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Updated at 1:26 p.m. ET: ABBOTTABAD, Pakistan -- Crews on Saturday began demolishing the compound where al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. forces in May, eliminating a concrete reminder of the painful and embarrassing chapter in the country's history.
Two residents told The Associated Press the government brought in three mechanized backhoes Saturday afternoon and began destroying the tall outer walls of the three-story compound after sunset. They set up floodlights so they could work after dark.
The residents spoke on condition of anonymity because they were afraid of being harassed by government authorities.
A senior Pakistani government official later told NBC News the compound was "80 percent demolished."
Future plans for the lot include the construction of "a nice park" -- with green areas and benches -- that will be built "within a month," a senior government official told NBC News.
The demolition team conducted its work under heavy security. A large team of police set up an outer cordon around the compound to keep spectators away, said an Associated Press reporter who managed to get close enough to see the demolition work under way.
Sultan Mehmood / EPA
Workers on Saturday demolish the compound where Osama bin Laden was killed, in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
A ring of army soldiers set up an inner cordon and warmed themselves against the winter chill by lighting a bonfire.
The backhoes broke through tall outer boundary walls that ringed a courtyard where one of the U.S. helicopters crashed during the operation to kill the al-Qaida chief. They then began to tear down the compound itself.
Earlier, several Pakistani soldiers arrived in the area and moved heavy machinery near the building, fueling rumors of an imminent demolition, local residents in Bilal town in Abbottabad district told NBC News.
Some residents said Pakistani security forces and police were already deployed in the area to stop people trying to go toward the compound. But, they said, fresh contingents of troops arrived and cordoned it off from all sides Saturday evening.
One resident said power supply to the city had been suspended and all routes to the area blocked by the security forces.
The compound has been a painful reminder for Pakistan, which was embarrassed by the unilateral U.S. operation that killed bin Laden.
Residents of the normally sleepy town of Abbottabad were divided on what the government should do with the compound in the aftermath of the raid. Some thought it should be destroyed, but others believed it should be turned into a tourist attraction to help the town earn money. There was always the danger, however, that it could also draw al-Qaida supporters.
American officials said they buried bin Laden's body at sea to avoid giving his followers a burial place that could become a makeshift shrine.
Many U.S. officials expressed disbelief that bin Laden could have lived in Abbottabad for around six years without the Pakistani government knowing. But the U.S. has not found any evidence that senior Pakistani officials knew the al-Qaida chief's whereabouts.
The U.S. did not give Pakistan advance warning of the raid, which lasted about 40 minutes, because it was worried someone in the country's military or shadowy intelligence agency would tip off bin Laden.
The operation was a serious blow to the already troubled U.S.-Pakistan relationship. Pakistan responded to the raid by kicking out more than 100 U.S. troops training Pakistanis in counterterrorism operations and reduced the level of intelligence cooperation.
Drone crash
Ties between the U.S. and Pakistan have also been strained by American drone strikes targeting Taliban and al-Qaida militants in the country's northwest tribal region near the Afghan border.
A suspected U.S. drone crashed Saturday in the North Waziristan tribal area, the main sanctuary for militants along the border, said Pakistani intelligence officials and local residents.
The unmanned aircraft went down near Mir Ali, one of the main towns in North Waziristan, said the intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.
The drone caught fire after it hit the ground and was believed to have crashed because of technical problems, they said.
Local resident Nasir Khan said he saw the burning debris from the roof of his home in the Machi Khel area. It was about 500 yards from his house.
Pakistani officials often criticize drone strikes as a violation of the country's sovereignty, but the government is widely believed to have supported the covert CIA-run program in the past. That cooperation has come under strain as the relationship with the U.S. has deteriorated.
The U.S. refuses to speak openly about the program, but officials have said privately that the strikes have killed senior Taliban and al-Qaida commanders.
The Associated Press and NBC's Mushtaq Yusufzai contributed to this story.
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surprised they found it..
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Yeah Pakistan, tear down the compound of shame! But then again, I'm halfway surprised they did not turn it into a museum and a national heritage site! In Pakistan either /or is entirely possible.
If you keep telling a lie over and over again, does that ever make it true?
Osama Bin Laden died in 2001.
But get ready people, we that can easily see through lies and truth are slowly becoming a minority.
And to all of you who think this comment is ridiculous ---- why do you still believe this garbage after all of the proof you have seen to the contrary?
Say what?
Someone's off her meds. I think that tin-foil hat may be on too tight...
Pakistan received approximately 18 billion in military and economic aid from the United States. In February 2010, the Obama administration requested an additional 3 billion in aid, for a total of 20.7 billion. ....
Why use a backhoe? Just blast the thing with some TNT, that would get rid of it.
@hungrymongoose "And to all of you who think this comment is ridiculous ---- why do you still believe this garbage after all of the proof you have seen to the contrary?"
Haha, funny how often tin foilers think that responding to the assumed reaction will deter people from posting their reaction.
Your comment is ridiculous, and that last part of your comment isn't going to stop anyone from saying it.
Pakistan's government isn't denying his presence there as they demolish this building.
who gives a crap it's just a house...
Instead of a park, how about a nice waterfall like we have at ground zero!
A park?..How about an added few square yards for the landfill that whole country really is.
I'm with plain bob...it's just a friggin house...a house worth millions no less, and they demolish it just to save a little face and credibility....HOW SILLY....NO HOW IDIOTIC...... folks woulda paid big bcks to own that house!!!!!!!!!
stonepipe, Brookhaven John, and xOa.cake,
If I were getting paid to post here, I would diligently look up a 100% truth factual report about how Osama bin Laden died in 2001. I would include all the juicy details about Madeleine Albright and fake Osama bin Laden ("admission of 9/11 responsibility") video tapes that were "found". It would be a masterpiece.
Do your own homework.
Stay strong American Brothers.
There is going to be a waste treatment plant built on the site.
What it's surprising is that they are demolishing it. They could make some money and open a "Bin Ladden Museum" They were protecting him already. This is just a facade.
Pakistan is trying to erase the evidence of their duplicity by destroying the house. I can guarantee that some in the ISI knew exactly where bin Laden was living. At least they are not turning it into some kind of museum for the al-Qaeda faithful to gather around as a shrine. They are trying to eliminate the evidence of the collusion of their ISI with al-Qaeda
@hungrymoose - If you really had access to such a report, you would post a link to it. Just because you can make something up about a report does not make it true. I think you need to go to the doctor and have your meds adjusted. And for the record, you are definitely not my "brother," more like the crazy third uncle.
JS,
Go take two tylenol, have a seat, and read David Ray Griffin's book Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive?written in 2009.
Then get back to me.
Let's see if that park is dedicated or in memory of Osama Bin Ladin first. Disgrace my a@@. I doubt these b@stards even care what people think. They're just sorry that we put out that a-hole, who was probably paying them off to keep quiet.
they had to demolish it so they could build a shrine
Look how the President is handling the koran burnings in Afghanistan! If Bin Laden were taken alive they'd put him in Gitmo. Where the ACLU would be demanding he had a right to trial. Any intel from him would be bull$--t or not admissable in court because of how it was obtained. Then you would have Obama opologizing for that too! Which would empower Bin Laden by showing his followers our leaders incompetence. Political ploy or a look alike Bin Laden either way the best thing to do would be kill him. Hell if this was 2002 you could have strung him up with piano wire in Times Square,"Mussolini style"! One thing for sure look for bricks from the compound to show up on Ebay!
Hungrymongoose
With all due respect David Ray Griffen is a crackpot. He has no credibility in any of the books he wrote. You can choose to believe what he writes, but I suspect your views towards conspiracies, cover ups, and US government deceit existed long before 9/11. It is always easy for a person to find other people who agree with what ever theory one wants to create.
I can assure you OBL was killed in 2011, not by the Easter Bunny or the Lone Ranger, but by a highly trained SEAL team. Eventhough I am happy he was killed, I question the media portraying Obama as a hero for executing him, while Bush was the goat for torturing KSM for more information, keeping him alive and well. But that is the liberal media.
I am no fan of Obama but I am glad he continued many of Bush's policies towards terrorism, they may be some of the few international success he has had.
As to the story, I question the destruction of the compound. In a place like Pakistan, it could have likely filled a good use and was valuable. Perhaps the ISI wanted to cover up some of their own mis steps.
I agree with you fenderbluesir. I just wish we could see him court, telling excuses ! just one time would be enough..............
osama bin laden memorial park
Reeding between the lines it says : Pakistan is building a memorial park for Bin Ladin, offcourse they will not name it as such officialy.
Note to pakis:No park , build some public restrooms in that spot , it makes moore Economical sense .There are 350+ million Americans(not to mention the others) that would like to pi$$ and $h!t on that spot. ....Think about all the TOURISM $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.............It will do moore good for your people then a park in that spot.......
Once the building is gone want to bet that within a year they will be denying that it even existed and the whole operation is a US story.
"mechanized backhoes". Now what is that? Oh, I guess that is to differentiate it from a "Mexican dragline". I really didn't know that they even had "mechanized backhoes" in that backward country.
Pity that land title searches are not straightforward in that sh**hole seventh-century Islamic Republic called Pakistan. Then we'd know exactly who owned the land, who leased or sold it, and which agencies and contractors sought planning permission for the concrete structures built on it.
As it stands now, the Pakki ISI are presumed to be totally complicit because (to date) even they have been unable to prove that they were not. See a Pakki, see a congenital liar with his palm outstretched muttering, "Buckshees, buckshees."
I'm most curious as to why they moved all this equipment into the area and are performing the demolition under cover of darkness. Something about this operation has a foul odor of coverup.
At LAR..........What credibility does Obama have? Hungrymongoose has every right to believe David Ray G. because the evidence actually favors his book by a long shot! There is NO credible evidense to support Obama.
And what "evidence" would that be? Evidence manufactured by some crackpot, or twisted out of proportion by someone on the payroll of the Republican party?
I'm a political moron, and even I know people will say whatever you want them to say, and manufacture whatever "evidence" would be required if it meant a six-figure paycheck.
Time to turn a leaf. Go Pakistan!
To Dante Goldburg...
Put me in that line man. I'll pay big $. :D
Rest in pieces OBL. In the words of Chris Tucker... PAYBACK'S A MFer AINT IT? :P
A good beginning for the blackmailing and backstabbing Pakis!
Despite a huge army with nukes and “most feared” intelligence, less than 100 US Navy seals took out their most protected guest within40 minutes!
Naturally, the next should be their intelligence and army headquarters to be demolished!
If people are to be punished for their failures, demolishing should be with the top personnel inside these headquarters!
Did David Ray Griffin also write the Elvis is Alive book? Idiotic Conspiracy Theorist
They tore it down without notice at night? Shocking. I mean if they did it during the day and announced it a few days in advance they might have had some nasty protests by Al Queda supporters that turned violent. More Idiotic Conspiracy crap.
Blow it up with TNT? Idiot, how about we blow up the house next to yours with TNT so that you and your family/home can be hurt, destroyed or even killed.
A park is a nice idea, however I think a better one wood have been a very nondescript apartment building or office building. Something that could never become a gathering place for those who supported Bin Laden. Something that 10 years from now would not be remembered at all by just about anyone.
To those who hate Afghanistan and/or Muslims in general...the people of that country have gone through hell with Bin Laden and the Taliban, they are slowly coming out of it. The government must walk a fine line and not appear to be a US Puppet, if they fail in that then the people won't support them. Your very hatred of the country and Muslims makes that necessary.
Think, drop the hate and learn respect. Only people you show some respect for will ever trust you and ultimately become an ally. Lead by example, with kindness and love...the more you whip and hate, the harder they will resist.
Or to put it in the vernacular:
You catch more flies with sugar than salt.
They need to build a fish pond on that site to remind everyone that bin Laden became fish food.
hungrymongose,
can you just go away?... I suppose the aliens and bigfoots are telling you that the loch ness monster is fake too.
I think Bush 2 benefited more from Osama being killed more than any Democrat would/did. The Bush family is tight with Saudi Arabia - Osama was the scape goat for both Bush and his Saudi oil buddies...if Osama is allowed to talk - it won't/wouldn't be liberals who would be doing the squirming. Obama covered GW Bush's ass, and, it looked pretty planned to me...these guys know that to continue to get away with what they do - sometimes that means putting aside party affiliation and doing what is best for their bosses - Big Business.
For something that the USA supposedly wasn't in on - they sure maximized the potential for monetary benefits/gains. They couldn't respond to Katrina or Gulf oil spills for months, but seemed to be poised to jump on the gravy train of profits to be made from 9/11...and from every angle, instantaneously.
kio3459,
If I am wrong on this issue, tell me where I am wrong. Otherwise, telling someone to go away, for no reason, destroys your credibility and reveals how completely weak you are.
@hungrymoose - I am still waiting for the link to that report you claimed to have access to. Citing a book by some author who is a known conspiracy theorist and loon is not the same thing. Hell, the author you cite thinks Elvis is still alive!!! This book is not the same thing as the report you claim exists. Either provide the link to the report or admit you made the whole thing up and just go away.
I see they are trying to get back some of that Aid money, what a bunch of two face people.
JS in SD,
I will reply to your ignorance.
On the accessmylibrary website, you can find in the "International Wire archives from December 2003" section, in the article "All-Star Panel" (taken from a December 17, 2003 broadcast of Fox Special Report With Brit Hume) ---- direct quotes of Morton Kondracke revealing how his conversation with Secretary of State Madeleine Albright happened. In this article, he states "There were other people present; they thought she was -- that she was serious, too." This was referring to how she told him "that the administration already has Usama bin Laden and is waiting for the politically opportune moment to make it known."( <-- quote from Brit Hume earlier in the broadcast)
As for the fake Osama bin Laden video "dated" November 9 and released on December 13, 2001 where he "admits" responsibility ---- you can go to the whatreallyhappened website, and find the article "The Fake 2001 bin Laden Video Tape". In that article, if you don't think (by now what is highly common knowledge) that this tape is fake ---- fake because it's a different person in the video, and not Osama bin Laden ---- I have some ocean front property to sell you in Kansas.
Get your head out of the sand (or wherever it might be).
People, how long are you going to accept lies as truth?
Still no link?
Hungrymongose
BUSTED!
Here is the link http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-111405742/all-star-panel.html
I went to the website you mentioned, it was just a joke. You should reallly spend more time reading the entre articles and not just looking for what you so desperately seek.
ron,
What "link"? From what "report"?
Go back to my posts, if you can read comprehensively, and really concentrate this time ---- and ask yourself ---- did I really say, or suggest that I had link from a report.
I just gave hints of information of a true story that everyone hates to believe. Where you came up from a "link" of a "report", I don't know.
(Wow, why do I feel like it's me against the world sometimes?)
Hungrymongoose, hints from a story you apparently cannot back up and thus cannot prove it's truth. Sounds like you backed yourself into a corner and are now trying to get out of it. You talk about others accepting lies as truth. Sounds like you are doing a pretty good job of that yourself.
gee mongoose - there's a NIGERIAN attempted airplane bomber who is CONVINCED that Osama bin FISHBAIT is still alive, too. allahu fucbar
Ed-NavDoc,
Yes I have backed myself into a corner, the corner of truth. Truth just happens to be in the corner right now, and I will stay here and defend it as long as I can.
But exactly what lies am I accepting as truth?
People why are you engaging this MoonGoose character?
Don't you know you cannot engage in logical debate with someone who argues without any logic at all?
Pay him no attention and relegate him to the grassy knoll with Bigfoot and Elvis
Hungrymouse, one person's lie is another person's truth! You are welcome to stay in that corner as long as you wish. If you wish to believe a truth, that's fine, but do not get upset because others do not agree with you.
As far as what you accept as truth and claim others accept as lies. You still have not provided anything reliable to back up what you claim is truth. Until then, my statement above stands. Have a good day.
Now why would they do that?............Now there is a total of "0" evidence to prove it was bullspit!!!!
Time to erase some embarrassing history. Yet, the evil relationship between elements of the Pakistani military and Al Qaida is plain for all to see. That will never be erased.
ISI, CIA and Al Qaida, "the base", Al C.I.A.ida, are all tied together folks. Read Orwell's 1984. Stop being "sheeple". Usama was "Goldstein".
Paul, you know 1984 was fiction right? Take too much acid this morning?
and George Orwell must have been GOD!!
You do know Jules Verne wrote fiction also but I guess submarines don't exist.
Goldstein, like Big Brother, was "immortal" because every dictatorship needs a perpetual enemy. So ObL being killed sort of murders your theory, as well. If he were truly "Goldstein", he would never die.
Since 2001, Pakis were acting as if they were allies on war on terror, took or blackmailed all sorts of economic and military aids and backstabbed the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan by siding with Islamic militants fighting NATO forces.
They were acting as if they were too smart and hid Osama right near their military staff training college.
So Osama was gone making these "smart" Pakis, biggest idiots one could get on earth!
Pakis don't need enemies. They have too many of them fighting in different directions right inside !
Now they have the very Islamic militants, whom they fa*hered tearing Pakistan in different directions.
Don't be surprised,
if just like Syria, one day Pakis scream: "World help us. We are being killed by some labels (don't worry about labels. they know how to use different labels for begging, blackmailing and killing)"
Rlquall: If you had actually read Orwell's 1984, with any comprehension skills, you would know that Goldstein was NOT "Immortal". The "Brotherhood" was designed to exist in opposition to "The Party" for as long as it existed, long after Emmanuel Goldstein had passed away or was captured.
Why do people feel the need to lie about having read 1984 ?
Actually, have read it more than once. Of course "Goldstein", like "Big Brother" at one point based on an actual person, was long-dead by the reality of Winston Smith in 1984. "The Brotherhood", the Party's onetime opponent, was no longer a reality, either, as it had long been smashed other than in an informer version to ferret out the potentially cognizant thinker, like Winston. It was stongly hinted to the reader that Big Brother himself was long dead. NONE OF THIS MATTERED TO THE PARTY. Having an opponent, even a phantom one, especially a phantom one was a necessity so that there would be a constan threat, a reason to have the daily "Two Minutes Hate", just as a constant war against either Eastasia or Eurasia was necessary. (Still think that I haven't read the book? Not even all the Orwell I've read, but I digress.)
Thus, my point -- if Osama bin Laden were a Goldstein, it would be stupid and pointless to have killed him; he needs to remain forever "alive". I'll not question either your reading comprehension nor your intelligence, though.
YOU wrote, that Goldstein was "immortal". Now you write that he was long dead. You contradict yourself.
We have no PROOF that Usama is dead. If the government announced tommorow, that Usama had been taken into custody for enhanced interrogation, and his "killing" was a cover story, you would be okay with that.
If they then told you that he was rescued by Al Qaeda, and was now at large again, how would you know what to believe?
Usama is Goldstein, Al Qaeda is the Brotherhood, Big Brother is Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank and the NSA. It's all a fractured fairytale designed to enslave us in our own ignorance.
And don't stop demolishing until you reach the sea.
and from all directions!
They don't want any monuments to their stupidity and/or perfidy.
When the Islamic seventh century desert mindset bigoted beasts, especially Pakis and Saudis, try to be too smart, they end up as the biggest idiots.
Demolishing of Osama complex is just a beginning and there will be many such bulldozings erasing Pakistan out of the map within a decade.
But one important question is: how many international liabilities and curses will be left for the world to handle after the break up of Pakistan by bloody civil wars of all types.
Iraq is already the example!
Finally something positive from Pakistan.
I dont understand why you think this is positive, It means nothing!!
They are destroying a monument to bin laden.
Is that what you think?...lol Ignorance is bliss!!
This location would have quickly become a shrine to Muslims. They love their martyrs.
Religion sucks.
I would not at all be surprised to learn there will eventually be a memorial of some kind to Bin Laden on this site.
There is going to be a waste treatment plant built on the site.
Hey Tim. How come non-believers (Atheist) spend more time talking about religion then the religious? Atheist are the first to complain about what others do, they are so hollow that a Christmas Tree on public property can spark anger and riots. Atheism is a Religion of the great whiners.
Chum Chum--okay, I'll bite. Find a riot caused by a Christmas Tree on public property and link to the article. In fact, find an article about people being "angry" (not just annoyed or self-righteous, but "angry") about a Christmas tree. Remember it has to be a tree--not a nativity scene--and even with the nativity scene, find a riot or "anger."
In many locations, a teen who is atheist will get slammed into lockers, beaten up, and mugged at school. In fact, the teen who complained about the prayer on her school wall--just a complaint, no riot or anger--was called "evil" (by an elected politician) and threatened with death. Exactly who is the one who gets bent out of shape at the least little suggestion that they keep their religious expressions to themselves?
I expect that the compound was demolished so that the people who were paying for it would feel more protected. Now that it's gone, perhaps they are safer. But, seriously, conservative fundamentalist evangelical Christians get bent out of shape over a jack-o-lantern, a picture of a witch, or a copy of Harry Potter in their school systems (do a Google search--you'll find a bunch of articles about that). Who is a whiner?
The difference being that fundy Christians of that ilk are a fairly small minority in most areas, whereas radical Muslims are a more-sizable, and more violent, minority.
Minority, Rlqquall? More than a billion is a pretty darn large minority. Also, givin the opportunity, every one of them would be radical.
Well, I know well some very non-radical Muslims who are embarassed by their superfundamentalist "brothers". Not every Muslim is a radical; however, more moderate voices in Islam tend to be ignored far more so than in other religious groups, and since our "friends" in the Saudi monarchy fund (with our petrodollars) the hard-core Wahabi sect (as long as they themselves are under no compulsion to live by its tenets), they call the tune for much of the Islamic world under the guise of "religious education".
I dont understand why any one thinks this matters, and i dont understand how this makes headline news....Other than a publicity stunt from the Obama admin. This is why i love that movie "WAG THE DOG".
Mind telling us just HOW this would be of any use for Obama???? BTW Was Osama just wagging the dog to scare us.Like Trent Lott told us ?? Or did he really prove to Trent Lott and the GOP that Clinton wasnt just wagging the dog to help his poll numbers.... I think 9 11 proved who was wagging the dog. I sent a telegram to Senator Lott on 9 12 and asked if was going to go on Faux news and admit Clinton wasnt just wagging the dog...... All i got back was a letter asking for CONTRIBUTIONS to the GOP.......lmao
Publicity stunt from O'blunders Admin, really i didn't know he was involved with being apart of the Paki Gov't and having a say in covering their arse for hiding him!
Don't get me wrong, i don't support O'bama, but i hardly see what releveance your commment has with him.
I get it. Liberal press makes this article a reminder that the Obama administration had a hand in the killing of Bin Laden.Too bad they didn't, but tell a lie enough times and the general puiblic will soon believe it.
of course obama had something to do with the article. He does have a hand in everything .
I dont think so but apparently you do
Wag the Dog was one of the worst movies ever made and a insult to a great book. If you have not read it and you enjoy a hell of a good read, take the time. Seriously I hardly recognized the story line.
obamaurmama,
If you don't think the Govt. pays attention to EVERYTHING I feel sorry for you.
That isnt the point stonepipe! lol
@ tn4ever.....your so full of crap!
Yet another conspiracy theorist with no evidence. But that never stops conspiracy theorists.
@john......there is a ton of evidence, with none to support that obama had anything to do with it. or if it was even Bin Laden in the first place. There is all the evidence in the world that Momar is dead, why not Bin Laden? And that TOP SECRET HELiCOPTER is hilarious too. There is no need for a stealth helicopter( and BTW you cannot stealth rotor blades(impossible), and there is no way you can sneek a chopper accross a country either. There are many other ways to get them in that would be alot more effective. There is nothing in the Karan that says anything about a "speedy sea burial" either. We were promised pics, where are they? And did you ever think that they didnt know Bin Laden was there because he wasnt?.....the list goes on!
And BTW......Your a fool to think that all conspiracy is Theory!!!!!.........But of course there rely on you ignorence.
Maybe you were promised pics. I missed that part. And I do remember the Che pics, and HELL YEAH the same thing would've happened. (Oh, almost forgot to tell you, They Saved Hitler's Brain wasn't really a documentary. Sorry.)
Yes! Obama promissed to show pics and then changed his mind cus he didnt see the need to trample on a mans grave! Wasnt a problem for Momar though. I dont know what pics you saw though.......and i really dont get the hitler comment.
Ashes to Ashes dust to dust, the killing of Osama was a must!
what are you 12....???......What evidence is there that Bin Laden was killed? Other then thats what you heard.
Hey Troy, what evidence do you have that Jesus ever lived? Other then that's what you heard.
Conspiracy nuts are always correct, because they can't prove anything to themselves.
Elvis ain't dead, man never walked on the moon, Who killed the Kennedy's, blah blah blah.If he wasn't dead don't you think we would have seen a video of him gloating.
Q. What would Elvis be doing if he were alive today?
A. Scratching like heck trying to get out of that coffin.
Sorry to dissapoint all the Elvis fans, but he really is dead. If he were alive, he surely would have been at Lisa Marie's wedding ... with a shotgun.
There are thousands of eyewitness accounts that Jesus existed! There are many books and books that says so! Including the Most popular and the biggest selling book in the World "The Bible" There is a but load of evidence in history and in archaeology. There is a ton of evidence! I can point you in the right direction if you want.
You may not beleive it, but there is alot of evidence!
There is also large amounts of eyewitness and recorded evidence that support the Greek gods as well. Your argument is mute.
We went from the ex casa of Osama being demolished to elvis' death, and Jesus .lol
If digression were king this vine would be royalty.
And Troy fYI I am 12 1/2 thank you very much.
The written word only proves that someone had a pencil. Writing it down doesn't make it true. People believe what they want, and mostly what their parents tell them. Christians beget Christians, Muslims beget Muslims, Republicans beget Republicans, Yankee fans beget more Yankee fans. It's only when people take a step back and use their brain does anything change. Troy and his ilk are just lemmings.
People are funny.We saw the footage of Omar Cadafi dead and also footage of the infamous Saddaim Hussein,but the evidence of the every eluding Bin Laden escapes us.That should make people at least think about it,but instead we have the ones that can not think out of the box.To mearly accept everything there being told.(GOOD LITTLE SHEEPLE,know do as we tell you)
Benjamine Franklin said: Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see...
Sounds like "sound advice" to me....
He should have added, '...most especially if it's coming out of a politician or anyone with the government in any capacity.'
But... but... the Bible was written by God himself! My pastor at church says so, and there are MANY websites, Catholics, and evangelists that say so as well, so it MUST be true! :P
Pfft. That only proves there are people who think as you do. Just like these posts are proof that there are people who think as I do. No one really knows if God (or Jesus or Allah or Buddah or Fido or Allawishes or whatever the HE-double-hockeysticks you wanna call him) really existed - nor do we know who wrote the effing Bible - it could've been written by some crazy person in a mental asylum for all we know.
who cares .......
Should have lauched a bunker buster in there the day after they got Bin Laden. THAT would have been a big middle finger to Pakistan
They probly would if it was true!!!
One, so you support us going to war with Pakistan then? How do you think they would have reacted to having half of that area destroyed with the loss of who knows how many lives?
The people like you that think that Arab lives are worth less then Western lives, that Christians lives are worth more then Muslim lives and your ilk in the Government are the dangerous ones because you cannot separate being human from fairy tails. If Pakistani's want to hate America let them hate us. That does not give us a right to drop bombs on them. We are not the center of the World, we never have been and it is time we stopped parading around like we are the hottest @!$%# on this rock and started treating other societies with the same respect that we (or rather you) expect them to treat us with.
I have no such delusions, we are just another country on this mud ball that has no more claim to anything then anyone else and that is not worth more then any other country. America and Americans are not special; we are human just like everyone in the Arab world, like everyone in Russia, like every one in Asia, like everyone in Europe. There is nothing special about us save for our civility and advancements on the subject of rights for oppressed minorities.
Both of those have been in great decline recently.
Geowil:
I think you are correct! Let's just erase History and leave North and South America undiscovered...
By the time the "Americas" were discovered Europe was on the brink of collapse. Almost every advancement that brought prosperity to the world was fostered in the USA!
Since WWII, what Nation(s) asked what Nation for help? They weren't asking England, Russia, China, Germany, etal... They were asking the USA, that's who!
If it weren't for the USA and our way of life those countries would be even worse "stink holes" than they are today! We send more MONEY(help) to more countries than a lot of countries have as a GDP! We fund the bulk of assistance to more countries disasters than any other society on the planet! WE, effectively, rebuilt every country we've been at war with after we defeated them.
We, misguidedly, gave 3rd world countries 20% of our manufacturing jobs and then spent even more money buying their products!
Yeah... We really are the scum the earth... No better than an illiterate, nomadic tribe in the middle of Africa! However, if we chose to become ISOLATIONIST (and we are the only country on the planet that CAN be and survive) the rest of the known world would collapse!
So, thinking it over... You have your head where the sun don't shine! We are quite exceptional and to those that hate us, GO TO HELL and don't come begging for anymore help from us!
Sorry Dave, but that was the most bigoted plume of arrogance/ignorance I've ever read. Geo is absolutely correct that we as humans are all equal, and our abundance of fiat currency (which you mistakenly consider "help") is quite possibly the worst thing that has been introduced to this planet. In fact, I would consider an "illiterate, nomadic trive in the middle of Africa" far more in touch with the reality of being a human than you.
And, lastly, "We are quite exceptional and to those that hate us, GO TO HELL.." .. I think this speaks volumes to your character.
You, my friends, can go be equal to people who treat women like animals generally, stone the victims of rape, bathe monthly at best, and go off murdering people because a book got burned. I shall not. We are better than them, and I know it makes them and you sick, but tough. Sure it's based on cultural differences, for our culture IS better. We've advanced beyond the seventh century. If they have, it's based on what they got from us. Think they would've ever invented electric lights, phones, or radio? Let alone television or electronic computers. Here, most POOR people have what only their wealthiest do -- a wired and plumbed place to stay, and adequate food for more than one meal, and a refrigerator to put it in; some "poor" Americans even have their own motor vehicle. Our lives are better and longer, and our sanitation, well, there's no comparison. Of course we're far from perfect (although your comment about the rights of oppressed minorities, Geo, well I've been around a few days and if you think that this is anything like the 1960s, well, you're either very young, very silly, or quite likely, both) but yes, I do value the lives and values of my fellow Americans, and my fellow Westerners for that matter, over those from a place which dares to deem itself the "land of the pure". I guess that I'm the ugly American from the "Great Satan" that they love to hate. Well, you are too, whether or not you know it, you are the enemy of many of them, even some of their influential and presumably educated leaders, leave alone the "masses".
They can stew in their own juices. The idea that any of them are worth asking young Americans to lay down their lives for is abhorrent to me. I wouldn't ask that of any of my relatives, nor any of yours. They have so devastated their own country that now they come flooding the West. Only a few even attempt to assimilate and become true "immigrants", the rest remaining unassimilated and isolated, apparently plotting to drive the West down to the low level of where they came from, ruining it as they did their former home. Look at the difference between India, growing economically and becoming a great power on the world stage despite its manifold problems, and their "neighbor". The same basic genetic stock, even the same basic language (for the most part, Urdu is Hindi the way Croat is Serb), one huge difference -- Islam of a fundamentalist bent.
Isolationism sounds like a plan. Let's concentrate on our own problems instead of trying to "fix" other peoples' problems.
I know, sounds rather idealist. But a man can dream of such an America - right? ;)
The only thing nomadic African tribes gave the world was AIDS.
CJ -- yes, and I'm not an isolationist but I am a realist. We cannot be all things to all men, nor can we "fix" everything wrong in the world. We AREN'T the world's policemen, as we are constantly being derided for attempting to be whenever we act, and constantly being deried for not functioning as whenever we do not. I'm not an isolationist, but I do say unashamedly AMERICA FIRST!
This is/was the only good thing to come out of the war on terror....... thank you for having the guts Mr. President to give the order and thank you to a handful of our military for making it possible. That's all so far I have to say that's good about any involvement in the Camel dung infested region(s).
lol......thanks for nothing, how about, thanks for more than doubling the debt in just 3 short years!!!!! And there is evidence of that. But there is NO evidence he got Bin Laden, not even in the black market!....as far as im concerned, that is impossible today! You cant even take a piss on an oak tree in the middle of the forest without getting caught on tape. NO photos, NO video, NO eyewitnesses, and now of course the site where it happened is gone too! lol......why are people so dumb and ignorant?
What was he going to say? "Oh, just let the poor bastard be." lol
Unfortunately, by assasinating Bin Laden, Obama made a clear statement that our laws only apply when convenient; not to mention the information that could've been had if he'd been captured alive. But that would not have furthered Obama's rockstar agenda.
bin Laden's compound is being torn down by the Government of Pakistan instead of being leased out to other terrorist want-to-bes? Well, get over it. Seems that Osama never filed for a Certificate of Occupancy or had an official "Keeps The Good Guys" out inspection. The place was not fit for a hideout every since it was discovered, in April 2011, on a "Bollywood Slum Dog - Travel Guide to the Celebrities" map sold to the CIA by a street vendor in Calcutta. Seems the Indian tourists knew it was there for years and thought everyone else did as well.
that Troy didn't take his meds today? Well, get over it as we need him searching the skies in the high desert of Arizona to alert us to imminent alien invasion and random probing. We just need to make sure he didn't put his aluminum foil cap on "shiny side in" as he is sometimes prone to do.
what law was broken exactly by killing bin ladin. last i checked that Geneva convention law of assassination only applied to recognized leadership of a sovereign country.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.........You really havnt said anything, prove me wrong or shut up!!!!!
Troy is himself the proof of the fallacy and shallow depth of everything that he posts? Well get over it! He is always good for a laugh as the stereotypical Tea Bagging, Wide Stance, Conspiracy Theorist, Bible Thumping, Sheep Sheared Republican that are quickly becoming impotent, endangered and finally extinct. Give him a round of applause for providing free entertainment and move on to more important issues such as President Obama's agenda for his soon to be 2nd Term in office.
I see you gave your self a checkmark again!.......Again you havnt said anything worth commenting on. You have no argument other than, " I know you are , but what am i".....Grow up!
Please learn how to spell if you are going to try to make a statement. Bad grammer and spelling just make you stupid.
Troy
There are witnesses to the burial of Bin Laden, The ships crew all saw it. Another thing, if Bin Laden wasn't killed as we say he was, wouldn't you think that he would have made another film saying ha ha, you missed me in Pakistan, I'm still alive?
Never said he was alive idiot! I just said Obama didnt do it! and he used it as a politcal purpose for election campain because he hasnt done crap for this country, other than make a few liberals happy. A bring us to our greatest debt in history and wants to spend more.
There called typos Nancy!.......Im sure you can find a spelling bee somewhere else, genius!!!
starbuck49:
You would have a POINT except the nay-sayers say he died years earlier so it would have been a bit difficult to make a video...
Also, someone was killed and buried at sea but a scant few actually saw the body before it was wrapped in a white sheet and DUMPED overboard!
Finally, he had supposedly been quite ill for MANY years so it wasn't likely he would have looked much like the pictures of him seen years before.
Having said all of that, I want to believe they did, indeed, kill him in that raid and good riddence!
Your right PAPPADAVE, there is too much un-answered and i would love to believe this crap is true, but i just have alot more sense! People are so blinded, "No, Not my wonderfl government!" wake up and smell the evil! Americans are not superior human beings, there just as evil as anyone else.
The US Senate actually saw the pictures and they have said it WAS Bin Laden, and the DNA they have matched the relatives.
Really, Nancy? Hi, Miss Pot, I'm Mr. Kettle, how are you this evening?
Even MSNBC's primitive spellcheck (in which "MSNBC", incidentally, is NOT a word) would've caught that one.
And to think of all the tourist dollars they're tossing away.......
Boy!!!!!! Never thought of that....a few actors, $20. admission, signed pictures, hot dogs, cokes, dolls, etc $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
John, who would want to go visit the place where Bin Laden was killed? better to let it fade away into the crapper of history then to enshrine it.
Geowil, while I think you're precisely right (!) as far as your thinking on this, to the contrary, I'm relatively sure that lots of Muslims far more radical/fundamental than the current "leaders" of Pakistan could and would come to the home of their beloved Muslim brother, and it would've been a pilgrimage site bringing lots of people into the country that the incumbent Pak regime would just as soon stay out. Remember that pilgrimages are about as big a part of Islam today as they were in Christianity in the Middle Ages and far larger than they are in modern Christianity.
Troy, what are you 12. Come home to reality.
YEH YEH YEH!!!! Show me reality!!!! show me something, anything that makes sense. You cant, all you can do is just make rhetoric comment with no evidence that you make sense. Your just a follower, a zombie, if you would!
Troy, same applies to you. Where is your proof it did not happen? When someone makes an allegation that something has not happened the burden of proof is on the one who makes that allegation. This is why Atheists are in charge of finding a way to disprove God. So the task falls to you.
Produce even one shred of proof that does not come from an unreliable source (blog, conspiracy theory site, opinionated talk show, or Glen Beck) then we can pick up on your discussion. Till then please stop spamming the vine.
"Well its simple!.....There is NO evidence and the deceitful bullspit about a speedy sea burial (not in the Karan) and the promise of photos that didnt happen!....And dont giive me that crap that they didnt think it was appropriate! MSN CNN FOX ABC and so on, didnt have that problem with MOMAR, did they?
There should have been a investigation to clear any dought, considering who he was."
PS . Name one time Glenn Beck was wrong?
And BTW, if you read the bible, you would know it has predicted many things that are going on. Plus So the burden is on the Athiest, because if the bible wasnt true, the world would have chewed it up and spit it out along time ago. But NO! Its the Biggest seller and most popular book in all of history instead!
And YOUR A TOTAL FOOL to think All Conspiracy is "Theory"!!!
Troy,
umm only any time he opens his mouth? He has never been right about one thing since I started watching his show.
As to your thing about religion. You argument is moot because the religious do not need proof. they have faith, an irrational belief that something is true when there are no facts to support it. The bible is nothing but a work of fiction that is peddled to the masses as truth. They lap it up because they have been brainwashed their whole lives by their parents, grandparents, and their ancestors were brainwashed by the Church to insure that future generations would know the "truth of God".
Faith is never rational and it will never be rational. This is why I have always ascribed that people should not put faith in anything that they cannot prove to be true. I also do not buy into the "predictions" BS. Earthquakes have always happened, people have always been sinful. It has been this way since the dawn of time tens of billions of years ago and will stay true thousands of billions of years into the future or until humanity destroys itself.
I think it is better to be a fool then a moron that has to revert to using caps every paragraph to try and "out match" someones arguments. On that note there have been very few conspiracy theories that have ever been proven to be true:
No one ever proved we did not go to the moon
No one ever proved that aliens or alien craft are held at Area 51
No one ever proved Roswell
No one has submitted any credible proof that 9/11 was an inside job
No one has ever proven that there was a second shooter in JFK's assassination
No one has proven that Obama is a Muslim
The list goes on. However there are half truths to some of those and other conspiracy theories, but they are never completely true.
For the think about Gaddafi, our military was not the ones that killed him and that footage was not taken by Americans. Gaddafi was also not a terrorist leader and he had almost no support from anyone in his country of the region.
Bin Laden was the opposite in each of those cases. I do not think that it was not appropriate to show the images but when the most skeptical of Republican's in Congress state that it was Bin Laden then I have to take it with a grain of salt. Republican's were frothing at the mouth in trying to prove that it was not Bin Laden. Why would they suddenly state that the body was that of Bin Laden's if it was not true? Admitting that we killed Bin Laden give Obama ammunition to use against them during the election, they would not state that unless it was true; which actually is slightly out of character for them I might admit.
Simple explanation really. All the politicians know that if you cross, or contradict the "evidence" submitted by, the Military Industrial Complex, you or your family ends up dead.
Troy, your correct, bin Laden is hiding in Trent Lott's basement. Go get him, will you?
How would you know if i was right? it isnt on the news!!!!!! You wouldnt know unless some hot chick with a microphone tells you.
cmon troy, elvis and bin laden are together in a caddy down the street from you with a couple hot chicks.
If your making jokes that are refering that i think Bin Laden is alive, then your wrong! I think he died along time ago. But thats not important, whats important is that it wasnt Obama!!!!
Hey Troy,
Do us all a big favor and pound your head up your ass a little further so you can confirm the conspiracy theory, that your @!$%# stinks like everyone else's, you F--n moron.
To funny!! Tear down the compound where the world's #1 terrorist was being hidden for YEARS--then say he was never there? Now change the story--Navy SEALs "invaded" Pakistan and killed some poor sheep/goat hearder???
How stupid do these people think the rest of the world is?
Okay,,,,,,Let asked them!!! OH WAIT!!!!! they all died in a helocopter crash! all of them......And since when do we publicise when SEALS die??????.....Never in my life have i heard such a thing. Since the SEALS began it was classified where, when and why they die!
Troy, did you miss Operation Red Wing?
Really Troy? You are a piece of work. Do you really think that after the Republicans were shown the photos to prove that bin laden was dead, if they weren't real they wouldn't have called him out on it? Or are the do ANYTHING to prove Obama wrong republicans in on it too? Really? James Inhofe, a Republican sitting on the Armed Services Committee said he saw 15 photos of Bin Laden dead, and I quote him, "Absolutely no question about it. A lot of people out there say they want to see the pictures, but I've already seen them. That was him. He's gone. He's history." So he was making all this up too or are you just a conspiracy idiot who can't except the truth?
First they didn't want to see the photos. then they did reluctantly. Really? you think a photograph is sufficient proof of a murder? The word is ACCEPT, not "except". Unless you meant to write "except the TRUTH." which could have been a Freudian slip, but I would doubt your brain works along those lines. Be careful who you call an "idiot", fool.
I stand corrected on the spelling, but nothing else. I didn't call him an idiot, I asked if he was one. Once again, do you think that the republicans would just sit by and not call Obama out if they didn't believe he was dead? What about the DNA samples they took? They eyewitness acccounts from the Seal team? The twitter report of it happening live by a local pakistani? The pictures of the crashed secret helicopter? All fake? Take your head out of you a$$.
@Troy: Please get back on your meds and stop watching Faux News.
SanAndreas, Troy may watch what you call "Faux" News, and while I don't buy that they're "fair and balanced" for a second (and neither are the others, just unbalanced the other way), he's not getting that crap from them (maybe other crap, but not that).
Troll-2131404 must have been taken.
Winsettz,
Troy didn't miss Operation Red Wing, he missed when they were passing out brains, he thought they said trains, and caught one out of town, lol.
The killing of Osama bin Laden changed nothing. Just like if we vote in a new president here in the U.S. Nothing will change. We will still be in Afghanistan,Israel will still be trying to drag us into another war,Terrorist's will still be killing American's or trying to, Unemployment will still be high, Greedy oil companies will still be raising Gas prices, the Wealthy will still be greedy. Nothing really changes in this world.
Everyone is greedy; the wealthy are just better at it.
Taraan...Im willing to vote for Anyone Other than odumo...
The most un-American president in USA history.....
Tim that is not necessarily true. While it is true in the majority there are those that will put the needs of others before themselves. I think that those people are the ones that truly understand what it means to be American.
And some of them are out there tonight, dying for the needs of our government, at least, because they love this country, often dying for people unworthy to tie or untie their combat boots if you ask me, and every one of them there due to joining our armed forces voluntarily. There are lots of other American heroes, too, like the idealists of the Peace Corps, genuinely trying for the most part to better the lives of people whom they otherwise would never have met; NGO workers risking their lives for ideals still to high and fine for this present world, and missionaries whose first loyalty goes to their God and the people whom they try to serve, sometimes overlooking some of the protocols of hierarchies and denominational doctrines to do the most good for the greatest number of people. I can be proud that this nation spawned them, and it makes up somewhat for a lot the people who have treated others in other countries the way that the old United Fruit Co. used to, and people who go abroad from here like the infamous bull in the china shop, loudly announcing their arrival and immediately wondering why everything there isn't "right" like it is back home. (And, FYI, some of this latter group are actually NOT from Texas.)
WOW - They'll probably put up a NEW OSAMA MOSQUE?
AS long as we Pay for IT!
PS - Pity If they told us we could have sent them those Old Dirty Korans!
people can be so mean
You got dat right....and justifiably so!
Troy:
Don't be such a sore loser! President Bush had a chance to get Bin Laden and didn't. At least give President Obama some credit!
More rhetoric! I didnt like Bush any more than Obama!!! But Okay,,,,,,Prove it!!!!!!...........................................waiting.............waiting............waiting
They could try renting it on Graig's list.
Troy:
Prove that they DIDN'T kill Bin Laden! Waiting..........................
Onenation: I think Troy needs a timeout.... judging by the many posts he is shouting to the sky and banging his fists against a wall. jeepers. Good luck Troy.... I have done it myself.
Well its simple!.....There is NO evidence and the deceitful bullspit about a speedy sea burial and the promise of photos that didnt happen!....And dont giive me that crap that they didnt think it was appropriate! MSN CNN FOX ABC and so on, didnt have that problem with NOMAR, did they?
There should have been a investigation to clear any dought, considering who he was.
Thanks FED UP........your bashing comment is what i expected from you, usualy people like you dont have an answer. Im surprised you didnt say "hes just a idiot conspiracist"
Hey Troy, Here's your proof. James Inhofe, a Republican sitting on the Armed Services Committee said he saw 15 photos of Bin Laden dead, and I quote him, "Absolutely no question about it. A lot of people out there say they want to see the pictures, but I've already seen them. That was him. He's gone. He's history." So he was making all this up too or are you just a conspiracy idiot who can't except the truth?
James Inhofe thinks the world is only 6,000 years old. Why did you write this same stupidity twice? In your world, photographs which haven't been cross-examined are PROOF? Really, indeed.
Accept, not "except", fool. Go easy on calling others "idiot".
just because i say that my father is the pope doesnt men he is! If that were true, why cant we see them?.....and your right Paul, James Inofe isnt credible. And why should i beleive him? The evidence says its a lie so prove us all wrong with the photos and body. Like MOMAR!
Troy: So glad that you clarified. For a while I thought that you were insisting that we had proof that Nomar Garciaparra was dead, and I was going to say that I wouldn't believe it until Mia Hamm said so.
Obama only caught Osama because of the info gathered by Bush's team over the years using banned interrogation techniques. Score one for the bad guys!
Disproved.....................but in a world where you don't require anything to be proven, you can believe, and LIE about what you believe, all that you want. But thank you for admitting that you are aware that BUSH broke both International and Domestic laws. The ends don't justify the means. Your ilk will learn that in Obama's second term. We do pity you.
The Pakistanis are tearing it down so they don't have areminder of how they lied to the US for years on Bin Ladens whereabouts. The Pakistanis even let Chinese intelligence take parts of the downed helicopter to study in China. We are still giving Pakistan millions. For What?
Pakistan is full of morons to not know it was bin laden living there, may they rot in hell , they are nothing but backstabbing sons of bitches and next time we deal with them it should be a total annihilation
You are just full of @!$%#t
They knew he was there. They helped him move and gave him first month's rent free. That's what friends do.
remember when they called it a mansion? Hah.Pigs.They couldn't even do housecleaning.
Why stop there?...doze the whole country
i hope someone ripped out all the copper pipes before wrecking that place......oh wait they don't use toilets or wash ,they just @!$%# crap in the yard and wipe with there left hand
no they dont what do you think that rag is for on there head
@ bryan newcomer , nah , the crap is already wrapped up in the rag on their heads because they are s hitheads
Mighty warped sense of humor you guys seem to have. And I thought I belonged in the local looney-bin. :P
USAF could vaporize it in 2 seconds and save them a lot of work. But I guess they need to hold on to the memoribila..... ya know all the parties they used to have there with crazy bin.... he always had some killer weed.