Philippine officials are in talks with the Obama administration about expanding the U.S. military presence in the archipelago as part of the strategy to counter China in the Pacific.
Report of the talks first appeared on the Washington Post website on Wednesday, which said the negotiations are in the early stages but that both governments "are favorably inclined toward a deal."
Additional talks are scheduled on Thursday and Friday in Washington, the Post reported, with higher level meetings set for March.
"We can point to other countries: Australia, Japan, Singapore," an unnamed senior Philippine official involved in the talks told the Post. “We’re not the only one doing this, and for good reason. We all want to see a peaceful and stable region. Nobody wants to have to face China or confront China.”
Other recent agreements related to Obama’s China strategy include basing Marines in Australia as well as Navy ships in Singapore.
China's ministry of defense warned earlier this month that the United States needs to be "careful in its words and actions" about rethinking its defense posture across Asia in response to China's rise.
US to keep 11 aircraft carriers to show sea power
China has been expanding its naval might in the Pacific, adding submarines and an aircraft carrier, and it has also increased its missile and surveillance capabilities.
Subic Bay Naval Base in the Philippines was one of the largest U.S. military installations in the Pacific until it closed in 1991.
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I had a hard time not to laugh. A big borrower is going to encircle Communist China, its banker , which has over a trillion dollars in cash that it can drop on international markets and withdraw money from bonds which can cause our government to collapse. All these warmongering or fearmongorening moves are circus acts to justify endless wars that our propaganda machine ( called by some "free press" ) is fabricating to enrich the 1%. While our coutry has been brought to bancrupcy ,so that we are forced to borrow money from Communist China ,the clowns in Washington want to spend more money on useless adventures. Imperial posturing with empty pockets and a nuclear arsenal just frightens the whole world as well as it frightens me. I am in my seventies ,but I am too young to die in a nuclear inferno . Listening to the presidential candidates talk of war with Iran is insanity and each candidate should talk to a psychiatrist before they are allowed on the stage to make such stupid , insane statements. Ron Paul is the only mature candidate that I would trust with a finger on the nuclear button-think about it.
Let's build an air base there. We can call it Clark. It'll be fun and we'll make tons of friends. Bring a big broom.
Clark is the Number 2 airport after Nimoy Aquino on that island. That airport is busy because the travel tax is 400 Php compared to 750 at Aquino. The only thing left of the US bases at Subic is a few bunkers that have been taken over either by the goverment, businesses or conservation groups. Some of the checkpoints are still up but our bases are assimilated. The old landing strip is passed off as an international airport. The naval base is commercial shipyards.
They wanted us out now China is making their life a living hell. When I was over there, there was things on the new every day about China and the Spratleys. The US *if* we go back should make the Philippines build a new base. They have a nice one on Roxas Blvd in Manila. The only up is anyone stationed over there will be living large 1 US dollar is 40 over there.
I agree Joe, the way how things are going are very scary and we should fear for ourselves, US is playing dangerous games, too much minding other countries business, it's little too late now because US will continue with its strategy and politic and the way they do things which is their way and no other way and it s been always like this! we have no business in the middle east neither near China etc... we can't even control the drug cartel right next to us! but we love to be the bully and I wonder why kids complain about others been bully! it runs in the family
I agree. How can we afford this? The irony is that it is all enabled because of chinese lending! (and we continue to squander it on military rather than spend on infrastructure and education within the US)
The only person you would trust with their finger on the atomic trigger is Ron Paul ? You do realize he is 76 years old. I'd be afraid he'd push the button trying to change to the Weather Channel !
jim Ledden:
Cool comment and so true. But the hole thing is scary thinking that Dumbama wants to add military power to the Philippines where we don't have enough pots to piss in at home.
What an idiot!
China cannot withdraw the money! It can only sell the bonds to someone else! And, if they did that, the bond prices would tumble and they would lose their shirts in the process! Next, China is not the #1 purchaser of US treasury notes! It is US State govts and municipalities followed by insurance companies.
Good stategy! We're about to quit banking with China. The interest is just too gwaddamn high. China can adapt to the way we helped Her become , or She can pitch a fit. She does the former She may yet attain true greatness. She chooses the latter, well, it won't be pretty. She needs to be preparing Herself for the ultimate and sure unharnessing of Her burdensome hames of totalitarianism and mercantilism. Indo-China area likes what we're doing as well. Be very careful China.
After watching the Republican Debate in Florida, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Mitt and Rick were the worst. Newt also had a "let's go kick their butt" mentality. Ron was the only one who was humane about it the whole thing.
If Obama loses, and I hope he doesn't, I would only want Ron in the White House.
Wish I could encircle my banker with 11 aircraft carriers. Maybe I would get a reduced intrest rate like the very wealthy who will not be paying for these bases. No, the poor and middleclass will be forced to fork over the money to build bases in the Phillipines. The rich will profit from them.
How long ago was it that they told us to get out? Let's stay out. It's another play for oil. Oil in the Spratly Islands that China, Viet Nam, the Philippines, and Brunei all are claiming. Let China take them. They will then need less Iranian oil. That's good for us. China won't have to ship oil so far. Good for the environment and us. China will then owe us some minor concession in the future. That's good for us.
We should be pulling our troops back, not putting more over there. Bring the troops/money back to the US. If the Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos are worried about China, then let them use their own money and people to counter them. We cannot afford to continue to be the protector/police of the entire planet.
You ever wonder why Filipinos starts with an "F" and Philippines starts with a "PH"?
Guess Mr. Obama needs a place to park the 12,000 troops he sent into Libya after their "GROUND combat" tour of duty.
Yeah, I was on one of the last ships to visit Olongapo before it was shut down.....then the scavengers came across the fence and took everything, including the kitchen sink, from the base after our forces departed.
And here we are....Mr. Obama wants to establish another based in the Phillipines. I can see the protests now.
I guess its okay to chime in here and express my well thought out opinion? It is a very good idea to for the US government to think well ahead when it comes to China and block any aggression they are without a doubt going to be showing in the near future. Yes you are right all parties were involved in the last fiasco in the Iraq war and the nation rebuilding that cost trillions of American debt. The true numbers are not out there on the debt as of yet. I am not going to point fingers of who was at fault on the Iraq war because anybody with a good intellectual thinking and common sense was not blinded by the smoke and mirrors. No doubt we needed to be in Iraq but on a different level. The days where a rich individual or individuals think thay can do what they want with no repercussions are over. We need to counter every move of China ahead of the game. This is real life yes there were a lot of rich idiots who got America in this mess the last thirty years. I am not profiling anybody to be rich is not a bad thing but what you do with your wealth is another. If you want to through it a way fine do it. If you want to buy an American election for you and your buddies own selfish gain without moral any thought of others not thats not a good idea anymore . Not all money is good money and whoever thinks they are above the law because of wealth are wrong in their thinking. The people behind the scenes who have sacrificed their lives and their families lives to protect life as all know it in this nation are very tired of protecting bad money. It makes OUR NATION weak when WE are carrying this much debt and all of our manufacturing is done over seas. You are wrong whoever said we would fail because of countering China, America will never fail ifwe stand up for what is right or protect our children's futures. If the American economy were to collapse it would be all out world war because we are basically the Global Economy. China knows this as well as all other countries with a large economy. These are very complicated times and we need very intelligent people handling the situation that we are facing not tomorrow but TODAY. For example about what caused many of these problems :it doesn't mean because your grand daddy was rich and left you a lot of money that you are intelligent. It is good that grand daddy was smart and hopefully a good fellow but if somebody were elected into public office because their grand daddy was rich that was a poor idea. Okay I can go on and on, I hope some of you have got the point we elected idiots to run our great nation. We are all guilty for letting it happen in the first place. Economics is only one part of this great nation and yes we are hurting in that area right now granted. We need to keep moving in the direction are going which is painfully repairing the past mistakes that have been made on all sides of the isle.Obama needs to stay in office for another term and everybody doing public service need to chip and fix this mess. Forget about the parties and think about our people which is the greatest investment anybody could make. If we as nation are weak then it doesn't matter how much money an individuals have it could loose value completely or not be properly protected. (HANSET)We do have a lot of people here at home who are well trained in theory we are one great big base if you put enough thought into it. We need our manufacturing back here at home that is a priority number one to offset our dependance on China for our own goods. All parties need to pull together right now because its all on the line right now for our country and our people. Common sense shows that we can't go back to the old system of doing things it just doesn't work anymore. We have to adapt to the unique situation that is at hand which is sink or swim. There is no such thing as greed in TEAMWORK. China is not the only issue Russian itelligence has increased over twelve percent since the end of the cold war era. Please I implore all Americans to open their eyes everything that is at stake here. The next six to ten years are going to be more important at all levels in America then the last fifty. Thanks for reading this to whoever does this was not meant to offend anybody and I know I can't please everybody. Good luck and Good night to all...((THIS IS NOT SPAM...))
You ever wonder why Filipinos starts with an "F" and Philippines starts with a "PH"?
Because one is a Spanish word and the other is English. Duh. Want even more mind blowing? It's "Pilipino" in Tagalog.
The war lovers and profiteers are looking forward to another war in Southeast Asia as soon as US involvement in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan draw to a close.
In the '60s, the war lovers used the 'Domino Theory' to sacrifice 58,000 American sons and daughters in Vietnam. When Saigon became Ho Chi Minh City, nobody, not a single medium exposed the lies and propaganda of the war lovers who entangled America in a win-less war. Same as to Iraqi's WMD, war on terrorism, or the allegation of Taliban's housing Osama Bin Laden.
As the unchallenged victor of the Cold War, American war mongers have sent America's war machines through out the world, intimidating and attacking secretly with drones and commandos killing thousands. Karma will strike back when the world community gets fed-up with US military aggression.
We already flushed $1 TRILLION dollars into two wars we didn't win and which did not accomplish too much. Do we want to spend the next decade and ANOTHER $1 TRILLION to revive those happy days of the Cold War with the Soviets?
This is insane.
Ugh more militarism at its finest. Our country will never change... Why not worry about our border between texas and mexico before we worry about what china will be doing in 10 years..
these politicians amaze me.
when will people realize that wars of tomorrow will not be fought with guns but with currency and trade?
Time to get Subic Bay back up to speed?
I wonder if The Catwalk Club is still there? Ah, those were the days..
Subic bay is now a tourist trap
and filled with traps.
Re open T's tavern, NOW!
Anybody remember Jolo's in Olongopo? Many a fleet sailor cried real tears when that place burned down!
Tell China to bring it! Last time I checked, we were pretty high up on the list of the people that buy their crap merchandise.
They say not to bite the hand that feeds you. But if the mouth shuts because it's being slapped by that hand, all feeding stops. And they know it.
So go ahead China. We dare you.
Crap merchandise....that is what is made in America.
I am a manufacturer. NONE of my US suppliers deliver on time. None of my US suppliers have any inventory.
All my Chinese deliveries are on time , even if someone has to work extra hours.
Recession... Where?...not in the US. NOBODY will work an extra 15 minutes to get something out on time.
I call China, I talk to an engineer who speaks perfect English...no pushing endless numbers for 1/2 an hour. No having to listen to messages in some foreign language. No talking to an uneducated moron who speaks spanglish.
I have gone through 5 different US injection molders in 5 years. I have NEVER had a single order filled on time ever....Recession?
China is not putting military bases all over the world, that is the US.
Last year the additional amount we spent on military compared to China was enough to build about 5000 one hundred million dollar factories.... that is ONE year
Simmer down Dave! Last i checked China wasn't expanding it's military bases in the Western Hemisphere or threatening the United States. All you people who get so alarmed about China are the ones who go to Target, check the prices on your Chinese made merchandise than go buy on Amazon or Overstock using your IPHONE made in China, etc. Better to examine your purchasing priorities and the manufacturing policies of the corporations that you buy from.
Whatever, Randy. They didn't have a hard time with poisoning us with their cadmium laced trinkets, or the dog food that killed our pets, etc. There is nothing good about China. They're a manufacturing base for these traitor companies. As a country, they oppress their people.
Do we have a choice? Sure. Don't buy their stuff. But it's a little difficult when they flood the market with their garbage. The point is, is that we're protecting other Asian countries FROM China. You think Taiwan wants to be under Chinese rule? Obviously the Philippines feels threatened by them as well. Yeah, it's a great country you're defending there Randolf.
In the Cold War, trying to keep up with us ended up breaking the Soviet Union. In this new Cold War, we will break ourselves trying to keep ahead of the Chinese. Military build up is not the right course to follow. It serves no useful long-term purpose.
Wage peace. Build schools. Educate the populace, especially the women. Get control of over-population before we are all fighting over resources.
Wage peace at home, build schools at home, Educate the populace at home, especially women. Get control of over-population at home before we allow the government to build anymore rich people's profit centers called millitary bases.
So long as we have naval power, America's mainland can never be touched (except by Mexico, which is why the Germans flirted with Mexico in world war I, but these days the country is too weak to try anything). But in order to maintain that safety net, we cannot allow a power to rise in the Pacific, which is why we are picking on China now. Same reason we went to war with Japan, actually.
On the plus side, at least we're making the new bases on traditionally pro-US areas, (Philippines, Australia, ect...) It means the local populace won't fight against us moving in as much, and they know how it can help their economies.
Between these new bases, Japan, and Korea we are starting to have a nice line of bases that span the Pacific again while we draw down strength in other areas like Iraq and close our unneeded bases in Iceland and such. This limits China's movement with us to the South\East, and India to the west. Hell if I can tell what Russia plans though if they're smart they're setting up their own border defenses...
torngenes. Your comments are "way" to rational and intelligent. You really should not be posting with us monkeys here on the internet.....
Randog, where was torngenes wrong? Cant you see just like Great Britain after WW2 and the Soviet Union we are following in their footsteps, a strong economy will support a strong military (not sure why we need such a large military though) our dept will destroy our military more surely than any foreign enemy. Seems we look for enemy's to fight, why is that? You might look up what General Eisenhower said about the military. complex.
So let me get this straight. The United States is broke and needs to cut government spending. Instead of finding ways to save money, someone decides it would be a good idea to spend more money - the country doesn't have - to build another base in a foreign country. Talk about brain dead!
A new Nazi empire on the rise. Always innovating to find new ways to kill and maime people cheaper and without leaving their finger prints. How much more blood will have to be spilled before American war machine is satisfied.
What worries me greatly is that we have been converting Communist China over to a fascist totalitarian superpower (armed with ICBMs and nuclear warheads), by converting their economic system over to capitalism without corresponding changes to their totalitarian political system along the way. Nazi Germany and fascist Italy were both totalitarian capitalistic systems, and now China is in the process of becoming one, too. I have been trying to warn everyone about this for several years already, but sadly to little or no avail. If you convert Communist China over from a communist economic system to a capitalistic economic system without altering its totalitarian political nature along the way, you have simply converted Red China from a communist totalitarian superpower into a fascist totalitarian superpower, and one that is armed with ICBMs and nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, we lost the ability to hold Red China's "feet to the fire" when it comes to future political reform, by essentially liquidating our own U.S. economy and exporting it to China. - Rick Carter
I wanted to declare martial law, and arrest all of these corrupt politicians who have become corrupted by these multinational corporations, who in turn have been liquidating our U.S. economy and exporting our U.S. economy to other countries for decades now (mostly to Red China), if only the American people would see fit to elect me as POTUS in 2012. Most of these corrupt politicians need to be tried for treason and other serious crimes before a future military tribunal. Unfortunately, the majority of the American people (who are terminally infected with these ET installed "End Time" Abrahamic religions) would have none of this, so from here on out I am personally forced to leave the American people to their own devices. - Rick Carter
HERE ARE THREE LINKS WHICH ALL AMERICANS NEED TO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH !!!
When are you all finally going to listen ??? This is all one great big orchestrated "shakedown", both here in the U.S. and in Europe, too! There are powerful multinational corporations backed by corrupt private international bankers who are manipulating every single bit of this global economic trouble, including Red China's rise to power and the continuing trouble in the Middle East. Please see important links below.
census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0015.html
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080
youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs (3.5 hours long)
~ Rick Carter
(All of this evil activity in our world has correspondingly been covertly set up and orchestrated by (long established) outside offensive totalitarian ETs, who have been covertly plotting the future demise of our emerging human world, for the ultimate purpose of stealing and annex our extremely valuable celestial real estate, and one day rendering the entire human race extinct on this planet. It was these outside offensive totalitarian ETs who covertly installed all three of the corrupt Abrahamic religions while repeatedly masquerading as Divinity toward mankind, which in turn are all critical biocybernetic warfare components of a larger ET designed PWMD, or Program Weapon of Mass Destruction, which is intended to crash and explode our emerging human world in a final programmed cataclysm of global warfare fueled with WMDs, known as the Christian Apocalypse or World War III. If this comes to pass, then please know ahead of time that it will be outside offensive totalitarian ETs "coming in the clouds" militarily, while once more masquerading as Divinity toward mankind, this time as the returning Christ or Messiah. Mankind potentially has countless millions (even billions) of years of growth, development and expansion ahead of them, so long as they don't fall for these ET installed ("End Time") terminal religious belief systems.) - Rick Carter
What a joke!!!!! Another million to hundreds of millions thrown to the dogs while our people here at home are suffering weak employment, failing infrastructure, home losses, wage cuts, and cost of living wage increases that can not keep up with inflation, and the list can go on and on......... Go ahead America, vote in another dumb a**, or keep the one we have, it won't' matter. Nothing is going to change. Our government will never put it's own people first again. Yea.....In worthless speeches to get votes, but when the smoke and mirrors clear, your government really don't give a sh*t what you want or need. Screw you and me, X country needs our tax money more than we do.... haven't you figured that out yet?? Wake up American citizen and welcome to the nightmare that you thought was just some pizza induced dream. It's for real.
This will end badly.
Stop wasting our money and destabilizing the world.
2.2 billion people. If they all jumped up and down at the same time, they could knock earth off of its axis. China has been historically non agressive, but that could change. I say, keep an eye out.
@nick de- Just to get an idea of the enormous population of China: If every man, woman, and child were to just disappear in the U.S. and the population of China replaced the lost population of the U.S., China would still have over a billion people in their country.
There are more english speaking people in China than there are in America.
Want to counter China in the Pacific and by extension, the world? Stop exporting jobs and importing products from China.
Go ahead - full bore. Rescue the PI economy - re-build Subic and especially
the charming city of Olongopo. Ahhh the memories . . . We had a 7:1 exchange rate
and dined like kings.
I wonder if General Eisenhower was correct when he warned about the military industrial complex, are we constantly looking for new enemy's so we have a reason for this incredibly large military we have. We need to get all these military industrial company's another reason to exist. This is all about money!
We are colluding with China. You have to remember it's all smoke and mirrors in Washington DC, the District of Crime and Corruption. We will be living in a New World Order sooner than you think.
I'm not sure what kind of military expansion they are talking about. If they are building another military base, I strongly disagree with that. I don't want Philippines to be another battleground between China and the US.
It looks like they are trying to convince China we hate them.One possible end to that is easy to see.They do what the two militaries of China and Russia having been talking about for years ,an sign an alliance.Russian raw materials and Chinese manpower are a good fit.Since China and Russia have been friendly for several years and signed treaties recognizing each others borders as permanent, they don't have any arguments on that score.They both fear the idea of a Western New Order,so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they pardner with each other.
I apologize that my grammer, spelling and sentence structure in my last posting on here was not up to snuff with some literary critics on here but the main theme of the posting was critical thinking of our situation here in America at the present time, past and future.
Thanks; MDW..
I think we should consider China's growing military power and presence while they are simultaneously becoming an increasing economic power. Consider that China is also playing a dangerous game and should expect a response from the United States. Consider that China's growing military power and presence is what set off America's decision to increase its presence in the Pacific.
China has proven in the past that they will not hesitate to use its military might as a means of securing territory. If China is left unchecked, then the day will come when they will be in a position to sue for territory without firing a shot and the U.S. and its Pacific allies will be left with having to accommodate Chinese demands.
Neither America not its Asian allies want to do this out of a sense of adventurism, but rather, out of a sense of necessity. Consider that these countries are in negotiation with us, its is also beneficial to their security and sovereignty.
We left Japanese expansionism in Asia and the Pacific run rampant for nearly fifty years. In 1929, we sank about 60% of our fleet as part of an agreement made by several nations around the world, Japan having been one of them, but they never lived up to their end of the bargain. Sixteen years later we had to engage them in the bloodiest conflict the world has ever known.
Let us not put ourselves in the position of having to negotiate from a position of weakness, but maintain peace through strength, otherwise, we will fight from an inferior position. Ronald Reagan said during his 1980 campaignthat weak countries have to defend themselves through war. They usually lose. Strength is what won the Cold War without ever directly fighting the Soviets or launching a nuclear weapon. There is something to be said for MAD.
"Those who do not remember history are bound to repeat it".
Mine is but an alternative point of view to attempt balance in this controversial topic.
You got that right!
Obama is responsible for countless jobs in Florida by allowing the A-29 Super Tucano fighter jet to be build there. This is more than bush jr ever did in his wasted Presidency.
I think it is a sensible strategy, only this time we should base our troops in the southern island of Mindanao. Mindanao is where most of the terrorist groups in the world have a foothold. Al Qaeda, MILF(not the one you think it is), MNLF and the NPA. The first three are Islamic terror groups and the NPA is a communist group that prides itself on extorting money from various businesses and government officials. So, hell yeah, it would be good to increase our presence in the Philippines since we already have advisors there now. Even without China trying to be the big bully in the region our assistance to the Philippines in getting rid of these groups is a good idea, and having a base of operations in the region is a definite plus.
People power kicked our sorry a$$ out of the phillippines, remember, now their begging us back???
Really Seth and Amy??? (SNL reference for the peacock!)
Look, if we're going to take chinas money, cheap and Foxconn goods and then prance all over the pacific in their face
We'll all be speaking mandarin by the end of Obama's soon to be second term.
We left the phillippines, left Iraq, left Vietnam .
Lets stay away. Paul '12