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Subscribe to RSSThe long standing Occupy protest outside London's St Paul's Cathedral has ended with an eviction. ITV's Paul Brand reports.
LONDON -- Police and bailiffs worked through the night and into the early hours of Tuesday morning to evict protesters from the Occupy London encampment beside the city's landmark St Paul's Cathedral.
There were around 20 arrests, according to breakingnews.com editor David Wyllie, who was on the scene and posting updates on Twitter.
But there was no violent resistance as the eviction went on, with officials quickly clearing debris on the ground to prevent them from being used as weapons. Public access was restricted prior to the operation and a number of local roads were closed, Wyllie reported.
Tents were unceremoniously thrown into large trash cans and crushed as the owners looked on, he said. Protesters said vanloads of police arrived at the site to carry out the eviction.
The local authority, the City of London Corporation, confirmed the eviction was under way by bailiffs, backed by police.
The urban camp had been set up as part of an international movement inspired by the U.S. Occupy Wall Street against what the activists say is corporate greed and economic inequality. Protesters had been camped outside the 300-year-old church since October.
The eviction comes months after authorities dismantled Occupy encampments in many U.S. cities
Movement not over
BBC correspondent Jeremy Cooke reported from the scene that the mood was largely peaceful early on.
"This has always been a peaceful process, and it has never looked like (it was) turning into anything other than that," said poet and protester Catherine Brogan, according to The Guardian.
Demonstrators said the end of the camp would not mean the end of the Occupy movement.
Dylan Martinez / Reuters
A bailiff removes a tent from Occupy protesters encampment in front of St Paul's Cathedral in London early Tuesday morning. The eviction started just after midnight, carrying out a court order after protesters lost an appeal.
"It's only tents and materials the injunction applies to so I think some protesters will be back here tomorrow," Gary Sherborne told The Associated Press.
Later, the mood turned tense as police closed in on a group of remaining protesters who had chained themselves to some wooden pallets to make a "last stand," witnesses on The Guardian live stream and Wyllie reported.
Protesters were dragged from the platforms and several key protesters leading the chants were restrained by officers holding onto each limb.
Police removed one activist from a tree overlooking the site.
Roads opened to traffic shortly before 5 a.m. (12 a.m. ET) as local authority workers hosed down the site removing the last traces of the protesters from the area.
Last week a court rejected an Occupy London challenge to an eviction order, ruling that the right to protest did not justify a semi-permanent camp on a public pathway.
"We regret that it has come to this but the High Court Judgment speaks for itself and the Court of Appeal has confirmed that Judgment," said a press release from the City of London Corporation.
"The City of London Corporation is ensuring vulnerable people are being helped and supported to find appropriate accommodation in partnership with Broadway, a charity for the homeless," it said.
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Unite The Fight!
You bet!
Oil prices which were hardly $30 a barrel before 1991 Iraqi war started going up and up! It shot up to $140 a barrel during 2003 Iraqi war!
Since 2003, future traders, rating agencies, Wall Street and oil companies and their lobbyists transferred, five trillion dollars from oil importing countries to oil exporting nations.
Islamic radicals and terrorists are rampaging all over the world because of ME Sunni rich sharks (Saudi Arabia in particular) Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques all over the world.
Now we have Occupy London, Occupy Wall Street and so on in other places.
Where are our cheap politicians?
They are again busy taking orders from Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists!
So sanctions on Iran, as the prices of oil were going down. Cut off the supply to manipulate the "critical" oil back to at least $140.
If they go on with their Occupy Iran, Syria business, oil prices this time will shoot up to $200.00
Winners again: Saudi & co, oil companies, lobbyists and cheap politicians on their payroll!
Losers: US!!!
i work at wall street and im against occupy. Now what?
Good for you hope you don't get laid off now what?
Actually, the big winners in the Occupy movement were the sporting goods stores. All those tents and sleeping bags will get replaced. Cha-ching!! Do you know what a tent went for in 1990 vs today?!
Thank goodness the governments of the world are stopping this money hungry, evil sporting goods cabal.
Oil prices, oil consumption and oil greed all need to go down.
What's wrong Multi-National Corporations? Don't like the fact we point out that you have Privatized your profits for shareholders and Management, while at the same time you make the cities, counties, states and Federal Governments pick up the tab for your abuses of minimum wages (Slave wages) while you publicly throw the losses on us taxpayers by forcing us to pay for food stamps and public housing for your workers, because you refuse too pay a living wage.
I am self employed and I am against occupy.
Good for you hope you don't lose your business against corporate America. Now what?
I am for occupy...only because I lost my weed connection, and its a good place to get it. I Make my own "green" deodorant out of cornmeal and flour and sell it to them as well. I love the opportunities they present me.
One fatal problem the Occupy rabble should consider. In Oakland California a man was beaten to death because police were to occupied with the Occupy Oakland mob. People witnessing the beating called 911 but the police were unable to respond in time. If you want to protest peacefully, fine. But stop this nonsense of placing innocent people in harms way.
kio: Instead of jumping out from some floors (hope you know some have done it earlier), keep the Occupy Wall Street going. At least, you have a place instead of jumping!
Strange how "civilized nations" promote protests when it comes to third world nations, but stomp all over it when it happens on their shores.
Strange how "civilized citizens" can't act "civilized."
Dgibb,
Protests are fine when done legally, which the Wall Street occupiers fail to do. Also, I haven't seen a lot of "stomping" in the US like tanks rolling, bullets flying, or carpet bombing as seen in the "third world nations" to which you are referring.
Just continue to turn your back on your fellow man.
Eventually it'll be like they don't even exist.
(visualize this in upper case!) The travesty here is that if it were 50 capitalist-hot-dog-stands sitting overnight, that would be perfectly acceptable. but because its tents connected with non-capitalizing free-speech, well thats just anathema to the city of london corporation. maybe each tent should charge visitors a fee, then it would be ok. once again equal-protection laws fail when it comes to anti-corporate free speech.
if occupy london wants to truly be successful, they need to follow the money supply and cut it off, because thats what maintains the one-percent.
Dude ... it isn't the oil companies ... percentage wise the profits are small and reasonable. It's our government and the policies they've adopted for the last 20 years. It's not corporations ... it's not the rich ... it's the incompetent dunderheads that "WE THE PEOPLE" continue to vote in term after term ... it's us.
The Now What is I will do what I do every day, I go out a look for and find work, I said I am self employed I did not say I was a business, And even if I did have a business and it started to fail then I would just do something else, This is the United States of America, If one really wants to do something all they have to do is try...yes it is hard sometimes and sometimes there are loss's but you get to start over, No one, not your government, a business, a rich person or anyone else owes you a job or employment, You have the responsibility to make whatever you can from your life and please do not tell me it can not be done because all one has to do is look around and see all the ordinary people that have done it.
PublicInterestCitizen
Big government regulation would not allow them to even let them heat up the grill without a proper permit. Pick your form of suppression
Lost In the P.B's - Exactly right. I lost a business out East due to manufacturing being sent overseas. I'm still alive. I still work. There is always a way. You do what you have to.
@trust2112
Ummm yeah, about 3.5% of the US workforce earn min wage or less and that includes people earning additional compensation such as tips or commissions. So where is the abuse you speak of? Maybe if you actually looked at some FACTS instead of making laughable assumptions or simply parrot the drivel you've heard some other idiot spouting you wouldn't seem like you have no clue what's really going on.
@PublicInterestCitizen
BS Hot dog stands are licensed pretty much everywhere. The license for one stand in NYC is over $350,000.http://www.freakonomics.com/2009/08/17/hot-dog-vendor-economics/ The protesters have it MUCH easier than the guys running a hot dog stand but please don't let any FACTS get in the way of a good rant.
Who is John Galt?
I thought the re"pig"licans in the US were bad. I guess London has their own "con"servatives that our trying keep reality and the truth from being spread and known. It is aweful that freedom of speech is ok as long as it is mindless and does not upset the rich and "powerful." I am so proud of the occupiers and what they are doing and saying. It has been many years now that the poor and middle class have been abused, neglected, and taken advantage of. It is not ok that politicians who are rich make our laws and especially make our laws to fit their income. So selfish and greedy. The occupy movement is not just about the rich abusing their power and not wanting to be productive members of society. Occupy is about the government and politicians and other people in power being greedy and only thinking of themselves. When people (re"pig"licans and "con"servatives) are greedy in positions of power, lots and lots and lots of people get hurt. It is so aweful that we have great decent people trying to get their voice heard and a wonderful message that needs to be said and then the opposition (who are in control of the law enforcement by the way) try to shut them up. If it were a bunch of rich people complaining about having to pay higher taxes and they were protesting, I guarantee you that you would not see the law enforcement try to shut them down and especially not pepper spray them. It is appauling. I'm actually disappointed that the government is allowing people to get abused and be treated that way. Oh wait, a lot of the people in the government if not most are the 1%. Of course, they don't want this message to be heard. People in charge should be like the average person, not millionaires. The occupy people have a right to be heard. It makes you wonder what is really going on since law enforcement and the goverment are trying to shut them up and cover up what they are doing. If the re"pig"licans and the rich are not doing anything wrong then why are they so against a constitutional right (freedom of speech) and people protesting. They make it seem like the occupiers are the criminals and are such aweful people, when in reality it is the people who are trying to censor them. If the rich were not doing anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Them more they try to silence the occupy movement, the more the occupy movement should be heard due to the fact that they don't want something to be said. It's like we are living in ancient times when the people try to rise up against the abuse of the kings and the people in charge, and then the king ordered his army to destroy the uprising to avoid having to change and do what is best for the people. Oh wait, we are still living in that time because that is exactly what is going on. Something has got to change. It's ok for people to be rich, but it is not ok for people to be rich and get special priviliges and power that they can abuse. Really, like racism and sexism and then ageism, this occupy movement shows classism at its worst. The wonderful occupiers are being discriminated due to not being rich and having power. They are being treated horribly and even abused. Again, these people would not be treated like this if they were rich. very sad. It just shows you that something is wrong and needs to change. I wish Obama would do more to support this movement. I wish some of the rich would step up, take responsibility, and help in this movement, and then we would also see some of the abuse stop, which is sad but that might be what we need. Are there any good rich people left out there? Please help. And, you law enforcement who know that the orders coming from above you to shut the occupiers down is wrong, you need to be bigger than that and not try to censor and be a part of the problem. Stand up and do what you know is right. The occupiers are not doing anything wrong. They are doing everything right. I know that we can make a difference even if we have to keep being abused by the rich. They are not in charge. We are. And, there is more of us. We have to keep going and stay strong. Occupy Earth!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations-- You win the prize for the most nonsense , bs posting yet. Nothing but a mindless liberal smear without a shred of truth contained in it. I can see why you voted for obama, no thinking required.
I dont know why people bash Occupy.....At least they have the balls to stand up for what they believe in. They are out there taking a stand for all this bullsh*t that is currently going on. I give them credit for doing what many of you will only talk about!
Paul the Apostle? in front of Saint Paul's Cathedral. I wonder what Paul would have to say about this. Didn't he work for the rights of those who were persecuted?
Imatthebeach post 1.23; John Galt is the dude who was waiting for Godot, and still is as I understand it.
Balls?...lol....90% of the occupy everything crowd are 17-24 year old stoner punks that have no idea what true suffering is. They want everything the easy way and move from protest to protest...just losers and dimwits. They DO NOT speak for me or anyone else that understands that the entire planet is struggling. Everyone was making lots of money before the bubble popped and the occupy idiots blame the govt and the wealthy....we all loved it and knew it wouldnt last. It's kind of like the way the professional protesters sit around smoking pot all day and after many years they will blame someone else when they cant get jobs or get cancer....if they want to help, get the f**k off their lazy stoned butts and volunteer for something positive. Problem is that they cant pick themselves up by the boot straps because theyre spineless, gutless, crybabies...
You can bash the rich and big business all you want. My question, which NEVER gets answered is this:
When is the last time you received an employment check from someone on welfare?
If you want to blame someone for the lack of jobs and manufacturing in this country and the reason jobs are going off-shore, start looking at the unions. They have decimated manufacturing with their unreasonable demands. Someone pressing a button in an auto factory doesn't need to make $25 and hour. Of course, then the union gets their cut every month. Do you really think people want to lose their job for the sake of a union then make a little less money and have a steady job? If you say "yes" there is something wrong with you.
Man, why is this issue so polarized? I see all these arguments that these Occupiers should just "get a job" and if they actually put in some effort, they can make it. The American Dream and all.
The Occupiers aren't all unemployed for one, and they aren't looking for "entitlements" or believe anyone should hand them anything, other than a fair chance. They are protesting the FACT that even with effort, it's still extremely difficult to achieve the American Dream or any level of equality in this country, unless you count being equal to the rest of the poor as equality. CEOs sitting in an office delegating work make millions, while the people laboring and breaking their backs to make that corporation their money get paid minimum wage. The hardest workers get the least reward. Occupiers know there are opportunities out there, but they are crappy opportunities that simply maintain the status quo. Walking on a treadmill doesn't mean you're going anywhere, you're just spending time and energy to stay in one place.
The reason stories about people that "make it" - that come from humble beginnings and really "succeed" according to our definition of making money - the reason those stories are so inspiring and wonderful is because they are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. If everyone did that all the time, it wouldn't be so impressive, now would it? It's impressive because it's unusual, not the norm.
People that bring up Oakland, for instance. It's Oakland! A violent, crime-ridden area at the best of times, and that element of the city took the protests as another opportunity to wreak havoc. That doesn't mean it represents the Occupy movement.
I have a job, I pay my bills and taxes, I own a house, I am pregnant with my first child and managing on my own to take care of all my responsibilities. But I'm not so full of my own self-importance that I don't see the logic and the reason behind the Occupy Movement, and I wholeheartedly support it. Contrary to popular [Republican/TeaParty] belief, it is not a bunch of liberal lazy layabouts wanting handouts. It is a group of citizens that believe we need to take back our country from the corporations that have held us hostage in our own lives. We control demand, we control the ability of corporations to succeed or fail, yet our country has become so enamored of corporate power that we have handed over that power to the corporations, and put ourselves at the mercy of the greediest among us, and crossed our fingers that it would all work out. Which was just ignorant. Job creators? Have the tax breaks accomplished that so far? Not so much. Regulations? Can there be any LESS regulation? Maybe some rules would give corporations the kick in the ass they need to not take advantage of every single thing they can. The "free market" system? Does anyone really believe that today's system in any way resembles the concept and ideals on which it was originally based? You can't say with a straight face "don't interfere with the free market system" because it's already been interfered with and perverted into something else. We NEED to interfere with it and fix it. If there are fair practices, everyone wins.
The same principle applies here in the states with protesters ignoring long standing city ordinances and laws with regards to camping and civil disobedience. None of the OWS protests had ever bothered to obtain required city permits to stage such events. Who are they to do as they please while law abiding citizens are complying?
They should occupy themselves by cleaning up their own mess of Lord know what they ejected from their bodies and whatever trash and junk they brought with them. If you're going to protest, at least follow the law and rules with civil obedience, responsibility, sanitation and some common sense and logic.
Otherwise, credibilty and the importance of this becomes irrelevant with the movement suffering especially they are seen with their Ipods, Iphones, Ipads and whatever cool toys that products of the 1 percenters. Go figure.
JLS,
This is so polarized because of the generalizations being slung by both sides. The tea partiers are a bunch of old racist hicks, Occupiers all need to get a job, etc.
Yes it is not the norm, it is a dream. That is what makes it so great. The grandson of a shoe repairman can own a 1.5Mil house. Because of hard work. America is nothing like what old Europe used to be. It was true that you couldn't ascend because of what status you were born in. Not true in the United states. A person (any person) can be born in abject poverty and ascend and become successful. Not everyone will be as successful as a Steve Jobs or a Mark Zukerburg, but how many people own their own homes (with or without a mortgage)? How many people moved more than a few miles? Not something that would have happened in old Europe. Have we reached perfection? Absolutely not. Is it still difficult to go from poverty to middle class? Absolutely, but it is still possible. That is why I disagree with the Occupy movement.
Should've hosed down those OWS (London edition). Probably would have been the first bath they had in months. Based on the OWS areas I've seen in the states, it would take a lot more than high pressure fire hoses to get rid of the pungent air surrounding these encampments.
I thought the re"pig"licans in the US were bad. I guess London has their own "con"servatives that our trying keep reality and the truth from being spread and known. It is aweful that freedom of speech is ok as long as it is mindless and does not upset the rich and "powerful." I am so proud of the occupiers and what they are doing and saying. It has been many years now that the poor and middle class have been abused, neglected, and taken advantage of. It is not ok that politicians who are rich make our laws and especially make our laws to fit their income. So selfish and greedy. The occupy movement is not just about the rich abusing their power and not wanting to be productive members of society. Occupy is about the government and politicians and other people in power being greedy and only thinking of themselves. When people (re"pig"licans and "con"servatives) are greedy in positions of power, lots and lots and lots of people get hurt. It is so aweful that we have great decent people trying to get their voice heard and a wonderful message that needs to be said and then the opposition (who are in control of the law enforcement by the way) try to shut them up. If it were a bunch of rich people complaining about having to pay higher taxes and they were protesting, I guarantee you that you would not see the law enforcement try to shut them down and especially not pepper spray them. It is appauling. I'm actually disappointed that the government is allowing people to get abused and be treated that way. Oh wait, a lot of the people in the government if not most are the 1%. Of course, they don't want this message to be heard. People in charge should be like the average person, not millionaires. The occupy people have a right to be heard. It makes you wonder what is really going on since law enforcement and the goverment are trying to shut them up and cover up what they are doing. If the re"pig"licans and the rich are not doing anything wrong then why are they so against a constitutional right (freedom of speech) and people protesting. They make it seem like the occupiers are the criminals and are such aweful people, when in reality it is the people who are trying to censor them. If the rich were not doing anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Them more they try to silence the occupy movement, the more the occupy movement should be heard due to the fact that they don't want something to be said. It's like we are living in ancient times when the people try to rise up against the abuse of the kings and the people in charge, and then the king ordered his army to destroy the uprising to avoid having to change and do what is best for the people. Oh wait, we are still living in that time because that is exactly what is going on. Something has got to change. It's ok for people to be rich, but it is not ok for people to be rich and get special priviliges and power that they can abuse. Really, like racism and sexism and then ageism, this occupy movement shows classism at its worst. The wonderful occupiers are being discriminated due to not being rich and having power. They are being treated horribly and even abused. Again, these people would not be treated like this if they were rich. very sad. It just shows you that something is wrong and needs to change. I wish Obama would do more to support this movement. I wish some of the rich would step up, take responsibility, and help in this movement, and then we would also see some of the abuse stop, which is sad but that might be what we need. Are there any good rich people left out there? Please help. And, you law enforcement who know that the orders coming from above you to shut the occupiers down is wrong, you need to be bigger than that and not try to censor and be a part of the problem. Stand up and do what you know is right. The occupiers are not doing anything wrong. They are doing everything right. I know that we can make a difference even if we have to keep being abused by the rich. They are not in charge. We are. And, there is more of us. We have to keep going and stay strong. Occupy Earth!!!!!!!!!
Most people I talk to are deeply affected by the issues occupy is making the world aware of. The actual occupiers seem to be just a tip of the iceberg. Most people want accountability and justice. Some people are not just talking, they're singing why why occupy?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49z3cheFN20
I am all for accountability and Justice. I support Occupy the right to protest and assemble. But I don't see any firm platform they are standing on. One group wants Big business to cowtow to the workers. Another wants free higher education. Another wants Illegals to get citizenships. So who knows.
When they can come up with a solid position then they might be worth more than a brief news squib online.
I agree with Janine. Occupy turned out to be a joke of a "movement". Next time try to have common goal and do something that actually has an effect.
Regarding income inequality... Should a floor sweeper be paid more than than the more technically skilled assembler, testor or machine operator? Should the data researcher be paid more than the manager that has the ability to massage and analyze the raw data into something usable? Should managers be paid the same as those they manage? Should those that are required to manage market risk be paid the same as those without that responsability? Should those who provide the capital for creation, expansion or smooth cash flow out for day to day operations not see an increase in valuation? Should the innovators not be rewarded?
There is an old saying that describes the value of a worker from the floor sweeper to the CEO and investor. "From the shoulders down one is worth minimum wage, from the shoulders up ones worth has no limit"
It would seem that many want to be compensated the same as everyone else, regardless of skill sets or level of contribution.
From a micro standpoint, perhaps the government can tax at a higher rate, or companies can restructure pay scales or create equitable bonus schedules, or the workers just realize that their skill sets don't justify the pay they think they should have.
From a macro standpoint, I submit that the main culprit here is one of global population growth and its affect on demand.
I lost all respect for the movement early on when they held a moment of silence for the passing of Steve Jobs. Personally I had nothing against the man but he was the epitome of everything they supposedly stood against. Apple makes billions using overseas dirt cheap labor and massive markups on their products here and Steve Jobs would not hesitate to crush anyone who stood in the way of his bottomline. BUT he also made all of the cool gadgets that the protesters like so much so he just gets a pass? Apparently they believe that all of the things they vehemently oppose are ok as long as they are the one who benefit from them. They get nothing from Wall St, so Wall St is evil. They get lots of cool sh!t from Apple, so Apple is good. It's called hypocrisy, maybe someone should hand out dictionaries to the occupiers so they can look up what it means.
I swept floors for a good majority of my life so far. However I have close to half a million dollars right now because I was also an investor. Life is what each individual makes it, not what an individual can be given.
I also know a few people who were making $100,000+ a year that lost their homes and are broke. They were upper management at a company I used to work for. They spent all their money as they earned it, and are now part of the "occupy" cry babies.
One of my favorite memories is when the company I worked for was closing. The president to me he felt sorry for me and wondered what I would do. I told him I was the last one he needed to worry about.
income inequality=people getting paid exactly what they deserve occupy movement=sniveling morons wanting free hand outs(who are also very hypocritical) i will not get paid the exact some when i am a doctor saving lives as a janitor who sweeps and mops all day and if anyone thinks that isnt fair realize that i will pay over 50k in student loans those of us who work hard to advance ourselves and make more money you can do the same all it takes is a little hard work and initiative.
They should not be called occupy anything. Starting with OWS, occupy Wall Street, they should have been called YOM (you owe me) because they think the world owes them something for existing. That is the result of our slow creep toward a Socialist society.
The occupiers all want something for nothing. They graduate college with a school loan to pay off and think they should be hired as the president for some company making 6 figures instead of starting near the bottom, getting experience and working their way up. I just wish they would change the direction they are going in. Our corrupt government is selling us down the proverbial river and they need to be protesting in front of the White House which is being 'occupied' by a communist/marxist/illegal alien who is gutting America from the inside out.
@ American
No it is not wrong to reward the innovators and managers, however when they make 110% the average worker of their company, something is seriously skewed.... They are NOT working 110% more so their pay should reflect a reasonable increase above their employees... No one ever said CEO's should be broke, but they are making ALL that money off the backs and hands of the people who work for them... they should share the wealth.... everyone knows that's how you make a strong company and keep loyalty among your producers and buyers!
What platform are you looking for? This is a world-wide phenomenon, not an American political argument. What... you think the platform in America will be the same as London, the same as Hong Kong, the same as any other country? Are you that naive?
Your problem is that you are trying to define a movement by the same terms you define the Tea Party. But when it spreads world-wide, it doesn't work that way. Your pathetic right-wing mantra doesn't translate across borders.
What you are seeing is the beginning of a revolution. You are seeing people stand-up against a perceived injustice. Now, you can take the Republican route and just insult them... but do you think that will solve anything? Do you think a petty insult will stop their movement? Or will it fuel their fire?
I guess trying to find a common ground in society, where we can all live together, is too much to ask. I suppose it will always be YOU versus THEM... a winner and a loser. And when the losing side represents a larger percentage of the population, what do you think will happen?
What OWS is: a passing fad. You don't even hear much of them on the news anymore. Your 15 minutes is done, get your tents off my (yes, it's also part mine as well as yours) city park. What OWS is not (as mentioned above) a world-wide phenomenom. Are you serious? And BOTH parties cater to big business Indie. Didn't the oil companies just post their highest earnings in their history last quarter? It does seem that many of the rank and file liberals do support OWS albeit at a much reduced volume than they did before. If this is a political 'phenominon' it makes much more sense now.
First off you do realize that making 110% is only a 10% increase right? You think the people in charge of the company should not even make 10% more than the guy on the assembly line?
What you seem unable to grasp is that the exact opposite is also true. If you get a CEO who does a crappy job the company goes out of business and all of those people lose their jobs. All of those people working for the company are able to do so because they have a competent boss. If you want the best CEO you will have to pay more than the next guy. Just like what happens on the assembly line, if you want the best people you have to be willing to pay a little more than the next company. That is the reason less than 4% of the work force earn min wage. People qualified to run a company are not as plentiful as the people qualified to work on the line so they will always command a much higher salary. Compare it to professional sports. The athletes who are average play for minor team and make little money because there are a lot more people who can play at that level. Those few who are the best at what they do play in the big leagues and get paid big money..
@IndieParty
Clearly the naivety is on your part. This problem has nothing to do with the globalization of the movement. You can't find the same "platform" from one tent to the next. You've got people standing on the same street asking for different things. Things that are not uncommonly in opposition to one another. The only thing the occupiers seem to agree on is that it is ok if no one agrees with the person standing next to them.
Beginning? Clearly it is coming to an end and the only people who don't see that are the people who don't want to.
Often times perception is not reality, which is why this movement is dying a slow and painful death.
Insults, screaming and name calling have become the hall marks of this movement. Funny how you only seem to notice when it is the other side that behaves this way. Maybe it's time for you to drop the false perceptions and face reality. It will be hard after spending so much time in la-la land but I'm sure you can do it.
Let's be realistic. Corporations said they would go bankrupt if they were forced to still pay pensions. What happened? Record profits. Corporations are saying that it is too much money for them to keep paying for full healthcare, like it was in the beginning. Guess what? Record profits. Now Corporations feel that they shouldn't have to match your investments, as in 401k plans. Do you see a trend here?
Where do you think those "profits" come from? By cutting company spending in pay roll, pension funds, 401k matching and health care of course the company can "save" money and post record profits. That's the problem with corporate GREED. However you ask ANYONE who goes into business for themselves... yes that's right for THEMSELVES. it's to make more money, the only purpose for any business is to make Profits by either providing a product or a service. No one goes into business to better their neighbors. The only problem I see here is that corporations are only serving the top of the chain of command, and NOT reinvesting in their company on a human level but finding additional ways to cut payroll by investing in robotics to do what my grandfather used to do.... welding.
as an example.
I thought the re"pig"licans in the US were bad. I guess London has their own "con"servatives that our trying keep reality and the truth from being spread and known. It is aweful that freedom of speech is ok as long as it is mindless and does not upset the rich and "powerful." I am so proud of the occupiers and what they are doing and saying. It has been many years now that the poor and middle class have been abused, neglected, and taken advantage of. It is not ok that politicians who are rich make our laws and especially make our laws to fit their income. So selfish and greedy. The occupy movement is not just about the rich abusing their power and not wanting to be productive members of society. Occupy is about the government and politicians and other people in power being greedy and only thinking of themselves. When people (re"pig"licans and "con"servatives) are greedy in positions of power, lots and lots and lots of people get hurt. It is so aweful that we have great decent people trying to get their voice heard and a wonderful message that needs to be said and then the opposition (who are in control of the law enforcement by the way) try to shut them up. If it were a bunch of rich people complaining about having to pay higher taxes and they were protesting, I guarantee you that you would not see the law enforcement try to shut them down and especially not pepper spray them. It is appauling. I'm actually disappointed that the government is allowing people to get abused and be treated that way. Oh wait, a lot of the people in the government if not most are the 1%. Of course, they don't want this message to be heard. People in charge should be like the average person, not millionaires. The occupy people have a right to be heard. It makes you wonder what is really going on since law enforcement and the goverment are trying to shut them up and cover up what they are doing. If the re"pig"licans and the rich are not doing anything wrong then why are they so against a constitutional right (freedom of speech) and people protesting. They make it seem like the occupiers are the criminals and are such aweful people, when in reality it is the people who are trying to censor them. If the rich were not doing anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Them more they try to silence the occupy movement, the more the occupy movement should be heard due to the fact that they don't want something to be said. It's like we are living in ancient times when the people try to rise up against the abuse of the kings and the people in charge, and then the king ordered his army to destroy the uprising to avoid having to change and do what is best for the people. Oh wait, we are still living in that time because that is exactly what is going on. Something has got to change. It's ok for people to be rich, but it is not ok for people to be rich and get special priviliges and power that they can abuse. Really, like racism and sexism and then ageism, this occupy movement shows classism at its worst. The wonderful occupiers are being discriminated due to not being rich and having power. They are being treated horribly and even abused. Again, these people would not be treated like this if they were rich. very sad. It just shows you that something is wrong and needs to change. I wish Obama would do more to support this movement. I wish some of the rich would step up, take responsibility, and help in this movement, and then we would also see some of the abuse stop, which is sad but that might be what we need. Are there any good rich people left out there? Please help. And, you law enforcement who know that the orders coming from above you to shut the occupiers down is wrong, you need to be bigger than that and not try to censor and be a part of the problem. Stand up and do what you know is right. The occupiers are not doing anything wrong. They are doing everything right. I know that we can make a difference even if we have to keep being abused by the rich. They are not in charge. We are. And, there is more of us. We have to keep going and stay strong. Occupy Earth!!!!!!!!!
Here is an article that shows how income inequality is growing around the world:
Over 70 percent of the world's population lives in countries where income inequality is increasing.
Maybe the poor should stop breeding?
Over-breeding or breeding at all?
You make that call.
maybe your moma should've aborted ya.
Face the Facts - Here Here! I agree %100.
Wanna help slow the income redistribution? Stop buying those Guy Fawkes masks and sending royalties to Time Warner.
If the poor stop breeding, then the rich won't have any servants anymore and will actually have to get their hands dirty. Maybe the rich should stop breeding....
hmmm, msnbc and their unbiased (NOT) reaction to what is written here. But I understand why they have this newsvine. They want to make sure people are tuned into their view of liberalism and keep the blinders on.
It is quite tough when you are ignored by the media, then infiltrated by police, riots started by police, then the media covers you, only to make it look like a bad group of people. It is very tough....they are not just fighting the system, but also fight us as well, because we think badly of them, because of the false image portrayed by the media.
Someday u will all be out like in Greece
maze-1548920, you are suspended for a month for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Last chance.
I thought the re"pig"licans in the US were bad. I guess London has their own "con"servatives that our trying keep reality and the truth from being spread and known. It is aweful that freedom of speech is ok as long as it is mindless and does not upset the rich and "powerful." I am so proud of the occupiers and what they are doing and saying. It has been many years now that the poor and middle class have been abused, neglected, and taken advantage of. It is not ok that politicians who are rich make our laws and especially make our laws to fit their income. So selfish and greedy. The occupy movement is not just about the rich abusing their power and not wanting to be productive members of society. Occupy is about the government and politicians and other people in power being greedy and only thinking of themselves. When people (re"pig"licans and "con"servatives) are greedy in positions of power, lots and lots and lots of people get hurt. It is so aweful that we have great decent people trying to get their voice heard and a wonderful message that needs to be said and then the opposition (who are in control of the law enforcement by the way) try to shut them up. If it were a bunch of rich people complaining about having to pay higher taxes and they were protesting, I guarantee you that you would not see the law enforcement try to shut them down and especially not pepper spray them. It is appauling. I'm actually disappointed that the government is allowing people to get abused and be treated that way. Oh wait, a lot of the people in the government if not most are the 1%. Of course, they don't want this message to be heard. People in charge should be like the average person, not millionaires. The occupy people have a right to be heard. It makes you wonder what is really going on since law enforcement and the goverment are trying to shut them up and cover up what they are doing. If the re"pig"licans and the rich are not doing anything wrong then why are they so against a constitutional right (freedom of speech) and people protesting. They make it seem like the occupiers are the criminals and are such aweful people, when in reality it is the people who are trying to censor them. If the rich were not doing anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Them more they try to silence the occupy movement, the more the occupy movement should be heard due to the fact that they don't want something to be said. It's like we are living in ancient times when the people try to rise up against the abuse of the kings and the people in charge, and then the king ordered his army to destroy the uprising to avoid having to change and do what is best for the people. Oh wait, we are still living in that time because that is exactly what is going on. Something has got to change. It's ok for people to be rich, but it is not ok for people to be rich and get special priviliges and power that they can abuse. Really, like racism and sexism and then ageism, this occupy movement shows classism at its worst. The wonderful occupiers are being discriminated due to not being rich and having power. They are being treated horribly and even abused. Again, these people would not be treated like this if they were rich. very sad. It just shows you that something is wrong and needs to change. I wish Obama would do more to support this movement. I wish some of the rich would step up, take responsibility, and help in this movement, and then we would also see some of the abuse stop, which is sad but that might be what we need. Are there any good rich people left out there? Please help. And, you law enforcement who know that the orders coming from above you to shut the occupiers down is wrong, you need to be bigger than that and not try to censor and be a part of the problem. Stand up and do what you know is right. The occupiers are not doing anything wrong. They are doing everything right. I know that we can make a difference even if we have to keep being abused by the rich. They are not in charge. We are. And, there is more of us. We have to keep going and stay strong. Occupy Earth!!!!!!!!!
People are still doing that 'occupy' thing?It's really getting old.I hope they know that the government isn't going to listen to them.
You know, they used to say that the Occupy Movement would only last a few days. Then they said it would only last a few weeks. Then they said it would only last a few months. Gee, I wonder what will happen next...
they will be occupying jail cells if my crystal ball is correct
Toasty McGrath: they also used to say the Occupy Movement would do something. Then everyone in the world stopped paying attention and just wished they would get the hell out of everyone's way. Because the Movement is stupid and ineffective.
Seriously, nobody cares about the Movement except the few hundred people in tents.
Occupy has changed the national and global conversation. Notice how the majority of Americans are now demanding that the 1% pay their fair share and be a part of the society that has enabled their success. Notice how most Americans (and other industrialized nations) are now discussing pay inequality, and how the middle class is virtually non-existent.
It's true that the Occupy movements are too grass roots and disorganized to have one central message. However, the fact that they have successfully changed the discussion to how we can focus on greater income equality can not be dismissed. Once the weather improves and the election gets closer, we'll see the Occupiers out en force again. Hopefully with a stronger message about keeping corporate millionaires from choosing our political leaders.
Clotho---
Instead of dismissing OWS, let's examine the movement in historical perspective. How about the French Revolution? A brief timeline, for those who want the abbreviated version:
1788 - French Finance Minister reports that the royal treasury is empty. Occupy Paris is born from the Third Estate.
1789 - Occupiers storm the Bastille.
1790 - Nobility (1%) is abolished. The replacement that is finally chosen is Napoleon Bonaparte. That worked out well for the French 99%, didn't it?
The top 10% of wage earners already pay 70% of the federal income tax burden, and the bottom 47% pay nothing, or receive a refund GREATER than the amount paid. How much more do you want them to pay? Maybe we should look at your income and decide that you can afford to pay 80%. I'll bet that sounds fair to the poor populations who never bothered to attain any education or job skills and yet produce multiple offspring they can't feed. They can just sit on the couch and wait for your check, what a bargain!
Doesn't that sound fair to you? No? Then we'll just grow and empower the government to forcefully TAKE your money for this "noble" effort. That's the way of the left. Since you support it, you should have to suffer with it!
That 47% is so skewed... because it includes people on social security and those retired receiving pensions... should they be paying taxes on their already paid for $$.. No they shouldn't....
But to be fair, you want the upper income folks in this country who have already paid their income taxes on income earnings prior to making investments and now make money on investment earnings to pay not only capital gains but additional income taxes on that money because they're wealthy? Double standard?
@my opine 0885
Just under 20% of the population receive SS due to retirement or disability so what excuse do you have for the other 27%?
"The vast majority of households making up to $30,000 fall into the category,
as do nearly half of all households making between $30,000 and $40,000.
As you move up the income scale the percentages drop.
Nearly 22% of those making between $50,000 and $75,000 end up with no federal
income tax liability or negative liability as do 9% of households with incomes
between $75,000 and $100,000."- http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm
Everyone should have some skin in the game even if it is a small, nearly insignificant amount because when it is YOUR money the government is wasting you'll give a sh!t and that is exactly what this country needs right now.
They have not paid taxes on those earnings, Almost all pension types are based on tax deferrment, That means the money put into those systems are not taxed and the amount is deducted from that person adjusted income for tax purposes. There are many Social Security recipients that have never even paid into Social Secuirty and yet I pay into it and have paid into it for over 40 years and because I have saved and invested wisely and worked hard all my life there are those who want to actually deprive me of it by setting Income qualifications for SS and Medicare. So you want me to pay but you do not want to pay me , Yes, Lets talk about fairness.
The top 10% of wage earners already pay 70% of the federal income tax burden, and the bottom 47% pay nothing
HAHAHAH do you even know why they pay nothing?! Because the majority of taxes are regressive in nature! The taxes that fund social security/medicare generate 36% of federal income and yet are levied only on income earned below $106,800! Income taxes generate 45% of the government's income if you want to compare.
The bottom 47% pay nothing in income taxes because they already pay hosts of other regressive taxes! There is simply no money to tax. But there is plenty of money to tax from the upper class. If the Bush tax cuts were to expire the government could raise trillions more over the next decade.
I can't believe there are people who actually think that the middle/lower classes can afford to pay more in taxes but the rich can not. It makes no economic sense.
@Satanick
I can't believe there are people who actually think more taxes is the answer to our problem. The government spends TWICE as much today as they did just 12 years ago and they're planning on nearly doubling it again over the next 10. If we froze spending at it's currtny level we'd be out of debit in just 5 years. Please explain how spending money we don't have and could NEVER raise through taxes makes economic sense. If we took every penny from every millionaire and billionaire in the US we would only cover a third of the deficit, so please do explain how taxing these people even more makes "sense"?
Through tax increases and cutting spending we can get back to a balanced budget. I never advocated keeping spending at it's current levels, you just inferred that. What do you propose to cut by the way? No one wants to cut social security and no one wants to cut medicare (by far the government's biggest expenditures). The government has let these programs grow faster than the economy and now it will be nearly impossible to convince our senior population that their programs will have to be cut. I am all for it but I don't see how it can realistically be achieved.
@Satanick
I'm a libertarian so I can think of whole departments I'd cut but that's not the point. We don't have to cut a single thing. We could grow our way out of debit in JUST 5 YEARS if we just froze our spending at today's level. If we limited ourselves to a 2% annual growth we'd be out of debt in 10 years. Let me ask you something, if you had 150,000 (add 8 zeros and you've got the national debt) in credit card debt would you be able to limit your budget increase to 2% yearly if it meant you'd be debt free in 10 years? Well then why can't our government?
It is certainly an interesting concept, but one that would be difficult to achieve given the amount of power the anti democratic bureaucracies hold over the budget. That is why there is so much deficit spending, too many interest groups within, and outside of, the government lobbying for more.
I know that the way the Clinton administration was able to produce budget surpluses was by slowing the growth of government down so this idea has worked before.
Budget surpluses? Come on man, you're smarter than that. Clinton ran a deficit every year he was in office. He robbed money from the SS fund, civil service retirement fund and at least a half dozen other places and then claimed he had a surplus. If someone took money out of their kids college fund to make the payments on a new Corvette you wouldn't think they were living within their means would you? If they took out a little more than they needed from the college fund and put the extra in the bank you wouldn't think they spent less money that year than they made would you?
This is the kind of BS "fuzzy" math and logic that politicians use to con people. Like Obama claiming in his State of the Union Address that they were "cutting" 2 trillion from the budget over the next 10 years. Yeah, cutting 2 trillion off of the 5 trillion increase over that period. Only a politician can nearly double the budget and still claim he's making a "cut". That's like gaining 40 lbs and then claiming you're on a diet because you could have gained 60.
I will have to look into that.
I realize that the talk of budget "cuts" is a bunch of crap. They are just cutting projected spending increases. But it is my understanding that this is because of the way Appropriations bills are set up. If the OMB actually were to be fiscally responsible and review each agencies allotments and ask themselves, "do they really need all this money we are throwing at them plus this increase they are demanding?", we might not be in this massive debt situation. Pork is just killing us. The President is unlikely to veto the entire Appropriations bill over the addition of "some" pork and these people take advantage of that all the time.
Occupy the planet!
You already are occupying the planet, The problem is you are not productive members of it, It has something to do with the me me me attitude.
Occupy the White House, the smell can't get any worse!
Yeah, go occupy a desk!
good one :)
I occupy a desk in a good job and I SUPPORT the Occupy movement. They are dead on in all their demands. They just need to get a MUCH more cohesive platform. Right now they are so hippie, hipster controlled that all of Middle America that agrees with all their ideas feel isolated from them nonetheless. It needs real middle American leadership.
I occupy a desk in a good job and I SUPPORT the Occupy movement. They are dead on in all their demands. They just need to get a MUCH more cohesive platform. Right now they are so hippie, hipster controlled that all of Middle America that agrees with all their ideas feel isolated from them nonetheless. It needs real middle American leadership.
I occupy a desk in a good job and I SUPPORT the Occupy movement. They are dead on in all their demands. They just need to get a MUCH more cohesive platform. Right now they are so hippie, hipster controlled that all of Middle America that agrees with all their ideas feel isolated from them nonetheless. It needs real middle American leadership.
Battletide
I'm impressed. Looks like you are keeping three jobs!
Battletide - quit that good desk job you have, and leave your worldly possessions like your toothbrush and soap, and go live in a tent for 6 or 8 months and decry the inequality of the world. You will at least be equal to all the other bums that live in tents and cry "me, me, me!!!" You'd be a great leader for them.
Stop picking on Battletide just because he posts three times!! lol I want to hear his definition of "real middle American leadership." What say you, Battletide?
That wasn't me posting 3 times....that was msnbc's website error. Anyways....I am talking about the average middle income people that are neither hipster/hippie or people that think they can one day be rich too and support corporate America as a result.
Here in the USA, the end came crashing down on OWS when the dumb asses burned the American Flag.
That was truly the straw that broke this camels back.
Good riddance.
So, do you sanction that lowering of the American flag to Haiti?
Because that is what occurred on the military encampment when we stayed to assist after the earthquake as a gesture to their president.
This act was supported by not only our president, but the CO's at the military camp - paid for by your tax dollars. Talk about insult.
I publicly argued about this with the very CO that passionately ordered the flag be lowered to the Haitian president. That gesture was a first in American history.
The CO remained fairly silent on the matter but joined up with me at LinkedIn.com as a gesture of common courtesy because he knew I was correct.
He obtained private employment and quietly went about his way.
And...then I disconnected with him.
We lower the United States standard to no one.
So what has lowering the US flag on Haitian soil have to do with US citizens burning their own countries flag.
While I do not personally agree with the lowering of the US flag in Haiti it was on their soil, Yes it was a US encampment but again it was on their soil.
Not hardly comparable with citizens of this country burning our flag.
Once we've solved all the real major problems, then we can afford the luxury of worrying about symbolism and first amendment speech protections. Let's focus on jobs for now.
From what I have been seeing and hearing is that the country is focused on anti abortion issues. The abortion rights were settled by my generation years ago. It looks like the now generation will have to fight that fight again. I have heard very little focus of jobs. Are the politicians afraid to talk about real issues?
We had the occupesters here in Santa Barbara try to file an injunction against their eviction from De La guerra Plaza, the judge gave them the highhat. AWESOME! Maybe now working class people can actually enjoy the plaza w/out a bunch of layabouts whining that they don't get stuff for free.
Quote by Brenda: "Yeah, go occupy a desk!"
Highly unlikely my dear, many of the occupoopers took up majors in college such as Post Colonial French Literature & what kind of a job is that going to land you? If you said "none" then you chose correctly.
In all, what a waste across the board. Okay spoiled, entitled, expectant little children, you can all go home now & cry to you mommies & daddies about how unfair life is, they'll coddle you, so will your leftie professors that preach socialism yet won't relinquish their huge salaries that have made education expensive.
You occuwhatevers have shown the world what an epic occufail this whole urban camping trip has been. Accomplished nothing, learned nothing, became a nuisance, annoyed the REAL 99%, yeah, you guys are my heroes... NOT!
Not to mention the MILLIONS of dollars that were spent nation wide to put up with their crap...LITERALLY.
Show us one and I'll show you a load of law students that are being bullied.
R.I.P. Occupy. It was fun while it lasted.
Ha, just wait til the Spring. There is some pretty big events planned
Why wait till spring? Do like the Russians.
Yeah...go ahead and 'reorganize' if you dare satanick...
We'll know then who to file a lawsuit against to recoup the millions it took to deal with the OWS crap from last year.
Prepare to have VERY DEEP pockets....you'll need them.
Well when do I get to file my lawsuit then? You know the one against the banksters for looting trillions from United States?
How did you know I was leader of OWS?! I'll tell all the protesters to immediately stop!
Oh yeah the millions it took to clean up after OWS. Nothing compared to the trillions of dollars of damage inflicted by the banks/others. But feel free to complain about whatever you want.
Nothing is stopping you Alan so why don't you do it? Or is bitching about it easier?
I WILL complain S'nick because with OWS, its NOT about anything other than spreading the socialist agenda which your current president agrees with.
Actually OWS is all about democracy but keep believing whatever you hear from the news.
Actually Comrade Satanick, its much more easier to see OWS for what it really is.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck...
Well, you know the rest.
They have to wait till spring cause it's too cold to camp outside in the winter. In the winter they stay in the homeless shelters.
Satanick
Actually OWS is all about democracy but keep believing whatever you hear from the news.
Democracy works both ways. Your "movement" infringed on many people outside Wall Street and left human feces and trash in your wake without remorse or consideration. Perhaps you should rename your so called OWS "bowel movement." Also, we believe what we see in the news, not what we hear.
The few that were still there all went to their nice warm homes at night, every night.
Capitalism will destroy itself in time. As history and nature shows us, things that are unsustainable or operate above and beyond their means will eventually reach a critical mass and collapse or implode. The Global Financial Crisis is a good example of this. And you may rest assured that the questions and issues raised by the occupy movement will only become relevant to government after everything has fallen apart.
You may have a point as long as Obama is in office.
What is collapsing and imploding are poor people having children they cannot afford. That is the root cause of poverty and social problems. Stop the poor from reproducing and all problems will fix themselves.
Actually its all the old people fact boy. Social security/medicare expenditures by far outweigh the piddily amount we spend on welfare programs.
Satanick, The older generation paid their dues & were the basis of this great country in helping it acheive. They deserve the entitlements that they worked so hard for to prepare for their retirement. In other words they paid into it. It's people like you who have not earned anything but Liberal sympathy & all your whining & other b%llsh%t is an a embarrassment to the older generation. However, I have 10 years before I retire [yea right], do you think these programs will be there for me? I highly doubt it. You folks need to quit your whining, grow up, man down earn your keep & enjoy what you desire with hard work. Also don't include me in your so called 99%.
If they eliminated all of us who do not want to be associated with the OWS claim of 99% it would soon be clear that they are more like 0.01%
The older folks paid into Social Security. It was like putting money into an IRA for retirement. But, alas, a bunch of that investment money has disappeared, or evaporated over the years ???
Satanick, you're right in that the number of elderly who are one Social Security (SS) are an extreme burden to those that are paying into the system. In 1932 when SS started, for every one person on SS, there were 13 people who were paying into SS. Also SS retirement age was 65, average life expectancy was 61. Not many people collecting SS. Fast forward to today, retirement age is 67, average life expectancy is well over 75. The number of people contributing to each SS recipient is ~2.2, henceforth less money coming into the program. You'll never guess who raised the retirement age from 65 to 67. Theissue here is obvious, but how can anyone rightly believe that they can expect to collect $1,700.00 per month, depending on the SS calculations for your specific situation, for say 15 years ($306,000.00) when you worked for 40 years and put into the program $1,700.00 per year ($68,000.00).
What needs to occur with the SS is that there needs to be a means test for collecting SS. My in-laws are worth north of 8 figures to the left of the decimal place (that's with two commas), yet they collect SS. If your personal worth is over $X, you do not need to collect SS even if you have paid into it.
The other issue with SS is that it has become a general welfare program that needs to stop.
I have no problem with Medicare, I think the tax rates need to be increased to help fund the program. Once you turn 60 private health insurance (read Blue Cross, Blue Shield, etc.) becomes prohibitively expensive. There needs to be programs in place that help the elder with health care costs and because of the number of people paying into and collecting Medicare benefits, this is the best method of providing low-cost healthcare.
Oh, and that person that raised the retirement age, the late Ronald Reagan....
@ ozmosis
Do you even know how Social Security works? Or the regressive nature of the Social Security tax?
Nothing but a bunch of silly clueless delusional fools. The world and the USA moves on regardless of what these inconsequential morons do.. they will never get it.
I hope the police have had their shots and wore gas masks. Because you know that these free loaders would not offer to clean up their mess they probably did not keep themselves clean.
What is a good protest?
Wow I wonder how many hateful people that post here were once peace loving hippies in the 60's and 70's. What did you do back then? Protest...did it do anything? What happened to the Vietnam war? Did we not almost have that won except for a media ploy by Ho Chi Minh in which they took over a key town? That with some others things brought the war to an end. What about Gandhi and Martin Luther? Do not tell me protesting does not do anything.
You wish people would go away and will spew anything out of you mouth to try and deter people (media ploys). Would you rather people protest or revolt? We could always go back to killing people again, that seems to solve everything...
We cannot keep going down the same path, it has to end one way or another, you pick.
I happen to disagree with you. I'm ready for the "or else" bring it on.
Filthy animals........, hose them down and delouse them before putting them in a cell
I'm all for protests but this one didn't accomplish anything. I think there are probably other ways. Boycotting businesses, lobbying, talking to those who don't know what you are trying to do in order to win them to your side (there is strength in numbers)....
It seemed that most people didn't know what these "occupiers" were really all about.
Yet the Obama army IRS is going after and harassing the Tea Party while OWS gets a free ride.
All thanks to Anthony van Jones.
Good to see London finally taking out the trash...
Good for you London! Every city needs to clear its streets and parks of this type of garbage. Last moth they got rid of the animals in my city also.
Hallelujah!
Its apparent these people in the tents are unemployed. doesnt make much sense to lay around in tents all day and night with no money in your pockets and with no clear path set for oneself. i suppose one sollution is for these people to get off theirs butt's and get a job and stop being a menace to society.
Nobody is listening to these folks overseas.
Too bad they do not have a sympathetic ear like they do here with the president and Nancy Pelosi and this administration.
I'm afraid their only recourse is a London spring.
The substantial injuries to the arms by dragging civilians is aggravating an already questionable human rights issue. I caution police officers to not make legal matters worse for themselves in the event that later they are sued. There are better solutions of higher thought available to each officer that are broadly utilizing this method of brutal restraint across the globe, normally set aside for violent offenders.
Use them.
Mace or pepper spray
There's actually a practical purpose for evicting them...would any of you want your city trashed by the occupy movement if you were about to host the Olympics in just a few months as London is? I would say not, and anyone that says otherwise is a LIAR...not one of you would say "YEAH!!! I WOULD LIKE MY CITY LOOKING LIKE A DUMP FOR THE WORLD TO WATCH FOR 2 WEEKS!" XP
Spay/neuter these a-holes. I'm glad their stupid tents got tossed in the garbage. Fitting for the garbage worthless scumbags that they are.
I couldn't agree more!