"Israel's Netanyahu: Iran's 'aggression' destabilizing world"

The destabilization cannot be cured by Iran getting a bomb.

To Israel I would say, have at it.

Im trying not to laff this must be a joke seems to me Israel is the one destabilizing the world

Israel has accused Iran of waging a campaign of state terror and has threatened military strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, while Iran has blamed the Jewish state for the recent killings of Iranian atomic scientists.

I'm sorry but it seems to me the "recent killings" of Iranian scientist also qualifies as state sponsored terrorism as does the various cyber attacks against Iran. So a proper statement, if it wasn't propaganda that is, would say ...Iran blames the Jewish State for a campaign of state terror due to the murder by bombing of Iranian scientist. Plus didn't the attacks on Iran start first?

So true. I said the same thing yesterday on CCNs' website.

I would point out another difference. If Israel is behind the attacks on Iranian nuclear scientist, they target most of those inside the target country. If Iran is behind these attack on Israeli ambassadors, they are doing it around the world.

So here is a question for you, which is more likely from your own point of view. Would you be standing next to a Iranian nuclear scientist in your downtown city, or would you be more likely to stand next to someone in some way associated to Israel in some way in your downtown city? Just some food for thought the next time you go to that jewelry shop on this day after Valentines Day.

Another difference you didnt mention is that Iran's enemy is not only Israel but any other country that does not adhere to Islamic Law and ruled by a particular sect of Islam. They not only hate the West but also other Muslims that are not Sunni or Shiite (I dont recall what sect is the ruling party in Iran). So if they target Israel and happen to win (which I doubt) do you really think it stops there with Iran.......And the world lives happily ever after.....just like a fairy tale....right!!!!!

Israel are puppets dancing for their American masters.

Corporate America wants another war to feed their machine, but the citizens are finally beginning to wake up and figure out that there are no terrorists. Incidentally, Israel (who's leaders can barely take a piss without permission) begins threatening Iran and proudly admitting that they themselves are working with terrorist cells to murder Iranian scientists. Of course, if they do finally escalate into a war (more like when, at this rate) it will be the good ol' red, white, and blue who step in to help Israel slaughter their Iranian neighbors.

If they really are "god's chosen people", then isn't American involvement saying that god isn't good enough to protect them? As for Muslim attitudes towards the Western world...I dunno, have any of you ever considered that they might hate us because we keep destroying their homes? Maybe if people would pick up a history book, they might figure out that the Western world is, ultimately, the cause of the vast majority of the Middle-East's woes.

Want to test my theory? Talk to someone outside the U.S. and ask them why people in their country hate Americans - their sheer stupidity and world-police mentality will often be the first reasons.

And you think, that if the Israeli issue were to go away Iran would be our best friend?

I'm encouraged by all the comments. It looks like more and more people are waking up to the fact that terrorists in Israel are trying to draw us into another war.

Israel has its right to make public statements and to gather the security information they can and interpret that. Yet The United States is a nation independent of Israel. Israel's words sound like a veiled call to war. I don't think the United States will continue to heed these calls any longer without any sort of reflection about global ramifications. Israel and the United States are not Siamese Twins. There can be mutual respect yet we needn't always parrot one anothers statements blindly.

Dale, remember the pot kettle thing, in this case your both. It will probably take you awhile to figure that one out.

it is time for boots to ass to all the people in washington and the corp press if they are trying to start ww3.its time to stop being good little germans.its time we get control of our government back.russia and china already warned there people that to get ready for war with the us if seria or iran is attacked.thats why we havent bombed iran yet.so get ready for another false flag attack like 9-11 if they can get iran to fire the first shot.and yes folk us and isreal as 3 weeks ago spent 440 million in bombing iran bases- cops-and killing there scientists.us has great people just like iran does,but the top government people is full of hate and evil people just like the people that run our military

People just HAVE to be jingoistic!

Since I see no Israeli or Iranian nationals posting, its pretty obvious to me that people only (and should) care about how it affects their own situation. And unless for at least the past year you have offered your gas station 3 times as much money for your gas, every time you have pulled up to the pump, for all the rhetoric, you support Israel and are against Iran.

By the way, that IS the way it should be. I don't make any excuses for Isreal, the racist state, for its wrongs. That doesn't mean, however, I have to be blind to the even worse racists, the even worse offenders of human rights, and the even worse dangers to the world, like Iran.

Anyone thinking that Isreal is the source of the problem has deep fried their face. Its the only excuse I can think of for not putting things into a perspective that makes sense. It'd be one thing if posters actually did that, but no, they just have to make sure they wave flags and stand on soap boxes to the point of sounding ridiculous with accusations that aren't even supported by facts told to them from ther favorite biased news source.

It is Revealed Religious belief itself that destablizes the world. No matter what flavor it is, belief in assertions that require no proof or cannot be proven causes confusion and uncertainty. If humanity is forced to accept a singular class of assertions for which there is no proof, why should any assertion require proof?

This is why simple ancient creation myths have metastasized into such a convoluted mess. 30,000 denominations of Christianity alone, and dozens of other faiths all claiming god's secret truth has been revealed exclusively to them can only lead to the inescapable arguments that 29,999 of them must be in error.

However, each one being in posession of the truth and believing they are endowed with the wisdom and special favor of omnipotent beings naturally feels entitled to correct those who are in error of the truth, because there can be only one truth.

Jews and Christians based the truth on copies of copies of ancient documents written by completely anonymous persons that have been translated edited, redacted and revised over a thousand year time span, requiring 63 volumes of commentary (Talmud) on the Old Testament alone and uncounted volumes on the new; and yet are considered by many to be the unalterable words of an unchanging omnipotent being(s).

And still more truth must be taken into account in the 60 or so books that were excommunicated from the Christian Canon or the Koran and its multiple commentaries, or the Book Of Mormon and its Doctrines and Covenants, or the 200 Upanishads, the enormous Mahabarata, the Adi Granth... ad nauseum.

The sheer weight of so much Revealed Truth is enough to knock the earth from it's orbit.

you do not have to be a Einstein, to see where this is going; there will be a major Nuclear exchange in the middle east, it will carry over into Europe and the Northern hemisphere, it will cause a complete meltdown of all the western economy's, it will cause disruption of fuel and food supplies on a world wide basis; here is the problem, all are on a collision course and there is no way on Earth that they can work out any type of agreement, get ready we are in for a hell of a ride !

This is another article that most of the people here do not understand.

Historically, the dynamics of the Middle East---

In the end, if there should be a nuclear War not started by Israel, the Nuclear War will be at "your" doorstep. Israel is there to stop them from your sorry gibberish of no education, flippant remarks.

It shows there is no depth to the understanding of history on this board in the ME/North Africa. They all hate themselves as shown by the Arab Spring, and the Syrians are slaughtering their own. These are wonderful neighbors? They can't stop themselves from murdering their own.

Go fight on the Iranian side. They would love to have you, if you are not executed first for being an American.

Israel, will do the job, the now US Government is ignoring. Yes, the United States is a prime target as well. Head for your underground bunkers.

If Iran sets off nuclear warfare, the entire Middle East will disappear. You think the fallout will just stay in Israel---? By killing the Iranian Scientists, Israel is waging a "mild war". You will see.

@Hawaii2

They all hate themselves as shown by the Arab Spring, and the Syrians are slaughtering their own

Any American would know we had our own civil war here "slaughtering our own", where are you really from? Are you trying to insult us?

The entire middle east will disappear? Are you saying that Israel will nuke every middle eastern country? If that is what you are saying, you are insane.

With all due respect, KevinMC, while you are certainly well-versed in religious matters, I have a hard time comprehending your agenda. You seem knowledgeable of religious matters, yet have often misconstrued the differences between religion and spirituality. And if you are not aware of the difference, then the depth of your cultural understanding becomes moot.

On another thread, you posted (in response to my posts) some very enlightening information about the life of Jesus. Essentially, you took me to task for defending the teachings of Jesus Christ. Now, I'm not interested in opening yet another long, tedious debate over religion and whatnot, but every post you write about the subject is apparently meant to be demeaning to those who have faith (however convoluted it may be), and you always end with the premise that the world would be better without religion altogether.

Of course, I conjecture that that is precisely your agenda. Fine. I can accept that. But I wonder why you go to the lengths you have to be so informed about religion, if your only reason for doing so is to demean the religious institutions in the first place.

Lastly, I have often said that spirituality is one's own personal relationship with God, but religion is simply the cultural expression of spirituality, not spirituality itself. Well, that being said, it should not come as a surprise to anyone that as human culture evolves, so will the expression of religion evolve under that society. So, to diminish the role of religion by stating that there are countless denominations of such, is like saying that no human culture is significant because there are countless forms of it.

Kevin, I know you're not stupid, and I certainly am not trying to insinuate such. But for you to come on this forum about Israeli-Iranian politics and denounce religion seems underhanded. WHY?

Remember people every war Israel fought since 1948 was for survival. In the case of Israel using the MEK, theObama administration is the ones who told the world of a clandestineoperation. For you lefties, this surpasses the Valarie Plame saga.

KevinMC- No matter what flavor it is, belief in assertions that require no proof or cannot be proven causes confusion and uncertainty. If humanity is forced to accept a singular class of assertions for which there is no proof, why should any assertion require proof?

Nobody here is forcing faith on anyone in my neighborhood. At school the children are being taught the theory of evolution. Nobody has proof that evolution came first or that creationism is correct, it comes down to the old question which came first the chicken or the egg? To blame the problems of the world on religion is unfounded considering it's natural opposition to violence.

Yes, Israel bulldozers Palestinian's homes, this is wrong. But this does not make Iran Right!

Everybody has the right to live in peace. Iran, since 1979, has called Israel a cancer and called for its destruction. Israel and the Palestinians need to live in peace and stop killing each other. Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah has given Israel the excuse its need to take land grabs. The best thing for the Palestinians people would be to get rid of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Without any physical threat to Israel, the Palestinians could peacefully get there demands met.

The bulldozers were used on homes where suicide bombers came from. They, the Palestinians and Arabs hate the Jews more than they love their children. They are proud when the kill Jews.

It would be great to hear china and Russia telling Iran if you use, lose, or sell a nuke, we will wipe you out.

China and Russia can reset the stage.

What do I know?

Both jews and muslims are ridiculous primitive people.

They've finally advanced to where christianity was in the dark ages.

They're all going to kill each other anyway. I say we get out of the way and let them do it. The world will be a better place without them.

Has it crossed anyone's mind that the Iranian's are trying to provoke action from Israel? To "unite" Iranian's against a common "enemy", and to release some of the pressure being put on Iran by sanctions and the Arab States? I just hope the Israeli's are cunning enough to not play into Iran's hands on this one.

Get your fact straight Iranin shia. Iraq is unni

Sally, You are an embarassment to free speech. Would you censor somebody for calling Hitler, Stalin etc. idiots? If somebody shamelessly manipulates facts and ignores the historical context to promote his idiotic anti-semetic agenda -- such a person is rightfully called an idiot.

With your censorship you have become an enabler for idiots!

May God bless Israel and may every grenade thrown by an Iranian terrorist hit a tree and bounce back.

Indypatriot,

I'll be as brief as possible.

I have no hidden agena. It is ridiculously plain to see Mid-East turmoil is rooted in belief in revealed religion. Both Israel and Iran are Theocracies. They do not separate religion and politics, so you tell me why a comment about religion is out of place here.

You make a big distinction between spirituality and religion; I don't. I think it's a big red herring. Belief in something for which there is zero evidence, and worse, making that the basis for a government is the one of the most dangerous activities humans have ever engaged in.

I took you to task because I think you and a huge number of believers are far too selective in which teachings of Jesus and Yahweh you choose to base your spirituality on. You (editorial you) often ignore or are unaware of the darker aspects of judeo/christian theology... you wear rose colored glasses.

It would be all fine and dandy if you (editorial) all would keep your spirituality to your selves or decide which one of them was true, because in the meantime all of humanity is in the line of fire.

God bless Iran and may every bomb boomerang back to its source.

Spencer, step away from the computer, go iron your sheet and hood while watching Jerry and screaming Seig Heil bitches. Go out of the trailer jump into your yugo painted to look like the General Lee and visit your Pa in the County lockup before your Klan meeting.

MinerFortyNiner,

My statement was obviously over your head; I'll try to simplify it for you. Religious institutions expect society to accept totally unprovable supernatural claims as a given. Most people give religion a pass when it comes to proof. We require proof in every other walk of life, why not for religious claims?

I'm not talking about a particular religion being forced on anyone. I'm talking about an unfair blanket of protection around religion, as if no one is allowed to question it's most basic claims.

I'm sure as a Christian, you feel entitled to question the mythology of Scientology; you'd demand proof of Zenu and the Thetans wouldn't you? So why do you get bent out of shape when I demand proof of Jesus' Resurrection?

And before you go off again, the Bible is not proof of anything; it is the testimony of believers; it's authors (40 or more) are 100% anonymous, it has been edited, translated, redacted and added to thousands of times. It took nearly a thousand years to write; it is a wonderful cultural artifact, but it is not a history book, or a science book; it is a fairy tale. It proves nothing.

Suppose all the money in your bank account suddenly disappeared and the bank manager explained that an angel came into the bank and proclaimed that Jesus sent him to take your money for charity? All the tellers swear they saw the angel too; wouldn't you still demand proof? Wouldn't you demand to see the surveilance footage? How do you think the Palestinians felt in 1948?

It is amazing, ironic and pathetic for people who question concepts like evolution or global warming, which are backed by mountains of evidence to readily accept patently ridiculous stories like Noah's Ark with absolutely no proof!

Small wonder you don't have a clue about your own religion. Yahweh, the god of the Bible is extremely violent! Haven't you ever read read Genesis? He kills every living thing on earth (except Noah, blah, blah) in a fit of anger.

How about Exodus? Yahweh orders his chosen people to slaughter the Canaanites, man woman and child, keeping only the young virgin girls for themselves. What do think they had in mind for the girls, a Tea Party?

The penalty for violating any one of the Ten Commandments is Death! In addition, to that there are at least seven other acts or conditions punishable by death in the Bible. Don't you think death by stoning is a bit violent.

New Testament? Sweet and mild Jesus tells us, "you think I come to bring peace?" "I tell you I bring a sword..." Later on he tells us unless we believe in him we will be, "...cut off," and thrown, "like sticks,' into everlasting flames.

I would describe eternal torture as violence, wouldn't you? Try and get a clue.

So the new posting standard is to collapse any comments you don't like. I guess the other side does not enjoy the same rights to post that others do. This is a bunch of crap. See ya!

How about Exodus? Yahweh orders his chosen people to slaughter the Canaanites, man woman and child, keeping only the young virgin girls for themselves.

So this happened four or five thousands years ago. are you a Canaanite ? do you know a Canaanite, who is concerned for his or her safety.In the Quran the command is open ended, it's a call to fight all,until all worship is for 'allalh' alone.

What do think they had in mind for the girls, a Tea Party?

The penalty for violating any one of the Ten Commandments is Death!

can you link any Jew, acting on these commands to kill in G*d name, in the last thousand years or so ?

In addition, to that there are at least seven other acts or conditions punishable by death in the Bible. Don't you think death by stoning is a bit violent.

Jews had in fact given up that practice by the time of Mohammad. (read a hadith)

(ps)

I'm not a Christian, I'm a pagan.

Saudis and Israel are repeating Iraqi drama!

When Pakis have nukes, which are on sale or can be stolen, what is the big deal about Iran?

Anyhow, Iran needs to test it nukes. So they should test it on Saudi Arabia and its puppets first.

actually, Iran should test it on their own turf first, preferrably on the Iranian "guardian council"

kpr,

Try again. Yahweh's laws and commands are eternal too. Even Jesus says, "Not one jot or tittle of the Law shall pass from the earth before these things come to pass..." The things he was talking about were the end of the world.

Yahweh tells Abraham Israel will, "Rule over all the nations of the earth..." if you don't think Jews take that as seriously as Muslims take Allah's instructions you're kidding yourself.

Doh! The Jews are still fighting the Canannites for the land Yahweh promised them, only they're called the Palestinians now; back then some of them were known as Philistines.

P.S. Who is admitting you're a Pagan supposed to impress? So who do you worship, Dagda, Danu, Eiru... do you believe in nymphs and sylphs?

Get a grip, they're no different than the Trinity and the heirarchy of Angels.

Try again. Yahweh's laws and commands are eternal too. Even Jesus says, "Not one jot or tittle of the Law shall pass from the earth before these things come to pass..." The things he was talking about were the end of the world.

So what ?

Yahweh tells Abraham Israel will, "Rule over all the nations of the earth..." if you don't think Jews take that as seriously as Muslims take Allah's instructions you're kidding yourself.

I see no Jews shouting Yahweh-u Akbar as they slughter non-Jews

Doh! The Jews are still fighting the Canannites for the land Yahweh promised them,

please source that there is any relationship between Arab Muslims an ancient Canaanites. (you just made that up) Why should I respond to your nonsensical comment ?

only they're called the Palestinians now; back then some of them were known as Philistines.

The philistines of antiquity, or the Sea people were Mycenaean of Greek origin. the Arabs now called Palestinians came at the earliest at the Islamic conquest of the Byzantine empire in the middle of the seventh century.some as late as when the first Jewish arrivals brought prosperity to the land.

P.S. Who is admitting you're a Pagan supposed to impress?

I point that out because "progressives" have a preconceived notion that any dissenting view point comes from Christians

So who do you worship, Dagda, Danu, Eiru... do you believe in nymphs and sylphs?

This matter to you why ?

Get a grip, they're no different than the Trinity and the heirarchy of Angels.

Oh yes, who among us can differentiate one religion form the other

how progressive of you. inaccurate but progressive nevertheless.

Look at the photos!

Why should all sane in the world worry about these Islamic mad men?

kpr,

"So what?"

So what is not an argument. Before you kick ass, you got to bring ass. I don't have to source this one, I learned it in elementary school; the Sea People were the Phonecians.

The Philistines lived in Wadi Gaza, now called the Gaza Strip. I don't have to go any further than Wiki; they've conveniently sourced it from the Bible, Josephus and Philo.

"The etymology of the word into English is from Old French Philistin, from Late Latin Pilistinus found in the writings of Josephus, Late Greek Philistinoi (Phylistiim in the Septuagint found in the writings by Philo; from Hebrew Plištim, (e.g. 1 Samuel 17:36; 2 Samuel 1:20; Judges 14:3; Amos 1:8), "people of Plešt" ("Philistia"); cf. Akkadian Palastu, Egyptian Parusata. (Wikipedia)


Your references to Illyrium are extremely flimsey and backed by zero physical evidence. In fact the physical evidence is dead against it. I'll take the words of Philo and Josephus over Jacobsohn and the Unnamed Historian; one who makes an argument about the grammar of a place name and the other whose 'suggestion' preceeded the dicovery of contrary archeolological evidence.

"Another theory, proposed by Jacobsohn and supported by others, is that the name derives from the attested Illyrian locality Palaeste, whose inhabitants would have been called Palaestīnī according to normal grammatical practice."

"Another historian suggests that the name Philistine is a corruption of the Greek "phyle histia" ("tribe of the hearth", with the Ionic spelling of "hestia"). He goes on to suggest that they were responsible for introducing the fixed hearth to the Levant. This suggestion was raised before archeological evidence for the use of the hearths was documented at Philistine sites." (Wikipedia)

You can watch video on You Tube of modern day stonings in the Middle East. It doesn't matter one bit if they were Jews or Arab Muslims, because JEWS AND ARABS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE!! Can you hear me now? They're all SEMETIC peoples! They both trace their own roots to Abraham.

There are only two basic types of religion; revealed and intuitive. Within the types all differences are strictly superficial. So yes, all revealed religions are essentially the same just like all sitcoms are the same; only the names and locations are different.

Jews perform the Sedar every year to remind them of an injustice they claim was done to them 3500 years ago. Our year 2012 is the year 5772 in the Jewish calendar. So your point about the last 1000 years is.... What?

Scriptures are commonly referred to by devotees as, "Living Documents." They are commonly held to be the word of a timeless, unchanging being. If they are such they should still be in full effect, so why have the Jews stopped sacrificing and stoning?

They say its because they have evolved in their understanding and those were primitive times, ect; all of which is just tacit admission of the big secret.... god is a myth! They made it all up.

My point about Biblical violence that it is 100% human in nature since Yahweh is 100% fabricated by humans. My point about scripture is that it SERVES AS AN EXCUSE for all sorts of mayhem.

As recently as 200 years ago, it was used as a legal argument in favor of the African Slave Trade, by both the Queen of Spain and U.S. Southern slave owners. Didn't you see Amistad?

Only last Nov., GOP Presidential candidates, Bachmann, Gingrich and Santorum each told a convention of Evangelical pastors they would like to see the U.S. Constitution amended to conform to "Biblical standards of morality," so don't tell me belief in the bible isn't still dangerous.

You better learn to swim or stay the kiddie pool.

Israel is not the aggressor in this drama as they are pitted against Islamic enemies on all sides that have vowed to wipe Israel off the map! I absolutely do not believe that the USA needs to or should get in a war with Iran or Syria or any other damn Muslim country,Israel is fully capable of handling the Muslim wackjobs that rule Tehran as well as Hamas and Hezbollah WITHOUT US. AIR AND GROUND FORCES as they have many times in the past. And yes the USA should continue to support it's ally Israel diplomatically and logistically as we would any of our traditional allies. Thanks Israel for continuing to support the USA in the war on terror. And in the words of Ronald Reagan: "God Bless the USA and Israel''

I believe that this Reagan quote has stood the test of time....Ronald Reagan: “Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that. Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tyranny and unrest.” So yes Israel is a true ally of the USA in an area of vipers and snakes.

Destabilizing the world

AND Israel needs some global friends so Iran does not beat the snot out of them.

Israel started the fight by killing Iranian scientists

So thats how it all started!!! I was always curious

did they kick you off? they kicked me off for making a comment that the republicans and dems in congress were acting like a bunch of little kids.

did they kick you off? they kicked me off for making a comment that the republicans and dems in congress were acting like a bunch of little kids.

If you are not a lib,with corresponding comments, expect to get suspended twice a month.

"i do not trust the press"

posted on a news website. lol.

stop reading if you don't trust it.

Yes, yes. Iran is a destabilizing force in the world. Iran and the rest of the world would be far better off without the current cast of petty and incompetent dictators posing as religious 'authorities'.

Netanyahu has not done much to help matters, though.

yournotright......Iran beats the snot out of Israel?

what a silly thing to say

Mary Jones-1616541 - This whole thing is stupid. I have no real idea who blewup who. I trust not in the press. Don't kick me off again for this comment.

What is stupid - the fact that these bozos were caught? - or - That these bozos have a "very real" connection to Iran? - or - That Iran is likely behind the other recent bombing and attempted bombing in India and Georgia?

You don't trust the media?? Media outlets from around the globe are reporting what they see, and what they are told by Tiawan police and government officials. So - what they were told is that the individuals behind this recent bombing in Taiwan are Iranian - period. Why would the Tiawan government lie about this? Hello....!

@Zekemob, Do you have proof that its Israel that set off bombs in the US? and I mean proof, not your messed up sense of reality that you believe.

if you have proof, provide a link. otherwise what you say has no merit.

@Zekemob, Do you have proof that its Israel that set off bombs in the US? and I mean proof, not your messed up sense of reality that you believe.

if you have proof, provide a link. otherwise what you say has no merit.

This is proof that Israel has done this before. Scroll down to the Legacy section and read the part where in 2005 they honored the operatives who planned on bombing Egyptian, British, and American interests and blame it on Muslim Brotherhood. Now if they have done this before and admitted it, what makes you think they don't do it now when Iran is a legitimate Nuclear threat to them? That was an act of war against Egypt, the United States and Great Britain. Israel paid no price for it. The only thing that happened was their defense minister "resigned". I'm sure he lived a tough life after his resignation.

They are in full fledged preservation mode and the citizens of the world will suffer when Israelis are in preservation mode.

search youtube for

"Eustace Mullins - More secrets of the feds"
This will tell so much about what is going on and why the US cares or should I say the elite that control cares.

I really find the inclusion of Israel and it's foreign policy totally beside the point. Iran has been acting very bellicose toward everyone around the world. Acting nice toward this government is false hope for us and gives comfort to Iran. Iran will continue to act in this manner until it sees this road is a dead end. Our current policies seem to be not discouraging Iran in the least.

it is time for boots to ass to all the people in washington and the corp press if they are trying to start ww3.its time to stop being good little germans.its time we get control of our government back.russia and china already warned there people that to get ready for war with the us if seria or iran is attacked.thats why we havent bombed iran yet.so get ready for another false flag attack like 9-11 if they cant get iran to fire a shot back.and yes folk us and isreal as 3 weeks ago spent 440 million in bombing iran bases- cops-and killing there scientists.us has great people just like iran does,but the top government people is full of hate and evil people just like the people that run our military

It is amazing how the posts critical to Israel are quickly collapsed on the Newsvine by the Zionists and their lackeys...

Does any of this really matter? The Jewish lobby is the most powerfull lobby in the United States! So if they say it is so! It must be so! next!

This fight did not begin recently, Iran has been providing money, weapons, training or support to Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria for thirty years.

are people waking up to the corp press-a-tudes

look how they report for isreal like there little angels,occupy wall street-until obama moveon.org couldnt coop the movenment then they shut it down,and how ron paul is treated

Israel became the aggressor the moment a bunch of rich white men in the United Nations carved it out in the late 1940s and made up a completely made-up country on other peoples' homes. Nobody's forcing them to live on stolen land; nobody's forcing them to ethnically cleanse their territory. But if they want to do it, they have to live with their neighbors hating them. That's just how the world works.

More importantly, it's not America's problem. We've lost too much treasure and far too many lives supporting this mistake.

Hello folks, our country is broke and weary of war. If Israel wants to start a war, let them finish it alone. The elite are ratcheting up the rhetoric and the warmonger sheeple are getting sucked in to the propaganda. Let’s take an objective look at the Iran situation. Ask yourself, what would happen if Iran attacked an oil refinery in the US? Of course we would go into Iran and bomb their country. Well, we recently bombed an Iranian oil refinery and they didn’t retaliate. We issued sanctions on their oil and export industries and they didn’t retaliate. Israel is killing their scientists and they didn’t retaliate. Why is that?

While appearing vulnerable they took control of the most sophisticated drone on the planet downloaded and deciphered the encrypted information and have our Military intelligence (I know it’s an oxymoron) people worried that top secret information has been compromised.

Do you believe that the Iranian’s have the capability to bring down a state of the art drone and have it land where they want it to and down load and decipher complex encrypted code? It appears that Iran has been getting help and lots of it from a very sophisticated source or sources. The US already declared war on Iran by issuing sanctions and covertly bombing them but they don’t dare overtly go in because it would jeopardize China’s oil flow, piss off Russia, Turkey and the local Arab countries. This would also force Iraq to support Iran. We got kicked out of Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan is trying to get us to leave their country. The Middle East is kicking us out which means we are running out of staging areas and NATO support for an attack on Iran. The US tried to concoct fraudulent excuses to stir up public support to go into Iran. There was the laughable assassination ruse of the Mexican drug cartel and the more unbelievable law suit stating Iran was part of 9/11. There were also claims that Iran attacked Iraq, etc. The elite are running out of false flags. Iran is out foxing the US because they have the world divided and we can’t command an organized response. The UN Security Council voted against the US a few weeks ago. China and Russia have gone on record that if Iran is attacked they would support Iran. The world is getting fed up and bored with our Imperialism and the elite who orchestrate war.

We have been fighting urban wars of attrition for over 10 years now and we are broke, our allies are broke. We have spent close to 3 Trillion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq. We can’t afford another expensive protracted war a half a world away and the US citizens are sick of war. There is 85% support for Ron Paul amongst our troops because they are sick of war and he’s promised to end the wars. The lengthy wars have depleted our manpower, equipment, and our political capital.

Last week the Census Department of the Federal Government reported that “50% of the nation’s population were living below the poverty line”. Our nation’s wealth has been exhausted by war so that we could secure profits for the banking, oil, and Military/Industrial cartels. We never saw a dime of it and never will because the 1% elite feel they have a Divine Right at our expense. You know their motto, privatize profits and socialize losses. They truly can’t squeeze much more from the peasantry but they will try.

Our government has been trying to get Iran to do something stupid so that we can attack them but they won’t do it. Iran isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan. They haven’t done anything, aren’t weak and they aren’t bluffing. They are asserting their right as a sovereign nation and have the support of some very powerful countries. If we attack Iran, the war will be at our doorstep and then we will see how brave you who espouse war respond. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

It is amazing how the posts critical to Israel are quickly collapsed on the Newsvine by the Zionists and their lackeys...

it's amazing how some people think that their belief in everything the enemies of the US (Iran) represent and hatred of our friends (Israel) is somehow grounds for respect. please tell me one good thing that Iran has done for anyone?

Iran routinely tortures its own citizens into making televised false confessions and you go on as if it is the fountain of goodness

some of you should listen to the absolute hatred that you spew, everything evil comes from the US and Israel, and everything that is good comes from Iran.

if you hate the US so much and love our enemies so much, you really need to get out of my country

the Iranian government has to GO, plain and simple. let the people of Iran m,ake their own decisions, not a tiny pack of pigs-blood sucking psychotic mullahs

Boy all the crack pots are chiming in today.. So George Bush and the CIA and the Air Force and the FBI and the Army and the Navy and the FAA and the New York police and so on and so forth all conspired to kill US citizens and blame it on the poor peace loving Muslims????? Some how I don't think so!! Our government has done its share of shady things and has also done great things.. Israel is no saint but it has been under attack since its formation after the end of WW2.. The Arabs that sided with Hitler and lost still can't accept the fact that to the victor goes the spoils.. The Iranians are still pissed off that their Persian empire was defeated and busted up so they piss and moan and help kill women and children in sneak attacks.. If the worlds Muslim population would speak up about these shameful acts like they did about the preacher who burned their book we could get rid of these idiots who teach their children that killing is what their god demands.. All religions are cults and praise mass murderers as heroes.. So much wasted time spent killing and destroying because one group wants to dominate another..What is worse is the only way to stop these idiots is to do what you want to stop.. The endless paradox......

I treat getting kicked off as a complement, it means I've stepped on someones toes who can't stand being criticized for his opinion. Maybe this will get me kicked off again, thats why I post on Yahoo most of the tme anyway.

Maybe we should be thankful Iran has been helping Lebanon, Syria, and saving their Moslem race. Israel has been inter-marrying Israelites like Hitler for 30 years to support the genetic flow of Abraham and Isaac. It is also said that Israel has been working on a bomb that if your related by genes to Abraham, you would live, if not we would die. Israeli children are mentally ill, from drugs or Methy-Amphetamines, like most of our youth, with no reason to live. Let there be peace and hope, and not master races, or ethnic-cleansing.

"Late Tuesday, Israel's Channel 10 TV quoted unidentified Thai authorities as saying the captured Iranians confessed to targeting Israeli interests.

Thai police have named the Iranian pair in custody as Saeid Moradi, who lost at least one leg in a self-inflicted grenade blast as he tried to flee police, and Mohummad Hazaei, who was detained Tuesday as he tried to board a flight to Malaysia."

Israel is going to end up blowing these people off the Map! and with good reason!

"

Skorned

Shortly after he spoke, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad personally began the process of loading a nuclear reactor in Tehran with domestically made fuel rods, according the the state news agency.

This guy is magical....like O'bama!

I have not seen this kind of hands on leadership since O'bama slid down the rope in Pakistan to double tap Bin laden"

dude..YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!! I HOPE IT HURTS YOUR ONE BRAIN CELL!! GET A LIFE ! oh AND BTW...get USE TO THE MAN CAUSE HE WILL GET ELECTED AGAIN!!

Maybe we should be thankful Iran has been helping Lebanon, Syria, and saving their Moslem race. Israel has been inter-marrying Israelites like Hitler for 30 years to support the genetic flow of Abraham and Isaac. It is also said that Israel has been working on a bomb that if your related by genes to Abraham, you would live, if not we would die. Israeli children are mentally ill, from drugs or Methy-Amphetamines, like most of our youth, with no reason to live. Let there be peace and hope, and not master races, or ethnic-cleansing.

I do hope that is some kind of joke, because if its not, then you really need to wrap a few more layers of tinfoil around your head

Are we really going to believe Israel in this matter? A country that has a proven history of attacking U.S. and British interests and blaming it on Muslims. This is the LAVON AFFAIR all over again. They've attacked U.S. Naval ships and wanted to blame it on Egypt. They attempted to bomb the embassy in Mexico City and blame it on Muslims. I really hope people don't fall for these lies. You can't trust a country that would kill all Americans in order to save itself.

Lets try putting on our thinking caps and figure out why China and Russia would support Iran even though they oppose the radical cleric councils objectives of a world ruled by Islam.. One could be the 2 super powers have no problem killing their own citizens in "cleansing purges" something that we have the moral integrity not to do but Iran seems to be OK with.. Second is they trade heavily with Iran ala guns and technology for oil the enemy of my enemy thing.. Third is chaos is opportunity, Communism thrives when society crumbles..

Hm. Israel wants to blow up Iran... cheaply. What better way to do it than stage terrorist attacks across the world... only then to claim it was Iran... knowing that the sheep in the U.S. who will always back Israel and blow Iran up (while the U.S. takes it's own attacks in the mainland, killing many of us in the process).

Is it so hard to believe that the U.S. is just a puppet of Israel?

THIS WAS COLLAPSED?

That's not the story I care about. I'm worried about Israelis bombing places in America in order to blame it on Iran. I care about my family. I don't give a damn about Israel the way the Israeli government doesn't give a damn about me or anyone who isn't Israeli. The Israeli government would kill my entire family in the snap of a finger if it meant Israel would survive 10 seconds longer. This is America! Not Israel.

So if I wrote about my fear of Muslims terrorists, would that be collapsed.

Someone is really trying hard to hide the truth.

Lol! @ Really?

Too soon man, too soon.

Netanyahu calling anyone else a terrorist is just Ironic. Although Iran is crazy and a state supporter of terrorism, Israel uses terrorism to kill Iranian nuclear scientists. How can they beat their breasts and complain when they started the targeted assassinations first? Of course at some point Iran was going to respond when you keep killing their scientists.

Israel started the fight by killing Iranian scientists. And of course now they are playing the famous "We are victims!" card. Screw Israel and screw Iran. They certainly deserve each other. US should stay out of this conflict. Let these savages tear each other apart.

There is no proof Israel did anything wrong. There are many in Iran that want to see the govt. overthrown. They see their govt. is up to no good. There are many in Iran that do not want a nuke or war or confrontation, they want peace.

On the other hand, the govt. of Iran had this scientist killed, and then blamed Israel and America to justify going to war.

Saying Israel did this or that is just a racist statement. You either side with Israel or against Israel. Hitler would be proud of those who hate the Jews, his mission lives on.

i believe that the middle east said they were going to destroy Isreal when it was created. Isreal won and got more land which is fair. they been trying to destroy them still. It the same thing that the GOP said about Obama, we will do nothing but destroy him by the next election. oh ya thanks for nothing on our depression we are in. glad to see you care about this nation

@KevinT

You either side with Israel or against Israel

That sounds like a former U.S. president talking.

Did the Israelis hire you George?

Saying Israel did this or that is just a racist statement. You either side with Israel or against Israel. Hitler would be proud of those who hate the Jews, his mission lives on.

You think everyone who disagrees with Israel is Hitler? That's sad. Please seek treatment for your paranoia. It's a good thing you aren't an Israeli diplomat.

KevinT- So, saying that Israel killed a lot of children in Operation Cast Lead a few years ago is racist? Or that stating my frustration over the USS Liberty bombing is "anti-semitic"?

"There is no proof Israel did anything wrong." Uhhhhh, really? You know, Kevin you're right! NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE!!........

Hm. Israel wants to blow up Iran... cheaply. What better way to do it than stage terrorist attacks across the world... only then to claim it was Iran... knowing that the sheep in the U.S. who will always back Israel and blow Iran up (while the U.S. takes it's own attacks in the mainland, killing many of us in the process).

Is it so hard to believe that the U.S. is just a puppet of Israel?

is it so hard to believe that you are just a puppet of Iran?

Is it so hard to believe that independent nations around the world that have no interest or ties to Israel or Iran, i.e. THAILAND where the bombing occurred, have done their own investigation and found Iranians to be at the center of the attack?

Everyone is so wrapped up in US/Israel vs. Iran controversy they forget Iran is staging attacks in countries other than their unfriendly neighbor. If this was bombings between the two sworn enemies, then yeah I would think the reports are biased. But Iran's actions are clearly reaching outside of the middle east. They have cut off oil ties to European nations. They have plotted the murder of diplomats in Asia. They are inching closer to nuclear capabilities. Regardless of what you think of Israel, how can anyone condone Iran's actions?? Furthermore, how can anyone view Iran as the innocent or non-agressive in this situation?

Furthermore, how can anyone view Iran as the innocent or non-agressive in this situation?

its simple, they hate jews, they hate America, and will do anything to destroy both.

a bunch of useless Iranian lapdogs

Sally, is it okay now to call Skorned an idiot neo-nazi anti semite or am I going to be suspended to call a spade a spade?

Debbie, you can't live peacefully with people after you've thrown them out of their homes and ethnically cleansed the land you stole from them.

I would merely refer you to the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine.

I didn't say anything about the greatest time of settlement, I was explaining how the thing that started all of this violence was the creation of a made-up state called Israel. Stop trying to change the subject.

Mary Jones-1616541 - This whole thing is stupid. I have no real idea who blewup who. I trust not in the press. Don't kick me off again for this comment.

What is stupid - the fact that these bozos were caught? - or - That these bozos have a "very real" connection to Iran? - or - That Iran is likely behind the other recent bombing and attempted bombing in India and Georgia?

You don't trust the media?? Media outlets from around the globe are reporting what they see, and what they are told by Tiawan police and government officials. So - what they were told is that the individuals behind this recent bombing in Taiwan are Iranian - period. Why would the Tiawan government lie about this? Hello....!

Hate is the problem on ALL sides. It's not just Iran and Israel. If we can't all just get along, could we at least just ignore each other?

I'm not too fond of either of you

bubbling

Hate is the problem on both sides. The rest of the world will suffer right along with the both of them.

AAAAHHHH The power of religion!

AAAAHHHH The power of religion!

Score! You cant go wrong bashing the big guy! Hate is everywhere...even in you!

He didn't bash God, he bashed organized religion, which, frankly, we would all be better off without.

He didn't bash God, he bashed organized religion, which, frankly, we would all be better off without.

I'd like a sandwich with my muddy water please

Sounds exactly like a rant coming from an uneducated religious wacko nut job. An I'm a conservative.... but I still call'em like I see'em. And unlike MSNBC, and the rest of the corupt media (Fox included)... I'm not corrupted nor motivated ($) by Israeli'$ (Jewi$h) influence.

A beacon of logic hehaha. Let me ask you libs a question. How does it feel to be aligned with the enemy?

Israeli'$ (Jew$).

Classy

Israel is our ally? We need to pay unconditional Billions everyday - so they can call us their friend? Have they not dragged us into endless misery already? Our representatives vote all favour and none against Israel - ALWAYS - say a single word against it you NEVER get elected. This is extortion, not friendship. Lets face it we do not need Israel - for anything. By the way the majority of Jewish people are not into constant aggression of Israel either. I ought to know. We Do Not Need to Pay a Friend for Her Services - there is a name for it; freind is not it.

Israel is our ally? We need to pay unconditional Billions everyday - so they can call us their friend?

How much did we give to Pakistan...Egypt?

YES!...RELIGION is the problem with most of the world, including here at home. The Jews can't get along with the Muslims, who hate the Christians, who don't trust the Muslims , who hate each other if they are not of the same tribe or sect, who all hate the Jews, while those godless Communists are just all going to hell..........with the whole world beating each other up for thousands of years over their own individual beliefs. So here at home we have the Evangelicals pushing their agenda, with Catholics denying women the right to choose their own reproductive future, while more and more intelligent beings say "ENOUGH"......and are leaving religious organizations in droves to pursue their beliefs in private.....as it should be. No jihads, no revivals, no Come to Jesus meetings. It's about time we all step back and try to get rid of the hate that emanates from organizations that were supposed to teach love. More people have died because of religious beliefs in the history of this world than all other causes combined .

this is like the pot calling the kettle black. no country has murdered more innocents in that region than israel

Salute to you Realist!

Skorn: Pakistan and Egypt - A fraction of Israel. Apart from Humanatarian aid - I

do not support ANY AID. WHile we lose job, education, healthcare - NO ONE

ought to get a penny!

Realist- While I can't necessarily argue against your post, you have conveniently missed the fact that Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peaceably together in the ME for many, many centuries.

The Israeli-Iranian issue at hand here (and more importantly, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) has more to do with politics and resources (or land rights) than it does about religious differences. IMHO, bringing religion into the matter only complicates the issue with strawman arguments. If Israel had been more diplomatic over the last 60 years, within reason, there would be peace today.

HUMAN frailties such as greed, avarice, and corruption have done more harm to humanity than the religions that espouse peace and tolerance. Religion doesn't cause someone to hate another, human nature does.

I'm not corrupted nor motivated ($) by Israeli'$ (Jewi$h) influence.

"yep, its those dangummed joos , my pappy said so, and i say so too. oh those horrible , evil joos."

is your name duphas, or dumbass?

this Sally chick needs to take a chill pill, what can a person say on here, freedom of speach right,,,,oh oh wait, unless it is somthing that offends "YOU" right? That is part of the problem with this country, not many people have thick skin, always crying about something.

While I agree with your posting intent, I would point out that some of those items you are listing allow you to even know and make posts. This concept of fights over oil and nuclear weapons and corporate bottom lines are standard through history from back when two cavemen fought over the choices of meat from the Mammoth that was just killed.

What is sad is that you think people are interested in making a world a better place and that they use any of those things you mentioned.

I think that 98% of the people in the world are interested in just getting doing their own thing. They are interested in their own feature comfurts, how ever they are achieved. They are interested in not having their stomach grawl with hunger, rain to splatter on their head, and to get laid on a regular basis (if they want).

Unfortunately, there is the 2% of people in a world population of 7,000,000,000+ people that seem to want to force things on others or take things from others.

Yes, Richard....all the religious zealots of the world who just want to force their beliefs on all those "non-believers".

Well Realist, the same can be said for Non religous zealots.... Forcing those who have faith to discard it and conform their daily lives to leave out God. Can't have God over there.. no no no... you can't have Him over here either. In fact the mere mention of God is wrong in their eyes. Then they turn around and demand 1st amendment rights for themselves. That cuts both ways when it comes to zealots.

So true - but you can bet that the pro-Israel group will listen to NuttyYahoo's every word and believe his rantings! Israel will do anything to get the US to bomb Iran - our only hope is for Russia and China to stand strong. I never thought that I would be hoping for Russia and China to save us from another disasterous war but I am. The US government and pentagon and CIA is hungry again and needs feeding, while poor Americans go without jobs and put their children to bed at night hungry for food. All our money is now spent on wars and defense products and givaways to terrorists states like Israel - we have really lost our way and our children will pay for it. The entire secret armies and intellengence agencies should be shut down - and our secret prisons closed forever, and then we need to upgrade our infrastructure and secure our borders.

REALLY?????! I am amazed at you insight into Zionism! I think you have no clue as to what is really going on. Israel has not been the aggressors, they just want to keep what is theirs, its the radicals around them that is trying to take what little they have. I will stand with Israel, and if they bomb Iran, I will stand with them. The nut case ruling Iran is trying to bring about a 3rd World War, he said as much out of his own mouth. It is why he was born (according to him) and lets not forget he was pictured as one of the terrorist who kidnapped our people and kept them hostage for so long during the Carter administration. Don't be fooled. You might need to do a little more research before you hate on Israel.

Must feel real good blaming the Jews rather than the Israelis, you petty little neo-Nazi sitting in your parents basement.

You sure got that right, "Just A Man" If the United States would just stay out of it, i would say,

'Go ahead Israel, make good on your threats' and we would see what happens.. Iran would blow them off the map.. but unfortunately, that would start WWIII

So, there we go again... except this time, the entire world is involved....

Maybe that is what the Mayans were talking about for 21 December 2012.. One nuclear warhead aimed at Iran... and it is all over for the rest of us...

Somebody please explain to me why we are allies with Israel?

I have friends that are Jews but they are peace full Jews. I'm not a neo- Nazi by any means and all I'm saying there are hateful Jews that don't share the same opinion with peaceful Jews. Its amazing that cry babies like you can't separate the two. Your probably the hatred type that stands with the evil land grabbing murdering Zionist. North Lite the Zionist

Well said Bull Dog

It is absolutely amazing to me that so many people are so misinformed on the situation in the middle east, Iran, and with Israel. Think for one minute how much different the world would be if it was Hitler that had the Nuke. The words that come out of this Iranian nut jobs mouth are scarily similar to what was said by Hitler back in the day. Dictators that spew this rhetoric need to be stopped before they have the chance to cause real harm, in which case we will have to deal with them anyway with military action. Have we not learned anything from WW2?? Iran is a SERIOUS problem right now and we can deal with it now or later when the situation is worse. Rest assured, if Iran gets the ability to use this power as a weapon, WE WILL BE AT WAR. Iran will use this on Israel and they will sell this to other enemies of ours to use on us, period. At which time they could fly into Mexico and bring it right across the boarder into our country. I don't like the fact that the US is always the "watch dog" with global stability, but if we want to enjoy the freedoms and the prosperity we have, they come with a price. If you don't like it, go live in a 3rd world country for a while. I'm sure you'll see the world through a different glass then!

As far as Israel goes, I'm on their side. If our neighbors were launching missles into our land and killing our inocent people, they would have been leveled a long time ago becuase we wouldn't stand for it. But our administration tells them to sit on their hands to "keep the peace" in the region, so they continually get picked on. All Israel needs is the US to grow a pair and show STRONG support to our ONLY true partner in the region, and a lot of their problems will much easier to deal with.

God bless the USA!!

Kc, you would not be saying God Bless The USA if we stopped funding your terrorist agenda.

Here come the anti-Israel and anti-USA bigots again. You've got to be kidding me! You're putting your hopes in China and Russia? You would prefer to believe and trust CHINA and RUSSIA over the government of your HOME? You think CHINA and RUSSIA are concerned for your welfare and future, or anything other than their own interests? You think they "stand strong" on moral grounds to "save us" from the evil imperialism of the "zionists" and greedy USA? Sheesh! <\hand slap to face>

"Israel/zionist aggression has been destabilizing the world since 1948." I think your middle initial stands for "adolescent". Go back to high school history and read about WWII and the Jewish state. I won't do your research for you.

I know that we can love our country and still recognize its faults. I know that a true patriot will call out the mistakes and work to correct them. I have done so many times, myself. But some of the ignorant statements made on this forum daily tell me that some people are just plain bigots, and for some reason (maybe it's the "new intellectual" atheism, or maybe it's their drugs) it has become popular lately to bash this country from within on every subject from foreign policy to the color of the sky. Yes, it's hard to change the mind of a bigot, and yes they have the right to speak their opinions. But I also have the right to comment on their opinions. And IMO, comments #9, 9.1 and 9.2 are ludicrous.

Just my $.02. Plonk.

Bulldog - Im just curious but how exactley is the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights Israel's? Israel has been the aggressor before there was even a State of Israel. Trying to create a state for yourself by forcefully removing the native population is aggression, bombing the King David Hotel was aggression. The massacre at Yier Dassin was aggression. The Irgun and Lehi were pure aggression, and these groups gave us Begin, Shamir, and Sharon. The expantion of illegal settlements and the demolition of homes is aggression. The arbitary detention of Palestinians, including children is aggression. Operation Cast Lead was aggression. It is you sir who have no idea what the hell you are talking about and needs to do a lil research

mountainbike

"terrorist agenda"??? LOL.... That is funny. Like I said, we can deal with it now or later when the situation is worse. Obviously we all know where you stand. Stick your head in the sand and it will go away.

So my "terrorist agenda" would be what exactly? Making life extremely difficult for a psycho dictator hell bent on promoting terror all over the world and especially against us and are allies. The same dictator we have proven to support and arm radicals with funding and weapons to attack American GI's in Iraq successfully. OR, standing by are best and only true ally in the region that has provided us with substancial intel, tools, and support for decades in an attempt to make their country and the region more stable.

hmmm... you know what, you're right. That sounds like pure terrorism. Let's wash our hands of the whole thing, turn our backs, and walk away. That way, when they all wipe each other off the map, we can start fresh. Brilliant take on the situation.

"While appearing vulnerable they took control of the most sophisticated drone on the planet downloaded and deciphered the encrypted information and have our Military intelligence (I know it’s an oxymoron) people worried that top secret information has been compromised."

NOT TRUE!!! The drone didnt carry ANY information!! it was put on a harddrive thats NOT on the Drone! there worried because of the Drone ITSELF! and the design. If your gonna spew on here. get the facts straight!

Well said Stewgotts but Bulldog and many others like him or her only want people to see it there way. That is the Zionist way. They think that everyone is attacking Jewish people in general but the truth is we are not . Like i said in my other post that i have good friends that are Jewish but they don't share the same beliefs with the violent Zionists people like Bulldog and others of there exclusive flock that try to play the anti- Semite card.

KC simple man

""terrorist agenda"??? LOL.... That is funny. Like I said, we can deal with it now or later when the situation is worse. Obviously we all know where you stand. Stick your head in the sand and it will go away"

EXCELLENT POINT!!! we did that with Hitler!!! and look where that got us!!

Very well put, kc!

Finally, someone who knows what is really going on!

Israel will win this War with Iran in mini-steps, for the benefit of all Americans. Iran will "sic" Hezbollah on all Western Society, along with the support of all ME/N. African Terrorists fighting together. They can't keep their own countries from slaughter, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Iran's next target is the USA---so the blame game goes to Israel. Now everyone loves Iran.

Go figure.

Good job Sally, keep on enabling the anti-semites like mountainbike and their neo-nazi agenda. Sorry Sally, but neo-nazis and anti-semites don't deserve any respect and need to be exposed for what they are.

Give me a break mountainbike, the jews you know are okay but the one's you don't know you want to defame -- admit it you have a poster of Hitler in your bedroom!

""terrorist agenda"??? LOL.... That is funny. Like I said, we can deal with it now or later when the situation is worse. Obviously we all know where you stand. Stick your head in the sand and it will go away"

EXCELLENT POINT!!! we did that with Hitler!!! and look where that got us!!

yep, and a lot of people want to stick their head in the sand with Iran

DJ...go back to making chocolate covered strawberries. This administration is fully aware that the broad spectrum of Americans are in no mood for getting into another conflict.

DJ...Americans have enough problems right here at home...we're struggling...I know alot of young American men and women in uniform who are a little sick of this mess in the Middle East. They'll do their job if called upon...but to think they and America want another war is not being well informed.

You guys are right, but ever since The Great Depression it seems like the answer to economic problems has always been to crank up a war somewhere. Even though WE may believe they went to the war well once too often, that won't stop the the forces that are for more war, because they have the influence to see that their point of view will be heard while the vast majority will not be heard.

DJ

I am not an Obama fan but I am pretty sure he knows that if he gets us involved militarily with Iran or Syria he can kiss his reelection hopes good-bye. And that basically is what it comes down to.....he wants another term in the white house. The american people are fed up with trying to help out countries in the mideast and getting s### on

I just feel that we are waking up to the fact that Israel and the United States are not Siamese Twins joined at the hips. They fully are justified in security research and any commentary they want. Yet it seems they are in a veiled way making a call to arms. The country is just in a different place now and I don't believe autmatically parrots Israel any longer any more than Israel should parrot us. It seems like the general commentaries are of this same notion which kind of reconfirms it in my mind. I just don't think instantaneous kneejerk reactions that support any and all things Israel calls for are going to happen any longer

Oh boy, that pipeline again.

Listen, that pipeline is meant to deliver oil for EXPORT. We won't see a drop of it. On the contrary, our refineries that produce gas for us are going to have a relatively cheap source of oil reduced or cut off. It will be great for the Canadians though. They won't have to build any dirty refineries to refine their own oil sands AND will make more profit off their oil sands. Meanwhile we choke on our own soot and spills, a few refinery workers in Texas get jobs and the rest of us don't save squat at the pump. Oh and a lot of contract workers from Canada will largely fill all the supposed job creation the pipe would bring. But we will have the opportunity to serve them hamburgers!!

idk, I think canada should give us a big wad of money before we accept, at the very least.

Cirnobyl is correct...it is all for export. Otherwise why not just build the refineries right at the site where its produced and then ship the finished product from there? It seems like that if the plan was for OUR energy independence we'd be looking at that. All we've heard for years is that oil prices were climbing higher because our refining capacity was inadequate and no refineries were built in many years....here's a chance to address that in an area that's already going to be developed for energy related business. Instead they want to transport it many hundreds of miles to already overworked refineries? Why... I wonder?

Guess what? Oil is a market. So even if we were quite literally swimming in oil, prices would still go up because of the middle east. The only solution is to get away from oil.

Obama has the power to put a freeze on prices--but he won't. He has the power to open up our strategic oil reserves to preserve our fragile recovery-to keep prices down--but he won't. He could care less about "America."

He did that in mid-2011. Let's see what happened from TheHill.com 6/23/2011:

“Frankly, it’s pathetic that Democrats not only block domestic energy production at every turn,” House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said in a statement, “President Obama is now drawing down on our nation’s ‘strategic’ oil reserve which is intended for national emergencies, not as a political tool when a President is feeling heat over high gas prices.”

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House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) said the action is a “clear admission from the Obama administration that increasing domestic oil supplies will help lower costs. Unfortunately for the past two and a half years, the Obama administration has consistently blocked efforts to expand American energy production and actively placed moratoriums on domestic development.”

Canadians pay far more for gas than Americans do. The last time I visited Canada, gas cost over three dollars (Canadian) per liter, that would make it roughly 12 dollars per gallon. The money conversion at the time would have still placed it at ten dollars (US) per gallon or better, but that was not good either. The pipeline is a pipe dream that will only benefit one corporation, a couple of politicians and a few unemployed souls.

Knowing this, I would say that it's highly doubtful that they would give the US all the oil it needs and ignore the fact that Canadians actually need it more. Obama is the president, like it or not, this is a reality. However, I am not implying that anyone should agree with everything he does or says, just that they need to stop being immature.

Do either of you know what "commodity" really means? This oil would bring more to market and thus reduce prices...ever heard of "price and demand"...I was taught it in 2nd grade.

If this oil is going overseas it is for refining , because we have no refining capacity left in the US. Wouldn't it be much closer to China if they just piped it West to the Pacific? I'm sure there is a pass, or tunnel, or river they could follow thru the rockies.

He77, we blew tunnels thru the rockies for a train in the 1800's, why not for a pipeline?

This oil isn't going to add enough to the market to affect the price of gas. the oil was to be piped to Texas for refining and then sent overseas. It was not being sent to Texas just to be put on a ship.

"If this oil is going overseas it is for refining , because we have no refining capacity left in the US. Wouldn't it be much closer to China if they just piped it West to the Pacific? I'm sure there is a pass, or tunnel, or river they could follow thru the rockies."

You got it right.I read the other day,that is exactly what they are doing.They have a deal with China to export the oil.

Inform yourself. Israel is a nuclear-powered terrorist state that cannot get along with any of its neighbors. Israel plays poor mouth to get huge welfare money from the US and then spends it on nuclear warheads. Those are the facts and the biggest threat in the ME is Israel - always has been - and Israel is no friend of the US - have you forgotten the bombing of US ships? No - I am not Arab - I am an American who sees clearly what is happening the the ME and I am not prejudiced against Arabs - as you seem to be!

Yeah, that's right. The Arabs NEVER lie, threat, attempt strait blockades, send suicide bombers into cities and schools teeming with children or crash airplanes into buildings. Gotcha.

I see the brain dead anti -Semites are out in force this morning. *Sigh*.

"UNLESS you are an Arab"... And you've made the point that you think you're better than an Arab. That is exactly the reason Israel is so HATED in the world. Remember a group of people back in the 30's and 40's that thought they were better than everybody else? It didn't end very well. ;)

Sorry George you don't have your facts straight...probably have never been to Israel...an Israeli will push an Arab off the sidewalk...most of those Arabs/Muslims in Israel work in jobs the Israelis don't want to do...Israelis routinely take over Arab homes as observation posts (never an Israeli home)...Gaza Strip is the world's largest prison...and if all those rockets happened every day there would be an Israeli tank incursion or air strikes(justified strikes by Israel, too!). The Israelis treat Arabs in their country like we (America) treated the Indians...and the Israelis have a systematic process in place to dehumanize and humiliate the Arabs just like we (Americans) did to the Indians. Open your mind a little bit you are being used by the Israeli propaganda machine that is laying the groundwork for a strike on Iran....a strike that could bring on a recession, if not a depession in the US and Europe.

What you call rockets are nothing more then 4TH of July bottle rockes. How about your cluster bombs.

It seems to me America needs to get out of the region, we just can't afford it anymore. The wealthy "elites" in charge over there in the sand kingdoms probably have more money combined than the American economy right now. Why are we provoking another war we can't afford? Why? Why can't the brats over there get along?

America first! Complete middle-east pull-out of all American miltary personnel and harware. Let's heal ourselves for once, and stop worrying about the nutcases on the other side of the globe. They can kill each other off for all I care.

Since when was it their land? I recall it was refered to as "Palistine" (because Palistinians lived there) before the zionist moved in and started implementing some tactics they learned concerning "racial repression/resettlement" Still being practiced to this day BTW.

If someone moved into your house and made you go live in the shed because their great-great-great-great-great........grampa once lived there I think you would be upset, especially when they came out to the shed a little later and decided to settle in 1/2 of it with the intent to settle in the other half over time.

Since when was it their land?

Apparently, since God gave it to Abraham. Just another instance of violence perpetuated by religious fanatics.

Ron-975213,.."a strike that could bring on a recession, if not a depession in the US and Europe." That's what worries me the most. The "spectulators" are already having a field day at the office. Just think what they and the oil company's will do if this happens.

thank you george, couldn't have said it better.

Wait...and all along I thought George W. Bush controlled the price of oil....Thats what I heard for 8 yrs.

Just A. Man

Since when was it their land? I recall it was refered to as "Palistine" (because Palistinians lived there)

Palestine and Unicorns, we have heard of both of them, surely we have. But are they real ?

Has there ever been a "country" called Palestine

Has there ever been a "living Creature" called a Unicorn ?

Yasser Arafat is the father of the Palestinian people it is proudly said.

he inspired the intifada, he's the man who launched a thousand suicide bombers

please, name the Palestinian leader before the well known "terrorist" and by the way, where was Arafat born ?

the worlds most famous "Palestinian" is "infact" an Egyptian

Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini was born on 24 August 1929 in Cairo**

When you are born in Cairo, Egypt well before the Recognition of the state of Israel, you are an Egyptian, aren't you ?

Well Unicorns are Mythical Creatures, and it's just silly to try to prove their historical existence

what about Palestine, is there a historical basics for a Country called Palestine.(other than Islam will obliterate all)

I know the slogan,yet it is all I could find, for it is elusive, and very ill-defined

free Palestine

leaving out the part that "freeing it", will subjugate the human population.Condemning them to live under a harsh and unforgiving law, that's murderous and misogynistic to the core. ,sharia law ("Allah's" law) may not be changed by mortal man

How do you steal a country, that never was. Can I go to jail, if you say I stole your precious little Unicorn ?

I don't doubt that you love your Unicorn....But I don't have it,really I don't

read more at Palestine and Unicorns : what do we "really" know about them ?

Rockin2 Look up Hansar SS the Musilim world aligned its self with The nazi's in World war 2, Even Yasser Arafat was trained by the Nazi's, Get a Clue people they are the haters..

really good post george and dupas do you honestly think the jews were rich and in control in 48? the world yes the world owed them for ignoring them when the germans ( yes white christians that believed in god) were tring to wipe them off the earth! Isreal has the same right as Iran to survive. Isreal does not need our help with Iran. Let Iran try to take on Isreal. They deserve anything Isreal dishes out. We will stay out of it because Isreal doesnt need or want our help they can do it all themselves. Does anybody remember the 6 yes let me say it again folks 6 day war? GO GET 'EM ISREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont you people pay attention to what is going on in the mid east? Most of the arab nations want Isreal gone!!!!!!!! Isreal has had do things the way her enemies do things. Hence Isreal has had to adopt their methods. I dont blame them. The have every right to live and breath as Iran and I say again GO GET 'EM ISREAL!!!!!!!!!!

kpr, First, yes Arafat was born in Cairo, but he was not Egyptian, his parents were Palestinian and therefore NOT an Egyptian. Yes, there has never been a country called Palestine, but until 1948, there has never been a country called Israel. Also, a little known fact for you, but most Islamic countries are not ruled by Sharia Law (God's Law). Yes, there is a historical basis for a country called Palestine, because the land has been occupied by Palestinians for almost 2000 years.

U.S Citizen, the "Muslim world" did not align itself with the NAZIs. If fact, a large portion of it was occupied by NAZI Germany.

sjc12- Until you learn to spell ISRAEL correctly, your posts are pointless. You can't even chalk it up to a typo, since you wrote the same misspelling ten times. Sheesh.......

Palestine has been on maps since maps of the region were first made,so that is a non-starter for you Zionists.Yasser Arafat was born to Palestinian parents in Egypt,true.But almost all the Israeli leaders were born in other countries as well,so what was your point on that.There are 11 million Palestinians (either in Palestine/Israel) or as refugee's,they and their children,forced out of their homeland,in other countries.There are 5.9 million Israelis,40% or more born outside of Israel.Palestinians outnumber Israelis by almost double.

No one "forced" Japan to attack us. But you're right about Iran and nuclear weapons. The nuts who run that country are far too unstable to be trusted with a weapon like that.

Well, we kinda DID force (or cause) Japan to attack us, we froze all their assets in the US, and tried to cut them off from their oil supplies, which would have starved their economy and frozen their war machine. The Japs were expansionist but not crazy, they preferred NOT to attack us, but we forced them into a corner. Sound familiar?

As wacko as our "enemies" get, (and they ARE) when WE are put in their position, we seem to react the same way they do, except more violently, 'cause we can. I wish we would conduct ourselves more rationally, like a mature superpower, rather than a drunk teenager. I hope we do, now that we're not being LED by a drunk teenager.

Toasted Marshmullahs. What good will it do for the Iranians to have a bomb...Israel has 240 nuclear weapons to use against the first moron that fires one at them. It's called MAD, resulting in toasted marshmullahs all over Iran. (As well as millions of fine, innocent Iranian people.)

Keen. No we are now led by a crack head bi-sexual with a masters in community organizing..

oh, but he does have that nobel he "earned"......

Did someone say "Toasted?"

Actually, STexan - you're the one eating the propaganda. These are some of the most gutsy comments I've seen in a long time.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

Towing the party line based on the propaganda/lies (withough questioning any of it) is nothing short of cowardice.

Here it come again - if you disagree with the terrorist state of Israel you must be anti-semite. The posts here refuse to swallow the tripe being pushed by Israel, Britain, the US, France and other countries that continually threaten Iran and expect Iran not to retaliate. I assure you the world is watching and most of do not believe Israel is "a superior people or chosen or whatever" We believe that people of all countries have a right to defend themselves and no country should get a pass on being human.

Oh Yea. When your only answer is to call someone an anti-semite. It's worked for years though hasn't it.

The real question may be: does Netanyahu serve Israel's best interest?

OK. Play the anti-semite card so you can justify shutting yourself down and not listening to any one elses point of view. Real brilliant!

I'm not an anti-semite, but I do think Israel has been its own worst enemy for some time now. Let the Palestinians have a homeland of their own, and let them get on with building their lives, instead of forcing them to live in hopelessness. And we should stop letting Israel drag us into every conflict.

I think Texaacan you ought to read The Brish White Papers and studywhat Zionism is.

Isreal with the help of this countries coperations in line with Cheny, Paul Wolowitz and Walker Bush help the Zionisist movement and the displacement of four million Palestians using the Lakood and Mossad and the IDF. We wouldn't of had Hamas if Isreal hadn't gone into Lebanon. Some of you ,not all ought to know the definition of Zionism and how important it means to our interest and Iraelies.

Please,read abought it as our educational system hasn't taught U.S. History,let alone World History.

I'am first an American and I live by a code and swore an oath,but I will always seek the truth.Isreal got where it is to day by terrorism and our leaders condone it.Settlements are still displacing the Palestinians regardless of the pleas from our POTUS through Hillary Clinton. They have us roped.

If we do go to war with Iran. Israel will find a way to push the Iranians in ,or else stray of their reservation. Lastly, I'am not anti semitic as I'am a semite.

I'm with u Texan...notice any article at all about Israel and the anti-semite, Neo-Nazis are out in full force. What a bunch of propaganda bullsh*t you people are trying to stir up. Why don't ya'll go put on some SS uniforms and have a book burning at your town Hall tonight, and Burn hanging images of Jews and the Israeli flag. Definately alot of non-Christians and athiest strring the hate cauldron. This country is God's chosen. They haven't been attacked by three countries, 3 times, outnumbered 100 to 1 and still kicked the sand jockeys arses back into their own country for no reason. You want to defend a bunch of Muslim terrorists, people who hate Americans with the passion, and wouldn't have the decency to piss on your grave afterwards. When idiot Bush invaded Iraq, he took away our deterrent to keep Iran from causing more trouble then they already have. Now one of you want to wish the back-stabbing Russian Monguls and the care less about human life Chinese to take care of it??!!...what a bunch of hot air idiots...they're taking care of it alright...making sure countries like Iran, Syria, and others, have enough weapons, plutonium, and money so they can kick our only true ally out of the region...and the end result take over controlling all the oil in the region. Here we go again with the Republican propaganda pre-election finger pointing. Blame everything on the current administration when the truth is we are in this economic and Middle East mess because ofyour idiot, theiving, murdering president in the last administration. Bunch of rich, rich worshipping, pro Islamic, Satan loving, puppets of the Money god. How much are you people recieving from the Republican party to get on here in every article that has anything to do with politics, world news, or the frickin weather and somehow point fingers at the current adminstration. ACLU loving freaks, cursing this nation, favoring countries that would rather shoot you in the face, leave you to rot in the sun because they wouldn't have the compassion to bury you, rape your wife to death, and enslave your children to be brainwashed into Islam, and trained to walk into a market with a suicide bomb on their chest so they can kill not only men...but women and children too....YOU people are why this country is rotting at its seams....!!!!!

Sharp, you are anything but. Get some help dude.

Jeff....if help is listening to your comments and attitudes we are surely a screwed nation....dude....

Sharp,

Look at what Israel does. They systematically remove Palestinians from their land by bulldozing their houses, then the Israelis move in and build settlements. Then the Israelis call the people that fight for their land terrorists so people will feel sorry for Israel.

You also mentioned that many Muslims hate Americans. Well, gosh, I wonder why? Could it be that Israel is essentially our 51st state? This also has more to do with our constant meddling than a "hatred of our freedom." We had excellent relations with the Muslim nations until we started backing the terrorists in Israel and started intervening in Middle Eastern affairs by propping up corrupt regimes because it was good for business.

Well siad Republic.

Actually sTexan, the American public is getting more wise to how Israel and it's Zionist supporters have infiltrated our government, controlled our media and bribed our politicians.

Prior to the Iraq war, our own Pentagon was infested with Jewish lawyers, headed by Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, who planed the war and sold it by leaking untrue stories to Judy Miller of the NY Times, linking Iraq to the anthrax attacks and WMD.

Zionist warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death in this war based on lies.

Every casualty of the Iraq war is due to Israel and it's Zionist supporters, who lied about the dangers of Iraq in order to get America to attack. They cried wolf and there was no wolf. Now they have a new wolf, called Iran. Israel is the real wolf, sucking from the American taxpayer and staging false flag attacks. When gas doubles and triples, remember who is responsible.

Man,if you Zionists on these boards think the posters here are Nazis,SS,etc,for opposing Israels actions.You have no idea of what Nazis are.My goodness,in reading about WW2,I've seen Nazi propaganda and read about the crimes they committed.You should be so lucky,if the Nazis had only been like people here.I think the thing that upsets me the most about Israels actions,is that the Israeli people know what racial hatred can lead too.They know better than to do the same type of things to others as was done to them.Yet except for a courageous few they support Israels crimes against the Palestinians.The old saying,"those that forget history,are doomed to repeat it",seems to be lost on them.

Bob, spoken like a true intelligent man.

moonbase. But you trust a "community organizer" to run the most powerful army ever? You trust a crackhead with his finger on the button? Obama is as nuts as ahmdickhead is...just different priorities.

Ahmadickhead wants his country to become the most powerful...and obuttwad wants to bring our country to it's knees..much like Larry Sinclair (google it. He's obama's butt-buddy)

if Israel says it's so, then it must be gospel.

I think you mean "it must be Torah."

The media, specifically the channel you're currently using, is highly liberal. FYI. Not right wing.

Yup Ray, and our intelligent dedicated elected officials will side with him and send our sons and daughters to die for israel...

Spoken like the true Zionist that you are.

The problem with mountain bikers is that all the jarring destroys their already meager testicles and inhaling all those flies gives them the intelligence of an insect.

A Zionist is someone who believes in a Jewish homeland in Israel. I am proudly one.

Don't sweat it Pro...oh mountain biker rides his Harley to the tatoo shop to touch up his swastikas...before he attends his Biker neo-nazi meeting every weekend...people like him get uptight when Israel stands up for themselves...instead of being kicked around, slaughtered, and driven from their homes like they have for the last thousand years...love seeing an underdog who finally takes up for themselves when all the bullies on the block are trying to beat and humiliate them.....

It's not your homeland you murdering monster. You stole it. Plain and simple.The world does see it and that's what pisses you off. You are forever known in history as land stealing murdering thugs. People of the world know that.

mountain do you not know of Isreali history? They did not take anybodys land. They were put there by the World Powers (US Britan France). You need to change your history book.

mountainbike studied Israeli history with the Muslim Brotherhood, it's not his fault he's an idiot. He was taught to support support the countries around Israel that tie C-4 to their chests and blow up themselves along with everyone else buying milk at the grocery store to do "Allah's work against Christianity".

This will piss him off, watch. "God bless America and our allies"

You people are idiots. Go ahead, gang up on mountainbike8265, if you want.

All I have to say is that if this whole issue ends up in fomenting another war in the ME, I fully expect all the people who "stand with Israel" to enlist in the armed services and put your asses where your mouths are. And if you're too damned old or decrepid to sign up, then I expect you will send one or more your children (or grandchildren) to fight in your stead.

If you want to demonize the most westernized nation in the ME in order to start another useless war, then you can put some "skin in the game", as they say.

NOW, which one of you is going to post a rational retort to THAT?? I'll be right back after I go pop some popcorn....I wouldn't want to be hungry when all the comedy starts.....

Indy...whatever you terrorist loving fool....we have never gone and fought for Israel dammit...where do u people get that....Afghanistan was our retaliation for 9/11 and taking out Alqueda terrorist camps....Iraq was some kinda mental burp by an Idiot named Bush for a war I'm still trying to get...other than him, his vice president, and campaign contributors a way to line their pockets....I guess he felt he might get ahold of some oil...but to save me I can't figure that crazy decision of his out...to me it's true evidence the man was not all upstairs....but to sit there and blame Israel for the false info...we got the CIA...FBI...BlackOPPS...all kinds of cloak and dagger to know that and what it comes down to is a Bush lie to invade...now...I know you didn't say that but alot of here are saying it...but if you think we need to fight for Israel..u don't know your history...these people have kicked ass...surrounded and outnumbered 3 different times...and the only thing we did was send supplies....so no one would have to fight like you all our making up...or coming to crazy conclusions....personally....I would fight and stand with Israel because I know and you should know if you are Christian...not to go against them. All I know is when I did my stint in the Army...a time we were under threat of the Soviet Union...they were the enemy...and they STILL are...and like China...who treats humans like livestock....can't be trusted...and as long as a sorry state like Iran and whose president has said publicy he thinks Americans should all die, they shouldn't be trusted at all...trusting Iran is like trusting an alligator around a raw chicken....

Am I the only one who heard Bush say that Saddam tried to kill his daddy and he would get him for it.....it was on national TV. It was the same interview where he challenged Al Gore to a foot race for the Presidency.

Am I the only one who heard Bush say that Saddam tried to kill his daddy and he would get him for it.....it was on national TV. It was the same interview where he challenged Al Gore to a foot race for the Presidency

Yeah Louis...I remember that...and basically the man was so simple minded it had to do alot with his decision to invade Iraq...and he'd beat Al Gore in a footrace, cause he'd find a way to cheat to do it...just like he figured a way to win his first term by a bogus recount in a state where they punch holes in a paper ballot to vote...and just so happens his brother is the governor....

Our government doesnt actually check its bank account before it makes decisions. C'mon you know that.

The main problem is we HAVE to back Israel because they are just as crazy as the rest of the middle east and we know that. If they were attacked and we didn't back them...then they get pissed at us...and guess what, they have nukes as well as Mussad. Is a lose lose.

I'll agree with the OP when he agrees to put oil first so we no longer need anything IRAN has to offer. When he agrees that OIL is more important than where we drill in nature, more important than the location of an oil pipeline between Canada and the USA, more important than spilling millions of gallons of oil in the gulf. When he agrees to quit putting special interests ahead of the USA's current dependence on oil.

If we left the region right now, nothing would happen to the US. In fact, gas prices might actually go DOWN.

That was almost correct... IT should say.. If we left the region right now, nothing would happen to the US RIGHT NOW, and gas prices might actually go down. Gas prices might go down. And nothing would happen right now, but it is the long term problem of oil which is the problem that will eventually be realized. And the correct solution is to quit blaming the oil industry, "the rich", and start supporting oil expansion at home. Quit blocking an oil pipeline for example so that you can pander yourself to the special interest tree huggers or anyone else. Quit pushing oil wells farther off shore in an attempt to protect your shoreline while at the same time making it harder and more expensive to get the oil and making it harder to repair something when it needs repaired taking longer and causing more damage.

Who cares if some oil tycoon has millions of dollars and you don't.. life isn't fair... it never has been and it never will be. No government system, has ever made life more fair for anyone. Nothing ever can because fair is not a standard. Fair is different based on each persons viewpoint so it can never be achieved for the masses because the masses will never agree.

Yea....and? We DIDNT stay out of the middle east. Thats what caused this. The cold war left that place a crap hole and they blamed us for it.

Rand Paul has taken campaign money from Stormfront..a well known anti-Semetic organization...the only sane person to run would be someone completely independent from both parties...and he'd or she'd be assassinated at the first sign that they might win....