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Subscribe to RSSMAUMERE, Indonesia -- A 10-year-old girl was swallowed by a crocodile as her father watched helplessly, Indonesian officials said.
The girl, named Juraida, was hunting for turtles with her father and brother in East Nusatenggara province when a giant saltwater crocodile sprang up from a river and pulled her in, The Jakarata Post reported.
“Juraida was seized when she was in about a half-meter of water at the river’s mouth,” Lembata Deputy Regent Viktor Mado Waton said when contacted on Friday, according to the newspaper.
“Her father and brother could only watch helplessly,” Waton said.
Villagers found pieces of her clothing several hours after Thursday's attack but there was no sign of her body.
Last month, a boy was killed by a crocodile in the same river.
Villagers living near the river have reported a loss of livestock in recent weeks as well.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Why post a story like this...trying to make people sad or something?
Yes, this is a sad story. However, on the bright side, that is one less mouth to feed which means more turtle meat for the other members of the family to enjoy.
I consider it a warning to not take the kids on a family vacation to Indonesia.
Note to self: Don't wade into croc infested waters after a recent spike in croc related deaths.
This is truly sad, but there is something not right about this story. Crocodiles do not like fresh meat and are not going to take a live person and swallow them. They are known to drag prey under and stuff them under a rock or branch under water. They will let the body sit there for a while while the salt water tenderized the meat. I have no doubt that a crocodile would attack and drag away a person, particularly a young girl, but there is no way I buy a crocodile attacking and immediately swallowing the person. Anyone who has ever studied crocodile behavior knows something is wrong with this story.
JS in SD
Better tell that to the crocodile.
I'm really tired of the "and this is news why?" comments. You clicked on it, didn't you? Do you really need every single story on this site to be checked with you before it's posted to make sure that YOU deem it "newsworthy"?
@ JS in SD: that's probably exactly what happened, but to the untrained eye, the snatch and deathroll would have seemed like the croc ate her right there, when in all actuality he was just killing her, to take her body somewhere to rot for a while. Poor little girl.
This is not news. This is nothing but stupid sensationalism by the press. Low class, really, exploiting other folk's grieve.
@voiceontheleft, i agree with you 100%.
JS in SD- Don't know about crocodiles, but I grew up in Miami and we have alligators down in the glades. I know alligators and crocodiles may have different eating patterns,but alligators will eat fresh meat. From what I remember about alligators,they use underwater ledges to store their food if they have had their fill,to hoard it from other alligators or if it is too big to grab chunks off of,then they'll let it soften up. (smack my head - I think I just refuted my own statement)Their teeth may also be different than an crocodiles.Of course the curing thing is cool,so maybe that's because crocs are salt water??
Has anyone considered the possibility that the father may have done this on purpose? Perhaps he took out a life insurance policy on the victim and made her go in the water knowing the danger and the financial reward he could have amassed should his evil scheme come to fruition.
Something to ponder..
Alligators are cousins and they eat completely differently.
My heartfelt condolences to the family. What an terrible thing to have to watch.
Has anyone considered the possibility that this story was fabricated by the father (with the backing of the mayor of this town) in order to draw more tourist dollars?
Something to ponder..
Yeah, I guess we should start having a policy that the news is only allowed to report happy stories. C'mon!
marlen101917 - YES I REALLY want to go to their town now that I know little kids get eaten by crocs there. Get real.
This is tragic - I can't believe people are moaning at the fact that it has made news. What you'd rather hear about Lady Gaga's latest outfit or something? Sheesh people.
Just a thought, Is Oblamea going to visit there??????????????????
What a "CROC".......!!!!!
BG-1026147 and voiceontheleft - the point that the other posters are trying to make is that this is not an unusual occurrence in Third World countries. Note that nothing was published by this news organization when the young boy was killed in the same river last month. If this had occurred somewhere in the United States, then it is an unusual event. MSNBC is only looking for something to fill its Saturday news quota. This is a tragic event for the family and community involved, but is certainly no less tragic than reports of children dying in Africa from starvation, murdered in drive-by shootings or abused by adults, etc. MSNBC is merely picking and choosing what it wants to sensationalize today. That's what people find annoying.
JS in SD: Saltwater crocs will take small prey and swallow it whole. Has your study and research taught you that? These animals are very aggressive when they're hungry and will strike anything moving on the shore.
One doubts your alleged credentials.
Just because you didn't read an article about the poor boy doesn't mean there wasn't an article previoulsly written. I myself have not read every article ever written.
You can sure tell who has kids here and who doesn't, and who the dumbass kids are making their lame comments. If I watched that happen to my 10 year old it would be game over. Who would want to live after witnessing that?
Poor little girl how terrifying.
@marlen101917
YOU HAVE JUST PROVED TO THE WORLD, that humans can be conceived and delivered anally !! FOOL !
How did this go from a heartwrenching story to bashing Obama. Being a Canadian, I have a hard time understanding how 50% of your population can potentially vote for someone like Gingrich or Romney, men who are trying to destroy the Middle Class, and give the Rich more tax breaks. Obama may not be perfect, but do you Americans want another 4-8, Bush-like years, where he dissolved Clinton's surplus, and thriving economy? And Gingrich is a hypocrite. How soon we forget how good-old Newt bashed Clinton for his lack of moral authority, even wanting Clinton impeached. Go ask Newt's first two wives about his moral compass, especially what has come to light this past week. But we don't care about his personal life. Then why were the Republicans so worried about Clinton's?
When you are that poor, you don't stop eating just because there is a crocodile around.
BG-1026147: Honestly, I'd rather read an article about a crocodile eating Lady Gaga. I doubt I stand alone.
Toosano, I have often wondered about the average age here. No matter how sad and tragic the story, it is always mocked or made political. Not to worry though, life's lessons will continue and perhaps these moments will come to memory.
@marlen
Are you really that stupid or do you just make idiotic statements due to some medical issue?
motorcity u r correct, ur a canadian...so y do u think its ur place to comment on our government?...Its not! I just hope the little girl didnt suffer too much, what a pity
I guess once you go gator, you don't come back. Poor taste, yes I know this, but when the hell will these adults learn not to take appetizers (their kids) to areas where gators are looking for a quick snack.
Maybe they should learn of a newer and safer way in catching turtles. You know, like breeding them in another location so they can sell and eat them minus the gator.
JS in SD, I wondered the same thing. I remember learning that ages ago in school that one of the differences between alligators and crocs is their eating behaviors. Crocs drown and eat latter alligators eat right away.
I think this story should reinforce how lucky we all are not to live there; where you must depend on the help of your young children to earn a living and/or to help find food.
On the surface this is a sad story, but on the bright side, the way they breed and proliferate in those 3rd world countries, within minutes she'll be replaced by many!
The Grand Old Party would like to remind you all that the Croc was simply the hand of God . This girl most likely had an un-pure thought the night before and was punished accordingly . Nature , along with reason, is a lie . All is as it should be . That is all .
Perhaps the town council should post warning signs stating that dangerous crocs are lurking in the area. I saw them on TV in the outback (Australia).
Even if the villagers can't read, they do make them with pictures ect. Just a suggestion to ponder..
Justice for caylle1, why can't a Canadian comment on US politics? Are you from Orlando Fla.? If not you have no business commenting on Caylee Anthony. That is, using YOUR "rules."
What exactly does Caylee have to do with a story of a croc eating a child? And I find it hard to believe that Canadians are interested in Americas politics.
EastRowanDad: As soon as you get to making any sense, please take your meds and shut up.
Some people just don't get it...thats all these people know is to search for food, unfortunately they have to live amongst the wildlife and stuff happens God did NOT take this little girls life she was only a child and children do not have impure thoughts in a country like that their thoughts are mosre survival related and yes Canadians can comment on our politics because we sure as h__l don't know what we are doing in that respect. Freedom of speech is one of our rights but use it wisely...not for idiotic statements or comments that are not related to the story...
@EastRowanDad: Whether your serious or sarcastic, you're an IDIOT! I'm glad you're not MY dad.
Yes, mr. snack, a lot of people should take their medicine on time.
But for all the other US people here, what do you mean by third world countries, like Indonesia? Are you comparing US to western countries, even though here you have to beg for medicare and SS you paid for all your life, or borrow to go to college, or borrow or beg if you get sick, or pray and beg if you have to go to a nursing home, like in third world countries---go ahead now you have something to talk about---oh I forgot people sit in jail for 1-10 years before final trial, and then freed and just thrown out in the street like some some piece of trash--like Casey!!!! (most places in EU they must have evidence in max 72 hours, or they must get freed!---Real Freedom
Also, you must not have seen the crocks in Florida and Louisiana and several other places eat all kinds of things off the lawns?
@EastRowanDad - I'm going to utilize a statement that I saw elsewhere on Newsvine...I'm surprised at how well you type for someone wearing a straitjacket!!!
This is to Marlen......How many people have ever referred you as an @!$%#.....well at least one has now!!! I'm sure if your parents are still alive they would want to drown you....your a peice of crap....this is about a little girl that you know nothing about.....
Will a story like this be legitimate news if it reads "Alligator takes tourist golfer while searching for ball in Florida water hazard?" There's some gallows humor in that scenario while the little girl searching for food in Indonesia is just tragic.
I wonder if these villagers have considered something like 'Gator Guard Repellent' to keep the creatures away while hunting turtle's? I have heard it works very well in the Outback (Australia). The only issue would be; would it keep the turtles away as well?
Something to ponder..
There is nothing newsworthy in this article. But it has an effective headline - something horrific happened and the news people are cashing in on it. Not news, just sensationalism trying to sell more ad space.
On the other hand, I would be sad as well if this WASN'T covered and the girl just died in anonymity. So...whatever.
Bundgaard,
But for all the other US people here, what do you mean by third world countries, like Indonesia?
Anywhere you have to hunt for turtles for food or people guide farm animals down main streets. Americans beg for nothing. It's liberals who beg and whine for an all powerful govt to send them some scraps. We are self sufficent here. And we have true freedom. Freedom FROM govt.
i'm still in the afterglow of that blond bitch elizabeth smart getting married story...so this is quite a jolt...ah..um..any pics of this croc incident...alright go ahead collapse me
Marebob... the rest of the world is interested in American politics and decisions as we tend to stick our nose in everybody else's business! Your comment is exactly one of the reasons that most of the world hates us.... the Ugly American comes through again!
And parts of Indonesia are beautiful. Unfortunately, most of the people there are extremely poor and will do what they have to do to find food. Instead of lambasting them for this, we should consider that but for the grace of God, we were born Americans! Our "poor" cannot imagine living the way the poor in Indonesia and many other countries live. There are no food stamps, SSI, medicaid, soup kitchens, HUD housing, etc. And there is no birth control either.
Yes, I believe there are quite a few young, selfish, immature brats posting here... but unfortunately, we get a glimpse from these people as to how bad it has really gotten in this country. Some of the posts on these forums have really enlightened me as to the thought processes of some of my fellow Americans and it is scary as hell!
I'm sure that little girl was terrified and I cannot imagine the horror in watching one of your children killed this way. I've lost a son and I can tell you, people the world over love their children... this family is in agony for sure. It is sad that so many of us have no compassion anymore.
If they had a 5 day wading period for Crocs like we do here in America, that kind of stuff wouldn't happen.
Remember, Crocs don't kill people, dumb asses that let their children wade in croc infested waters do.
My sympathies for the little girl. Oh sir, I said, sir....WTF were you thinking?
Marlen,
Do you really think a bunch of natives living along an Indian river who have to chase turtles for a living need a sign to tell them the river is full of Crocodiles? And Crocodile repellent? Are you kidding? Don't you understand that in the majority of fatal case's of attack... that by the time you realize "Big toothed water lizard" is there, he's already launched himself out of the water and has you in a death roll... and once he does reaching for an aerosol can is fairly pointless?
And "murder by Crocodile to collect life insurance"? You do understand that they aren't catching the damn turtles for sport don't you? Exactly how much extra money do you think a turtle catching native, living along a crocodile infested Indian river has to put down on a life insurance policy?
Are you intentionally being dense? If not....then God help you, and if so,certainly you can do better than this as an attempt at ridicule! Otherwise you need to chose another subject...one where you may have some semblance of a chance of actually not making a complete fool out of yourself.
"Just something to ponder" LOL.
Lynchmob.....he was thinking theres a big fat turtle and hurry your ass up and catch the damn thing before it slids off that log if you want something to eat tonight!!
For God sake people! Look passed your own nose's for once and see that life everywhere in the world is not the hunky dory safely cloned suburbia you live in!
You are actually attempting to attach some liabilty and culpability to the father for the death of a child who by neccessity has to wade around trying to pin down some slippery turtle in a muddy Crocodile river in order to eat?
Oh... I tell you what he should have done...he should have jumped into his dugout and paddled the child 20 miles down river to the water side "Mcdonalds' for a big mac. Good God!
Actually I saw the same article on the Univision website, and it states that the crocodile pulled the girl down into the water, it did not say anything about swallowing her whole.
Tragic Story ............. and when some tourist crossing trough the Glades finds a a small child or animal missing, the comments will be similar .... but it won't be a croc or a gator that does it ... it will be a big snake ! ...
Acquaintances I have in Florida tell me that the glades are literally crawling with huge snakes that even take gators .... Soooooooooooo watch for stories like this to be appearing here soon!
Time to send the swamp boys in from Lousianna.
wow, that is one smart beast, to be that huge, yet to be able to glide in and attack in a foot and a half of water, that is pretty amazing considering his girth has got to be close to that...
sucks for the girl and her dad and brother. no one but the croc is winning that batlle, those suckers can be 20 feet long- be like fighting a great white with legs...
Instead of turtle hunting, the village should be croc hunting. I know I would be.
Louisiana doesn't have crocodiles. They have alligators, which are far more docile and less dangerous. Crocodiles are much more aggressive and savage hunters. Aside from some in the Everglades, I don't think there are any in the US.
Time to send in "The Turtleman"
re: crocs more aggressive.
Especially where human overpopulation intrudes on what little is left of animal habitat. As if the planet was running out of humans. Soon, there won't be anything but wall to wall humans, crap and pavement.
@little - Nah, soon we'll have that aggressive airborne Bird Flu that will wipe out billions of people, so it's all good.
Bubbles is that you? I didn't know that human-hating chimps could write comments on the internet. I'm sorry that MJ touched you in your "no no place", but that doens't give you the right to be prejudice toward all humans. Now be a good monkey, keep quiet, and eat your banana.
Spoken like someone who is truly clueless.
voiceontheleft alligators, which are far more docile and less dangerous. Are you serious alligators are docile? Wanna come over and pet the alligator in the pond behind my house? Please do
In comparison to a crocodile, yes, @!$%#.
Crocodiles are more aggressive in temperament than alligators. There are exceptions, natrually, as everything has, but compared to an alligator, Crocodiles are horrendously belligerent. Alligators tend to shy away from humans unless threatened or fed enough to lose their fear. Or, hungry enough, but humans arent typically seen as prey. Crococdiles attack humans faaaar more frequently, with greater fatal percentages.
An alligator is not being compared to a dog here. Just to reiterate.
It remains that yes, we encroach, but what should really matter is the utilization of safety. This was horribly tragic, and my heart goes to that father, but things can be prevented...
And your point is?
These people were hunting where there were crocodiles...so why would they be surprised this happened? And someone was surprised how something that big could hunt in such shallow water...if it was that big it was definitely older which meant it had a lot of experience.
I don't know what it's like for these people...maybe the children have to help in the hunt...I wouldn't have let my kids near that, but then again, it's a different world there from mine here.
I am so sorry that this little girl was taken...I can't imagine what her family is going through.
I just hope she died quickly...it had to be horrifying for her.
flbikerchick: Spoken like someone who is truly clueless.
Spoken like someone who is truly clueless.
I'd like to find a girl that can swallow a gator...
I know an old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly. Perhaps she'll die. I know an old lady who swallowed a spider. That wriggled ...
Crying Shame.
Ya got that right. Nobody even questions why the U of Wis or that U in Denmark gotta make H5N1 and make it airborne. I can't buy ya gotta make the virus so THEN ya can make the vaccine. The New World Order wants only 500 million to 2 Billion people on da earth. I doubt that includes losers like you or me commentin here. LOL!
Litlechanges,
You have that statement right.
I'm not sure why people are attacking voiceontheleft for his statement. Notice that he said "alligators are far MORE docile and LESS dangerous" IN COMPARISON TO crocodiles. He did NOT say that they are docile and harmless creatures. Come on people.
COmommy, this vine is a lot like driving in traffic, people flipping people off, riding their a$$es, things they would never do if they were face to face with that same person in line at a store. I'm always baffled that when someone reads a comment they don't like, or has something they find to be inaccurate, they respond by saying " hey %$#@*& you're an idiot, go to hell, get your $hit straight, stupid libby, stupid teabagger", it goes on and on. Is it just news reading people, or MSNBC readers, or are that many people really so powerless in their lives that they use the anonymity of the vine to say things they would never say in person. I'm writing so much about this because it used to be an awesome platform to have a discussion and read about what folks from all over the world think, how cool is that!? Until, F you right winger, F you left winger, etc.etc.etc.
It's too bad that we cant have two vines, one for civil, intelligent and opinionated people, of all ages, and one for all the name calling, insulting, "others".
P.S. I'm guilty of letting someone have it if the rip on me, not if I disagree with what they say or think their facts are not accurate.
I hate to tell you people but "voiceontheleft" is absolutely right. Let me tell you something if we had Indonesian or Australian Crocodiles in the U.S south east or gulf coast regions...they'd shut down every damn golf course out there! And you wouldn't be walking down the canals in Florida without a care in the world and sunbathing on the dock!
Crocodiles from those regions make alligators look like pacifists. We do however have Crocodiles... a very limited number of American crocodile who aren't nearly as tempramental and dangerous as those on the other side of the pacific rim or Africa.
That's about the most horrifying thing I've ever heard.
Even more horrifying than the possibility of Obama being reelected?
makememad: Shut up.
You must have missed the last election in 2008 when Obama was elected!
I saw you made some spelling mistakes so i corrected them for you. No need to thank me.
Obama sucks badly and is a real danger to the USA, but this article had nothing to do with politics in the USA. I think MSpielman was empathizing with the father and brother, and the poor girl too. Why pick a fight with that?
Save the Obama bashing, for which there is good reason, for the right time.
you mean Gingrich get elected?
Nothing is more horrifying then that thought, mmm
I would rather have the croc in the White House, more intelligence
Well you don't need a croc, you got an AZZ HOLE.
Yes since you're clearly more intelligent & successful than the President of the United States as noted from your previous posts.
Nothing is more horrifying then people who have such bad attention spans that they can't remember a) they CHOSE to read this article b) the topic is a young girl losing her LIFE c) america voted and got what they voted for.... whether you agree he should be here or not you is of no value to this conversation.
Any particular reason makememad's comment was collapsed and SpcTorres's wasn't there internet police? I mean if you are going to police, police. Or leave it all alone entirely.
See how smart Dave is everybody ?, he's learned to say things that a 8 year old would say.Dave is really going to be SOMEBODY when he grows up & he already thinks he's smart enough to be President.
makemad it is fair to say that most Americans don't approve of a party represented by a lowlife that left his wife dying of cancer for a younger lover. Very few also approve these days no child left behind or outsourcing American jobs to Mejico. I think that in the future your party will be a sad memory in the pages of American history books.
With today's "journalism" being what it is, I can't believe the headline didn't read;
10 Year Old Girl Gets Eaten by Giant Crocodile as Father Watches
That's what they pretty much said!!!
I agree that the Obama comments should of been collapsed because they were off topic, but the sensoring is going a little too deep.
PLEASE...no more political rants. This article isn't about that...it's about a child's death, you idiots.
Take your stupidity to a political forum.
Salt-water crocodiles have sharks beat hands down as the scariest animals around. What a horrible thing to see. I remember some years ago a California professor and his wife were on a nile cruise and while canoeing, the husband got attacked and eaten by a croc - while his screaming wife watched. I couldn't imagine retaining any sanity of you had to see something like that. Nature = scary sometimes.
Mmm-mmmm. That is a tasty burger!
actually I thought it was a cute animal story...
It's a horrifying story. I think if I was that little girls father I would set about killing every Crocodile I could find. Don't understand why humans haven't eliminated Crocs and Gators ( other than Zoo's ) from the face of the Earth by now. No need or use for these relics. My heart goes out to the Father and his family.
Some of us feel the same way about people; especially people who feel like you do.
Nascarlifer... about 151,650 die on the planet each day... how come you're not one of them?
Ugh.... Mac... I liked your comment accidentally.
lokay5: We all have a stupid streak. Most though, try not to advertise it. Regards
Not restoring many comments for being derails. This story has NOTHING to do with Obama.
Don't derail in the future please.
sherbud:
I was thinking the same thing! I also was wondering why after the boy was killed the villagers did not go hunting for this monster.
With pointed sticks or their bare hands? IIRC, no one has weapons in Jakarta, they're forbidden.
That's why it is such a safe place to live, right.
I'm sure this is not the only croc in the neighborhood. But I suspect when you live in an area where there are dangerous elements all the time - you develop a tolerance. Crocs are part of their world and until the danger exceeds a certain point,it is more dangerous to go after the the croc than to just exercise caution. You never hear of villages going after the man eating tigers until it reaches a report of several deaths.
Why go hunting for a croc? They're big, and powerful, and notoriously hard to kill. Besides, they knew what they signed up for when they built houses near a river full of crocs. Who wants to get eaten going after dozens of crocs that might or might not be the one(s) that ate the kids? They (the crocs) all look alike to me.
HShaver,
Really???? I seriously doubt they "built houses" there... they are lucky if they have some tin and cardboard to construct a hut! They built near the river for many reasons... sort of like Americans do! And I've said it before, it's not like these village people in remote areas of Indonesia get there daily dose of the news to warn them of dangers. This sort of thing is spread by worth of mouth which isn't quite as fast as the internet, radio, or TV where you get your news!
descrs - The thread was about whether this dad/villagers should or should not go hunting for crocodiles in retaliation for the child's death. I did not get the impression HShaver was saying the dad should just suck it up since he chose to build near the river, but rather that, for all of the varied reasons he built near the river, you also accept the dangers associated with that location. We buy houses near roads - one of the dangers we accept is that the cars that drive on those roads are potentially dangerous. But you wouldn't outlaw all of the cars from the road by your house. (of course I could be totally off base,HShaver may be saying the dad should just suck it up - problem when speaking for someone else! :)
The crock was probably a republican.
the gator ate her
wtf.................................
The father stood by??? If it were me, that gator would have a fight on its hands. Jus' sayin'.
Thanks Mark Wahlberg.
I would like to think that i would have jumped in after my child. But you never know until you are in that situation.
And you'd be dead too. But I agree, I'd be dead right along with you. No way I'd stand there and watch.
You'd fight it??? YOU lose!!
Please, I'd skin it with my fingernails and I could totally outswim a saltwater crocodile or a great white shark because they're slow.
I would protect my children with my life. But then .....
Indonesia is approx 25% the size of the US with a population of 80% that of the US (240m).
Perhaps when the US population reaches 1Billion, life will have much less value here as well.
My husband and I would tear that alligator apart to get to our child...or we would die trying.
Wouldn't it be easier just to have another baby? That is what they do over there, anyways.
Then your other child would be standing there watching their father/mother being eaten, too. No human being can kill a saltie with their bare hands. The animal grabbed her and was gone in a split second. There was no time to react or respond, it was over.
Your other kids would starve to death without you. Great decision making. Way to win Parent of the Year Award.
What would be the ultimate horrification {new word!} is if bushies brother, the former Governor of Florida and the person who helped GW steal the election in 2000, was to run for president and get elected in 2012!
Let's get Mitt Romney in there. The way he made hundreds of millions by buying companies and breaking them up for profit would be wonderful for America! He could just continue to let America slide into the abyss like that other co cksu cker we had between 2000 and 2008!
Yeah, right. Just sayin'...
Obey this!
To those who are saying they would go after the crocodile - it doesn't quite work like that. The crocodile grabs its prey from a bank, takes it in deeper water, and goes into a death roll. There is no prying the jaws apart. You may not even be able to catch up to the croc. They take the prey, they may make one brief reappearance, and they disappear. That father probably saw the croc, had a few seconds to realize what happened, and then it was gone.
Ya Dicer, ya got that right. In the nature flicks those crocks spring out of the water and in a second or two got a big antelope and is draggin it back into the water in the time it takes to blink. G-d bless that little girl.
Surprised he didn't have a machetes though. They seem to wack everything with a machete there. Don't know the feasibility, but if he got a wack or too on da gators head, at least the authorities could identify it and kill it if they saw it again. But sh!t happens in fast motion when it goes down.
Saltwater croc skin is tough. Granted, you could possibly have a machete. If you did own one (and the possibility is low, tools are very expensive and the annual income in Jakarta is below $70) it would bounce off a croc's thick bone skull. It might even break the machete. The skin of the head is like steel plate...not to mention the attack of a saltie is incredibly quick. Sometimes there is no outcry from the victim, one turns and they are gone.
Children are physically smaller in other countries because they have less to eat then children in the US. One can only hope this child was killed with the first crushing bite. Poor little girl.
Those who criticise her family for living close to the river: her ancestors have likely lived there for tens of thousands of years. She lived in a village. No roads, no running water, no indoor toilets.
Jakarta's a Third World country in many areas (outside the cities) where the people live. They live in huts and shacks and can't even afford hygiene products. Deodorant companies market single-use containers to the populace because that's all they can buy. They purchase a single cigarette at a time.
Criticising them for where they have to live, forsooth. One may as well criticise Americans for their own ignorance of geography and sociology.
Well, now, come to think of it, that would be valid, wouldn't it? ;-) ;-D
I know, I know....wildlife, nature, " it's THEIR world" and ALL that B.S....Saltwater crocodiles are SUCH disgusting, wasteful, overgrown killers ( nature doesn't need them anymore, since they're TOO big, just like corporations ) that they SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED !!!!!!! ALL of'em ! Oh, by the way....when they say it's THEIR world, ....and that : they were here before us, and all that happy-crappy bull.... ESPECIALLY Atheist, who ONLY believe in the laws and rules of NATURE.....guess what : Humans are the strongest beast in nature, and if you piss'em off enough times, they WILL freackin kill you ! It's just EVOLUTION having its way, morons.
ramble much?
I wonder if you'll be saying that when our giant brains, gripped by paranoia, finally unleash an atomic apocalypse that wipes us from the face of the planet.
...What?
Stephen, you are "speaking" like a true Christian..just full of hatred.
If you hate Saltwater crocodiles so much then why don't you ask your god why did he create them?
eltex : Yes I DO....ramble much. Sorry. Ed : then it's OUR time to go.
Jenn : you're too slow to understand.
If we are the strongest creatures on the planet, then why do so many things eat us? Strongest would imply top of the food chain, and it seems like there are plenty of things that find us relatively appetizing, and it seems that, unarmed, there's not a hell of a lot we can do about it when they get a craving for us. Stop being so anthrocentric. It's not our planet exclusively, and we are not the top of the food chain.
Miss Lydia...You're TOO funny. Even if I was angry ( I AM very emotional, and I tend to overreact...) .....but I was HARSH against an animal. Your HATE was targeted against not just ME, ....you included a HUGE group of other HUMANS ....showed your intolerance, and YES, again : HATRED of Christians, with ONE WIDE brush stroke.... You MUST BE a very caring, wise, patient, highly intellectual human being, with compassion for all. Thanks for playing, now you can crawl back under your rock....
We are not the "strongest on earth", we just have guns and knives so that makes us a threat.
I' d rather keep the crocs, and start getting rid of some people.
Oh Stephen I'm looking at you wink wink.
You should take you anti-hating, anti-delusional meds. in the a.m. before you play on the computer!
Stephen-3116684:
BLAH blah babble babble CAPS ramble yak MORECAPS drivel mumble ATTENTIONWHORE type type blargle PUNCTUATION yakkety SENTENCESTRUCTURE.
Maybe they should start an "Occupy Gator" movement?
I see the croc, who is doing what he does naturally and for logical reasons, however repugnant it might be to us, as less wasteful and much less full of hate and nastiness than you are. The people were in the croc's habitat, children had been attacked and killed crocs there before, and there they went anyway. I am sincerely sorry for the family's loss, but seems to me the croc won here and it was totally predictable.
Stephen, if you believe that humans are the strongest animals you need to take some real biology courses or google or something...we are weak in comparison to many, many animals. Only thing going for us is our supposedly amazing brain, and I don't see us using that very well much of the time. I don't think since you obviously know little about nature or biology you are qualified to judge whether they are "needed" or too big to survive any more or anything to do with evolution...lol.
On the atheist part of your rant I would say you also have no clue what they believe, and that this has nothing to do with politics, corporations, or religion except in your confused brain. Seriously, you don't read much or take many classes on the topics you rant about, do you?
I also think it's interesting you complained about Lydia doing exactly what you did more than once. You wanted all the crocs destroyed for doing nothing wrong, but just acting on instinct, and you weren't very polite to atheists. So before you start talking about other people's behavior how about reading your own posts first? And if you know you are very emotional about things, I suggest taking a moment to read your posts before you post them to see if they make sense or are just ranting from an emotional viewpoint. Of course you have the right to rant, but a bit of checking might help readers take you more seriously if that is your goal. I am not really sure what your goal is.
Steven is a @!$%#head.
LOL, so thats what happens when you curse. haha lame
As an atheist writing only for myself...I do believe in natural law. Humans are the smartest and most capable animals on earth. So I say the people there quit going into the water for turtles and instead go hunting for crocs. I don't know about the other stuff you wrote, it's not easily decipherable.
A croc ought to make quite a meal, though I'm not sure how close to cannibalism I would want to go with it. Once removed is too close imo.
Give Stephen(ie) a break. It's just that time of the month for her. Getting overly emotional and all. It happens to the best of them. Bwahahahaha
Bunny, it's not guns and knives that make humans a threat, it's our brains and ability to reason and make moral judgements that make us stronger. We are the highest form of life in that we have the ability to choose to do or not do, to act morally or immorally. The rest of the animals have only instinct, no reasoning ability. That puts us on top because we can adapt to our environments much more effectively than other animals. It also gives us great responsibility, a role at which as a whole race we fail miserably. Don't hate the Christians. A lion or Croc would tear you or me, or Bambi, to sheds without regard for our feelings or any sense of whether it was right or good for anything beyond filling its belly or protecting its young by instinct. Christians do a lot of good, and have done great things for our world throughout history, witness Mother Teresa, St Vincent De Paul, St Francis of Assisi, Martin Luther King Jr, Johannes Gutenberg (invented the printing press and used it to print bibles -- significant contribution to the spread of science too), and many others who have been motivated by their faith in God to do great things that have made our world better. Christians have done way more good than evil throughout history, though not in every instance. Don't group us all into a single stereotype like so many do by ethnicity and race.
Meanwhile, in RealityLand where the rest of us live, humans make tasty snacks for crocodillians. (Don't tell JD in SD, he thinks we are never on the menu for some strange reason, so shhhh!)
These giant reptiles hang out in water and predate on animals attracted to it. They're ambush hunters. Whatever creature happens along, they grab it. Sometimes it's a human.
Stephen, don't be ridiculous! We need to catch a few hundred of those crocs and drop them off in DC to visit the folks in congress, you know the folks who care only about the very wealthy and mega corporations! One thing is for sure, the congressional folks wouldn't try to su ck on the crocs wieners like they su ck on the CEOs wieners!
Hey Ram:
I do believe it is a "shared" habitat...man and croc live there together...the croc won...this time.
The crocks are all republicans,...never forget that.
As a father there would never be a story saying I stood by doing nothing while my child was attack. It might say i died too but NEVER would I do nothing. I cannot see a fother doing that. There must be much more. At least I hope.
Perhaps he was getting the brother to safety, rather than losing two children?
If you died you couldn't say you died because youd be dead; therefore, nothing to report. toodle loo.
Damm right!!! I don't care what the Foe is, nothing is taking my little girl without a fight to the death!! NOTHING!!!!!! The brother can fend for himself. I think this goes to show the lack of importance given to womens lives in this part of the world.
It sounds as if it happened too fast for the father to react. Crocodiles tend to pull their pray underwater as fast as possible so there is a good chance that there was nothing he could do. Very sad event wither way.
just because they live in a 3rd world country doesn't mean they don't value and care for their children. The event probably happened in a split second. Even if he wanted to fight with the croc. he wouldn't have made in time to do anything let alone see it. I believe he would have given his life for his little girl, but you can't fight something you can't see or isn't there anymore.
I think Peridot hit the nail on the head - the dad can not kill that croc, so if he goes after it - he dies and then his other children have no dad and probably no means of support . When you live somewhere that life is hard,you make hard choices so the greater number of your family have a chance to survive.
I don 't understand why you'd want to jump in and get eaten by the croc too. I love my boy, but I am a realist. If he was being eaten by a croc, I wouldn't have a chance an icecube has in he-- of saving him. The dad had more children and probably a wife and property. If he dies, who's gonna care for all that? Use your heads, people.
Mark Wahlberg much?
Self righteous, 'I would have done better by my child if I'd been there,' judgmental, I'm a better father than he was, I love my child more than he did, etc, etc, etc.
Have you never seen a nature documentary? Are you simply ignorant of how rapidly these animals attack and retreat into the water? They're lightning-fast, sometimes the person taken makes no sound, the companion looks over and the other is simply gone with only a ripple in the water to show what happened. Surely Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more sensible than to leap into the sea at this point.
What would you do? Would you truly abandon your other child alone on the riverbank, perhaps to be eaten alive by another saltwater crocodile, to leap into the water and save a child who was already lost? He may only have fallen into the water to drown, still is that a wise choice to chase after the child who is taken and abandon the living son?
You and I live in civilisation. We have running water in our kitchens, vaccines to protect our children from disease, indoor toilets and free public schools where they can be educated. You went to free public school, or you had that option, although it's crystal clear you paid little or no attention in Geography and Biology classes.
No single human being is a match for a saltwater crocodile. I don't care how how much you work out or how big you think your testicles are, even Steve Irwin had a team when he captured these animals and he used ropes and bait and sophisticated cages, and sometimes he or one of his team were injured by them.
This father had at least one more child. He did the smart thing and the wise thing. You would do the foolish thing and your entire family would be wiped out from the planet when you were eaten and your child was also taken on the riverbank. It's not appropriate for me to say that the Darwin Award would come to you, but there are others who might draw conclusions in that area. There is never a single saltwater crocodile in the water. There's always more than one.
(insert rolling eye emoticon here)
Yep, reading some of the comments here, I wondered how long it would take for some of the sickos to make their appearance and start making their sick jokes................
cut its @!$%#ing head off!!!
If you knew other people and animals were being devoured in that area by giant crocs, wouldn't you keep your kids out of the water unless you organized a watch party around the gathering area? I won't indict their need to gather whatever they needed for food, because these people can't wander down to Jiffy Mart for fresh veggies, BUT there are GIANT freaking crocodiles in the water. Watch out for your kids. What a horrible way to go.
I'm sure the dad was watching out for his kids, but as you said, Mike N, there is no Jiffy mart out there. Either they gather food or starve. Mike N, think over what you just said. This is what is called a catch-22 for the villagers - - either way they don't win.
Mike,
I would venture to guess that most of the villagers in that area still know nothing about this! They get their "news" by word of mouth. It's not like they can read the news on the internet every day or even turn on their TV's in their huts with no electricity! Think of the location where this occurred... it didn't happen in New Orleans where news of something like this would be spread across the internet, the news, cell phone messages, etc. We must not judge situations we know nothing about.
To watch for what, Mike? When they're seen it's too late to react. These animals are ambush predators. They lurk in the water, attack and kill and then you know they are there.
Does no one else ever watch nature documentaries? Once they have hold of one, it's too late then. They attack rapidly. They are not slow.
They attack so rapidly it requires high-speed cameras AND film to be able to see them take their prey.
Why doesn't anyone else seem to be aware of this? Have IQs in the US dropped sharply since one went to school? Are people here truly that uninformed about animal behaviour? I'm in Marine Biology, this isn't even my field, and I'm aware of this fact. How can people not know this about these animals?
Hey Peridot......don't get your Marine Biology panties in a bunch. No, I don't study freaking crocodiles but I do know they are huge and fast and deadly, and I have decent IQ notwithstanding the fact that I don't read any crocodile-fact-of-the-day website you geek. Now if the mainstream media got word of attacks on precious livestock and children in that area, then I would damn sure assume the VILLAGERS told them, because they damn sure aren't living there with their laptops and press passes. HENCE, the villagers probably knew giant crocs were prevalent, HENCE it would make sense to set a perimeter if you are going to let your children gather in the water. By comparison, If I'm walking around in a big bad American inner city, I don't tell my daughter to walk up ahead near that alley in case there's a mugger there. So,I stand by my point. They should watch a perimeter or keep the kiddies close.
This story does sound a little peculiar, why is this man's children there in the first place? I understand the necessity to eat and not starve, but his children were supposed to be kept safe at all times. That is a parents responsibility!!! I am sure this incident will haunt this father for the rest of his life, as it should!
Don't make the mistake of thinking alligators and crocodiles are the same. There is a reason you read about people surviving alligator attacks. I can only recall one story of someone surviving a crocodile attack, and that was an expert who was taken from her canoe by a Nile crocodile, not a salty.
It is likely the reason the Father could do nothing is that the crocodile and his daughter disapeared that fast. There was nothing there but water.
Saltwater crocs and Nile crocs are different as well. Salties are the worst, the most aggressive of the crocodilians.
Oh, and guess what? Alligators can jump, too. We have one here in THE SAINT AUGUSTINE ALLIGATOR FARM. His name? Jumper. More than one will occasionally jump up to be fed. Most of the time they don't, they're just lazy.
JDinSD, before you deny it, come on down to FL and watch it. Happens every day at feeding time. Or call them, they answer questions on the telephone. You needn't believe a person who has seen it again and again.
One has photographic evidence but if one posts it doubtless you would claim Photoshopping.
Okay... first off, it said the boy was killed in the same river, not necessarily the same area of the river.
Second, there probably was very little he could have done. Crocodiles are extremely powerful and extraordinarily fast in the water. Unless he was standing right next to her (it doesn't say), the croc was probably already out of reach before he blinked. Add on top of that the fact that it was probably a surprise attack and it might've taken him a moment to let what was happening sink in.
The jokes by some of the lesser intelligent posters are what the world expects from such people.
it's amazing how shallow the water was...
It was shallow where she was standing but it was likely much deeper near by - crocs are strong, fast, and brutal. It would take seconds to drag a child to deeper water and underneath.
I would gather up my buddies with as much artillery, weapons, spears, etc as I could find and go on a hunt for some crocs. Nothing less than extinction for that species in that part of the river. I'd also be hanging treble hook every 15 feet along the river and annihilate them.
Will that bring the girl back? No. But it would make me feel better.
Hey Doyourhomework, gotta ask what the hell is in your mouth in that picture lol
That is a little creepy !!!
I think it's Rick Perry in the photo.
It doesn't get any worse then the fact that it was a 10 year old child. If this had happened to an adult, like marlen101917 for example, that would be bad too, but certainly not as depressing as the fact that it was a little 10 year old girl that was out have a good time.
After reading marlen's post I can honestly say I would not miss her one bit
I don't think she was having a good time. She was gathering turtles for the pot. read the story. It was a chore.
Why is it so amazing the water was shallow? Estuaries are noted for having poor visibility, ie, being muddy and cloudy. Crocodiles are well-camouflaged and can lie flat in less than half a meter of water. Millions of years of evolution have made it so.
Here's another one for you: most shark bite incidents take place in less than 1-2 meters of water. It takes less than a meter of water to float the largest bull shark and they can bite, take you out to sea, and kill you in an instant. They hunt shallow water and easily tolerate fresh water.
There were bull sharks in that water, too. They are pervasive, but fewer in numbers now than once they were.
She was not out to have a good time, she was gathering food for the family to eat but instead became food for the crocodile, no pun intended. The father needs to be charged with manslaughter, child endangerment, neglect, child abuse and a host of other crimes just for allowing his children to be in the water where crocodiles live.
Sorry, if I offended anyone....but this got me REALLY sad first, then REALLY angry afterwards. And I just can't take it anymore when idiot environmentalists ALWAYS put animals first. PLUS...just as I said before, their logic is SOOOOOO false and moronic. And again....atheists, who ONLY look at everything around us as raw nature taking its course....I say , OK.... If ANY animal causes enough grief, IS TOO BIG for today's Earth, the present ecosystem...it's TIME FOR IT to GO ! ( just like Dinosaurs....TOO BIG, TOO stupid....Bye, bye pea-brain )( I KNOW it was the asteroid, so don't even start...) If it's not smart, or strong enough to survive....Farewell, ugly , disgusting monster. If I lived in those areas, there would be some fun days coming for all "natural-born killers"....and MANY, MANY more croc-skin purses for the ladies at the boutiques....It's EVOLUTION......NATURAL SELECTION, and ALL that crap for you, idiot environmentalist freaks....
I could not agree more Stephen. Here in California a mountain lion killed and partially ate a female jogger some years back. When the lion was killed, there was public outrage and indignation voiced for the dead lion but not a peep of sympathy or compassion for the woman or her family. All this from the lefties who claim to have cornered the market on tolerance and compassion. When I go into the hills I do not go looking for trouble or violence, but if something, man or beast, offers me either, I will return it in spades. Save the sympathy and compassion for a being that has the capacity to understand those emotions.
Stephen-3116684:
BLAH blah babble babble CAPS ramble yak MORECAPS drivel mumble ATTENTIONWHORE type type blargle PUNCTUATION yakkety SENTENCESTRUCTURE.
I have no idea wtf you're trying to say because your posting style is offensive to the eyes. If you have to resort to gimmicks to make a point, you probably don't have a point to make. If you do have a valid point, the dreck you type hides it very well.
Ever heard of " All God's Creatures"? Well, if we go by traditional Christian beliefs, YOUR beliefs, He created your "ugly, disgusting monster". So are you angry at God? It's too bad natural selection doesn't work on the humans with pea-brains, as you would not be on this post spouting such nonsense. Why do you force your values on animals, like they are supposed to have a higher moral understanding not to attack humans? All they see is something to eat, easy to capture, so that they can survive. Its humans who are stupid enough to put themselves in situations that make them easy prey, very sad as this story is. If one walks in front of traffic, they will probably get hit by a car. If you swim where there are crocodiles, well......
Sorry, I'm not an athiest, and I still say your logic is "moronic." By your logic, because saltwater crocodiles, by nature, are large animals, they should be killed by man? Too big for today's ecosystem? You mean the one the people were walking into looking to collect turtles from? Most likely, they were turtles to be illegally exported.
Here's an idea- since humans are the ones that DO NOT act on instinct, stay out of rivers that are habitat for crocodiles, particularly with children, and you won't have stories like this. But God forbid, we impugn anyone's civil right to do whatever they want, rather than respect the fact that there are animals that are bigger predators than we are out there.
Don't fret, folks. Stephen is just going to get fed up with this topic and then go drag his knuckles away to somewhere.. like he did yesterday on some other article. We still miss him there.. Hahahaha!
Don't bash environmentaists, Gomer. Not all of us have the PETA mentality.
The father had to know there were crocs in the area...yet he allows his child to get in the water? That's as bad as you letting your children go swimming in Australian waters where there are all the recent shark attacks.
The croc was doing some thing natural..but either the people in that area need to either kill it and feed everyone, or stay away from it so no one else gets killed.
Blue panther....there are not very many starving children along the Australian coast.
You have a choice: My kid can die by being part of the food chain, or going after the food chain and most of the time win. hunger is not comfortable.
And Wade 295264: you are just an idiot with no redeeming qualities to offer this discussion. Go back to the TV room with all the other emotionally challenged.
So, with your logic, as people's populations are too big for the ecosystem, are sometimes natural-born killers, and also monsters, we should wipe them from the earth along with all those things you deem monster s in the rivers. Stephen, you don't makea lot of sense.
I know that granny...
If this story was about a killer pedophile who recently raped and killed a 10 year-old would Stephen say that all human should go??? Humans do a lot more harm to children than crocodiles!!
This is unimaginably tragic. Some information is just too much for the human mind to deal with. This is a good example. This is not 'news', this is sensationalizing extreme human suffering and tragedy.
Someone ought to invest in a gun. Might as well be ready next time he comes back and avoid another tragedy. They can also have a revenge meal and eat the SoB.
Aw GEEESUS ! Aw GEEESUS! Horrific just Horrific.They need to hunt that crocodile down and kill it!My question is it killed a little boy, why didn't they hunt it down the first time a horrific tragedy like this happened?Why did they keep going back to the same river or whatever, only to have this horror happen again?
I fell so bad do that father watching his daughter die like that.No words can describe this horror!
They go back to the river because it's a source of food - they were hunting for turtles.
with all due respect, Gloria: this isn't America. When someone is eaten by a shark in Malibu where tourists go: they go out and kill 10 with no idea if they got the right one. Just so the tourists feel better and don't change their vacation plans. Now in a poor Country like that, how do you propose they get the equipment to target that one beast?
The answer is you don't. There's no money, nor tourists there. You teach these people to train their palate for Alligators/crocs (tastes like chicken) rather than turtles. And you don't worry about getting the offender and try him and execute him. You kill them all. They breed plentifully and could feed a lot of hungry people. and be an on going food source. and if they run out...would that be so bad?????
The river is their source of food, profit, and water . That is why they go back. It is their only source, probably. You go try to kill a croc or t wo and tell me how successful you are before bashing people's decisions, especially the decision not to kill the crocs in the river. They are big, mean, and smart, and very destructive to life and property if provoked. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until a big group of men who never caught or killed a croc in their life try to do that.
Granny, you are incorrect. Carcaradon Carcarais is endangered and protected internationally. There is no legal hunting of them whatsoever.
Are you dreaming the hunting of 10 Great White Sharks or did you make it up of whole cloth? In other words, you've been caught out.
When a surfer's been in a shark bite incident at Malibu, signs are posted that the beaches are closed. That's all that happens. Surfers routinely ignore these signs and they take whatever happens to them on their own responsibility.
There's catch, tag and live release of White Sharks that goes on anually by an international team of researchers. There's an ap for your Smartphone in which you can follow the satellite tracking of the sharks.The Aussies have a tagging research team as well.
An Oregon fisherman was fined $299 for illegally keeping a White Shark he caught last year. Appallingly not enough of a fine if you ask me. Two Aussies were fined $15,000 pounds for killing a White Shark last year and that's more appropriate. These animals don't reproduce often and it takes a long time for them to achieve maturity. We don't know enough about their reproduction to say how many young a female gives birth to in her lifetime, but studies are underway now.
It is possibility the father killed the girl in a fit of rage and blamed it on the Crocodile. In Indonesia, I would guess that a criminal investigation would not take place in a remote region, where the locals make up their rules and laws as they go along.
The croc was hungry. Like me. I eat cows every day.
I really hope you're kidding. And if you are, it isn't funny. I didn't think you were allowed to use computers in mental hospitals.
Picto, you are adding to the story again. Next time a relative of yours dies, I will say the same comment about you you said about this poor father.
Occam's Razor again.
If the father knew that a boy had already been killed there a month ago, then how could he be stupid enough to allow his 10 year old daughter to go anywhere near the river?
Who says the father knew there was a previous croc attack? Half a dozen or more people have posted how dumb dad was to let his kids in the water after a previous attack, but you're assuming the first attack was all over the Indonesia news, and maybe it WAS, but this doesn't mean this particular adult was on his computer every day checking local news.
Get a brain, people.
Hey Brainiac!! Word of mouth, in backwater countries, is the news. And if the croc attack on the boy happened a month ago, I am sure everyone knew in the village, if not the whole country!
They were hunting turtles near the river. Something that people in poor countries have to do is hunt for their food or they dont eat so airrika is right get a damn brain and USE it at least once in a while...
when the only supermarket available is Whole Foods then you have to take your chances.
airrika:
Whether or not he knew of the other attack, chances are real good to guaranteed he knew there were crocodiles there. No need to nitpick when the concept is there, poorly worded yet obvious.
They. Were. Hungry.
Stephen... What are you talking about? You make no sense!
Trespassers will be eaten. Sad that it happened to a little human. Sadder if the father and brother actually just stood there watching.
The only thing they probably saw was the girl getting pulled in, after that there is nothing anyone could do these beasts are very strong and very fast in pulling their prey under the waters.
To bad but in those countries the people think like cattle , and forget what the dangers are around crocodile infested waters them things aren't to be messed with unless your packing a howitser artillery weapon
Did it ever occure to you that maybe these people were so poor that they needed to head to the water to catch their food. They were hunting turtles for a reason and i doubt it was to hang it on a wall for bragging rights. Shows how much more advanced your thinking process is...
Bravo! But I think as a civilized Country we should supply the tools and offer some training in catching these nasty beasts and eating them instead of turtles. If my man could kill and round up a croc/ alligator and bring it home for dinner.....that would be an afrodisiac for me. And that is usually why a critter that are not as sensible to hunt are sought after.
Yeah Allan, and they had enough for a howitzer. Get real. They were gathering, probably the only food source they had, probably in the only place they had to find food.
to make me mad the fella that commented abouNOTHING COULD BE WORSE THAN HAVING BRAIN DEAD bush in office for yrs. he's the idiot that bankrupted the country with his and CHENEY'S private war these two idiots should be hung for treason. AND FOR KILING 3000+ OF OUR GREAT CITIZENS-AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER that Bas ---- knew on aug 15 tha BIN LADEN WAS GONNA ATTACK THE USA using aircraft but he sat on his drunken ass and let it happen
You must be confused about what article is being commented on. So you didn't like Bush. Get over it. This article is about a horrible situation where an innocent girl got eaten by a crocodile right in front of her Father and Brother. This is not a political article.
duh.
Bill couldn't agree more. But there are meds you can take for attention span.
Reported.
While there are many who agree with you there's a time and a place for this and here is not the place.
Methinks the drunken is on the other foot, or hand...