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Subscribe to RSSWhile shelling continues on Homs, it was confirmed journalist Paul Conroy, of the Sunday Times, who was wounded in the attack that killed reporter Marie Colvin and French photographer Remi Ochlik, is safely out of Syria. ITN's Tim Ewart reports.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday that an argument could be made that Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad is a war criminal.
"There would be an argument to be made that he would fit into that category," Clinton told a Senate committee hearing, responding to a question from Senator Lindsey Graham as to whether Assad could be called a war criminal.
But she added that using such labels "limits options to persuade leaders to step down from power."
Clinton was also asked whether she thought Assad was on his way out eventually. "I do," she said. "I just don't know how to define eventually."
Last week Clinton attended a "Friends of Syria" conference of Western and Arab powers in Tunis that urged Assad to stop the killing of civilians in his crackdown on a nearly year-old uprising against his rule.
Wounded British journalist smuggled out of Syria
But the outside world has proved powerless to halt the killing in Syria, where repression of initially peaceful protests has spawned an armed insurrection.
A U.N. panel has drawn up a list of Syrian officials who could be investigated for crimes against humanity as part of Assad's brutal crackdown on peaceful protests.
The U.S. also criticized Syria's envoy for storming out of an emergency U.N. meeting on the crisis in his country Tuesday, saying the walkout and a fiery speech that preceded it demonstrated the "delusional" nature of President Bashar Assad's regime.
Syria's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, Fayssal al-Hamwi, accused members of the U.N. Human Rights Council of promoting terrorism and prolonging the crisis in his country by holding an urgent meeting on Syria.
"Anybody who heard the Syrian ambassador should be aware that his comments were borderline out of touch with reality," Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe, the U.S. representative to the 47-nation council, told reporters.
"I think it's a reflection to some extent of what's going on with the Assad regime itself, holding a referendum that is farcical and a mockery of democratic processes when they're in the midst of a humanitarian crisis of their own creation," she said. "I think the Syrian ambassador's comments were equally delusional."
Al-Hamwi took the floor shortly after the U.N.'s top human rights official called for an immediate cease-fire in Syria and unhindered access for aid agencies to deliver emergency supplies and evacuate the sick and wounded.
"We are convinced that the real aim behind holding this session today is to cover up for the violence and murder perpetrated by the armed groups against innocent civilians," Syria's ambassador told diplomats.
Calling it part of "a pre-established plan," al-Hamwi said the meeting was "aimed at attacking the Syrian state and its institutions under the pretext of humanitarian needs."
"We are not pretending that the human rights situation in Syria is perfect," he added. "We are aware that there is a regression in the quality of services usually provided by the government to the population by the regions facing violence. This is due to the armed groups that are using residential areas as bases."
As diplomats and government officials from 70 countries lined up to express their concern about the deteriorating situation in Syria, al-Hamwi announced that his delegation would withdraw from what he called "this sterile discussion."
Before storming out of the room, he denounced a planned resolution on Syria as "malicious and prejudiced."
Foreign Minister Alain Juppe says France is working on a new U.N. Security Council resolution that would call for an immediate ceasefire in Syria and humanitarian aid.
He says that shelling in the city of Homs, where two journalists were killed and at least two wounded last week, had reached "unbearable and criminal proportions."
Russia and China have consistently blocked Security Council efforts to back Arab League plans aimed at ending the Syrian conflict.
Juppe said the resolution "could stipulate an immediate ceasefire and access for humanitarian aid as well as renewing our support to the Arab League."
The U.N. political chief B. Lynn Pascoe said Tuesday that "well over" 7,500 people have died in Syria violence and that there are "credible" reports that more than 100 civilians are dying in the country daily. Activists groups said Monday that the death toll for 11 months of unrest has now surpassed 8,000 people.
"Unfortunately, the international community has also failed in its duty to stop the carnage, and actions and inactions to date have seemed to encourage the regime in its believe that it has impunity to carry out the wanton destruction of its own civilians," Pascoe said.
Members of the Geneva-based council are expected to pass a resolution this week condemning "widespread and systematic violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms by the Syrian authorities."
A draft text supported by many Arab and Western nations says the Syrian regime's use of heavy artillery and tanks to attack civilian areas has contributed to the deaths of thousands.
Libya's Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib said he supported passing a firm resolution on Syria in the council.
"We hope that the Syrian people will have the same freedom and victory soon as the Libyan people are enjoying right now," he said.
Navi Pillay, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, cited the report of a U.N. expert panel that concluded Syrian government officials were responsible for "crimes against humanity" committed by security forces against opposition members. The crimes included shelling civilians, executing deserters and torturing detainees. Some opposition groups, too, had committed gross abuses, the report said.
The panel has compiled a confidential list of top-level Syrian officials who could face prosecution over the atrocities.
Pillay reiterated her call for Syria to be referred to the International Criminal Court "in the face of the unspeakable violations that take place every moment."
"More than at any other time, those committing atrocities in Syria have to understand that the international community will not stand by and watch this carnage and that their decisions and the actions they take today ultimately will not go unpunished," she said.
Several countries backed her call for Syria to be referred to the ICC, a proposition made difficult by the fact that Syria's longtime ally Russia holds a veto in the U.N. Security Council, where such a move would have to be approved.
Esther Brimmer, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, told reporters that while it was up to the Syrian people to decide how to try those responsible for atrocities in Syria, the international community could assist by collecting evidence for future prosecutions.
Meanwhile, Tunisia offered on Tuesday to give Syrian President Bashar al-Assad political asylum if that helps to end a crackdown on the near-year-old uprising against his rule.
"Tunisia is ready in principle to grant political asylum to Bashar al-Assad and his family if this proposal will contribute to stopping the bloodshed," Adnen Monssar, an aide to President Moncef al-Marzouki, told Reuters.
Tunisian President Moncef Marzouki suggested during the "Friends of Syria" conference of Western and Arab powers in Tunis last week that Russia, which has vetoed U.N. Security Council action against the Syrian regime, give Assad refuge. On Tuesday, his aide said Tunisia was willing to take him itself.
The Associated Press, Reuters and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.
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yawn...
Thanks Hillary.. keep fanning the flames and get another 5-10 thousand civilians killed..
That's what politicians are best at sadly :/
This is a civil war internal with external Al-Querida support of rebels...Will the USA now support the rebels and give Al-Querida weapons? What insanity......
SofS Clinton: And what do you "label" someone who lies about campaign contributions ? Just a liar ?
And what do you suggest to quell the violence in Syria ? MORE sanctions ? Sanctions have worked really well in Iran and North Korea which both leaders defy ANYONE.
How about Egypt, Libya, et al, who "we" helped to liberate from suppressed regimes and helped to establish those "DEMOCRATIC" governments run by more suppressive Military or Muslim Brotherhood factions ?
Time for the SofS to consider "retiring" and going back to Arkansas to establish another Whitewater development with Mr. Clinton and maybe even Mr. Gore.
paul-1162416.....You forgot to mention "we have to sit down with the terrorists" approach.
Let's see: Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah vs. al Qaeda, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Am I the only one who thinks we should root for the bullets?
ldo and paul-1162416, both of you are just plain morons. We are in this situation because of stupid people like you. Actually, the entire world is in a mess because of people like you. Congrats.
really? you're blaming her for this monster's actions? if he's not a war criminal, he's a mass murderer.....when kissinger comments ms. clinton is doing a great job in her position, she gets my respect. the rest of these comments are simply opinions...and you know what they say about opinions...
Could be? How about IS. Nato? go get him.
"This is a civil war internal with external Al-Querida support of rebels...Will the USA now support the rebels and give Al-Querida weapons? What insanity......"
Do you have anything at all to back up your inflammatory delusional statements? No? No credible links? No reports from a credible journalist? No? Oh and since when is the US supplying them with weapons, assuming your imaginary boogeyman scenario were actually happening. Oh that's right, we're not. The most we've done in regards to Syria is participate in UN talks over it. I know, I know, you need a cowboy making up lies about WMDs to invade a sovereign nation in order to be behind a US war.....
This reminds of me of all the teabagging fools who made up the same lie with regards to Lybia. They were also clamoring about how Obama was sending thousands of troops into Lybia when we never sent one. Just another member of the fringe right with absolutely no connection to reality.
But you people don't care about facts at all. Lies and conspiracy theories allow you to attack the leaders on the left where facts don't. Go ahead attack Hillary. She's doing a fantastic job. Powell was doing well under Bush, until he resigned due to the fact that they made him lie to the UN about WMDs. Rice just carried the lies unquestioningly. At least this administration works with the rest of the world under international law.
Don't you have some crying to do about a birth certificate or something? Freaking tea crazies.
Armando you may be on to something.............it's kinda like watching Olympic ski jumping there are no Americans in the finals so I don't really care who wins.
So, did you even read the article before you decided to post a hatemail for Secretary of State Clinton?
No, with you right-wing TP'ers accusation is automatic, if it is a Democrat say something unkind and if need be, untrue.
Every time I see thoughtless comments like yours, it reminds me why I will join million of independent and free-thinking Americans and vote for ANYBODY BUT A REPUBLICAN in 2012.
Yes, Democrats are not all great, but they sure beat the hell out of you dittohead non-thinkers!
Any Republican, any office, will be shown the door in 2012!
If you are going to make a statement...make a statement. The language is soft - coulda woulda shoulda. Take a stance or shut up...this is the Obama administration at its "best".
He is a war criminal.
War criminals....like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all the rest who bent and distorted information to justify an unnecessary war in Iraq that's killed tens of thousands and maimed tens of thousands of lives? That kind of war criminal? *sigh*
Mister/Sister Exodus 4:13:
What are you smoking ?
Ido and paul have that sort of idiot savant going for them because they don't believe their idols, Bush and Cheney, should be brought up on charges for being war criminals in regards to the War on Iraq, which is funny since neither one will take a step out of the U.S., but have no problem posting vitriolic comments about anyone concerning matters of the world they have no knowledge/understanding about on their best days.
You know nothing about the Middle East, except for what you are spoon fed from wingnut propaganda, do you? "Al-Querida" is a Sunni Muslim organization. Syria is predominately a Shi'ite country. The two don't get along very well. Why do you think Iran was offering to help us when we invaded Afghanistan?
Why is it always a "friend's ex-wife, a friend's mother, or step-sister" that makes this money? Why do we never hear of a first person account on how to make money, sitting around in your underwear, on the computer?
Citizen
no...war criminals like JFK and LBJ...you know the ones with the blood of 63,000 US soldiers and 5 million civilians on their hands...anymore questions?...thought not...isn't it cool?
With all due respect, we all use the word "could" too much. Is he or isn't he? Let's be specific.
These people are trying just as we did to win their freedom from oppression. And actually Hillary is doing a great job at trying to negotiate a deal that will be beneficial to both the oppressed and the oppresser. Unfortunately, Assad is unwilling to let go of his hold on power and will eventually die for his acts against humanity. Now to anyone here who believes we should not be involved try to take a look back in the past and answer me a question. Where would the USA be if France had not stepped up and helped us out during our struggle? RIGHT! We would have lost and we would not have the same freedoms we enjoy right at this moment! Our country would be totally different. The USA is the first and greatest FREE country on this God given Earth; therefore, it makes sense that we help others in their time of need. I pray that the citizens of Syria receive their due justice and well fought for freedom from this devil in power. I also pray that each and every American tonight sits down and evaluates their lives as it stands and decide to try to put forward a better foot than they did today. Americans should learn that no life has a cost (hence complaining about our deficit when people are dying) and that the second we turn our backs on people in need we will no longer be the greatest country in the world because no great country can watch this kind of murder and not do something about it.
gtouch-
Not exactly. It's more one of those things where you want your two most hated rivals faceplant into the side of a mountain.
Let me make myself clear here: I'd love to see Assad toppled and a liberal democracy take shape in Syria. However, given the people who are doing the bulk of fighting there---al Qaeda, Iran, potentially Hamas---I really don't see that happening, and, further, I don't see why the US should get militarily involved. It would just give both sides a new target and a scapegoat, which, after ten years of war, I'm frankly sick of the US being. Better Ahmadinejad's and Assad's boys going home in bodybags than our own.
@ Harry Blank....agree totally...doesn't matter who the arrogant President is or what letter they have after their name, war crimes are war crimes! Thanks for making my point! :)
Ms. Clinton should be labeled an idiot.
Obama is a war criminal for inciting violence all over the middle east. He's started 4 wars and counting.
...and assassinating American citizens and hundreds of innocent bystanders with drones COULD be murder.
If we apply this uniformly, it could be a long list.
Leaving US, British and European nations’ leaders, Saudi rulers and their princess and princesses and Paki leaders qualify most.
Saudis and Pakis are guilty of:
1. Manipulation high oil prices by inventing Iraqi wars.
2. Pocketing the windfalls driving many nations including US, British, European and many oil importing nations to bankruptcy.
3. Funding spread of their versions Sunni Salafi and Wahhabi Islamic radicalism and terrorism all over the world by funding them and their mosques.
4. Violation of human rights and even right to live for non-Muslims through massive genocides as in Pakistan, Sudan, Ethiopia and other Muslim nations. They are spreading to Egypt, Iraq and other nations too.
Does ICC also work with Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists like Clintons' and many others?
Are not these Syria and Iran dramas similar to Iraqi war dramas?
If Assad is a War Criminal then NATO, Obama, and Bush W are too.
Period.
beadarg, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
His days are numbered. Let them settle it themselves. Let Europe deal with this problem, the US has enough on its plate.
"could be"?? I think he already IS one
France's leaders declare President Lincoln should be labeled a War Criminal. Lincoln has reportedly killed more than 100,000 of his countrymen. Including women and children.
Who cares what france thinks. Nobody likes them. Ask any other European. I have.
These Clintons did similar jokes on Yugoslavia and invented Bosnia on the directions of Saudis, oil companies and lobbyists.
Bill Clinton’s University of Arkansas got a Saudi grant of $100 million in return.
Talk about selling dam cheap: You have Clintons. Hope people know their professions.
I hate to see so many innocent women and children, dieing in the cross fire.
My prayer in that somehow they will turn from their evil, and begin to "Love their neighbors".
The one Commandment Jesus left us was "to love God with all our hearts, and our neighbor as ourselves".
It just doesn't seem that hard to do.
His Servant.
Do these yardsticks apply uniformly or only selected places?
Why did you people not oppose wars in Iraq, Yugoslavia and other places?
All of you people can count to hearts content all the big things in Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan and other places.
By any chance, do you people have mercy on the US and other NATO forces soldiers and their families sent to wars for doing dirty jobs of Saudi Arabia, oil companies and their lobbyists?
What about huge unemployed, old and sickly due to Iraqi and Afghanistan wars right inside the US?
Hope we are humans too!
Jonathan
If Jesus said to "Love God, and our neighbor as ourselves" and He left this as our foremost commandment, I would believe that it is Important.
We will never see this fulfilled in this present world, it is only a tool that we as Humans could use. The perfect world will only happen upon Christ's return, which could be very soon. No one will know exactly when, but the Scriptures do tell us some of the signs. "Knowledge will increase" "Wars and rumors of war" "Earthquakes in diverse places", a falling away of "Christians" or "Religion" , and strong delusion.
What time in History has there ever been the increase in knowledge, that we now have with computers? Earthquakes are now a daily occurrence, Wars rage all over the world, "Religion" verses true Christians are being exposed, Strong delusion, at any moment televisions and the computers, can delude the whole world with false imformation.
His Servant.
Let me get this right, Like Libya, Tuns, Egypt , His country is Invaded by Terrorists, And shoot at the Army and shoot citizens, and Hillary claims the He is the criminal? The Army shoots at the Terrorists and shoots citizens, whose side do you chose?
You probably shouldn't take the reports by the state-owned Syrian media too seriously, orlandca.
Look around at some of the other information on the crisis.
At the start of Barracks term his administration were pinning there hopes of mid east peace on Assad being a reformer. After that they said they were open to talks with Iran. Strike one. Strike two. Missing badly. Egypt should be strike three. Libya, strike four.
Americans are too dumb to understand that Messenger. Thank you for the truth post though. It wasn't wasted and I truly appreciate it.
"We are aware that there is a regression in the quality of services usually provided by the government to the population by the regions facing violence."
Well, not all of them. Syria's artillery services have been really good about delivering their explosives on time and regularly, and their coverage has never been better.
Hillary, you and your power-broker pals need to quit with the debates and the name-calling. People are dying and being maimed by their president. If Obama pulled the same s*** here to stay in power, I would hope the Canadians and Mexicans would come to our aid to stop the artillery bombardment on Philadelphia. Politics is a fun game for you rich leaches but it's not for the Syrian people.
Kountryking: second that. My hopes are Americans get off their butts and threaten these scumbag politicians with a vote of NO CONFIDENCE... tired of the bs.
Too many Clinton haters in here, she's doing an Excellent Job!!!
Hillary Clinton is doing a fantastic job as Sec. of State--
Readers of this article did not need to be warned that Assad is a War Criminal.
We all know this--but when?---He will probably meet his demise first, by either taking a "pill"; softly, permanently sleeping like Hitler, or a Gadhafi style Torture from the other side of his opponents there.
Either one is too good for this Supreme Dictator of Death.
Alfa...I never liked Hillary but you are 100 percent correct, she is an excellent Secy. of State. She has repaired a lot of damage done by the my way or no way admin of Cheney/Bush.
Hawwaii. The Sunnis are coming to take Syria. Assad better escape to Iran and let the genocide begin. Shiites better grab their SHIIT and run. Or die. Al Qaida is taking over.
Leroy:
Assad better be prepared to "share" Leadership with Ahdinemajad---It will never happen, if you are serious. Assad doesn't look worried; his head is so crazed with craziness from being the Supreme Leader of Syria; he doesn't worry about what will happen next..
Ahdinemajad won't share his country with another Major Dictator, who could bring more trouble to this country.
Yes, Al Qaeda is taking over---who are the citizens of Syria?---any better than those of the Egyptian Government and their Protesters?
I agree with you, S/S Hilliary Clinton is doing a fantastic job, the best Secretary of State in modern history.
I am 100 percent straight, but I have been "seduced" by this woman. More power to her!!! The
slaughter of the people in Syria must be stopped now. Genocide is unacceptable.
Gagggggggg
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Never seen so many uninformed people since I left America...wait...these are Americans posting.
We are supporting Al-Qaida... does anyone not see an issue with this?
They fly planes into our WTC.. Bad Al Qaida
They try to take over another country... Good Al Qaida
Clinton is a moron. Obama is a moron. Congress are morons.
This is a stupid comment and idea on the part of a woman I admire most.
People in other parts of thw orld are gettign tired of creating criminals because you do not agree. In USA we have succeeded in making criminals of our entire population by creating lots of laws. We have so many laws that even most lawyers cannot understand issues in question. Our justice is run by who can afford the most expensive lawyer. They can make really criminal look like a saint and a passer by can be convicted of murder and sentence to death.
In the area of domestic shorting out of the political winners and losers, we should stay out. They are not International events. I am sure there are people and leaders of other coutries who think and believe that some of our leaders have commited criminal acts and should be drageeed into world court. We are not allowing it. We generally seek blanket exemption from prosecution to people representing our Governemnt into foreign countries from criminal or civil prosecution whether thye have commoted crime or not.
World needs our leadership. If we stop nbeing fair, world will lsoe congfidence in us and that will not be good for any one.
Hillary with her Intellegent statements.
What do you mean "Could be labeled a War Criminal" ?
Did some one declare war? Who?
She is just offering a cue to the media in her corner.She is learning fast from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
orlandca=al assad
if his father was not a war criminal,then he is not one either,after all in 1982 he sealed of the city of Homs,and killed 20,000
Closer to 30,000. Still Russia, Iran and Venesuela support them. And all 3 hate America.
And the United States is a saint? I guess it's okay America invaded Iraq. It also reminds me of the United States stirring up trouble across the Middle East by trying to stir up a false democracy. How would our leaders feel if China sent over communist activists in the heart of America? America closed its business in others countries the moment Osama bin Laden was supposedly killed in Pakistan. Our leaders are causing these uprisings intentionally in oil regions to establish oil rights and trade. The war on terror is real, but it does not give our leaders the right to continue policing other Muslim countries. Either declare open season on all Islam worshipers or continue lying to the American people it's necessary to occupy the whole Middle East while giving away taxpayer money in the hopes of friendship of those who only want the money, not our friendship.
IF? China sends over plenty of activists. and spys. and bribes. Where have you been?
Leroy: I was unaware there are Chinese communist activists preaching communism in the streets of America.....
Go to Berkeley.
Leroy: Angela Davis teaches there... So she must be under the guise of an African American in bed with the Chinese? huh? I think you have Socialism and Communism confused....
Socialism is Communism. Communism is just when the food tickets run out....
So long as george w bush and bush senior are running around...I doubt it.
Panama canal incident? 5000 civilians killed after surrender. Don't even get me started on bush, just for blundering 9/11 so much and doing so much to prevent its investigation alone he should be tried. The million+ dead iraqi civilians plus the tremendous damage done over years and years for WMDs that didn't exist and quelling a civil war WE started should have him locked up, not remembered brightly. Yet we all scream about assad....sad.
RandomFox: shhh! That's supposed to be a secret... Ha! :D)
yeah let's not forget obama's war crimes either.......
I don't think there were a million, but there were many times what the advertised number is. Makes Sadam look like a saint (at least as far as being responsible for the deaths of civilians). You forgot Afaganistan, Pakistan, Libya. Are any of those coyuntries is better shape than when we got invloved.
What the hell are you fabricating now? President Obama has done more to repair America's reputation for justice and standing up for the rights of people than any president since Lyndon Johnson.
"War crimes"??? Just how stupid are you???
This is a lie, and I defy you to name one "war crime" that can be blamed on President Obama!
It makes me sick that you Republican dittoheads can not think for yourselves, and do everything possible to make America look bad by promoting lies about our leader.
Shame on you.
not a republican here and what do you call killing innocent civilians with drones? i guess it is allright if a liberal president kills eh?...obama is a phony.......and a liar....ANYONE BUT obama IN NOVEMBER!
SIC and Tired
Obama has supported Al Qaida by kicking out Daffy and going after Assad. That is treason at the highest level.
You keep drinking the kool-aid though. It fits you.
There are people who argue that Hillary Clinton couuld be accused of crimes against humanity for the atrocities committed in Libya prior to and after the brutal murder of Muammar Gaddafi and for the killing of nearly 70,000 Libyan men,women,and children in the illegal NATO bombing of that country.The lady is trying to fool all the people all the time.
I point the finger at the top. Do you think Hillary would have done those things if she was president. I doubt it. She is probably smarter than Obama, but Obama is the boss.
Clifford
So you telling me Obama twisted Hillary's nipple to make her do it?
Sigh
Americans and their stupid logic.... makes them look stupid.
A pity Hillary does not display the same principle in regards justice for Iraqi's - of whom very many more were killed and for less reason. After all, one may not like Assad but he clearly has an armed insurgency on his hands. On the other hand Iraq had no WMD's, was not involved with 9/11 but yet was attacked with resulting great slaughter. It seems when we attack a country on contrived grounds it is not a war crime, when others do it ( even in some form of self defense ) it may or not be a war crime depending on whether the country concerned is an ally of ours or not.
Well played Bob.
You just pointed out why America is hated in 95% of all countries on earth.
#1 It is their country, Syrians are entitled to fight and die for it on both sides. Let them free themselves.
#2 The US of A has ZERO national interest in Syria, they hate us and act to assist Iran every chance they get.
#3 Making the current leader a "war criminal" and making it impossible for him to exit his country and live elsewhere without fear of persecution by various whining socialist governments means he will have to stay and fight to the death or win.
Ever thought of offering him a villa in Russia and allowing him to keep his bank accounts if he departs peacefully? I bet that would save more lives than trying to send him to prison for hanging if he leaves power.
All that talk and you have yet to buy your plane ticket to Syria to help them,,,,,,,,,,,,
morphinecarnival-zj banned, re-reg of multiple accounter morphine-carnival.
Until bush, cheney, rumsfeld are jailed for war crimes, this country has no credibility on who is a war criminal. We need to clean up our own house first.
obama too!
Only traitors suggest that Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld are in any way war criminals.
I would think that the leaders of any nation that maintains "expeditionary forces" could be considered war criminals.. as well as the institutions that support them.
Right in your world Gitmo is closed too.
Reading Hillary's comments, she has to be the dumbest Secretary of State this country has ever seen. He could be classified, except, that maybe, unless...and considering...The woman can't make a simple statement that makes any sense.
henry kissinger disagrees with you.
So true reeblite so f'n true
by this reasoning you could call obama a war criminal........i think obama's drone attacks have killed innocent civilians....oh well...i guess that is cool because obama is a liberal hypocrite.....ANYONE BUT obama IN NOVEMBER!!!
And also by this reasoning GW, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be in Federal prison as well.
100,000+ Iraqi civilians .... talk about setting the bar high ! Assad would need 10 more years to reach that gleaming jewel of a goal.
amen to that.
i think obama is not protecting Christians minority, we emailed him almost 8,000 petition to protect Christian in the middle east and we ask him to mention that in the union state speech and he did not do it, obama is blocking freedom of catholic Christians in USA, and you are talking about democracy, your democracy got Christians minority in the middle east an evil it calls Muslim brotherhood and evil Saudi Arabia belief salfeen in Egypt, attacking minority Christians , burn their houses, abuse them, steal their money, destroy their businesses, burn their churches, kidnap their teenagers and convert them to Muslims. is this the democracy you looking for of dominating Muslim brotherhood Sunni in the whole middle east and i am not sure if you know that Christians are the owner and the origin of these countries. president obama Hussein, go figure? as in the Revelation in the bible , the evil which is Muslim brotherhood and the prostitute (Obama administration) is helping the evil to control the middle east
Congress cleared Bush and Co. by declaring WMD evidence was viable.
Obama had no such clearance.
You say it was NATO that did it?
Then shut up saying it was Obama that did it
Grow a pair and stop hiding.
Plus, Hillary voted to go into Iraq.
I personally wish that Secretary Clinton would keep her mouth shut and maintain a low profile. Especially since our government and most of the Western nations at the moment have no intention of intervening in Syria's civil war without approval of the great UN security counsel. Although I agree that president Assad has as commander and chief of his armed forces committed crimes against humanity it needs to be remembered that the war in Syria is an on going event and her inflammatory remarks endanger even more unarmed civilians in that region of the middle east. She is making comments without having any way to bring Syria's leaders into compliance with laws concerning the civilian population of the world. Assad knows that the west poses no threat to him at the moment and is going to do absolutely nothing. He is conducting this war knowing that he is acting with impunity. Someone needs to stuff a rag in that woman's mouth when she gets on her political band wagon.
She simply screeches and carps like the old crone, that she is.
Isn't ms. clinton, or for that matter, any other American, skating on thin Ice when she asserts, that any other person or nation is guilty of war crimes, in view of the death and distraction and murders we have inflicted in the Arab world for the last eleven years. We have killed more innocent people than all other Nations combined since the start of this century. We are the Worlds leading War Criminal. Assad is a puppy compared to us.
You win the dumbest post of the day award. First of all Americans have not intentionally killed any innocent people. Secondly, the "Arab world" has inflicted death and murder on its own people since Mohammad was declared a "prophet." Saddam killed more truly innocent people each year than were killed in America's war against terrorism. Iraq and Iran fought for eight years, killing millions, before that conflict was over. More Arabs have killed Arabs than the rest of the world combined. Your post is thoughtless and meaningless.
You had better learn to read, moron!
The RealMerridian.
You need to go back to school or go take your medication. I could tell that you skip history, just like some hil billy. the Iran Iraq war was ours it was our proxy war against Iran, we use Saddam to do it for us while we supply him with the weapons, even down to the mustard gas he use on the Iranians and his own people!.. thanks to the CIA and others. You just win the dumbest comment. you silly turkey dump.
Wasp, you must be competing with Phil for a stupidity contest. If it wasn't for Carter abandoning the Shah of Iran and allowing Khomeni to take American hostages and take control of the country, that war would have never happened. If it weren't for Carter's incompetence, the Middle East and the world would be a safer place. Our current Idiot in Chief is going down the same path.
Ba'ath rulers are despotic tyrants, but they are better than the void that is left after they are deposed through western intervention. Iraq is an example. And quite frankly. US support to 'rebels' including Al-Qaeda and other loony extremists will undo the little tolerance and liberalism that exists in Syria. People in the western world do not appreciate the form of things to come, with Al Qaeda infiltrators going after Syria's substantial minorities of Christian, Alevi, Shia and Druze.
It sure may please Americans to kick and punch democracy into a bloodied Syrian country, but then the fact is that you all are far removed from the fields. And your direct intervention in the debacles of Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrates that even if you step in, its your poor soldiery that will bear the brunt, along with the tax-payers' money that has to fund the expensive wars.
BINGO!
Women in Iraq used to wear cosmetics and western clothing and pursue careers and... and now, increasingly, they are subjected to the same restraints which prevail in Saudi Arabia and Iran. Syria, likewise, enforces a secular society, which allows women rights unheard of in, for instance, the land of our good friends, the Saudis (you know, the folks who provided the majority of the 9/11 hijackers...). Ditto Christians and other minority religions, which enjoyed at least some tolerance under the Ba'athists in both Syria and Iraq, while our friendly "puppet" government, in Afghanistan, proposes to hang a Christian preacher as an "apostate" from Islam. Why we think we can step into a tribal society and impose our alien notions of democracy on it eludes me, but the result of ALL of our interventions, to date, has been to actually lessen the freedoms we claim to be upholding. I don't know who you are, Rahul, but thank you for pointing out what too many Americans simply don't understand. Tossing out Assad is only going to open up old wounds and bring new conflicts, while providing our enemies with fresh opportunities and grievances. The rest of the world is not "just like 'Merca, only with funny accents and colorful clothes". These are very different nations with traditions all their own and tensions and problems we seem blithely unaware of as we blunder about, pretending that Jeffersonian democracy will spontaneously bloom in the treadmarks left by our tanks.
Where was she when Bush and Chaney commited war crime in Iraq and Afghanistan?