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Subscribe to RSSLONDON - Four British men pleaded guilty on Wednesday to involvement in an al-Qaida-inspired plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange.
The men were among nine defendants facing trial in London over an alleged plot to attack the exchange and several other high-profile targets, including the American Embassy, in December 2010. All had initially pleaded not guilty to all the charges against them. But on Wednesday four of the defendants pleaded guilty at Woolwich Crown Court to involvement in the Stock Exchange plot, and the five other British citizens to lesser charges.
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Mohammed Chowdhury, 20, one of nine men remanded in custody charged with planning an alleged pre-Christmas terror attack leaves Westminster Magistrates Court in London in a police van Monday Dec. 27, 2010.
The nine men, from several parts of the country, were brought together through radical Islamist groups and nurtured plans to attack the stock exchange and other high-profile targets. Unbeknownst to them, British authorities learned of the plot and put them under surveillance.
Mohammed Chowdhury, 21; Shah Rahman, 28; Gurukanth Desai, 30; and Abdul Miah, 25, all admitted preparing for acts of terrorism by planning to plant an improvised explosive device in the toilets of the London Stock Exchange.
Prosecution lawyer Andrew Edis accepted that the men had not planned to kill anyone.
"Their intention was to cause terror and economic harm and disruption," he said. "But their chosen method meant there was a risk people would be maimed or killed."
Chowdhury, from London, was described by prosecutors as the "lynchpin" of the plot. His lawyer, Christopher Blaxland, said Chowdhury admitted planning to plant the bomb, "with the obvious attendant risk but without any intention to cause death or even injury but with the intention to terrorize, damage property and to cause economic damage."
The other five defendants admitted attending planning meetings, fundraising for terrorism or possessing copies of the al-Qaida magazine, Inspire, which contained a feature headlined "Make A Bomb In The Kitchen Of Your Mom."
Prosecutors said they had not made any bombs or set dates for the attacks.
They said the men were not members of al-Qaida but had been inspired by the terror network and the sermons of its Yemen-based, American-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed last year in a U.S. drone strike.
Edis said the nine defendants "were implementing the published strategy of AQAP" — al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula.
The suspects, then aged between 20 and 30, were arrested in London, Cardiff and Stoke-on-Trent in central England, in what police called the biggest anti-terror raid for two years.
Prosecutors said they plotted to send mail bombs to various targets in the run-up to Christmas 2010 and had discussed launching a "Mumbai-style" atrocity — referring to the bomb blasts that killed 166 people in India's financial center in 2008.
The nine defendants were accused of agreeing on targets, discussing materials and methods, and researching files "containing practical instruction for a terrorist attack."
Andrew Parsons / PA via AP, file
The American Embassy in London's Grosvenor Square. The Embassy plans to move to a new site in future.
The men held planning meetings, researched bomb-making and scouted out locations including Parliament, Westminster Abbey and the London Eye Ferris wheel — not knowing that they were under police surveillance and their homes and cars had been bugged.
A handwritten target list found at one of the defendant's homes listed the names and addresses of London Mayor Boris Johnson, two rabbis, the American Embassy and the Stock Exchange.
The Daily Telegraph reported that torn pieces of paper showing a sketch of what is believed to be a car bomb were also found.
The men, who had Bangladeshi and Pakistani backgrounds, also were overheard discussing how to make a pipe bomb, and talked about traveling abroad for terror training.
The four suspects from Stoke-on-Trent discussed leaving homemade bombs in the toilets of their city's pubs — but noted that as Muslims they would not be able to go into the pubs to plant them.
The defendants will be sentenced next week, but the judge has already told Chowdhury he will receive 13 1/2 years and Rahman 12 years. Each will also receive five years on probation. They are likely to serve half that time before being eligible for parole.
When police swooped on the suspects in three cities in the early morning of Dec. 20, 2010, they said it was the most significant anti-terror raid for two years.
London has been targeted several times by violent Islamists affiliated with or inspired by al-Qaida.
In July 2005, four suicide bombers killed 52 commuters on three London subway trains and a bus. A year later, U.S. and British intelligence officials thwarted one of the largest plots yet — a plan to explode bombs on nearly a dozen trans-Atlantic airliners.
Al-Awlaki, who was killed in September, is thought to have orchestrated an unsuccessful October 2010 plot to send mail bombs on planes from Yemen to the U.S. hidden in the toner cartridges of computer printers.
Msnbc.com's Alastair Jamieson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Radical Islamic terrorists are waging wars on many fronts to obtain world domination and to put an end to all religions other than their perverted version of Islam. They will murder every Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Confuscist, Jew, Atheist, and even non-radical Moslem they can. They will kill every man, woman and child they can get their blood-thirsty hands on in order to frighten the rest of the population into submission. The civilized nations and the decent people of the world must defeat Islamic extremism if we want to preserve civilization.
Well, now Europe's a lost cause, being that now they're not just infested with but completely overrun with these vermin; and given our wonderfully secure border and sensible immigration policies (*sarc*) we as a country are also circling the drain and going the same way.
I disagree on the title or heading choosen for this topic. Why do we choose to refer to a terrorist as an Islamist? Islam is a religion that respects all religions and invites people for peace, equality, and knowledge. It doesnt encourage violence, racism, or terrorism. Yet, some people are very ignorant about the truth behind Islam. Prophet Mohammed is a figure in Islam, he is not ,by all means, the creature of a religion. Islam is not based on any christianity or judaism, but the Quran ,the holy book of islam, justifies both religions and encourages Muslims to be keen and helpful to christians and Jews. Muslims all over the world help and support non-muslims. Islam was the first religion to forbid slavery and violence and encourage equality and peace. So why do we choose to associate muslims and islam with terror? Why do we choose to convict a nation of being violent and terrorists? Is it ignorance or is it discrimination?
Despite all the regular craps as excuses, spins, lies and blames given by "moderates" for Islamic radicals and terrorists, I fully agree with you.
Actions of Muslims all over the world confirm what you mentioned.
If we have to fight back for survival, all Muslims from all non-Muslims nations should be kicked back to their nations.
Internal enemy is the most dangerous.
If Islam is so good, why is that all Muslim nations are becoming killing fields and these Muslims are swamping our shores with their different fake Ramadan style soap operas?
We should not tolerate a single Muslim liability and curse in our nations!
MOSHM
It is neither ignorance or discrimination but the result of facts. Each time there is an attack or a thwarted attack the perpetrators are Muslim. What would you expect people to think? Perhaps it is time for Muslims to control Muslims so people could see there really is a difference. Even as he is being hauled away in a police van it appears this guy is giving some kind of signal.
Wake up world! The enemy not just a few radicals, it is the entire culture of islam! Stamp out this hate filled cruel culture, eliminate the mosques and the imans who daily preach hate and violence while the " peace loving muslims " stand quietly and do nothing. Lest anyone think this is denying freedom of religion please note that the multiple marriages in the fundamental Mormon religion were outlawed. Islam declared war on America on 9-11 and we and our allies in the rest of the world must unite to stamp out this hideous, hate filled religious cult.
MOSHM
When we see people that identify themselves as Islamists planning or committing terrorist acts, it is hard not to associate Islamist with terrorist. When non-terrorist Muslims do not speak out, do not make any attempt to cut this cancer out of their society, their silence is taken as acceptance of the terrorist stance. Why is there no Muslim 'Martin Luther King' decrying the violence, striving to heal this from within? If Muslims will not, can not, or are not willing to clean this up then non-Muslims will ... they have no choice when under constant attack.
Make no mistake; if push comes to shove, Islam can not win a war of aggression against the rest of the planet. If Islam does not clean up its act, the middle east will glow in the dark for a thousand years while no Muslim will be welcome anywhere outside of their nuclear waste land. It is up to Muslims to stop this war that can not be won.
@MOSHM: I would sure like to believe that Islam is nothing but peaceful and tolerant, but it's pretty obvious that there is a very large segment of Muslims that are not. Most major terror attacks of the last 15 years have been perpetrated by radical Islamists - do you deny this?
And apparently that has been forgotten. Apparently you do not regard the harsh treatment of women in many Muslim countries as "slavery". Sharia law requires this. As for violence, are there any places in the world as violent as those where Shiites and Sunnis are killing each other by the dozens every week? Muslims can't even get along with each other, so why should the West believe that Muslims are to be "helpful to Christians and Jews"? Helpful in finding the afterlife, maybe.
Global Islam needs to do far, far more to control their radical elements, or the entire religion will be marginalized.
>I disagree on the title or heading choosen for this topic. Why do we choose to refer to a terrorist as an Islamist? Islam is a religion that respects all religions and invites people for peace, equality, and knowledge. It doesnt encourage violence, racism, or terrorism. Yet, some people are very ignorant about the truth behind Islam. Prophet Mohammed is a figure in Islam, he is not ,by all means, the creature of a religion. Islam is not based on any christianity or judaism, but the Quran ,the holy book of islam, justifies both religions and encourages Muslims to be keen and helpful to christians and Jews. Muslims all over the world help and support non-muslims. Islam was the first religion to forbid slavery and violence and encourage equality and peace. So why do we choose to associate muslims and islam with terror? Why do we choose to convict a nation of being violent and terrorists? Is it ignorance or is it discrimination?<
Yeah, right. That's why I'm literally putting my life on the line if I wear a kipah or star of David in almost any Moslem country and certainly in many neighborhoods -- even in areas like Dearborn or Paris.
Not that I support any act of terrorism but we as American are as bad as them so just shut ur Hol
Just recently an Iranian scientist was bombed in his car with his Bodyguard! what you call that? act of angel or act of evil! when Hamas or Hezbollah does it! it s called terrorism and when US or Israel does it the media always chooses their word carefully not to call US Terrorist neither Israel! what the F... is them?
US was supporting the Taliban before and next day they called them Terrorist and went against them! But what US keeps forgetting! THEY ARE THE MASTER OF TERRORISM BUT WHO DARE CAN OPEN THEIR MOUTH.
Max
No terrorist orginizations work for the U.S. or Israeli government. Most likely it was the CIA or Israel's Mossad agency that killed this scientist. Which is probably considered an assassination, not an act of terrorism.
Also, notice that we got our target AND got our point across without killing hundreds of innocent people in the process?
I'm not going to even bother with the whole "U.S. supporting the Taliban" comment because it's too complicated for you. I suggest reading a history book or watching a documentary on the matter. One that doesn't pick a side, preferably. It's easy to choose sides when you only hear one side of the story.
Well, what proves wrong anyone who accuses all muslims of being terrorists are the muslims who actually work with the west in finding and killing terrorists.
So, sorry for having to cause those people to think. But you know what? Its good for you.
Now, yes, the first poster said it best. Extremist terrorists need to come to an end, one way or another. It is the tolerance of terrorists from countries like Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and so on, that allow this breed of filth to live. There will always be someone with a bomb who wants to blow something up. But its the state sponsored terrorism which allows the vast quantities of them out into the world.
Moshm, Until you begin to realize why the only reason you believe what you believe is because someone basically brainwashed you as a child you will have difficulty coming to an understanding of reality. What sort of scientific evidence is there for believing in Islam? None. That's right there is no scientific evidence whatsover. Now there may be some out there who claim to religion have come to it latter in life -and by what reason was that? Did you look on religion as a cafeteria and pick and choose the parts you like? Sorry. Religions don't work like that- you have to take the really crazy stuff also. Or perhaps some of you believe because God has spoken to you directly. They are the scariest ones. By the way I have scientific evidence to prove what I believe-how about you?
From the comments above, it sound like this country is finally waking up to the threat that is Islam. Perhaps there is hope for us yet. As far as Islam being a peaceful and tolerant religion, that is absolute nonsense. Islam was spread by enslavement and the sword during its founding, and it continues to this day as evidenced by the hatred and violence continually displayed. I have personally read the Quran (every Muslim which I tell that to gets upset because they obviously do not want us "infidels" [such a nice tolerant word] to know the truth of what it teaches) and know firsthand that their holy book teaches them that it is a duty to enslave those who refuse to convert and to kill those whom they cannot enslave. There is no such thing as a tolerant and peaceful Moslem... only a deceptive one who wants you to believe that they are until they can succeed in enslaving or killing you. Vermin is right.
I have a question for some or one of you whose comments I am reading on this subject. My question is:
WHY ARE THESE TERRORISTS KILLING ANYONE EXCEPT THOSE OF THE ISLAM RELIGEON? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO?
I'd appreciate some kind of explanation, if that is possible. It seems like they are doing because they are brainwashed to believe christians and jews are their enemy.
MOSHM I want to agree with you. I want to believe that there is a difference between Islam and Terrorism, but it is the Islamist themselves which have blurred the lines. Any action by the West triggers protests, in the thousands in the streets of Muslim Countries. They call for the death of America. They call us names and swear eternal vengeance. Why are there no such demonstrations when it is al Qaida doing the bombing? Where is the Muslim cry for the end of these TERRORISTS? I am not saying that the Muslim Community is all evil, but maybe they should consider the old adage that one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel. If Muslims want to be considered different, then maybe it is up to them to show the rest of the world the difference. We cannot learn unless you teach, and the best Teacher is example.
Mike : you said no terrorist organization is working for US!!
why dont bow s h i t your kid with that Crap...
you also said killing the scientist is not an act of terror but you call it assasination!
Do you see the difference when it comes to US and Israel, we always have to use the proper words to make them always sound good people even when they kill other people or commit terror which we like to call it Assasination. if Hamas or Hezbollah did it!!! automatically that s terrorism 100%
I dont have to study history to understand why US supported Taliban, US will always have a good cause / excuse to do what the F... they want to do even when it s not approved by the world. I can see everything with my own eyes, I dont need to study History to make exception! what US is doing outside this country is triggring terrorism but we dont know it because we dont want to know
@Maxeemas, EVERYONE makes what they sound good. 'Freedom Figthers' are 'martyring' themselves. They aren't murdering anyone.
Anyone fighting uses propaganda. Nobody fights for the bad guys. Everyone fights for justice!
I believe in justice but there is 2 kind of justice and the other one is blind justice we like to use from to time
MOSHM
I don't know which Islam you are talking about. It certainly isn't the Koran or Hadith. Slavery and war booty and the taking of concubines in battle are well documented and condoned by Allah, (aka Mohammad). I will not go into the numerous belicose verses that call to make war against the unbelieving infidel, but you are a denialist if you ignore them.
Islamic arrogance speaks for itself. Long before the state of Isreal, long before the discovery of oil, long before America was even known to most Muslims, the terrorism had already begun. In fact, it was the cause of America's first foriegn war, in 1801, more than 200 years ago.
The Muslims along the Barbary coast were attacking American trade ships and seizing their crews as slaves or as ransom. In March 1785, John Adams, the American diplomat to London and Thomas Jefferson asked why. America had never done harm to the Ottoman Turks.
The response by Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja) is telling. The ambassador expalained the action of the attackers in his reply:
This was not some second rate scolar, it was the official researched and selected words of the Ambassadore of the Calliph of the Ottoman empire. He had all the Islamic scholars available to advise him in this response.
The battle of Tripoli was the first American conflict with the Islamicists, and its first victory. (Go Marines!)
If you want a narrative on the brutal treatment of infidel Americans as slaves for their Muslim masters, read up on how James Leander Cathcart, an enslaved American, lost his toenails.
Thomas Jefferson bought a translation of the Koran to read in his library and understand this obtuse religious justification. 200 years later, Kieth Ellison, America's first Muslim congressman, used the same Koran purchased by Jefferson to swear an oath of alliegance to...infidel America???? (facepalm!)
Indeed, Islam fobids enslaving other muslims. Muslim slave ownership is still alive and well; many (if not most) middle-class and upper-class homes in the middle east have at least one African (or Bangladeshi, or whatever) girl locked in the kitchen, her passport locked in a desk drawer upstairs.
In the early years, Islam's main selling point to other Arabs was that it represented a sort of peaceful alliance -- become a muslim, and you will never be attacked by another muslim. It was a form of NATO, which as we all know is not about peace, but about ganging up on non-members. But the Koran specifically allows -- encourages, even -- the raiding of non-muslim clans and caravans, to take their wealth and enslave their members.
Muslims like to talk about peace and love and stuff, but keep in mind that they have a different definition of this word than non-muslims.
It breaks down like this: according to the Koran, muslims can't kill other muslims; to kill a Jew, you need a reason; to kill a Christian, you need a good reason; to kill a "non-believer" (ie., an athiest, like me, or a pagan, or an "animist"), you don't need a reason at all.
This isn't to say that muslims are without legitimate grievances against the west, although they're not very good at articulating them. Al Qaeda didn't declare war on 9/11; they declared it in '98, in a fatwah that spells out America's offenses. America has military bases all over the middle-east, with the specific purpose of securing the flow of oil, and regularly meddles in other countries' affairs. This isn't right, and if it stopped tomorrow (along with support for zionism -- ie., using the Bible as a land deed), the jihadist movement would shrivel for lack of mainstream support.
Mohammed Chowdhury, 21, Shah Rahman, 28, Gurukanth Desai, 30, and Abdul Miah, 25, Coming soon to an american city if we do not limit Muslim immigrants to the USA,SHUTDOWN our borders and continue closely monitoring muslims already in the USA at their Mosques and meeting places. We have already seen too many acts of domestic terrorism by american born muslims such as the Fort Hood mass murders and thankfully many have been foiled by our fine intelligence and security people.
You forgot the OK City bombing. Oh wait, that was a white, homegrown person, wasn't it? I do agree with strict border controls, and yes, we have seen too many american born terrorists that aren't Muslim. NO, I am not defending the Muslim's, even though it sounds like it.
It doesn't matter what religion, if any, these stupid people claim. And yes, our intelligence agency's have done a good job. And those people were trained by the guy that got killed by a drone. Do you remember the outcry about Obama taking him out? Who was correct, Obama, or the ones that were bitching the loudest about him getting his ass blown up?
SallyAnn-4595694 why the rant about Obama he hasn't blown anyone up ALL THE CREDIT goes to the US military and intelligence agencies, If Obama is to be a hero it should be to speed up our withdrawal.What does the Ok city bombing have to do with this story? I suppose next you will be telling me how Hitler was a christian?
L belive hitler was actualy catholic
''hitler was actualy catholic'' irrelevent and who cares?
Defender,
Obama had to approve the mission and allow the SEALS to attack the compound, without informing the Pakistani Government. The decision was made at the top, don't pretend that all of the decisions that have been made didn't go through the Commander and Chief's office. I understand you dissaprove of President Obama, but he has made far better military decisions than that Buffoon George W.
The US should have handled Al Qaida and Bin Laden in the manner that Obama approved, than to throw our country (including the 5000 dead soldiers and 35000 injured in both conflicts) into two protracted conflicts. Iraq had NOTHING to do with the "War on Terror", but since we went in there, we owed it to the Iraqis to make sure they weren't worse off than when we went in there.
The Taliban was never the issue in Afghanistan, Al Qaida was, ALWAYS the issue. They harbored Al Qaida, but when George W changed the focus and pushed the fight at the Taliban, he lost focus on our goal, which was to locate and capture, or kill, Bin Laden. Obama approved that, not Bush.
By approving the bombings in Yemen, resulting the death of al Alawki. Unfortunately, we now have to deal with mis-guided, weak minded idiots like those who are the focus of this story. Will there be residual fall-out? Hell yeah, did Obama do the right thing? Hell yeah. I am not a fan, but he has done far better militarily than our former Joke-N-Chief.
We won't even start on the economic comparison. Bush would lose that one DECISIVELY.
Military Man-1740371 as you know american military,police and intelligence spent ten years trying to track down bin laden and ........''Obama had to approve the mission and allow the SEALS to attack the compound,''....... and for this he is a hero? If he had made any other choice I assure you the American people would be calling for his impeachment! Really what other choice was there?.....Hey Obama we have Bin Laden cornered in a home in Pakistan and have a plan to take him out''......Obama: ''Ughh yeah''..... as i said all the credit goes to the US. military.
Hitler was indeed catholic, Caveman. Your knowledge is accurate,
Military Man, what planet are you from? The Haqqani Networks TTP was always to attack the West and he is admittedly Taliban. Who do you think trained the Times Square Bomber? The Taliban HATE the West and although most of the other aggressions were to get the US out of Afghanistan, Siraj Haqqani always wanted to use Afghanistan and the FATA in Pakistan as bases to plan out attacks against American interests.
Also NOTHING about AQ-AP is weak minded. They are a force to be reckoned with and influence people who are the subject of this story. I guess it will take looking at bodies of friends and neighbors at your local bombed out Starbucks to realize the fight is better over there than at home.
Is there any non-Muslim country, which these Islamic mad people have left from their bombings/killings/internal sabotage efforts?
For 9/11, there were internal supports too.
Despite all care and security, these radical Muslims will create more and more damages as the times go by.
One can cure all madness. But religious/cult madness, especially the Islamic one, is the worst and beyond all cures.
About OK city bombings and so on, why are Muslims (Shiites vs Sunnis) killing each other on a larger scale?
For Islam killing has been part of the cult since its birth!
Let us not compare apples and oranges by comparing 20th and 21st century events with events some centuries back!
While time and most of us are marching forward, majority of followers of Islamic cult are marching backwards. Look at their regular loads of craps as explanations!
The Taliban is a local group, not a international terror organization, they are a means of support for the local Al Qaida. That was the ONLY role they played in that. Yes, members of the Taliban can be a part of Al Qaida, and are, but the Taliban doesn't have the means, or the interest to target governments who had no connection to them. They don't like the US, but ONLY because we kicked their butts out of Kabul.
Defender, you are full of it. George W. diverted focus of tracking Bin Laden in 2004. He even went on National Television and announced that Bin Laden was NOT the primary target of US efforts in the region. I was in Iraq at the time he made that announcement.
After 2004, there was very little effort in the US intellegence community to do anything about Bin Laden, why do you think he was living in Abbotobad for 6 years without anyone in the west knowing about it???
Riley, I don't dissagree with anything you've said, since you aren't addressing anything I mentioned.
SallyAnn
Yes, we like every country have our own home grown radicals, so why would any administration with the brains God gave a goose, continually import more of a population with an excessive percentage of terrorists?
How many examples do we need, really?
there will never be enough examples for some people, muslim whackjobs can kill, kill, kill, and certian people will always reply, yeah, but Oklahoma City.....
one example, that happened 18 years ago, how many muslim terrorist attacks have there been since then??
I don't think the Muslims save their manevolent feelings for the West...they seem to enjoy killing each other just as much as they enjoy killing us.
Maybe we could sponsor more soccer matches like the one that just blew up in Egypt!
Kudos to the British for foiling the horrid plot.
It's part of their culture. They are taught to hate Americans. Just think "Daniel Pearl"...
These 4 brainwashed Muslim zombies can never be set free.They must be locked up permanmently as a threat to the world.They are too risky to parole ..even if they have a change of light in 25 years.Their type of "kill the infildel" must be treated as a permanent condition.Of course they won`t get life sentences .so they will probably repeat their actions one day..and perhaps with success!! As for Daniel Pearl he was an investigative journalist for the Wall Street Journal doing a report on Muslim terrorism networks in Pakistan and Afghanistan.As part of his team their was a Hindu translator, a Christian or Muslim aid and himself a secular Jew living in Paris with his pregnant French wife.He made the fatal mistake of saying casually saying " this is a multi religious team. A Christian,a Hindu and a Jew." He was set up with a phony interview , ,kidnapped and made to speak on a video with a large knife at his throat.He said," My mother was a Jew,My father wasa Jew and I`m a Jew," Then they slashed his throat or cut off his head. Very nasty business!!
The Muzis are no different than the Mexicans. They teach their children to hate Americans and how to organize social and paramilitary actions against us. They have invaded our country and are poised to take over the southwest.
Mary Beth,
al Alawki was raised right here in good old USA. He had a Mosque near downtown LA. Who knows how many weak-minded idiots he was able to manipulate while he was there.
There are plenty of weak minded Americans out there. Look at Lind, there were those in the US who pittied that loser, even though he bought a plane ticket and flew his happy but over to Afghanistan to fight against his own countrymen.
It's truly sad there are people like that, but you will find malcontents in any society and any economic situation. Even when people in the US were fat and happy, we had the school shootings in Littleton, CO. It wouldn't be a far stretch to see Harris and Klebold finding their way to some Muslim fringe group, if they were able to shoot someone or blow something up. (Just one example)
Ban Islam in Western countries and they will find their way back to their caves in their Muslim homelands.
YES!
Ad'M, we meet again! And I think that is a very sensible, reasonable, and humane--in every true sense of the word apart from an ignore-the-facts, superficial political correctness--idea. You're the first person I've heard propose it. Kudos.
this religion still proves to be nothing but for criminal from criminals to criminals.the threat is real
and those that doubt it ca move to my country nigeria.islam is the scum of this planet
udoka udowoke thanks for your contribution to this post, most Americans are horrified about what the muslims are doing to their own countrymen in Nigeria,take care and be safe!
torch nigeria. who cares if it's there or not? NO ONE! thats who. Burn it to the ground!
Um, D, you would really care if Nigeria's oil stopped flowing and the price of oil doubled overnight. Nigeria is in the top 5 oil exporters -- along with Russia, Iran, Venuela, and Saudi Arabia.
A bigger threat than Islam is America's thirst for oil, as it drives the vast majority of conflict around the world. If the US would tax gasoline up to the proper price -- between 8 and 12 dollars per gallon (which is the price that includes the cost of all the wars, and other hidden costs of oil) -- then we would very quickly shift to other sources of energy, and start to ignore the internal problems of oil producing countries.
I didn't say cut off the oil.
Islam was created to validate Mohamud's need to justify his conquest for a califate. It is not a religion at all. It borrows from Judaism and Christianty to build a platform for military-political oppression of any people anywhere. It is a cult, not a religion.
Very true sarge very true. but there is no way to rid ourselves of this boil on the cods of humanity
Very true sarge very true. but there is no way to rid ourselves of this boil on the cods of humanity
Yes there is a way to rid ourselves of these people. STOP Importing them into our country. Now we have a Flood of these people coming from Somalia and Afghanistan of all places. It seem's our Government is Deliberately seeking out Muslim's and bringing them here. Why??? Why bring a people here who have NO skill's and put them directly on welfare?? Make's NO sense at all.
All religions are cults. All religion should be outlawed!
So true
Sarge, you are right. We need to wake up to the threat
Islam, the Anti-Christ
What a wonderful PEACE LOVING religion.
I lived in the UK for 3 years. The court system there is so liberal & progressive that these guys will be back out in circulation in no time.
Let's go back to the time when we killed our enemies instead of apologizing to them.
Too bad a drone didn't find these a-holes sooner when they were at their AQ summer training camp outing in some rathole in Middle East.
I think that europe should let more Muslim's in the country, after all they are such peaceful loving people that only want to live on welfare and pray. The french are learning a Brutal lesson for letting so many in the country and the rest of europe will learn too. They give these people a chance for a decent life and all they want to do is blow things up. crazy. Another reason to outlaw religion all over the world.
I disagree on the title or heading choosen for this topic. Why do we choose to refer to a terrorist as an Islamist? Islam is a religion that respects all religions and invites people for peace, equality, and knowledge. It doesnt encourage violence, racism, or terrorism. Yet, some people are very ignorant about the truth behind Islam. Prophet Mohammed is a figure in Islam, he is not ,by all means, the creature of a religion. Islam is not based on any christianity or judaism, but the Quran ,the holy book of islam, justifies both religions and encourages Muslims to be keen and helpful to christians and Jews. Muslims all over the world help and support non-muslims. Islam was the first religion to forbid slavery and violence and encourage equality and peace. So why do we choose to associate muslims and islam with terror? Why do we choose to convict a nation of being violent and terrorists? Is it ignorance or is it discrimination?
It is neither Ignorance or discrimination, it is the truth, and the Truth shall set you free.
The Quran is full of contridiction. Still, it pretty much defines what an infidel is, and calls for the death of same. Islam is not a religion of peace.
Well, if I had to choose, I'd say it's discrimination.
It's true that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists. Even the majority of Islamists, whom I would define as those taking a very strict, fundamentalist view of Islam, are not terrorists.
But the fact is that there are large terrorist groups that are extremely dangerous and have global reach. And those groups use Islam as their rationale.
When trying to wrap our minds around why these people would do these things, why they would kill innocent people, what message they're trying to send us, we get a clear answer: their religion tells them to do it. This is different from when we look at particular mass murderers and look at their reasons; lunacy is isolated. Fanaticism is stigmatized. Religion is neither. It's in the nature of religion to spread, coerce, and change people. That makes it far more insidious than, say, the xenophobia that may lead a man to go on a shootout on an island.
So you have an association. There are people who want to kill innocents just because of their religion. And the thing is, it keeps happening. We find these people again and again. And it always seems to be the same religion.
So you get discrimination. Islam itself becomes the problem. Luckily (or rather, hopefully) this sort of attitude won't spread, because I don't want to live in any country that kicks out people based the actions of others who happen to practice a twisted, radicalized version of a shared religion. But Islam needs more than the occasional apologist explaining how nice and peaceful the religion is if it's going to shake off the perception of being the religion of terror and bloody intolerance.
Why? Are you being obtuse on purpose? How about Honor Rape, Blowing up innocent people, Stoning People, Beheading People, appalling abuses against women, jihad, "kill the infidel" philosophy. I am so sick of people saying it is a "religion of peace" when the countries where it dominates are the most non peaceful on the planet. So save your same old excuses for Islam, no one buys it.
Moshm - you have got to be kidding! How can you expect anyone to believe that nonsense. You keep slaves to this day, all of your women. You stone people to death. Very peaceful religion always working toward equality for all people and other religions.
Sounds like the Quran is just like the bible.
The Islamic cult has always shown zero tolerance for non-Muslims and other religions both in their countries and where ever they congregate in the world. Islamist leaders have always stayed silent to the countless terrorist acts conducted on behave of the Islamic "faith". They look at you as obstacles between them and a world governed under Sharia law.
The goal of the Islamic cult, from their beginning to their end, is to provoke Sharia law in all countries. All under the guise of religion. Well, based on their own words and deeds Islam is not a religion it is a failed political system. Not a religion based on comparison with the other great religions of the world. Failed political systembased on their abuse and barbaric treatment of their own people.
It is high time to ban Islam in Western countries, then they will all find their way back to theirs caves in their Muslim homelands. It has be proven that the Islamist will never agree to peace with non-Muslim, Israeli - Palestinian mess.
As Moshm states, "Islam is a religion that respects all religions and invites people for peace, equality, and knowledge. It doesnt encourage violence, racism, or terrorism. Yet, some people are very ignorant about the truth behind Islam."
What I just don't understand is if this is so, Islam needs a new PR company as they have been hijacked by their nut jobs intent on killing and destroying anything that remotely resembles all of the things that their home countries lack.
If Moshm's statement is true then Muslims seem to be very ignorant about Islam.
There is only one suitable sentence for anyone associated with Al-Kayduh (I refuse to even spell it correctly):
Placed into a chemically induced coma until they expire of old age.
This way they can never be called "martyrs" (the radical islamic word for "murderer"), can never carry out any other actions, and it's way cheaper than prison where they could spread their corrupt stupidity.
they want to be mytars so execute them and give them what they want and deserve.
Peaceful Muslims, spreading the peace.
The majority of Muslims who were raised, or converted, in the west contest that the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving, open handed people. I wonder, when I see stories like this one, why there are so many who try to subvert, persecute or in the case of modern Iraq and Iran, target Christian, Buddhist or even each other? The Sunnis and Shia' have been at each other's throats almost since the religion was founded. Both are convisnce that their's is the TRUE Islamic religion.
Just as Christians acted in the 600s though the 11 century, Muslims are attempting to expand, and subvert communities all over the world. Unlike the early Christians, there is little camouflage for the contempt the Muslim religion has for other beliefs.
The Inquisition was localized to Europe and the Eastern Mediterranian. The current flow of violence is Global. Muslims are targetting others in the Philipinnes, Thailand, India, Southern China, the Middle East (of Course), and the US. We have been accused of starting a "war" against the Muslim people by many. (Interesting, since we weren't the ones who blew up the Trade Towers...)
I am not the type of person who tends to feel that people aren't entitled to their views, and the same goes here. I don't have any fundemental issue with the Muslim faith, I don't exactly approve of the way they treat women, but as with any other faith, "as long as you aren't adversely affecting others (or killing), who don't believe the same way you do, you are free to do as you please." THAT is what the US Flag symbolizes.
Islamic terrorists ?? But....thats not what I've been taught in reverse reality liberal fantasy land !!!.......Im sure white people are behind this...Contessa ?
Well, Europe, how's that multiculturalism and coexistence working for you NOW? There are several posts here babbling about how islam is the "religion of peace" and that it coexists with other religions. Tell us again, how Christianity is either persecuted or completely outlawed in countries where there is a muslime majority. Or how peaceful it is, when a muslime who converts to another religion is automatically under a death penalty. Or how the Afghans who immigrated to Canada and murdered their sisters for Westernizing - you mean those peaceful and tolerant mu-slimes?
Europe is two or three generations away from internal civil wars. Just wait until the Muslims there have bred to sufficient voting numbers and you'll see something terrible happen there.
They are too stupid to vote.
Hang them.
I think we should've made them all glow in the dark years ago!