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Majid Khan, seen here in 1999 family photo, moved to Maryland with his family in 1996 and graduated from a suburban Baltimore high school.
Updated at 11:15 a.m. ET: GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba -- A former CIA "ghost prisoner" who grew up in the Baltimore area admitted to a U.S. war crimes court on Wednesday that he was an al-Qaida money courier and martyr-in-training now prepared to help prosecute other terrorism suspects.
A lawyer entered a guilty plea to five charges, including murder, on behalf of Majid Khan at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba. Asked by the judge if he understood the plea, Khan answered in English, "yes, sir."
Khan was the first of the so-called "high-value" detainees to plead guilty.
A ghost prisoner is an official term for someone whose identity has been hidden and unregistered at a detention center.
From Md. to Gitmo: Ex-gas station worker faces trial
After nearly nine years in U.S. custody, the Pakistani native appeared in public for the first time at the top-security courtroom. He pleaded guilty in a deal that spares him from a potential life sentence in exchange for helping prosecute other prisoners.
He faces up to 25 years in prison but will likely serve far less. Sentencing will be deferred to 2016.
Khan, a square-faced 32-year-old with short black hair, goatee and glasses, wore a dark suit, white shirt and tie as he stood in court next to his military lawyer, Army Lieutenant Colonel Jon Jackson, who spoke on his behalf.
His lawyers were seeking to seal the details of his deal to protect him and his family. Prosecutors said it should be open because of overwhelming public interest. A judge was expected to rule on the issue Wednesday.
Khan moved to Maryland with his family in 1996 and graduated from a suburban Baltimore high school. He met self-described Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during a trip to Pakistan in 2002 and became his acolyte.
Images: Life goes on in Guantanamo
Under Mohammed's instruction, Khan passed a test designed to prove his willingness to become an al-Qaida suicide bomber. He donned a fake bomb vest and waited to set it off in a mosque in Karachi where he was told then-Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf would show up.
Khan also delivered $50,000 of al-Qaida cash to the group that drove a truck bomb into the JW Marriott Hotel in Jakarta in 2003, killing eight people and wounding dozens.
A California woman who survived the blast watched Wednesday's hearing from behind a glass wall in the courtroom spectators' gallery.
Khan's parents and other relatives were scheduled to watch via closed-circuit television at a Maryland military base. He also has a wife in Pakistan and a daughter he has never seen.
'Tortured' Gitmo prisoner seeks release of secret videos
Pakistani police arrested Khan at his brother's house in Pakistan in March 2003 and turned him over to the CIA. His family did not learn what had happened to him until three and a half years later, when then-President George W. Bush announced he had closed the secret prisons and sent Khan and more than a dozen other CIA ghost prisoners to Guantanamo.
Khan is the seventh captive convicted in the still-evolving Guantanamo tribunals designed to prosecute non-U.S. citizens on terrorism charges outside the regular civilian and military courts. He is the fifth to plead guilty in exchange for leniency.
Four of those guilty pleas have occurred under the administration of President Barack Obama, whose attempts to close the Guantanamo detention camp and move the trials into civilian federal courts have been thwarted by Congress.
Msnbc.com staff, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Did he really do it .... or after nine years of torture .. he broke and said anything they wanted?
So your saying that Obama is having the prisoners tortured down at Gitmo.............who would have guessed that...........thanks for the scoop moonbeamracer.
Moonbeam , an apt description for anyone continually believeing their country is ALWAYS at fault and the criminals are POOR victims !
We don't find fault with our country. We find fault with the people who seek to direct it, and then misguide it and half its population. If Obama doesn't make amends for his errors in his second term, he will be as guilty of war crimes as Bush and Cheney. If he brings them to trial after a fair investigation, we'll give him a pass for going along with the Patriot Act and the NDAA, in order to get to his second term.
paul , it was not Obama who sent the troops to afghanistan, it was bush ,so what you really mean is if bush doesn't make amends, but is already considered a war criminal by the terrorist , so get your information right !!
Now that he has admitted his guilt, he can go exercise on the $750,000.00 Astro-Turf Soccer Field BHO has authorized to be built at GITMO. Remember this is th every same GITMO wanted to close!
BTW - Congress authorized the President to go to war in Afghanistan. And, guess what, at the time Congress was controlled by Democrats. The "blame" (if any) belongs to both parties.
Sorry, but a guilty plea from a man who has been in prison for 9 years is hardly a laudable accomplishment. Put somebody in prison for 9 years, and threaten to keep them in forever anyway, they will tell you whatever you want to hear. Chances are this guy is pretty slow, and the CIA contacted him, convinced him that they were Al-Qaeda, then swooped in to pick him up for working with "Al-Qaeda". Just like earlier this month when they contacted a guy, gave him a dummy bomb, and sent him to DC, then "caught" him and pretended like they caught some terrorist mastermind.
Yeah, the CIA concocted Al Queda, there are no Muslim extremist. Ayman Zahawairi is really Rumsfield in disguise, we faked the killing of Bin Laden because it was really Carl Rove. The twin Towers were taken down by Vegas Casino owners so they could build casinos , and Obama really is Jesus. BTW I'm CIA and I'm watching YOU!
Tell me something wlee, where did the Taliban come from? Al-Qaeda? I want to get a history lesson from you, please tell me where they came from.
Wlee- good post! Funny!-
you gotta admit- this is typical lib: even when faced with reality, they still refute it. Kind of like the new TV show coming out: "Awake" - are they awake or asleep? Who can tell - they sure can't!
Libs: it's Bush/Cheneys fault!...whatever it is, it's Bush/Cheney! Start thrashing!
Hhahahahah
Stake him out on a hot fire ant hill for a week.
The CIA Co-opted the jihadists by setting up the mujahedin, the "base", Al Qaida, in Afghanistan, under Usama bin Laden, our "employee". The lower level "true believers" are as unaware of this as you are.
...and it's all funded and coordinated by the Lizard People.
Damn it, I read the title wrong, I thought it said Former US "President" pleads guilty to murder, I was getting ready to celebrate the fact that George W. Bush grew a conscience and finally turned himself in for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.
deprogrammer, post on-topic and keep misreads-turned-fantasies to yourself. Write your own article about Pres. Bush. You're suspended for a day for violating #4 of the Code of Honor.
3.7 deleted, justoneguy indulging the derail with a bunch of unsourced quotes.
UH-Oh, some peoples got their "Freedom of Speech" rights revoked by the editor's people. HA HA Someone go tell the NAACP and ACLU.
But on the article, it really didn't matter what his plea was, he was staying in jail anyway.
wlee, you know all the libs here who think that everybody in Gitmo are poor innocent victims won't get your sarcasm. They're going to think you just revealed new secret information.
Considering right-wingers' inclination to go against their own self interest due to ignorance, anger and blind hatred - they do exhibit profound arrogance and supreme self-confidence on their own limited mental capabilities.
Ignorance surely is bliss.
LOGICAL (if only that were true)
Explain how it helps our "self interest" to aid or abet terrorism. Explain how mysogyny, violence against women, slavery, and theocratic rule are good for us.
Realist, Now that is funny, sad but true,but funny never the less!
Ritdog-908299 .... my comment was not to condone the terrorists activities but to refute "Realists" use of "lib" as somehow lacking in mental skills. You do prove my point though by frothing at the mouth without considering the context of my comment.
Realist, darn you Wiki Leaks I've been outed
Why have we not put a bullet in his head yet? I'll donate the bullet, gun and volunteer to pull the trigger. The only good muslim / terrorist is a dead one.
Because we are more civilized then they are. We do not solve violence with more violence. That is exactly what they do. Do you want to be like them?
NYC - Describe your methodology for dealing with the Axis during WWII if you could go back and do it. Avoid violence. Describe in detail your plans for stopping the Nazis from taking over Europe.
Explain why you would advocate doing nothing when faced with an attack.
Do I want to "be like them"? : NO- I want to be much , much worse then them. Then they will get the picture.
We could have very easily prevented the whole Hitler/Nazi era, if after WW 1 we had helped Germany to recover, just like we did after the second world war. It was called the Marshal plan. Most of the time when your enemy is down it's better, to help him up rather than kick him.
Thank you, Ritdog-908299! I logged in just to say "thanks" for the spot-on response to Nyc Guy and to vote for your comment.
Of course, you know he can't answer you. The bleeding hearts don't comprehend the mantra "fight fire with fire", no matter how obvious it is. They think that if you continue to allow others to walk all over you, they will eventually get tired of it and stop...I guess. They refuse to accept the reality that the enemy will not be satisfied until we are all dead or converted to islam.
wlee , i agree with you 100 % but some people are too stupid to realize it.
I wonder how many of you would plead guilty to something after being HELD FOR 9 YEARS without any charges filed. They pressure to do something, anything, must be enormous.
Sadly, for Americans and us in the global community, the U.S Federal Government has NO credibility and NO integrity indeed. So we never know what to believe anymore. I err on the side of they are lying. The reason I do is because that's what they have earned!
I'm glad he has been prosecuted and is not on the streets. But 9 years is a ridiculous amount of time to prosecute someone with such a clear history of terrorism and murder.
Did I seriously read this correctly..."Sentencing will be deferred to 2016." So, we keep his identity hidden from the world (not to mention his family) and throw him in gitmo without any charge for nine years. Then after nine years he finally breaks, pleads guilty, and still won't know his ultimate fate for four more years. This is justice?
Since the guy is looking at doing more time anyways, it really doesn't matter when they sentence him. They'll probably keep him for the next few years as a tool, then sentence him based on how valuable his information was/ how cooperative he was in prosecuting others.
While this definitely isn't a system that most of us would like to see used by the US, if it helps break the organization trying to kill women and children then I say go for it.
Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither. - Benjamin Franklin
The only difference is that in this case, your saying that your security is worth more than someone else's liberty. I'm not sure you'd agree if it were the other way around.
Gee I'm so broke up about someone raised in the US and decides to side with our enemy. We are not talking about a normal criminal. Maybe some of you liberals can become pen pals and share your philosophy's.
Yes he really did it. He just another worthless POS that liberal Democratic's want to make their poster boy, claiming he is Innocent of all charge.
Next the liberals will want to let him go so that he can go back to his father country and kill Americans again. Oh boo hoo, let the poor boy go. Next time maybe he will kill some liberal who cried for the POS.
To..Steven...
Talk about the making of a poster boy...the original link to this doesn't work anymore
but I'm sure you remember this...
Al-Libi’s Tall Tales
A CIA document obtained by NEWSWEEK provides further evidence that the U.S. intelligence community had serious doubts about information from a high-level Qaeda detainee before the Iraq war.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
11/10/05 "Newsweek" --
-- Nov. 10, 2005 - A CIA document shows the agency in January 2003 raised questions about an Al Qaeda detainee’s claims that Saddam Hussein’s government provided chemical and biological weapons training to terrorists—weeks before President George W. Bush and other top officials flatly used those same claims to make their case for war against Iraq.
The CIA document, recently provided to Congress and obtained by NEWSWEEK, fills in some of the blanks in the mysterious case of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, a captured Al Qaeda commander whose claims about poison-gas training for the Qaeda group by Saddam’s government formed the basis for some of the most dramatic arguments used by senior administration officials in the run up to the invasion of Iraq.
As NEWSWEEK first reported last July, al-Libi has since recanted those claims. The new CIA document states the agency “recalled and reissued” all its intelligence reporting about al-Libi’s “recanted” claims about chemical and biological warfare training by Saddam’s regime in February 2004—an important retreat on pre-Iraq war intelligence that has never been publicly acknowledged by the White House.
The withdrawal also was not mentioned in last year’s public report by the presidential inquiry commission headed by Judge Laurence Silberman and former Sen. Charles Robb which reviewed alleged Iraq intelligence failures.
(snip)
In addition to the new issues the latest al-Libi disclosure raises about the handling of pre-war Iraq intelligence, it also raises questions about the reliability of information gleaned from high-value Al Qaeda detainees who have been incarcerated in secret CIA facilities or “rendered” to foreign countries where they are believed to have been subjected to harsh and even brutal interrogation techniques.
What is known is that starting in the fall of 2002, al-Libi’s statements to his interrogators became the principal basis for a series of alarming Bush administration assertions about training that Saddam’s regime purportedly provided to Al Qaeda terrorists in the use of chemical and biological weapons.
(snip)
President Bush first referred to the claims in his Oct. 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati where he strongly emphasized Saddam’s ties to international terror groups in general and Al Qaeda in particular. “We’ve learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases,” Bush said. (Ironically, this is the same speech that the White House, at the CIA’s request, deleted references to Iraqi attempts to purchase uranium “yellowcake” from Africa because of questions about the reliability of the information.)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10956.htm
Amunaka- blah, blah, blah- THE FACT remains that Saddam gassed about 200,000 Kurds - considering that, are you going to trust him or his buddies when he says '"Oh no, not me...I wouldn't do THAT. "
Know what? : ALL the guys on death row are innocent too- ask them- they'll tell you....
PLEASE - PLEASE - if you are a Catholic, go to the Fox News Site re the story in the Arianna Huffington Post Newspaper. You will not find it on MSNBC. Thanks
To..shawneegal""""
""In his so-called satire published Friday, Doyle, """
and your point
shawneegal I get it...........you think it is really important but let's stay on topic.
All you people saying "Did he really do it?" are what's wrong with this country, your all a bunch of over sensitized idiots, Poor Al Queda helper? LOL.
I thought it was: "Former US president pleads guilty to Guantanamo murder..."
no chance for trying Bush and Cheney for war crimes...
Max..no, they are too worried that they would end up with idiots like you and Moose 8684 on the jury.
Yes Bob, it is only a crime when others do it. Bush and Cheney killed more innocent Iraqi civilians than Saddam.
Max...I'm sure you discount those drone attacks your Messsiah is using. Bottom line, tough sh!t, if the civilian population houses terriorist, they are going to be part of the casualties. We would still be fighting WWII if we had followed the rules we are bound by now. Don't you think the terriorist have figured out if they congretate with the civilian population that they are safe?
Max^108
Using your logic,Obama killed more Afghans than Bush.. Do I have that right? Perhaps we should try him...What do you say?
Both of you forgot how many innocent Iraqi civilians were killed during the 'shock and awe' campaign. It had nothing to do with terrorism. It was an illegal war of aggression from day 1.
As to the Messiah allusion... LOL! Dude... you are so brainwashed!
Screw all of the religious nutbags, regardless of their faith.
Is there a war of passiveness?
war of aggression..
Max believes in fighting wars with lightsticks and wooden swords...
No, I believe in defensive wars. You know - defending your country when someone attacks you, not the other way round.
To..Bob"""
"""your Messiah""""
What's with the cons ..they have to frame every issue in biblical terms ..is that the only way they can approach or understand a subject..?
Amunakana...You are right that is a Christian term...for Obama I should have said "Ayatollah". My bad
Greg - I'm no fan of Obama. He is a stooge to military industrial complex, just like that chipmunk Bush Jr. was. Vote for Ron Paul!
To..Bob...""""
See there ya go...
Boy, isn't it kind and generous of Americans to invite these folks to live in our country.
The depth of their gratitude is always surprising.
I am curious if he has any finger nails left? Undoubtedly he probably has enough needle tracks to qualify him for rehab.
If I tickle my girlfriend long enough I can get her to shout "You are the man!"
If you have nine years of torture and pain, I wonder if the things you say are the truth or what they want to hear so the pain will stop? I am reminded of the Salem Witch trials and the unspeakable acts that were perpetrated by men on women to get them to "confess". I think most Christian Conservatives will agree that every one of those women were witches with magical powers.
Or the Torture that was endured by American servicemen in Vietnam to get them in front of a camera to "confess". I am sure conservative Christians will all agree that after months and years of that kind of torture, every one of those men came to honestly see the light and realized that the imperialist American aggressors were an abomination on the earth especially to the peace loving Vietcong.
I find it fascinating that if you believe in religion how it opens up doors to other more interesting beliefs.
Benet ... good post! .....
I think you could be partially right, after 9 years of tortures
you will said anything to make it stop, BUT aren’t you assuming the terrorist
was tortured, John McCain was tortured until he was left a cripple and NEVER
went against his country and believes, if this terrorist was willing to blow
himself up, may be he has the balls, to do what McCain did stick to the truth,
and he is simply cleaning his soul if he has one. The only fact you and I know
is that he came in front of a judge and instead of saying I’m being torture and
I need you to make stop, he confessed. A bullet in the back of the head is all these
animals deserve. My son just completed a nine month deployment so you could
have the freedom to write here freely and worry free, If you were a liberal
homosexual here it will make no difference, in the kind of society they want to
create you will be kill, my point is we need to do what is necessary to keep
our way of life and stop all this nonsense.
We would expect that response from "moonbeamracer".
@Bob-1136191 Bob you are a tool.
@Luis-1797833 I do not want to trivialize or underestimate the value of torture as a means of getting information to save lives. It is a serious consideration at the best of times. I was simply drawing attention to the fact that after 9 years the reliability of information is scientifically questionable to the point of being seriously flawed at best. If you would like to understand what I mean please read about the various torture techniques and their value expectations A Treatise on Torture (<- link).
As the actual science of torture is better understood, professionals in the domain are realizing the very specific and limited value of torture. It has value, but that value needs to be understood in a crisp fashion and not given to amatures or those whose agenda's are more about revenge than truth extraction.
Benet, I'm sure all the detainees are innocent and should be given food stamps and a home right next store to you. You can work on your gardens together help mix fertilizer use moving trucks to take it to other unjustly held terrorist, store it in high rise buildings, start carpet cleaning business Get together with Sheik He Bin Binden Over
@Wlee-950886 like most of your ilk, you simply do not read. However, after hearing your leaders describe those who wish for an education to be "snobs", I think I understand you better.
If you read the link I added,you will see that there is an actual category and science to torture. Recency is a real factor in the ratio of truth. Now I understand Baby Jesus had not weighed in and these are only scientists who use actual learning as opposed to "faith". Still I would recommend you get a liberal friend to read it to you and perhaps help you with the big words. It might make sense to you in the end. And you might get my actual point, instead of the one your snarky comment seemed to point to.
it is getting harder and harder to know the truth. sadly, i have to go read wikileaks to get any sense of reality. never thought the barackster would be more secretive than W
Look closely at Bush squint your eyes till they darken and voila Obama
Hmmm...
No charges for destroying CIA interrogation videos
By Pete Yost
Associated Press / November 9, 2010
WASHINGTON—A special prosecutor cleared the CIA's former top clandestine officer and others Tuesday of any charges for destroying agency videotapes showing waterboarding of terror suspects, but he continued to investigate whether the harsh questioning went beyond legal boundaries.
The decision not to prosecute anyone in the videotape destruction came five years to the day after the CIA destroyed its cache of 92 videos of two al-Qaida operatives, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Nashiri, being subjected to waterboarding, which evokes the sensation of drowning. The deadline for prosecuting someone under most federal laws is five years.
The part of the nearly 3-year-old criminal investigation that examines whether U.S. interrogators went beyond the legal guidance given them on the rough treatment of suspects will continue, a Justice Department official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that part of the probe is still under way.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/11/09/no_charges_for_destroying_cia_interrogation_videos/
Amunaka, no terrorist act on US no water boarding. Have you ever surfed or body surfed, if you have you've been water boarded.
@wlee-950886 Really? No...Really?!?!
You are a tool.
Torture works, it always has.
So we could torture you or your family into admitting that you were the mastermind behind 9/11, and then have you disappeared for the confession. And you wouldn't have a single thing to complain about. You either believe in the protections in our Constitution or you don't. One makes you a good American, the other makes you a bad American. That part of US is going to get fixed, in Obama's second term.
Actually evidence does not support that claim. In fact more often than not it yields information that is what they think that the torturer wants to hear and nothing real.
Seriously only the CIA believes in that crap and its considered a war crime. Our military has gone on record that they do NOT advocate the use of torture.
I do not want to trivialize or underestimate the value of torture as a means of getting information to save lives. It is a serious consideration at the best of times.
However, If you would like to understand about the various torture techniques and their value expectations A Treatise on Torture (<- link).
As the actual science of torture is better understood, professionals in the domain are realizing the very specific and limited value of torture. It has value, but that value needs to be understood in a crisp fashion and not given to amatures or those whose agenda's are more about revenge than truth extraction.
Fighter Pilots go through that training all the time. Paul who are you to say who is or isn't a Good American. Are you a Good American if you want the Govt. to quit spending us into oblivion, or are you a Good American if you over spend your credit card
Benet..I am reminded of all of the suicide bombings and the repatriations of prisoners from Guantanamo who go right back to the fold of the groups they follow to continue killing. It's people like you who should move to Vietnam so you aren't surrounded by all of us Imperialist! Hey can you get your head a little closer to the camera next time?
Nonsense. Look at how many people are here in prisons for longer times and still insist they are innocent and some have been proven they really are. You don't forget evil things you have done.
Maybe all of you calling for his head, and ranting about Liberals, should ask Sen McCain what he thinks. A man who went through terrible torture. A man that stood up to his party, about water boarding being torture. Maybe this kid is guilty, but 9 years. Come on people, we are suppose to be better than the terrorist's, not act like them! Defend the USA to the death, and in the next breath, disrespect our President. Who divided this country? It started the day after President Obama was elected.
Hummbird..9 years is nothing if you decide to strap on a suicide belt. We are better than the terriorists, we didn't just cut off his head as soon as we caught him. And to respect someone, he has to do something to earn our respect...and we are still waiting for him to do more than provide a boost to the Hawaiian economy every year with his vacations.
Wow, listening to any conservative talk is like listening to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Talking points of mindless drivel that makes absolutely no sense if you actually think about it.
Jan, better than a talking head for Michael Moore like you...how about we invite this guy and the Guantanamo detainees to live at your place for awhile (ammuming you have a double wide). We will even pay their unemployment benefits so you will have more food stamps and not be out of any money. Just be careful not to leave your computer unlocked as you will be getting a visit from the CIA....
hummer, and who continues to separate us by class.
America, like all countries, has a spotless record of imprisoning and torturing only the truly guilty /sarcasm/
While I believe the US intent is generally pure, the practitioners' judgement cannot be trusted and invariably mistakes are made. If we ever allow US citizens to be tried in tribunals rather than open court, the Contitution has been voided.
Looks more like Nixon's DEA, created to go after his 'War Protestors' who got the same treatment that OWS Protestors are getting today. UnPatriotic Act, Global US Authority over US Citizens and NDAA are far to reminicent of Hitler's Domestic Acts passed prior to releasing his global killing machine. This does not bode will for the US in the eyes of the rest of the world because this is a strike at the very heart of our democracy. We will ALL be affected by this because we are watching a crime and turning away from it and/or making excuses for it. Activists are now making up about 50% of the 'SECRET' No Fly List. Democracy is based on a transparent government and we do not have that, transparency is purchased and manipulated by the 1% and that is a Pluocracy and that is what the USA has become. We need to protest this at the same level as SOPA and PIPA because this is far more dangerous and future generations certainly deserve to live under a complete and intact constitution the way we have. This started in 2001 and it needs to END in 2012.
Yep, that's what happened at the Gulag as well. Any commentor on this site would be saying whatever they wanted after nine years at gitmo. Worst thing is, it's now a possibility for ALL of us thanks to the treasonous NDAA Act, created by ALEC and passed by the soon to be infamous 'DC 93 Senators.' Beginning January of 2012, you are no longer protected by the Fourth Amendment and might as well be living in Dumb*uckistan.
Thank you former President Bush. Thanks for nothing clown president obama.
b from e , it was bush and the republicans who got us in all this mess in the first place. Obama is still trying to fix the mess bush and his thugs made, but it is going to take a long time to do it because republicans are still trying to run this country and trying to drive us and the rest of the country into the ground !!!
Waterboard Obama with a dirty dishrag.
obviously you are sympathetic to the terrorist because you continue to defend them !
Wouldn't it be great if every suicide bomber had to go out into a field and practice once with a live vest.