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Adolf Hitler purportedly fathered Jean-Marie Loret in 1917 with a 16-year-old French mistress.
New evidence has emerged to support the disputed theory that Adolf Hitler had a secret son in 1918 after an affair with a teenage French mistress, a French newsmagazine reported Friday.
The man, Jean-Marie Loret, died in 1985 after an eventful life that saw him join the French Resistance and fight German forces led by the man who the evidence suggests was his father.
Loret claimed to be Hitler's son in an autobiography he published in 1981. The claim has been hotly debated by historians ever since, with the weight of opinion concluding that the story was bunk.
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The new evidence — which includes handwriting analysis, documents indicating Hitler secretly supported the woman financially and paintings signed "Adolf Hitler" discovered in her home — is outlined by Le Point magazine, whose report Friday was widely picked up in the French media but largely ignored by German news outlets.
The evidence comes from Loret's lawyer, Francois Gibault, who said Loret's children could use it to establish a claim to royalties from Hitler's manifesto, "Mein Kampf."
Loret's 30-year-old autobiography is also expected to be republished to include the new evidence.
Loret's mother, Charlotte Lobjoie, was 16 when Hitler, who was a corporal serving with German forces in France in World War I, supposedly had an affair with her while on leave in 1917.
Loret wrote that his mother told him that she was working in a hayfield in Fournes-en-Weppe with other young women when they spotted the young soldier drawing on a sketch pad across the street. She was chosen to go ask him what he was doing.
"He was attentive and friendly," she told her son, and that sparked a relationship that lasted several weeks.
Read the Le Point story (in French)
Le Point writes:
One evening in June 1917, returning a little drunk from a night out with a friend, he [Hitler] got frisky with Charlotte. In March of the next year, a son was born. ...
Years passed, and Charlotte refused to talk about the mysterious circumstances of her son's birth. Destitute and vaguely shamed, she gave up custody of her son to another family in 1934.
His "real father" refused to see him but continued from time to seek to ask for news about him from his mother.
A few weeks before she died in the early '50s, Charlotte confessed to her son the true identity of her father. The shock was terrible.
In his 1981 book, "Your Father's Name Was Hitler," Loret wrote: "In order not to fall into anxiety, I worked tirelessly, never taking vacation — 20 years without going to a movie."
Le Point quoted Guibalt on Friday as saying that during the 1970s, however, Loret began seeking evidence of his parentage. He hired several experts: a historian, who visited his childhood home and questioned witnesses; a geneticist from the University of Heidelberg, who compared Hitler's and Loret's blood types; and a handwriting analyst, who compared their writings.
"All reached the same conclusion," Le Point reported. "Jean-Marie Loret was probably the son of Adolf Hitler."
See the handwriting comparison published by Le Point (.pdf)
"When he came to me in 1979, I had before me a lost man who did not know whether he wanted to be recognized as the son of Adolf Hitler," the magazine quoted Guibalt as saying.
"He experienced the feelings of many illegitimate children: the desire to discover his past, but also a fear of the old memories. I talked with him a lot, playing more the role of a psychologist than a lawyer," Guibalt said.
The magazine reported that the new evidence includes paintings signed "Adolf Hitler" — Hitler was a painter before going into politics — that were discovered in the attic of Lobjoie's home, as well as a Hitler-signed portrait of a woman believed to be Lobjoie that was discovered in Germany.
It also includes documents that Le Point said establish that officers of the Wehrmacht, the German armed forces, hand-delivered envelopes of cash to Lobjoie during the German occupation of France.
Loret, meanwhile, was with Resistance forces at the Maginot Line in 1939, Le Point reported, and in 1940, his unit fought a fierce battle against German troops in the Ardennes. During the German occupation, Loret worked as a Resistance spy under the name "Clement," it said.
Now, Gibault said, Loret's children could have a claim to royalties from "Mein Kampf," the philosophy of which Loret fought bitterly during World War II.
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Dont know why anyone would want royalties on that piece of garbage book. If i had a relative whom ordered millions of people killed i'd never admit to be related to them.
I thought Dick Cheney was Hitler's love child..
Last time I checked, they avoided talking about stuff like this, because you didn't want it to become known. There are many Hitler families living in the U.S. and around the world that have long since changed the name, and almost nobody knows who they are.
I thought Dick Cheney was Hitler.
Pull.
I can understand it, its said I may be related to another hate filled blood thirsty maniac but I refuse to believe I have any of his blood in me. Although, if proven true I would never admit it. And I wouldnt want to know to be honest.
Genetics means nothing.
A person's philosophies do not stem from their genetic makeup.
It's how Loret's family acts that is important. Not the heinous acts of one of their ancestors.
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I feel for Adolfs brothers kind of... they didn't have kids because they didn't want the hitler name to go on...
For the Dick Cheney comment (post 1.1) I bet if someone would have posted on here "I thought Obama was Hitlers love child" that comment would have been collapsed or deleted. I guess I don't get your meaningless humor.
Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau?
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Remember that senoirs and babyboomers come election time!
Who Won World War II?
Ahh The Banksters Won!
We All Lost.;-(
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
Dwight D. Eisenhower.
I also take offense at the Cheney comment. There is no comparison to Cheney and Hitler. It's preposterous to even suggest someone like Cheney who worked his way up in the Empire to Darth could be disrespected in such fashion.
But how cool would it be if the children of a guy who had actually fought against Hitler were entitled to benefit from Hitler's book of hate?
Incidentally, how is it that the royalties associated with Hitler's writings aren't going to a Holocaust foundation or something?
@Stull - Absolutely right, I personally detest Cheney, but your argument is still quite valid. A shame that few will acknowledge the unfair dichotomy.
I do not think that to be normal practice that descedents will give up money making opportunity resulting from relatives who had commited shameful acts.
I am not comparing this to Hitler, but it be noticed that some of our beloved fouding fathers raped by being first to have sex with their slave teendage (underfage) girls. None of their relatives gave up their wealth.
Life is as it is.
The words "Hitler" and "Love" closer than ten thousand characters of each other, is just plain wrong!
Poor guy. What a discovery. He worked 20 years just so he wouldn't think about his probable genetics. He has no responsibility for the acts of Adolph Hitler. NONE. He was innocent on all levels.
What happens to the "estate" of Hitler is a matter for the courts. I'm sure the law has caveats for the inheritance, reasons, and causes. It's not up to us to make that decision.
I hope Loret rests in peace. I'm sure history was a heavy burden for him.
Why is this even considered news? Hitlers love child has been dead since 1985. Big Whoop.
Goodness, can you imagine being in your 20's or 30's during the 1930's? Nor rock n roll, no NBA, no NFL, no TV, the most silly movies. No wonder they all lost their minds and wanted to kill each other.
I wonder how Hitler will react to these findings while he's having Dinner in a "Downfall" Parody?
Raj Patel
You are leaping quite a bit to make these accusations/connections as if they were fact. Yes, some of our founding fathers had slaves. Yes some slave owners had sex with their slaves. Sometimes it was rape. It probably happened that it was the first time for teen aged girls with some slave owners. But to connect those things together and say that some founding fathers raped teen aged slave girls is pushing it. Besides this at least one founder (Thomas Jefferson) tried to set his slaves free in life, was prevented but did so in death. Also btw - you mention their wealth - I don't know if any of the founding families still have wealth but I know that many of them lost their fortunes funding the Revolutionary War.
This vilification of American founding fathers was a Leninist strategy - I wonder why it still goes on?
Also btw - it wasn't but a couple centuries, by the time of the revolution since peasants began to have rights in England and Europe - and if you studied fuedalism it wasn't much different than slavery and in some ways worse - so the world has been wicked and though the American Revolution did not immediately end slavery it took a giant step forward for human rights and within less than another century the American experiment did end slavery. And to be fair England, under the leadership of a Christian parliamentarian (Wilberforce) who gave up his chances of being elected Prime Minister in order to fight slavery, helped to end slavery by outlawing it there first.
Life is as it is.
"For the Dick Cheney comment (post 1.1) I bet if someone would have posted on here "I thought Obama was Hitlers love child" that comment would have been collapsed or deleted. I guess I don't get your meaningless humor."
Sounds as plausible as Obama being a Kenyan born secret Muslim.
Well, the 30's sucked because of the depression, but I'm sure they called the 20's the Roaring 20's for a reason. Cars, motorcycles, airplanes, etc. were all advancing like crazy around those times. Must've been exciting as hell.
Ummm...even if Hitler kept a lover, first Geli Rabaul then Eva Braun, from 1925-1945?
Well, it was collapsed! And at last count it has 72 positive votes, most of any post in this thread!
Out of curiosity my father once picked up a copy of Mein Kampf at a thrift store and bought it because Deutschmarks totaling 100,000 were hidden inside of it. The book was lost in a subsequent move.
I would have no problem spending that money if it were found again (presuming the money had any value, I do not know if it was pre or post war) and I would have no problem knowing that my father had spent it on his family because his values were the polar opposite of Hitler's. Likewise, I have no problem with the children of a man who actually fought Hitler using royalties from this book. I rather enjoy the irony.
Genetics is capable of establishing whether this is true.
I agree with UnitedStates1776, It's people's actions that mark their character, and the children can be proud of the fact that their father fought fiercely AGAINST Hitler's forces in France during WW2, even if he was unaware of his biological father.
JrzWrld, Mein Kampf was written by Hitler and it appears that his heirs have a right to the monies made by the sale of that book whether you like it or not.
Why would they want it known they're direct descendants of Hitler? That a serious question?
$$, that's why :D
Come on now - we're a country where people everyday get up on Jerry and Maury Popovich or whatever his name is to talk about their unwholesome love for goats or ghosts or crush on their mom or whatever other icky stuff the producers want that day, in exchange for nothing more than 15 seconds of fame. They're French, true, but the French are trying their best to be American, so no wonder somebody'll get up to claim descent from Hitler in exchange for a chance at a big payday.
There's actually a sweet irony to it, that Hitler's son fought against him. A real-life Luke and Darth Vader relationship. Doubt it'll be more than a few years before Hollywood makes a movie out of this
Well said United. Blood isn't the determining factor of a person, actions are. I can only hope there would never be a person actually outed as a child of Hitler, there are too many people out there that would seek to judge every inch of that person and put them under a microscope.
There's no love there.
"Derek" Great quote from a great man!!
JK Rowling said it best. It matters not how a person is born, but what he grows to be. If Mr. Loret was a good man, he defied his genetics.
I wonder how many people here who knock the book actually have read it? It would seem that many people here are going wayyyyy beyond judging a book by its cover, by judging a book by its author. I dont know that that is a fair mentality to take. While I admittedly have not read it in its entirety, there are parts that I feel are valid (at least on paper).
I personally dont understand the "closed-mindedness" that so many people here have that prevents them from remaining objective and taking things at face value. Despite that, the real issue here is money, plain and simple. There is serious money at stake with regards to royalties, because there are still people in this world that take an interest in the world around them (good and bad) and that are able to find useful information in even the most controversial places.
Honestly ask yourselves this: "If you had the opportunity for your family to be financially stable for generations to come, simply by your name alone, would you really pass that up for the sake of what "complete strangers" think about your ancestors?" Many have done much less with much more.
PRIDE GOETH BEFORE THE FALL......
Amazing story. Neither one could write worth a damn.
I would want the royalties and then donate them to the victims of Hitler. There are many still alive. Or donate them to some type of organization, like Amnesty International.
"Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election." ~ Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
Genetics do not the person make--only the body.
Loret is in no way responsible for, or tarnished by, Hitler's horrendous crimes and poisonous philosophy. Though it was never necessary, he redeemed any connection to the monster by the way he lived his life.
I, personally, would not want any financial benefit from this abomination's book. Instead, I would seek to control the royalties, (hate that--nothing royal or majestic at all about his vile spew,) only to ensure that every single cent went to benefit the remaining holocaust victims, and then to educate the population of the world about his evil crimes and how to prevent them in the future.
The USA is only 236 years old - but our kill total far exceeds Hitler's...just sayin'.
Jerry Jerry Jerry...goat lovers?...somebody hit Happy Hour on the way home.
@ drainbramage
The bulk of our total kill count probably comes out of WW2. Just sayin'. : D
What do you mean, underage? I'm pretty sure the age of consent in Virginia at the time was something like 12, for girls of any race. The laws that make it 16, 17, or 18 in most states are actually fairly recent.
Maybe the laws changed since slave descendants started being constituents all the time in every state 48 years ago or less and now those rights are being twisted and trampled by Tea bagging governors....So if they weren't a part of the lawmaking process maybe their culture said it was wrong...Because it was..And it happened...People who say racism doesn't exist are generally bigots...Why give someone such a hard time when maybe they have historical proof that they are descendant of a forced sexual act by the aforementioned entities...After all the majority of slave breeding was forced to strengthen the gene pool,just like horses and dogs..You pukes that try to dismiss slavery and its evilness on so many inhuman levels are the ones keeping good racial relations in this country on hold..Stop teaching your kids your hate and naivete and just die off would you....Slavery was disgusting and we owe ourselves as a country to recognize this and learn from it,not sweep it under the rug,make excuses ( I didn't own any slaves I wasn't alive or for that matter, I wasn't a slave and you weren't either homie so just let it go) because the tenets of slavery are still alive today..The awful false added later to the english bible teachings about Ham are still out there and being taught....Which if they are taught to show their falsities that is great..But that isn't going on....Everybody just wants to forget the evil but if you do that we are doomed to repeat it...Kinda like a presidential candidate campaigning on abolishing tha child labor laws and the clown is a historian ? More like typical historical revisionist like the clowns who make the textbooks and curriculums and I am not talking about the ones you think..I am talking about the fools who leave out real history because it might be sensitive or inciteful...Or the clowns who don't teach how important seperation from organized religion was to the settling,independence and founding of the U.S. and instead teach that in god we trust is on our money and " under god" was always said and the pledge has always been done since George Washington told us to...
I, for once, have to agree with several of the conservative posters on here. To compare ANYONE to Adolf Hitler is despicable (Unless they actually have committed genocide or murder or any of the other hateful crimes the piece of @!$%# perpetrated). Much in the same way that I believe that the marine scout sniper squadron posing with a flag similar to that of the SS is despicable and offensive. Anyone who wrongly compares another person to whom I consider the most evil man to ever live is incredibly insensitive and offensive. Whether it's Obama, Dick Cheney, or anyone else, we don't need that kind of crap in this country, especially when it's not true.
Mike S; I'm pretty sure that the USA killed more in Vietnam than they did in WW2. The USA was only in WW2 for 3 years and 7+ months - the USSR had the most casualties.
The North Vietnamese and Vietcong carted off half their dead before they could be counted - so the estimated number of 1,100,000 is probably more like 2,000,000 killed.
Some say the CIA has led to as many as 6mil killed - we enabled places like East Timor to kill thousands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
There is another site dedicated to USA conflicts...we seem to be in everybodys business - as long as we can profit from it. There were 20 other countries with the same problems as Iraq when we went to war there - we didn't help those other countries because there was no resources to plunder.
i wonder if they have any dna evidence from hitler that could prove his claim. having paintings from hitler adds pretty good evidence for the claim. very interesting. i for one would not want to be his offspring.
I imagine it would be next to impossible to compare their DNA. The Russians still have a skull fragment they claim is Hitler's, but there is doubt as to whether it's really his. Other than this, there are no other known remains of Hitler.
There are living family members and his parents graves are known.
There is a source of DNA here in the USA. There are/were family members of Hitler in the United States. I'm not sure if they are still alive or not but there was a recent news special on them. His nephew moved to the US, had children and raised them here.
But his 'spiritual children' are alive everywhere...one will raise its head soon.
Yes indeed...many of those "spiritual children" exist at the core of what is known as the american republican party.
Hitler fathering a love child....ewwwwww....gross.
Yeah, hahaha, gross... In my Mind's Eye, I see Adolf Hitler dancing to Diana Ross singing "Love Child" BWahaha
Well the love child if he was his son was an innocent being and had the bravery to be a member of The French Resistance. We can't help who gave us birth but as adults we can make decsions. He picked the right team.
What....Hitler's not gay???
REPLY: I never would have thought someone could use "Hitler", "French" and "love" in the same headline!
Love is blind.
mrpotatohead2258438 - if Loret knew who his father was -- that would help explain his fighting the German Forces. What I am curious about is if he knew his background -- did he pass that information to his superiors in the underground? Because if they knew --- that would have been the ultimate leap of faith for accepting him into their ranks. For both himself and his superiors - they chose well.
I thought the article said that he did not learn who his father was until much later.
Of course the fuhrer could paint...a whole house two coats...one day.
Seriously, for a moment, it WOULD be possible to get DNA conformation - several of Hitler's great nephews are still alive in the US, the children of William Patrick Hitler, a nephew of Hitler's. In fact the youngest is three years YOUNGER than I am. One is a social worker, and another worked for the IRS before dying in a car accident.
So, let's get the tests done and see if there is a French branch of the Hitler family (one point of interest, BOTH the american and French branchs didn't like Hitler much, they BOTH fought against the Nazis during WWII)
Hungrymongoose, Renerman, et al - You say a lot of people have changed their name so as not be known as a relative of Hitler, or that his brothers and sisters couldn't have children because of the effect their uncle would have. For God's sake, pick up a history book! 1. Hitler was an only child, 2. Hitler's real name was Schickelgruber, and he was Austrian. He changed his name to Hitler because he thought it sounded more German.
The father Alois changed the name to Hitler not Adolph.
try not to make it up as you go along...
Hitler was an only child? You should tell that to his sister who had been interviewed numerous times after the war
I read somewhere that Hitler has cousins and Nieces and Nephews that live quietly on Long Island. That would be a place to start for the DNA. And also Hitlers parents. Their graves are known, so tests could be done on them as well.
the child raised suspicions from birth when the doctor in the delivery room noticed a small square patch of hair growing under the baby's nose......
@UncleFester --- Hitler was NOT an only child... He was one of only 2 to survive childhood, but he had in total 5 brothers and sisters. One sister, a younger one, survived him. His last name was actually the only last name he ever had... His father had been born illegitimately but his parents later married. He then took on the family name of Hitler, which was a variation of Hiedler. Adolf Hitler was always Adolf Hitler. He only would have been Schicklegruber if his fathers name had not been changed.
So yes, please go pick up a history book.
As an added bonus the Loret children can now legitimately claim being Rothschilds.
????What? I don't get the connection to the Rothschilds? Could you tell us how?
Hitler was only one quarter Rothschild Maria Schicklgruber - Wikipedia so it's doubtful whether his offspring have a sustainable claim, unless of course, they know a good lawyer.
Did this man ever know whether his mother had, or was ever treated for Syphilis? Mounting evidence Hitler likely suffered from neuro syphilis, probably since around 1909. Course, She could have copulated with Him without becoming infected. Very unlikely though. The evidence that He was infected is in fact circumstantial, but strong.
I wouldn't doubt that it is a Rothschild, they helped Hitler in the WW2....ironic isn't it? A Jewish offspring, Hitler's child.
Many think Hitler's own mother was Jewish. That has always been hard to understand considering how the Jews (and many other ethnic and racial groups) were treated by Hitler during WWII.
Regarding DNA - the National Geographic Genographic Project has taken DNA from a nephew of Hitler. His DNA is that of haplogroup E1b1b1 - one of the common Jewish haplogroups. A living male relative of Hitler (such as this nephew) could be compared to Jean-Marie Larot's DNA or that from a son of his.
National Geographic Genographic Project has taken DNA from a nephew of Hitler. His DNA is that of haplogroup E1b1b1
The E1b1b is a haplotype derived from the original Jewish J with an African admixture.It had no effect on actual philosophies or religion ,it is 1 of several markers used to determine a link to ancestral lineage.The "Jews" are one of the oldest human genetic lines identifiable in humans.They Semitics whom where a people that populated the ME for over 25,000 yrs.Jew only denotes 1 group that organized into a society and created a religion that became popular.The other major semitic groups converted to Christianity or were later forced to become muslim but they still carry the Jewish dna.
King Tut was R1a - Western European/Celt.
Hitler had several nieces,nephews and 1/2 siblings.A few of which immigrated to US.
That claim is not going to be legalized any time soon.
OMG! Shades of The Reeeevrnd Jesse Jacksoooon ! A love Child by a Corporal in the Army? What has this
world come to? I was raised in Post War Germany ! I wish I had a nickle for every "Love Child" I knew!
Viet Nam is country full of "Love Children". Oh! by the way Morons! The Present Occupant of the White
House is a "LOve Child"! His mother, Stanley Dunham was knocked up by that Kenyan Bigamist and Wife
Beater Obama Senior! Do some research !
Life is full of interesting ironies. Who would have imagined that philosophically, Hitler and his son were diametrically opposed? Maybe this world has a way of balancing out good and evil after all.
Great example! "That's not true! That's impossible!" lol
Proof that sometimes life imitates fiction. I think having Hitler as your father is worse than having Darth Vader as your father, though.
Jean I am your father "Nooooooooooooo"
@Hot in Miami:
I bet you dream of looking like the chick in the picture. Now really, show us your REAL photo and not your fantasy. LOL
Come on, comparing a fictional character, to a mass murderer, give your f'ing heads a shake.
@edmgeno
I agree with Grendel it was just an analogy. So If you want to pick a fight turn off your computer and go back to playing Hockey.
Freaking kids...always have to rebel against their parents!
Loret, bin ich Ihr Vater!
NEIIIIIIIIIIN!
Everyone knows the first three don't really count.
Me and my sister are the only children of our parents. Are you saying we don't count? If this is a joke, it's a bad one.
If genetics testing suggested such, then that's a pretty strong indicator.
I agree that the philosophy in the book is garbage but many colleges (miltary included) require it for reading so it is still widely sold. The royalties from the book are probably worth 10's of thousands and currently they go to the publishers. No reason that surviving family members shouldn't get a cut of the monies made from it when others are. One can't help the evils of their ancestors and perhaps they could use the book profits for good.
I'm pretty sure there are some holocaust survivors and their children who would lay claim to those Mein Kampf royalties before Loret's family can.
I don't know about the length of time for royalties in Germany, but I would think that Hitler's book would be now in the public domain. After all he has been dead for over 50 years. Can anyone confirm or refute that ?
See 1.14 above
Yeah, it was posted in a previous post (1.14). Assuming that the post is accurate it will be in the public domain in 2016.
Everybody please mark WillieHan87's posts advertising. I'd rather see comedic jabs at Darth Cheney than spam.
Marinmom.. That would be fair and appropriate as well but legally more tricky to implement. Perhaps the Loret family would make it happen, but one thing for sure is that the various publishers aren't sharing it.
"The Urhebergesetz is an authors’ right (“droit d’auteur”) or “monistic” style law. As such there is a special emphasis on the relation between the work and its actual author. The right is perceived as an aspect of the author’s general personality right and as a general rule is therefore inalienable. This also means that there is no corporate copyright in Germany and the fundamental rights cannot be transferred except by heritage."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Germany
It's hard all around. They probably need the money to keep food in their mouths. I doubt if they will have enough left over for furthering good or evil in this economy.
I feel for Mr. Loret. I would not want it to be known that Hitler was my father. I see no point in making myself the target of those who wanted to exact revenge. I can understand why he went through life devastated once his mother told him the truth.
If all the programs on the History Channel, Military Channel, etc. are to be believed, then the only remaining part of Hitler are the skull fragments in the KGB archives in Russia. I would most definitely hazard a guess that the Russians would not allow these fragments to be used for the sole purpose of DNA testing. If memory serves me correctly, Hitler had a brother and a sister, and I think the sister moved to the US before WWII. The only 'monument' bearing Hitler's name is the tombstone where his parents are buried.
I would leave well enough alone, and not stir up the past like this.
Stirring up the past is what historians do and what they should do.
You only need DNA from relatives to be able to prove it. There are 3 relatives of Hitler now living in Long Island NY. They are the children of Patrick Hitler (nephew to Adolph) who was the son of Hitler's half brother. He married and English women and they had a child Patrick Hitler,who was born in England and moved to America. He actual joined the US Army in the war. His sons are in their late 50's and live a non discript life.
@xman - thank you for the update. I learned something today
Ummm, the problem with the above statement is that Adolf's last name was not Hitler, it was Schickelgruber. So why aren't his brothers, nephews etc named Schickelgruber?
Actually bob-1003, Adolf Hitler's father was Alois Hitler. Alois Hitler's mother's maiden name was Schickelgruber - it was never Adolf Hitler's name. Maria Ann Schickelgruber had Alois illegitimately and later married Johann Georg Hiedler and eventually - for whatever reason - Alois assumed the surname Hitler as an alternative spelling to Hiedler. When Alois Hitler married Klara Polzl, they had 6 children - one of them being Adolf. Prior to marrying Klara, he had another wife/children - one of whom was Alois Hitler Jr. whose kids, grandkids, etc. are likely the ones that xman559 is referring to and would have the last name Hitler unless they decided to change it.
That's the way I understand the Hitler Family History from WikiPedia, Viewfinder.
This topic reminds me of the moovee Austin Powers , when Frau Farbissina introduces Dr.Evil to his long-lost son, Scott
Alois Hitler was born a bastard and named Schickelgruber but his name was changed to Hitler when his father acknowledged him years before Adolf was born. Read Toland's excellent biography on Adolf Hitler.
Maybe he wants to know the truth once and for all. Maybe he needs the money royalties would get him to pay the bills.
If it were me I would claim the royalties. I would then promptly turn around and give every cent away. Most probably to the Jews, the Poles, the gypsies, and any other 'group' purposely targets by the Nazis. I think it would be very fitting that any group that suffered due to Hitler benefit from his writings. A just use of the funds, IMHO.
Don't forget the Russians. Biggest losses by far.
After what the Russians did to the Poles and other people, including their own, they should get nothing.
Hitler also had Freemasons and Jehovah's Witnesses targeted as part of his final solution.
"Mein Kampf" is read as a "know your enemy" textbook.
Now it all makes sense -- Dick Cheney -- 5 deferment Dick another little corporal wanna-be ! Sorry Hitler Family, hate to bring shame to the Clan. Wondering if Karl Rove and Rush Limberger might be some of the evil Clan cousins as well.
Jarhead, you seem to have a very appropriate screenname. I bet that Jar is EMPTY !!!
Klondiko--you make an excellent point!! Hitler's hate and murderous perversion was not only aimed at Jews, but at ANYONE who was not pure German--"pure" as defined by him. I read that Hitler, within his group, referred to Russians as "black dogs" who were only good enough for slavery and nothing else. The torture and atrocities committed against Russian women and girls, babies, young children, the disabled and the elderly when his army invaded Russia were depraved, horrible and unspeakable--and then were murdered if they still lived. Russian people may well have been more targeted and suffered more death from that kind of depravity than anyone else. Many Red Army soldiers returned some of Hitler's "favors" when they invaded Germany by raping German women, but they allowed most of them to live, and they did not intentionally kill German children. Russian soldiers told my uncle that the children were the only ones who were innocent. This was certainly more merciful and honorable than the Nazi bast*rds who invaded their country.
You are full of doodoo, Tess. The Russians did not value human life and have been murderous bast*rds for all their history. They have always been totally brutal, no less so in WWII, and were not somehow more enlightened than the Nazis.
You are correct,sir. Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Dung killed far more people than Hitler.
The russians were ordered and did leave the children alone for the most part but only to subjucate them later,after all they needed workers and they could mold them...And yes raping women to have russian babies was part of the plan,just like all evil conquerers including some U.S. soldiers in various wars , Although not ordered to...not from the top directly anyway..But we have our own evil history so let's learn from it instead of demonizing and policing the world especially Europe Jeez how many troops are still there ? WW2 is over it's time to bring the troops home...If O could do it for Iraq maybe there is hope..
And there have been how many wars in the last 67 years in Western Europe? Oh, that's right, none. Not a coincidence. That having been said, we are spending nearly the same percentage of our GDP to defend Europe (not everything and everywhere else, just Europe) as the Europeans themselves do, more than some countries in fact. They need to do more for themselves, and we do less for them.
I can find no information that Hitler ever took time off from his war duties in WWI or that he spent any free time with a French lady. However, this does not mean that he did not. He did have an eye for the ladies and it seems that ladies for whatever reason had an eye for Hitler. Later on he and his driver used to sneak out at night and do bar hopping. Hitler always used the name of "Herr Wulf". He was never recognized. It is hard for all of us to imagine that such a monster could be so charming. I wonder if the French son had any children? That would mean that Hitler does have direct relatives alive in France. Glad to know that his son took an active role in fighting his father in France.
Psychopaths can be very charming. Otherwise they wouldn't be very good at being psychopaths.
Harry, Hitler's alleged encounter with the 16-year old girl was supposed to have occurred in 1917, before he became so completely obsessed, despotic and nuts.
A very good point, one that we should all remember as we go through life.
There was no love involved. He was drunk with a teenage girl. This story is not about a "lovechild".
Regardless, that is what is on most French minds, so that is what he was called. Would it have been better to call him a bas**rd?
please read the article and your questions will be answered.
"Having learned the awful truth, Loret resolved to shave his mustache and use a less greasy styling mousse in his hair."
Ok that one caught me off-guard. WD you owe me a new keyboard (mine is now splattered with coffee). Good one.
Good one, W.D.
When you dig up the past......all you get is dirty.
Then keep digging, because that's what us Historians are good at. I'd rather be dirty than in the truth and clean and lying (hiding the truth, if you will)
He was quoting Gideon to Chief Anderton in the Minority Report. But there's been a lot of fiction compared to what that monster did to the twentieth century.
Hey Buckley, if you like digging so much, why don't you dig that stick out of your ass?
Fighting with the French Resistance in 1939? That WOULD be an interesting resume. Considering the Nazis didn't invade until 1940. Does a lot for his credibility.
After the Nazi invasion of Poland in September 1939, French forces started to build along the maginot line. It's entirely possible Mr. Loret was stationed there.
The writer (of the magazine) said he was with resistance forces in 1939--he was on the Maginot Line in 1939, which seems accurate since it was being reinforced in 1939-1940. Whether or not the magazines in France call the forces prior to the invasion "Resistance" forces, I don't know. But, your point is moot--the man himself was on the Maginot Line in the correct era. No need to call the man's own credibility into question over a single word in a US article which might or might not be correctly summarizing a French article. See Johnson's comment, below.
There were no resistance forces in 1939. There were soldiers on the Maginot Line (which was completely useless, since Germans went around through Belgium !). And it was built before WWII. It was started after WWI, during the 30's if I remember my history, to protect France's frontiers.
Resistance came into force after June 18, 1940, when France was defeated. After General de Gaulle ran to England (and abandoned his post) and made his call to resist. Easy for him to call for resistance since he was away from the trouble (with wife and daughter no less).
The reporter has got it half-fixed now. The problem I pointed out was the word "Resistance." The Resistance didn't come into being until after France had capitulated. As for "hasty translation," it appears more fanciful than hasty. Nothing similar to "Resistance" appears in the line from the original article: "Jean-Marie Loret s'enrôle dès 1939 dans les corps francs qui se battirent en avant de la ligne Maginot." As for credibility, we shall see.
Why even bother mentioning this scum of the earth? What's the motive behind this article. Anything related to h i t l e r should not be mentioned anywhere. It's not worthy of any attention. I am done.
We have so many Hitlers in the world....this time they are not killing the Jews but the Arabs, Palestanians and may be very soon the Iranians. We need peace in the world. Hitler got away with his crime because nobody pay attention to his atrocities at that time until it was too late. We should eradicate hatred from the world.
Jewish people are being killed - and hatred seems to be on the upswing - even to the point of making victims of the Palestinians and Iranians.
But it was apparently worth your time to comment on it. Apparently not so "done" as you claim.
We can NEVER let the world forget Hitler! What we don't remember we are doomed to repeat and frankly I'd rather be a bit nauseous being reminded of what this stark raving mad psychopath did than have it happen again. Perhaps the last 30+ years of dumbing down our schools cutting all classes that aren't about making money or science has led to a population of opportunnists with little to no understanding of history and thus the ramifications of their actions.
Tjey're teaching science in the U.S. public schools? Could've fooled me!
oh for crying out loud Elfangel......Stalin and others were worst then Hitler....don't be so silly.
This isn't politics flag waver.. There is no 'lesser evil' with raving maniacs.
So punish the son for the father's crimes. Is that your take on life? I feel for you if it is. Most any family hasa few relatives that weren't such good people, maybe even yours. Stop being so judgemental. Judgemental and/or hateful people usually have lonely and/or sad lives.
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Oui, oui.
Wee-wee is what you do in the toilet.
Stalin was an ally of the USA. So were saddam, bin laden, and countless dictators. That does not make them worse than hitler.
Takenaka, I believe what is being referenced here is the number of people they killed. Stalin killed as many as Hitler if not more over the course of his career, and Mao had them both beat in that "competition."
Sacre Bleu !!!!
An error in the story, Loret would not be fighting with the Resistance at the Maginot Line in '39, because France wasn't invaded until 1940. Maybe he was stationed there while in the army, but not as a Resistance member.
You're right! Hasty translation on my fault. He was stationed there in 1939 but didn't fight the Germans until May 1940. I've moved the word "fighting" to put it in its proper place in history. Many thanks for the sharp eye.
Alex Johnson
msnbc.com
How do you mistranslate what is essentially a French word: resistance?
Easily. You mix up the l' with the d' in a French sentence.
Darth Vader vs. Luke Skywalker
Using the words "Hitler" and "love" in the same sentence is reprehensible.
no it's not. i LOVE knowing HITLER is dead.
jono --- rumor has it that hitler loved his dog "blondie".
Rumor also has it that Hitler loved to be pooped on. Ugh :(
Well, even pschopathic dictators need a hobby!
"rumor has it that hitler loved his dog "blondie"... (mr.p.h.)
Yep, he loved him to death... (oops! there goes that word 'love' again).. used the dog to test a dose of cyanide just before he committed justifiable homicide.
It is not proven that Hitler committed suicide. He and his mistress planned suicide with his high ranking friends and officers, but some evidence may point to others actually making him eat cyanide and spiriting his mistress away from the carnage that was in the bunker. You see, he may have chickened out and it was well known in certain circles Goebel was the mastermind and that a lot of his own men didn't like or actually hated him.
Do you have ANY actual facts to substantiate these comments, HShaver? "...but some evidence may point to others actually making him eat cyanide and spiriting his mistress away from the carnage that was in the bunker." What evidence? Where did his mistress go? Why would anyone take the trouble to 'spirit' Eva Hitler, nee Braun, anywhere? "...it was well known in certain circles Goebel was the mastermind and that a lot of his own men didn't like or actually hated him." What circles? Why did this mastermind then follow his fuhrer into death by killing himself, along with his wife and their children or do you have MORE evidence from CERTAIN circles that Joseph Goebbels is actually alive and well and living in Argentina?
Wikipedia article on this guy says that DNA of his chidren was used in 2008 to prove that there is no familial connection. Who is right? Wikipedia or MSNBC?
Sounds like Loret's mom may have chosen to ask more than one man what he was doing...
Oh, by all means, let's trust Wikipedia. Heaven knows that it can't possibly be inaccurate. In any case, it is equally possible that Loret's wife wasn't quite as faithful, even if the children do not match with Hitler relatives (all of whom might or might not have participated in the study).
Still, even Wikipedia does not say what you suggest. It says this:
And it says this:
This does not mean that the case is closed--in fact, the article doesn't even state baldly that Mulders did prove the point, just that this DNA evidence would allow him to and that he claimed that it did. It is just as likely that Mulders is fibbing, and the Wikipedia article is clear on that point.
MSNBC and Wikipedia make a lot of mistakes. Until they are better managed and written, I doubtr all information on these sites are true.
How useful is DNA if they were comparring it to offspring from a half brother? Wouldnt there would be enough differences to not get a 100% match?
"Obi Wan did not tell you the truth. Loret... I am your father! Come... join the dark side."
Now this is REAL NEWS isn't it ?
Not like we care about the situation in Syria ? or the condition of our highways? or our weak and getting more socialist public school system or that Obama (if that is his name) is giving away oil in the Bering Sea, refusing to utilize the Canadian oil via a pipeline, and the fact that the US of A is giving 80 billion, yep BILLION dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood as a reward from one muslim to another?
Naaah none of that is news but this Hitler piece is great news, really great. in fact some of us who have not become 'useful idiots' will pore over every detail and discuss it in our Coffee Shoppe’s and our book clubs for many days. Perhaps some of the ‘enlightened pastors’ like the so called Reverend Wright, will speak about it from the pulpit ?
It is just such a thrilling and timely news item. Not like the destruction of this Nation by an impostor, an avowed muslim, an avowed socialist and an avowed hater of America and all that America stands for.
josh bregan --- hitler hated the same way you do. you sure he's not related to you? does insanity run in your family?
Wow Josh! Lighten up and take a chill pill, huh? Life's too short to be so grumpy!
You are certainly caring on Hitler's bigotry. Have you checked out your forebears recently?,,,,,
josh --- uncap a suds and chill out. do you realize what you said makes you sound crazy?
Hmm...I really don't think America has much to worry about from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Besides, he's neither an impostor nor a socialist.
Josh Brogan is Hilter's SPIRITUAL son.
Are any of Josh Brogan's claims factual? If any are - it would be very sobering...
Josh - really? You actually believe that garbage you spew? Wow, yours is a sad existence. Our President is not a Muslim, and has done a lot more positive for the US than his predecessor. Additionally it is pour not pore in the context in which you used the word, and your grammar and sentence structure need work. So for you to refer to others as idiots is, well, really idiotic. The Canadian pipeline that you refer too was not going to create the plethora of jobs that the lobbyists and Tea Party wanted you to believe it would, something like 1,000 vs. the 20,000 to 100,000 numbers these folks were putting out.
The reason that evil continues to spread as it does is that so many are willing to believe outrageous accusations that people like you put out there, because of their own hate and prejudice, and then they continue to perpetuate the lies and hatred, and it grows and grows.
Try getting your facts straight, even if it means getting them from a source other than Fox News. I don't think folks mind good back and forth political debate as long as it has some basis in reality which your doesn't. Open your mind instead of your mouth Josh, and try if you can, to listen to and read from as many sources as possible before writing dumb stuff. OK, guy? I bet you and probably at least half the people who post on this newsvine wouldn't dream of doing it if you had to put your real name, and other identifying info.
Josh forgot to put his tinfoil hat on this morning before he posted. For his next post he'll blather on about how the moon landings were faked.
Josh, drink a beer and chill out , NOW.
Dangerous Mind, you made ME spit out my lemonade onto my laptop screen. The inside of my nose holes hurts.
Skye, Josh's use of the word pore was dictionary correct. Sorry... I gotta correct you on that.
I wanted also to give my reason of why "... evil continues to spread as it does", but I did not want to be accused of wearing the TinFoil Hat. I'll give the reason on a more apropos NewsVine article.
@Josh Brogan
Fact is big guy, if you want to wallow in the cess pool of politics, I'm sure there's scores of other forums you can dive in.. As far as this one is concerned, I see it as a break, a recess if you will, from the constant declaration of determining which evil should lead us into oblivion, so... why don't you just click that mouse and entertain yourself on another channel.. Don't worry, we can get along without you.
Isn't the book in the public domain now?
German copyright laws let copyrights run far longer at the time of the publication of the book than they would've here. At the time Hitler wrote the book, the longest U.S. copyright available was 56 years (28 years with one renewal allowed, not automatic) as opposed to German law, life of the author plus 70 years, meaning the book enters P.D. in Germany in 2016 (beginning of the year after the 70th anniversary of author's death). Interestingly, under current U.S. law, copyright is for 95 years after author's death, or 95 years after its assignment to a corporation. The first U.S. edition of Mein Kampf, IIRC, was a "pirated" edition published by some American progressives (including Alan Cranston, later a U.S. Senator from California) done to publicize how dangerous the man and his ideas were before he was even widely known over here.
Hitler actually has relatives in patchouge, Long Island. His nephew(William) fathered 4 boys. 2 are dead and two are still alive. They are not married and have no children. A DNA sample from either of these two men (assuming they agree) could verify/dimiss Loret's claims. His other nephew ( his half brother's sons) Heinz was a comitted party member and part of the german military. he was captured by the Soviets and tortured to death, during WWII.
I'm not sure if that would or wouldn't... AFAIK, when tracking through multiple generations like that, they really can only track mitochondrial DNA. Of course, if there is some clear, rare, hereditary marker gene, then I suppose paternal DNA would work, but other than that, I think it would have to be traced via the Maternal mitochondrial DNA, which would require a female line from Hitler's mother down to a known female descendant.
Even if paternity could be established--something like 2 in 10 children are not actually the children of the father they are supposed to be the children of.
So, Hitler's father, his sibling, the sibling's child, and then the grandchildren of the sibling--that's a fairly loose connection back to Hitler. One could perhaps confirm a relationship in this way, but not really disprove one.
This explains Ann Coulter personality
You beat me to this one, but I was thinking Fred Phelps. Oedipus couldn't have come up with a wilder story. If I was this guy it wouldn't bother me abit. You get to choose your friends, not your family. Besides he fought the Nazis, and Der Fueher wasn't his father, just his sire !
hmmmmm. I wonder, Romney speaks French.
Romney, Rommel ? I'm just sayin !
Actually Rommel's son Manfred was the Mayor of Stuttgart when I was there. He refused to run for any higher office, at least in part because he didn't want to be elected on the basis of people who were perhaps looking to return to the "glory days of the past". He was good friends with George S. Patton, III, also an American general who commanded the U.S. unit based in Stuttgart, the old VII Corps. They ate lunch together weekly, until he (Patton) was rotated out. (A later sucessor in that position was Colin Powell, who also knew Manfred Rommel well.)