Arab League halts observer mission due to violence

NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.

Updated 12:51 p.m. ET: Syria says it regrets an Arab League decision to halt its mission monitoring a peace plan in the country, official state television reported on Saturday.

"Syria regrets and is surprised at the Arab decision to stop the work of its monitoring mission after it asked for a one-month extension of its work,'' Syria Television reported in an urgent news flash.

Updated at 11:31 a.m. ET: The Arab League halted its observer mission to Syria on Saturday, sharply criticizing the regime of President Bashar Assad for escalating violence in recent days that has killed nearly 100 people across the country.

"Given the critical deterioration of the situation in Syria and the continued use of violence ... it has been decided to immediately stop the work of the Arab League's mission to Syria pending presentation of the issue to the league's council," Arab League Secretary-General Nabil Elaraby said in a statement.

AP

This citizen journalism image provided by the Local Coordination Committees in Syria purports to show anti-Syrian regime protesters during a demonstration in Idlib province, Syria Friday.

A delegate at the league said no date had yet been fixed for a meeting of the council on Syria.

The rising bloodshed has added urgency to new attempts by Arab and Western countries to find a resolution to the 10 months of violence that according to the United Nations has killed at least 5,400 people as Assad seeks to crush persistent protests demanding an end to his rule.

But the initiatives continue to face two major obstacles: Damascus' rejection of an Arab peace plan which it says impinges on its sovereignty, and Russia's willingness to use its U.N. Security Council veto to protect Syria from sanctions.

Syrian government forces clashed with anti-regime army defectors across the country on Saturday. At least 20 were reported killed in the clashes and other violence. The new deaths come after two days of bloody turmoil killed at least 74 people, including small children.

NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin visits Zabadani and speaks with members of theĀ anti-regime Free Syria Army.

The Arab League and Western countries are pushing for a U.N. Security Council resolution on Syria.

The Security Council discussed a European-Arab draft resolution on Friday aimed at halting the bloodshed.

Russia, which joined China in vetoing a previous Western draft resolution in October and which has since promoted its own draft, said the European-Arab version was unacceptable in its present form but said it was willing to "engage" on it.

Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said Moscow wanted a Syrian-led political process, not "an Arab League-imposed outcome of a political process that has not yet taken place" or Libyan-style "regime change.

The Arab League said it was in talks with Russia ahead of a Security Council meeting in New York. Britain and France said they hoped to put the draft resolution to a vote next week.

Published at 7:30 a.m. ET: A Syrian opposition group claimed Saturday that 130 people had been killed across the country in just 24 hours by President Bashar al-Assad's forces.

The U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported the death toll while speaking to NBC News in London.

Activists also told Reuters Saturday that the bodies of 17 men previously held by Syrian security forces have been found in the city of Hama.

"They were killed execution-style, mostly with one bullet to the head. Iron chains that had tied them were left on their legs as a message to the people to stop resisting," Abu al-Walid, an activist in the city, told Reuters by telephone.

Another activist said the bodies, their hands tied with plastic wire and some with their legs chained, were dumped in the streets of five Hama neighborhoods on Thursday evening.

Turkey was due to meet Gulf Arab states later Saturday to reinforce support for an Arab call for Assad to quit.

The Arab League and Western countries are pushing for a U.N. Security Council resolution on Syria, resisted by Assad's ally Russia. The U.N. Security Council discussed a new European-Arab draft resolution on Friday aimed at halting the bloodshed.  

The United Nations Children's Fund also said Friday that at least 384 children had been killed and virtually the same number had been jailed during the course of the uprising.

UN Security Council weights action on Syria

The U.N., which estimated in mid-December that more than 5,000 people had been killed, says it can no longer keep track of the total death toll. The Syrian government says insurgents have killed more than 2,000 soldiers and policemen.

'Siding with the Syrian people'
Turkey urged Syria's leadership to comply with an Arab League transition plan that calls on Assad to step down.

"We are siding with the Syrian people and their legitimate demands," Turkish President Abdullah Gul was quoted as saying by the United Arab Emirates newspaper al-Bayan.

Outside Syria capital, suburbs look like war zones

Turkish officials say the number of Syrians seeking sanctuary in Turkey has risen in the past six weeks, with 50 to 60 arriving daily, taking the total living in refugee camps to nearly 9,600 from about 7,000 previously.

More than 6,000 Syrian refugees have fled to Lebanon.

Turkey, which spent years rebuilding relations with Syria, turned against Assad after he ignored its advice to enact reforms to calm what began in March as a peaceful uprising against his rule, inspired by Arab revolts elsewhere.

Russia, which joined China in vetoing a previous Western draft U.N> resolution in October and which has since promoted its own draft, said the European-Arab version was unacceptable in its present form but added that it was willing to "engage" on it.

Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin criticized the draft, which endorses the Arab transition plan.

Moscow, he said, wants a Syrian-led political process, not "an Arab League-imposed outcome of a political process that has not yet taken place" or Libyan-style "regime change."

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Cut off the arms supply and let them fight it out with sticks and stones !!!

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Reply#1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:44 AM EST

Not a bad idea. That would mean cutting off Iran, by the way.

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#1.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:14 PM EST

Too late bob! The whole world is awash with weapons thanks to the arms industries of the USA, Britain, France and Russia. Those producung weapons love non-stop conflicts all around the world. The business of selling weapons is very, very profitable! AND THE BUSINESS OF AMERICA IS BUSINESS!!!!

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#1.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:31 PM EST

in the future; outside intervention has been abandoned for human civility there..in the future; they will produce more; Meanness, Vengance & Terroristic Rage..Why ??..we ask, well its a simple equation..Mistreat humans & dogs & one produces desperation as said..is biting/ striking back justified because of what led up to Madness ??..Rough Choices, often lead to; Rough Situations.............

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#1.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:04 PM EST

Nobody can help those middle east countries, they can't even help themselves after their leaders are taken out of power by them. Let them deal with it until they come to peace or they are history...their choice!

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#1.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:12 PM EST

well said mike!!

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:41 PM EST

The reality is that these "rebels" represent a small minority in Syria. If there truly were a majority that wanted Assad gone, he would already be gone. I just hope that we have the sense to stay out of this one. The US and other western nations have no business interfering in what is going on in Syria. If the UN wants to try and do something, then let the UN deal with it. NATO is not the UNs military force. If the Arab League wants Assad out, let them send in their own troops to get it done. Surely the combined militaries of the Arab League nations can handle Assad without any help from the US or NATO.

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#1.6 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:43 PM EST

I agree. This situation needs a real good leaving alone. However, it doesn't really matter what the majority wants as long as the minority has all the weapons.

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#1.7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:41 PM EST

Seems that the Arab League representatives went to Syria, observed enough violence, then went home.

Mission accomplished.

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#1.8 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:55 PM EST

Really, who gives a rat's ___? LET THEM FIGHT IT OUT amongst themselves, those civilized Arabs, who'd rather live in the Stone Age, anyway, with their attitudes, and not wanting any of our help. Screw 'em. Let them contimue to fight themselves, keep the oil flowing to finance them killing each other, and let us alone. The Mideast Arab countries are a waste except for oil.

    #1.9 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:10 PM EST

    Would be a smart time for the "Syrian Protesters" to agree to talks with the Syrian government, with a neutral 3rd party mediating. They are probably hoping for another Libya here, but I just don't see it happening.

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    #1.10 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:13 PM EST

    Syria should not care much for the Sunni dominated Arab league dominated by the barbaric, beastly and bigoted seventh century despotic Saudi rulers and others.

    Let the Arab League nations, Saudi Arabia and their puppets jump to the sea or sky. They can't do much!

    Violence in their own nations is more than Syria.

      #1.11 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:53 AM EST
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      Let the Arab League and/or Russina deal with it. Yes, I just combined Russia and China.

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      Reply#2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:50 AM EST

      I agree. Let Syria, Iran, Shiites in Iraq with the help of Russia and China start bulldozing Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia and other Sunni barbarian nations trying to manipulate the world with oil, oil companies and their lobbyists.

      These barbarians manipulated Iraq wars and raised oil prices sky high!

        #2.1 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:57 AM EST

        "bulldozing Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia"

        That won't happen. Even Russina knows that.

          #2.2 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:41 AM EST
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          The scary thing is that right now, somewhere in America, some stupid kid is thinking to himself that a trip to Syria sounds like a good idea.

          • 18 votes
          Reply#3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:52 AM EST

          Probably a spoiled brat Occupier anarchist.

          • 4 votes
          #3.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:27 AM EST

          And he thinks he is bettering the world. Yuk!

          • 2 votes
          #3.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:56 AM EST

          Well I support that 'anarchists' vision of freedom over your vision of order and control.

            #3.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:55 PM EST

            Good thing your opinion counts for absolutely jack @!$%#.

            • 1 vote
            #3.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:01 PM EST

            Good call Raisa. An nice pic too.

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            #3.5 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:07 AM EST
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            The amazing thing about Assad is that he is a physician by profession, yet he is killing his own people.

            So much for the Oath of Hippocrates...

            • 17 votes
            Reply#4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:05 AM EST

            He's a muslim ... what oath? all bets are off

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            #4.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:42 PM EST

            Assad thought it said "First, do harm". A common rookie mistake.

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            #4.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:49 PM EST

            Actually, BBG-3562398, Assad is an Allawite. Most mainstream Muslims do not consider Allawites to be Muslims.

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            #4.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:15 PM EST

            Do Allawites consider themselves Muslim? Do they read the same stupid book?

              #4.4 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:33 AM EST

              Amongst the ME Muslim rulers, especially compared to Sunni ones, Assad is 100 percent better.

              Look at Sunni Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Kuwait and other rulers.

              Even the Arab League observers' head Sudanese Gen was responsible for more than genocides of 300000 Christians in Darfur.

              In the name of oil, these Saudi Arabia and their puppets like Arab League, UN, human rights groups, oil companies and their lobbyists are inventing volcanoes where fire is there.

                #4.5 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:04 AM EST
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                The Arab League will meet and say that this is how Ass-Head is "reaching out to the opposition" to discuss change. Tomorrow the KILLING continues. Meanwhile the COWARD'S Hussein, Hillary Clinton, the EU and NATO stand aside and say, "Sorry Syria-No OIL, No HELP. Prepare to DIE.

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                Reply#5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:15 AM EST

                Well, that's better than looking under the desk for WMD's, isn't it?

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                #5.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:57 AM EST

                So you think we're getting oil from Libya? You think we're getting oil from Iraq? What rock have you been sleeping under?

                • 7 votes
                #5.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:45 AM EST

                Amazing how the people's military can be utilized against the people. That pathetic little dictator needs to be dealt with in a manner similar to how he is handling his people.

                • 6 votes
                #5.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:05 AM EST

                Looking at the poster the Syrians wrote "In the concept of modern human justice Syrian people are numbers not souls," and then reading the article of the numbers killed, I have to empathize with the people of Syria.

                For the posters who say "Let the Arab League deal with this," the Arab League is NOT and does NOT have a military component. They are a group of countries who launch literacy campaigns, they try to help the member states with social, cultural and economic programs - they are NOT like NATO which has a fighting force.

                For those that are able to watch the News for the Middle East (real news in the ME) - some members of Assad's military are now defecting to the other side - the side that wants freedom from the harsh Martial Law like conditions they live under - these soldiers just will not shoot at their fellow countrymen.

                Syria may develop into an all out civil war - but remember, they are souls, not numbers as they die.

                Some of you may be to young to remember when the Soviet Union broke up - Russian and the other states held elections, etc. Most countries economies FAILED, life was worse after the collapse because they were so used to their corrupt Communist system - which was replaced with an ill-thought out corrupt semi-capitalistic one.

                The Assad family has been running Syria for a very long time, since 1971 to be exact. The current Assad's father was brutal - I'm sure the people want to be free but are scared at the same time - any major change is scary. It's scary when one changes jobs, let along fights with a gun against a tank to save ones family.

                Again, I ask that posters have some decency, some respect for the loss of life and the struggle for civil rights that is happening in Syria today.

                For the posters who say "they hate the West," no they do not, the young people are on Facebook, Twitter, listen to our music, etc - some may not like our meddling which has cost the lives of those they know, if that is too hard a concept for you, please think about it.

                It seems to me that the REAL hate is coming from America - we are the ones saying we hate them - without reason - you know the poster's that always want to "nuke em," and "who cares about the..... middle-easterner" of the day.

                This is not a joke to the people in Syria and I think it is very disturbing to find comments that make light of the death of any one's child or the child's parents- no matter what country the child or their family was born in. It's potluck were you are born.

                Info about the Arab League: http://www.arab.de/arabinfo/league.htm

                I am not saying that the US should interfere, I believe we have proven to be extremely INEFFECTIVE in these situations - that said, I do think that people of the US should not laugh at other people's misery.

                • 19 votes
                #5.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:37 AM EST

                @ Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget

                Excellent excellent excellent post! At first glance I was hesitant to read it due to its long length, but I'm glad I did! Very well spoken! Could not agree more!

                • 5 votes
                #5.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:25 AM EST

                Saudi Arabia has a huge modern military, let them start a "Coalition of the Willing" and let them and the Syrian people and sanctions handle this. I have seen our troops used in enough countries. We do not need to be the world's policemen.

                • 10 votes
                #5.6 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:42 AM EST

                This is nothing, wait till people find out how many valuables are in the almost dried up euphrates. that is when people are really going to kill each other. Especially with the worlds' economy going down the drain, people are going to finish each other off like crazy. They are already finding stuff near the euphrates as we speak, wait till they find all of it.

                  #5.7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:52 PM EST

                  Thank you Chicago Mario - sometimes I think I should reduce what I say to nonsensical or off-topic one liners just for dumb stars (like so many other posters do), but I don't care about stars, I care about people.

                  • 6 votes
                  #5.8 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:57 PM EST

                  Black Kettle and Sand Creek, your posting is the only one that sounds sane. I have seen most Americans either make fun or get pleasure in the deaths of people of other countries specially if those people are not from white nations except Russia. It is insane. All people are just as human as Americans.They are fathers, sons and brothers, mothers, daughters and sisters of soemone.

                  • 4 votes
                  #5.9 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:45 PM EST

                  Where's that sniper with the 50cal/laser sight setup a mile away on a hill when thousands really need him?

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.10 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:03 PM EST

                  Black Kettle, Sand Creed, Pat

                  I couldn't agree more. There is something seriously wrong with the hearts (and maybe heads?) of so many posting here.

                  I wouldn't go so far as to so say the posts here are representative of all Americans feelings. It takes...a special kind of person to take the time to post on these articles.

                    #5.11 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:02 PM EST
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                    Oh, well. This should serve as a lesson to the Syrian "freedom activists":

                    DON'T START a fight you can't finish!

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:50 AM EST

                    people dont fall for there pleas ! they don't like the west ! they would want too kill us next. let the Muslims kill among them self's. at least it keep there suicide bombers busy there and not here !

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:06 AM EST

                    The Syrian people don't hate the USA. They just hate their own dictatorship. We can help mainly by supporting them from a distance, lending support through the UN and regional countries who border on Syria, such as Turkey. Just don't lend any support to any armed projects by Israel. That is the best thing we can do.

                    • 4 votes
                    #7.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:52 AM EST

                    When the Nazis came for the communists,
                    I remained silent;
                    I was not a communist.
                    When they locked up the social democrats,
                    I remained silent;
                    I was not a social democrat.
                    When they came for the trade unionists,
                    I did not speak out;
                    I was not a trade unionist.
                    When they came for the Jews,
                    I did not speak out;
                    I was not a Jew.
                    When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

                    Friedrich Gustav Martin Niemöller's

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                    #7.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:55 PM EST
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                    This is an incipiant civil war. I say: Let 'em fight it out with involving us. If the Arab League want to get involved in this mess in Syria, have at it - but leave the USA out of it.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#8 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:22 AM EST

                    Do you have any money? Are you willing to empty out your pocket books? How do you feel about losing your lives in great numbers due to a United States & Allie occupation? How do you feel about rebuilding your burned out country? What collateral do you have for America's 1% and a few others? Many questions..... Be careful what you're asking for.....

                      Reply#9 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:25 AM EST

                      Arab League "halts mission." Translation: They couldn't count high enough to keep up with Ass-Head's number of People SLAUGHTERED.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#10 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:34 AM EST

                      Remember when Clinton was President and Madeline Albright was the Sec of State. The European countries wanted the USA to fight in the Balkan mess. It was European business - not our business. Clinton couldn't wait to act like a war-time President so he use our Airforce and Navy to do the European's wishes. We should have let the Europeans do what the Europeans wanted to do - without involving the USA. There are times when our interests are deeply involved in some foreign country and require US action. We may have fight Iran over the nuclear issue. The Arab spring is not our fight, though Obama has gotten us up to our keisters in it. As a matter of fact, Obama has helped overthrow governments either friendly to the USA or governments that we had finally convinced to behave themselves - making them, if not friendly at least docile. Let's stay out of this. Let the Europeans or the Arab League deal with it.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#11 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:35 AM EST

                      The Arab League is good for nothing.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#12 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:37 AM EST

                      The Arab League is NOT a military force - and yes, it does help people in the League, especially women.

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                      #12.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:48 AM EST

                      But Arab nations do have militaries and money . All they need is one strong bombardment of the capital then let the rebels handle it.

                      • 3 votes
                      #12.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:33 AM EST
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                      Well, the problem is, these people will blame the "West" for no intervention when in fact it is Russia and China that are stonewalling any attempt to assist these people. Look, everyone went completely nutz when we assisted in Libya, but we did not put boots on the ground, we assisted with the NATO mission. All i am saying is the same thing should be done for Syria.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#13 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:51 AM EST

                      America dropped or launched 20,000 bombs and missiles on Libya. now the new leaders are torturing and killing all the blacks. So we killed about 50,000 Libyans so Arabs could continue Arab Muslim expansion into Africa. America's policies help spread ethnic cleansing and genocide.

                      • 3 votes
                      #13.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:37 AM EST

                      Well said!

                      • 2 votes
                      #13.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST

                      @Shawn - you lost me at:

                      these people

                      It shows how little you regard the men, women and children of Syria. They bleed blood the same as you do.

                      • 4 votes
                      #13.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:52 AM EST
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                      Another prime example on how muslims can not govern with out violence, every country they run has the same issues. They can talk all they want, but while America and the "west" governments are not perfect we at least have freedoms and controls without mass murder of our people, mass arrests and such are another issue..

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#14 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:43 AM EST

                      Turkey is a muslim country that functions pretty well. So is Jordan. Its not impossible. It does require enlightened leadership, an educated population. The Kurdish north in Iraq also is a functioning government. They may not be perfect examples of a perfect American style republic, but then again neither are we anymore.

                      The Arab League and Russia are going to have to take the lead in Syria. This is not like Libya.

                      • 3 votes
                      #14.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:51 AM EST

                      Russia is willing to engage but the Arab League should not get in bed with Russia until it has the

                      engagement ring.and they understand one another because more lives of Syrians are at stake

                        #14.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:00 AM EST

                        Anita Turkey kills Kurds all the time. They even use chemical weapons against them. On both sides of the border.

                        • 3 votes
                        #14.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST

                        While Turkey was a good example, they are moving backwards in the last 10 years since the 1920 revolution.

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                        #14.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:40 AM EST
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                        Money Truth - yes, we did a wonderful with Katrina. Read the book, Zeitoun, by David Eggers. We had massive jails set up for people who staying behind instead of busing them out. Our National Guard though it was "fun" to ball up sandwiches in their hands and throw them over the wall at the Superdome to see who could catch one...

                        If you live in a glass house, you should not throw stones and the US is a glass house.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#15 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:53 AM EST

                        While there is no defense for the actions you have listed, the fact with Katrina that keeps getting overlooked is that they started giving evacutation orders for the region over 72 hours, and people in the region chose to ignore them. At 30 hours out the goverment was telling everyone to drop everything and leave. If they stayed that is not a goverment issue. Unlike earthquakes they had ample warning to move. Yes, the "after effect" of them refusing to follow a lawfully issued evacuation order was bad, vrey bad, and yes there was - still is - a huge mess from it. The point was we in American do not as a rule go around killing protesters in the street, we did not take the displaced woman and perform "virginity" tests then rape the ones that failed(BBC - Egypt police). Again, the U.S.A. is not perfect, we have issues, crime, abuse of the law by those in power (as proven by obama last month), really poor crisis planning (as shown by bush) that should not stop others from getting the same basic rights and freedoms we have. BTW the book you listed is Fiction, as in not true as and as reviewed The New York Times Book Review called Zeitoun "the stuff of great narrative fiction".

                          #15.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:47 PM EST

                          I have worked at our Nations 3rd largest Housing Authority, aka - the projects. I don't care when they gave evacuation orders. One problem that we did not have at the HA was lack of parking. Please, if you don't understand why the people of the 9th Ward didn't jump in a car, you are not thinking. They didn't own a car - other people wouldn't give them rides, etc. Read the now "historical facts." It's easy when you are wealthy to say - "they were warned to move," try that when you are poor and the bus ticket back to your home is NOT a guarantee. Peace be to those who died needlessly.

                          Perhaps it was listed as "fiction" because it was written by an Arab-American - my Kindle lists it as non-fiction. Perhaps the NYT reviewer had an agenda.... just saying.

                          People who consider themselves poor, are usually not, they just want the trinkets that they cannot afford. People who cannot afford to loose a house (so they stay behind to save it or cannot see affording a ticket back, etc) KNOW they are poor. Considering and knowing are two very separate things.

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                          #15.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:53 PM EST

                          lol.. you assume I am wealthy.. While I have finally reached a point where I can have a roof over my head and afford the payments because I work enough different jobs to pay my bills and provide for my family, that does not change the facts. I am assuming that since you stated with apparent pride that you worked the 9th district area that knowing the struggles your clients faced you and your co workers offered to move them out of the danger area? I assumed that you used the goverment issued vans and auto's to move those in the greatest need since you had time to move them, or did you take care of yourself first and leave your clients to fend for themselves?

                          You are lucky if you have reached the point where losing you home is an option but for rest of us you are correct losing the home is not really an option we can afford. That being said, maybe I have been blessed enough for a enough education to understand that my life, my familys life is worth more then "stuff" including a house. NYT reviewer have an agenda, really a liberal paper have an agenda that is shocking.

                            #15.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:38 PM EST
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                            I'm sure this is all due to George Bush and some jews because every problem muslims have ever had is due to George Bush and some jews. Why would this be any different?

                            Otherwise muslims are simply the cause of their own problems.

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                            Reply#16 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:13 AM EST

                            What is happening in Syria is no one's business except Syria. People get the government they deserve. Right now it is Assad. When enough Syrians get tired of Assad he will be overthrown.

                            But whichever side eventually wins, it will be no friend to the US or western values. It will most certainly be an Islamic state; a theocracy or minimally secular, but definitely a fundamentally Islamic one hostile to western culture. Getting involved would be a waste of US resources we simply don't have!

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#17 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:30 AM EST

                            Unless Assad kills everyone who is against him.

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                            #17.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:40 AM EST

                            Western Values??? - that is the price of a human life. If you don't worship capitalism, call all minorities lazy, publicly speak about "family values" while have having umpteen mistresses? The raping of children by Catholic priests? Is that a Western value?

                            What "Western Values?" Greed is the predominant "Western Value," mixed in with the idea that we are superior without cause and the other "values," I mentioned first!

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                            #17.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:01 PM EST

                            wow, so when they'll finally totally enslave you and start to treat you and your children this way, you can look forward to similar attitude from other people. don't fool yourself, you're no better then them - actually, worse

                              #17.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:12 PM EST

                              sticks and stones my friend "goal," sticks and stones don't hurt me.

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                              #17.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:55 PM EST

                              Wow, yes there are those who abuse the freedom that "western values" provide, such as freedom of speech. And yes lots of them do not live the life they preach to others, including state workers whose job it is to provide services to the poor, but only when it is convient to them(i.e. between union working hours and not during impending crisis.) "Greed" is a value not assigned to just the west but almost all cultures how many wives, including the underage ones did muhammed have? Is it not greedy to have multiple wives? Was not the wealth of the persian enslavers "beyond count", how about the enslavers of egypt when they built the pyramids? Who has the "biggest" house of worship? Who in the world does not try to get a house and car that "fit thier station." How many people who work with the poor live a life of poverty. You will find monastics around the word that do, but not state workers or "bible thumpers" from tv.

                              No, rape is not a "value" for western society, that is why it is a Crime, hence illegal. We are not superior, just have a better yet imperfect system of government.

                              We should promote, and defend these freedoms around the world, and yes we still need defend them in the U.S.A. for everyone.

                                #17.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:08 PM EST

                                Unless Assad kills everyone who is against him.

                                But, but muslims dont ever kill muslims!!!

                                Only George Bush and jews kill muslims!!!!

                                sigh

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                                #17.6 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:00 AM EST
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                                Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is a group that has reported false accusations to the media that the Arab League has shown to be false.In many of the reports there was no mention of the rebel outfits operating like lawless gands accross the country with evidence that they are backed by Israeli and Western Intelligence agencies. Americans should not forget ,in 2003 Congress gave the WHite House authority to attack Syria under the Syrian accountability act of 2003 and it remains in force to this day, providing Obama to wage a clandistine campaign to bring down Assad.

                                  Reply#18 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:31 AM EST

                                  Their are military conflicts worth fighting for and then their are those like (Lets say Iraq and Afganistan) that are not worth fighting for. Their are just and unjust wars. The American people should stand up for the wars/conflicts that are just and honorable. We must stand-up for what is moral and ethical. Corrupted politics or the economic interest of the elite should not be a deciding factor. I supported the Libyian conflict because it was the right thing to do. If we can and we do have the ability, then we should be supporting the struggles for freedom, democracy and for humanity to live like human beings with whatever means available to us as a country. I support creating a better world for the future. The corruption of goverments, political decisions made on solely economic self-interest and oppression of people that want to be free must end. We must do whatever we can to help the Syrian people gain their freedom and democracy. Its good for American and its good for the world.

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                                  Reply#19 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:31 AM EST

                                  Libyan rebels are now torturing and killing all the blacks. it's called ethnic cleansing. did you support that too.

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                                  #19.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:43 AM EST
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                                  They seem to be getting the right idea of "give liberty of give me death", trouble is they do not know how to live with out a Dictator rule.

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                                  Reply#21 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:01 PM EST

                                  LOL you are all clueless idiots on here,,,ARAB LEAGUE? lol all the arab league observers are from dictator countrys themselves. who the hell are they to speak about fairness..SAUDI ARABIA and QATAR are the worst dictator governnents on the planet..they should worry about their own political justice,,cause there is none there..im not a dictator lover by any means,,but if assad goes,the christian population in syria which is 15% is going to be slaughtered,,they are allready killing them and burning down the churches,,,how come the media doesnt cover this...the syrian christian population is on assads side..look what happened in EGYPT when mubarak was overthrown,,the christians are being killed every day,,the muslim extremists allways take over in those countrys..

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                                  Reply#22 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:03 PM EST

                                  interesting.

                                    #22.1 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:03 AM EST
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                                    trouble is they do not know how to live with out a Dictator rule.

                                    American's seem to have no trouble electing delegates who are bought and paid for by the rich for the rich - corporate or otherwise - does that make us better?

                                    It's taking the US too long to realize that it's days of being a superpower are over - that our leaders lie, etc. I suppose some will wake up when bread costs $10,000.

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                                    Reply#23 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:05 PM EST

                                    Listen to all the GOP & Teabaggers: party of No:No & Newt: that wants to go to the moon along with all you dumb idiots that want to go with him.. & Mitt: sending his money off shore, so he doesn't have to pay Taxes. Its all about the Wealthy getting richer and the middle class getting poorer.....They don't want to help out the poor, I do mean the poor not the lazy good for nothings...Who are the one's that leach off the taxpayer.They: are the Wealthy that get welfare both for themselves or for the Corps. So really All party are at fault...But it seems that the Wealthy get away with it like the Corzine.(.Democrat )...They steal billions and the few poor steals a few thousands. So what does the GOP want to do is Screw the MIddle Class to get even with the few. As I say its the me me me and F everyone else.... The failures of the Republicans party trying to take away SS and Medicare so they can give their wealthy Blackmailers more money...To hell with the Poor and Needy. Let them freeze in the winter and stave the Old and Babies,let them die from bad water, do away with the EPA and thats what you'll have, just like all you Teabaggers want...You make me sick with your Me Me Me altitude. It just a matter of time before the masses raise up against you . Greedy and you all call yourself Christains. What a laugh: Your no better than all the Muslims you all hate. Wake up America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP

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                                    Reply#24 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:13 PM EST

                                    Let China and Russia sort out this mess.

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                                    Reply#25 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:20 PM EST

                                    Talk is cheap-lives are not. The Arab league, Turkey, Europe, nd the U.S. must immediately supplies weapons, ammo, supplies, funds, and intelligence to the SFA and civilian patriots resisting the Syrian Regime. Anything less will achieve nothing and be a cause of shame for those countries with the power to side wit hthe people....

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                                    Reply#26 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:23 PM EST
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