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Subscribe to RSSPakistan’s security services are directly assisting the Taliban in Afghanistan and know where senior militant leaders are hiding, the BBC reported on Tuesday.
The British news service cited a leaked secret NATO report compiled from thousands of interrogations.
According to the report, the Taliban remain defiant in the midst of allied bombardment and also still maintain wide support among Afghans.
Taliban talks: Another Karzai tiff with the US?
The BBC story comes after a series of reports that the United States, NATO and the Afghan government plan talks with the Taliban in an effort to end the 10-year war in Afghanistan. It also comes amid tensions between the United States and Pakistan.
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More than ten years after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.
Defense Secretary Panetta told CBS’ "60 Minutes" on Sunday that he remains convinced that someone in the Pakistani government must have had an idea that a person of interest was in the compound where Osama bin Laden was killed. In the interview, Panetta acknowledged a Pakistani doctor, Shakil Afridi, provided information to the United States that helped identify the al-Qaida leader. After the raid, Pakistan arrested Afridi and has accused him of treason.
And last November, Pakistan shut down NATO supply routes into Afghanistan after a NATO raid killed 28 Pakistani troops at a remote outpost. The Pakistani government also ordered a U.S. drone base closed.
According to the BBC's correspondent in Kabul, Quentin Sommerville, the leaked report for the first time exposes ties between the Pakistani intelligence service, known as ISI, and the Taliban.
Though alleged in the past, Pakistan has denied any direct links with the Taliban.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen alluded to ISI ties to militants fighting in Afghanistan during testimony in September 2011, according to NBC.
Pakistan has closed crucial roads used to ferry supplies to U.S and NATO troops in Afghanistan-- leaving Pakistani drivers stranded and driving up the U.S. price tag for the war. NBC's Amna Nawaz reports from Peshawar.
He called the Haqqani Network, a close ally of the Taliban, the "veritable arm” of the ISI, and said that the ISI is using other “proxies” to attack in Afghanistan.
NATO spokesman Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings told the BBC that the report was a “classified internal document not meant to be released to the public.”
According to the BBC, the report, based on 27,000 interrogations with captured Taliban, al-Qaida and other fighters, states: "As this document is derived directly from insurgents it should be considered informational and not necessarily analytical."
The Afghan government says President Hamid Karzai will hold talks with the Taliban in the hopes of starting a peace process. NBC's Atia Abawi reports from Kabul, Afghanistan.
Msnbc.com staff and NBC News' Courtney Kube contributed to this report.
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Duh; What was our first clue?
Not kidding really, like we never knew this. Great news reporting.
Can anyone on newsvine give a reasonable and convincing argument as to why after more than ten years after defeating the filthy hillbilly Taliban in 3 weeks why Americans are still fighting and dying in a war so far away from our shores against an enemy armed with ak-47 rifles and rpgs that literally wipes their behinds with their hand{left}? We are surrounded by Islamic enemies in pakistan and Afghanistan posing as our friends while murdering our young warriors when they turn their back. President Obama time to follow the French lead and accelerate our withdrawal from this entire area as these cave dwelling muslims are not a threat to the mainland of the USA,the only way they can kill americans is when we go to their primitive country and fight in the dirt and mud with them,let's wise up and stop the muslims at the borders airports and immigration offices!
LIfe- why not ask Obama what the mission is in Afghanistan? How about the media ask him? We rarely hear a thing about this war. If McCain was president the media would be drilling him about the lack of progress. People would be taking to the streets in liberal cities across the US, but now are silent. Hypocrites.
Bush was right to leave Afghanistan after pretty knocking off the immediate enemy. The Taliban may have been a co-conspirator but they were not the initial target. So the Taliban jumped back into power once the US moved on to Iraq. So? Apparently the Taliban was in fact a target since Obama choose to accelerate the war effort there. But why? If the Afghan people want to be suppressed by the Taliban that is their choice. Why are we nation building there?
Why is Obama being given a pass? He doesn't like to talk about Afghanistan and nobody asks him about it either.
Don't try to spread that filth, you ASSUME that the media would be hunting for Mccain, but honestly if he had become president I don't think anyone would care about the war, PALIN would be VP!! HAHAHA I think we would all be so wrapped up in wondering how that mess happened that the rest of the world would just leave us alone; out of pity... that woman... WOW!
theboys - We've been in Afghanistan for a decade. How much of that time has Obama been in office? I know it's easier to spin things as a "liberal bias", but try to use your brain once in a while....
Life&Liberty,
I completely agree. Most people dont remember that we supported these Muslims when The Soviet Union was trying to eradicate them. All in the name of the Soviets not having a warm water port. HInd sight and all that.
We really should pull all of our troops out immediately. The Muslims will go back to killing each other, and as long as we are vigilant, we can keep them off of our shores. Everyone knows that Clinton could've killed Osama, and likely prevent 9/11. Maybe political correctness was the reason, but I liked how America used to be. Like when we bombed Libya. We dont need to have American boots on the ground when cruise missiles, and drones do a bloody good job.
If I had the job I would remove all troops and send a message to every person on this planet. If you mess with the U.S. you get bombed back to the dark ages.
And then we will send aid : )
Why don't the so called 'conservatives' and 'liberals' read sh!T before posting stupid questions?
I am not against those who want to pull out of Afghanistan at this point, but as to why we are still there, your government answered that question a long time ago and you may disagree with it, but shut up about not knowing it. And just to remind you, it is the military and defense secretary Gates that are recommending we don't just up and leave right away. Like they did in Iraq. We left earlier than was recommended in Iraq because of the Iraqi government and the current President wanting us out of their earlier. Can you argue that Obama should have even made it faster? Sure. But again, don't ask dumb questions whose answers are already out there. Try reading and then making an intelligent arguement.
The sad thing is that America's safety was much more protected when the majority of Muslims were ruled by dictators. How many Muslims have the U.S. army, and civilian contractors, killed compared to the Hussein brothers? What happens when Muslims arent controlled by an iron fist? They kill each other.
Not trying to be inhumane but what these barbarians are doing in Northern Africa, and now South America, is frightening.
We even have Muslims doing honor killings in the good ole USA. Islam has never evolved and that is a problem.
Derek-381097 so sorry but when I read your post all I see is a rude rant telling people to shut up. Is there any reason for anyone to think that you are not just a hateful troll?
Derek,
We are in Afghanistan whole hog because one of Obama's campaign promises was to take the war back to where Osama was based. Whose to say that Osama wasnt killed because we focused on the right area. You cant fault Obama for that.
But.
I agree that you should look at the vine code of ethics and have an intelligent conversation without name calling. From your punctuation etc. you might of had some beers at the golf course today.
Life&Liberty,
You are accusing Derek about being rude, but your earlier discriminatory and profiling comment was even worse than being rude.
American today::: you do realize that Afghanistan is landlocked and has no access to a warm water port correct or are you a product of the US education system and Geography was not in your curriculum??
TheMirror So you are angry I may have been rude to the Taliban? Should I apologize to the Taliban? Come on now really?
Can you imagine that ? Who would have ever suspected such a thing from our loyal Pakistani friends ?
Well known that Pakistan is backstabbing its allies, NATO forces since 2001.
Many warped thinkers in US, British and some more key allies' top circles and think tanks did not want to know about it! They closed their eyes and shut their ears!
The only thing I want to know is when we get to start dropping explosives on them. :D
Thank you BBC for telling the American people what we already knew. Pakistan and the Taliban in bed together. How come Obama didn't tell us first.
What a revelation.
He is probably in bed with em too.
I am not a fan of Ron Paul at all. But I have to ask myself many question. Why do we care what happens to the people in the Middle East? They seem to like killing each other. Why not let them do it? Why do we send ur kids over ther to be their parents? Why do we need to pay Pakistan Why do we know Pakistan bend us over and not have the common courtisy of giving us (use your imagination). What the hell is going on? As Far as I am concerned Pakistan can kiss my ass. They play that they are our ally. If yer stupid I guess you believe that. So stop beleiving if we give that if we give them Brittney Spears thet are gonna love us.
Stop the money. See who takes the money. If thay are pissed , who cares. if they want the money fine. make it count. Get the information from them an send a nice big bomb to the but t nugget in the hut planning a attack on us. This is not a Liberal or Conservitive issue. This is a survival issue.
Am I scared?
No.
Do I care?
Yes.
Does my opinion mean anything?
I'm not sure.
American POLITICAL RESTRAINTS. It's as simple as that. We as a nation have been the proverbial 'Broken Record' since post WW2 incursions and wars. Our Congressional leaders and some Presidents fail to act on the big picture. We know full well who is pushing the buttons in Afghanistan and it ain't those wild eyed, crap-fingered anthropoids dragging their Kalashnikovs across the landscape there.
Our military might has not been turned lose to completely fulfill their promises (missions) of protecting this country because YOUR government has continually hamstrung them from completing their missions. We have been fighting our enemies in a God damn BOX for almost 67 years! That didn't happen during WW2 when we "kicked ass and took names" across the entire planet with bullets and dumb bombs in four and a half years. Pakistan along with Iran, Syria and North Korea (to name a few) should have been reduced to rubble when we had the chance to retaliate. We conveniently isolate our adversaries within the political boundaries of their country's borders while we IGNORE THE OBVIOUS and disregard other 'Actors' in the region who give aide to the enemy and kill our troops. PAKISTAN.
As I have said before on these blogs, we need a policy change which would first gather the irrefutable evidence of collaboration: Make our case; Point our fingers: then RETALIATE. If we lay waste to these "enablers" next door to Afghanistan, a HUGE MESSAGE will be conveyed to the rest of these filth. "You screw with the United States and we WILL retaliate. It's going to happen sooner than later so it might as well start now. And as far as our "Friends" China and Russia goes? Tell them to 'kiss it' and that we're doing just what "you" would do, PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY AND OUR INTERESTS.
WOW who would have thought that!? Pakistan has supported the Taliban since they took power. The ISI even airlifted 1,200 Taliban fighters to Pakistan when we first invaded Afghanistan. The Pakis have never been our ally and they never will. You know what else is kind of funny, in the 2010 video game Medal of Honor during the Operation Andaconda mission you are pretty close to the Pakistan border and one of your fellow soldiers says "That way is Pakistan we will be going there shortly" I just find it funny. Anyway F the Pakis and support India they should be one of our closet allies in that region.
Gee, and George Bush said that Pakistan was our staunch ally. George Bust wouldn't lie, would he???
Hmmmm, this might explain Bin Laden ?
I realize I a a DA just like the rest of us 99%er's however why dont we simply pull out of the one stan and stop paying blood money to the other and simply offer to help India if they wish to take out the paki nukes.
It would save us countless lives and financial resources we do not have and to be blunt the only way to fight terrorism is with nukes on the ground not boots on the ground and to hell with what the rest of the world says - (they will be breathing a sigh of relief because they do not have the balls to take the first step).
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actually no one is smiling at fox, we are crying because somehow a bigoted, right winged, hate spewing, "NEWS" company can lie so much to so many without being thrown in jail
although Fox news is stretching it... more like "Just for dim-witted hillbilly programing"
Ok got to ask - Ask Questions: is English a second language? your tirades make little if any sense - might want to slow down put a couple of cognizant thoughts together before typing.
Actually I understood AskQuestions better than the tirade from Ternan. Get some help with reading comprehension, Ternan.
Finally, a dedicated, hard-working journalist has exposed the deep dark secret that Pakistani intelligence is in bed with the Taliban. I thought the world would never know.
The US and allies have outsourced their foreign policies and actions to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
How Pakistan and Saudi Arabia could be treated as an ally on "war on terror"?
The prime culprit in the backstabbing (Osama, NATO killings via Paki version of killers, Taliban) and criminal Gen Mush goes around Britain, US and other nations as an honored guest!
yep. thank bush for leaping into bed with musharif
Damages of leaping into bed with criminal Gen Mush could be still contained.
But leaping into beds and sleeping with the biggest backstabbers and real su****rs like the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and many more have only brought disasters all around the US, Brtain and many European nations.
Bankruptcy of many nations is one of many direct visible result!
Giovanni and me agree! Why are we still there? Why do we need 11,000 employees at the Iraq embassy along with 6,000 private guards? Obama, are you listening???????????????????????????????? What does all this cost? Are you still blaming Bush for this???????????????????????????????????????
Can we please just get out of there, or secure Pakistans Nukes and see how tough they are after.
That's no secret. Most people have known that since before the Pakis decided to hide Osama Bin Laden in plain sight. Now, we should give the Pakis an ultimatum and start hitting their ISI bases to stop them from helping the Taliban. It's gonna happen sooner or later anyway.
Only idiots think that the US wants to get rid of Pakistan's nukes ... who then would balance out the Indians and the chinese. The Yahoos are fun to watch, they think in simplistic terms only, like the games played when they were once toddlers. The goverrnment propagnada puts out stories like this to keep them foaming at the mouth over a non-entity, and the little boys never wake up to what the elites are doing to them.
Judson: China balances out India - both have relatively stable governments compared to the norm in that part of the world. We, in the United States, face a greater threat from a nuclear armed Pakistan than any other Country in the world to include India. Pakistan is controlled by a radical Muslim element that has the backing of their rogue army. Think about it
@Ternan - "Pakistan is controlled by a radical Muslim element"....what are u smoking dude?? Do you even a know a thing abt Pakistan? Pakistan is being governed by a relatively secular party which are relatively liberal Muslims...Never in the history of Pakistan has any religious political party won. Even now, the main opposition which is getting a lot of support leading up to the elections is made up of liberals who are against Islamic extremism. Pls read a thing or two first before spewing out garbage.
I have been saying this for a long time now. Now we have more proof. Those Pakis are nothing but a bunch of snakes that can't be trusted. They are against us, just like Karzai is too. They attack our troops and our people at the Embassy, they hid Bin Laden, they stopped our cargo trucks, and now we have proof of the snakes that they are. No more money for these idiots and no more aid. Sgt Joe
You have no business being in our region in the first place. South/Central Asia is our region you don't belong here you belong in North America. Besides, Taliban are not the ones who attacked you on 9/11. You blamed Osama Bin Laden, he's dead now what do you want? Just leave us alone and take your dirty money with you. Pakistan has to live in the region for all of eternity and we share a long border with Afghanistan we will protect our interests in Afghanistan no matter what.
By the way, Taliban can't be that bad can they when Reagan praised them as heros and called them freedom fighters when they defeated the Soviets. What comes around, goes around.
It took 10 years for NATO to find that out...I wonder how long it will take for them to figure out a solution.
And they expect us to trust their intelligence on Iran. Fool me once...but again and again.
You simply cannot trust these Middle Easterners ... stop pretending otherwise. They aren't civilized.
I totally agree. As a group, they are untrustworthy.
I beg to differ. I spent time down range, in combat zones. Due to the harhness of the region, they had to grow up with dependance on their tribes. To us, what we call civilized, to them could be considered supporting the weakest link, in an area the the strongest survive. And as far as civilized, urinating on a body? Making naked men lay atop of eachother? and only God (our version) knows what has truly happened over there, as no one is going to tell the true. I have seen things that would turn your stomach and turn away in disbelief. The people are rugged survivors in a very harsh land. I can tell you have never been give the hospitality of a "middle easterner", as your cup will over-flow with their generosity. Of course they are not trustworthy, you are not a member of their tribe; a group the have based the basics of exsistance apon. But, if you earn their trust, then you will have a fierist, closest friend, but you will not come between their order of life; Allah (their religion), family, and tribe. I have a good understanding of some of the people there. And we have not done much over there to dispell the worlds view of America. We are a brash, ruthless, lying, kniving, under-handed, loud, arrogant, bulling nation in the world's eyes and there has been little done to prove anything different. And as far as trust-worthy goes, as a nation, we have flip-flopped our support as it has suited our nation and it's agendas; even if it was terrible policies or actions. We support terrible rulers and dictators. Why? Because they maybe friendly to America and support us up front, but stab us in the back when they can. Many countries do not have the liberties we enjoy, as the power was not given "by the people". The strongest, most ruthless and hardest, rose to take the power and leadership. Even when the leaders of this country knew it to be wrong, they still supported people like this. And we wonder why, as a nation and as a people, we are hated so badly. I put 27 years of my life in the defence of this nation and would still be there, if I wasnt too old. And yes, with what I wrote, I would still defend my country; even with her many faults. Why? Because I have a faith in the democratic way of life. I believe that others can benifit from self rule and the choice of whom they care to choose as a leader. And the choice of removing that leader, when they no longer support a nation and a peoples choices. And, civilized, isnt having the luxuries of life and running water in a bathroom. It's how a country treats its people and supports those people. Some of the more wealthy countries pay for their peoples medical health care; I have yet to see that for me in this great civilized nation. Again, do I want to live anywhere else, no as I have faith in our way of life. And before I get attacked as being a Democratic, Obama supporter, I am not. I do not supprt that political agenda. I am a Republican. Why the Democratic views? Because I have faith in America and what this nation can become, only if we truly become the nation we pertend we are. God bless America and guide us down the correct path.
Sadly, DuaneH-1 everything you said is true. After we got Osama, we should've declared victory and bugged out.
WHAT RON PAUL HAS NAILED
Fear mongering keeps leading Americans into stupid and unwinnable conflicts. When the facts become known, more fear mongering tries to keep us in the conflict. Dumb politics paid for by those who stand to gain at the expense of other’s lives and fortune. It is immoral to the core. ZEEK
Yes, Fear mongering.. had by ALL, including Ron Paul, he spits venom in all directions, and wants to dismantle this great country of ours and give it to big corporations... you vote him in and wait until the government is so small, it can not stop big business, and crumbles under their powers...
Then where will your precious constitution be? in the fireplace! Think not? you get rid of 60% of all government agencies, and delegate them to the private sector... that's just it... you give that power to them..
Go "Run tell Paul" to go back to the nut house... and you can go with him!
great another uninformed person who knows nothing about Paul policies. People who speak like that are media believers. What were doing in the middle east is just promoting us as the enemy. You can't fix countries that don't want to be fixed. Until we learn as a country to stay out of other countries business. You will see a lot more peace in this world. These wars are fought by corporations and its about the money they make. They don't care about the consequences or the blow back it causes.
Great, another person who hasn't studied up on Ron Paul, yes, that's you soarer. Ron Paul wants to do away with anti-trust laws, eliminate sexual harrassment laws, and basically give the US to the John Birchers. He's a crazy old man, that named his kid after Ayn Rand. You know, Ayn Rand who was on welfare, medicare, social security. What a hypocrit, Ayn.
Get Lost Ron Paul.
So under our guidelines of harboring terrorists and the enemy, and conspiring to kill our soldiers, WHAT do we do next Obama, Panetta, generals?????? That's right. We fold. We walk away. Bush and friends should be included, they chose how to fight this war. Good luck American interests in controlling Eurasia....you stink at this. These animals only understand might. They disrespect to weakness.
What a weak joke we've become. We put the wrong people in authoritative positions, and then create enemies out of potential allies. The world is finding out that America has a soft underbelly. We cannot control the Paki border, wihtout annihilating all of Pakistan and creating the headache of instability of a country with suddenly no infrastructure. We cannot control our "interests" in the Strait of Hormuz, without all out war with Iran, a partnership we ruined not once but three times in modern history. Their navy beats ours, and they only have little gunboats. How? We clearly have no definition of how to win, without total all out counterattack of any nation.
We lose our position in the world to China, only because our corporations enable China. They work hand in hand with our perverted financial sector. America has failed at it's highest levels. Military engagement, finance and business....all because of the insincerity driven by the very immorality whence we put Reagan in office. This is what we've become a mere 30 years later.
We run with two-dimensional ideas, and ignore the consequences. Have so since Reagan became CiC
You can blame yourself for losing ground to China. The corporations moved manufacturing to China because Americans were willing to accept inferior junk and sell out their neighbor in order to pay a few dollars less for an item. The people left the corporations with no option but to move overseas, because they wouldn't pay for American made products. Government policy and misguided treaties didn't help either.
actually your logic is flawed... you seem to assume the consumer is at fault, that is not so. The consumer does not have to buy anything if they do/do not want to.. it is the corporations selling their souls to china to MAKE a quick buck off of these poor people... nothing more.
but keep thinking that it is OUR fault, because obviously you have NEVER bought ANYTHING from CHINA... EVER... so you can not be the problem. good luck with that...
Life&liberty- You stated that "the ONLY way they can kill Americans is if we go to their primitive country." This a horribly inaccurate and skewed statement. The Taliban are terrorists who are hell bent on destroying anybody that they deem as infidels, especially Americans. 99.9% of Muslim extremists hold the same beliefs and convictions. These beliefs and convictions led to the what we call 9/11. Remember that? Remember that it happened here? In America?
candice-2949054 I hate the Taliban and their ideology,but they did not fly those airliners into the WTC as you know it was saudis allowed into the country BY OUR IMMIGRATION DEPT!
all i can say is..DUH....
beat you to it, ha; it was a "gimme".
Obviously we need to give pakistan more money
indeed, they've earned it.
How about this idea...cut all funding to Pakistan. When they ask why we cut their funding, we'll then simply deny that we cut the funding.
What a great idea. Please do cut funding. That funding is gobbled by corrupt politicians anyway.
Paki's are just Indians on the western side of a line on the map.
I beg to differ. I have known many East Indians; most are pretty funny once you know them. They are also becoming a good ally of the United States. They really have a very human side to them.
Pakis are ......well, very different. I'll just leave it at that.
Pro Am: You zero out about the Packies. They are the Islamic nutcases India threw out of the country for starters. They still hold baddad (revenge) deep into their hearts against India. In that line of religion, Islam, how one deals revenge is EVERYTHING! Mumbai times two should ring a bell. Sonar is essentially right. Tons of bad blood between the two. The main reason Al-Qaeda and the Taliban became so strong in A-Stan is because the Packies pulled its guys from the A-Stan border and sent them to the line with India right after Mumbai Two. Packieland also knows that India will indeed pay them back for Mumbai. Understand that on that side of the world there's but two countries that won't turn a face when slapped. India and Israel. Both strike back on their and their terms only. The above comes with mucho time spent there and seeing the REAL picture. Many Quds have established roots there too as evidenced by the increased hardware from Iran being used by the Packies. Don't be surprised if Karzai gives in completely to the Taliban because no other country will take him, not even Hugo Chavez. Because of this Karzai will have to buddy up to the Packies because Tommy Taliban will put him down just like his brother, the former head of the opium trade. Packieland is the most regional and factional governed nation on Earth. Boss today, be-headed tomorrow. Nothing like a real working experience on the subject to put a spine to an opinion. Get some, your words will mean more.
In 1947, when Pakistan and India got independence from the British...Pakistan chose to be America's ally while India chose to be Soviet Union's ally. We did all the dirty work for Americans in the Cold War and this is how America repays us. Ask Reagan's ghost who helped defeat the Soviets. He won't say indians, thats for sure.
As for indians commenting in this page, its us Pakistanis who always wanted to get away from you cow worshipper pagans.
Islamic religious Nazi barbaric beasts, Pakis and Saudis, are the worst liabilities on earth ever seen in the history of mankind!
9/11, Iraqi wars (1991 and 2003), Osama case and half of NATO forces deaths in Afghanistan and more humiliations are due to them.
They are also responsible for most of our problems in the US.
I think sht gonna hit the fan soon, China pissed off, Russia pissed off, Iran acting crazy as usual, Pakistan is a snake in the grass playing both sides, Americans fighting man dying, big corporations are swimming in money and the mass is starving , committing suicides, losing jobs , homes.
I think sooner or later (hopefully sooner) the masses will rebel all over the world, and when all this is over and 2/3 of the population is dead, things will be better.
So who blows first...Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, None of the Above. May I have your vote please......
Some thirty years ago, I took a Military Science course at Northern Michigan University. It was taught by a high ranking Air Force officer. I was told way back then by him that someday, circumstances surrounding Pakistan would be the cause for WW III. Hmmmmm!!!
Basset: I vote first that Assad will lose Syria. Losing Syria he also loses Lebanon. Iran loses their only acting friend on the East Med. Iran is isolated, makes threats to Israel in hopes to gain support from other Islamic nations. Israel gains a wider foothold in Lebanon and strikes first at Iran before other Islamic nations offer support regardless of what the US wants. My second vote is India returns the favor to the Packies for the two strikes in Mumbai.
You've posted this exact same inane comment multiple times before. Repeatedly posting drivel doesn't allow your fantasies to become truer over time.
That will be IRAN. They are crazier than the Pakis.
The USA will most likely go off the handle. Happened before, it will happen again.
Our government is manufacturing a crisis with Iran while diverting our attention away from a bigger threat which is pakistan.
Actually both Iran and Pakistan are threats to our people in that region. Not so much to the US mainland though. We either need to go all out to wipe out one or both or else just go home and let them fight amoung themselves. Just going home is probably the better option at present. When they attack us in the US, wipe them out, no quarter.
............And I'm still wondering why we give so much aid to Pakistan............Doesn't make sense to me???????????
In hopes that someone else placed high in Packieland will drop dimes on folks like Bin Ladin and Zawahiri in exchange for a life here in the states. Bottom line is the ISI will back whomever pays the highest. Right now the folks who run the opium game hold that carrot.
masses are already showing what they can do. egypt-syria- libya. the drones should be flying all over pakistan to take out all of our rivals there. trouble is the afgans dont want us or our help. arm both sides, make some money,and stay the hell out. save some lives.
Karzai knows his days are numbered, with the Packies all at the line with India the Tommies (Taliban) have gotten stronger and deeper into A-Stan. Take the rural areas and you have the metro areas in a stranglehold. A-Stan is gonna go back to the Tommies, Karzai wants to keep his head so he has to buddy up to the Packies. Not even Uncle Hugo wants him in Venezuela! He's got the Chinese already because they pay for their stuff lightning quick, perfect. What represents the Afghan government's days are numbered and Karzai and the Tommies know it. I vote Karzai goes to Packieland until they give him up to Tommy in exchange for a deeper handful of the opium game Tommy has full control of today.
We got whom we came for Osamma. Now time to get out and secure our own borders and stop giving money and help to countries we know are terrorist places !! Now if anyone or country messes with us again then we go after them !! This preemptive strikes does not help us one bit !
Steve: The job is half done. Bin Laden only represented the face of Al Qaeda. Zawahiri is the spine of the outfit. Until Ayman's head is separated from his body the job is nowhere near complete. More than likely the Packies are protecting him and countless others of his flavor. After all, Zawahiri has an endless line of people wanting to give their lives for the cause than the Packies could ever dream of having. With a force like that the Packies would be stupid in not giving the head of such an army refuge. Remember, you're only as safe as your neighbor is and your guests!
Yeah, Z is the spine. Until Z is eliminated and they get another spine. Then they are eliminated and another spine appears. Ad infinitum.
Wow, I am shocked! NOT
How much longer are we going to give Pakistan one thin dime? President Obama man up and get Pakistan to take our side or eliminate any aid to the crooks.
Until some one else placed high in Packieland drops dimes on their wanted guests.
You can't trust Muslims.
OK what was the first clue?!!! Pakistan ought to be carpet bombed and surgically destroy their nukes. Pakistan is no better that Iran!! Bet we could get help from Israel as well as India...IMHO Pakis suck anyway, NEVER to be trusted!!!!!
wow sounds you want world war 3. That would never fix the problem.