My thoughts exactly! LOL!

All known sites of Iraqi CBRN agents were bombed on the first day of the campaign. So you're not going to find any in significant amounts. Thousands of artillary and mortar chem shells were found. If you read the Geneva Convention not only the agent but also any delivery system for them is considered a chemical weapon. So he did have them.

The newly confirmed chemical armaments are stored at the Ruwagha depot in southeastern Libya together with chemical weapons that Gadhafi had declared to international authorities in 2004

Huh? His declared and undeclared chemical weapons were stored together? Hiding in plain sight? The last place you'd look? Slow media day.

Also note that they were declared, and mustard gas is old stuff of WWI. Mostly sounds like they had empty shells. Shells without agents considered chemical weapons. Also, how is mustard gas considered a WMD. Napalm is worse, and US was using that just a few years ago (if if looks like napalm it effectively is). Mustard gas has been around for ever. Reporting also assumes that the leader knew about it. It is easy to loose things in warehouses.

Iraq has mustard gas. Yeah, what 3-4 shells worth. Mustard is a WMD because the gas moving with the wind can kill too. Napalm will cover only so far, kind of like a big bomb only has so much blast radius.

duh, you could have found those in Colorado and Nevada, US stockpiles loads of them - for medicinal purposes I'm sure.

Wrong country dude. Bush is still on the hook for lying.

Then Clinton (both), the late lady killer Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, John "faux war hero< Kerry infact every other person that voted for the invasion of Iraq lied because they read the same reports and all declared Iraq had chemical weapons. In fact if you look at the photos of dead Kurdish women and children, all killed by Hussein's chemical weapons you'll see that he had them and used them. Hussein invaded another country, used chemical weapons on his own citizens, tortured and murdered thousands and you basket heads still defend him. What simplistic, backward, brain dead, sheep you are.

@ Dexterruez, so sad that someone could fall so far. Unhappy childhood?

Dexterruez,

You do know that you are arguing with children. I will give them this. They don't let the facts get in the way of anything.

You said it Dex. Try this on for size, Don Giacomo:

From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

The president said Iraqs refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons, Clinton said.

Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.

Earlier today I ordered Americas armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces, Clinton said.

Their mission is to attack Iraqs nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors, said Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.

~CNN Dec 16, 1998

Yeah all the BUSH apologist keep your head up your{place where the Sun don't shine} it still doesn't change the facts for the Invasion of Iraq and the disastrous after effects.America lost over 4500 service personnel hundreds of billions dollars of wasted & embezzled treasure,not to mention the hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqi civilians killed and wounded.If the last Republican nominee was in charge the MURDEROUS DICTATOR of LIBYA would still be in power and control the weapons that were just found.The Republicans just can't stand the facts, if its the economic collapse or the failed foreign policy of their last President,their game plan is always the same obstruct and create chaos and then blame someone else.SAME OLE SAME OLE!

First off Dexterruez, members of congress relied on the fabricated information that Bush and his cronies created despite evidence to the contrary. You wan't to blame congress then blame them for being naive and trusting that president.

Clinton may have bombed Iraq but it was Bush who determined (as his god told him to) to invade Iraq. Bombing and committing ground troops are two completely different levels of engagement.

One more thing John Kerry actually served in the military. He didn't go after 5 and 6 defferments.

You'tr not brain dead just sticking you head in the sand when it come to facts.

To0 Dex""

Do you really want to go here ...

Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction.

Origins: All
the quotes listed above are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."

In the section below where we highlight these quotes, we've tried to provide sufficient surrounding material to make clear the context in which the quotes were offered as well as include links to the full text from which they were derived wherever possible.

....http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

smokeinmyeyes - Sounds to me that you like pointing blame at republicans while saying that they are the ones blaming someone else. The words of a hypocrite if I've ever seen them.

To WMG """"

Guess it worked huh..

1998
: Operation Desert Fox
MISSION: To strike military and security targets in Iraq that contribute to Iraq's ability to produce, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction.
MISSION GOALS: To degrade Saddam Hussein's ability to make and to use weapons of mass destruction. To diminish Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war against his neighbors. To demonstrate to Saddam Hussein the consequences of violating international obligations.

. PRIMARY MISSION ASSETS: The operation employs U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps aircraft flying from the decks of the USS ENTERPRISE; U.S. Air Force and Royal Air Force aircraft operating from land bases in the region; and Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from U.S. Navy ships at sea and United States Air Force B-52s.

Desert Fox Target Toll Climbs Past 75 Iraqi Sites (American Forces Press Service)

Desert Fox Air Strikes Continue; 50 Sites Hit First Night (American Forces Press Service)

Cohen, Shelton Praise Desert Fox Warriors (American Forces Press Service)

U.S. Strikes Aimed at Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction (American Forces Press Service)

Saddam Abused His Last Chance, Clinton Says

Transcript of News Briefing by Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Operation DESERT FOX -- 12/20/1998

Transcript of News Briefing by Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Operation DESERT FOX -- 12/19/1998

Transcript of News Briefing by Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen -- 12/18/1998

Transcript of News Briefing by Secretary Cohen and General Shelton -- 12/17/1998

Transcript of News Briefing by Secretary Cohen and General Shelton -- 12/16/1998

By the fourth night, most of the specified targets had been damaged or destroyed and the Operation was deemed a success

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/desert_fox/

To Dex...

Here ya go...and we won't b ring up Laura Bush and michael

Report: Bush Had More Prewar Intelligence Than Congress

By Dafna LinzerWashington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; Page A23

A congressional report made public yesterday concluded that President Bush and his inner circle had access to more intelligence and reviewed more sensitive material than what was shared with Congress when it gave Bush the authority to wage war against Iraq.

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Democrats said the 14-page report contradicts Bush's contention that lawmakers saw all the evidence before U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, stating that the president and a small number of advisers "have access to a far greater volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501813.html?nav=rss_politics

Very long..... Scoll to bottom for Receipts and invoices nof chem / bio US gave to Iraq....in 1980's

Congressional Record: September 20, 2002 (Senate)

Page S8987-S8998 HOW SADDAM HAPPENED

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html

To dex ""'

And who was president when these atrocities were commited....

Fact Sheet

Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor and Bureau of Public Affairs
Washington, DC

December 19, 2003

Mass Graves of Iraq: Uncovering Atrocities

IntroductionThe discovery of mass graves in Iraq graphically testifies to the brutality of Saddam Hussein's regime and the challenges of building a more pluralistic and law-based state. Both the dead and the living are victims of the crimes that are buried in these graves. We cannot bring back the hundreds of thousands of missing Iraqis.

However, identification of as many bodies as possible and accountability for the circumstances of their deaths will enable them to move forward to build a society that respects and protects fundamental human rights and dignity

Most of the graves discovered to date correspond to one of five major atrocities perpetrated by the regime.

The 1983 attack against Kurdish citizens belonging to the Barzani tribe, 8,000 of whom were rounded up by the regime in northern Iraq and executed in deserts at great distances from their homes.

The 1988 Anfal campaign, during which as many as 182,000 people disappeared. Most of the men were separated from their families and were executed in deserts in the west and southwest of Iraq. The remains of some of their wives and children have also been found in mass graves.

Chemical attacks against Kurdish villages from 1986 to 1988, including the Halabja attack, when the Iraqi Air Force dropped sarin, VX and tabun chemical agents on the civilian population, killing 5,000 people immediately and causing long-term medical problems, related deaths, and birth defects among the progeny of thousands more.

The 1991 massacre of Iraqi Shi'a Muslims after the Shi'a uprising at the end of the Gulf war, in which tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians in such regions as Basra and Al-Hillah were killed.

The 1991 Kurdish massacre, which targeted civilians and soldiers who fought for autonomy in northern Iraq after the Gulf war.Opponents and critics of the regime from all religious and ethnic groups were also executed and buried in mass graves. Many of these are believed to be located at or near prisons and former military establishments.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/pressreleases/20031223_Mass_Graves.htm

The WMDs not shipped out of the country before the war started were found, at least according to this:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM

...members of congress relied on the fabricated information that Bush and his cronies created despite evidence to the contrary. You wan't to blame congress then blame them for being naive and trusting that president.

Many of the members of congress mentioned had a job of being the checks and balance to the President. For example, its the job of the members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to review the intelligence groups. They all have top secret clearance and most have direct access to much of the raw data that was available to the President of the United States. The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has 4 sub-committees designed to review the same things. Those sub-committee are Subcommittee on Intelligence Community Management, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Subcommittee on Technical and Tactical Intelligence, and Subcommittee on Terrorism, Human Intelligence, Analysis and Counterintelligence.

The way the process is supposed to work is that the President of the United States wants to do some military objected against another location. He gives notice to the leaders of Congress his intent prior to starting those military actions. He than can start the actions but has 60 days to get 'official' Congressional approval for the actions. If he does not get that approval in 60 days, he has an additional 30 days to withdrawal the military action. During all this time, those committees listed above have a responsibility and access to ALL of the intelligence that the President is basing his decisions on. While they cannot give out the details of that information, by law, they can and are expected to give the rest of Congress their opinion on the validity or accuracy of the intelligence and their opinion is greatly respected in this area.

So to say that they cannot be blamed for the Iraq war is completely wrong. It is THEIR JOB to verify and balance the decisions made in this area. And they have full access to the data at the time. Saying later that a statement like "Well, I did not actually read the report. Beside the CIA lied to me." is negligence. It is on par with your surgical doctor telling you, "I am sorry that I castrated you when you came in for an appendicitis. I did not read the chart. Besides I did not stayed in a Holiday Inn last night."

BTW, while President Bush DID get Congressional approvial, even from those House members who cannto read, prior to actually attacking Iraq. The current President never even bothered to get Congressional approvial for his war on Libya.

I am curious also on how much it is costing the United States on having inspected on the ground in Libya checking these chemical weapons sites. How much is it going to cost the United States to destroy them by 2021 as stated in this article. When comparing the costs of war between Iraq and Libya, are the costs of destroying the chemical weapons in Libya for the next 10 years added in to the equation as it was for the previous 10 years in Iraq...oh sorry, many of you say that Iraq did not have WMDs so there was no cost there, right?

Everyone, EVEN THE US, has chemical weapons. Stop being so naive.

Tommy-boy, I suspect it was charlesfarles who sold the chemical weapons to Libya, yea, that's the ticket, it must have been "chucky" cause he's got that lean hungry look about him, just the kind of guy who'd do that sort of thing. I suspect charlesfarles originally bought the weapons from Chef80, I'm almost sure of it.

These will definitely say "Made in USA" on them.

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"the US doesn't have chemical weapons. Hmmmm... I also believe there really is a tooth fairy too!

... and George Washington never told a lie, America liberated Libya and Iraq and politicians actually work on behalf of the people. Let me save you some heartache RTColorado: there is no Santa, your parents bought you those toys, Bunnies do NOT lay eggs and Thanksgiving is not a celebration of the good times between Europeans and Indians.

Now, if only we can rid ourselves of the thousands of nukes and biologics . . . . .

Biologics were gone long before chems were neutralized.

If some of you were to take the time to get to know the topic instead of just passing along your partisan BS and trying to keep our nation divided, you might actually take the time to help find solutions to problems instead of fanning the flames. In 1990 I arrived on a place called Johnston Island and was involved in the beginning of the destruction of the US stockpile of chemical munitions. As each day passed, barring problems of the then being developed technology, we destroyed more and more of our stockpile. In about 1997, the final munitions were destroyed and the technology was approved as a means to destroy the rest of our stockpile. Since then, several plants were built at various locations as NO ONE wanted to transport these aging munitions to a central location. Now, I'm not sure which is accurate the story, which states that we still have about 10% of our stockpile remaining, or RT Colorado who states that we have now completed the destruction program. But, as Colorado pointed out, it was idiots like some of you, who kept challenging the program and caused it to become years behind. But, in the end it got approved and the program for destruction continued. As for the who sold them propaganda that some of you are trying to spread, it doesn't take a genius to develop these chemicals just a chemistry degree and the precursors for producing them. The trick is development of the means to deliver them. As for Iraq, I would suggest looking beneath the sands in the desert area for some that are buried and in Syria. I'm quite confident that, that's where you will find what wasn't destroyed. After all after DS, we buried tons of equipment so that we didn't have to bring it back and go through the nut roll of getting it past the Dept. of Agriculture.

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Professor-M

"the US doesn't have chemical weapons. Hmmmm... I also believe there really is a tooth fairy too!

Thank Jesus you don't believe in myths.

Greg you sound frustrated with people who are just passing comments without reading some stuff. Well if I read well you did the destruction of similar weapons for the US, yes! There is just this paranoia about weapons of mass destruction that leaders fail to understand, or somehow ignore - with all the challenges the world is facing whats the need for a nation to invest in weapons of mass destruction save for the muscle of it? And once a nation does the investment, who wants to just watch his investment sit there without paying the dividends, not even the youngest enterprenuer. If Gadaffi really had these in the desert, whether he knew or didn't know, he should have been killed the previous year because he wasn't a responsible leader. This planet has more than enough problems created by all nations, like the ozone layer thinning - who else should shoulder more blame than the nations who have launched rockets into air space to put pegs on the surface of the moon and the mars? And now everyone must take responsibility because its becoming unbearable, NO!

And if RT Colorado is lying by saying the process has been completed he must face his lies somehow, or someone will. The US being the largest state (economy, footprint, technology, legislature etc), have no option but to lead by example. The question is what does an emerging leader (or bully is it?) do to emerging threats? Its either destroy outright, negotiate and win, re-strategise and continue the quest.

Nobody in their right senses should defend these weapons or any other similar, whether they were made by a professor or a kindergarten whatsoever. Leaders must shoulder the blames of their respective nations and everything thereof because everyone is growing big headed in their own rights.

Instead of putting more money in exploring the uninhabitable mars and other planets 600 million light years away, its just a rearrangement and reinvestment where someone stole from that is required. No wars, no funny secret missions where some non-existent Osamas are killed are required.

Frikkie, Yes you are correct, I was involved with the chemical demilitarization program and each and every day that went by, I felt that I was doing a good thing for the world in getting rid of them. The most poisonous chemical munition that our nation and others has developed for chemical warfare is VX gas. No, it's not like the movie "The Rock" the stuff will not melt your face off but, it is horrible stuff. In the mid 60s the US developed thousands of rockets filled with this stuff and get this, we never had a system to deliver it! All that money wasted, period. This in addition to thousands upon thousands of containers, mines, artillery shells, and others. Now, to give you an idea about the stuff and how bad it really is, at it's maximum lethality, it takes 1 micro-liter (a drop) to kill a person, that's all. We began the program by destroying the rockets, we had these things stockpiled in pallets of 15 and would move 2 pallets at a time, in airtight containers, through the destruction process. Taken at it's maximum lethality and the amount of agent that was in each rocket, the potential of each load that we destroyed, if delivered could potentially kill almost 1.5 million people; in other words everyone in New York could have been wiped out with what we destroyed in a single day. So yes, this was by far the highlight of my life to date. Mustard gas on the other hand is not quite as deadly, is easier to produce and has been around since WWI. Quite honestly, it's the poor mans/nations big bullet.

I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to your statement that the leaders of the world are the ones responsible for what is going on within their country. That is however, if they are aware that it is going on. I also agree that we have a lot greater responsibilities to the people of our nation than to determine the make up of Mars, which has already been declared as uninhabitable. Plus, as you pointed out, every time we launch a rocket through our atmosphere we are causing immense amount of destruction to it and are subjecting the world's population to increased hazards such as global warming; and yes, global warming is real, has been proven, and if not addressed seriously will cause great problems to future generations. No, I don't have any proof, I'm not a scientist but, I would bet everything I own, or will ever own, that global warming is what has increased the rebellion by nature against the world in the form of increased and more sever hurricanes, typhoons, decreased rain fall and other events by nature.

I'm proud of the effort that the United States has put into keeping it's word to the world and destroying the stockpile of chemical munitions. I myself believe that our next phase should be that we assist Russia and other nations possessing these instruments of destruction to destroy their stockpiles. It would definitely prove to be a better use of our assets and finances than A LOT of the BS that our Congress wastes money on each and every year with their pork barrel projects that line the budget of this nation.

As for those who still have it set in their mind that our nation still does possess chemical munitions, trust me, I know A LOT more about the topic and the realities of it than you and we are abiding by the agreements that we have made with other nations in our pledge to not have these WMDs. I will say however that, that doesn't mean that we don't have everything lined up to create these if needed but, as much a fear and how it is viewed as such a horrific thing, I really don't see our nation or any of the permanent members of the UN Security Council from ever using them. Our means and ability of fighting wars are well beyond having to resort to such an event. Simply put, we don't need them. Keep in mind, we still have Nukes and have never said that we wouldn't use these, just as Russia hasn't, that's why we still have them. But, nations that are trying to exert their power, leaders who are trying to puff out their chests to show how bad their nations are, leaders who are out of their mind (and there are many) and terrorists may find use in these and those are the ones who need to be stopped. This is why the permanent members of the UN Security Council need to work together to rid the world of the possibility of these ever being used.

Finally, yes Frikkie you are 100% correct! I'm fed up with people using these forums as a means to displace their partisan politics that do nothing but divide our nation. I believe that everyone truly has the means to help in one way or another and that is what they should do with what they have gained in their lives. This Republican and Democrat thing has done nothing but divide our nation for too long and perhaps this is what people are looking at. Really, can anyone honestly tell me that our millionaire elected leaders have any concept of what the vast majority of the people of this nation go through on a day-to-day basis? Do any of them have any concept of what it is to live pay check to pay check? Do any of them really care what is in the best interests of the majority of this nation? Answer honestly and I think you can fill in the blank with just 2 letters. All they do is what they can to fill people's heads with what they want to hear so that they can get reelected and fulfill what they desire. All they are really after is to get as much out of this world regardless of the consequences that it has on the people of this nation. If they really did, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in and we wouldn't have people in the greatest and richest nation on the planet who are homeless, unemployed, without health care, and all the other problems that us little people suffer through each and every day.

Well said

Post #6.9 has got to be the best post I have read in over 6 months on the Newvine.

Just like lasers to zap you from space?

I hear the government is stockpiling tinfoil hats..........................they could probably be bought for ten cents on the dollar.

We need sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

The Chemical Weapons Convention does, according to Article 12 issues are raised to the UN General Assembly and Security Council. They give the US the authority to act under UN resolutions.

Riot control are considered chemical weapons when used by military forces under the CWC. Also the US uses chemical agents for research in protective measures (masks, suits, antidotes, etc.). Which is allowed under the CWC.

Clinton had chances to get OBL. If you want to go into history is was Carter who hampered the intelligence community for decades and we are finally fixing. In my opinion the CIA and other agencies would have had a better chance to detect 9/11. Maybe even stop that attack but AQ was resouceful and commited there would have been a 9/11 type event eventually.

BA-2906247 the only real chance at getting OSAMA was in TORAH BORA, the BUSH administration just wasn't interested ,he could care less.remember his words not mine.Yes that Jimmy Carter was just an awful president,every republican before and since was light years ahead,B.S.Mr. Bush was inept as President he and his advisers were given information on the idea of flying planes into building and did not believe or just flat out ignored them.{check the 911 commission report!}

The US does have chemical agents. Link didn't post but go to www.cwc.goc and search for FOIA.