Report: UK anti-terror plan to sweep up email, phone, online records

Data on all phone calls, text messages, email traffic and online visits would be stored for a year in vast databases under a new anti-terrorism plan in Britain, The Telegraph reported Saturday on its website.

The report, which did not cite sources, said that phone companies and broadband providers would be ordered to store the information themselves for a year for security services’ “real-time” inspection under the plan. Contents of phone calls, texts or emails would not be recorded, The Telegraph said, but the databases would retain the phone numbers and email addresses sent from and to.


And the plan would reach into social networking for the first time, The Telegraph reported, allowing security services to get information about direct messages between users of Facebook, Twitter and similar sites, and even between players in online video games.

The Telegraph said the government had been negotiating with Internet companies for two months and the plan could be announced as early as May.

The newspaper noted that there could be concerns over civil liberties issues and over the security of the records themselves.

It wasn’t clear if the plan applied only to domestic communications or whether international calls, texts and tweets would be swept up in the databases. The newspaper described the plan as a reworking of a proposal abandoned in 2009 by the previous Labour government amid a storm of criticism.

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George Orwell must be spinning in his grave.

  • 43 votes
#1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:03 PM EST

My first thought was "1984"

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:11 PM EST

this is the kind of stuff that makes me want to get rid of my computer,cell phone, and land line. I was on call for 35 years with the UP railroad. When I retired I threw my cell phone in a drawer and left if there. Big brother has been here for a long time. I don't do anything that I'm ashamed of. I pretend my mother is sitting next to me at all times. After saying that I've also taped a piece of paper over my computers camera.

Don't be surprised if Wiki leaks comes up with some crap on the NSA,CIA,or the FBI. It's only a matter of time.

  • 18 votes
#1.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:52 PM EST

Remember that old Alice Cooper song...Welcome to my nightmare? It should make a comeback.

  • 14 votes
#1.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:10 AM EST

Hitler would LOVE this!!

So it should NEVER HAPPEN!

  • 20 votes
#1.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:38 AM EST
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All I hear is a bunch of nobodies worried about, in reality, nobody being interested in thier boring lives.

I think you are all interested in your lives infinitely more than anyone else on the face of the planet will be.

Get real. Maybe it will help solve crimes and make us safer. Who cares if your mom told you about a sale for tomatoes.

Losers....

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:49 AM EST

Another (hickensh!t that needs the gov't to take care of him!! What were doing and saying is nobodys business, especially the gov't!! Thier already taking away our freedoms because of sheep like you that doesn't care about his rights!!!

  • 11 votes
#1.6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:08 AM EST

Those who willingly forfeit freedom for security deserve neither freedom or security. (Thomas Jefferson)

  • 19 votes
#1.7 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:45 AM EST

Was there another movie named Brazil , where the guy was labeled a terrorist because he had proof the government was spreading false info ? not sure of the name

    #1.8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:02 AM EST

    The criminals will just use the Trac or other "pay as you say" phone.

    So this would only affect the non-crimnals.. **Yea Orwell You got this one right!!!

    • 7 votes
    #1.9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:19 AM EST

    The US can't do it without a lot of flac so they get the UK to do it.Just like they are doing with Israel and Iran.

    • 3 votes
    #1.10 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:01 AM EST

    This is a great move on the part of the British government. The USA will no doubt follow suit soon. If giving up all privacy would save just one life, we should do it!

    Only those who have something to hide are worried about being watched.

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:03 AM EST

    Time to go back to the drums and smoke signals.

    Follow suit.... What do you mean follow. We are leading....

    • 6 votes
    #1.12 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:07 AM EST

    Holly Terrorist Batman, governments looks more and more like the terrorist or the ones we should be most concerned about. Yes Boy Wonder "Any man can transform himself into something else, something beyond reason..beyond super terrorist” I give you governments gone wild!

    • 8 votes
    #1.13 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:57 AM EST

    I came in to make the exact same comment. The irony that the Soviets are beaten and the UK voluntarily becomes Orwellian.

    • 9 votes
    #1.14 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:00 AM EST

    A Tale of Government.

    Democracy went to war with communism and won an ideological war but we lost the moral war. Capitalism has now failed not because of ideology but because of GREED. Our own corruption creates poverty. Our own corruption sends us out to foreign wars, not our own, in order to expand 'freedom' all the while we bankrupt tax paying Americans. Nice going. Take care of America first. No more foreign aid of any kind until America is solvent and there is not one child going hungry. Then we can re-think foreign aid.

    Control all through central banking (NOT). We are now at the point of central banking thought and speech (data bank). Remember that the value we place on a dollar is in the mind (fiat). Not a good sign of things to come.

    • 10 votes
    #1.15 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST

    DP-188 It isn't about what you are saying or not saying.

    1) Privacy is a simple human need.

    2) It leads to a legally slippery slope .

    3) Whenever a human feels like someone is listening to them it changes their behavior. It has immediate consequences on their creativity and free thought. For example: If I am divising a new computer code, or painting a picture --and I think someone is looking over my shoulder and questioning ...I am more likely to be more conservative and less inventive. It is human nature.

    We don't need to be constantly looking over our shoulder in America. What has made America great is our ability to think and create freely. ( yes, I know this article is about the UK) America created yahoo, google, onbase, the Internet...we are AMAZING! WE have some of the best hospitals, engineering firms and universities in the world It is our diversity and ingenuity that got us here, don't let big brother or big corporation destroy this by taking away our privacy.

    • 8 votes
    #1.16 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:38 AM EST

    It already is. Search "echelon".

    • 1 vote
    #1.17 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:51 AM EST

    I would love to be naive enough to be able to say that would never happen here, but I know the reality is that Hillary, Holder, Napolitano and their their ilk would consider this an Orwellian dream come true! It is most likely coming here all too too soon. Scary stuff!

    • 6 votes
    #1.18 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST

    Freedom and Liberty were seen weeping.

    .

    • 4 votes
    #1.20 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:12 AM EST

    Soon they are going to retire paper money too. You will be stamped. Without the stamp you won't be able to trade. They will track what you buy, what you sell, what you say, who you talk to. If they don't like you, they will turn off your chip and it will be as if you never existed.

    Why is this bad? Why should we be alarmed? Let me explain why: Because you are a slave Neo.

    Google for "How do banks create money" to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes. The matrix is real. You are only a battery to them, paying interest for money that they create out of nothing. You work for an entire lifetime to support the lifestyle of a fat cat banker who does not contribute to the society. You would be a free man if you had the strength to refuse to borrow at interest. Then we could all afford things that we need cash down.

    • 3 votes
    #1.21 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:05 PM EST

    I will say this once again (but probably not the last time) for the benefit of DP and Shandril. A people under the constant, unregulated, unfettered surveillance of their government are not and cannot be free. Actions such as those proposed by the UK government rob the people of their essential liberty. Without privacy (whether or not Shandril we have anything to hide) we are devoid of freedom and become the slaves of the government. We become afraid to exercise the liberty and freedom that belong to us as human beings. Our liberty is NOT granted to us by the government but is the consequence of merely being human. The PEOPLE create governments to protect their freedom and when the government fails in that undertaking it is time to change the government through all possible legal means. Anyone thinking this type of action is warranted in order to secure his or her safety has no idea what living in a democracy is about. Even as a constitutuional monarchy, this action by the British government is beyond any legitimate bounds of governmental authority and is an affront to the freedom and liberty of the British people.

    • 2 votes
    #1.22 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST

    To sharpen your point, jm--it's about human dignity. It's why we put doors on rest room stalls--or, I don't know, Shandril, maybe we should get rid of those too? After all, who knows what evil can go on behind a rest-room-stall door...

    These people do not believe in human dignity. To them, since anyone can do an evil act, everyone must be monitored at all times. And pray tell, who watches the watchers?...

    • 2 votes
    #1.23 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST

    Gordon, always a good quote, and should be applied literally to the idiots that are for this senseless monitoring bull crap, but it was Franklin not Jefferson that said that.

    • 1 vote
    #1.24 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:57 PM EST
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    Pretty sad that the UK is looking to join in the removal of civil rights and liberties. Maybe folks are right when they say that totalitarianism is making a come back.

    • 26 votes
    Reply#2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:16 PM EST

    Pretty sad that the UK is looking to join in the removal of civil rights and liberties. Maybe folks are right when they say that totalitarianism is making a come back.

    Im sure alot of the western world is watching to see if they can get away with it. If so it wont be long before its happening in the US..

    • 18 votes
    #2.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:22 PM EST

    Too late Sam, ours beat them to it years ago.

    • 21 votes
    #2.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:26 PM EST

    It's been happening here in the US for longer than you realize. Canada listens to our phone conversations, for the US govt, which gives it plausible deniable, and we do the same for Canada. Don't kid yourself, 1984 has been and is working since 1991, if not before. And it's going to get worse, no matter which political party is in charge.

    • 16 votes
    #2.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:28 PM EST

    Yup...the US has been spying on her citizens at liberty sans any form of warrants for decades. The NSA also acts as the hub for a worldwide signals surveillance co-operative known as ECHELON. The US in concert with the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand monitor 'data traffic and chatter' from all parts of the globe.

    Now that technology for mass surveillance has matured to a sufficient level, Governments are ramping up their intrusion on citizens without their knowledge or consent.

    And don't think for a minute that sensible, liberal Europe hasn't joined in on this either. They have.

    Fear generated by Governments allows them to instigate such practices with little resistance from populations...."it's in your best interests and allows your government to protect you". Thing is, who protects the citizens from the government?

    STASI-like mass surveillance is alive and as strong as ever folks.

    • 15 votes
    #2.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:26 AM EST

    While I 100% agree that it sucks that govt's are spying on it's very own citizens, just read the news on a daily basis, there is a whole bunch of incompetince out there. Now, you take 50 to 100 million people every hour(probably more) texting, tweeting, emailing, video chatting, on-line gaming, that crap face book and all of the Zynga games, cell phone chitter-chatter, etc. etc. and unless you are really a threat to any one, or you use words that are on their list( I am certain I have pissed off a bunch of these douche wads[I am certain that douche wad/bag/nozzle is on that list] as I have dissed George Bush and Dick Head Cheney every chance I get) it is going to be so much freaking information, that they can not hire enough people to sift through it all. And, I guarantee, that several million people world wide will use these words not even knowing or caring, and possibly millions more will use them just to piss the dumbasses off that have to review every damn word that every damn one of us say. And people think that accountants have a boring, tedious job. Good luck Big Bro, keep sifting through all of the sh!t stains on the internet, while the real terrorists go back to old school and do every thing they can to not leave a trail such as the one I just left.

    • 3 votes
    #2.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:52 AM EST

    bryan-2876208 #2.5,

    They probably utilize computers to do their sifting. Better pray that programmers associated with this effort are neither incompetent nor have a sick sense of humor, no telling what could happen to any of us.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:57 AM EST

    Seems the Bible had it wrong, the Number of the Beast isn't 666, it's ones and zeroes.

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:05 AM EST

    1010011010 - if you want the binary form.

    • 3 votes
    #2.8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:53 AM EST

    I wonder how many people saying this is Britain trampling on human rights are the same people who say Britain should just ignore the European Court of Human Rights and send (Islamic Hate Preacher) Abu Qatada to Jordan regardless of whether they use torture to extract confessions?

      #2.9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 AM EST

      culheath:

      There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.

      Regards.

      • 1 vote
      #2.10 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:10 PM EST

      hahahahaha

        #2.11 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:14 PM EST
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        Contents of phone calls, texts or emails would not be recorded, The Telegraph said, but the databases would retain the phone numbers and email addresses sent from and to.

        First off, horse$hit, they'll store every last bit of data, if they didn't it wouldn't be worth a thing and second, I don't understand why they just don't ask our government as they've already been doing it for years.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:23 PM EST

        Well, if they store this info for a bit, or even a longer bit than that(what exactly is a bit?) it seriously wont matter, unless of course, you are truly up to no good, but they damn sure better make sure others can not retrieve or contaminate that stored info. It is supposed to be By the People, For the People, but it hasn't been that way for a very long time, and it is pretty much too late to bitch about it now. We could even revolt in this country the way they have recently across the pond, but even that wont matter, as the new regime would soon set up even more spying, only they would be smart enough to completely do it on their very own secret terms. I hate to even state it, but it has been happening, it is going to continue to happen, and there really isn't any thing any of us can do about it. If nothing else, maybe all this spying will prevent such absurd crimes such as that idiot who killed his two little boys and himself in a house fire, but I doubt it.

          #3.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:04 AM EST

          The UK doesn't want to be ;piggybacking over the US for info already gathered. Don't you understand the necesity of "saving face," i.e. not be looking to Uncle Sam???

          I suspect this move has a lot more to do with gathering info from the would-be terrorists (Islamic, mainly of course, but hopefully the "homegrown" ones with the blue eys and brown or blonde hair.)

          You people can say what you want, but Ill bet double Mitt Romney's $10,000 bet that if push comse to shove the majority of these brave posters would fold and say, "anything that will keep me safe from those mean others," massa is relying on the self-preservation instinct to let them have their way with the population, both the "evil" and the "good" governments.

            #3.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM EST
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            I wonder how much involvement our country had with this decision. It pisses me off beyond understanding how much $hit we're putting other countries through because of our unpopularity around the world. If I was president of the US I would apologize to the UK and let them know that these invasions of privacy are completely unnecessary.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:30 PM EST

            Don't be so fast to put this on the US. England has a history of screwing with other people. Scots, Irish, Welsh. They tried to exterminate the celts. That's ancient history. Don't be confused. Don't let the smoke and mirrors blind you.

            • 11 votes
            #4.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:56 PM EST

            xoa ... your posting begins with "I wonder" and ends with a demand for an apoloogy from the president! As bigdaddy pointed out, other countries are perfectly capable of invading the privacy of their citizens without prompting from the US. London as more surveillance cameras per capita than anywhere else in the world. Is the US responsible for that?

            • 1 vote
            #4.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:25 AM EST

            As a British Celt living in Britain (the integral countries have been connected longer than most US States have been in the Union so I don't know why Americans keep thinking of them different, suppressed and colonized entities - there's no border controls, no diminished rights and the Scots get far more spending per capita from the Treasury than the English - unless their Scots living in England) I don't feel either screwed or bitter. Why should I?

            However, if you want an example of a disparity of US vs. UK/ Rest of World relations try this....

            A British student living in Britain had a site listing links to downloads of TV programmes is now awaiting extradition to the US for breaking various US copyright laws - however he has committed no crime under UK law. (He lives in Britain, the servers he used were solely in Scandinavia, the links were all third party and uploaded by other people.)

            Whereas if a British person uses (US companies) Twitter, Blogger, Facebook, etc. to commit libel, incitement to murder, incitement to racial hatred, incitement to terrorism, etc. it is virtually impossible to get hold of their identity (or have them removed) because under the US Constitution they have committed no offence (freedom of speech) and so US law is decided to trump anybody else's.

            This even goes down to extremist British hate groups (particularly Neo-Nazi and Animal Rights) deliberately using US-based servers to publish hitlists and what retribution has been meted out. All to make it harder to be prosecuted under British law.

            Then there is the case of George Exoo, the euthanist, who worked mainly in Oregon. He assists suicides (legal in Oregon); he went to Ireland and assisted a suicide (where it's against the law) then went home. Ireland wanted to extradite him for his crime under their law; the US said he hasn't broken our law and refused.

            As for CCTV cameras in London - they don't make any bleedin' difference - didn't stop the 7/7 terror attacks! The only purpose they serve is to help spot trouble as it starts and find perpetrators after the event.

            Quite a few email companies use keyword searches to search your email so they can target adverts and phone companies already keep records of phonecalls and texts (which we're reminded of every time someone's prosecuted for mowing someone down halfway through writing a text message when the phone company produces the half-finished text message).

              #4.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:59 AM EST

              Where is your evidence that the US has anything to do with this? Don't you think England (today's UK) hasn't already got a centuries-long history of dividin people into the elite and the common folk, and gradations in between. England got security cameras on the street sa lot earlier than we, and in the US they aren't ncesssarily that frequent.

              How do you think England held on to its European power, also its colonial possessions for so lon?By acting Sunday School teacherish and encouraging rebels to demonstrate, debate, etc. Hell know particularly thses days any goverment in the world would have a swiftly fulfilled death wish if it abandoned all snoopiing practices or stopped developing ever more efficient ones. Question is, do we want to becomoe extinct while dissing those who want to continue to live in a world of enemies? If you're tired of living and don't want to put up with your country's surveillance, then move elsewhere, be happy with what joy you get out of life, or......you have the ultimate power over your own life n the end.

                #4.4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST
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                I dont know why the politicians dont just go on national tv and tear up consititutions and state they will defy all the laws they want and give people the middle finger, Because what they actually do isnt much different.

                • 13 votes
                Reply#5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:34 PM EST

                Don't forget, the UK doesn't have a written constitution. As long as it passes the appropriate enabling legislation, there's nothing illegal about this plan.

                  #5.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:26 AM EST

                  Apart from the 1215 Magna Carta.

                  And the 1689 Bill of Rights.

                  And the 1988 Human Rights Act.

                  However, this story (or very similar) has come up every six months since 9/11 and nothing's ever come of it.

                  This doesn't even have a 'sources close to XX' credit for its primary assertion!

                    #5.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:07 AM EST
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                    Nightmarish that it's come to this.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:38 PM EST

                    What makes this so much more tragic is, this is not how anyone with a brain communicates if they are up to no good.. This will only catch the dumb people.

                    Say goodbye to any liberty or freedom you thought you had.. Your only hope is to bail on these countries and immigrate somewhere out of their control, and hope it remains out of their control atleast for your life time. Opportunity has pretty much dried up anyway, so moving is not that bad an idea anyway. Its my plan. Getting the hell out of Dodge, as soon as possible. I just hope its soon enough, before they remove the right to leave too.

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:49 PM EST

                    Let's see. The current problems started because the Great Powers practiced colonialism and then let the oil companies step in when the Powers left. The Middle Eastern countries kicked out the oil companies and took over for themselves but had to hire the oil companies back to run the business. The Powers then stepped in to provide "Protection" for the new governments and the oil workers as well as provide weapons to the newly rich countries. They then went to fighting among themselves untill some sort of equilibrium was reached with the US in the middle of it all. Extremists then stood up against the occupiers and we have the problems we have today from all this. If we weren't afraid that we'd lose access to oil we could leave them to their own intrigues and let them implode into states like Iran, Israel would disappear, and new relations could be built with competition among the new Great Powers. I wonder if we could survive that any better than we could survive this?

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:54 PM EST

                    ^^^^^Bingo!. Agree 100% Now that religion excuse......

                      #8.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:57 AM EST
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                      fox , so called new's, they hack everyone

                        Reply#9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 AM EST

                        Except you jesse,you're not that damn important. Now do you feel better or left out?

                        • 1 vote
                        #9.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:00 AM EST
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                        What would happen if no one voted for anyone running for president and we elected someone that we actually think would protect our civil liberties and the Constitution?

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#10 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:05 AM EST

                        I will agree to run for President, and I'll guarantee all the civil liberties delineated in the U.S. Constitution.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:26 AM EST

                        The people don't vote for the President, the Electoral College does. The people just tell the delegates who they would prefer and hope they go along.

                        • 9 votes
                        #10.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:24 AM EST

                        I'll vote for you. I was ready to vote for Plain Bob but he disapperared. The UK has surveillance cameras EVERYWHERE so this evesdropping biz is nothing new. The New World Order needs to know what each and every one of us is doing at all times. Obama signed the NDAA into law New Year's eve and Bush got the Patriot Act, which really started the ball rolling. Now they watch what books you check out of the library. Now they watch your kid's lunch, soon the drones will be flying over America and Homeland Security has a budget that rivals the military while being in charge of every police action in the country. Nice to feel so safe, isn't it?

                        • 5 votes
                        #10.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:26 AM EST

                        Ron Paul 2012!!!!!!

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:12 AM EST

                        Obama signed the NDAA into law New Year's eve

                        NDAA wasn't Obama's idea, and he even inserted a signing note regarding it. Blame the Republicans for sticking it into must-have legislation.

                        • 3 votes
                        #10.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:28 AM EST

                        Barry, hate to tell you the truth here but Obama's hand is large and deep in the NDAA. He didn't have to sign it and his signing statements are complete BS. They mean nothing, they aren't law and the law, as written, is now law of the land. Make excuses for Obama all day long, at the end of the day, he's the one responsible. Note as well, most democrats were for it. Blaming Republicans, especially since the bill originated in the Senate, well, it might satisfy some angst, but the DEMOCRATS are the majority in the senate and they're behind it 100%. Ron Paul is one of the very few who voted against it, but then, he's crazy...

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST

                        mygirl,

                        his veto would not have mattered, it had more then 3/4ths vote in both chambers of Congress and would have been overridden. Not to say he should not have done it anyway, it will always be one of the few large and many small problems I have with Obama.

                          #10.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:01 PM EST
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                          Thank Islam!

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#11 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:37 AM EST

                          This is just shifting costs , the gov't wants the public to pay for the the expences .So making the Telecomm co.to do so for them and then the telecomm co. goes and charges the users some kind of fee...... that pays for the gov't s storing gazillions of phone calls ,emails and ect....Taxes are unpopulr ........

                          And on that note UK beem spying on every body for a long time now ..........go to london , cameras are in every corner........

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#12 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:40 AM EST

                          O Joy! Guess I'll update the spies on our bowel habits...maybe the animals too...whaddya think? It might not generate any real interest or concern but you can bet your @$$ there will be laughing:)

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#13 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:49 AM EST

                          Can the practice be implemented around the world? How does this practice have conflict with First Amendment?

                          Is it legal to screen all telecommunication? We should not be charged for the practice.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#14 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:51 AM EST

                          Echelon....look it up phriends

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#15 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:57 AM EST

                          They could get all that crap from Rupert Murdoch couldn't they?

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#16 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:17 AM EST

                          I'd rather the government be in the business rather than feel sorry later. Seems they can't win either direction- one way it is not enough and the next it is too much. Please- be in my business. If there is nothing to hide than it should not be a problem.

                            Reply#17 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:18 AM EST

                            Except that anything can be the government's business. Have nothing to hide? Seems that 'food hoarders' are watched as potential terrorists. Certain religious groups ditto. Ever attend a protest? Teaparty? OWS? Have some extreme views on drinking raw milk? Watch out, lots of things are 'suspicious' these days and merit watching.

                            • 7 votes
                            #17.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:29 AM EST

                            The problem isn't with you not having something to hide. How do you prove your inocence-a negative? I once listened to an Ex-FBI official who blew the whistle on Hoover and other top officials about secret golf courses they had bought with government money and used for their own purposes. Immediately he was arrested and charged with crimes by the FBI. He spent the next 10 years proving his inocense. After 10 years a judge finally ordered the FBI to release his file. He said the file contained enough evidence that they could prove he was any one of 5 places at the same time, all they needed to do was cherry-pick what evidence to use. The average person does not have enought resources to fight these things.

                            • 4 votes
                            #17.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:46 AM EST

                            Really? "If there is nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about." Are you really that naive? WWII 6 million Jews slaughtered by a government watching out for its citizenry. Cambodia 1979-1980+ approximately 2 million people slaughtered by a government. Care to explain to me what these 8 million people had done to deserve their fates?

                            Do you happen to have a 4 year old in day school? If so, have the food police relieved that child of the lunch you prepared because the crap they serve is better for your little one? Are you really so weak willed and ignorant that you need the government in every aspect of your life? If so, move to Cuba or N. Korea. Those governments to a wonderful job of making sure their citizens are safe, secure, and well taken care of..

                            People like you make me puke. No offense intended..

                            • 5 votes
                            #17.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:51 AM EST

                            Hey, Heazzer--if you were living in Germany in 1932 and had a bunch of Jewish friends, you would have been targeted by the Nazis, regardless that you thought you didn't have anything to hide. What the government deems criminal isn't necessarily what you would consider criminal...

                            • 1 vote
                            #17.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST
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                            It makes one wonder what in the hell is going on in that country. Is multiculturalism getting to an unsustainable and an uncontrollable level? I've read that there are ethnic and religious neighborhoods there that no one, including the police, dare go into to.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#18 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:54 AM EST

                            Is this post ironic? Im only asking because of youre screen name :) If you are being serious, I can categorically say no, there arent areas in England that the police or people dare not go to, there are certain places where you should exert caution, but I suspect that is the case everywhere on the planet. And none of this has anything to do with multi culturalism.

                              #18.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST

                              Do you even know the defintion of irony? Any way here are links that proves "categorically" apparently you do not know the definition of categorically either because it means with absolute certainty and these three links out of dozens prove you wrong. I am sorry to have to show you just how inept you are but you should not have attacked me before knowing the facts.

                              Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims

                              No Go areas for white people in England

                              The Rise of Islamic No-Go Zones | FrontPage Magazine

                              And this has everything to do with multiculturalism.

                                #18.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:57 PM EST

                                Yes, you angry little man, i do know the definition. You clearly don't, how embarassing. Look it up again, read my post carefully, then read your post carefully. And link me something thats not from some rightwing US source. I actually live here. And stop shouting. Blimey.

                                  #18.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM EST

                                  PS - re: the telegraph report - did you only read the parts that suited your agenda? What about the people that called 'bollocks' in the same article, and called him a scaremongerer? Hardly categorical proof is it?

                                    #18.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST
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                                    This has great potential to be a strong weapon in the ongoing fight against the cult of death, destruction, and hate called "Islam", as well as providing an indisputable clue that Great Britain is committed at the highest levels to putting an end to the Muslim infestation for the betterment and enlightenment of others . . .

                                    Burn a Qur'an and barbecue Bull's-Eye® Memphis Style pork ribs for Elvis and Jesus!™

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                                    Reply#19 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:07 AM EST

                                    "This has great potential to be a strong weapon in the ongoing fight against the cult of death, destruction, and hate called "Islam","

                                    From posts like that,I know the truth isn't high on your radar.But still you might want to know,the reason the British started the ball rolling with cameras,and all.Wasn't because of Muslims,it was the Irish IRA bombings they were afraid of.

                                      #19.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 PM EST
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                                      Thanks, Muslims.

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                                      Reply#20 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:26 AM EST

                                      Anyone remember the former USSR? Remember the Warsaw Pact countries? Remember China, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.?

                                      The "West" use to comment all the time on how these countries and entities spied on it's own people. In fact the West often used spying on it's own people to show the difference between Communism and Democracy.

                                      Now, the West claims it needs to do the very same thing that "we" criticize Communism and Socialism for. Ironic, in that most of Europe is all ready following Socialism footsteps. On the other side of the coin, when the West wants too, it can not only implement but improve on whats the Communist did.

                                      Now, when will the West going to spend billions to watch our enemies? Remember, no government can protect it's people 100% of the time. Any leader that says they can is a liar. Enemies such as Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. I'm willing to bet we spend more watching our own people than we do on our enemies.

                                      Notice this article mentions nothing how the UK has caved in to Muslim society. Allowing Sharia Law as one example. Not slowing down it's immigration from Muslim countries ...

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                                      Reply#21 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:35 AM EST

                                      <It makes one wonder what in the hell is going on in that country.>

                                      This is also going on in Canada and it's coming here as well. It's not about multiculturalism or religion; it's about control, absolute control.

                                      SOPA, PIPA, ACTA are just the beginning. Monitoring our words, our actions, our correspondence. You never know when someone may say something they don't like. Mind you, the "they" changes with each election. And all of this so called evidence can be manipulated against you. I can make a video that puts you some place you've never been. Think of what these "authorities" can do with their resources. Haven't you noticed how hackers and file-sharers get worse sentences than rapists and sometimes even murderers? Why? Doesn't it strike you as insane?

                                      It sounds silly but take a good look at the Harry Potter books. The Ministry is not the good guy. They want control. They persecute those who say anything against them. They stick their heads in the sand when it comes to the real danger. Doesn't that describe the governments of the UK, Canada, and the US? A thinly-veiled comment on our times, I believe.

                                      We must act but we can't use violence. Be aware of what the media isn't telling you. Use the internet while you can. It may soon turn into crap.

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                                      Reply#23 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:43 AM EST

                                      Mind you, the "they" changes with each election

                                      That's a very telling point. So often, these arguments devolve into right/left recriminations when the issue is whether governments in general should have this sort of power...

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                                      #23.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:54 PM EST
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                                      If it were not for nuclear proliferation I would side with privacy advocates.

                                        Reply#24 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:47 AM EST

                                        We have an operation in Langley where every text, email, phone call, cell and land line, goes thru a large hub that is scanning for key words, phrases and persons. I don't think that our system is saving the info, but I am sure we can if we wish to. The drones are coming quickly.

                                        Homeland security! What a hoot!!!!

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                                        Reply#25 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:48 AM EST

                                        It has to sort through website online visits? I wonder how much time and money will be spent on tracking people looking up porn?

                                          Reply#27 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:29 AM EST

                                          we have such a thing here in the US now, and it dictates ISPs are supposed record everything we do (keeping a minimum of the last 18 months on file) for the sole purpose of monitoring for child porn. The bill doesn't even have anything to do with terrorism in this case. Look up PCFIPA if you've never heard of it.

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                                          #27.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:52 AM EST
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