ok folks! It's time to realize tht Al-Queida will always try to invade countries in the Middle East that are in trouble. Many people in the Middle East need to start realizing that they need to get organized and start taking these groups themselves.

The US can't run to rescue them every time that Al-Queida takes them hostile. We should probably have a group of specialized militia that will train the citizens of the Middle East in how to defend THEMSELVES.

Please do not expect us to run and rescue you every time. The only thing that the US can do is send drones, and sometimes those kill innocent people.

The United States does not have the luxury of allowing radical extremists to follow their own agenda. We also inhabit this globe and it matters very much to US what happens on it.

JK-4363698:

This is not "radical extremists", it is better to describe them as Islamicists. The imperative to make war against the infidel (Kufr) is clearly mandated in the Koran (Qu'ran) and Hadith. There are multiple examples in the time of Muhammed and his followers, of the execution of these doctrinal imperatives. The idea is to provoke an enemy with an attack, then when the enemy responds you can claim a defensive war.

Americans shouldn't take it personally. They are hated and targeted, not because they are Amercian, but because they are an infidel nation with power.

In the battles against the Byzantine Greeks at Yarmuk and against the Persians at Qadisiyyah, the early Muslims overcame the superpowers of the time. The Christian and Zorastrian regions were transformed to Islam. The Coptics and Syrian churches are vestiges of these defeated cultures. The inspiration for the attacks was the doctrinal imperatives to spread Islam in the region.

Even the crusades were a response to the repeated attacks on Spain, Corsica, Malta, Sicily, Italy, France etc. by Islamicists from the 7th century to the 11th century.

Russia China and America are the new superpowers, and the new enemies of Islam.

Al Quaida is not radical, it is faithful.

If my neighbors down the road are fighting, I would not be compelled to butt in . . .

If my neighbors threaten my family, I am compelled to go take them out.

Simple Logic and Logistics

Oblowhole has no clear understanding of the world and it's politics. He's an idiot, that is in over his head, a junior senator that only voted present and a pathological liar

Hate to break it to you but you're the one who has no clue about how Senate voting is conducted. Voting present is a Senate tactic that has been used for decades. It's the equivalent of voting no, and it's used to keep fence sitters from voting yes. Since a bill requires a yes vote to be approved, it effectively voting no.

Not like the facts will mean d-ck to you, but I'd hate for anyone to actually believe you.

Irespond.

Would you rather more innocent civilians die at the hands of terrorist then? It seems you can't understand your position is simply rhetoric as well.

Do you really think these are easy choices to make. I know you understand Al Qaida is a threat to the civilized world. The sad fact is if the U.S. doesn't lead the world does nothing.

Whatever happens in the middle east will sooner or later reach us if we sit back and pretent its none of our business. A good many people don't read history and probably never paid much attention to it in school (if they even teach history anymore). In 1900 americans were saying to themselves that we needn't be concerned with Europes problems, we have this huge ocean seperating us from them. Hell, now you can have a terrorist in your backyard in less than six hours or maybe eight from the middleeast.

Randy

you really think 60,000 people can't defend themselves? lol

It's not that they can't. They won't. They're probably thinking "better than our current gov."

Drop one daisy-cutter on that castle.

In his books , he stated that if the winds change, he'll side with the muslims

Robert is a liar.

President Obama stated that, on the campaign trail, Americans of Arab and Pakistani descent wanted to know if he would stand up for the Constitutional rights of ALL Americans if the bigots in America started a campaign to strip certain ethnic groups of their American citizenship, place tham in internment camps (as was done with some Americans of Japanese descent during World War II), or cancel the due process clause of the Constitution.

Robert – in trying to twist that into some type of global struggle between Chrstians and Muslims, and claiming that President Obama, himself a Christian, is somehow engaged in an effort to subjugate Christians to Islam – is promoting a "pathological" lie.

Robert and the people who voted up his comment should all be ashamed of themselves, either for their naive ignorance in believing a bald-faced lie, or their duplicity in spreading falsehoods about the President of the United States of America.

It's one thing to have a legitimate policy difference, it's another to spread lies and promote ignorance, hatred, and intolerance.

Hate to break it to you but you're the one who has no clue about how Senate voting is conducted. Voting present is a Senate tactic that has been used for decades. It's the equivalent of voting no, and it's used to keep fence sitters from voting yes. Since a bill requires a yes vote to be approved, it effectively voting no.

Well, Chris -

People here are screaming for the U.S. to stay out of other countries' business, and now they're all bent out of shape that Obama is actually listening to them.

Robert-301053 - Said:

Oblowhole has no clear understanding of the world and it's politics. He's an idiot, that is in over his head, a junior senator that only voted present and a pathological liar. He's an embarrasment to the U.S. and the laughing stock of the world!! That is your president, not mine, by an means, way, shape, or form!

Okay Robert. What exactly should the United States of America do here? Should Obama order our troops into a SOVERIEGN Nation? Obama is not the laughing stock of the world. That place in history is reserved for Mr. Bush. A man that led us into a war over lies, money, and deceit.

I am no fan of this terrorist organization, but I am sick and tired of the US Taxpayer paying for it. The world can pony up here. Al Q has been attacking the world for years, and where are they?

1st Jihad (holy war) is the last thing one is supposed to do to defend islam. 2 These people are muslims who are drawn to a very radical not very muslim leader.

Would you rather more innocent civilians die at the hands of terrorist then? It seems you can't understand your position is simply rhetoric as well.

Do you really think these are easy choices to make. I know you understand Al Qaida is a threat to the civilized world. The sad fact is if the U.S. doesn't lead the world does nothing.

As I said before: Go ahead and join the military. Nobody is stopping you and other "happy triggers"from doing so. The last time I looked, nobody is threatening the sovereignty of this Country, but this country IS threatening the sovereignty of IRAN.

al-q has a flag?

If there were al-Qaeda fighting my neighbors down the road, I would join in the fight THERE. It is stupid to wait until they get to my neighborhood so that my family and friends would be in the combat area. This is why America fights wars in OTHER countries. Would you want to wait until they get to America to fight the kind of battles which are going on over there. Let's have al-Qaeda attacking our schools and killing our teachers and children with suicide bombs. Or having to worry about being killed by IDE. Anyone who would rather fight a war in your own backyard is stupid. By fighting in countries where they are, we are keeping their resources bottled up THERE. It is other neighborhood that are being destroyed not ours. While you sit in your recliner spouting B.S., watch the History channel when they have shows about the Civil War and see the carnage that war can bring to your neighborhood. If we were not now fighting over there al-Qaeda would be free to plan an execute more attacks here (Remember Sept 11th.) But since Bush had the brains to slap them in the face and challange them in thheir own backyard, their reputation demanded that they try to win there before moving on. Bush and his Generals knew that the best way to prevent the enemy from comming here is to fight and contain them there.

How telling that al-Qaeda chose to fly it's banner of death over a mosque.

The blasphemers and muharibun like Ayman al-Zawahiri are symbolically claiming themselves to be above God.

Religious and non-religious alike should reject their philosophy that calls for the murder of innocence and it's practitioners who blame God for their own blood lust.

It is not religion that they preach, nor religious civil government, but Haribah. They pervert the Book to support their own evil ends.

Judgement surely awaits them on the last day.

So just bomb the citadel to rubble, and any other building they put a flag upon.

60,000 people could stand up and win but won't

Its like a prison people with the guns run the place.

Finally, someone who knows ALL the history: (from Charles the Hammerhead above)

Even the crusades were a response to the repeated attacks on Spain, Corsica, Malta, Sicily, Italy, France etc. by Islamicists from the 7th century to the 11th century.

The Islamists keep being offended whenever anyone says "crusade" and they keep referring to old, historical battles and grievences. However, they need to go back further where they were the ones invading and (trying) conquering.

The idea is to provoke an enemy with an attack, then when the enemy responds you can claim a defensive war.

The above was the Islamist stragegy back then and still is the main strategy of the Islamists today.

Hypocrites !

I am no fan of this terrorist organization, but I am sick and tired of the US Taxpayer paying for it. The world can pony up here. Al Q has been attacking the world for years, and where are they?

Where are they? Uh, if you read the article they are in Yemen and without shame Al Qaeda is slowing and quietly getting stronger while the US President and the US Government sits back and allows this to happen.

People have to remember that Al Qaeda is not a government. They are a terrorist organization who hates Americans and the western way of life. Its very simple. Unfortunately the US taxpayers will have to pay for this forever because its become worst in the past two years and I don't ever see an end to this.

Irespond,

Take your join the military rhetoric somewhere else. The military is a job, one people sign up for. According to your mentality nobody with a dangerous job should go to work.

Should cops quit because there are criminals in this world? Should firemen stop putting out fires because they might get burned?

Like I said earlier these are not easy decisions, and if the U.S. isn't ready to stop blatant terrorist actions nobody will.

It is obvious that the USA must now invade Yemen.

I so hope that you continue to sell French Fries I will support this time.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/

Now we feel compelled to attack Yemen? Unless you own defense contractor stock, there's no benefit in it for the US. Now we are worried that a one legged one eyed cave dweller is after us. Send Romney's herd of sons after them.

Honestly?

It's this simple. If the "peaceful" wing of the Islamic religion fails to resolve this on their own, then I'm totally in favor al-Qaida doing this.

If you hoist the flag of a terroristic organization over a city - one that is actively at war with the United States - you make yourself an excellent target for missiles. Please. Gather together for us. It'll make our lives that much easier.

Personally, I'm all in favor of turning the Middle East into a giant ashtray with a few well placed nuclear strikes. For all I hear about how Islam is a religion of "peace", they sure don't do a God-blessed thing to control the fringe-lunatics of their religion who use terror as a tool. As far as I'm concerned, if you "allow" for extremism in your religion to flourish, then, by your inaction, you condone that extremism - and if you're caught in a nuclear bomb blast and killed, so be it.

Maybe our "slanted media" just fails to report it, but I certainly don't hear anyone from the mainstream in Islam standing up to denounce the actions of al-Qaida. That equals acceptance of their policies and agenda.

I'm all for live and let live - and practice whatever religion you choose to practice. But when that religion is hellbent on the destruction of me and mine - the time for passive non-interference is over and done.

To me - all of this is Islam's version of the Crusades. One would think they saw how that worked out for Western Civilization and would have learned from it. Obviously, not. I think "we" (counties with a majority of Christian peoples) have granted them (majority-Islamic counties) a pass because we know that trying to force other people to "convert or die" was the wrong thing to do and we feel guilt for our actions... unfortunately, there seems to be no live and let live with the path that Islam has started to take.

I don't want a holy war on our hands - but (fellow Americans) - please tell me how we're not at war already when the central tenet of their religion is that the US is "the great devil"?

Randy-840072....What branch of the military are you in ? How about your kids, are they serving ?

My cousin served in the 10th mountain division who was transfered from AF to Iraq and he was the soldier who kicked in the door when looking for terrorists. He has suffered some mental damage from the war but is recovering from it. My father lost hearing in one ear from being a DI training men to shoot M1 carbines.

My oldest daughter is 17 and I am over the age limits to join.

Your point?

It's incredible to see how ignorant some people on here can be.

If you people are so gung-ho on war, then you should go yourselves, instead of relying on your children and MY generation to do YOUR dirty work. Terrorists pose no legitimate threat to the United States, and until they do, we have no real incentive (aside from allowing the industrial military complex and private war contractors to profit enormously from the spoils of war) to invade ANYBODY.

It's an incredible thing, propaganda is.

And the funny thing to me, is that not only is it unnecessary to go and fight more people, but we can't even afford to as a nation. It's as if you people are so afraid of terrorists, that you're willing for your own nation to go bankrupt in the name of "safety."

Stop living in fear.

I love all these posters that feel you don't have a right to comment if you aren't in the military. If you live in America, and you pay taxes, you have every right to discuss what is being done with your money.

This may come as a shock to some, but a big percentage of the military joined for the paycheck, not patriotism.

irespond-

yeah, I was in the Marines for 9 years, and am a Desert Storm vet.

al kiada (sp) changed the skyline of New York.

we need to stop them wherever we can, how do you not understand that?

If there were al-Qaeda fighting my neighbors down the road, I would join in the fight THERE. It is stupid to wait until they get to my neighborhood so that my family and friends would be in the combat area. This is why America fights wars in OTHER countries

Sooooooooooo.............when are YOU signing up, Bubba??????????

My oldest daughter is 17 and I am over the age limits to join.

Your point?

Tell you what........I'LL put my son on the front lines in some sand goon ghetto seven thousand miles away if YOU'LL put up your daughters. Until then, pipe down.

I'm sorry, WHAT??? No legitimate threat to the US? The embassy bombings, the USS Cole, and 9/11... did you sleep through all those events?

Terrorists pose no legitimate threat to the United States, and until they do, we have no real incentive (aside from allowing the industrial military complex and private war contractors to profit enormously from the spoils of war) to invade ANYBODY

Take your join the military rhetoric somewhere else. The military is a job, one people sign up for. According to your mentality nobody with a dangerous job should go to work

Sure! a job! Most countries have mandatory drafting on their military, starting with Israel.

Until we start drafting people here, people like you will continue preaching "patriotic" rhetoric for someone else to go do the dirty military business of war for others, while you and your family just keep your "comfy" lifestyle without even thinking about it.

Time for the morons in Washington to suggest invading yet another country to "deny Al Qaida a safe haven" - the same lie used to drag the war in Afghanistan for 10 years

irespond-

yeah, I was in the Marines for 9 years, and am a Desert Storm vet.

al kiada (sp) changed the skyline of New York.

we need to stop them wherever we can, how do you not understand that?

Yeah! that happened 11 years ago. You were not the only who served, and many of us lost family members in that dumb, asinine war in Iraq. Osama B is dead. If you want to go and try your luck again, by all means...go ahead....Let's see if you are lucky enough to come back in one piece ,or come back at all.

Chris...........then why not just vote no?

Did I use too many big words when I explained why they sometimes vote present instead of no?

chris from, wherever. if the senate always votes "no" how did we get all the other bills passed before Odumbo the Clown was voted in?

Hmm, I've re-read my post 4 times and still have yet to find the spot where I said they always voted no. Can you point it out for me? It would be most helpful! Or was it simply you didn't bother to read the f-cking thing before jumping into your rant.

Borrow half a trillion from China to invade Yemen? No thanks.

Kill more women and children than Al-Qeada will do if we leave them alone? No thanks

Help Al-Qeada and the Taliban recruit more by invading more arab countries and killing people? No thanks

I'd rather borrow the money to fix the roads and bridges here instead. Please, Military Industrial Complex start lobbying to invade Michigan, we could use some of that Nation building here.

Irespond,

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. However it appears your own opinion is the only one worth value here. Your entitled to your opinion.

Just as you are entitled to show lack of respect for people who have made the choice to serve for this country. Your the reason troops have a hard time when they come home, not because of the "patriotic rhetoric" as you so eloquently label us.

It's one thing to not support a war. It's another thing to minimize the efforts of troops who serve our country. Your why don't you go join the military slogan is old.

HOTTICKET-2304234

who put a coin in your slot?? I was answering someone else's question

Randy 840072 said: "

but then again the USA can't defend ourselves from flaming liberals who want to destroy this country."

I only wish you were in front of me so you could say that again...what a pathetic waste of DNA you are to write such trash. WE LOVE AMERICA FAR MORE THAN YOU EVER WILL BE ABLE TO CONCEIVE Of...its why we fight against the idiocy that those like yourself spew! Get some help -------!

Ok Saudi Armed Forces your up. Time to man up and use all that expensive US equipment you bought.

Actually, getting the U.S. to invade Yemen (or any other country they invade) is brilliant on the part of Al-Q. Rather than fight a war they can't win (i.e. face to face on the battlfield), they simply provoke us into a combative situation they know we can't spend our way out of (easily). War by attrition. By forcing us to spend money they force us into an economic collapse. By hitting our bottom line, they are striking us where we are weakest right now (Sun Tzu logic at its best).

WTF on the training They need the Will to stop al krapo A couple of will placed 98 cent bullets will bring down that black flag fast. If the people do not want to be ruled by al krapo then they need to do something about it is a small way. As this will be impossible for the USA to police unless we just use drones

So how many of them are there? Less then 500 is my guess. kill the top one and when the rest go to his funeral kill the rest of them

The US has been policing Yemen for about 3 years now. It is the the major reason that the military has created secret airbases in the region for drones in the last year.

sadtrich - Why don't you go and peacefully negotiate with the Al Q. You seem to know what is best for the U.S. and the middle east. I would never sleep easy with you around.

Come on in feisty red head and support your muslim cohorts some more.

Special Forces are already in Yemen...

Yeah, no kidding!! A cross-eyed drone could hit that - piece 'o cake!

Yea, I'm kinda wondering why that place isn't a pile of gravel yet, since they were nice enough to tell us exactly where they are.

I'm kinda wondering why that place isn't a pile of gravel yet

Perhaps because it is inhabited by HUMAN BEINGS.

It is one thing to hate the evil philosophy of al Qaeda and to work actively to thwart the evil intentions of evil men like Ayman al Zawahiri.

It is quite another to want to kill every man, woman, and child who inhabits a town that falls under the control of an evil army.

Who is the real enemy? The philosophy (and army) of evil, or it's victims?

Who is the real enemy? Al-Qaidia or the people who let them get away with it? If the Arab world truly despised Al-Qaida they wouldn't exist.

I am not advocating mass murder, it's just another thing to think about.

@commonsense.... Your name fits you very well. Isn't it incredible to see how ignorant some people on here can be?

If these people are so gung-ho on war, then they should go themselves, instead of relying on their children and MY generation to do THEIR dirty work. Terrorists pose no legitimate threat to the United States, and until they do, we have no real incentive (aside from allowing the industrial military complex and private war contractors to profit enormously from the spoils of war) to invade ANYBODY.

It's an incredible thing, propaganda is.

And the funny thing to me, is that not only is it unnecessary to go and fight more people, but we can't even afford to as a nation. It's as if these people are so afraid of terrorists, that they're willing for their own nation to go bankrupt.

Stop living in fear.

So Ayman Al-Zawahiri needs a seal-team-six enima too, eh?

Comin' right up!

common sense-

but an argument can be made that it's reasoning like yours which is why we haven't won a war since WW2. I'm not into warmongering, but complete decimation and rebuilding seems to be the only thing that works. Everyone knows we probably killed a couple hundred thousand Iraqis, and we didn't solve a thing. However, if we had swept the country clean, who knows? (course if we didn't go in the first place it probably would have been better and we wouldn't even be having this discussion).

these little pockets of al quaida fighters have black ops written all over them...

If these people are so gung-ho on war, then they should go themselves, instead of relying on their children and MY generation to do THEIR dirty work.

Hey smart@ss, I went, how bout you? I did 2 tours in the Gulf in my 13 years. Have you done anything other than whine on the internet?

Thought not...

i think u need to move to another country, u seem to dislike this country quite a bit.

Maybe you should move since you dislike freedom of speech genius.

Maybe you should move since you dislike freedom of speech genius.

If disliking what someone else is saying is a reason to leave the country I guess you'll be following your own advice. Commenting on what others have said would be considered freedom of speech also "genius". Do you understand the meaning of the word- hypocrisy?

I'm with Sean, Gabriel. You "love it or leave it" types are the biggest threat to freedom and democracy there is. The very essence of freedom in the United States is that we are able to openly dislike and criticize our government. If you are going to insist that only people that blindly follow the dictates of the government stay in that country; then I would suggest that YOU might be happier in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea or some other totalitarian regime.

It's incredible to see how ignorant some people on here can be.

If you people are so gung-ho on war, then you should go yourselves, instead of relying on your children and MY generation to do YOUR dirty work. Terrorists pose no legitimate threat to the United States, and until they do, we have no real incentive (aside from allowing the industrial military complex and private war contractors to profit enormously from the spoils of war) to invade ANYBODY.

It's an incredible thing, propaganda is.

And the funny thing to me, is that not only is it unnecessary to go and fight more people, but we can't even afford to as a nation. It's as if you people are so afraid of terrorists, that you're willing for your own nation to go bankrupt in the name of "safety."

Stop living in fear.

stop reposting...

damn, I mean seriously gallegos- posting the same thing three times on one page? Do you love to listen to yourself?

Stop copying and pasting the same response Adam. Why don't you post original thoughts/content or get off the vine.

It's incredible to see how ignorant some people on here can be.

If you people are so gung-ho on war, then you should go yourselves, instead of relying on your children and MY generation to do YOUR dirty work. Terrorists pose no legitimate threat to the United States, and until they do, we have no real incentive (aside from allowing the industrial military complex and private war contractors to profit enormously from the spoils of war) to invade ANYBODY.

Here's an original thought: Stop being a coward and enjoy your personal liberty instead of asking the government and the military to protect you from nonexistant threats. Everybody seems to be so ready to go to war, that this is about as original thought that there is.

Saudi Arabia should do something about it?!? S--T, the Saudis probably sent them there! And if they didn't, they almost certainly bankrolled the operation.

You know , George, I can almost see that happening!

We all should know what the Saudis are all about... Don't forget that 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers were Saudis! Also, don't give me this crap that those 15 monsters had been banished from Saudi Arabia, so the Saudis can't possibly be associated with them! I say BS!

Oh yeah, don't forget that the qu eer bushie held the Saudi kings hand too! Wow!

Bin Laden is, er was, Saudi and so is his family. They wanted to defend their nation after the CIA backed al Q fighting Russians in afghanistan. He figured 200 or so of his forces that he had would be enough to repell sadam from kuwait and defend arabia in general... ya right. We well equipped Saddam and Arabi knew this. Bin Laden got miffed when they basically laughed him out (like I would since this is a battle in flat open deserts not mountains where tanks are less useful). Anyway we got the gig to run through Deseert Storm back in 1990-91. This is when Bin Laden took it upon himself to discredit the US and even out right start a "war" with us. Yes they flew planes into buildings... fully fueled large jets... something not considered by building designers. If McVeigh would have realized he could do this he would have done this instead of what he did. It only takes disgruntled people and we're bound to have plenty right here in the good ol' USA... If politicians want to keep incarcerating us we might just have to fight back! Then we're the terrorists and the army can invade the US?

Get informed we created bin laden and then killed him. I know the office of president is afforded more inteligence than you and I reading this board get so I'm just mouthing off no different than y'all

Uh, CG? Al Qaeda is primarily Saudi.

Toasty sandtrich wants you to go negotiate with Al-Q with him, he needs an Ambassador of good will.

I see that no account ban can stop the great "PC101." Do not contact me again.

iraq will never fall to al quada. duh. completely different situation. but anyone still using the 'cut and run' with respect to iraq just doesn't get it obviously.

Sounds like you are blaming our current president for our involvement in Iraq.
Not very intelligent are you?

Dodger, please have your tetosterone levels checked. Your's sound toxic.

Is "Dodger" short for draft dodger there brainless ?

you don't pull on superman's cape.

stop spitting into the wind. By the way, Superman stood for "Truth, Justice, and the American way", in distinct contrast to your post.

dam Japs ... dam rag heads ... dam Half breed Kenyan

Don't sugar coat it. Let us know how you really feel.

Seta is obviously an american idiot. Jackasss like Seta are embarrassing to sensible americans.

Seta...That "half breed Kenyan" you are referring to happens to be the President of the United States of America and his ethnicity is not an issue. Your ignorant post is about as Un American as it can get. Get the hell out of America. We don't need your bigotry and ignorance to poison our freedom of speech. You make me want to puke. Have some respect for the office, if you can't drum up some respect for the individual. On second thought...Where is your proof that we were in anyway "in on it." Site your source. Can't? What a surprise. When you get a degree from Harvard and are duly elected by the majority of Americans as President, then you get to make the decisions. Until then...Go back to your game boy.

vermontguy it is you that doesn't understand. While Iraq may not fall to Al Queida it will eventually be taken over by those who are hostile towards us. The blame may be pointed at Obama but Bush gets all the blame for that one.

Seta I want to know how you can, in any way, put this on Obama. The man called Bush who was also your President is the one that put us over there and created this mess.

commonsense if there was a Superman he would no longer defend Truth, Justice and the American Way as all three have gone by the wayside here in America.

you don`t really think obama would make a decision to end a war,that is a big decision.the war was ended as agreed upon by bush and the iraqis told obama leave.

Drones are a big part of the reason we keep making the issue worse. If you're going to take out these people you will have to send in troops and that will not be pretty. The Russians couldn't it and for 10 years neither hae we.

Yea Streve! A "march through Georgia" would win the war. BUT Winning not what we are there for.

YEAH! Let's kill 60,000 innocent people.

You're a bright one, aren't ya?

let the jews in Israel do it... that's what they do best, kill 'em all! man woman and child!

And...just what do you think we'd find after we re-examined our relationship?

I bet we'd find the same thing......we'll keep kissing their feet for the oil. We'll keep kissing for as long as we don't embark on a Manhattan Project style effort to develop alternative energy. It's well past the time that the oil industry should be told get on-board or suffer the consequences.

Could there possibly be a better time for it....really? Just about everything is in the toilet...we need some massive effort to instill sense of pride and it would kick the Iranians right straight in the bank account!! Much better than another war because we would actually have lasting benefits from it. Just think if all the money and effort we put into the recent wars were put into something for our future instead of our past ...and being done with borrowed money no less.

I totally agree with funding a massive effort to develop alternative sources of energy. The problem would be that after the bill funding such a program made it through congress, half of the money would be spent on earmarks and special interests and the rest of the money would go into the general fund just like the social securities money does. How much money would actually be left for the massive effort? I fear it would be just like social security and fund everything but what it was meant for.

Its trading oil with euros not American dollars is the culprit. We are propping up the worthless American dollar. See the dollar cost more to print than its worth. Why Because of all this cheep money and free money to worthless people and the big banks. If the powers at large can reduce the people to servants to the state complete control can be established. The days of lords and lord ships will return.

The US gets most of its oil from Canada, the US and Mexico. We could be using more Natural Gas, of which we have a great deal more than most other countries, and get rid of the Middle east oil altogether.

Seta...It is a sure bet that you will be in the peasant category.

DelFairchild we will never stop getting oil from the Middle East. The concern is that the Chinese already gets 58% of their oil from there and it is expected to increase to 70% by 2015. If this were to happen then China would have the biggest influence in the Middle East. Something the US doesn't want since China is allies with many of those countries that hate us. Once China is the main buyer of the oil over there then our problems will begin. Thats the biggest reason keep these conflicts ongoing but in the end we will lose out and find ourselves on the outside looking in. China also has probably the lowest fuel prices in the world.

Over react much??

stupid post by patty. How would the military changes made affect our actions here? what does the size of n. korea army mean? nothing.

here's a clue for you patty: the changes made were to INCREASE our ability to deal with small insurgents and terrorists. duh.

If we identified all the "stupid" posts in this comment section, we'd be here for a week. LOL

Patty - WE'RE BROKE. I'll spell it out slowly so it sinks in. We can't afford to be the world's policeman and send 100,000 soldiers in for a decade every time someone raises an al-Quaida flag over a town. This is a job for the Saudis and others in the area to handle.

Next time there patty, just print this over and over. It'll save you some time to clean your trailer:

"I'm a cementhead, signed Patty"

You sir, are an idiot, you know that? If you look at the Pentagon's plan to reduce our military's size, you'll see that it's over a number of years, not in a single weekend.

And just what the hell does North Korea have to do with Al-Qaida raising their flag over a town in Yemen?

Sorry I'm so dumb?

I remember WELL, seeing satellite images in the Afganistan dessert of Al Quaida AND Bin Laden doing training exercises back in the 1990's.

Yemen is a Slow developing threat to the U.S.

I DO agree that the Billionaire Saudis need to start fighting their Own fight and protecting the Arab penninsula!

He!! Yemen...... "accidently" released the USS Cole murderers from Prison.......no problem, huh?

So glad they have thein OWN flag.....we're hardly allowed to raise the U.S. Flag anymore!

If someone is *offended*....it comes DOWN!

I'll bet you don't feel the same way about billionaires in this country do you? You sound like a tea party wing nut. Who is "hardly allowed to raise the U.S. flag anymore"? Get a clue genius.

Patty our problem isn't the military. Its the fact we have people who think we should run off and start wars in the Middle East because we think its right. Bush started all the spending on these wars ad Obama has continued it in other ways. As someone already pointed out we are BROKE and no way is China going to finance our military.

We need learn to control our own actions before we try to fix others.

Patty

Would you prefer North Korea's big army protecting you or our "half sized" army doing it.But I tell you what,why don't you call the President and tell him if he'll not downsize the military,you and the other big military posters here,will gladly let the government garnish your pay checks to make up the difference in cost.I would but after paying for the gas,that Bush's polices ended up tripling,I'm broke.

Tony, Ronald Reagan cut and ran from terrorists.

Toasty - There were no terrorists in Reagan's day they new he would send them to hell.

Beirut, Lebanon, 1983.

Toasty it was a joke, would you not agree that your posts are mostly sarcasm? That being said why do you get to have it both ways? How do you come up with Reagan cutting & running? He had the War Powers Act to consider, something ignored these days. I know, I know, Bush's fault. Never mind Clinton/Kosovo and Obama/Libya and I know you know what I am saying, two sides of the same coin. Hope that is PC enough for your approval, Oh wise one. (sarcasm) I also want to point out I have noticed your comments collapsed by the community in the past, ever have your account banned? Just curious.

We'd love to, but oblowhole has let every other country other than ours to drill for oil. We have plenty of oil reserves in the ground, but he won't let us dril,l against the Supreme Court deciision. Oblowhole lies and holder swears to it!!!! "Another fine mess you've gotten us into Ollie."

Robert I didn't see Bush doing anything different.

I'd say we start by cutting ALL foreign aid to North Africa, The Middle east, and Southwest Asia...NO EXCEPTIONS! Yes....even Israel. If the Russians, Chinese and Europeans want to take their turns....I say good luck to them. Use the foreign aid and military money to build an alternative energy program. Our current energy plan isn't doing anything for us except to weaken us to the point where we will eventually be too weak to develop an alternative energy plan.

Robert...Freedom of speech comes with a some responsibility to use it wisely. "Oblowhole" is not using it wisely. All of the stupid names that people come up with for our President and his family are childish and negates any valid point you may have to make. Why? Because you sound stupid as soon as you start name calling our President. I am not a supporter of most of Obama's policies, but I sure as hell am a supporter of the United States. Maybe, you should stand in Yemen and think up some cutsie little name for Zardari--Let's see how brave you really are.

johnnyt Russia and China would have much better success in the Middle East than we have had. That is the main reason we keep looking for reasons to stay there. Once China China is the dominant player in the Middle East we will be in deep trouble. People think gas prices are high now they haven't seen anything. It is predicted that China will import 70% of Middle Eastern oil by 2015 which would not bode well for us at the pumps and in the region.

TC....you've just made my argument for me. Where is the logic in waiting until we are too weak to do anything to help ourselves? All the chicken-hawks around here keep thumping their chests and calling for more war that will only have to borrow more money to fight will only keep us at odds with the people who are lending us that money. They want the oil......let them have it......after we have made it a much less valuable commodity to US. Iran gets stopped just about dead in its tracks when there isn't any market for their most valuable product.

I'm thinking we are at least 40 years too late. To wait any longer seems like foolishness to me. People are worried about capitalism and how to make money off alternative energy instead of recognizing the dangers of not getting it implemented.

TC, I don't hear anyone lauding Bush as the ideal president either. Saying Obama's policies are the same as the last moron who was in office is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Colorblind-2498596

Yes freedom of speech does come with responsibilities. Why is it is any more wrong to call the president Odumba or other names that I've read on here than for teapartiers to be called teabags etc. Same question for the names republicans are called.

johnnyt

Drilling for more oil in the USA will not lower the price of oil in the USA at all. Oil is traded on a world market and that is where the prices for oil are set. Oil companies can choose whether or not to use a well that they have devloped and own to produce oil. Why would they be willing to sell oil in the USA for $40 a barrel when they could charge us the world market price at over $100 a barrel? The only way we could really change gas prices at the pump would be to build more refineries here in the USA. Unfortunately, that is something that those on the left have not let us do for more than thirty years, pushing instead for alternative sources of energy while at the same time not funding the science and equipment for such a thing.

Benjamin Franklin.....You have completely missed my point.

OIL is the problem! The quicker we leave it behind as an energy source the better off we'll be. It's a fairly decent lubricant and a base for chemicals, but I am convinced that it is folly to use it as a energy source.

I can't help but wonder what a trillion dollar plus (the very low side estimate of just the two most recent wars have cost...not including interest) R&D project could have produced. In today's dollars the Manhattan project would have cost 246 billion. That was a virtually taking some basic ideas and turning them into an entirely new energy source.

I'm saying .....instead of wasting ANYMORE money buying a product that finances our enemies (Iran for instance) and makes our major business competitors (China for instance) richer and us poorer by borrowing even more money from them to fight wars, we should be in a Manhattan Project effort on alternative energy. This will be more beneficial to us than using energy, money and lives to continue with obsolete thinking. We will have to make the transition....why not do it while we still have enough where-with-all left to do it on our own terms.

I agree with you johnnyt that we need to get off of the oil teat. I don't think that the government doing it is the answer though, more like they are the problem. The left likes to enact social programs that while helping some also make the general public more dependent on the government. that dependence also means control over people. I doubt if they would part with that control easily. The right identifies more with big business and money. Big business makes us dependent on products like oil or food and we have no control over the prices of such. The right also would not part with that control over us easily. This is why I say the government is the wrong entity for alternative energy. It is not in either controlling party's interest because they would lose more control of us.

So what is the answer? I think the people themselves will have to fund the research into alternative energy themselves. Imagine how much money could be raised if every working person in the USA voluntarily sent $10 in to a fund for such a project. The problem would be finding an honest person not affiliated with the right or the left to manage such a fund and keep fraud and other misuse of the fund under control. Any products developed and patents issued would be owned by the people of the USA. Each citizen would get an equal share of any profits for the rest of their lives. Just an idea.

Ben.....It's been almost 40 years since the first oil embargo and it doesn't look like we are one inch further now then we were back then. What's the problem? Why haven't we moved away from oil?

You say government is the problem, I'm not so sure. It might just be the PEOPLE in the government and the amounts of money and support they receive from the very industries that would be forced to actually compete for their market share once the ball got rolling. Remember...a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. As long as we have moneyed interests throwing up road blocks we'll never get the first step in.

If we tried using your idea of each person sending $10 on a voluntary basis what do think the very greatest amount of money is that could be collected? I did a quick check and there appears to be around 140 million workers in the USA. If everyone sent $10 we wouldn't quite get to 1 1/2 BILLION dollars. That is probably just a little less than we spend on imported oil EACH day. I can conceivably see that much being spent just trying to get the lawyers on retainer to fight the oil companies!

That's the reason it has to be a national security issue......it's the only way to get it on a fast track to get any kind of return on it #1...before the country goes broke, #2....before someone else figures it out and we're left standing in line just like we are for oil.

Business has had 40 years and they aren't interested in doing anything much more than futures speculations, so it's time for the government to step up and take charge of our energy independence. I'd find the most educated, out the main stream kookiest person around to be in charge of coming with a workable plan. And....just to head off the Iranians or ANYONE else from that region of the world that might have ideas about dealing with our scientists like someone did with theirs....provide that person with a security detail at least as good as the Vice President. That's only one little obstacle that will have to be overcome before anything like energy independence will ever be attained.

It just isn't possible for some inventor like Tesla or the Wright Brothers to make a breakthrough and bring it to bear fruit on that level in the age we are living in.

No it doesn't. One post on here says we can wipe them out in a week. Its funny we haven't been able to do it in 10 years so now we are to believe we can do it overnight. As bad as Washington is its a good thing we don't have some of you in office or we would already be learning Chinese.

I believe the inference is that now that Al Quaida has a formalized "home" and isn't fighting asymmetrically anymore, that we now can pinpoint them on a map and destroy the site from afar with ordinance. So your point about a 10 year war doesn't apply. No one is suggesting nation building.

Yes the implication is morally debatable, I'm not defending it, I'm just tired of reading TC's Argumentum ad misericordiam correlating the Iraq war to the destruction of this little outpost.

We could wipe out the town in ten hours. What can't be done in ten years, or a hundred, or ten thousand, is wiping out an abstract noun like "terrorism."

No Toasty - It is called keeping the enemy on defense. The takeover of this Yemen town proves what happens when we don't have enough offense. I think that being said though that it is time for these middle east countries to fend for themselves and we Americans start getting used to peddling our butts around town since we won't be able to afford the price of a gallon of gas. Of course we may all be pulling rickshaw's for the Chinese before long anyhow. I don't care though personally, I like being physically fit. Ron Paul for President, hell why not? I like his foreign affairs policy and we are gonna be broke soon anyway so who cares about his economic policies?

Ya got that right!

Dig, Drill and Build. America Energy and Manufacturing Independence.

America First, those that stand in the way are traitors who allegiance is to the Trans National BANKSTERS and their New World Order.

2k...Right on point. Best leave it for them to decide what they want and how they want to live. We tried to drag them into the 18th century, but failed. It is time for the Arab and Persian world to fix themselves...or not.

Bravo-DjDrew,im a big fan of lets kick some behind but in all reality the most effective way will be through intelligance & educating.

Hey DJ201 you can't be on BOTH sides of the fence...either we cut the head off the snake NOW.....or face the consequences later, besides those drones need a little more target practice. Educating people??!! Thats a laugh...every time we educate someone with terrorist ties they wind up back in there homeland figuring how to kill us.

Personally, YES, and that is my final answer asswipe!! I spent 13.5 yrs. in thew Specwarcom and yes, I'll do it. No territory is soveriegn to terrorism, and that means the militant mosques in Detroit also!!!

Steve how can we cut the head of the snake off now when we have n't been able to do it in 10 years? Do you understand the thought process from your brain to your mouth. educating people, yea that is a laugh when can't even educate our own. You keep using the " or face the consequences later " excuse every time we can't think of a good reason on what we're doing and what we have done. These people aren't going to come here unless we keep staying over there. I take it the white man is afraid that are about to experience what we dished out when we came here and did the exact same things they are doing. Terrorist nation? We have been one since our existence and it only grows worse.

I can also point out that many countries are gaining on us in education while ours falls.

TC, see post #16.2 above.

djdrew201 - I don't get your point, cremating enemies bodies and sending them home to their families would somehow scare them but not offend them? but peeing on their dead bodies offended who? American liberals I guess? I just don't get your point. Civilized cremation? for the American liberal's or the terrorist family's? Are you scratching your head yet? Because I am scratching mine after reading your post. Please do not reply I know I did not quote you word for word, but why would I? You confused me enough already.

no, al quada is def. in yemen. It is a different group.

dinan89 - oh never mind..

Michael have you heard about Operation Northwoods??? It might shed some light on both sides of the story :)

They "started on 911" as you said under:

The last President's Regime, including war expert Cheney.

Michael, you have a point. They've been getting into position all over the world for years and now with possibly the election of a man to the white house with an extensive Muslim background, it's the time to strike. Europe is probably to weak now to even fight back.

I'll bet you complained when Bush campaigned with two wars going on? Maybe not.

piss on them, they raised the flag and said they would pledge allegiance to the terrorist leader. Why are the bombs not falling. Let's just give them time to dig in so the job will be harder when we finally do.

Mike & Unbelievable

- Yes lets hit them with a preemptive strike ! Republicans never saw a war, potential or otherwise, that was not a GOOD war right? While we are at it lets take out their WMD also!

I must say you are EXTREMELY DELUSIONAL with a good with a good sprinkling of PARANOIA if you think even for a moment that President Obama is acting in coordination in anyway with Muslim extremists. I cannot let such bogus statements go unchallenged, please provide proof that President Obama is working with Islamic extremists.

Actually I find that YOUR position is rather extreme .....

Obama / Biden 2012