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Subscribe to RSSU.S. ambassador Robert Ford spoke to NBC's Andrea Mitchell about the government violence that's being blamed on terrorists.
The U.S. ambassador to Syria, Robert Ford, on Friday said he posted satellite imagery on Facebook to show proof of President Bashar al-Assad’s forces attacking residential neighborhoods.
Ford, speaking to NBC News from Paris days after the Feb. 6 closing of the U.S. Embassy in Damascus, said shelling by Syrian forces was “just horrific and we want that government violence to stop.”
Ford called Syrian government claims that terrorists are shelling Homs “ridiculous.” (The city sometimes is referred to as Hims in English.)
The commercial satellite image on Facebook, titled "Security Operations Escalate in Hims," is dated Feb. 6 and has labels pointing out burning buildings, smoke, impact craters, military vehicles and armored vehicles.
The western Syrian city of Homs, where opposition to Assad is strong, has endured a week of bombardments that have killed dozens of civilians and drawn condemnation from world leaders.
Photoblog: Satellite spots tanks near university housing complex in Homs
"I hear the devastating stories about newborns in Homs dying in hospitals where electricity has been cut and when we see disturbing photos offering proof that the regime is using mortars and artillery against residential neighborhoods, all of us become even more concerned about the tragic outcome for Syrian civilians," Ambassador Robert Ford wrote in a note accompanying the satellite image on Facebook.
He also appeared to take a veiled dig at Russia, which on Saturday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution on Syria. Diplomats said one Russian objection was a belief that the resolution disproportionately blamed Syria's government for the violence.
"It is odd to me that anyone would try to equate the actions of the Syrian army and armed opposition groups since the Syrian government consistently initiates the attacks on civilian areas, and it is using its heaviest weapons," Ford wrote.
He also called Feb. 6 "the most emotionally taxing day of my career as a Foreign Service Officer."
"I left Damascus with immense sadness and regret -- I wish our departure had not been necessary, but our Embassy, along with several other diplomatic missions in the area, was not sufficiently protected, given the new security concerns in the capital," he wrote.
The State Department also posted images of Syrian military artillery supporting government operations around several cities, including Homs.
Also Friday, satellite image provider DigitalGlobe Inc. released photos that appear to show Syrian army tanks and other armored vehicles in the city of Homs.
DigitalGlobe said the images were taken late Friday morning Syrian time by the company's WorldView 2 satellite from about 480 miles above the Earth.
Stephen Wood, director of DigitalGlobe's analysis center, said the photos show tanks, armored personnel carriers and other armored vehicles in the southern part of the city, some of them near apartment buildings.
The satellite images show an increase in the level of army activity in and around Homs from the previous 24 hours, Wood said.
Wood said no battle damage was visible in the photos taken Friday, but previous images captured by the company's satellites did show the effects of fighting.
Homs looks deserted, with very few cars on the streets in the satellite photos, he said.
DigitalGlobe company has been gathering satellite photos of Syria since mid-2011, he said.
Also in Syria:
Bombs: Two suicide bombers attacked security compounds in the Syrian city of Aleppo, killing 28 people, according to Syrian government officials. Troops and security forces fired on anti-regime protesters as they left mosques after Friday prayers nationwide.
Anti-Assad activists denied any involvement and accused the regime of setting off the blasts to smear the opposition as government forces pummel rebels in one of their main strongholds, Homs. State media touted the bombings as proof the regime faces a campaign by terrorists, not a popular uprising.
However, McClatchy News cited U.S. official blaming an Iraqi al-Qaida branch for the blasts to exploit the situation. The officials quoted by McClatchy cited U.S. intelligence reports, which appear to verify Assad's charges of al Qaida involvement in the 11-month uprising against his rule.
Photoblog: Explosions hit security HQs in Aleppo, Syria
Exit strategy: The Obama administration says it is seeing growing signs that the Syrian elite, including people close to Assad, are increasingly worried and beginning to prepare exit plans.
Two U.S. officials said Friday that one Assad family member has moved large amounts of money out of the country to avoid U.S. and other sanctions on the country and provide a nest egg for a life in exile. Similarly, a senior member of Assad's national security circle has very recently left the country and appears to have settled abroad, they said.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss classified intelligence. They would not identify either the family member or the official or give specifics about the money transfer or the apparent defection. But the examples they cited suggest a new level of planning and worry among the senior regime.
In response to a question about whether the wealthy were fleeing the regime, the State Department said it had information that elite Syrians were looking for help from the opposition Syrian National Council in getting cash and relatives out of the country.
"We are beginning to see this trend accelerate," spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters.
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Not surprising that US intelligence confirmed Al Qaeda is in Syria. If people don't want to be shelled they should run the terrorist out.
Totally agree. Freedom is nothing if it is not worth fighting for yourself.
The Devil-1138528
You were writing about NDAA the other day right?
FEBRUARY 11-12, 2012
“Or Your Lying Eyes…” Truth and Fiction in the News Business
by ALEXANDER COCKBURN
If you want a sense of what could well lie in store for Syria, go no further than Anthony Shadid’s report from Libya in the New York Times for February 9. Shadid, a good reporter, describes a dismembered country, rent by banditry:
“The militias are proving to be the scourge of the revolution’s aftermath. Though they have dismantled most of their checkpoints in the capital, they remain a force, here and elsewhere. A Human Rights Watch researcher estimated there are 250 separate militias in the coastal city of Misurata, the scene of perhaps the fiercest battle of the revolution. In recent months those militias have become the most loathed in the country.”
One martial enterprise of some of these Misuratan militias is to attack a refugee camp of 1,500 people they had previously driven from their homes in Tawergha on the grounds they had supported Qaddafy. Other militias from Benghazi and Zintan are trying to protect these refugees.
“‘Nobody holds back the Misuratans,’ said Jumaa Ageela, an elder there. Bashir Brebesh said the same was true for the militias in Tripoli. On Jan. 19, his 62-year-old father, Omar, a former Libyan diplomat in Paris, was called in for questioning by militiamen from Zintan. The next day, the family found his body at a hospital in Zintan. His nose was broken, as were his ribs. The nails had been pulled from his toes, they said. His skull was fractured, and his body bore signs of burns from cigarettes.
“They’re putting themselves as the policeman, as the judge and as the executioner,’ said Mr. Brebesh, 32, a neurology resident in Canada, who came home after learning of his father’s death. He inhaled deeply. ‘Did they not have enough dignity to just shoot him in the head?’ he asked. ‘It’s so monstrous. Did they enjoy hearing him scream?’
“The government has acknowledged the torture and detentions, but it admits that the police and Justice Ministry are not up to the task of stopping them. On Tuesday, it sent out a text message on cellphones, pleading for the militias to stop.
“‘People are turning up dead in detention at an alarming rate,’ said Peter Bouckaert, the emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, who was compiling evidence in Libya last month. “If this was happening under any Arab dictatorship, there would be an outcry.’”
It looks as though Syria might well be heading into civil war of a probable brutality and level of bloodshed far beyond what is transpiring in Libya – as veterans of Lebanon’s civil wars can attest….
http://www.counterpunch.org/
"Al Qaeda" will always be wherever the CIA needs it to be. Strange, isn't it?
Like they just said, she has become immediately corrupted
Maybe we should just send the drooling moron neo-cons into Syria armed with pocketknives, they are so want kill.
You can tell mainstream media horny for war.
Im just glad the Russians think everything is fine and keep vetoing resolutions. *sarcasm* The Russians and the Chinese love to make people suffer IMO.
I'm sure the Russians and Chinese saw what a smoking pile of terrorist dung Libya was turned into by 'The Rebels'. What great saviors those genocidal maniacs turned out to be.
Our own media seems content to ignore it for whatever reason.
I don't doubt 5,000 civilians have been slaughtered in Libya in the last 3 months.
Yes in Syria we are now having a full blown Islamic civil war, alawite,sunni and shia muslims, and the christian minority that has been shielded from Islamic atrocities for many years by the Assad regime is in grave danger if the Islamic extremists prevail. Beyond wishing them well I do not believe the USA should ''militarize Syria" what a dumb ass idea by the US State dept!
Run Al-Qaeda out? If it were that simple I'm sure they would. How naive to think that these insane terrorists can be forced to do anything. Assads family members are preparing for a life in exile but they won't live in peace. The world court should hunt them down and charge them with crimes against humanity.
That would be like telling us to run the president out, for the average people here. Tell that to the kids dying in the streets and painting the ground red.
I'm not saying we should start a war over there, but my god..someone has to stop all the innocents from dying. Can't we just shell some tanks and stuff? I'm not a politician or even giving a damn about who is right or wrong. This is just sickening bloodshed.
@morphinecarnival-zj: Are you on morphine? You aren't making sense, but that's probably your intention. Just say what you mean.
Can someone tell me why we hear about this story everyday and not our own neighbor Mexico where people die everyday, more on occasion..The drug cartels control Mexico and kill cops women and children who ever gets in the way of their bullets and bombs. Our country feels the wrath of this violence its been leaching into our country for decades, yet our news jockeys bring up Syria's mess everyday.
Impish Lisa-
So, end the bloodshed with more bloodshed?
AtlasWillShrug...I'm intrigued. Is there some magic wand that will stop Assad that you can suggest? The Syrian people believe the outside world is too wrapped up in self-importance to care how many more innocent civilians, men, women and children, die to keep power in one man's hands.
What I don't understand is how any of Assad's thugs and henchmen can possibly want to create a bloodbath from their own. That is a sickening lesson on human lack of civility. Even animals don't kill their own.
Devil: There is no 'Al-Qaeda' involvement in Syria! It is the Assad regime that kills its own people to wipe out the 'Arab Spring' revolutionary spirit. THAT IS THE TRUTH! The Russian and Chinese back Assad for strictly political and economic reasons! And we just watch comfortably numbed by lousy beer and too much junk food the systematic killing of the opposition and innocent people in Syria farting off ignorant and false claims like yours... Ambassador Ford tells the truth.
ah question.
Wouldn't intelligence satellite pictures usually classified material and subjected to the laws and restrictions of such material? Isn't his releasing the material on Facebook potentially a treasonous act?
There's NO al Quaeda involvement in Syria. None. Uh huh. Yeah. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
We're supposed to just take you and Ford at your word, and just go in there. Sure. Watch us.
If al-Qaeda is in Syria, let the Syrian government take them out! That would be a win win for us.
What bothers me the most is not that they are in the middle of a civil war, which is sad, but the fact that the bleeding hearts in the US will feel so sorry for the people that we will start importing them in droves not knowing what we are importing. Then they will spread like ghosts in the US.
I think this is the true failure of our foreign policy. Protecting interests all over the world, and at the same time leaving our back door open to people who really don't like us.
Assad is Reaping what he sowed by allowing his border with Iraq to be used as a stepping stone for Al-Quida & weapons to be moved across the Syrian border, when Chicken George/ Darth Cheney had our Troops playing in the SandBox of Iraq.
Let Assad Fall & Iran will be Isolated further than they are already. Hezzbollah & Hamas will lose there financing when that happens, & Not until then!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
Another example of big government against "wee the people"!
Morph-
Santorum looks just like Assad (look at ta comparison of the two). And they are both religious zellots. Is this what we want as our president??????
If there is oil.....better believe that the US gov't will say whatever it takes to go to war and "nicely protect" (steal) the oil.......How do they do this? By claiming that AlQeada is there, or by sying that they are a threat to us!
For example....Israel has said tha Iran is NOT a threat to them or us! But we dont want to listen to Israel, unless that are promoting war....then we jump in and and agree.
Jeremy, Utah
I don't like that Santorum is a religious extremist. What bothers me more is his foreign policy. In the last debate, he said that he would use our military in Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, Columbia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba, and China.
That is just scary!
If you think things will be better in Syria without Asaad you should look at what's happened in Libya.
They are degenerating into a violent anarchy with armed gangs killing and detaining people and running whole cities.
Of course Israel is fine with this situation but it will just make many more people in the Middle East who hate our guts and want to kill us.
We are manufacturing more terrorists.
Let's not forget how long the power was out in Iraq after we occupied that country. Despite the media pro-war propaganda, a military strike by the West will not make things better for the Syrian people. This is not our fight!
utterly ignorant comment, if assad falls, then Iran will put their own puppet in place, assad is just currently their buddy, if he goes, the new "boss" will be nothing but an Iranian stooge
Going back over news reports and this is almost a picture of the Shaws and CIAs last days in Iran
Hello folks, we have major issues in our country that need immediate attention .When are we going to leave other countries alone? Our country is broke and we are interfering with other countries when we have plenty of problems we need to fix and take care of in America first! If we don’t recognize and categorize our problems, how are we going to know what it is that needs fixing? I hope we can come together as a nation and figure out the solutions to our problems.
We allow a foreign entity (Federal Reserve, neither federal nor a reserve, a group of mostly European banksters) to control our currency! This system is why you, I, economies and nations are debt slaves!
We let Wall Street run our government! Wall Street is Washington and Washington is Wall Street! We have a two headed one party system serving their masters Wall Street and the Federal Reserve!
Our presidential politicians in both parties are going to spend approximately 1 billion dollars each on their campaigns this year, yet we are laying off fire fighters, teachers and policemen. Two billion dollars on presidential campaigns, is that insane or what? Then, we allow the Super Pac’s with little regulation and full anonymity to influence our American elections through the sheer volume of money that will most likely be used for negative advertising!
Our congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists and are involved with insider trading, doing the bidding for those who put the most money in their pockets! They get rich while we the “freeloaders” get cuts to Medicare and Social Security all the while they receive a tax payer salary and health benefits for life for themselves and their family compliments of the “freeloaders”.
We've legalized Corporations (Citizen's United) as people! They can now buy any election they want to, from sheriff to president! They don't even have to be American corporations! Corporations have severed their moral contract with America. It used to be you worked hard and helped them gain success and you shared in their success through better wages and benefits, all you get now is a pink slip.
The BP Corporation will likely not be charged with any criminal malfeasance in the largest natural disaster in history. The oil leak continues to flow and there are reports Corexit is still being used without any oversight by the U.S.. Many scientists claim the gulf loop current has been broken as a result of the leak. If you want evidence of the leak just talk to the residents and oil spill workers living along the gulf from Texas to Florida.
We invade a different country every year! Killing and displacing millions of people and spending trillions of dollars to enrich the Oil, Banking, and Corporate cartels!
The Census Department of the American Federal Government recently reported that “50% of the nation’s population were living below the poverty line”.
50 million people can't go to a doctor because they don't have health care!
47 million people need food stamps just to feed themselves!
25 million people are unemployed or underemployed!
15 million people's mortgages are worth more than their homes!
Our national debt is going on 17 trillion dollars! We pay off our debt with more debt! That is like putting gas on the fire! They tell the U.S. citizens it is their fault because they don't live within their means! They fail to mention it has everything to do with corrupt business and political leaders and the Federal Reserve and their fractional reserve banking system!
The worlds GDP is 65 trillion and the derivatives market is estimated at 1.4 quadrillion. If Greece defaults at 100% and If the ISDA (International Swaps and Derivative Association) labels this credit event a default, our 5 largest banks who own 97% of world’s derivatives will crash. They can’t pay on the credit default swaps owed associated with Greece! But that’s ok, we’ll bail them out again! You know their motto, privatize profits and socialize losses! QE3 has already started with the currency swaps.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac the flagships of our housing bubble that has burst! The housing market used to be what was fueling the middle class as manufacturing was being outsourced to foreign countries, it got over leveraged like our banks and stock markets and there is no resolution in site! The mortgage settlement just signed is just another small fine and in reality a bailout for the banks for what they are truly liable for.
They tell us social safety nets, Medicare and, Social Security that you and I paid into is Socialism when the largest recipients of social welfare in the history of the world are our “Capitalist, Free Market” banking and financial institutions! Remember the bailouts? We keep bailing out the banks to the tune of tens of trillions and we're told it's because they are too big to fail and all the while we allow them to get bigger! We are witnessing the biggest bank robbery in history and the banks and financial institutions are doing the robbing!
Our media (presstitutes) are bought and paid for by corporations and treat us like mushrooms! Reuters and the Associated Press try to tell us what to believe and think, such as unemployment is at 8.3% and falling, war is peace, they hate us for our freedom, the terrorists are out to get you, the economy is great, borrow and spend! etc…
Our constitution, our most sacred document as a country is meaningless!
We have lost most of our civil liberties through the passage of the Patriot Act and National Defense and Authorization Act! They have authorized the use of spy drones in American skies! You can be surveilled by any number of Federal agencies, have your phone and computer tapped, bank, medical, and private records accessed! You can be arrested without gaining access to an attorney or a trial. We are molested at the airports or radiated for “security” etc…!
NYPD’s aggressive street policing program, called “stop-and-frisk,” which predominantly targets low-income minority neighborhoods. In 2011, the program stopped and searched more than 500,000 New Yorkers, 85 percent of them black or Latino. This program is moving to a city near you!
We have created another cartel the “Prison Industrial Complex”! We have outsourced our incarceration of United States citizens which consists of over 6 million prisoners! This exceeds the number of prisoners held in the gulags of the former Soviet Union at any point in history! All objectivity of prison reform has flown out the window in exchange for profits! No prisoners no profits! Are there prison lobbyists? You bet and loaded with cash compliments of you and me!
The Military Industrial Complex is King, our defense budget is larger than the rest of the world’s combined! We are the enforcement arm of all the world’s cartels! The policeman of the world! In our countries short history we have bombed over 60 different countries! The outsourcing of our security to private military companies like XE (formerly Blackwater) is increasing dramatically!
The phony war on drugs! While our military protect the poppy seed fields in Afghanistan, Wells Fargo has been caught laundering money for the drug cartels in the United States (look it up). The use of drugs in the health care industry is over a 100 billion dollar a year scam. There's no profit in the cure only in the treatment. You are not allowed to buy the same manufactured prescription drugs from other countries at a cheaper price because the drug lobby has had congress pass laws against it to protect their profits.
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john-737278
Totally agree. Freedom is nothing if it is not worth fighting for yourself.
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Why should they fight and die for THEIR freedom when they know damn well the American pols are more than willing to let American men and women die for THEIR freedom. What an awesome concept. You get the best of both worlds. Freedom and life.
It is well past the time for America to stop believing we are the world's policemen.
For everyone that thinks this a civil war please look up Rwanda it was a civil war too right? When you have bigger guns than the other person its not civil war. Yes we had a civil war and no one had tanks and jets and BIGA$$BOMBS. Civil war times are over. Every country has a dominant government. If you fight your government you are going to get genocidied plan and simple. Should we help these people I am not sure. I swear to god i saw three of four of them burning the American flag and spitting on pictures of OBAMA. Soon as we remove Assad they are going to for all about that we are here to help and start planting IEDSAND@!$%#. If we go we do it all the way we can not let Russia and China and IRAN take control over a country that we fought for again. If we stay here than we are not standing up for American values FREEDOM from genocide.
After 9/11 the citizens of Syria were dancing in the streets of Damacus in celebration, Syrians were responsible for the bombing of 2 US Embassy's in Africa, played a role in the bombing of the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut and are solely responsible for the wholesale slaughter of the DRUID, CHRISTIAN and moderate MUSLIN political and military leadership of Lebanon. Include 3 Wars and attempted invasions of Israel and I think the world in total don't find it particularly bad idea for Syrians to slaughter Syrians.
Hmm spitting on a picture of Obama hmm we do that here!!
Let them kill each other. They are Just a bunch of uncivilized 8th century muslims. Less for us to worry about. Remember how they love to kill Jews. Let them kill each other. All right you progressive socialist America haters. Where am I wrong?
Where are you wrong? Do you know what a "sociopath" is?
You're wrong in not knowing that we are all decendants from Africa. That Jew stuff was made up thousands of years later after we started looking different. I agree though that we should not intervene. It's England who conquered and divided a lot of nations over the past 500 years.
@Paul from MN
You ARE American, right? You do recall WE had a civil war in this country too, right?
Civil wars aren't good, but they happen.
And what does that have to do with hating Muslims or Jews?
Yes, and you take too many drugs and smoke too much crack cocaine.
Muslims love to kill Jews? And I suppose it was Muslims that killed 6 million Jews during WW2, right? Oh yes, they were in disguise. If memory serves me correctly, good 'Christians' killed Jews on their way during the First Crusade.
I must assume that you are either stupid, uneducated, or both.
really... PaulfromNM, are you serious...your the uncivilized sociopath posting ignorant comments...do us all a favor and SHUTUP...or please get an education first...then speak...
@Paul from NM: This article is meant to get the bleeding hearts on board for our next military outing. The USA is not the world's policemen. We don't belong in the Middle East (not even Israel). Let them work it themselves.
People are accusing you of being a sociopath... I didn't hear you take great delight in killing them, or any hint of violence... You simply stated your opinion (which is the one thing that we mustn't do now - disagree out loud.) I not believe that we belong in everyone else's civil matters. The first posted replies to your suggestion are certainly MSN patsies, bought-and-paid-for trolls, or just silly bleeding hearts. Then "the community" collapsed your comment?! So much for any opposition...
People - Pay attention. The right to keep and bear arms was always meant to protect the population from our own government (silly, old dead white men knew this when they wrote the Constitution.) If that crap were to start here, it wouldn't be free. Why do you think the government wants to disarm us? Our government isn't here to protect us anymore, only to subjugate and control (like they want to do with every other country.)
Arielle: Thank you. You evidently know more than the antiAmerican progressives who think they know what a sociopath is. It is like most of the things they think they know. They don't. I was in Vietnam. I know nation building does not work the way we do it today. Germany and Japan begged for peace because we over powered them totally. We either do that or let them have at it. Like I said. Not our business. And Syrians do hate Jews. It is also a stretch calling Nazis or Commies Christians. They are Socialists. Kind of like progressive democrats.
I wish our president had the balls to do something about this slaughter. This reminds me of when Clinton stood around doing nothing while close to a million people in the Rwandan genocide.
I'm glad he has the balls to not interfere. Better the evil you know than the evil you don't. Replace a bad dude with a far worse group.
The USA is not police for the world. That's a job for the United Nations. If the UN vote without veto to stop it, it will be over. Are you going to pay for the billions if the US get involved? U annoy me.
Boom that is an ignorant view point. I would rather take a possible evil that I do not know over one that is slaughtering people just to keep his grip on his power. Tyranny is never a position ANYONE should be backing or supporting, no matter the circumstances. And I mean real tyranny like we see here in Syria, not something like politicians in America assailing one side's, either of the three major parties, view of how Government should be run; that is a difference of opinion not tyranny. Most Americans have no idea what true modern tyranny looks or feels like; case in point TJP77's comparison to the way a magazine is run below.
Our president is busy taking notes on how to do the same to us!
They have been shelling residential neighborhoods in Lebanon for 20 years attacking Israel thru Lebanon nobody seemed to care about that
Let the middle east countries stop war and pursue peace. If God willing.
Jorge, then by your logic we should invade Iraq again, since more people died there than in Syria the last 12 months.
No one is stopping you from going to attack Syria.
Don't let the door hit yer a$$ on the way out, and do remember we ain't payin squat for your trip.
Don't criticize the U.S. for not getting involved. We have our own problems here at home to care of first.
Besides, if the same thing happened here, our military would be out in force, and they wouldn't think twice about killing. Remember Kent State in Ohio in 1970, where unarmed students were shot and killed by the National Guard for protesting the Vietnam war? Assad is doing to the Syrian rebels exactly what our government would do to us under similar circumstances. We may not like it, but frankly, it's not our concern. We can't afford to be the cops of the world anymore.
We need to stay out of it. Is it hard to do? Yes! But if we interfere, we will be hated. If we get involved, we will be hated. If we send aid, and there is no way we can send enough, we will be hated.
So I hope you get the point, no mater what we do, we will be hated! We are hated when we help, we are hated if we don't! At least if we do nothing, then Americans won't die for a already lost cause.
Jorge, that is the position of a coward.
What you say Mike is 100% true. Now the Muslims hate the US because they hate Israel, who we support, but we have sent more money and aid to that area, and done more commerce, than the rest of the world 10 times over. They hate us even more. You'll notice the Muslims don't go after China and Russia. They know that these countries would come in, lay waste and leave. No rebuilding help from them. It's time the US takes a lesson. Time to take care of our own and let the animals of that region evolve into humans. It's going to take a long time as they are 10-15 centuries behind everyone else. We can't make them civilized, as long as Islam is running their world they will suffer and they will be a cancer on the rest of Society. Anyone who can't admit the connection between Islam and most of the suffering in the world is either a liar or plain stupid.
Treblee is right..., the USA isn't the cop of the world. Everyone should either arm themselves and fight for their own freedom, or look towards the UN. Even if the Marines went in and saved everyone, they would hate us the millisecond they were safe. We haven't recovered from the Iraq thing - financially and through all the human loss. Let's just stay home and try to fix the immense problems over here.
@Ifear"my own shadow"
If such were true, all the tin-foil lined, pointed white hat wearing, budweiser guzzling plastic sheet and duct tape home securing nutjobs would already be done.
Stop whining and do something for your country.
Not OUR Problem!!!! Stay out of it!!!!!
A country should get involved in the affairs of another country for only two reason. Those being strategic or imperialistic reason. That is to say, a country to attack/invade another country when that country believes there is a legitimate strategic concern to them or when there is a desire to own or take over that country. It is a major sign of hubris for a people to attack/invade a country for humanitarian or ideological reasons. It is stating to everyone that the attacking country has a moralistic belief that they know what is better for everyone.
Unless/Until someone can show a major strategic need for attack Syria, why should we be concern for them? That is harsh I know, but is still fundamental question. Have the petition to become the 51 state of our sovereign nation? Do they have some resource that we drastically desire and need to continue our way of life? Is there some key base or land that is needed to support us or prevent others from hurting us? If we cannot find an answer to us, then why do we think that our beliefs and way of life is so much better that we must put it on others by force?
I do not know about all this. I hear so many people who put down neo-cons for their militaristic trends to attack people. But the current Administration, which Ambassador Ford is a major part of, is part of a progressive political stance. It seems to me that neo-cons tend to be militaristic for the desire to take resources or on a perceived threat and tend to denigrate those actions based on moralistic ideals only. Progressive tend to be militaristic for the desire to push their way of life on others and tend to denigrate those actions based on the desire to possess things. Which is better? I do not know.
Boom
Too bad he didnt' have enough sense to stay out of Libiya and keep his mouth out of the other uprisings in the Middle East. Now we have a completely unstable region with who the heck knows who is in charge. ANyone who sees this as an improvement would probably also be convinced Obama's election wasn't the worst thing that could have happened to our country at this time in history. We need a leader who has a clue about something other than Community Organizing. He even admitted his "paycheck" when he was an organizer came from a Catholic Charity yet look at what he did to them, even with the uproar and his back peddling that isn't over. We need someone who hasn't spent his life robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The basic essence of neoconservatism is their principle by which they all live: The rest of us are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Some ideology that one is.
Here it comes another money pit for our government to funnel billions of dollars into that could better be used right at home.
ewent
But that is the question, Ewent, isn't it? If the opposite of Neo-Consservatism is Progressivism, would their philosophy be that of:
Which is better reason to go to war: I need to obtain a better source of a rare resource OR the belief that ones way of life is the best and must be forced on others?
Hello folks, when will we discard our Imperialistic mindset? If you can't see that we are the instigators in most of the world's wars and displacement of millions of people who are fleeing our aggression, than you are in denial and are not paying attention. We need to stay out of other country’s civil disputes. I hope we aren’t going to go against the United Nations vote earlier this week and unilaterally go into Syria under the pretext that we need to stop the violence like we did in Libya. General Wesley Clark has stated that a Syria invasion has been pre-planned for quite awhile.
Friday, March 25, 2011
General Wesley Clark: "America will take out 7 countries in 5 years"
According to Former NATO supreme allied commander, former presidential candidate and 4 star US General Wesley Clark that they had received a memo that America is going to take out 7 countries in the Middle East in 5 years starting with Iraq, Libya, Syria Lebanon Sudan and Somalia, seeing what's going on today in Libya but also in Syria where violent protest just erupted, it is amazing how these things that were planned years ago are being achieved in front of our eyes.
Why is it other countries feel like they have to defend their territory? Could it be that they know we have no problem invading their sovereignty just as we have done to countless other countries. Since World War II, 90% of the casualties of war are unarmed civilians. 1/3 of them children. Our victims have done nothing to us. From Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq to Somalia to wherever our next target may be, their murders are not collateral damage, they are the nature of modern warfare. They don't hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so-called "war on terror" is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of western Asia.
This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the terrorists. In these times, remaining silent on our responsibility to the world and its future is criminal. And in light of our complicity in the supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan, and ongoing violations of the U.N. Charter in International Law, how dare any American criticize the actions of legitimate resistance to illegal occupation.
We are going into Syria for a couple of reasons, one, we are trying to dislodge Russia from there because they have a foothold in the Middle East via two military bases in Latakia and Tartus in Syria. Two, Syria is a strong ally of Iran. If we invade Syria we take out a strong ally and maybe incite Iran to assist giving the U.S. the reason they are looking for to attack Iran. The ultimate goal is to surround, weaken and to invade Iran. The petro dollar is at stake as other countries are switching to other forms of currency in buying Iran’s oil.
Since the Russian war in 1828, Iran has never attacked another country. We on the other hand have attacked to name a few:
Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Haiti, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Angola, Mozambique, Honduras, Chile, Congo, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Columbia, Peru, Panama, Yemen, Pakistan, Grenada, Mexico, etc..
Wake up people we are being herded down the Military Industrial Complex gauntlet again to another false war to enrich the greedy Corporations and distract the American people. Did we not learn anything from the Iraq war where we have killed well over 1 million Iraqi people, lost thousands of American lives and God knows how many hundreds of billions of dollars?
Who do you support, humanity or the greedy elite?
Many of our soldiers don't fight for America, they fight for their lives and their buddies beside them, because we put them in a war zone. They're not defending our freedoms, they're laying the foundation for permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum.
Face it we're Imperialists pure and simple. The elite look down on all of us as expendable chattel.
"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" Henry Kissinger
I’m not asking you to hate war but to love peace. War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!
Its just amazing how someone can take talking points from every antiUSA site and summarize them so well. You get a F for plagiarism. However you have some truths in your statement. Don't go to far to the dark side obama may eat your brain......
And where is Assad's cosmopolitan British wife in all this? The one that's in Vogue and Vanity Fair and that Barbara Walters says is so lovely and wonderful? Hmmm?
Funny how we don't hear anyone asking questions about her, just like we didn't hear anyone questioning why a British woman would marry an oppressive dictator when they first got married.
Hopefully she hangs right next to him when this is all over.
Asma Al Assad is the Marie Antionette of the 21st century. Or is she Syria's Madame Nu? Or Imelda Marcos? or Michelle Duvalier?
I am not surpirsed she was put in Vogue. That Magazine is run by a woman whose tyrannical management of the magazine makes the regimes of Sekou Tourre of Guinea and Mengistu Haile Mariam of Ethiopia look like a couple of boy scouts. The only reason there is not bloodshed in Vogue is that Conde Nast does not let her have weapons.
Goes to show you beauty can be only skin deep on some people.
mm good point
She is kind of hot though.
It's all about the money, stupid!
And power, control and enslavement.
Send in the US military.
No. No more US lasses and lads killed for that wretched area of the world. Enough is enough. Why do we need to spill our blood for them? We replace one dictator, and we are cool for a day. The day following it is, 'Death to the Great Satan'!
And have another iraq??? And also waste another trillion taxpayer dollars which includes american lives??? I don't think so let the syrians solve their own problems.
Any involvement in Libya is grounds for the impeachment process.
He should have been impeached for Libya.
Any individual that wants to help in Syria, can feel free to go there using his time , money and life, leave ours alone
Just a few little missiles maybe, off a small boat?
wallacehall
The Congress and the President should be tried for "abuse of authority" and "perjury of oath" for NDAA.
I agree more with John then I do with you walla. the NDA is WAY more offensive to our rights then Libya was. And guess that, Congress was FOR going into Libya but then, after Obama drummed up support in the UN for it, change their minds; they flip flopped on it and the Republican's tried to spin it as Obama going over their heads.
Congress should be held to their first vote on a subject unless there are clear cut grounds for why a second vote should be held; no more do overs.
Don't send our military. At most, send in food, water, and medical supplies. We can also strongly encourage the arab/muslin world to insist the Assad regime leaves and encourage everyone to embargo as much as possible.
Before the devastating results of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, I would've urged more than aid and diplomacy for Syria, but I'm so tired our paying and dying for other peoples' problems. We really need to help ourselves more than others.
And have them do what exactly? A small unit who in some Bin Laden like assault kills Assad and then under the cover of darkness slips away leaving...hmmmmmmmm, most likely someone in the military in charge? Hard to see that as an improvement. Or are you thinking of a full scale invasion, well that'll take a few months to do and then work on nation building for several years? The last two didn't quite work out as planned and I suspect our military isn't quite prepared to do another. Or perhaps just use the Air Force and missiles to destroy Assad's army and then let the country fall further into civil war.
This is one of those cases where there are no good choices, and the aftermath of any intervention is bound to be even uglier (for some stretch of time) then the current situation. In much of the mid-east as in Africa what we think of as a normal sense of patriotism tends not to exist. Many of these societies are based on a loyalty system where tribes, religious affiliation supersede loyalty to the country they live in. Many of those countries have only existed since the end of WW 1 or later in the case of Africa and their boundaries were drawn by politicians and map makers who intentionally drew them in a way to prevent there being an underlying unity amongst the people who live in them.
@tom111
You go and fight their war if you want to. Leave our Sons and Daughters at home where they belong to defend THIS country and not fight their war. It's time our Government learns that WE ARE NOT THE WORLDS POLICE FORCE..........................
Somehow this doesn't surprise me...lulz
Could be fire from Obama drones?
@Ifear"my own shadow"
If such were true, all the tin-foil lined, pointed white hat wearing, budweiser guzzling plastic sheet and duct tape home securing nutjobs would already be done.
Stop whining and do something for your country.
By the mere presence of our super strong military, we are asked to right this wrong.
If we weren't the toughest country on earth, people would stop asking us to take care of their bullies.
tom111 "Send the US military"? Are you retarded or what? Just let them blow themselves up!
We don't need to send our guys to a new part of the sand box. Where they all hate America anyway.
Good Christ think before you post!
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Good Mohammed think before you post!
Sad, but the rebels seem to use the same methods that their brethren do elsewhere, that of fighting from buildings with civilians all around.
I hate to see innocents killed, but in reality, the bugger Assad did keep a lid on things, as most of the dictators in the area do.
I am worried that if Assad is run out, his regime will be replaced with crazy religious nuts, and no one can predict what they will do. Sharia law and worse will be the norm. The more secular the Islamic regime, the better, in terms of how they interact with the rest of the non Islamic world.
While I agree with you in general, if a country is Islamic and the people want Sharia law to be the law of the land then that's their right. There is no reason any country cannot implement it and still get on well with the rest of the world. The conflict comes in when a regime becomes so harsh that the people are suppressed beyond what the people want and it feels oppresive to them.
Many religions want their religious tenants to be the 'law of the land'. Even here where we have so many protections we constantly argue over Christianity and those who would love to have more of it's beliefs to have more influence,
The problem is not Sharia law, it's how it's implemented and if the people accept it. What we would accept is not the same as what their population will accept. I know, we find it barbaric, but religious beliefs are strong and it takes time for a population to separate religious law and secular law. We've been trying to do it for over 200 years and still have to work on it.
Let them fight this out themselves. We have no business interfering unless/until it spills over into a country that asks for assistance. Let the Arab League call the shots. Time we learned we can't force our type of democracy on others. Each culture must find their own way.
Sorta like the crazy religious nuts here?
Yes. After all look what Christian Sharia law is turning the US into.
Attack on Americans by our politicians horrific, Syria save us.
Now that was funny!
This is why they hate us. We go and fight for oil, but not help them? Blowback?
Don't get me wrong, I think we should come home. Our foreign policy is simply hypocritical.
Great ..... multi-billion dollar technology has confirmed intelligence that could have been obtained by a phone call.
America should help.
And the very first two strikes on Syria should be the Russian and Chinese embassies.
China will just add it to the bill.
Yeah start a nuclear holocaust with Russia & China.
Now there's a dimwitted idea.
Not dimwitted.
Give them eviction time.
Then an "errant strike" will solve the problem.
Who cares! We are not a on-call militia for every wanna-be uprising in the world. Fight the fight yourself.
Oh, but we are. We have people, who have people, who have people, who can figure out how a finite few can profit from this.
Yea, we got one brewing here at home! When are somebody's troops gonna come liberate us?
I harken the good citizens here at home to the call of liberation !!
No more politicians and lawyers in public office !!! 8-)
By today's standards our founding fathers would be terrorists. NDDA is a very slippery slope and gives the government authority to round up true patriots. Disagreeing with the government can cost you your liberty. The checks and balances of our constitution have been lost.
This is earily reminiscent of Clinton's era in Balkans. There was Markale market "massacre", then bread line "masacre', all commited by our allies, Izebegovic, as most foreign observers and negotiators at the time confirmed. But both were done one day before NATO meetings, to insure "favorable" decision in their favor, that is, intervention. Then we had the Rachak "massacre' in Kosovo, another entirely staged event. Then we had "satelite" proof of mass graves of Srebrenica, that never were found, while the "satelite" photo UN will not release to anyone. Enough already. Some are ITCHING for intervention, and miliary-industrial complex is already counting the money. This BOMBING was done by the armed thugs, not any popular insurgency. And since there are COMPETING armed thugs, which one of them would be favor. At first, THEY CLAIMED THE RESPONSIBILITY. When they saw massive disguist by the population, they CHANGED THE TUNE, and said "GOVERNMENT DID IT". Why claim the responsibility in the first place? Government had nothing to gain by picking a city that was utterly peaceful, and planting bomb at military checkpoint and barracks.
It is DISTRUBING that US officials are getting into this dirty game. As far as I am concerned, if anyone armed Occupy Wall Street protestors, and they went on rampage on the streets of New York, blasting some banks and houses, I would be LIVID if the Government did not send all the forces available and obliterate them. I have no sympathy for armed politicking. And if US wants to be so bad and brave, let Susan Rice organize UN Team to get the parties together and organize a referendum on the issue and settle this. Or better yet, she and all the brave politicians of ours that just cannot stop WASTING OUR MONEY, need to go to Libya to see how has that TURNED OUT. I think they would not enjoy the stay, unless they do not mind being kidnapped, killed or sodomized --- the gifts of democracy we gave to those poor people. They were BETTER OFF BEFORE, but we just cannot resist getting our two cents worth and dumping some bombs somewhere.
Bianca-31145- I totally agree with your bottomline, but your facts about the Balkans are inaccurate. Izabegovic was not "our" ally, he was an ally of the French contingent in Mostar. There indeed were mass graves at Srebenica. I saw them with my own eyes. NATO did not wait until a "favorable" decision was made to enter the Balkans; afterall, many NATO countries were already in the Balkans operating under the UN. The only reason we and therefor NATO entered the Balkans is because the Europeans couldn't get their act together, meaning they could not assemble a military coalition or decide who to support in the Balkans, because different Western European countries were sympathetic to different former Yugoslavian countries. Additionally, Clinton caught flack for not doing anything against the genocide in Rwanda and once it started looking like genocide in the Balkans, he was spurned to act, not to mention the next year was an election year.
Dear "YouAreRiduculous", YourScriptMakesMeLaugh! Please, Izetbegovic was ally of the French contingent in Mostar! Really? And the little interview that he had with Clinton --- who convinced Izetbegovic to withdraw his signature from the European sponsored Lisbon plan that would have prevented the war, you do not remember? And the fact that there is only ONE commander of NATO, and that is always, without fail a US General that reports to the President of the US. French "contingent" indeed! You saw Srebrenica mass graves with your own eyes? The first people that went there after Dayton agreement was signed was Western press, and they were miffed as they saw nothing. Srebrenica "massacre" never occurred. Most of the military men from Srebrenica left the enclave on the orders from Sarajevo, and then fought their way back. Most of them that were on the dead or missing list have been found since alive and well. What NOW passes for Srebrenica concept is the count of dead or missing FROM THE ENTIRE EASTERN BOSNIA territory, and that includes many, many Serbs. And the count includes the dead from the entire period of the war, not just the count of dead as Srebrenica was overrun. It was pure COINCIDENCE then, that the US supported (MPRI, Inc.) offensive called Storm removed the entire population of majority Serb enclave of Krajina in Croatia. Over 300,000 people were removed, and only a partial count of dead amounts to over 15,000. THIS crime was supposed to be DROWNED in the noise of Srebrenica, but for anyone familiar with the region, this was pretty obvious. And please, enough of the "script". Poor Europeans could not get their act together.... The whole thing was designed that they do not succeed, that the US solution was imposed upon them, and Europe had to eat it. Clinton "caught flack for genocide in Rwanda".... You make me laugh. Clinton's hands were all over the Rwandan thing, only he helped a minority Tutsi EXTERMINATE majority Hutu population in a swift two month offensive. The offensive was planned in military camp in Uganda, and with the great number of Ugandan mercenaries the dirty thing was accomplished. The Tutsi leader was whisked from US military base into Uganda, and the rest is history (look it up yourself, free information for anyone who cares to learn). The SAME dude is still the President there. Have you followed up with what happened then? Move into Congo, and another stooge, Lauren Kabila, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands --- barely reported in Western media. But in Rwanda, a neat package of a narrative was sold to credulous western public. Bad Hutu exterminated Tutsi. And the numbers work out this way. Tutsi were killed at the rate of TWO TIMES THEIR ENTIRE pre-war population. Then, so twice killed, they somehow in a matter of two months, fully armed with Western weapons, managed to nearly exterminate majority Hutu population that defended themselves with sticks and machetes , send the rest packing into jungles and dismal "refugee" camps in Congo --- where, of course, in the full view of international "community" they were starved and then killed off.
So, poor Clinton, having so craftily removed the undesirable francophone regime from Rwanda, proceeded to dismantle what was left of French influence in Congo. With Kabila father, later assassinated as he became too big for his britches, and now his more malleable son, things are packaged so tidily. And we still drone on about the trials of Hutu-sponsored genocide of Tutsi.
You cannot tell me anything about Balkans, and cannot teach me a thing. The patterns of the same dirty game have been inherited by Ms. Clinton. Like Bill Clinton, our President likes to "lead from behind", letting us "push" him "reluctantly" to get involved as the "massacres, "genocides" are triumphantly screamed into the megaphone to crowd out what is left of free thinking in our heads. Seen it all before. As a nation that can just shrug off Guantanamo, Abu Graib, torture, wanton killing of civilians, rapes, sodomy and "beers for ears" campaigns, urinating on dead people --- we need to figure out how to save ourselves first.
how does and army fire weapons upon its own people? are not the soldiers sons and daughters of the people? i had always hoped and prayed that if our military was ordered to fire on we the people, they would realize that they would be firing on there own people. you think about Kent State in the sixties and you just don't know what the military would do. if our government ever tried a take over of the people we could handle the police state fairly easy, small rogue police stations would fall and be overran fast. its the military we have to get to.
At this point, I think the military would join the rebellion. look at the military contributions to Ron Paul.
Seriously, after Obama, Paul is second in military donations.
Toasty McGrath
Actually, Paul almost doubles Obamas
I remember how I felt after Kent State . . . it wasn't a nice feeling at all to have witnessed people who were my own age, and who also shared a common ground with me, gunned down on campus for doing nothing more than what I was doing at the University of Minnesota at the time. It was unconscionable what happened there. And it god-smacked me like nothing before had. I've never trusted our government since. I lost my sense of security that day and it's never come back. And by the looks of things, it never will. I don't like how the America I knew and grew up in is changing for the worse.
No John, he doesn't. Can't you just be happy that Paul's beating out the other republicans?
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jul/23/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-members-military-have-given-him-far-/
This just one proof. i can find more if you like.
PTByrd
Let's just hope this is as bad as it gets.
Yes Toasty, he does Obama is not popular in the military.
The military is the ultimate meritocracy, they have little patience with the "help me" class.
Imagine the US troop defection when ordered to fire on US citizens!
Run and hide, traitor president!
truthhurts--Get a life and take off that tin hat. You " hate the government idiots" need to be in therapy.
Sorry John, but when you look at the match PF used to justify it... Well, let's just say I'm gonna have to ask you to provide better evidence. Like I said, Paul's still beating out the other GOP candidates, isn't that satisfying enough without having to make up another Ron Paul fairy tale?
How about this one?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/9/paul-obama-collect-most-military-donations-to-run/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
You sure don't see people in the military marching on Washington in support of the President.
http://www.awareandprepare.com/veterans-and-active-soldiers-march-on-washington-to-support-ron-paul/
The Times article you posted just repeated what I said.
That Ron Paul received $100,000 more than the President?
I supposed you missed the part where both received the same number of donations. All the article suggests is that it's the richer servicemembers who support Paul, and the lower-salary ones supporting Obama. And that's the only conclusion that could be drawn.
Like I said, be happy that he's beating out the other GOP candidates. Just keep things in perspective. Ron Paul followers tend to have a problem doing that...
Muslims have been fighting like this for decades..aside from the young and babies being caught up inthis its sad..but muslims for the most part are groomed all their lives to hate christians..aka..people from the west..im all for them taking each other out.
Inner city blacks in US are the same way. Killin each other off!
Syrians slaughtering Syrians? Sounds like an excellent idea - keeps them occupied from funding world-wide terrorism - sounds like Syrians getting a taste of their own medicine. Continue the slaughter
Lets see how much more we can damage our economy by investing in another money drain. Let France or Greece lead the way. Why is the EU sitting on their hands?
Because they await orders from London
I see this a an attempt by our Military Industrial Complex to get US sentiment acceptant of yet another war. Keep us out of more middle eastern wars. We have enough problems with or own religious zealots trying to take over our country.
Bashar has most certainly guaranteed himself a place in history as one of the most murderous, brutal dictators of all time and deservedly so . . . what I can't understand is why he keeps on fighting because he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't . . . either way this little homocidal creep loses. He seems to be in a "scorched earth" mode and determined to take everybody down with him . . . if he can't play, nobody plays!
Many of the posts on here are extreme exaggerations!!! Bashar al-Asad will go down as one of the most murderous, brutal dictators of all time!?!?!? Really?!?!? He doesn't even rank in the top 50 of that category, probably not even the top 100. Syria is devolving into a civil war and Asad is trying to maintain power and keep Syria together. Right or wrong, good or bad, the current Syrian regime is confronting an armed insurrection that any government, democratic, communist, Islamic, secular, West or East would meet with its military forces just as Asad is. I just hope the U.S. does not get involved, because there are no "good" guys in this fight and no matter how good the intentions the U.S. will just get more egg on its face and frankly the U.S. cannot afford to get involved (I mean that literally in $$$ terms).
Someone explain why we invaded Iraq, encouraged the overthrow of our allied leaders in Libya and Egypt, and propped up the anti-American leader of Afghanistan, but have done nothing but say hang in there to the oppressed people of Syria. Are we inconsistent or what? Obama is a dictator wanna be fool.
Really, Bob? "Dictator?" Aren't we feeling just a tad hyperbolic tonight...
I'll tell you why we invaded Iraq. Someone wanted to steal billions upon billions worth of jewels and gold stored in the vaults in the basement of the world trade centre that some royalty Beatrice bitch brought over here that Lloyds of London wouldn't insure and planes into the towers was a cover for the heist! Now someone has to take the blame. Who better to blame than one of the most oil rich nations of the world that theoretically were the only ones that could afford to be financial backing for the training of the terrorists. Forget that the Bush family was an oil family. Forget Dick Cheney ran the most lucrative supply train in the history of the world from Kuwait to Baghdad. Forget we stayed LONG after Saddam was captured. Forget Osama, the supposed leader of the terrorists has a name similar to our current president. Forget that our current president has the middle name similar to the last name of the financier of the terrorists. Forget the fact that our president's last name is his latest activity with his drones(Ol' Bomber). Try now to figure why we invaded Iraq? Didn't we first go after the terrorists in Afghanistan? This is a mess! One lie covering up another lie covering up another lie covering up another lie.....See now where this is going now? Kind of like dominoes, isn't it?
Aww come on bob. thats not true. we don't need another war, yah it sux but this country comes first.
Bob...you are right on one thing...Obama is a fool
This is sick.
I am going to make a case for the neutron bombing of the entire region. Based on the acceptance of Agenda 21 by most of the nations of the world, including Russia and China. The US, for the greater good of mankind is fulfilling the mandate signed by President Clinton.
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/spec/aress19-2.htm
Line 30
For the greater good of mankind, the US is both promoting the decline in population and eradicating poverty, and the rest of the mandate becomes irrelevant.
They are not all bad people ....
I know they aren't, that is why I said it was sick. The only thing is, it would eliminate a lot of strife in the world.
And people ....
But their neighbors should help them , not us ....
Where is the Arab's Muslim Brotherhood on this one ....
You are 100% right. The Arab league says they need help? Well get off your arses and help them.
No one gives us any aid .... john .... every other country just sits back and waits for us to spend for the help needed by others ....
I think it's time other countries learn to help ....
Who does China ever help .... ??
I know I was agreeing with you, I was telling the Arab league to get off their arses.
If the Arab league wants our help, they can go to the UN. THen it should be pay per bomb. No ground troops.
And their oil money ....
I like that , pay as you go ....
For bombs , ect. ....
Sort of like Rent-A-Cop
The US, "for the greater good of mankind"...
You're kidding me right?
I don't think the average American feels that way, but I am nearly positive the people who run our foreign policy think we are preordained to rule the world.
Even the biggest bully gets a bloody nose once and a while.
Assad will fall ....
Satellite images? Like the mobile weapons labs in Iraq? The US has zero credibility. If there's any killing of innocent civilians going on you can bet the CIA has its hands in it. Better call in the ragtag, freedom fighting Muslim Brotherhood. Sieg Hiel!
Here we go again with all the bogus satellite intelligence. This is for dummies people, we saw this before the march to a manufactured war in Iraq. The facts are that US/French/British special ops area working dilligently with some inside Syria to create this situation and justify yet another invasion or bombing of a sovereign country. We still haven't learned anything, have we?
Their neighbors should help them , if anyone does ....
Exactly. If you want to end the war mongering, vote for Ron Paul.
RON PAUL in 2012 !!! He doesn't want to curtail anyone's freedoms, nor meddle in everyone's lives, nor play the "world's policeman".
Absolutely agree! How soon we forget Colin Powell standing before his "Intelligence Map" pointing out where all those weapons of mass destruction were located, along with the mobile rail cars and trucks to carry the missiles. All 100% fake.
@ Arielle
No, he just wants to isolate the US from everyone. Can't be done. Remember Pearl Harbor? We were isolationists then.
Eliyahu - It's a common misconception that Ron Paul is an isolationist. He purports trade and diplomatic discourse with other countries. He just doesn't believe in "police actions" - either declare war and go to win or stay out of it. Ron Paul had more donations ($38K) by active servicemen overseas than Obama ($27K), as well as all the combined donations to GOP candidates ($15K).
Roosevelt went against 90% of the American public's wishes to stay out of WWII. When Pearl Harbor happened, THEN most Americans wanted (and volunteered for) war with Japan, not Europe. And still, Hitler would have failed - his biggest blunders were attacking Russia and his very poor military decisions there. We in the US like to think we saved Europe, but it was Russia that brought down Berlin.