted from the article. It's happening every time now. Like Sonar says, in this we are all on the same side. You are either too dumb. or self absorbed to see that!
@dls: keep reading & you will find that the Koran demands that it's adherents beat their wives as it pleases them, to lie to "infidels" (anyone who is not a mulsim) about muslim agenda, & that it is their duty to kill all infidels wherever they are found".
Stalin wasn´t a christian, Soviet communism was decisively atheist and belonging to the Russian Orthodox Church was a "no no" for true Party members.
On the other hand, Boko Garam is just a group of heretics that are hoping to divide the country into North Nigeria and South Nigeria on the basis of religion: they can never hope to achieve power in a united country so they are looking to dominate a region which in turn will allow them to divide the country on the maps. Happened in Vietnam, happened in Korea...will happen in Nigeria.
Happy New Year to all the victims of the power hungry...regardless of religion!
Stalin, who studied to be a priest, suppressed the Russian Orthodox Church and other religions because he wanted a be a cult of absolute power and saw religion as a potential source of opposition. Stalin wasn't an atheist as a theological atheist, he didn't want any other claim to power in the Soviet Union. Atheism is basically a position that there is no evidence for the existence of a centralized universal power in control of the universe. No tyrant could ever claim to be an atheist, even though they dismiss the existence of a religious god. Mortality always disproves the tyrants claim to absolute power. Communism is actually a historical artifact of the Christian Heaven only to be made here on earth. Communism has been anti-religion because religion was viewed as justifying class structure and preventing the progress of the working class.
Good point DLS, I´d forgotten about Stalin´s earlier studies.
I´d be interested to see your interpretation on the Quran as you mention above. I read it about ten years ago and I seem to recall coming away with the idea that Jews and Christians were not bad, just mistaken, while the real enemies of islam were infidels (atheists and pagans) and heretics (those who say they believe but only to further their own goals.
Stay strong in your faith and just ignore them.
Chsman "Stay strong in your faith and just ignore them"
If you accepted that doctrine over there, you might be asking God in a few days why he has forsaken you as you watch your home burn and an angry mob descends upon your friends and family with the evilest of intent.
Although I am a closet Athiest, I do respect your faith deeply. If they were here on our own doorstep being threatened with death, you may wish you had armed yourself when the screams of your wife, sons and daughters become too much to bear.
Sonar, our Bible lets us know to anticipate & accept that many will mock us and we, as Christians, will be persecuted. It is our peace that we know this earth is not our final resting place, but that our Father in heaven has prepared a glorious home for us when this toil is done. It certainly is not in the hope that one day ignorant men would accept Jesus Christ as the only true Messiah. Our Bible also states that, "many will hear but few will listen." You could say we live in the clouds, but personally, I find that this life here is the rarest type of hell. C.S. Lewis is the only author of our time to allude to this fact and he was right on! Thank you for your tolerant comments, it is appreciated.
Ah, Islam... The religion of piece.
Prohibition in the US was a failed experiment of control. (It did not stop Americans from imbibing alcoholic beverages). All of mankind has, for at least 9,000 years, partaken of beer, wine, and alcoholic spirits. Perhaps Islam would not be so aggressive or intolerant if it drank a little wine from time to time! Every civilization has done so! Where do you think Shiraz stems from? Peace brothers (and a good chateau).
Agreed. They need to take a drink once in a while and chill.
Not commenting to anyone on here that posts, but to those who are being threatened or anyone who is threatened for thier Christianity...I will say this...BE strong!! Be faithful!! For you will have fought the good fight...never flee from the adversary, for he has already been defeated, and your reward is great in the heavens. Stand strong and gurd yourself with the armor for, we dont fight against flesh and blood but against the principalities of darkness. Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theres is the kingdom of heaven.. How great is your reward in the end of this fight and battle. Dont be afraid!! God is with you. Amen!! Whoa unto them who kill and are voilent in the heart, for God will surely place judgement upon them!!
By all means, follow a delusional fairytale for some imaginary greater reward after you are dead..meanwhile making those running religious cons rich in the NOW. Human sheeple..Only a fool follows a fairy tale.
The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness. Proverbs 15:2
Following Jesus Christ is in no way a religion...its a relationship :-) Those who think they know more then that have no knowledge of the truth. Therefore its foolish to think otherwise. :-)
Jesus is not the lord of me. So, your name is incorrect.
I am Allah, I command all extremeist Muslims to eat poison.
Organized religion always has been and will continue to be the root of all evil in the world today. The worst attrocities are always committed in the name of organized religion and an imaginary false creator god that manifests himself as a human. When will the stupid sheeple of the world wake up to science and proven fact and stop following fairy tales that were created to control them in a time when people thought the world was flat? Remember that with magical (religious) thinking, things are true unless proven false; ie: "prove that god does not exist" would be a standard example of magical thinking. In the REAL world, things are false unless proven true; ie: " prove I own a lamp shop on Main Street in Boise" which can be conclusively proven or disproven.
Organized religion needs to be taxed and heavily regulated like the business it is. False claims that cannot be proven as fact need to be criminalized. Organized religion is the biggest con and the main cause of all wars and hatred. Ideally, organized religion should be banned, but it is too profitable for those that preach. It is the biggest con of them all.
That so many desperate stupid humans will follow a fairy tale and talk with imaginary friends should be truly frightening to all who have thinking brains. Adults who speak to imaginary friends are psychotic.
Well if you wish to prove things, then prove evolution. I'm not asking you to change a lizard into a goat or anything else you hold faith too. I just want you to create one single living cell. Remember, it had to happen by chance, so it should be no problem to you brilliant people. If it doesn't work, try praying.
Pray for that same cell and see what ends up in your hand. Man has cloned animals from a single cell. Lets see prayer come close to that with any documentation other than a story book.
argues: But the question remains, where did that single cell originally come from?
To Glenn767: In the 150 years plus since Darwin published "On The Origin Of Species" there have been millions (billions?) of facts that support and prove evolution, none that disprove it. Yet only thru "Faith" can you prove a creator, no facts just fairy tales from thousands of years ago. I would challenge your intellegence but your "Faith" answers that question. Evolution won't change a lizard into a goat, it would change a lizard into a more survivable lizard (Have you ever read any book but the bible?). If you can't express it in numbers than it's not a fact but an opinion. You probably don't believe we ever went to the moon.
Science admits it doesn't have all the answers, that's why we keep searching for the positive answer. That's where theories come into play, based on logic and proof. Religion starts with an answer then fits the questions to suit its desires.
Thats how the global warming is man made theory started Argueforsport . You know , YOUR religion .
First of all, I have no religion. Secondly, I believe the Earth goes through cycles and nothing man does short of total annihilation is going to change that. Any other words you care to try putting in my mouth?
Face the Facts hits the nail on the head. Organized religion is not good for anyone except those with little free will or intelligence. Tax organized religions land holdings at a level that makes God unaffordable.
Why is it that "Peaceful, Moderate Muslims" are allowed to even open the door when the next step inevitably leads to this. Time to amend our constitution; our treasured freedom of religion sadly is our weakness.
Where is the U.N. when geonocide, or Theocide? is an eminent.
They should step up to the plate, take the offensive instead of waiting to be attacked and just being there as a witness of atrocities like a useless parking lot security guard, or disband for all time.
The meek shall inherit nothing but death by the borderless "Islamic Empire".
There is no such thing as a peaceful moderate religion. All religions are mind cancer created to control the weak, the needy, the poor and the less intelligent. The true root of all evil.
"Face the Facts", Right on!!!
Should only take one brave person to end the terror and life of Boko Haram.
Oh really! A terrorist Islamic group issues an ultimatum to Christians to leave or be attacked.
I think the Christians should work hand in hand with the Islamic terror group to help them see Allah by killing them off one at a time. In front of their relatives. On pay per view. Allah would want it this way. Really!
It's a win win all around.
I can't believe all those atheists who are so blinded by their hate for religion in general, and Christianity in particular, that they keep on playing with fire. To all those clueless atheists please take heed
Islam punishment for atheists is death, got that.
And Christianity's punishment for Atheists is eternal torment. What's your point?
WOW, we are not talking theology, ideology or any branch of high-brow philosophy, what will happen to you in the world to come is your business, what happens to me and you while we are still in this world is everybody's business.
GOT IT!!!!
In the Middle Ages was Alchristh eliminate the death penalty for any violation of the world church and the likes of Galileo, who was killed and burned to death!!!!
Hatem, that was in the dark ages. The problem is that there are many Muslims who want to go back to the dark ages.
argue.. your name told me all I need to know about your goal, but your argument was so bizarre that I could bot help getting in on the discussion
I am not an athiest, but I have taken much time to to study both the Bible and History. I don't belong to an organized religion. Belief is a matter of faith not blindly following what some Man tells you. If you studied alittle history, you would see that what is happening now has been going on since Abrahm, or did you forget he had two sons, Ishmael and Isac. Did God not tell Hagar That her son would also be the father of a mighty nation. So what we have going on is a family fued in the name of Religion. I quit going to church, after I heard preachers in different denominations, put down the others and say their teaching was the only one to listen to. I have had every denomination Knock on my door, but never a Muslim. Not all Muslims are out to kill us only the radicals. If you would read the Life of Muhammed or a history of what was going on in the 6th and 7th centuries you would Know where The Holy War thing came from. After his death his followers deceided to keep on fighting instead of stop. Many mordern Christian women cover their heads with scarves as well as modern Jewish and Muslim women, only the radicals call for anything more. It is all what you are brain washed to believe in, or forced to!
OK, so maybe you are an atheist with a soft spot for Islam but hate Christianity, that's your choice. But let me tell you, I read the Bible many times and I read the Koran, in Arabic quite a few times. Since you brought up the story about Ishmael, probably you know that while Genesis said that Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac, the Koran said that it was Ishmael who was going to be sacrificed. and that Abraham, Hagar and everybody else were actually living near Mecca. So I guess Islamic misinformation was born with the Koran.
Anyway none of these have anything to do with an Islamic terrorist group bent on ethnic cleansing in the twenty-first century AD in the name of their God.
Coptic Christian
"I can't believe all those atheists who are so blinded by their hate for religion in general and Christianity in particular that they keep on playing with fire. To all those clueless atheists please take heed
Islam punishment for atheists is death, got that."
Yes we understand, and respect your faith. Islam punishment for Christians is death as well. Seems to me we are on the same side.
Let us accept each other even if we do not believe each others faith, or lack thereof. We have a common assailant. If they come, will you defend us as well?
dls-387641 If you truly are reading the Qur'an then there is an important suggestion I need to make. Please don't read the Book by itself. If you use your judgement to understand the Book while reading it you might understand it wrongly. When reading the Qur'an one has to have a Tafsir handy. Tafsirs are accepted commentaries to the Qur'an written centuries ago by prominent Muslim theologians. They comment on each verse of the Qur'an so that you understand the meaning of each verse in the original context. Unless you read it without the Tafsirs you will find what looks like calls to violence and wars against non-Muslims. Unlike the Bible, Qur'an is not just a book you can interpret on your own without proper religious education and qualifications. As far as this conflict in Nigeria goes, it is a tribal conflict. They just wrap their wars in religious wrapping.
Whatever the Koran says it's translation has been lost in poverty, ignorance, racism, freedom of speech and individual thought, violence and discrimination against women, over-population, polygamy, cruelty, intolerance, slavery, ancient tribal grudges, corrupt justice systems, psychopath government leaders, total disregard for science and proven facts...
http://www.qtafsir.com/ here is a good source.
because that is what it clearly states.
What will the world be like, when a child born today,reaches the age of twenty five. Will there still be a struggle (jihad) going on between Islam (dar al-Islam)and the West (Dar al-harb)? the definitions give a clue.
This forces me to raise some most unpopular questions, on some widely held beliefs.While I recognise America is not at war with Islam.
Islam,is at war with disbelief,in it self. Failure to obtain proper and full submission, will end always with bloody results.
Can everyone with a differing opinion, from the "politically correct club", be dismissed as "Faux-News" can you consider yourselves intellectually honest, after doing so?
Muslims are people, who can be, or do, anything they please.
Islam is submission to an Orthodox ideology.It's legal rules and code can be documented.
And critiqued.
source
link one.What will the world be like, when a child born today,reaches the age of twenty five.
link two. Will there still be a struggle (jihad)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha!!!!
Seriously, I recommend every infidel to read the words of the prophet moohhamed. I did and it scared the crap out of me. Every other verse is about death and condemnation of anyone who disagrees. You can find this rambling insanity here:
h t t p://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
First, the idea that there is one monolithic Islam is as asinine as the idea that there is one monolithic Christianity.
Muslims in general bear no more responsibility for Boko Haram than Christians do for the Irish Republican Army.
Boko Haram have not thought this through very well, though. Nigeria's oil wealth is largely concentrated in the Christian and Animist south.
Or maybe they figure they don't need the money. For funding, extremist Muslim groups like Boko Haram can rely on the ossified elite running the medieval theocracy of Saudi Arabia. Our ally.
I have to give it to the Atheists, it takes a lot of faith to be like them. They cannot prove their is no God, so they hold onto evolution with little proof. I would like them to do just one thing, create a single living cell. Remember, under your rules it was supposed to happen by chance. So seeing how you're so much more intelligent than the Christians, ( as stated in earlier posts) you should have no problem doing this. If you can't figure out how to do, trying praying. God has done it many times.
Glenn767, You are a perfect example of intolerance. You insult people like myself for not believing in a book that to us is completely absurd. I am not claiming to be smarter, or more educated than you.
Additionally, you are completely off the subject at hand. We need to stand together during these times. Christian people are about to be savagely attacked by Muslims who are about to commit Theocide, and you want to take this moment to bash anyone who does not adhere to your own faith?
It is like you want to finish playing a video game as the house is burning down. Makes no sense.
sonar guy, you are right we need all decent human beings of every religion Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Baha'i, you name it and yes all atheists and agnostics are needed in this fight.
We must stand against a threat which is more dangerous than Fascism and Communism at their peak. Radical Islam is the most insidious plague the world has faced. Oil/drug money and a backward ideology from the dark ages came together to spread an inhuman message of hate all over the World.
In the West they manage to recruit some open minded liberals and convince them that criticizing Islam is the worst form of bigotry that has to be defeated; even if it means ignoring all the atrocities committed every day in the name of Islam.
The only reason I keep posting on these pages it to try and stop this madness.
Prove it.
I don't believe that what is happening in Nigeria has anything to do with either being Christians, Atheists or Islam. I'm an African and believe that when the power to love and consideration overcome the love for power and dictatorship, that is when we will experience peace, irrespective of our beliefs we all have a place on this earth, let's embrace that
Coptic... While your views are noble the only people usually reading these news articles are Americans or fellow western culture nations who share a similar view. You need to post your comments on the Arab news site if you really want to be heard.
VeniVidiVici, thanks for the advice. I am also engaged in discussions in Egyptian websites, and I have been following this argument on both sides of the language divide since the Church massacre in Nag Hammadi in January 2010.
On the other hand, there have been quite a few Muslim apologists who are engaged in an illogical propaganda campaign to whitewash Islam on this page, and I can not let them get away with their blatant lies. This propaganda machine is losing tracks as more and more vicious attacks by radical Muslims happen almost on a daily basis.
http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/05/9984385-5-dead-others-wounded-in-nigeria-church-attack?last=1325820006&threadId=3312691&sp=0&pc=25#last_1