I firmly believe that Hilary Clinton and the State Department are inciting this violence against United States soldiers. I am sorry, and often I am correct - but I firmly believe this for the reasons I stated earlier.

Mrs. Clinton and her husband have made it unequivocally clear that they want a globalist regime with Bill Clinton serving as an executive over that type of government. He wants to become president again so that they can carry out this goal and usurp the authority of the Constitution of the United States.

She should be taken into custody because she is a threat to the national security of the United States.

Sounds like a lot of crying about one party. I don't know which it is supposed to be but I promise your personal favorite political party sucks just as much.

Note I didn't say wasn't as bad. I said AS BAD. SUCKS AS MUCH. And you are shooting up some drugs if you think otherwise, whether that drug is heroine or a Bible.

The order by General John Allen, the top U.S. militiary commander in Afghanistan, to withdraw all American and NATO forces from Afghan ministries remains in effect.

Their own soldiers are firing at us, the citizens are throwing grenades at us, the Taliban are still bombing us.

Lets not stop there General.

It is time to earn that Nobel Prize Mr President. Pull it out of the closet, dust it off, set it on the desk in the Oval Office and look at it every morning, and reason whether you earned it in the first place.

I wish the President would order our troops home too but they just dont walk out when they want to, you signed up & you are basically govt property, do what you're ordered.

The problem I have with this BS is if some wants to commit harm to our troops, our troops should have the RIGHT to defend themselves, obviously these are not just unarmed civilians and should be treated as hostile combatants, if it was me there would be a lot of dead Afghans period.

The wars since 9/11 have cost the US taxpayer over $4.4 TRILLION and 225,000 American lives and for what? So the military industrial complex can sell their weapons and make $billions in profits?

Osama Bin Laden was killed (in Pakistan) and I say mission accomplished.

Bring our troops home now!

You all think Mackie is wrong? Ever wonder why those 241 Marines got blown up in the Khobar Towers in Lebanon?

It's because the State Dept. insisted that the guys on the main gate NOT have any ammunition in their guns, because it would be "insulting" to the Lebanese - so, the terrorists just drove right on in , unstoppable.

This is just one of many of the idiotic rules they come up with that gets our guys killed. I think it speaks columes that our professional military allows themselves to be abused like this.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if State Dept. HQ was moved RIGHT out to the front lines when they started another war. I'll bet they'd allow the military to get THAT over with in a day or two. Gotta keep the champagne cool - hard to do with no power.

I don't know about Hilly and Billy, but the US State Dept. is THE most severe threat to the security of the U.S. there is : brain-dead, self-serving cookie pushers. They screw up the geo-political situation until it blows up, hand it over to the military to fix, impede that effort at every turn, complain about it all the while, then grab the success for themselves, on the backs of our kids.

It's plain sedition. I don't know why we put up with it. OH! - there's a sale at the mall! Bye!

WOW... Our soldiers are proud with honor and loyalty. These men and women don't simply walk out on their own. We as voters need to make our voices heard, letting Washington know that this war (undeclared) needs to end now so the troops can be ordered home.

Now is the time to vote for people who will keep us from war and make our own broken country the strongest force in the world again, both militarily and economically.

We apologized to the Afghans for MISTAKENLY burning their books of religion and peace. And for freeing their country of the Taliban regime, they kill our soldiers? I was all for taking out the Taliban and aiding in the creation of a free country. BUT this is way too much. get out now. No more apologies, no more billions of dollars, no more lost American lives to people who kill us over the burning of a book. Let the country disintegrate to a 7th century, desolate, opium smoking bunch of tribes.

Killing our soldiers over an administrative error is insanity.

We must accept that our Military isnt as good as we think it is. Plus these 2 wars arent supported my the people, so it is obviously going to continue to harm us, our Troops and financially. This must stop immediately.

marlen,

Agreed, but how many American lives?

Mackie,

You need to get that paranoia treated... get some help with that "reasoning" as well, bud.

This whole mess is unfortunate and is really the fault of an incompatibility between our countries and cultures.

They kill if you burn the book... and we don't. The issue is that we can forget now and again. Since we will NEVER always remember, they either need to chill or we need to take permanent leave NOW.

We need an entire shift in our mentality as to how we win wars, and unless anyone hasn't noticed, this is not it. The last war we won, was because we held everyone accountable for actions. We didn't care about political correctness. We annihilated our enemies and beat them into submission. That is how you win wars.

Perhaps we should go back to the day when the leaders of the military put on uniforms, and actually led their men into battles. If that were done, we might find that the war was not worth the fight, and if it is, it would be handled much differently.

Islam is a CULT of mindless brainwashed followers.. To murder someone because a book was burned is the act of brainwashed CULT followers.. They reinforce devotion to it with hate, fear and mob mentality.. It should be removed from the US list of religions as it teaches hatred of all others not a part of it.. We can never change the sick way they think, only they can discover that their devotion to this evil is misplaced.. Any so called religion that outlaws any contrary beliefs or thinking and creates a one way door with massive social penalties is a self reinforcing CULT..Some people may argue that there are moderate Muslims who do not believe in radical behavior.. They still devote themselves unconditionally to it so at the drop of a hat can be summoned without question into a mob by their leaders.. Every time they commit an evil act of violence their ranks cheer with joy for the Jihad and never do you hear them stand up in large numbers against the sick perpetrators.. Outlaw Islam in America until they take the CULT out of it.....

ES-919973 Our military is that good. If they didn't have the morons in Washington giving their political orders! Our troops are in harms way and all Obama can do is bend over and say " please sir may I have another!"

why on earth are we still in that God forsaken hell hole, get out now.

We'll see another apology from Obama I guess ....

This whole thing is absurd and Obama was wrong to apologize and should be impeached if he allows anyone to be put on trial as Karzai has demanded for what as an honest mistake. It is also the height of hypocrisy for any of them to protest this or expect an apology when they routinely do things like burn the bodies of our soldiers and the American flag in clear attempts to inflame passions. Tell Karzai that we will apologize and consider a trial after he apologizes puts every person in his country who has burned an American flag, desecrated the corpse of an American service member, or killed an unarmed American civilian on trial.

It is completely absurd to get so upset over something like this. They put some books in the trash that were defaced with anti-American rhetoric and messages of hate and were no longer needed or wanted. In fact, it was Afghani nationals who actually put the book in the fire, not Americans. The Americans only mistakenly place them in the trash. This was not done as any kind of religious statement or to piss anyone off. since they no longer house large numbers of Muslim prisoners at the base the Korans were no longer needed. As a result they were put in the trash to be disposed of. The laborers on the base then took the trash to be burned as they always do. This was a routine disposal of trash, not some religiously motivated incident.

It is time to stop the nonsense and just pull our troops out. Let these backwards fanatics have their wars with each other and kill each other off. There is no reason to risk any more American lives trying to save them from themselves. Just make it clear that any attacks on American interests coming from the country will result in our carpet bombing the whole place. Maybe if we make it clear that they will all be out at risk if they continue to tolerate the action of the fanatics, they will do something to put an end to the fanatics themselves.

Obama did the right thing by apologizing. If Obama didn't apologies, it would have put more of our troops in danger.

I don't fault Obama for apologizing, but I do fault him, our congress (and his military advisers) for not getting us out of that dump fast enough.

I lived 9-months in the Middel East before 9-11-2001, so I understood the nature of a clan based tribal society inculcated with Islamic beliefs. When Bush got on national TV and declared that he wanted to "bring democracy to the Afghans", I looked at those around to see if this was a joke. For the remainder of the Bush presidency the lies were piled higher and deeper and more blood and treasure was spent invading Iraq and expanding the war toward the oil. I knew the outcome of invading Afganistan and Iraq before we did it, and so did Bush Sr. because he wrote about it in his book, that Jr. so calously disregarded. Obama is wrong to not have already gotten us out, but the evil of lies and deception that put us there were, are and always will be the property of George W. Bush!

marine 55

The President should be held accountable for the actions of a bunch of idiots that committed a sacriligious act that has incited a riot and deaths of their fellow comrades? I hardly think so. The idiots responsible for tossing these items into the fire and the persons responsible for ordering them to do so are the ones responsible. You extremists should know that better than anyone after trying to cram your literature down the rest of our throats.

The attack occurred as 400 demonstrators stormed the American outpost to protest the inadvertent burning of Qurans at the U.S. Bagram airbase north of Kabul.

Why aren't there 400 dead Afghanis?!!!!!

Whether or not Obama was right in apologizing to the Afghans is a dead issue now. That ship has left the harbor. Water under a bridge. NO POINT in bellyaching about it any more, folks. What's done is done.

What we need to do NOW is stop the lunacy and bring our troops home IMMEDIATELY. Let these savages kill each other off. They didn't call Afghanistan the Graveyard of Empires for NOTHING, folks.

Then, after we leave we can always drop a cruise missile or two on Kabul if these derelicts decide to get any ideas, or just to let the little darlings know we haven't forgotten about them.

@Mikela You are an absolute imbecile! I can't even imagine someone making a statement as moronic and blatantly foolish as yours. It's a book you idiot, but yeah they can burn our flag all day long. I think a better solution is to not burn the koran but to just burn the whole damn region. Your statements are pathetic.

Mikela - As CinC of our military forces world wide, the buck does stop with him. Obama did the right thing apologizing. Obviously, it wasn't accepted and the radical afghans seem to think that it is open season.

So be it, immediately change the rules of engagement, freeze all US accounts containing afghan or taliban money and withdraw our forces. China already has the inside track on afghans recently discovered mineral deposits. I know china wouldn't put up with this BS from the afghans.

Talk about extremists, ever look at yourself in the mirror mikela?

It is time to put an end to this. Our soldiers are being killed and Obama is apologizing to Karzai and the Afghani people. When a large group of protesters approach a compound housing US and NATO troops or employees they should be given warning to disperse and leave the area. If they fail to heed the warning they should be taking their lives in their own hands. If the "protesters" discharge any weapon or throw hand grenades into a compound the troops should defend themselves and open fire. Personally I am sick of our country bowing to this religion of death. Our troops are dying because of political correctness and our country is being influenced by front groups for Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and other terror organizations, the main cover group being CAIR. It is time for this administration to stop trying to be friends with these people who want nothing to do with us except our destruction.

The President should be held accountable for the actions of a bunch of idiots that committed a sacriligious act that has incited a riot and deaths of their fellow comrades? I hardly think so. The idiots responsible for tossing these items into the fire and the persons responsible for ordering them to do so are the ones responsible. You extremists should know that better than anyone after trying to cram your literature down the rest of our throats.

Mikela....do you even know why the Qurans were burned? They were burned because the local nationals that work on that base were using Qurans to pass coded messages back and forth containing details on security within the base, probably to conduct an attack. They were burned because they were a HUGE security risk.

Get a clue, do your research before vomiting out a comment. People here have so many opinions about a topic they know so little about. Apparently ignorance is all the rage these days...

Talk about extremists, ever look at yourself in the mirror mikela?

When I look at the crap these right wing extremist and the republican party have done to this nation and continue to do and I listen to their intent to do even more so should they corrupt enough minds to find power one again... Yes, I am extremely against these radicals in this country attempting to force the rest of the nation to live according to their religious beliefs.

marlen101917

The wars since 9/11 have cost the US taxpayer over $4.4 TRILLION and 225,000 American lives and for what? So the military industrial complex can sell their weapons and make $billions in profits?

You are off by about 218,000 American lives and $3.5 trillion, which makes anything else you say worthless.

Odumba was totally in the wrong for apologizing.

You all think Mackie is wrong? Ever wonder why those 241 Marines got blown up in the Khobar Towers in Lebanon?

It's because the State Dept. insisted that the guys on the main gate NOT have any ammunition in their guns, because it would be "insulting" to the Lebanese - so, the terrorists just drove right on in , unstoppable.

The Khobar Towers bombing, was in Saudi Arabia. Not Lebanon.

Mikela....do you even know why the Qurans were burned? They were burned because the local nationals that work on that base were using Qurans to pass coded messages back and forth containing details on security within the base, probably to conduct an attack. They were burned because they were a HUGE security risk.

Then either they should have been a whole lot more discreet about their burnings of the Islam bible and other religious sembles or they should have locked them up under storage until we finally get our troops out of that country. To outright burn them and then to leak it to the religious sector of that country was an outright stupid move that is now costing our servicemen that had nothing to do with it their lives.

mikela,

actually nothing was leaked. our idiot military put the items in a bag and then gave them to the local muslim workers to take to the fire pit and have burned. this is when the workers saw they were burning their own bibles.

it wouldnt surprise me in the least that those idiots in command did it on purpose. what i fine joke to have muslims burning their own bibles.

and i served in the military so I have a right to call the people in charge of our military idiots. if you served you would know how you climb the chain of command. generally, as is with life, it has nothing to do with your service record.

Anthony

It was a gross mishandling of the situation that is costing our service members their lives. I'm not religious but I would never do anything that I absolutely know would incite such actions against my own comrades. I would not burn the holy bible or any other religions holy books. Had that not happened and those materials been stored, these riots and murders would not be happening now.

@ Johnnyonthespot: Google 'Stars and Stripes' article dated July 1, 2011: US Wars Since 9/11.

I got a lot more votes than your sorry a** remark.

Nuff said..

who ever said the government is full of idiots or jack-holes up to no good are right, something is afoot and the end result will not be puppy-dogs and rainbows, trust me. The people who outright lashout at others who thing something is not right are more than not employed in keeping such thoughts down. our government can not be near as stupid as they act. therefore is there a conspiracy afoot?

Conspiracy theories, we love them all from outright paranoid, to actually being true, or in part true. Those people who are not in on it in some way actually speak from no knowledge as to whats been actually happening. I have been leaning more in the idea seeing how the government does monitor what we say on anything public, including the vine, those screaming loudest calling theorists right off the bat insults, and so on without ANY actual reason for doing by backing themself up with facts to discredit, other than insults.

notice how posting links to back up your claims has been disabled? well outside for some.

enough of trying to fight a PC conflict.Utterly destroy the enemy and get out. Period !!! Leave them to their own demise.

Parallel:

While The US Military Soldiers are having a good time in Afghanistan.

There is a good time going on in the White House--

The barn is on fire, now is the time to defend, with real bullets, and let the little grenade tossers know that their actions will be met with full force. They have vented, they have killed to 'get revenge' and to continue to protest and riot is merely an indication that the real reasons for the violence is the opportunity to BE violent.

Karzai is a crook of the first degree. Stop all monies going into Egypt and Afghanistan and see how quickly they turn the other cheek. To continue to fund corrupt organizations and governments so that they are better equipped to kill Americans is beyond stupid. Then, pull out of the region, leave them to kill one another, which they will do with amazing efficiency, and...let the one's standing starve.

mikela:

The event of error has already occurred, can't change that. A statement of apology has been rendered. And now people are dying. However, I detect in your posts "gee, the book burners are idiots, I would never have done that!" Do you not see a problem with your posts? The circumstances have radically changed since the first event! Books are no longer burning but people continue to be hurt and die! Time to see circumstances in a clearer light...sheesh!

More fear and hate propaganda to insure military action in the Middle East!

If the U.S. wants a green light for actions in Iran, then all they seemingly have to do it burn a truck load of Korans and the entire Middle East will go crazy.

The ever continued conflicts are examples that diplomacy doesn't work, and neither does humanitarian aid.

Some people are so power and money hungry that they cannot see, nor do they care about all the devastation around them.

We no longer have to wonder what it would be like to live in the "Dark Ages." We have arrived!

Sarcasticus1

I understand what you say but then again, the reason the burnings should not have happened is simply because these reprecussions of their burnings were so predictable. If these religious symbols truly contained the codes that they are claimed to have contained then destroying them was the last thing that should have happened. This was direct evidence of the corruptness of the Afghanian forces and should have been used to extract our soldiers out of their country instead. This evidence should have been seized and sent back to the states for expert analyzing. Not destroyed. Someone screwed up and it is now costing our servicemen their lives.

Mikela - The democrats have controlled the senate since 2007, the house from 2007 to 2011 and the WH since 2009. With the DC gridlock from 2011 going forward, just where is it the rights fault?

Perhaps you think obama and company are just incompetent and incapabile of leading the US? Is that it?

I don't really have a problem with Obama's latest apology...it was an incident, even though unintentional, that caused distress to another culture. However, that apology should have been followed by "any acts of retribution will be dealt with harshly", or words to that effect.

As someone posted earlier, there should be 400 dead Afghani protesters at the site where our troops were injured.

If we're not there to win this war, why are we involved? Did we learn nothing from Viet Nam?

The issue started when the people responsible for clearing out these "items" for destruction either failed to recognize the Koran(s), or didn't care. Either way, the Koran(s) were treated as garbage, THAT is what tripped the violent reactions.

Had there been a knowledgeable person in charge, who directed the separation of the Koran(s) for proper disposal, this would not have occurred. Bottom line, the officer and/or NCO in charge failed to provide proper guidance/supervision.

The Koran is not just the Islamic equivalent of the Christian Bible, it is also their Law. The people are "schooled" in the Koran their entire lives. The majority of the population is, and historically has been, illiterate. Therefore, they are subjected to the interpretation of the Koran as presented to them "orally" by "religious leaders" who have developed/encouraged a following designed to support their interpretation. The "followers" do as they are directed by these "religious leaders" because they are "told" it is the correct thing to do.

We are not just fighting the Taliban, we are fighting the influence of religious leaders who are afraid of losing their influence. Unfortunately, the majority of our focus has been on defeating the militants, and not on trying to develop influence with "key" religious leaders, which is what our State Department people should have been doing in conjunction with the military.

Bottom Line: State failed us in Iraq and Afghanistan. The military tried hard, and did the best they could against the insurgents, but did too little, too late with the populace(shades of Viet Nam). We need to get out. It is a shame to leave, but if the political leaders can not get their religious leaders to stop the riots, which they've not been able to do before, then we have to leave.

On YOU TUBE

"My Apology to President Kazari on Behalf of Americans".

Obama should have never ever apologized. He should have explained why the US soldiers did what they did. What does he do instead? Apologize. What an idiot. And now we have dead soldiers because of this stupid mistake by Obama. He should have remained silent on this issue. It was a security matter. The media will never question Obama about his mistake and its pretty sad. Where is Jon Stewart, David Letterman, Bill Maher and the others ridiculing Obama on this? They are silent.

This is just insane. Afghanistan is a totally dysfunctional country and society under the sway of religious fanatacism. We're already scheduled to get out of there by 2014 - is there any reason to think we'll manage to accomplish anything more there by way of building up a stable government in the next 2 years that we haven't already done in the past 11 years?

Seriously doubt it. At this point all we're doing is marking time while propping up an incompetent, corrupt, and incredibly ungrateful (considering that its writ doesn't extend much farther than the reach of our ground troops), government.

They'll be just as fakked up in 2014 as they are today. Maybe worse. So why don't we spare ourselves the casualties and expenses we'll incur between now and then and pull out?

Jo Ann, he didn't know why they were burned, and the violence was getting worse, with two soldiers dead BEFORE he apologized. He tried to resort to peace, not surrender. But apparently that didn't work, and the Taliban has taken this opportunity. And no one will question him because it was the right call, for saying "I'm sorry" in a country as poor and chaotic as Afghanistan.

Head Priest of temple of Syrinx

Get your point Mackey but it's not going to happen.

Change the RoE. Kill the hostiles. End the nonsense.

Sadly, WE are the hostiles. Get out of their now.

I think we have to draw a distinction here. If we in fact are at war, there are NO innocents in Afghanistan. Sitting by and watching their countrymen doing wrong makes them complicit and accomplices. In winning a war, other than a political one, you don't apologize for anything, you annihilate them, beat them into submission and then go home. Apologize? We deserve an apology from their society for having to deal with their incompetency of creating a law abiding society, costing us our soldiers and our wealth.

.........and to think these morons in the Mister Roger's Neighborhood known as Washington want us to get involved in Syria, and THEN go to war with IRAN, using the same rules of engagement that have kept our troops in this quicksand in Afghanistan for TEN EFFING YEARS.

Boy, the idiot train in this Country keeps getting longer and longer, doesn't it? Keeps adding more and more cars.

Many happy returns. Pffffffft.

But John, are we really winning? Two wars that helped us make 2 trillion dollars in debt alone, a failed insurgence by NATO a few years back, an interim government that can't do anything... maybe we should apologize to this country and Iraq, and no, just because the Taliban wants to kill doesn't mean we should always go to war. Look how we sat back and watched the Tunisians die for 23 years. Afghanistan has no value to us. Let us leave.

The Cat of Nyan

I think you misunderstand my opinion. If we truly are at war, pull our troops out, fuel air bomb the entire country, be done, as a warning to anyone else who would attacks us.

Well, that surely is radical. How about we just pull our troops out. What do we have in Afghanistan?

Get our troops out of these cesspool countries. There is no interest for America here, there is no increase to our security. The bull@!$%# is just the latest pathetic attempt by a group of sociopaths to take over the world. Bring our troops home and after we do let's send all these wacky chicken hawks that say we should stay over there, over there in place of our soldiers. Let them deal with these cesspools first hand.

That is kind of my point. A serious case needed to be made to go to war, and the seriousness needs to play a part understanding what it takes to win. WWII was the last war that we won. The rest since then were politics killing our youth.

MACKIE IS RIGHT!

Time to pack it in and COME HOME!

Both these wars WERE MANUFACTURED BY MAD MEN,all for the sole purpose of their PERSONAL GAIN WEALTH AND GREED! Nothing More or Nothing Less!

They used the US Military to do all their DIRTY WORK! We've gained absolutely NOTHING OUT OF THIS MANUFACTURED BULL SH IT! All that was gained were MAIMED AND DEAD PEOPLE,AND ALL FOR WHAT? ALL FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

malene wrote,

"The wars since 9/11 have cost the US taxpayer over $4.4 TRILLION and 225,000 American lives and for what? So the military industrial complex can sell their weapons and make $billions in profits?

Osama Bin Laden was killed (in Pakistan) and I say mission accomplished.

Bring our troops home now!"

48,430 is the number of troop killed in both Iran and Afghanistan since 9/11/2001 source wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

Your ability to count explains why your party can not submit and pass a budget!

Cost of wars since 9/11/2001 about 1.3 trillion and rising. source. costofwar.com/en/

Again you can not be trusted to tell any kind of truth since you and your party can not add and subtract...both functions necessary to develop and follow a budget.

Actually Notsosure10....you don't read so well yourself....maybe that is the problem, your party can't read a simple table....which would be the requirement to be able to understand a budget if one was done. Don't let that worry you....been that way for a long time.

I didn't check on the cost figures but I suspect they are wrong and who would believe what they came up with anyway.

Just to set the record straight....Number of DEATHS combined Iraq & Afghanistan is 6580, of that 4977 were in combat.

Let's see that is about 6580 too many....."on 9/11 they attacked our shores and murdered 3000 poor souls so we got pissed off and went and sacraficed 6000 more" and counting.

I want to extend my sincere condolences to the families of the Army Colonel and Major who were killed by Afghanistan security forces over this “burning Koran” episode. If we had resolute leadership, including in the White House, we would have explained that these Islamic terrorist enemy combatants being detained at the Parwan facility had used the Koran to write jihadist messages to pass to others. In doing so, they violated their own cultural practice and defiled the Koran. Furthermore, they turned the Koran into contraband. Therefore, Islamic cultural practice and Parwan detention facility procedures support burning the “contraband.”

Instead here we go again, offering apology after apology and promising to “hold those responsible accountable.” Responsible for what?

When tolerance becomes a one-way street it leads to cultural suicide. This time it immediately led to the deaths of two American Warriors. America is awaiting the apology from President Hamid Karzai.

Notsosure10, I agree with your post, but one of your statistics is worded incorrectly.

"48,430 is the number of troop killed in both Iran and Afghanistan since 9/11/2001"

should read:

48,430 is the number of troops killed AND WOUNDED in both IRAQ and Afghanistan since 9/11/2001.

5,860 is the number of combat troops KILLED in both wars.

@ MIKELA

You are soooo missing the boat with your philosophy. It's not the actual wars, or the US trying to protect people who are being tortured by an un-official rule in a region, or the US going in to boot a dictator out of the country of a peaceful ally after invading it, or the fact that the peaceful ally is sitting on tons of oil. It's not the US going to war at all that's the problem. We went to war in WWII and although people hated the "war" part they were grateful (except the french) that we did what we did. Back then the casualty count was half a million American military and millions of other countries military. BUT it was a different time with different technology but most of all a different mind-set.

Now when it comes to war we are capable of getting a job done nearly as fast as it's started however; the politically correct bull s$%& that follows us into war is so overwhelming that our men and women are handcuffed going in. There are more rules put on our troops than there are our prison inmates. Here's the kicker...you and people like you keep spewing that this accidental (I don't care if it was purposeful) event is costing Americans lives. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. What's costing Americans their lives is the fact that again, people like you demand so much political correctness from our military that they can't effectively do what they are supposed to do.

You and people like you give more respect and value to this radical religion and it's book than you do the religion that is overwhelmingly the majority of our own country. You hold the destructive and hate filled values of these radical Muslims to a much higher value than our own. I don't give a rip if you're atheist or not...that just fuels my argument. If you have no use for religion than you should certainly have no use for these neanderthals! But for some reason you and the barack administration keep trying to push religion out of this country while giving it such priority when it comes to our ENEMY. Make up your liberal minds.

The fact is, yep, I would do things differently and the first would be to not give a rip about some books being damaged during war time. If we are committing human lives to a war you're damn right I would make sure that it was over quickly. In the process a whole bunch of mosques would be destroyed if those flea bags were hiding in them...a whole bunch of korans would be destroyed (because they're mass produced books, I shouldn't need to say more), and our men and women would have been home a long time ago. BUT you and those like you don't allow that to happen because for some reason the panty waste politicians that make the decisions to go to war don't have the stones to actually show the true force of the US military and conduct a swift, vengeful, WAR. It sure as hell isn't pretty but if were going to do it we need to do it.

MIKELA that is what's killing our men and women...not some books being burned. If we acted how we should when these people get up in arms about us, even though we are literally the hand that feeds them, they would not be acting like they are. Even dogs know not to bite the hand that feeds them because they are taught lessons. Here's the lesson that you, those like you and the barack administration like to teach our enemies; Get mad at us, burn our flag, cut off the heads of our citizens, kill our military for korans getting destroyed and you get........ an apology from our president?! That's why we are perceived as week and that's why we are being laughed at. The blood of these US men and women are on the hands of those who are too politically correct to actually commit to a war that we engage in, and on the hands of those who give justification to thesw animals when acting like they do...in other words; people like you.

When at war, we kill to protect and save lives, they kill just to kill.

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> Total employment: 208,220
> Sector: Aircraft, Electronics, Engines

Hartford, Conn.-based United Technologies is a multicompany industrial conglomerate with subsidiaries that include elevator company Otis and refrigeration giant Carrier. The company also manufactures components for use in military aircraft and vehicles. One of its subsidiaries, Pratt & Whitney, builds aircraft engines for dozens of different fighter jets. Among the jets equipped with Pratt & Whitney engines are the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the latter of which is being produced by the hundreds for nine different countries. United Technologies is also heavily involved in aircraft manufacturing. It owns Sikorsky, one of the largest helicopter manufacturers in the world. Sikorsky builds the popular UH-60 Black Hawk. Roughly one-fifth of United Technologies’ total revenue came from arms sales in 2010.

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9. L-3 Communications (NYSE: LLL)
> Arms sales 2010: $13.07 billion
> Total sales 2010: $15.68 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 83%
> Total profit: $0.96 billion
> Total employment: 63,000
> Sector: Electronics, Services

L-3 Communications is a top contractor in fields such as communications, intelligence and surveillance. According to the company, its customers include nearly every defense, intelligence and security agency in the U.S., as well as allied foreign governments and commercial customers. Among its many products, the company produces the L-3 SmartDeck, a fully integrated cockpit system, and the AVCATT mobile aviation training simulator, designed for the U.S. Army. Although the company’s arms sales have increased steadily for a number of years, their rate of increase slowed significantly between 2009 and 2010. The company’s rank among largest arms producers fell from 2007’s eighth to ninth in 2010.

8. Finmeccanica
> Arms sales 2010: $14.41 billion
> Total sales 2010: $24.76 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 58%
> Total profit: $0.74 billion
> Total employment: 75,200
> Sector: Aircraft, Artillery, Electronics, Missiles, Military vehicles, Small arms/ammunition

Italian defense contractor Finmeccanica is the largest high-tech industrial group in Italy. Partially owned by the Italian government, the conglomerate has a large array of products in six areas: aeronautics, helicopters, defense systems and electronics, space, transportation and energy. The company has formed dozens of joint ventures in Europe and the rest of the world. Notable Finmeccanica enterprises include helicopter manufacturer Augusta Enterprises, missile manufacturer MBDA and EuroTorp, the world’s leading antisubmarine torpedo manufacturer. In 2007, Finmeccanica was the number nine weapons manufacturer in the world. In 2010, it moved to eighth, with a 46% increase in sales over that time.

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7. EADS
> Arms sales 2010: $16.36 billion
> Total sales 2010: $60.60 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 27%
> Total profit: $0.73 billion
> Total employment: 121,690
> Sector: Aircraft, Electronics, Missiles, Space

European company EADS, short for European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company N.V., is the second of three non-U.S. companies on this list. The corporation, which includes major subsidiaries such as Airbus, is a leader in aerospace and defense products. EADS has a 37% share in missile manufacturer MBDA, and is one of the companies responsible for the development of the Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet. Only 27% of EADS’s sales are arms sales, which is the second-smallest share among the largest arms-producing companies. The company has a major presence in markets in the Middle East, North America, Europe and more.

6. Raytheon (NYSE: RTN)
> Arms sales 2010: $22.98 billion
> Total sales 2010: $25.18 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 91%
> Total profit: $1.88 billion
> Total employment: 72,400
> Sector: Electronics, Missiles

Raytheon is a Cambridge, Mass.-based American defense contractor. It is the world’s largest manufacturer of guided missiles and produces such widely used weapons as the AIM-7 Sparrow missile, the AIM-9 Sidewinder missile and the BGM-109 Tomahawk. The company is also responsible for the Air Warfare Simulation program used by the U.S. Air Force. In 2010, the company had nearly $23 billion in arms sales, more than 90% of its total revenue for the year. These sales were up 17% from 2007.

5. General Dynamics (NYSE: GD)
> Arms sales 2010: $23.94 billion
> Total sales 2010: $32.47 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 74%
> Total profit: $2.62 billion
> Total employment: 90,000
> Sector: Artillery, Electronics, Military vehicles, Small arms/ammunition, Ships

General Dynamics is an American defense company that deals in aerospace, combat systems, information systems and technology, and marine systems. Although the company has been around since 1952, it has enjoyed a resurgence beginning in the 1990s, thanks largely to a number of mergers. Since 1997 General Dynamics says it has acquired more than 50 companies. Over this same period, its revenue increased from $4 billion to more than $32 billion. It also added more than 60,000 employees to its workforce. Currently, 74% of the company’s sales are arms sales. General Dynamics owns Electric Boat and Bath Iron Works, two of the largest naval vessel builders in the world. General Dynamics is notable known for its Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, the Seawolf-class submarine, the M1 Abrams tank and the Arleigh-Burke-class destroyer.

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4. Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC)
> Arms sales 2010: $28.15 billion
> Total sales 2010: $34.76 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 81%
> Total profit: $2.05 billion
> Total employment: 117,100
> Sector: Aircraft, Electronics, Missiles, Ships, Space

Northrop Grumman is the fourth-largest weapons contractor in the U.S. The company, which is based in Falls Church, Va., is one of the leaders in aerospace technology and the leading producer of naval vessels in the world. The company manufactures Nimitz-class carriers that are the current flagships of the U.S. Navy. And over the next few years it is also set to build the new, $9.7 billion Gerald R. Ford-class supercarriers. Northrop Grumman also develops radar systems for aircraft and ground defense, sensor systems for a variety of vehicles and several unmanned aircraft and drones. Weapons systems sales accounted for 81% of company revenue in 2010. Arms sales grew by approximately $3.5 billion between 2007 and 2010.

3. Boeing (NYSE: BA)
> Arms sales 2010: $31.36 billion
> Total sales 2010: $64.31 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 49%
> Total profit: $3.31 billion
> Total employment: 160,500
> Sector: Aircraft, Electronics, Missiles, Space

As recently as 2007, Boeing was the largest arms producer in the world. By 2008, it had fallen behind Lockheed Martin and U.K.-based BAE Systems. The aerospace and defense company remains one of the largest in the world, however. Boeing is the second-largest aircraft producer in the world by deliveries, behind only Airbus. It is also the second-largest U.S. government contractor, procuring just under $19.5 billion in contracts in 2010. Major products produced by the company include the KC-767, an aerial refueling tanker, and the F-15 fighter jet. Boeing made less in arms sales in 2010 than it did in 2009, although arms sales made up a larger amount of total sales — two percentage points, to be exact — in 2010 compared to 2009. Even in 2010, however, only 49% of revenue came from arms sales, which is among the lowest rates among companies on this list.

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2. BAE Systems
> Arms sales 2010: $32.88 billion
> Total sales 2010: $34.61 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 95%
> Total profit: $1.67 billion
> Total employment: 98,200
> Sector: Aircraft, Artillery, Electronics, Missiles, Military vehicles, Small arms/ammunition, Ships

BAE Systems is an aerospace and defense contractor based in the UK. The company has a major U.S. subsidiary, BAE Systems, Inc., which by itself would be the seventh-largest weapons manufacturer in the world. The British company was formed in 1999 through the merger of Marconi Electronics (which was at the time a subsidiary of GE) and British Aerospace. BAE produces weapons systems in nearly every major military category, including aircraft, defense electronics, vehicles, naval vessels and small arms. Among the company’s notable contributions are the M2/M3 Bradley fighting vehicle, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Type 45 destroyer and the Astute-class nuclear submarine. In 2010, 95% of its revenue came from arms sales, $32.88 billion in all.

1. Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT)
> Arms sales 2010: $35.73 billion
> Total sales 2010: $45.80 billion
> Arms sales as pct. of total sales: 78%
> Total profit: $2.93 billion
> Total employment: 132,000
> Sector: Aircraft, Electronics, Missiles, Space

Lockheed Martin is the largest arms-producing and military services company in the world, with nearly $3 billion more in arms sales than second place BAE Systems. Although military sales make up the majority of its revenue, it is significantly less than many other major arms-producers, including BAE’s 95% share. In addition to being the world’s largest arms-seller, Lockheed is also the largest federal contractor in the U.S. by a large margin. In 2010, the company’s government contracts totaled nearly $36 billion. Lockheed produces a number of major products, including the Trident missile and the F-16 and F-22 fighter jets. Despite being the largest military service company on this list, Lockheed is only the fourth-largest company by overall sales among the companies featured on this list. In 2007, the Lockheed was the third-largest arms producer.

Barack Obama Promise to End War

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"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. " - Barack Obama Campaign Promise - October 27, 2007

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What bank would that be Barack???

And why should we put any credibility at all in your koran burning apology or any of your other many un-fulfilled promises??

We need a real leader.

(Unfortunately, with the monkeys the republicans are running, we can look forward to 4 more years of Barack.)

The sad thing is that for political reasons our troops can't even defend themselves. I'm with you, time to pull out and let them all go to hell.

SI

@ alan; Yes, this stems from ignorance and illiteracy. The Imams in Afghanistan are the fuel behind alot of these riots. The religous leaders are ultimately responsible for their followers death, as they are the ones who incite this far beyond what it should of been.

Mikela go to you know where, chances are it wasn't any Soldiers accidentally burning the devils book (koran) the burn pits are run by private contractors on the base. It was an accident and no way in hel should people die over an honest mistake.

What is the correct spelling of Quran, Koran and how many ways can you spell it?

Koran- English translation
Quran- modern Arabic
Qu'ran- ancient spelling,

Misspelling the Quran means one week of riots. Most people in Afghanistan can't even read the Quran, (Koran, whatever.)

How exactly, does one "inadvertantly" burn a Koran, in a Muslim country, and then not complete the job so that no evidence remains of that supposed mistake? None of this makes much sense.

It's because the dumb@sses were using local Afghan workers to help in the burning. It was they who saw the partially burned books. What gets me is why are those workers still alive? They helped burn them, if not did the entire job themselves. Why aren't those mighty upset Imam's calling for their deaths?

It's because it's not about the books, it simply another excuse to run wild and act all primal.

Act all TRIBAL. Religion is about Tribalism.

The demonstrators gather in a crowd, and then one of them throws a grenade at Americans, hoping for a lot of civilians to get killed so they can accuse the Americans of killing civilians. They have no regard for human life - anything to advance their primitive beliefs.

It's time to re-examine our goals in Afghanistan. Since they hate the Americans so much, it's probably time to remove our troops and let them form their own government - if they can. If the Taliban massacre their own people and treat their women like slaves, perhaps that's the price they pay for their adherence to a barbaric interpretation of Islam.

If we don't like the government that they form, merely send in some drones and tell them -"Try again". Eventually, we'll get a government we can tolerate.

Oddly, I agree with you, ROY. Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world, with a completely dysfunctional government under Karzai, and a dictatorship under the Taliban. Honestly, if we are to be the savior of every person on the planet, why don't we invade North Korea?

"why don't we invade North Korea?"

Because we'd lose.

Or at least the cost of winning would be much, much higher than anything else we have considered.

Crazy people...don't need a reason

yes...no troops...true shock and ah my GOD

We have the technology...we can rebuild him...6 million dollar man (I think that's funny)

We just need too be committed and not...eh...we will just do this and spend a ton of money too fix what we blow up...stupid

Oh yea...that was BUSH...how stupid of me

TESLA..easy come...easy go

If you forget the past...you are doomed too repeat it

Do not let any more of our troops die for our government if this is what our government has in mind.

In a shocking case out of Pennsylvania, a judge has thrown out an assault charge against a Muslim immigrant based on Sharia law.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/selwyn-duke/10998-pa-court-muslim-judge-uses-sharia-law-to-free-muslim-assailant

#3.10

I agree with that statement 100%. Had someone only used that logic back in the 80s...

Let the Taliban have Afghanistan. They don't deserve us.

Let them have whatever they want...just not "our" house

It's time to take out 10-15,000 Afghanis

This situation is not going to get better. The damage has boon done and now there's nothing more to do there- let's pull out our troops now and leave this land behind in the Stone Age where they'll always be.

ROY WILSON-336103 - The demonstrators gather in a crowd, and then one of them throws a grenade at Americans, hoping for a lot of civilians to get killed so they can accuse the Americans of killing civilians.

That is called Asymmetric Warfare, Strategic Goal to gain the Local, National, and International Support of their (Taliban) Cause(s). The second Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal of Defeating the Local, National, and International Support of the ISAF, US, NATO Cause(s) and Goals. By doing this they can get more of the Population to Fight for their Cause(s), as one of the most important Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goals. From many observations, it is usually the average age of Combatants that are easily convinced to Fight for your Cause(s), with the easiest being Students (mimimal or no Real World Experience and lots of Academic Idealism).

ROY WILSON-336103 - It's time to re-examine our goals in Afghanistan. Since they hate the Americans so much, it's probably time to remove our troops and let them form their own government - if they can. If the Taliban massacre their own people and treat their women like slaves, perhaps that's the price they pay for their adherence to a barbaric interpretation of Islam.

That is also a Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal, to Defeat the National Will to Fight, or continue the Fight of your Enemy, and your Enemy's Population. If you think that the common Afghan wants the Taliban to massacre them, then the Taliban have achieved a Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal. You can see from most of the posts that the US has already lost the National Will To Fight or Continue the Fight; this only gives the Taliban another Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal.

ROY WILSON-336103 - If we don't like the government that they form, merely send in some drones and tell them -"Try again". Eventually, we'll get a government we can tolerate.

MQs (Drones) do not work that way since they are not that accurate and require Terminal Guidance (Real Time Targetting) as "Boots on the Ground" as occurred with US Military Asymmetric Warfare Teams attached to SAD/SOG at Libya, and at President Obama's "Secret Wars" (one being Yemen as blabbed by Senator Lieberman, with us being redeployed from Afghanistan), and can still be defeated by low tech or no tech methods. The previous use of MQs (Drones) and their inaccuracies at Yemen (before we were redeployed to do the real time targetting) resulted in the people of Yemen demanding US Ally President of Yemen OUT as the inaccuracies were resulting in excessive unnecessary Yemeni Civilian deaths, this enabling Al Quada Yemen to achieve their Asymmetric Warfare Strategic Goals of obtaining increased Local, National, International Support and Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal of undermining a US Ally Established Government, etc..

Chris from Yucaipa - It was they who saw the partially burned books. What gets me is why are those workers still alive?

Because by Apologizing President Obama admitted Guilt, US Responsibility and US Liability. The proper way to have done this would have been to promise (a Politician promising something) an Investigation; then after the "investigation" dumping all the blame on the Afghan Workers that are paid a ton of money (relative to what the average Afghan has) that lite the fires at the burn pit to begin with. Then having the Afghan Workers publicly apologize.

The Cat of Nyan - dysfunctional government under Karzai,

You really believe that? President Karzai has to worry about the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban as backed by Fundamentalist Islamic Iran from becoming the Government of Afghanistan again; and then the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban massacring all the Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers once again, like they massacred the 20,000 to 50,000 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen (that we (US Military Training Teams attached to SAD/SOG trained to defeat the USSR 40th Army Occupation under Operation Cyclone). So literally it is President Karzai's neck on the line (his head to be chopped off by the Taliban); and what do the US Politicians have at risk, NOTHING.

It was President Karzai that requested that General McChrystal investigate President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry spending hundreds of Billions of USDs with nothing being built nor done, so when President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry found out about the Investigations to deflect the blame they started screaming "Karzai Corrupt" with this giving the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Al Quada, etc. the Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goal of undermining the Enemy's Allies and Established Government. To stop General McChrystal's Investigations they kept demanding that President Obama fire him. After a Deal from President Obama General McChrystal tendered his Letter of Resignation. President Karzai requested that General Petraeus investigate President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry. Without letting President Obama know the contents of his Invesigations General Petraeus gave his Investigation results to President Karzai. President Karzai then demanded based on the General McChrystal and General Petraeus Investigations that President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry account for every dime they spent at "His" Country. President Obama's Political Appointee Eikenberry tenders his Letter of Resignation to President Obama. President Obama's Political Appointee Holbrooke "Strains His Heart" and dies on the Operating Table at Pakistan. The hundreds of Billions are NOT accessible by the Afghan Government nor the US Military, only the US Department of State can access these hundreds of Billions USDs. Because General Petraeus did not let President Obama know the contents of his Investigations of President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry, President Obama started asking for General Petraeus's Letter of Resignation, and later made a deal with him to get his Letter of Resignation. President Obama's previous deals were with General McKiernan and General McChrystal, as President Obama had insufficient justifications that would require Public US Congressional Hearings that would have destroyed President Obama's Political Career. So three Expert US Military Generals in a Row Relieved of Command by President Obama.

What President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry did; was to do what the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Al Quada, Hamas Foreign Fighters, Pakistanis Taliban, Army of Islam Pakistan, Haqqini Network, etc. could not do thru Military means; defeat the one US Military Expert in US Military Asymmetric Warfare, General McChrystal (go read his Biography, or in my case having worked with him attached to his Joint Special Operations Task Force at Iraq.). It was Admiral McRaven with lots of input from General McChrystal that came up with certain plans, and General Petraeus as Commander Afghanistan later on being held Responsible (Politically Expedient Scapegoat for the Mission's Failure, and no credit for the Mission's success; the Mission at Pakistan).

So that is just my "opinion" based on participating in Operation Cyclone, coming here weeks after the 9/11 2001 Attacks, going to Iraq for 2002 Operation Hotel California, then being here living with the locals since then conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare.

alan_static - Have fun living in the stone age Afghans.

From the 1950s to till the USSR 40th Army Occupation, US Ally Afghanistan was a 20th Century Nation as built up by the US as a "Little America". After the US Abandoned US Ally Afghanistan the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban fully supported by USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Iran then massacred all the 20,000 to 50,000 US Ally 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, their Families, Relatives, In Laws, Friends, etc. and became the Government of Afghanistan they destroyed everything that was "Non Islamic", "Modern", "Western" then literally the lights went out at Afghanistan after the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government destroyed the Electric Power Plants.

David,

I agree with your approach of not apologizing (although I often wonder if the reason some high official makes an apology from afar is to keep offended people afar from them; there are certainly more "directors" than leaders), but rather undertaking a highly promulgated investigation. Apology is often perceived as complicity, absent thorough investigation - and, if the Afghanis have as much disparity as shown on these posts, some will accept an apology with reason, and others will always be unreasonable.

As to having the responsible Afghan workers apologize, I doubt they would - if so, they're dead (but not quickly, as apostasy is anathema).

Hmmm... To my way of thinking about this matter, there should be 400 dead demonstrators.

President Obama needs to take very punitive, decisive action now, not next week. If it were up to me, I would arrange a mass Muslim holy book burning. Spray them with pig's blood, and then set fire to thousands of those books.

Then, I would order immediate withdrawal of all U.S. troops - with the instructions that they burn or blow up everything they have to leave behind.

If demonstrators gather to protest the burning of the Muslim holy books, they should be told to disperse or risk being shot. If they did not leave, open fire on them and kill as many of them as possible.

We are dealing with a feudal society, on an unequal playing field. The United States cannot drag a feudal society of 300 to 500 years ago into the present. The Soviet Union learned that, at great cost of troops and dollars. The only thing the muslim terrorists respect is violence.

We need to leave now, and leave nothing behind, except the dead bodies of Muslim extremists.

The Americans were wounded when one of the protesters apparently hurled a grenade into the compound.

That not a protest. It's an attack. US soldiers should of emptied their magazines on the entire mob right then and there.

President Barack Obama’s readiness to apologize for an apparently accidental
Koran-burning incident is a signal of weakness that actually incites further
unrest, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton says.

In
an exclusive interview with Newsmax Saturday afternoon, Bolton said that
President Obama’s apologies are only making things worse.

“Look, you
apologize when you’ve done something wrong and you want to make amends,” Bolton
said. “You don’t apologize when makes you admit to a mistake that you haven’t
made, and in fact in this case incites the people to do some of these things,
because they think the apology is an admission of wrongdoing. this is the result of saying sorry killing soliders, it is president obama fault not to stand beside the soliders

@ David-475776; I am so tired of seeing your ridiculously long posts about "Asymmetric Warfare" on every board about Muslims that I visit. You take the same basic rant, change a sentence or two to make it appear you're 'answering' someone, and let it fly. I've seen it in boards where it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic being discussed (like that 'Liar, liar, pants on fire' to Cassie....it had nothing to do at all with what she had posted in that thread). It's not so much about the point you're making, as it is about the fact that you post the same mile long comment over and over and over, oftentimes in threads where it has no pertinent value. Please, develop a new subject to rant about or just stop!

the death sentence handed down by Iran against an Iranian pastor who
converted from Islam to Christianity.

Did we see any protesting around the world? no

All these years of BS just for cheap Heroin?? Amazing. They can behead homosexuals, sow 12 year old vaginas shut, treat their women like prisoners, execute people for changing religion, kill us for burning a book, and we just bend over and take it up the pipe? I agree with most of you, get out and let them all rot in Hell.

All of this over the burning, by accident, of a BOOK.

All of this, from people of a 'faith' that is against idolatry.

Anyone else see the irony here?

Apparently they don't, despite our billions of dollars and thousands of lives wasted on winning their hearts and minds.

We should pull out. Utterly.

If, in a few years, they come poking us in any way, we drop something very nasty in the middle of one of their bigger cities.

If they do it again - lather, rinse, repeat.

All the while, we air drop iPhones and laptops and beam them free internet.

Sooner or later, the young people will figure things out, and this will end.

I really don't have any other better ideas other than a global, concentrated purge - an expungement - of radical Islam by every western nation.

Because once they DO get the bomb - and they will, either by buying one or making one - they'll use it on us.

And then you'll see an 'ethnic cleansing' the likes of which the world has never witnessed.

David-475776. Thank you for again posting knowledgeable information instead of the typical leftwing phony drivel one typically sees here on newsvine. Although we all know that many mistakes were made during the Bush administration, they still pale in comparison to the dominoes that have started toppling under Obama. You are correct that we are at a loss for letting Obama force out McChrystal to massage his own ego. We could definitely use a leader now instead of the current clown in the white house. Obama wouldn't defer to the experts, instead he showed repeatedly his only interest is shoring up his political base to aid in his re-election. Unfortunately his base has zero understanding of the enemy's we face, and Obama is more concerned about his popularity than he is with the future of America and the world as we know it.

Sorry folks, but I'm fed up with the problems in other "worlds". Nuke the sob's and let the intelligent rule the place. Any "religion" which promotes blowing-up yourself in order to spread your beliefs is rediculous.

I am waiting for the President to say " I am sorry that you killed our young men and women"

We accidently burned some of their holy books. General Allen and our President apoligized. That is sufficient, especially so within the practicality of war. Any more demonstrations in our troops faces, we must kill'em. If we are not going to do that, then get the hell out. We cannot suffer death and injury upon our men and women there to satisfy sentimentality.

We are still there to "keep Alqaeda out"??

Duh...they skipped town, they're in Yemen now,..OBL is dead...

So tell me again...why are we still there???????

Oh yeah..nation building for neanderthals.

We're fighting a war that we can never win. Here's our big mistake: our leadership doesn't know who or what our enemy is. No one can succeed against an enemy he cannot name.

@jrsyjorg: You're right to bring up al Qaida. We can never really defeat them because they are everywhere and nowhere. They aren't a country. They don't have a government calling the shots. They are, I believe, still present and making trouble in Afghanistan. They are also in force behind the opposition fighters in Syria. They are spread throughout the Muslim world.

They are not an organized army. They gather, disperse, regroup, and fade back into their populations.

Unlike in previous major wars, we are not fighting countries, governments, or nations. What we are up against is an ideology that has proclaimed us as the enemy eternally and for no reason except the only one that counts: we are not Muslim. And until that changes, and every one of us converts, and we give up our nation to the world caliphate, ruled by the one Islamic caliph under strict shariah law, they will always be at war with us.

So apologizing over the burning of some Qurans was exactly the wrong response. It is actually the ideology, the teaching in the Quran, that is the motivator for all the violence against us (let me remind some readers, that it was in response to violence against us, on our own shores, that we sent troops into the Middle East in the first place).

What we are engaged in, whether we call it that or not, is a global war of ideologies. We didn't choose this; it was thrust upon us. But we have a president now, and many on both sides of the aisle in our government, who do not understand this. They are absolutely clueless.

The apologies were one, of many, symptoms. Another is the fairy tale belief that we can send our soldiers over there to "win over hearts and minds" if we only play our cards right.

We can't win over an ideology whose reason for living is world domination for Islam. We can only either defeat them into quiescence, or surrender to them. Right now, it looks like, we're on the path of surrender.

livia - I like the cut 'o your jib!

Here's a little history lesson. After the Russians gave up,the Taliban took over their object,MASS growing of poppies to help fund the group by mass herion production,purpose was to send the DOPE to U.S.!! From then herione was the GWP.Every part of taliban ,government and the people were involved in it. Taliban made millions from it and farmers were forced to grow poppies!! They were there the largest "Cartel" ever!! When U.S. got envolved it ruined their Dope Biz.!! Every Muslim wants us DEAD!! These Towel-heads are animals,YES I HATE THEM with good REASON!! I.E USS Cole ,1st WTC bombed ,1st time attacks on our Embasscies,9/11 up all the reacent killings .Get out or TAKE THE GLOVERS OFF!!

We submit to subservience via apologies over burned trash, We negotiate with terrorists and we allow a cult called Islam to enjoy the freedoms of our country while it plots to destroy and rule us.. The trolley has derailed and our government is out to lunch with the men in white jackets.. I am going to puke.............

Here is a good national policy. We should pull out of Afghanistan, stop all funds to all Muslim countries. Start drilling for our own oil so we do not need theirs, and then arm everyone of them to the teethe, let them kill each other and end the end we can come in and do what we set out to do with 10% of the population. There is not one Muslim that is worth losing one American life over anymore. They do not want us there, they hate us, and so let them do what they have been doing for the last thousand years, go on killing one another. And if you bleeding heart liberals have a fit about what I am saying, I just lost a loved one to them and figure they are not worth losing one hair off my head.

steel toed boot - @ David-475776; I am so tired of seeing your ridiculously long posts about "Asymmetric Warfare" on every board about Muslims that I visit.

And you know about Asymmetric Warfare how? Asymmetric Warfare and Islam has been my Job since the 1980s. What is YOUR Firsthand Experience? And like I explained before my motive is to leave a written record of what I have experienced just in case.

And I proved Cassie out right lied about reading the Holy Koran (Quran) in relation to what Cassie posted. As Cassie did not even know all of the Islamic Laws that are based on the Suras of the Holy Koran (Quran).

With that stated, in less than 3 months, I could care less about what happens here (Afghanistan) as I will finally get to go back on Retirement and NEVER be Recalled to Active Duty again (and again and again). This will all be on someone else to learn Farsi, Arabic, Islam, US Military Asymmetric Warfare, and risk their own lives for future decades.

You want to dispute the Facts that I post, fine, post your own Facts, like how I disputed everything that Cassie posted.

As far as seeming to be spamming, I do not copy and paste, I am typing everything (and sometimes make mistakes). And if it seems to you that I am repeating the same information over and over again, it is because the Experienced or Researched Facts do not change. Just like a Scientific Experiment is repeatable over and over again with the same Results, if you lack the cognitive reasoning skills to have learned that or where not educated to that Fact, so be it, that is your loss, not mine.

So in relation to this Topic, Asymmetric Warfare, Islam, here (Afghanistan), etc.:

The Original Mac - That not a protest. It's an attack. US soldiers should of emptied their magazines on the entire mob right then and there.

As part of Asymmetric Warfare (a past US Military History Lesson during US Military Asymmetric Warfare Training): The Boston Massacre. Result more Anti British.

Solutions? Non lethal means first to disperse the demonstrations. Identifying and Afghan Law Enforcement (NOT US) arresting the Agitators as "Insurrectionists" attempting to Overthrow a Legal Established Government (do not legitimize them by calling them "Rebels", "Leaders", etc.). What worked for the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban was to ban all News Media out of Afghanistan after they became the Government of Afghanistan; the only exception was USSR Tass News Agency, as the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban were/are supported by USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Iran, this is why it is very rare for US Citizens to actually see the USSR Tass News Agency Videos of the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban massacring the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, their families, relatives, in laws, etc. by beating and torturing them; then hanging them until dead by the neck at the trees at the Afghan Cities as Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers "Die a Horrible Murdering" per current Islamic Laws based on the Holy Koran (Quran)(Again steel toed boot EXPERIENCE barely escaping Afghanistan thru Pakistan).

The News Media making these Demonstrations Public (International knowledge) only stokes the fires for the agitators, and emboldens the demonstrators to commit more violent acts. This is trained in US Military Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency Warfare (so that you can cause a Civil War to Overthrow an Enemy's Government) and Counter Insurgency Warfare to prevent the Insurgents from accomplishing their Strategic Goals)). "Mob Psychology".

Experience conducting US Military Asymmetric Warfare under H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998", formation of the Shiite Iraqis Insurgency to Overthrow President Hussein, factors: Shiites came for Iran generations ago. Shiites are Fundamentalist Islamic Believers, primary language Farsi. Sunnis are the "Moderates", "Pro Western", "Modern", etc. as everything the Shiites are against. Kurdistanis Indo Europeans, Shiites, language form of Farsi. Real Iraqis are Sunnis, Arabs, language Arabic. So using my previous knowledge from Experience during the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars (and Languages (Farsi, Arabic) and knowledge of Islam) it was easy to start the Shiite Population at Iraq to Demonstrate for Iraqis Citizen's Rights, and when denied the Iraqis Citizen's Rights, form a Shiite Iraqis Insurgency.

Second example: Weeks after the 9/11 2001 Attacks, US Military Asymmetric Warfare Teams attached to SAD/SOG going into Afghanistan to Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government that provided Osama Bin Laden and Al Quada with Islamic Sanctuary; and supported the Islamic Jihadist Training Camps. US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces link up with the Northern Alliance (that hate the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government), other US Military Asymmetric Warfare Teams (Teams I was with (language, knowledge and experience) from previous Operation Cyclone) go into the Afghan Cities, recruit Pro US Afghans, to Distrupt and Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government and engage the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government's Militias (a lot more than expected, so the resulting battles for the Afghan Cities, like the Battle for Mazar I Sharif).

Third example: 2002 just after Both Houses of US Congress Declared War with Iraq. We (US Military Training Teams attached to SAD/SOG) are sent to Northern Iraq to live with the Kurdistanis (again my languages Farsi, Arabic and knowledge of Islam (Shiites versus Sunnis)) to gain their trust, organize them to fight the Iraqis Military as US Military Operation Hotel California.

Fourth example: Currently conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare above 6,000 feet. Primary Missions: 1. US Military Asymmetric Warfare "Humanitarian Assistance" to gain the trust of the Local Population (living with the Locals for years)., 2. Redacted., 3. Organize the Local Population to Fight against the Islamic Jihadist Insurgency as US Military Asymmetric Warfare FID (Foreign Internal Defense) Mission (after Vetting)., 4. Interdict the Islamic Jihadists (US Military Asymmetric Warfare, Counter Insurgency Warfare)., 5. Special Reconassiance., 6. Redacted., 7. Contingency Missions., 8. On Order.

So again, steel toed boot, what is your Formal Education (years College), Formal Training (over a decade), and Decades of Experience in Asymmetric Warfare, Islam, Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc.. And I am talking about matters of Life or Death, as either you know or you are DEAD. Being trained and experienced in Asymmetric Warfare it is very easy to see when others are doing the same thing that you have done or would do.

We have wasted enough money and men in that sh..thole... that war should have ended 9 years ago. Bring everybody home NOW!

Does someone KNOW you are putting this out on the web? I bet they do. You should KEEP looking over your shoulder.

@David - please educate yourself about opium production in Afghanistan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_production_in_Afghanistan

The fact is that opium production has boomed under US occupation and US makes very little effort to change that.

It's time to take out 10-15,000 Afghanis

As long as it's Dutch treat. Would think reservations would probably be needed as well.

Yes, they should open fire. The demonstrations would end fast. One reason why would be that the people prone to demonstrate will be dead. The Taliban are using the demonstrations to infiltrate and kill our people. Treat them like what they are - the enemy! Shoot to kill, stop screwing around with the Afghans.

JIM is right. We should just shoot all those idiot demonstrators. We should protect ourselves when they want to kill us. They are also our enemy, thats why they act this way. I would tell the Cobras to shoot all groups of demonstrators. Enough of this bull sh*t. No more apologies, time to start shooting back. We don't need to act like little girls, but act like tough soldiers and respond appropriately. Ex-Sgt. Infantry Div.

I wonder what the headline would read if the troops had fired upon the demonstrators in this situation...Afghans slain while overwhelming US compound? Sounds like a justifiable use of force to me.

Fire a couple of non-lethal rounds as warning shots and then open up with the M2 and M240 and other crew served weapons...drop some mortar fire on them too! Unfortunately, the ROE probably didn't allow for lethal force, or was confusing enough that no officer/nco would stake their career on such a decision.

What kind of war are we fighting? We are missing opportunity after opportunity when they gather in large groups and throw grenades and shoot at us we should unleash fury upon them. " Shock and Awe" has turned into Aw Shucks! Fight back or get the hell out ! What is the point? Send them all to see their 40 virgins let allah deal with them

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Well, fortunately for all our people over there, none of the dolts posting here are in charge. I suppose that's why you're blatantly spouting utter ignorance and not working in the State Dept. or any other arm of the Executive Branch. You should all thank your lucky stars it isn't you in charge and your loved ones in harm's way. Shooting demonstrators? You all think this is sooo simple. "Yeah, let's go with my sheltered little kneejerk, ignoramous gut feeling and start killing human beings because I can sit here and type it on a message board!" You should be ashamed of yourself. You can't begin to imagine how difficult it is to manage military and other operations in a war zone when, because a couple of GIs apparently either inadvertently or, to be less generous, foolishly screw up an international incident occurs forcing our leaders to exercise damage control from a bad bargaining position. I pray that your ilk keep your mouths shut to keep the whistling sound of your empty heads quiet so we can get out of there asap and without any further unnecessary bloodshed.

We need to use Ghengis Khan tactics - heard the demonstrators to the nearest Taliban mine field and let them clear it.

wow

Where is that bastard Karzai in all this? Why hasn't he called on his backward, ignorant people to be calm and urge restraint? Oh wait, he called for a trial to be held for those responsible. Talk about incitement. It would be nice if some high-ranking General would take the initiative and order our troops out of Afghanistan and back to bases in Germany and France and Greece. Sure he would be court-martialed and ruined but he would be a hero in the eyes of Americans and flooded with support, financial and otherwise. Oh well wishful thinking.

Those 400 protesters should not have been fired upon, as Citiz3n states, for being protesters. However, when they started lobbing grenades that caused injuries to our troops, they went from being protesters to being combatants of the enemy.

Protesters should not be fired upon...combatants MUST be!

On YOU TUBE.!! This is good..!!

"My Apology to President Kazari on Behalf of Americans".

Once again the "O" thinks he speaks for us all. Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a proud American and do not apologize, and frankly am a bit sick of him aplologizing on behalf of me!!!!!!!!!! As to the uproar over there over burning a piece of paper is just another lame excuse to blame America once again. The "O" should be standing tall beside those that are fighing to keep him "free"!!!!!!!

As soon as we start shooting demonstrators, we will be Bashar Assad (not to mention Qhaddafi and Saddam Hussein).

What..the "rules of engagement"

You can't kill...what you can't see

The rules have not changed...just the way we fight a war

GET OUT....NOW

let me get this straight.." a civilian lobs a grenade into a military compound and wounds soldiers" doesnt that that in itself constitute the definition of an enemy combatant? and should the U.S. soldiers in keeping the rules of engagement be able to fire back then?

once a war is declared it shouldnt be in the politians hands to define tactical strategy. Let the soldiers do their jobs. You cant tell me me the U.S. is fully capable of bringing them to their knees in total surrender, unless the politicians dictate how and when to ....screw this.... they are a bunch of armchair generals who dictate to the highest trained and dedicated soldiers in the world, yet due to their armchair quarterbacking we are still there and the enemies regime are still fighting us

We can't open fire on demonstrators because one of them threw a grenade. We are still Americans and we wouldn't open fire on our demonstrators so we shouldn't on theirs either. If anything we should push back the lines where demonstrators can demonstrate, say like not within stones throw maybe? Ya think? What a cluster F....!

Many of those posts are not unlike commentary on Vietnam. As many serving in our military say, "it has not been worth even one life of our military personnel or one cent of our money." There's Ron Paul again imploring us, "Yes, I would leave. I'd leave completely. I'd pull all of our troops out now. We leave the same way we went in. As fast as the ships could pick them up and bring them home. We should be defending this country. We are not the policemen of the world. When are we going to come to our senses." And about another war in Iran - Ron Paul speaks truth to lies, "We have got to stop this! There is no proof Iran has a nuclear weapon and we are ready to attack them. Are we ready to start another war? Russia had thousands of nuclear weapons, but we spoke with them, we used diplomacy, and they were a much greater threat than Iran." Guys, we do have to stop this. We do have to turn over. We are standing on our heads and that's why the world seems to us to be upside down. My son is going out on his 6th deployment. He's been lucky so far - he's only spent 5 years deployed in the field leading men and women around IED's and exploding humvees. Many more soldiers are in their 7th year of deployments. Are our troops tired? Yes. Are they wondering what the hell we're doing? Yes. Are they always there to support us? Yes. Are we always there supporting them? Sadly, no. Supporting them would be more than a sticker on our vehicles or flying a flag on our home. Supporting them would be to respect them and to bring them home.

I'll say this and leave you all to your posting. America hasn't had a 'declared war' since World War II. That's the Constitutional requirement that we have failed to meet since then. Again, we haven't had a 'declared war' since World War II. All of these wars are illegal under our own laws. We can correctly call them police actions. Korea. Grenada. Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan, Libya. How many wars do we want to have in our lifetime? Diplomacy is what I want to be reading about in the headlines of our papers and on our internet daily. "The administration is actively promoting diplomatic relations with Iran." "Hillary Clinton is again visiting Iran, furthering active and ongoing diplomatic efforts to improve American relations with Iran." "President Obama said diplomatic efforts to resolve issues with Iran is one of his highest priorities and he is dedicated to promoting an ever-improving relationship with our Iranian neighbors." This is the stuff I want to read. This is the ongoing effort I want to see. Why aren't we doing it? How about you guys? Do you feel a strong effort should be made for diplomacy with Iran? At all costs? If for no other reason than the tremendous costs we as a country have had to make so far. How much more costs are we willing to pay? A video on JFK, Dr King and Ron Paul. Listen. Think. Act. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNSXnpZi7o0&feature=share

Thanks to our energy policies, the unrelenting lobbying of the oil companies( Thru their trading speculators), and our paid for politicians begging for their money for the last 30 yrs at every election, We the People of the United States are in this mess, as always.

This is what our " Elected " politicians do for "us" the People, Right?

The Oil Shocks of 1973 evidently did not persuade our paid for politicians to detach from Middle Eastern Oil back then, and of course our own population lack of interests on US foreign Policy as well as current events here at home as a country, provided fertile ground for the Lobbying and Political Propaganda Machinery to easily keep everything on a Business as Usual Status since( 1973).

To make matters worst, the only technology available to us, comes at a very steep price ( $ 43,000.00 for a Chevrolet volt ) and the Nissan Leaf is not to far behind in price.

At that steep price, as always only a few can afford it.

So, what was the purpose of developing the Volt technology if only a few can afford it?

If the Volt was selling at about $ 5000.00 above a highly optioned Cruze, or Toyota corolla, ( Around $ 25,000.oo USD), GM would not be able to keep-up with production for the next three years running 3 @!$%#s a day.

So, at $ 4.50/Gal of Gas the average $ 10.00/40Hr worker, is about to shell out 40% of his after tax paycheck just to be able to buy gas to go to work, add to that the rapidly rising price of auto insurance and he/she is effectively using 50 % of their pay-check just to go to work everyday.

And the same happened To Financials, Housing and Deregulation.

Go Congress and the Special Interests USA 2012, Huh?

This is where 30 yrs of Reaganism and Tacherism has led us, a complete meltdown and a contrast with the post-war years from 1947 to 1970, then decade of change

( Of Decadence ), started from 1970 to 1980, and finally in 1981, the special interests really started implemented their plan with the help of " Their Man ".

If you don't believe it, just remember the president of the NYSE( Don Regan) telling President Reagan in live National Television to hurry-Up and quicken his Speech, looking impatiently to Reagan.

Unfortunately, for the younger Generations of today, this new screwed-up system is all they know, and they ( the youngsters) as well as many of their parents, have absolutely no interest in the affairs of this country.

Therefore, the current situation will only worsen as time goes by.

The only problem, is that the next time after this one, the next economic and energetic shock, it will not take 34- 39 yrs to happen, it will be much sooner, severe and we will be " Done " once and for all.

Jerry Springer, Oprah Winfrey and their electronic games is all the youngsters care about, for there is absolutely no sense of civic knowledge or duty in this country anymore.

Ignorance is Bliss, isn't it?

If it worked on President Reagan in the past, it must still work on our General Ignorant Population today, right?

Don't believe it?

Watch this small video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcL6Xc_eMM

Enjoy $ 5.00/Gal of gas this summer,

"We are going to turn the Bull Loose"

Thank's a lot for Deregulation Mr Reagan.

Not one Afghani is worth one drop of American blood. Not one drop! Leave that pest hole. Give it nothing, not even the time of day. Better yet, build a wall around it, and let them feed upon one another.

To riot, murder, kill over pieces of PAPER is so ridiculous that it deserves no notice. We print books all the time--pristine without so much as a crease; not one word changed over thousands upon thousands of reproductions. I don't worship paper. I use it. When it wears out, I get more paper, just like the paper I already had.

These were Qurans that the inmates had already destroyed and violated by writing in them (by the Islamic definition of destroyed/violated). If the already scribbled over "holy" book wasn't an issue, they wouldn't have been trashed in the first place.

This whole disaster is nothing more than a bunch of radical fools stirring up problems with an illiterate backward mob over an invalid religion. (Yes! Invalid! In this day and age, any religion that condones murder of any sort, especially over paper, is invalid.)

Get out now, they aren't worth it.

Alim 4.17 " "Hillary Clinton is again visiting Iran, furthering active and ongoing diplomatic efforts to improve American relations with Iran."

If you really want to piss Iran off, make them sit down with Hillary for an Hour. If they didn't want to kill us before, they will after being subjected to her grating voice. Perhaps she can gain their sympathy by telling them the story of her taking sniper fire.

Just a thought. Maybe we shouldn't sent a female negotiator to hold high level talks with a country who's leaders view women as property unworthy of voicing an opinion! Will she be wearing a burka and veil? Will the Iranians have a good laugh when she leaves or just be more indignant having been subjected to having to talk to a infidel female? The veiled message that Reagan sent by sending a gift of pearl handled revolvers to Irans supreme leader to end the embassy hostage crisis, carried more weight than anything that could possibly be delivered by Hillary. If we want the respect of the Muslims we shouldn't insult them or apologize for anything. They respond and take seriously to those that negotiate from a position of strength. Not to talks with a member of a former presidents harem.

I wish more people wanted peace. Are you from Ron Paul's district by chance?

Ron Paul for Peace in 2012.

Burn some bibles here in the United States, and with all the guns that are in peoples hands, I wonder how many people would be killed by the bible thumpers. I know you will probably say none, but that would be just wishful thinking on your part.

And yet no one protested that one. No riots, gunshots, bombings or anything else of the kind. Just comes to show the pride that we have in religion.

Dave burn one to find out, include a Koran just for fun

Religion, no matter which one is violent. More people have been killed in the history of mankind due to religion than any other reason. So much for peace and love.

I have a koran. I tear pages off it as use it as toilet paper. I finally found out what the Koran is good for.

Our military has occupied thier country for ten years, a lot of afghans believe the war is actually against Islam, and the Quran was burned on a U.S. military installation. If the U.S. had been occupied by a foreign army for ten years, and that occupier burned bibles on thier base, I suspect something similar could happen here.

Dave, using past bad behavior to justify current behavior is not a defense it's rationalistic

Dave: Your analogy is using "apples vs. oranges" mentality. Totally UNEQUAL comparisons.

You, along with others posting here... need to read up on the history of violence of Islam throughout the centuries.

Annie, you read some history and see all religions have violence. The catholic church especailly in its past killed thousands of people. Look at the christian crusades. Its just not the religion of Islam. It horrible what those 7 insane people did, killing all those people in the world trade center buildings, just as it was wrong for Timony McVeigh, a Southern Baptist, and an American who blew up the Murdock building in Oklahama. As the saying goes, "those that do not learn from the past are doom to repeat it" and religion has being killing people since the beginning of man.

So Annie,how do you think Christianity was spread through Europe?Read up on Charlemagne's dealing with the pagans.He gave them a great choice."Convert now or we'll let you meet your pagan gods now-on the point of our swords."So having benefited from violence you think Christianity can just wash it's hands and everything's ok?Further I have to ask how many Christians have been killed by other Christians over fine points of doctrine?The Spanish Inquisition was famous for doing just that.

standingwave, Your Charlemagne quote is appreciated, as it states exactly what the Islamist do, but today. If it was wrong then why is it right now?

Islam is far more violent, and STILL thinking and acting in the dark ages.

Bible thumpers as ...someone put it..well in america thumpers have an electric bill too pay (or gas)

I just wish they would mind their SHIZNA and pay their electric bill...and then shut the f-up

We the people..don't need religion (despite what you believe)...unless you are stupid

look at the problems extreemism causes

Mac: that was incomprehensible.

BC005, you make me laugh (which is not a small thing when I'm reading the news!).

You and Annie are right-on. Thanks for holding up the voice of reason.

livia: Thanks for the kind words, here as on most,"common sense is not that common"( can't remember who first said this)

Insightful

Very witty.

I wonder how long ago it was that the Afghan with the beard in the picture washed that dirty looking beard?? It look's to me that it might have been year's. Probably has a couple of bird's in there he doesn't know about.

How's that tin foil hat working out for ya?

Really? Guilty of murder,WTF!!

Your right on the disposal Rick. The detainees wrote in the koran books to pass messages between each other. But as always the muslim radicals don't see it that way. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Rick the prick, maybe you can bring good old Goergie boy back. I'm sure this time he will really get this country in the right direction.

The only thing worse than a Republican is a stupid Republican.

Chuck I'd take GW back in a heart beat. At least he doesn't apologize for fighting a war and bow to Kings and Princes's

No he holds hands with them and kisses them GW started all this s#!t and didn't have the balls to finish it he just faded away into obscurity with a lot of blood on his hands and the same empty head he arrived with. What a legacy Brought the country almost to the brink of disaster Got us into an elective war exploded the debt, yes you are stupid.

DPC - Damn those term limits. I wonder how many times the afghan government asked the US and its military forces to remain in country?

$1.1 trillion over 10 years is hardly a budget buster considering at least 3 of those years will have occcurred under obamas watch as well. Or is that something you wish to bury your head you know where over?

Regarding disposal by fire, apparently the local mullah (?) forgot to attend the burnings to bless it.

I was no Bush fan, and unfortunately voted for Obama for the "hopey, changey" thing..but shortly found out we went from the "frying pan into the fire".

At the very least, Bush was not anti-American, anti-Israel, but PRO ISLAM like Obama...far more than any President in history.

Research available everywhere for those who want the truth about what is going down on our once-wonderful country!

The truth, and only the truth will set us free.

No Brian,he doesn't apologize.Too busy walking around holding hands with the Saudis.

Yeah brian you sound like you would. I'm sorry to tell you but George Bush has to be the worse F%#^ing President this country has ever had. If you remember correctly, this country is in complete disarray because of him. But yes, I'm sure a numbskull would want him back.

The apology I'm sure was to try to calm things down. It's called diplomacy in case you are not familiar with the concept. Would you prefer for things to get worse and more soldiers get killed? You're not out there so what would you care right?

Only an imbacile would want good old george back. Thanks for letting everyone know your lack of intelligence.

Rick, I also looked it up, and the disposal of the Quran can occur if a text has been misprinted, or it becomes too old to be useful. Then it is wrapped in a pure cloth and buried. Almost every religion has a means to dispose of sacred texts, save for the Protestants who say it is the teaching of the Bible, not the book itself that is holy. That being said, who would know this offhand? Undoubtedly not the officers or the soldiers who trashed the books since they were filled with seditious material prisoners had written in them. Since today is Sunday, I hope Obama is praying for strength to pull our troops out now (and torch all the poppy fields beforehand). That would leave Pakistan holding an empty purse, which wouldn't hurt either.

Bush bashing has become a convenient pastime. It is also a convenient way to promote distorted truth and lay blame. Truth or blame? http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Guilty of murder - WOW - what else can be said about that comment? The way to burn he Koran is by burning? Then why all of the BS going on over there now? The proper way is to bury it. Your are an IDIOT. Accuse the president of murder and say the proper way is to burn the Koran - you're not only an IDIOT you are IGNORANT.

PRESIDENT OBAMA, PLEASE BRING OUR TROOPS HOME. This is not a war - they can't even defend themselves.

Thank you Jan that make sense. I couldn't figure out why text which is not sacred in my religion,

Protestants who say it is the teaching of the Bible, not the book itself that is holy

would make a difference in another. Thank you for explaining.

I seriously doubt that the soldiers knew that there was a "proper" way of disposing religious text. I still do not understand how dismantled religious text ranks higher than a life.

@flames-429

Please change your Username, those flames are oppressive sounding. You know, bombs shoot out flames and such, I'm feeling oppressed, and that's not right. ;-)

Flames up your a$$ all service men who die doing their duty receive a letter from the President to their families. You would know this if you have ever lost a family member to war moron.

Form letter or handwritten & signed? Presidents do not write letters to lost soldiers families!

gee Chucky, Obama has a photocopier in the White house. Who'd of guessed? "I'm sorry I escalated the war in Afghanistan "The Right War" and increased the number of troops there. I'm sorry that under my watch that 3 times as many US military have been injured and killed in 3 years as were in 7 years under my incompetent predecessor Bush. I'm sorry that I've changed the rules of engagement to not allow US military to defend themselves when their bases and compounds are stormed by peace loving, gentle Muslims. And I'm sorry that I don't have the time between rounds of golf to sign this photocopied form letter informing you of the death of your son who died serving their country but weren't allowed to defend themselves against the Muslim peace protesters." Signed King President Barack Hussain Obama.

PS; "It's more important that we win the hearts and minds of the Afghanis than the war, your children are just pawns in this chess game that is distracting me from my golf swing."

He won't apologize to any of them ( the soldiers next of kin), because he is to busy trying to but " VOTES"? We need to get our troops out and then take care of business. Why is that " SOB " Obama Bin Laden always apologizing for some else terrorizing " AMERICANS " all over the world? Why I ask, because he is " IGNORANT " and doesn't know any better. He thinks it will help this situation " NO A CHANCE ". Why doesn't he go over to " ASH-CAN-ISTAN " so someone can throw a grenade at him. America we need to make a stand and vote this " IDIOT " out of office so while we still have a leg to stand on.

MT wrote, channeling Obama: "I'm sorry that I've changed the rules of engagement to not allow US military to defend themselves when their bases and compounds are stormed by peace loving, gentle Muslims...It's more important that we win the hearts and minds of the Afghanis than the war, your children are just pawns in this chess game...."

I agree with MT; and I think this is an important point:

You don't send soldiers in to win hearts and minds. You send soldiers to win wars.

You want to win hearts and minds, you send flowers and chocolates.

Maybe a couple of Bibles.

when will obama apologise to the dead soldiers next of kin

Probably have their tax returns audited.

dufus

Well, your name says it all.

send obama over to try to talk to them

He's a fellow Muslim; he would be greeted with open arms. Though he should probably leave his wife and kids here to be safe.

Well, we got opportunities in syria, uganda, yemen, iran and north korea. Got a preference?

North Korea. Enough pussyfooting, we need to start WWIII before 2012 is over. Don't prove the Mayans to be liars.

Michael- maybe we could have won it if it weren't for that tangent we took off on. Oh yeah. It was called Iraq.

Yeah,you'd think when the US invades a country seeking revenge the natives would be a lot nicer about it.

these people are religious freaks, lets send some bloods & crips over for a couple of drive bye's

you sure have a hard on for the prez

outstanding!I sure have a hard on for this idiot.

SEMPER FI

DANNY P

RETIRED

Mr Fi, why is the president an idiot regarding the Koran burning?

Dear Duphus,

You name is appropriate. Did you mom name you that? Such insight!

DPC - It was the US intelligence services that discovered bin ladens courier during the bush watch. It took another two years under obama to find bin ladens hidey hole.

Let's check out your foriegn and intellegence policy IQ, shall we? I will keep it simple...

If one of our special forces heelo's hadn't of crashed in bin ladens compound, would obama still have told us that he authorized the assassination of bin laden?

American: if that was true, why didn't Bush take him out? Simple. They still didn't know where bin Laden was hiding which turned out to be in plain sight in a military town. In fact, only the POTUS could authorize an assassination in a "friendly" country.

Well said!!! Didn't get me vote the first time and won't get it the second time around!!!

Technically, it was information rendered during the Bush era that led to Osama's death. Obama just had good timing.

I think we knew where bin Laden for years. It would have been hard to justify all we did in the region if we had taken him out in the first few months. As the great speaker that Bush was said that he was not concerned about bin laden. I think there were reasons.

Well Obama Bin Laden wanted to wait to get to Bin Laden because it was getting closer to the " ELECTION " and America if you vote him in for another 4 then we are " DOOMED ". Just remember I warned you. And didn't he ( Obama Bin Laden )apologize for quote " The Navy Seals " doing the work at finding Bin Laden and him meeting his demise of course he did but he didn't tell them that he had to to get the votes of the " Americans Brainwashed " by him to get them to vote for him again in 2012. Wake up America and lets all vote him out of office. A Republican " and Conservative is my choice for 2012. God bless America.

It worked for Japan and Germany because the people living in both of those countries were modern, rational and didn't have a distorted sense of honor. These guys though have Middle Age mentalities. They only understand strength and force. Unfortunately, our current leadership does not understand this and these barbarians view their policies as weakness and take advantage of it accordingly.

You obviously know nothing of the WW2 Japanese.Modern and rational?They were raised to believe the Emperor was god and the highest duty was to die for him."The Emperor a mountain,life a feather".

Sure, both Japan and Germany followed their leaders blindly, but you are not seeing the point. When both of these countries lost, they rejoined the world community, rebuilt their countries and became economic giants. I probably know more about WWII and what happened afterward than you do. I know Japan embraced the economic reforms of Edwards Deming, puting quality above quantity which helped Japan become the biggest suppliers in steel (even though there's no iron resources in their country), electronics and other businesses. All of this sounds rather modern and rational to me.

I hate to be so politically incorrect as to point out the obvious glaring thing, that we're not supposed to say out loud...but Japan and Germany were not Muslim. This might just make an itty bitty difference.

Get the hell out of that hate filled muslim scum bag country! We've given way, way too much to these ignorant islamists who know only hate and killing. And...for good measure we should always remember.." Never trust or believe a muslim anywhere, any time". The entire culture of islam is based on hate, killing and subjugation of any and all non believers of that hate filled culture. ( This also includes all of them living in America and Europe where they quietly support all the terrorists, killing and bloodshed, but say and do nothing to stop it. )

MIKE THE VET!....it just a BOOK! no apology necessary. where are the apology for the servicemen shot and killed. but mike,that your opinion and i respect that.

SEMPER FI

DANNY P

RETIRED IN VEGAS

That "book" is a bible to them Marine 55, no wonder us army boys call you jarheads & you're stupid enough to be proud of it. (Still brothers in arms though)

Respect & thank you to all vets & soldiers serving. However, the bible or the koran are just books , paper & ink. A belief does not come from written words but the enteral spirit & way we live. The enemy is just using the book burning as a way to lead those who have be controlled by fear & ignorance creating religious control.

Yeah, apologizing to the crazed men who murdered American soldiers over a misunderstanding was the right thing to do.

DKJ...so correct, so well stated! The enemy is islam! This hate filled culture is driven by the imams in all the mosques, and directed at the weak,lazy, ignorants who know nothing more. It's way, way past time to call all these problems for what they are....islam! If the entire hate filled culture of islam was stamped out all over the world the entire world would know peace and prosperity. Review all the centuries of fighting and killing in the arab world and you will always find the root problem is the culture of islam. Review carefully the bombings, killing, cowardly hate filled crimes against innocent and again you will find the root is islam. The world must unite to stamp out this hideous culture and eliminate islam once and for all.

And I believe they're called "jarheads" because of their appearance, Viet Cong bastard.

Perhaps the outrage over the killing of the American soldiers may lead to a tactical nuclear weapon going off in the most populated neighbourhood of Kabul or Islamabad. Hamid Karzai may well end up like Muammar Gaddafi if he is not careful or worse, skinned alive and disembowelled in public like Mohammad Najibullah.

People who go homicidal over the image of Mohamed or the Kuran are whacked. People who wanted a US flag burning amendment are equal whacked. I hope that clears things up.

Its long over due time to leave. Nation building doesn't work. Get out of there. Don't go into Syria. Leave Japan. Leave South Korea. Come home, America.

There is nothing for which they have less respect than weakness, apologizing is a sure sign of weakness and cowardice.

@Charlie-486680

"That "book" is a bible to them"

Yes. And every time one group of Muslims blows up a mosque belonging to a rival sect of Muslims, they burn not only the mosque, the shrine, the artifacts...but undoubtedly also a number of Qurans...not to mention, killing and maiming scores of people who had shown up to worship.

And these mosque and shrine bombings happen about, oh, once a month or so.

So this heightened sensitivity of theirs toward all things religious, is a bit selective, wouldn't you say?

Obama did not start this war. Bush did. The war in Iraq was based on a premise of the immediate threat of WMD which did not exist. Obama did not start that war either but he did bring our troops home from Iraq. Now he has to do the same with Afghanistan and do it quickly.

Does it really matter who started the war on these filthy people and their filthy religion based on a book that's worse than Mein Kampf. American soldiers today are paying the price for Americans (particularly the ones from Texas) supporting the Mujahadeen. Hope Michael Pillsbury, Michael Vickers and that imbecile playboy Charlie Wilson who were directly responsible for the typically Islamic ungrateful backlash that was 9/11 and its consequential aftermath can live with themselves - that is if they are still alive.

Mr. ABDELKADER HAMDAOUI may not be knowledgable enough about that "book" he despises, but it is significantly similar, in many parts, to the Christian Bible Old Testament. Does it therefore infer that, according to his logic, followers of every Holy Book that ascribe to those scriptures, are in fact "filthy people". Or does he mean that only the select few are "filthy" - those that bomb abortion clinics, those that open fire on youth camps (Norway), those that molest kids, those that bash gays and don't recognize them as Gods creations....or just those that see visions of Jesus telling them to make war on Iraq and Afghanistan, presumably while munching on a bag of pretzels!!

There isn't much in the Quran that wasn't stolen from already existent religious texts.

The book mocks the preceding religions by attempting to be similar enough in content to easily supplant them.

The book also mocks God by saying that he was wrong twice and had to create Islam to correct the mistakes.

Currently it is the most dangerous Ideology on Earth and we are fools if we refuse to recognize it as such.

I can hardly stand hearing his voice anymore.

And he would have to tell the truth. I'm not sure he can do that.

I think it's time the President addresses the nation and explain why we're still in Afghanistan.

It's time for the President to explain why he is still here.

Johnny-boy-737278, President has ended Iraq & is drawing down in Afghanistan as well even though McCain & Graham want it to go on forever, get real.

Iraq ended on a timetable that Bush signed, in fact the President tried to extend it.

Do some research.

Talk about doing some research John 737278 Bush sure did his research getting us into the war in Iraq didn't he. It amazes me how many hollow headed idiots still believe GWB has done a good job for this country. The worst president and possibly human ever! He is in hiding does not do speeches and so forth because he knows in his heart what he did to this country and the men and women in our armed services. Wake up try to do some good don't just spew stupidity!

Did I give Bush props? I don't think so. I clarified a mistake. I believe we went about this war entirely the wrong way from the beginning. If we are to go to war, we should go to win, not play pussy political war games.

No,he specifically said we would have to win in Afghanistan.

Standingwave; "No,he specifically said we would have to win in Afghanistan."

Then changed the rules of engagement so we couldn't! Just one more lie from the fraud in the White House.

@DPCahill. Now now, there there. You seem to be greatly simplifying everything about politics and the wars we're in. Congress overwhelmingly stumped for the war, they were not under the mindless spells of bush the way so many of you are under mindless spells of barack. Where the hell were you during 911? We all wanted blood but so many of you are so quick to forget anything about history.

See the biggest difference is that I can look at GW and find criticisms in ways he ran his presidency...primarily the fact that he signed every spending bill that the dems put on his desk. I can also look at Bush1 and find criticisms, and I'll even go back and find several big criticisms of Reagan. But you guys continuously point at Bush without EVER conceding that barack is a bafoon who has absolutely no business being the leader (if you can call it that) of this country. There is absolutely nothing that he can do that you...lets see...what's the words...oh yeah, "hollow headed idiots" won't defend him on. He could sell the statue of Liberty to help reduce the deficit and you would stand up and say "yeah, but you know, it's just a big statue and it really doesn't do us any good". Thus the reason we label people like you as "sheep" and him as the "messiah".

However the reason we are having issues is really quite simple. You can't fight a war with this 21st century political correctness that EVERY politician seems to cave into. The real enemies here are radical Muslims and the people who give their complaints merit by acknowledging their complaints. These are nothing more than books that were accidentally mishandled and I don't care if they were blown to bits they're still books and it's a war. You're president apologizes as if to justify their anger over the issue? That's pathetic at best.

What he should do is say "oh I'm sorry, perhaps we'll repay you by pulling every bit of protection from your wasteland of a country and take every dime we were going to provide you for the next 100 years and spend it on Washington prostitutes" Then pull every single resource out of the flea bitten region and let them all burn themselves into hell. That would show some balls and some leadership. Not bowing down to a religion...hell, between the atheists and the barack administration they are doing everything to eliminate our primary religion but when it comes to Islam...holy @!$%#, allah forbid they say anything negative about that.

There's no place for PC in war and the base-line problem with the whole thing is that we give respect to our enemies (radical muslims). We give more respect to them and their religion than we do the religion that is the overwhelming majority in our own country.

Until this bull@!$%# stops it doesn't matter who's in charge things will not change. Until barack is out of office we will continue to be perceived as weak because these cowards in hoods can get away with doing things like this without recourse. Kill an American...get an apology from the president...yeah that will help deter these sand fleas. Think about it man...books got damaged in wartime so these wastes of life kill people? They are neanderthals and that's giving them credit.

Put some blame where blame should stand...if we are going to war we shouldn't ask permission from the UN and we should act swiftly and vengefully and follow every one of them into their mosques evaporate them and move on. That's how to save our military lives...not by telling our military to go in an kill, but wait 'til they try to kill you, and don't call them names, don't swear, females wear scarves, don't damage any of their korans, don't bring a bible into their country because they don't respect your religion, don't damage any mosques, by all means don't get really worked up and piss on any bodies or make any prisoners get on all fours and bark like dogs and absolutely apologize for any hurt feelings that we leave behind. WTF!!!

Good God, am I the only one who sees how ignorant and truly dangerous this philosophy is?

Right wing, left wing, moderate wing, swing wing, stupid wing. Two pages from the same retarded book. Bush is great. No Obama is great. No Romney will save the country. God(whatever God you want to add in here. It doesn't have to be Christian but it can be, kinda like our Constitution intended) help us.

OK Sean - Mr. Lawyer, Judge, etc., Just what did our Constitution intend? Will you please interpret that for us?

I think he ment to say the freedom to worship whatever god you want.

We need a stronger presenc over there more troops and stronger action aginst taliban insurgents.

If we leave now they win and that will give them more momentem