Look, its Hamas pretending to be Jewish! And the joke is, they actually think they ARE Jewish! :)

Archeim,

Couldn't agree more.

This just goes to prove that every religion has its morons...and extremism is no license to carry a brain.

Archeim,

Couldn't agree more.

This just goes to prove that every religion has its morons...and extremism is no license to carry a brain.

And as an FYI... i am Jewish.

Derek - i never assume anything anymore when it comes to the middle east... certain groups (which will remain nameless) excel at doing things like taking pictures of "dead arabs" who return to the land of the living as soon as the picture has been taken. So, yes... things can be staged depending on who wants sympathy and who wants to demonize the other side... but regardless of how its done, and who it is done by... whether church vandalism, mosque vandalism or synagogue vandalism (etc) I still think it is totally wrong.

For arguments sake... Hebrew is one of the main languages in the area, so would it be "possible" that a member of another group or religion did this to place blame on the Jewish people? Sure.

But unless someone builds a place of worship over say... the temple of King Solomon... i think vandalism of religious sites is wrong.

No, ,this price tag policy is an ongoing, long-lived campaign of violence carried out by Jewish Israelis. It's got nothing to do with Arabs; you insult people w hen you try to put the blame on another group. Take responsibility. In addition, it's not Arabs in Israel that have a problem with Christians - it's Orthodox jews that have a tradition of spitting on priests and Christians in Israel. Let's stop sweeping the problem under the rug. It's unfair and bigoted.

It seems to me that nobody is fit to live in the "holy land".

bonos - What would we expect the result to be with an administration in Washington that has repeatedly slapped the face of Israel?

Don't get me wrong. Israel has needed a push back for some time, but this guy has (in my very humble opinion) taken things too far. Problem is Israel & her populace know this just the same as you and I do. The fact that some of their fringe groups might act out is no surprise. Same as happens here in the USA with OWS and the Tea Party. Sooner or later the oppressed must rise up...

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

probably just a few old codgers checking an item off their bucket lists.

Don't rush to judgement. The radical settler youth are not known for targeting Christians, they usually go after Muslims. According to an Israeli site (in Russian - use Google or any other online translator of your choice) it could be a ruse by Arabs. After all we all know who was behind the Reichstag arson

Bonos - Is the Hebrew language only accessible to those who have a secret decoder ring? Anyone can write the words in Hebrew. Just because it might look like the most logical suspect, doesnt mean it is. I dont know where you live, but in America where i live... people are innocent until proof shows otherwise.

"When in doubt, blame others. Right Bart. You are ridiculous." - Justiceforall-3257287

Ever heard "innocent until found guilty beyond any reasonable doubt"? You are ridiculous.

"we can just as easily say that all of those rockets lobbed by "Palestinians" are from Jews looking to provoke incidents" - bonos_rama

Unlike in this case, Hamas, Jihad, and other terrorists eagerly take responsibility for the rockets. Plead guilty=is guilty.

Religious extremism of ANY flavor is dangerous. Christians and Jews can be terrorists just like Muslims. Anyone who thinks that God has given them "permission" to kill others needs some intensive deprogramming.

bonos - What would we expect the result to be with an administration in Washington that has repeatedly slapped the face of Israel?

Don't get me wrong. Israel has needed a push back for some time, but this guy has (in my very humble opinion) taken things too far. Problem is Israel & her populace know this just the same as you and I do. The fact that some of their fringe groups might act out is no surprise. Same as happens here in the USA with OWS and the Tea Party. Sooner or later the oppressed must rise up...

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Here we go with the anti-Americanism. First of all, this kind of thing goes back decades - spitting on priests in israel is a big, ongoing problem. It's been in the papers and everything. Second of all, what the hell does the U.S.A. have to do with Israel's policies? If t hese bastards are mad at their gov't, why are they taking it out on innocent people? That's disgraceful and makes them basically Hamas. Yep. No different.

Arkeim, no, no secret decoder ring needed. All that's needed is the word of the Israeli police, who clearly stated it's likely the work of Israeli Jews. And of course there's the long history of Israeli price tag policies against the innocent.

But if you want to play the "false flag" game, let me remind you that Israel has attacked the U.S. and Britain under false flag pretenses, pretending to be Arabs/Muslims. Lavon Affair, King David Hotel bombing, Semiramis Hotel, U.S.S. Liberty - all purporting to be Muslims or Arabs, and all Israelis killing British or American citizens.

Now, back to the attack on the monastery. I find it disgraceful. How about you??

Graffiti painted by 12yo. palestinian children.

bonos_rama:

it's Orthodox jews that have a tradition of spitting on priests and Christians in Israel.

It is actually the Ultra orthodox that do that, not the orthodox. Most of the settlers in these are Ultra orthodox. They not only hate Christians and Muslims, but even hate Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jews.

FYI: I am not a Jew. I am Noahide.

I'm not surprised at them attacking Christians. All of the Jews are like that.

Come on, you people need to take a breath and think. Have you never heard of devide and conquor? I seriously doubt this was done by Jewish settlers. I really wonder what is happening in our country to read so many posters saying horrid things about "Jews". Has Hitler come to America? I really thing what the Myans saw coming in 2012 was the collective American mind being badly damaged so that our world will end as we have known it. We support radical uprisings, without any clue who they are or what their intent is. We bomb the one Middle East country where we have managed to taket he regime to the point of giving up nuclear ambitions and being peaceful. What is going on in this country? Has the destruction of our Christian values and the PC, anything goes attitude led to this. Have the liberal twistings of our education system done this? There are many days when I don't recognise the country I grew up in. I have never been overly religious in terms of the last days etc. But, maybe this is the time when the Devil will reign? Common sense certainly has fled this country.

bonos_rama

What proof is there of who did this? Can you say there isn't a more serious attack on Christians happening in our own country. All a non-believer has to do is file a lawsuit and yet another Christian tradition of our country will be forbidden. Didn't our own administration just break the Constitutional ban on Government interferring with religion by demanding Christian churches and schools pay for insurance to provide abortions and birth control against their religion? Don't get all steamed up about what some kid has done in Israel, worry about what is being done here.

What we need is the ancient alien theory to be true and we need those aliens to show up sooner than later.

It seems to me that most of this worlds problems are rooted in religion. How wonderful it would be if every Muslim didnt believe in virgin paradise? How likely would Holly Homemaker send her son or daughter to Iraq if she knew there was no Heaven?

How would people act and treat each other if they knew this reality that we live in is the miracle?

How many miracles blow themselves up because of religion?

People say the atom bomb is the most destructive invention by Humans. I beg to differ.

On a side note. It would also be great if the aliens beamed that monster Assad and that worm Putin straight to the more penal parts of our galaxy. Those dont deserve to be called Humans.

Intolerant religious fanatics are the bane of every human population. As long as Israel prosecutes Jewish terrorists and criminals with the same vigor they prosecute Muslim terrorists and criminals - that is fine with me, but we all know that is not the case.

bonos, rehashing the liberty is a waste of energy. as many know i am pro pal, but i am also quite fair. its time we more on and stop living the mistakes of the past. we were not there, nor were almost everyone on the vine so we have no part in it. the leaders of the time were the ones to blame, not the people of then or now. the same holds true for everything else, have a day of remembrance to honor people who were treated unfairly, but not every day. we all need to grow and move on and prevent things like that from every happening again

GTR - Thanks for the bigotted comment of the day. You've been reported, not wasting any more time on you.

Max - As a Zionist, I still feel that the settlers, this whole price tag thing, and Likud and Bibi for supporting them are truly hurting any chance for peace. While I agree that Israel doesn't do nearly enough to reign in the extremism on its end, and I don't want to make light of this at all, but at least Israel does prosecute and punish some of the offenders. This is more than can be said for the Pals who praise their extremists as heroes. All I am saying is that criticize Israel all you want for the lack of persecution of their extremist elements, but please recognize the double standard.

ZDub, to whom did you report me to, Mossad? Screw them also.

Dave294.You stated rehashing the Liberty is a waste of energy. No it is not. Never forget the USS Liberty. This was a deliberate attack on a US ship on 8 June 1967 and was no mistake.

ZDub, to the majority of Jewish settler movement, Yigal Amir - the Zionist terrorist who murdered Israel's prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, is a great hero. So please do not tell me that only Palestinians celebrate murderers and terrorists as heroes. Jews deserve Palestinians, and Palestinians deserve Jews - the bigotry, hate, and religious extremism flourish on both sides. Israel needs to do much more to reign in their own terrorists and haters.

@gtr, rehashing is a waste of energy, it will not change the facts, yes it sucks that it happened, however what else did i say, a day of remembrance.... arguing the facts will not do a thing, remembering and preventing it from ever happening again will

@Max:

Israel needs to do much more to reign in their own terrorists and haters.

And Palestine doesn't?

You missed the entire point of my comment. We need to stop saying one side needs to do this, just like we need to stop saying one side is better or more morally sound than the other. Both sides have extremists, and these extremists don't speak for the majority of the people they come from. Extremism from one side only adds to the extremism on the other. Saying Israelis are terrorists is just as bad as saying Palestinians are terrorists. BOTH SIDES need to stop the hate, recognize we are all brothers and sisters on this planet, and start punishing the extremists in their midsts on their own, within the law, and as publicly as possible.

Jews have been persecuting Christians for some time now, im surprised this story got through the cracks as Israelis try hard and pay alot of money to keep these stories from getting to the American media. The other story of Israel in bed with another terrorist organization other than their own working together to murder innocent scientists in Iran. This just goes to tell you that the videos of israelis bulldozing palestinian homes and murdering the civilians in Palestine are all true and maybe worst than we think since not all videos have surfaced of Israels genocide against Palestine. Israel is simply trying to take over the middle east and even a moron can see that. Israel is already taking over the United States by bribing future presidential candidates and even bribing our current president who kneels to Israel everyday and is selling out the U.S for pennies on the dollar to the Jews

Could be some crazed Israelis or it could be some Israeli Arabs and Palestinians looking to provoke an incident..to blame on the Israelis.In any case move on with the negotiations..There is no better way..

If you are going to pretend that this was done by Palestinians then we can just as easily say that all of those rockets lobbed by "Palestinians" are from Jews looking to provoke incidents. YOu really want to go there?

When in doubt, blame others. Right Bart. You are ridiculous.

Can't we sentence all extremists to live on an island and let them devour each other?

That's reality tv gold right there! Call it "Survivor: Holy Wars!"

;)

Why is MSNBC so quick to blame Jews and why are all you people so quick to go along? Christians, our traditions tied to Christianity, and the basics of our faith have been under attack by athiests for some time, now they are after the Jews too. Now it seems the administration and the entire liberal sect of our population has joined in. Are we destined to live in Sodom and Gamorah? If the Mayans were right and the end comes next December, these things will be the cause.

People whats so hard about believing some ultra Orthodox Jews attacking Christians,after all the Sadducee and Pharisees had Jesus crucified, before you attack me I belong to the IFCJ and support Israel.

wlee is correct

We've seen this before. Even in the U.S.

Just like Islam, Jews have their "evil" ones. So do Christians. Hell, I bet there's even a few Buddhists who aren't too happy with a particular group some where.

I am agnostic, but Christianity is at least based on peaceful intent and forgiveness. Both the Jewish faith and Islam are old testament eye for an eye type violence.

Donn tell that to the Incas and Aztecs.

Christianity is at least based on peaceful intent and forgiveness.

All religions say that. The crimes committed in the name of Christianity speak for themselves.

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All religions say that. The crimes committed in the name of Christianity speak for themselves.

You shouldn't judge Christianity by what has been done in its name. Just because someone calls him/herself a Christian doesn't make that person one, nor does it mean that person's actions are in keeping with the teachings of Christ. Look at what Christ said and did to judge the merits of Christianity, not those CLAIMING to represent Christ.

@Vince "Just because someone calls him/herself a Christian doesn't make that person one"

Wrong. That's exactly what makes a person christian. If you ask a Klansman if they are christian, they'd say they were and just because they don't fit the mold you want christians to fit doesn't mean they're not one. To exclude violent christians would be excluding many saints and historial figures.

"You shouldn't judge Christianity by what has been done in its name."

Why not? A religion's values are the ones the followers practice, not what's preached.

Steven - to the credit of Christianity/Catholocism... it took years... but for the most part in the world the Crimes in the name of Christianity have calmed down (at least the ones involving murder)

Hi Bob. Ever heard of the Crusades? Wasn't that the bloodiest of wars where "Christians" left England to go to what is present day "Middle East" to convert Muslims to Christianity? Now, I would not call that exactly peaceful, would you?

The truth is, all through the ages there have been jerks who seek to impose their religious beliefs on others and who would not hesitate to use force and shed blood to that end. No one religion is exempt from this behaviour.

Homeland Security has added the following religious extremist groups to their 'possible terror suspects' list:

Aryan prison gangs

Black nationalism

Black power

Christian Identity

ethnic-based extremism

Jewish extremism

neo-Nazis

Christian Patriots/Constitutionalists/Patriot movement

Phineas Priesthood

race-based Norse mysticism (Odinism, Asatru)

skinheads

left wing extremism

right wing extremism

Once the NDAA kicks in on Feb 29, if you are a non-US-citizen accused of any of the above you can be detained by the military without trial until the war on terror is over.

If you are a US citizen accused or suspected of the above you can be stripped of your citizenship once the Enemy Expatriation Act (HR3166) is passed into law and be detained as a hostile illegal without trial until the war on terror is over.

So, Ike--as of Feb 29, the US can now send extremists to live on an island until they devour each other...no sentencing needed.

It's oh so easy to blame 'religion' all the time. The simple truth is any belief taken to the extreme is dangerous because it automatically precludes and ultimately fears gainsaying.

Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and (dare I say without some dumb 'internet rule' falling on my head) Hitler were all 'true believers' - none in a theological deity.

Alverant - calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you a Christian, it makes you a person who calls yourself a Christian. If a person who believed in trashing the environment, setting fire to rainforests and killing endangered species called themselves a 'Green'... would they be one?

What defines a person as a Christian is belief in the redemption of mankind's sin through the ressurection of Jesus Christ and the consequent following of His somewhat non-violent teachings. If you don't believe that and follow the two fundamental Gospel Commandments, chances are, you're probably not actually a Christian. Merely someone who says they are.

Many people on their knees in churches don't really believe; many who stay firmly out of church do. Which is the more Christian?

Two other things that always seem to get forgotten in these debates: judging people who lived 500, 1000, 1500 years ago by today's codes and standards is somewhat fallacious - learning, philosophy, interpretations and, most importantly, day to day conditions have changed considerably since then - these temper world-view.

The Crusaders who initially went to Holy Land didn't know who they were facing and regarded them with ignorance, fear and suspicion; those later Crusaders who settled, some of whom were born and lived in the Holy Land saw the Muslims differently and rubbed along with them quite well - considering them important trading partners, knowledgeable and worth heeding.

The other key ignored reality is that people are 'only human' - fallible, open to prejudice, error, fear and making monumentally stupid decisions. 'Let he who is without sin' and all that - that was understood 2,000 years ago - why has it still not been grasped?

When condemning the 'violent' Christians maybe it could be remembered that the Catholic church declared torture to be both pointless and wrong about 500 years years ago and most major Christian denominations (Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox) range from outright condemnation of to strongly urging against the death penalty. Russia abolished the death penalty as unChristian in the 10th Century. The US still believes in both practices - something it shares with quite a few Islamic countries.

Perhaps the most important and completely missed line in the whole article above are the words of Father Claudio himself, "I am a priest and I forgive".

Surely that is a real Christian.

The Enemy Expatriation Act, or H.R. 3166, was introduced by Republican Representative Charles Dent of Pennsylvania

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/317977#ixzz1lial45EX

Allmill2,

I would suggest your knowledge of the Crusades (of which there were, depending on numbering system, around 16) may be a little flawed.

The First Crusade was in 1095 when the Byzantine Emperor pleaded for help from Pope Urban II to save his empire from the invading Turks. The Crusaders were primarily of French origin and also sought to restore captured land in the Holy Land to the Byzantine Empire. This was a mere 30 years after the Norman Conquest of England and the Norman French were still having to deal with their newly acquired English territory - with a mere 1,000-2,000 Normans in England they didn't have much manpower to spare for gallivanting round popular Mediterranean holiday destinations reclaiming things.

The purpose of this Crusade, and all the other Levantine Expeditions, was to place the Holy Land and Holiest Christina places in Christian hands and secure the routes there for pilgrims - the same goes for the Crusade to secure the Northern Iberian route to Santiago de Compostella. Conversion was not an issue.

It was not until the Third Crusade, some hundred years later, that England got involved (and when I say England I mean the nobility - the rest of the people just had to pay for it!). This was the Crusade led by Richard the Lionheart - made famous by popping up at the end of numerous Robin Hood movies and saying 'I've just done a load of Crusading, now I'm back, time to make Ye Olde England fair and less taxed, huzzah!'. Carefully ignoring that he was the one who'd taxed the country 'til the pips squeaked rather than Prince John. Richard, however, didn't go to convert, merely reclaim and never conquered (or even set foot in) Jerusalem. He did make treaties with Saladin to allow Western merchants free trade and unarmed pilgrims free access to the East.

He also nearly bankrupted England with his adventures in the Middle East - not the last to do that.

Later Crusades were mainly against 'heretical' Christians and various generally threatening peoples on the Northern edges of Europe: Cathars (who had some really strange beliefs and lived Southern France), Pagans (who had non-Christian beliefs and kept invading from the North), Russian Orthodox (who had the 'wrong' sort of Christian beliefs), the Swedish Crusades (which were for territorial gain), against North African pirates (who were very annoying), the Balkan Crusades (to counter Ottoman expansion) and, of course, the Reconquista in the Iberian Peninsula was all part of a one ongoing Crusade to reclaim the region from Muslim/ Moorish rule (and took around 400 years).

The reasons for all the Crusades ranged from reclaiming Holy places through trade and greed to territorial sovereignty and self-defence (in the Balkans and the North).

None of it was conversion: in the lands that came under Crusader rule Muslims were able to practice their religion and live in reasonable peace. (Which also tended to happen the other way round as well.)

However, most Crusades to the Middle East began with horrific levels of slaughter: the First Crusade's Jerusalem massacre left the Crusaders literally wading in blood. It is the memories of events such as these that have done much to poison East-West relations.

When making sweeping statements about the purposes of such things as Crusades and their constituent fighters it might help if you checked the facts.

They weren't for conversion; only two involved the English (the Third c.1191 and the Ninth c.1271). Hardly a major involvement in a 400+ year long campaign.

Extremism is not about religion. It's about power, and it uses religion as its raison d'etre.

People who "believe" are by definition superstitious and weak-minded joiners, and therefore can be easily influenced and controlled. It's easy to get them to do anything based on emotion, from joining the military to blowing themselves up to voluntarily participating in their own subjugation.

Religion is one of the main avenues to power. It will be with us always in one form or another.

Archeim - I would like to simply clarify something here...

Being part native America from 3 of my grandparents I

have personally been subject to stories that tell only

ONE thing about Christians...

If you ain't ONE of us... you are Against us...

The most recent sort of Murder Created by a

person who was a "devout and pious" Christian

has been part to at least 14 murders of people

who practice Spirit Medicine which has NOTHING

to do with what the Local Pastor claims that these

people are "possessed" by Demons.

The ONLY blood on anyone's hands for these 14 people

that are now dead is a Christian's hands.

What do you think would have happened had ANY of

these 14 people shot and killed a Christian in cold blood?

The stories during Andrew Jackson's time of paying US-Gold

for ears, eyes, and many other "body parts" of Native Peoples.

Beyond this, the genocide laid out by Christians around the

world is sickening and murderous. IF they were subject to the

same "justice" they practiced MANY Christians would be dead

and there would be a lot less violence towards Native Peoples.

The USE religion to promote agendas, land-grabbing and many

other things that are part of the "take" culture. We even have

self-professed Christians running for President that like the idea

that they ONLY pay 15% taxes on their monies. They CHEAT a

system that was designed around their needs. I consider that TWO

lies, not one: the first is that they support equity and the second

that they take every advantage that can be made theirs.

The other part of all of this is the Proselytes that go around the

world on Missions working to "help people". Usually they are

"ego-tripping" assuming that THIS culture is better than the OTHER

culture.

Technology has not made it any better. Show me the love, respect

and honor that a Native person lives with in Truth and then I'll

believe WHAT you are saying about Christians. I've seen TOO many

Onward Christian Soldier war stories to know better.

Sorry, I disagree --

Cherokee_Proud:

Truthfully passionately narrated. My respects and understanding to you. However, you should have elaborated some on the following:

Said the portly spindly legged missionary too the Proud Handsome Native American Warrior Chief "You are savages. Here is the Holy Bible. Read the Good Book of the loving God. Read it become civilized and be saved in lord Jesus name."

Actually the book is filled with genocidal commands, and pornography...and the latter version mostly with hate filled letters written by a self-hating homosexual Jew convert misogynist named Saint Paul - Saul of Tarsus - who cleverly eloquently negated Jesus, paradoxically in Jesus' own name...Amazing read as thriller and deception - magic fiction of a man-made pagan god!

...And later as you look up from the Book - its a long read and you have compulsary mandatory Church attendence, as well as have to hunt and gather to feed the fat missionary...and finally as you look to find him, the Christian Missionary has taken your land, burnt your home, robbed you of your gold, raped your daughters, murdered your sons, sex-slaved your women and children. All in holy Christ Jesus name. Wow!

...Now you have the Holy Bible, they have everything else including the bones of your brave warrior heroes in museums...skulls of your ancestors as ash trays, desecrated your sacred tribal burial grounds dug up the graves to plant crops...made soft smooth leatherette skin from your women's breasts as tobacco pouches. Humiliated you which ever whateverway, in Jesus name.

Oh, lest I forget, they also gave you booze and beads and bangles...and took your fingers, toes, scalps, and ears for trophies - standard Christian Soldier behaviour.

ALL done in Jesus holy name. You now have the Book. You are saved and onto everlasting life promised you...as your children are sodomized regularly after Sunday school, and converted to the mythical Triune Christian god - Father , Son, and the Holy Ghost...Hallelujah!!!

Cassie - Your representation of "believers" as being "superstitious and weak minded joiners," is as ridiculous as it is condescending. Those traits are an inherent part of humanity in general; and as such you are likely correct in saying that they will always be with us. Superstition "by definition" is not limited to religious beliefs in the least; it can encompass our beliefs in all aspects of things that we do not fully understand (even scientific principles - i.e. gravity being a "force").

As for the religious being "joiners" - the vast majority of the human population believes in religion in one form or another, yet I would venture to say that a good portion (if not the overall majority) have not joined a church. A religious affiliation (Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, Buddhist) simply represents a person's general beliefs - not the fact that a person has joined anything; otherwise you would be just as guilty of being a "joiner" for joining the ranks of the minority non-believers.

The problem with humanity is human nature - not religion. Religion is merely one of a myriad of excuses that man can employ to rationalize acting on base desires. Elitism, greed, narcissism, hate, etc. are only some of the causes of humanity's ills; and they - along with many others - are all traits found in believers and non-believers alike. So if you feel the need to place blame on a global scale, place it where it rightfully belongs - squarely on the shoulders of Homo sapiens.

Cherokee_proud - ᏏᏳ (Siyu)! Greetings from someone who shares your proud Tsalagi (ᏣᎳᎩ) heritage!

Although I understand (and share) your passion about the persecution of native peoples and beliefs, I must point out that you are conflating religious, ethnic, and political persecution - concepts that rightfully require that a distinction be made. To fail to recognize a difference is to lump us together with the despised Andrew Jackson since we voluntarily joined him in the Red Stick War under the leadership of the Cherokee Major Ridge.

We are obviously not the same as Andrew Jackson any more than "Christians" - as a whole - are the same as the perpetrator of the murders of which you spoke. Persecution committed "by a Christian" is not the same as persecution committed "by the Church." Granted that persecution and atrocities have been committed by both - in abundance! - nevertheless - they are not the same.

Never forget that we - as Native Peoples - have enough skeletons in our own closet. Never forget that we also engaged in the despicable habit of taking "trophies" of body parts from our vanquished foes. Saying "Well, they did it first!" is but a poor excuse for such utterly contemptible behavior! Our peoples engaged in similar behavior - are we to be lumped together with them simply because we did not do so on such a grand scale as they?

Sorry - As usual, the Cherokee letters in the previous post did not show correctly. And then they did (at least for me)! :(

Bob-880105

You are incorrect there Bob. Christians are taught to be kind and generous and not to intentionally hurt others but we very much believe in an eye for an eye, don't doubt that will still exists.

Cassie321

If what you say is true then Liberalism and Political Correctness have become a very dangerous and destructive religion in our country. I am a Christian, yet I don't attend a Church regularly. I have no need to since I can commune with God just fine on a sunny morning in my garden admiring all the wonderful things he has blessed our world with. Liberals, athiests, and the uber politically correct don't seem to have anything they share except bitterness and the drive for acceptance of thier wrong thinking and hatred of those that do not accept thier twisted way of thinking as the right way to be.

Bob-880105

Christianity is at least based on peaceful intent and forgiveness

Yeah, and I'm sure the millions of Native Americans (from Argentina to Canada) who died because they wouldn't follow christianity are true testament to your statement.

Rick, one of the best post I've seen, congrats. To all those Bob bashers reread his comment, it says it's based on peace and forgiveness, not how man has corrupted it. Hamzsque, your hate consumes you. I feel sorry for you.

Most of you are projecting the actions and beliefs of 'Western Christians' on Orthodox Christians. The Orthodox Church actually lived and worked peacefully with Native Alaskans. They didn't commit any genocide of Native Americans. Catholics did kill Alaskan Orthodox converts though. Also, the crusades took place after the East-West Schism. The Catholic church invaded Palestine, killing not only Muslims but also Orthodox Christians. Your reasoning equates to the same thing as projecting Wahhabi Islam on to Sufis. You might as well also blame Ethiopian Orthodox Christians for the European colonizing of Africa. Is it American education and stubbornness that makes you jump to ignorant conclusions?

BMette

If all the Christians are put to death, then all the Muslims will eat all the Jews.

Untruth. Malicious lies. Falsehood. Rewriting of history. Muslims live and eat halal. Jews live and eat kosher. Halal and Kosher are very similar. The Pauline Flock eats unclean. You are in malignant error. Only Christians eat human flesh and drink human blood. Read your Book.

Further, Muslims and Jews have lived in harmony and peace through the ages. The Muslim Shield sheltered the Jews as they thrived together for over a thousand years. The Muslim Sword cut the Crusader Cross at the knee and protected the Jews. Only when the Muslims were gone the Christian Inquisition was able to rob, convert, slaughter, gass and oven the Jews.

Only after 1948 when the ZioNazi were planted on Muslim lands by force did the present enmity ensue. Jews are still welcome...ZioNazi have always taken them to Temple1, TempleII, Masada, Inquisition, and the Holocaust...and will prod them to death again. Kosher Jews who believe in G-d Yahweh repudiate the Zionis tand Israel...check it out. Ask them and verify.

When the ChristoFascists and their ZioNazi Overlord are gone...Muslims and Jews will live in peace, harmony and as neighbours again.

LOL

Hamzsque,Islam was created by stealing from the Old and New Testaments formed by a fraud with a taste of very young girls, who slaughter their own for power while keeping their own people ignorant. Read your post to prove my point.

Wlee: You really need to read more books on the different religions before you make your conclusion unless your an extremist than you wont read any book and just spread hate and propoganda

wlee-950886

Hamzsque,Islam was created by stealing from the Old and New Testaments

Not so. The Noble Koran is fundamentally different from the New Testament which is essentially a Pagan Cult.The Holy Torah and the Noble Koran are similar in that they advocate the ONE GOD. Judea-Christian tradition is an oxymoron. There is a 900year gap between the last chapter of OT - Malachi, and the NT.

Moses and Muhammad are both law givers. [Jesus is not]. Dietary and cleanliness laws are also similar in Islam and Judaism and are based on the same hygienic principles as modern medicine - with the Holy Torah laws far more exacting and problematic to follow as compared to those in the Noble Koran.

And while Judaism and Islam both make washing of hands before meals mandatory, Jesus in the OT categorically forbids the washing of hands and food utensils...? Filthy pagan tradition.

Jesus was NOT a law giver. He came, was sent, to uphold the Law of Moses, however the homosexual pseudo-apostle Paul - Saul of Tarsus - upstaged him and abrogated the teachings of Jesus-James -Jude.

Moses came from G-d Yahweh to rescue and covenant the Jews as the Chosen-People of Yahweh. The non-kosher ZioNazi Israeli have broken and repudiated this covenant. The authentic kosher Jews, fearing the wrath of Yahweh as documented in their Scripture, have separated themselves from the ZioNazi blasphemers and criminals.

The New Testament is a Pagan testament loosely plagiarized and packaged from Pagan Trinity and Judaism's liturgy...making NO sense: The defination of Pauline Pagan Cult Christianity!

There is little of Jesus in the New Testament and NO 'Gospel of Jesus'...which was destroyed by the Pauline Flock and their Church. There is more of Jesus and Mary in the Noble Koran than in the New Testament. Satanic Apostle Paul - Saul of Tarsus - dominates the New Testament and purges the teachings and principles of Jesus from it. Read and confirm.

Further, the Noble Koran emancipates women, the Bible subjugates and dehumanizes them. The Holy Torah is for the Jews. The New Testament saves the Pauline Flock...and condemns and promises genocidal slaughter for everyone else.

Allah in the Noble Koran sent The Prophet, Muhammad, as a mercy and salvation for ALL people irrespective of caste, color, sex, creed, race or ethnic origin ...at Allah's Will.

The Noble Koran categorically abolished slavery and emancipated women in the 7th century. 21Century Western Civilization has yet to match these freedoms and independence.

The US Constitution was designed based on these equity principles of the Noble Koran by Thomas Jefferson...he referred to his copy of the Noble Koran while working on the Constitution, on the basis of which he also repudiated and rejected the Holy Bible and wrote what is now known as the Jefferson Bible...almost calls Paul Satan and demonic...some other such similar words.

The New Testament is in stark contrast to the Old Testament and the Noble Koran, the latter two have much in common. Major differences lie in the treatment of women and in Genesis...

In Islam there is NO original sin, Man and Women were created equal and independently at the same time and NOT from man's rib and thus NOT inferior and subservient to him...and there is NO serpent. Sorry.

Jews and Muslims do NOT believe that Jesus is divine or that God has a son. This Pagan imagery is fundamental to Pauline Christianity...the mother of god/son imagery is also pure primitive pagan.

formed by a fraud with a taste of very young girls,

This is rubbish. Only the foolish fall for this propaganda. And coming from child banger Christians is idotic hypocricy. They are the defunct looser who has nothing good or constructive to offer of his own tries to throw filth and mud to propagates this meme...Christians often, and sometimes Atheists, do this as if it would endear them to the Muslims or prove Islam wrong. Abuse and malicious innuendo is the last resort of the braggart, the defunct, and the defeated.

There is nothing more real, nor more authentic and true, pure, and pious than the Noble Prophet Muhammad. Throwing filth at Vinci will not paint you a Mona Lisa...but the you silly Christians try any way - followers of a porno book!

There is far more evidence of pederasty between the young John the Evangelist and your lord Christ Jesus. I have so far tried to avoid it for the Noble Koran forbids it, however it also allows retaliation in kind...so far I have avoided this topic.

However should you Christians continue to throw stones they will come back at you very many times over...and you silly people live in glass houses.

Try to present something good and noble about your religion if you want to win hearts and minds...try war, and you will be defeated. Your glass house will shatter around you. Simple fools you Christians. You don't read your Book for yourself. Should you read...end of the Christian believe system. Just Pagan rhetoric and liturgy.

who slaughter their own for power while keeping their own people ignorant.

Pot calling the kettle...

Read your post to prove my point.

My post proves my point. You need a refresher course in reading and comprehension.

Hamzsque - Oh wow! And you should definitely continue to avoid this topic. While I in no way agree with wlee's statement here (my ex-wife and daughter are Muslim); I find your response to be just as outrageous. There are so many things wrong about your post that I am not about to jump into this mess here - it would result in the ultimate derail.

Possibly, but I would be far less likely to have my head chopped off by a radical christian than a radical muslim!

Read your history please. More innocent people have been slaughtered and tortured in Christ's name than in the name of any other religion, by far, especially when you include all the wars and killings between Catholics and Protestants.

north - i think Ken was speaking from a more "recent" viewpoint. Christianity/Catholicism has become much more calm and much less murderous over the years.

Not everywhere, Archeim. Christians in Africa behead and rape and kill daily. And in Northern Ireland, they bomb each other.

Well said homesick

"Possibly, but I would be far less likely to have my head chopped off by a radical christian than a radical muslim!"

Yes, but my clinic doctor is far more likely to be murdered by a christian than a muslim.

Well, maybe radical Christians won't cut off your head (but they did cut off the hands of native Americans who wouldn't convert), but they'll sure as He!! blow your azz up!

I was under the impression that the Protestant/Catholic fighting in Ireland was a lot less frequent than it used to be. Christians in Africa i cannot speak for.

Pablo name three doctors murdered by Christians.

wlee - Drs. John Britton, Barnett Slepian, George Tiller, and David Gunn - (one extra for good measure). Fanatical actions are not limited to (and usually not excluded from) any particular group.

Rick, thanks I only remembered Tiller

Wlee,

I was at the Olympics in 1996 when that dooshbag christian terrorist bombed Olympic park. It scared the @!$%# out of me.

I live in NJ. I know people who died on 9-11. It scared the @!$%# out of me.

I see no difference between the two.

Evil is the source of all religion.

"not the comfy pillows!"

@just me- sorry, wrong again! there wasnt any christian help in 48, 57. 67, 73, 82..pull yer head out..also israel doesnt need the likes of you to protect them..trust me

Divemaster - sorry, wrong again. We didn't have feet on the ground in 48, 57, 67, 73 etc. but every weapon they used was a gift from the US Taxpayer. And Israel wouldn't continue to exist without American aid. We give them billions every year and have since the beginnning. I grant they are an amazing culture and are incredible fighters, but we've still got their backs in a very tangible way. And, if this was done by Israeli extremists, they are biting the hand that feeds them.

Divemaster - go to hell

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly
and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and
naval forces of Israel.

The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that
this was an American ship and lied about it.

Survivors have been forbidden for
40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public.

The USS
Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the
memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost
hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of
Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning.

USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance
aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar
and aircraft thereafter.

Sailing in international waters at less than five
knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to
anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact
us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were
wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence
platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

Bob, I remember that well. God help 'em if they ever pulled this kind of crap again. I'm still not sure why they were allowed to get away with murder, scott free, but you can bet your azz Americans would not stand for it again.

kat-1015719

Bob, I remember that well. God help 'em if they ever pulled this kind of crap again. I'm still not sure why they were allowed to get away with murder, scott free, but you can bet your azz Americans would not stand for it again.

Actually America takes such humiliation from Israel all the time, every day. Israel owns America...it is the final power in the US government. Even the President must do as told.

For example: Israel has a massive spy-net work in the US. And Zionists stole US naval secrets and codes and almost destroyed US Naval communications and operations for a while...massive costs were incurred by the US Navy to revamp and develop new communication systems and operations.

Zionists committed irredeemable treason when they took the atomic bomb secrets from the US and sold them to the Soviets for profit - that's how the Soviets build their firs nuclear weapon and reactor.

The ZioNazi Spy Network has its fingers in every single US operation and think tank. When ever a FBI or a CIA agent catches one of them they are fired, deployed elsewhere, or removed from the case. Now these agents dare not try too hard to catch a Israeli spy...even when they are working under their very noses.

Israel has sold US weapon designs to China, Russia, and India...it is a greed thing for them. Mammon is worshiped by the ZioNazi as pointed out and cursed by their angry and jealous G-d Yahweh in the Holy Torah.

These activities dare NOT be highlighted in the US media...or they will never find a job again. And at the highest echelon: The ZioNazi is the Overlord of the US President.

Wow! And all this time I thought that it was the Illuminati who were responsible for things like that! Silly me!

Hamzsque, honor killings really?

wlee-950886

Hamzsque, honor killings really?

Not really. How about pederasty, rape, murder, genocide, torture, Inquisition, adultery, infanticide, suicide, fratricide, matricide, homosexuality, fornication, incest...all in the back pews of the Triune Church - hypocrisy, the Pauline Flock way...

Are you saved yet...wlee?

LOL

Yeah, I often see atheists killing in the name of the lack of a god.

Pablo - Maybe not - but they certainly find plenty of other reasons to kill en-masse (Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, and the like as examples. Is killing someone for their religious beliefs any more "righteous" or acceptible simply because the killer has no religious beliefs of his own?

Is killing someone for their religious beliefs any more "righteous" or acceptible simply because the killer has no religious beliefs of his own?

Christians have killed in the name of their religion. Muslims have killed in the name of their religion. Even Jews have killed in the name of their religion.

Atheists have not.

That is why it annoys the crap out of us atheists when some douchebag Chrisian cites Pol Pot or Stalin (both of which were raised with religion) as an atheist murderer.

Those people did not kill because of atheism or religion. Muslims, Jews and Christians have.

Pablo - And still you have managed to avoid my question. What is the REAL difference between a religious person who murders others in the name of religion and a non-religious person who murders people in the name of something else? Your implication is that every person of religion is tainted by someone who happens to say "I'm killing these people in the name of my religion" (regardless of what others of that religion might have to say about it); yet for some reason, a non-believer is not to be in the smallest way associated with another non-believer who commits mass murder - as long as he doesn't say the magic phrase "I'm killing these people in the name of Atheism." Talk about double standards!

My assertion is that regardless of religious affiliation (or the lack thereof) - any excuse given for the murder - is just that - an excuse! It is an excuse to indulge our base human nature (the real REASON) - the same evolution based human nature that is possessed by believer and non-believer alike. To imply that the excuse for murder of one person is to be used as a blanket condemnation of all members who happen to share some type of affiliation with that person - while giving a pass to another group who share an affiliation with another murderer - a group to which you just so happen to belong - well, that's just hypocritical! The REASON for murder is the same - only the excuse is different. You can't pick and choose which ones YOU deign to hold responsible for what actions - either hold every group to the same standards or quit seeking to judge others while excusing yourself. Personally, I think that the actions of the murderer - either one - serves as a blanket condemnation of ALL humanity - period.

I find it funny that you are here equating being "raised with religion," with being a sure sign that the person was was not an Atheist. Oh, how different that tune is when I've seen religious people using that very same thing to suggest a person WAS religious (usually a highly educated person in a scientific field) - I've seen many an Atheist insist that that has nothing to do with what the person really believed.

Joseph Stalin: "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"

Prince Norodom Sihanouk (former king of Cambodia): "Pol Pot does not believe in God but he thinks that heaven, destiny, wants him to guide Cambodia in the way he thinks it the best for Cambodia, that is to say, the worst."

You may be right - that sounds like they are theists to me! /s - Gimme dat ol' time religion...

And personally - I don't give a flip how annoyed elitist "douchebag" Atheists get at the arguments presented by 'douchebag" Christians. (Such a description in no way represents my thoughts of Atheists in general since I don't believe that the majority of Atheists actually do think that they are better than anyone else - my Atheist relatives and acquaintances certainly do not).

wow! all these mofos jumping on 'blame the jew' abndwagon...when i see some cctv footage of a jew or israeli doing that, i'll believe it..

Would you DrivemasterH? I get the impression that if you were to see CCTV footage of an Israeli doing that you’d say “he’s not an Israeli he’s an Arab in disguise”

Los - question 4 should be "Was it a Jew or Israeli at all?" Is that the most likely scenario? Sure. But are there other possibilities that cant be discounted outright? Also... sure.

But are there other possibilities that cant be discounted outright?

Sure. Maybe it was done by Scientologists.

wow! all these mofos jumping on 'blame the jew' abndwagon...when i see some cctv footage of a jew or israeli doing that, i'll believe it.

A denier?

Archeim

Sure there are other possibilities but if the evidence at the scene points to settlers then chances are it was settlers, and so far the evidence presented says it was settlers, this is where question 3 comes in because I have to wonder that will we hear about the results of the investigation? Will MSNBC (or some other news network) print an article saying who was caught (regardless of who is caught?) and will they tell us what (if anything) their punishment was?

Los - The problem with the News (one of them) is they want to get the jump on whatever the scoop is that they dont wait to report until they have all the facts together. No, the news will most likely not follow this up with what really happened, as... they dont care. They put out their headline which is all most people will remember... meanwhile if they find out that it was members of some other faith, the retraction if any would be small to the point of almost being microscopic that no one would read, and the damage would be done.

As far as i know... the only proof at the scene is the message itself... unless we give off some Jewish Phermone that i wasnt aware of or something.

And yes... it probably was either a punk kid, or someone who doesnt realize that the media jumps on all of this to make us look bad.

Regardless... what a waste of time to do something like this.

@ frank: the sooner us jews cut you loose the better we will all be..

Pretty much, Frank. This isn't America's problem. Cut them off and let them fend for themselves. If they thrive, good for them. If they get overwrought by war, then it's just them having to sleep in the blood-soaked bed they've made for themselves. Anyone wanting to move to America from Israel at that point can go through INS like everybody else; if things are bad enough, they can probably even apply for refugee status. But if you don't want to be hated by your neighbors, don't try to ethnically cleanse the region you live in. We shouldn't waste and more American lives on this mistake.

Toasty, ethnically cleanse, I don't believe it was the Jews saying make them vanish from the pages of time. BTW do you know how many Arabs live in Israel. How long have you been a refugee?

You don't have to wipe a people out entirely to commit ethnic cleansing. Just in the area you control.

Those "anti-religious nuts" have a more developed morality than you do. When a person who doesn't believe in gods does something good, it's solely for the sake of doing good; the very definition of morality. When a religious person does it, it's to get a reward after death, which is the opposite of morality.

Wacky?

I'll give you wacky. Christian toddlers participating in a nightly ritual in which they are made to repeat aloud the possibility that could die in their sleep.

Now that is wacky. Not to mention extremely sick and perverted.

Toasty - Really? Since at least most Christians believe that going to heaven is based upon faith - NOT WORKS - such a blanket condemnation seems a little far-fetched to say the least. It's just as silly as making a declarative statement that since non-believers don't have a higher power to answer to - they don't do anything that isn't for personal gain.

Cassie - and you have it on good authority that EVERY Christian toddler does this? Pray tell, what authority is that? You want to talk about whacky? How about talking about the indoctrination of children in communist countries as well? Pol Pot's indoctrination of children to turn their parents in - to give up familial relationships for the collective? Sounds pretty "healthy" to me :/

Non-believer's mis-statements and misunderstandings of religion - be they willful or because of ignorance - are absolutely no different than the same mis-statements and misunderstandings that people of one religion make about people of another religion (or those of no religion).

Tell me again - how is it that non-believers are better than believers?

Rick, you are killing it today. Excellent post!

Also Jewish and i'd do the same.

"clean the walls" what about remove the walls that are creating all this hardship on the natives of the land. Then I will be impressed.

Well that's news! I didn't know that either Lenin or Stalin were Jewish!

Hey as far as I knew Stalin was training to be an orthodox monk, well before he joined the communists anyway

Actually Lenin was one quarter Jew, Stalin wasn't

wow joe- to think i have heard the most assinine @!$%# yet!

Maybe they are tired of being in the "Middle"

LOL Tyler.

Can't let anyone smear "all Jews," but the post just above your announcement is from a Jew referring to "some towlie."

I have yet to ever see you delete a post from someone ranting about camel-humpers or suggesting outright that every Muslim on earth should be murdered. Your own bias is crystal clear.

Cassie,wahhh, wahhh reread what you've posted. You can't smear all but the above poster said some. All and some mean two different things.......

wlee, work on that reading comprehension thing and then YOU re-read my post.

Paul's stance on Israel makes him unelectable in the GOP

Yes Jim you are right..paul doesnt meet with the all important "Israeli approval test

Right Max these evangelicals should all be raptured asap!