Constantly bombarding the public with stories of sex crimes against juveniles, the media has created a mass hysteria over pedophile. Stirred into a frenzy by sensational headlines, the proletariates react with fury and dark-alley justice even when there is just a slightest innuendo or allegation of pedophile. Due Process and innocent-until-proven guilty are forgotten legal standards. Anyone in possession of pictures, a statute or computer generated graphics of naked children are automatically guilty of pedophile. Such is the state of hysteria and the abridgement of the 1st Amendment.

The fact is that sex crimes against adults, rape and other violent crimes, are more prevalent and just as hideous. As the public has gotten callous and insensitive over these "common crimes," the opportunistic media has resorted to pedophile to sell more news.

With out a doubt, the media has played a major part in this attitude. Fact is, today isn't news any more, it is opinion and propaganda!

Nah, pervs have always been around, and so has vigilante justice! The difference is we now ALSO have 24/7 media, reporting everything!

Now mom and son will learn what due process means.

Something is quite fishy about this story. A 57 year old elderly is no match for a 15 year old boy and an angry mother of 37. Premeditated sounds more like it.

Willamina Stewart and Paul Noble, then 15, attacked Gordon Morrice, 57, at a park in Aberdeen, Scotland, after he asked if he could jump on her trampoline with her children. They repeatedly punched him, stamped on his head and thrashed him with a bicycle.

Premeditated sounds more like it.

Stewart, a 37-year-old mother of three, also was accused of having shown Morrice malice before the attack on account of rumors that he was a pedophile.

Being a pedophile is a crime....being homosexual, transgender, or a cross dresser is not. And they should never be grouped together.

Chouse - open your mind for just a minute. My mother has naked pictures of me, in the bathtub, running around in the backyard when I was a baby. Does that make her a pedophile or is she just "justifying it"?

Being a pedophile is a crime....being homosexual, transgender, or a cross dresser is not. And they should never be grouped together.

Being a pedophile is not a crime, just as being a schizophrenic is not a crime.

Child molesting is a crime.

@Chouse-- Holy crap! Way to take 1 sentence from a comment and blow it way out of proportion, making the commenter look like a pervert himself. Aside from the fact that you're the one who drug in several graphic references to child pornography-driven masturbation that weren't really necessary-- pay no attention to that, I suppose. You sound like the crazy people in the article who attacked someone on an assumption. How long before YOU are attacking people in real life? Dial it down a notch, dude.

There was obviously something very wrong with this woman and her family.

Homosexual, transgender, cross dresser, pedophile, kill them all, right? I mean, they are all twisted right?

Or we could put the pedophile in jail for life, leave the rest alone as long as they don't hurt anybody.

Defending pedophiles by likening them to everyne who is 'twisted' is a pretty feeble, and unworthy, defense.

That said, beating people to death for unproven suspicions is wrong. Involving a 15-year old is horrible.

Why couldn't it have been Jerry Sandusky??

Funny. Fatcat makes an intelligent, thoughtful comment... and he gets accused of being a NAMBLA member. Fatcat, you forgot to mention the "Might Makes Right", and "If You're Not With Us, You're One Of Them" movements that disgust me about human nature so much. They either want you as crazy as them, or they'll justify their "justice" against you by throwing you under the Bus as well. Quite frankly, I hate the self-righteousness of human beings. Animals attack to defend their territory, and to eat. Humans attacks because you're wearing Blue instead of Red, or because you don't agree with their opinion.

Even then, they don't realize how serious, and life destroying, such allegations are. They'll throw those magic 9 letters around with fury, no matter who gets hurt, mislabeled, or has their life ruined. Afterall, might makes right, and this IS Rome, isn't it? So hey, feed anyone who doesn't agree with us to the Lions. God will sort them out, and no matter what, we'll be right. Haha... seriously humanity. You are a zit on the face of the Planet. Only acne doesn't have flaming swords they use to hack down anything that suddenly strikes up their precious wittle rage...

As for the Mother and Son? They should be in jail, yet apparently for false allegations, you can get away with killing someone scott free. This entire article disgusts me...

@chouse:

Child pornography laws were enacted to prevent sexual exploitation and abuse of children.

If a picture was produced without abuse and without intent to distribute it as porn, it's not CP. If it's a photoshop, it's not CP. It might be misuse of a copyrighted source.

What anyone is doing in privacy is protected by privacy laws. If he's beating off to some sicko anime, it can't be criminalized. As long as there is no actual abuse of a minor.

@chouse

FatCat are you some sicko NAMBLA member or something?

Way to massively over react and go on the attack there buddy. I didn't get the sense he was advocating anything. However I do have the feeling from your rant, that you have some serious hidden issues you need to get sorted out before you hurt yourself or someone else.

FatCat, I agree about the media-fed hysteria about every issue in our society today, but you talk about the Constitution in regards to this story. The incident occured in Scotland, so there was no abridgement of any American rights, although there certainly are such things happening here. chouse, I think you missed the point, and in my opinion, many of your references were tasteless and the name calling was out of line. Guilty conscience, perhaps?

If they or one of their children had been a victim of his - then you could possibly understand it - though it would still be a crime.

But just based on a rumor?

You have got to be kidding. I cannot believe the kid is still in school instead of in custody. They committed murder!

Most of the schools around here would not let a kid charged with murder attend classes. I can only hope he is in some sort of alternative school, and not just the same regular school he was previously in.

We can all hate pedophiles - I'm with you on that - but killing someone on a rumor?

What is to stop them from killing someone else on a rumor?

I would think 25 actual years for the mom and 10 actual years for the kid would be a minimum reasonable punishment. (Note to any one on a jury: in the US you have to sentence someone to 50 years so they will serve 25 - don't listen to any nonesense a judge says about not having to take into account early release - that's just jury tampering - you are the jury, the Constitution puts YOU and not the Judge in charge of the decision. If the state is going to violate your decision by reducing the sentence, you have no obligation to obey a state that violates the Constitution by overruling a jury).

Woops.

Hatred of pedophiles is what led to an innocent man's death. Hatred in any form is wrong.

I don't think it's wrong to hate pedophiles.

People who want to hurt children are the lowest form of scum and deserve to be tortured and healed and tortured over and over again until they are dead. Pedophiles make me hope that there really is a hell. And if I end up in hell the only joy I expect to have will be watching them roast.

Hatred is not always wrong. I hate those that rape and murder young children and anyone who supports them. There is something wrong with you if you don't.

I dunno.. what's worse?

I pic of a naked baby taken in natural settings, being a baby? My mom's got a few butt pics of me growing up.. they still exist to my embarassment. Watching a funny video of a dad changing a diaper and getting sprayed in the face with urine? Heck, what about the lady who does all the baby pictures making them look like bubblebees or some other thing, and at times their in a field of flowers, naked.

Or..

Where moms will dress their little girls up like the hooker on Pretty Woman, gallons of make-up on, etc, etc. ?

I'm just so not a black and white kind of person.. so I would hesitate to go half cocked making opinions on things with absolutely no context.

Here's the moral of the story. Stay away from other people's children. If you don't know my family and are not my son's teacher you have no buisness talking to, looking at, touching or playing with my child.

I guess you never heard "it takes a village to raise a child". Let's hope your kid never gets lost or is in any kind of trouble and has to rely on a stranger for help. From your list of "don't s" you may as well keep your kid(s) locked in their rooms until they're 18.

Defending pedophiles by likening them to everyne who is 'twisted' is a pretty feeble, and unworthy, defense.

Grouping homosexuals, transgendered, or a cross dresser with pedophiles is pretty unworthy, too.

And if I thought someone was trying to hurt my kid I absolutely would beat the bastard bloody.

..... you can't be serious. If everyone jumped to conclusions when they think something, there would be much death and distrust being passed around in society. It would be a vicious cycle as one event would fuel the preception that leads to the next.

Since when did society make these two people Judge, Jury and Executioner? How awful

When bicycles are outlawed, only criminals will have bikes. Or something like that.

I agree this is awful & I agree w/ most of what fat cat posted but just because a man doesn't have a record doesn't mean he is innocent. People are getting little paranoid due to media/TV hype and this family definitely over reacted but a 57 yr old asking to get on a trampoline w/ children is a little weird and parents do need to be careful. But this was not cause for assault. Depending on the guys demeanor, I might report it. BTW fat cat, we don't know if sexual assault on children are truly less common because a.) most go unreported & b.) for it to be against a child you have a much smaller window (say 5yr olds - 16yr olds). Anything over 17yrs of age is against an adult and there are a lot adults over 28y who get raped.

Quite a few comments on here suggest that the victim MAY have been a pedophile, that just because his record was clean doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. Wether you call it paranoid, jumping to conclusions, or what have you, making such an unwarranted judgement on the victim makes you as guilty of a lack of judgement as the perpetrators.

Hopefully, these four will have a long time...like the rest of their lives, IN PRISON, to regret their actions. What kind of woman would attack and beat a person, in front of her minor children? What kind of woman would allow/encourage her (then) minor son to participate in the beating? Hopefully, her other children will be raised by someone with some SENSE, while their Mum is in prison.

No one should ever look at or talk to a child unless they're the kid's parent or teacher? That is hands down the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever heard. As Louis CK put it, not everybody wants to f*ck your stupid kid. Get a grip.

"Chouse - open your mind for just a minute. My mother has naked pictures of me, in the bathtub, running around in the backyard when I was a baby. Does that make her a pedophile or is she just "justifying it"?"

You clearly didn't read my post before you banged on the reply button - indeed I specifically stated that those are about the only legitimate pictures of naked kids. Pictures of your own infants - however if you have a naked picture of any child older than an infant it is indeed suspect.

All those sticking up for FatCat clearly didn't read the very clear implication in their words. Go back and reread it.

He said: "Anyone in possession of pictures, a statute or computer generated graphics of naked children are automatically guilty of pedophile"

So, he claims that computer generated graphics of naked children are somehow NOT sick and wrong, and you jump on me??? I laugh at you for not bothering to read what he said. Although that doesn't mean that he's actually molested children, it clearly implies that he doesn't think that's wrong - and the only people I'm aware of that think crap like that are not sick and wrong are themselves sick and wrong - NAMBLA members for instance.

Open your eyes people... what you all did was support somebody who clearly thinks that kiddie porn is somehow OK - it doesn't need to be an actual image of a kid to be sick and wrong - why else would you EVER have any need or desire to have a simulated nude of a kid?

Seriously... waiting for even ONE valid use - and I know that nobody will have any, as they spazzed at my post without reading FatCat's post first. Good job being sheep!

What about medical journals? What about doctors and hospitals? What about lawyers needing the photos for an abuse case? What about students, journalists or researchers writing papers and articles on the subject? Or, dare I say it, what about some forms of art? I'm sure you'll find a reason for every single one of those that can be wrong, though. So good job being a terrified, suspicious person who thinks everyone not thinking exactly along your lines of thought should be persecuted. I'll keep my due process, thanks.

"What about medical journals? What about doctors and hospitals? What about lawyers needing the photos for an abuse case? What about students, journalists or researchers writing papers and articles on the subject?"

You're mistaking a discussion about somebody with a collection of files on their PC and a professional - that's not what was being discussed at all. And medical journals have diagrams - not erotica - big difference. FatCat was clearly talking about none of the above, all in the guise of "First Amendment".

Look up the First Amendment and realize that it is NOT absolute - there are many things that are not allowed; and many things that for now are gray areas, but that serve no legitimate purpose.

If you threaten the POTUS you can claim First Amendment rights all day long, but that won't change the fact that you're going to jail for a long long time.

"Or, dare I say it, what about some forms of art?"

Sorry, no good. Abuse is not art - and simulated forms of abuse just lead to the real thing for those sickos out there. Read up on these disturbed people before you stick up for them please.

We have far too many sick individuals in our society to have any need for art form including naked children - that's too far down the slippery slope. Were there no sickos who would use it for their own erotic desires, then it really should be OK - but as long as there's at least one pedophile out there who can convince a mob like you that they have rights to pleasure themselves to kiddie porn (as he DID) it's obvious that it will be abused.

I really don't like the concept of banning anything - but considering how often sex crimes happen, and how badly child predation can ruin their lives - some things do need to be banned - and simulated nudes of little kids fall into that category, and of course the real thing as well. Nobody has a free speech right to pleasure themselves to images of illegal underage children.

Why you'd even suggest that diagrams in medical journals or court evidence fit into the same category doesn't make any sense; we're talking about somebody's personal image collection here, not a legitimate use like those. Don't confuse the issue.

I was shocked this happened in the UK and not the US. Of course, an American would have just shot him.

@sam,

Correct!

Take a look at the next war about to take place against Iran lonerb. Same thing on a bigger scale.

Cases of mistaken identity and incorrectly believing someone to be guilty of a crime are risks that are endemic to many, if not most, revenge plots.

This is precisely why trials by a jury of one's peers came into use. It's just too easy for an individual or a group people (like a lynch mob) to jump to conclusions about someone who appeared to be in a position that just looks bad. Even juries don't always get it right all the time.

Anyone who likes to think with the 'off with their head!' mentality every time some kind of alleged criminal is identified really needs to learn to stop and think how they'd feel if they were found in the wrong place at the wrong time or possibly even framed for a crime they didn't commit. I'm sure they wouldn't be quite so fanatical about 'swift justice' when it's their own keister in the hot seat. This should apply doubly for all those who keep saying that the police ought to just shoot various offenders and save everyone the expense of the trial. That paradigm would have one person being the judge, jury, and executioner...when in reality, a law enforcement officer is none of those.

@ sam-- guns are not as prevalent in Scotland as in the U.S.

This story is kinda vague...why did they suspect this man of being a pedophile? Maybe they had a reason for thinking that, and then when he asked to jump with the kids it "cemented" that suspicion in their minds? I dunno. But, I have to say, if a grown man asked to jump on the trampoline with my kids, I'd take issue with that request. I'd probably say some nasty things to him, question his judgement, and would probably think he's a creep with way too much interest in playing with children. I would gather up my kids and exit. I might even call the police just to let them know. Face it, that's a strange request. What I wouldn't do is recruit my 190 pound, 6'2" son (who is also 15), to beat the guy to death.

Tramp-o-lines their not for pedophiles. Aren't they the busses which transport the Kardashian girls ?

Apparently, there were rumors about the man. And a 57 year old man, asking to jump on a trampoline with kids, does sound suspect.

I'm not condoning killing anyone, just saying....

What ever happened to the Golden Rule - you know: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The mom was right there and he asked for her permission. It probably looked like fun and he wanted to try it out. Did it occur to her to just say no? If she thought he was behaving suspiciously, she should have called the police and had them check him out. Instead, she chose to beat him to death because she didn't like his looks.

And a 57 year old man, asking to jump on a trampoline with kids, does sound suspect.

I'm 57 and would love to play on a trampoline for awhile with some kids. Does that make me a pedophile?

Of course, I'm a woman. Does the fact I have a vagina instead of a penis make all the difference? Will it save my life if I'm silly enough to want to play with some kids for awhile?

Does the fact that the man first carefully asked permission of the mother who was present at the scene imply that in fact, he was NOT a pedophile?

I think this woman and her sick kid just used this as an excuse to indulge in violence.

Or perhaps he may have been in early stages of dementia or "mentally challenged" to a degree that he still appreciated silly things like jumping on a trampoline and couldn't make the distinction that doing something out of some arbitrary adult norm is reason to be reviled and attacked.

If all of these folks in the neighborhood thought he was a perv why didn't they inform the police when he first appeared suspicious?

Of course, I'm a woman. Does the fact I have a vagina instead of a penis make all the difference? Will it save my life if I'm silly enough to want to play with some kids for awhile?

As a matter of fact...yes. Statistics on pedophiles (http://www.cpiu.us/statistics-2/) states "

All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male."

So yes, I would allow myself to think along those lines and I would be right 97% of the time.

who says this man even asked to jump on the trampoline?....the people who murdered him

I'd have to hear a recording of this old man asking her this question to believe that bunch of crazies!

@carolanne1,

Actually I love jumping on the trampoline with my kids (although they are grown now) BUT, if you read the links on the article, it "appears", there were rumors going around the community, that the man was a pervert. It also "appears", that the incident didn't occur spur of the moment (as in when he asked to jump with the kids) It sounds like they "thought he was a child molester" and decided to teach him a lesson.

I am NOT condoning vigilante justice, just trying to point out where their heads may have been.

UU, I'm glad you're not in charge of vital statistics of any type, or are you? You are assuming that every person wanting to play on the trampoline is a pedophile that 97% of the time you would be correct. Hopefully pedophiles make up a much smaller percentage of the population than that! Placing that aside I feel very sorry for that family. They'd have been much better off allowing the judicial system to judge the man. This is something that they will have to live with and it's a very big something.

If you were, Carol, and you had done wrong with a child, not having a penis would improve your chances of not going to jail for it by an astounding margin. I do not understand why. One other thing, everyone who twists this into political propaganda post is doing so because they are admitting that they have taken many children and ritualistically sacrificed them at the feet of an statue of their worshiped candidate at said candidates comand. If you watch the documentary called Inside Job, about the cause of the ongoing financial crises and who is behind it, you'll understand that our high ranking politicians by a large majority are nothing but thieves. There will never be a large investigation and prosicution of the people behind it, because the ones who are responsible for starting such investigations were raking in large chunks of the TRILLIONS of pilfered dollars. Now, you may wonder why I went on a tangent myself. How does this tie to this story? Well, I fear that the sicko's running this country are going to continue to "LEGALLY" rape us financially until vigilanty justice is doled out on the super rich and powerfull to put a stop to it. A couple of months ago I would have looked at something like this as just another conspiracy freak rambling on. Have a look at this video, I believe it to be narrated by Matt Damon. What they're doing to this great country of ours to satisfy their unquenchable greed is bad enough, but when you realize they have been making laws to prevent the making of laws to prevent their thievery, and all that has been done to hide it.......It is sooooo sad. We are part of the cause. We allowed these souless mentally ill beings to get control of our great land. The extent of their greed is without a doubt insanity. The good people of our nation have been quiet far too long. We have to take it back from them. If we don't, our children will have much worse lives than we have. I don't want to fail them like that. Another thing about these types of articals. This kind of anger generating artical is rubbed in our faces by design. It helps turn the publics attention away from the criminals/bankers/politicians that are not being prosecuted or even investigated. These "upper crust" citizens haven't even tried to give an anonomous penny back. Not one red cent. Sorry about rambling on, but I can't stand that we have failed our children and grand childeren and so on.

Jo-An, it seems as if you are actually trying to justify their actions based on what you see as extenuating circumstances, which is only one very small step from condoning it. Trying to "point out where their heads may have been"? As if that makes it ok? They murdered a man based on rumor and innuendo and somehow that is supposed to make it better? I don't care where their "heads may have been" -- it does not excuse what they did. There are proper ways to deal with things in our society and beating a man into a very slow (9 months!) and undeniably painful death based on what rumors suggest he might be is never acceptable. The fact that this woman involved her teenage son only makes it worse. Remember, those who murdered the so-called witches in Salem had plenty of rumors and innuendo to go off of, too. Was that any less heinous because of where their "heads may have been"?

@saddened,

I'm pointing out the absurdity of any of us "judging" any of these people, the dead, and the accused killers, knowing only the facts as presented in a short article we all just read!

Non of us knows the TRUTH!

Jim, you are very funny.

This is why vigillante justice was outlawed.

Here is what we know. They killed a man for nothing more than hate. Premeditated! A pack of cigaretts and the death penality for both, and swiftly.

Placing that aside I feel very sorry for that family. They'd have been much better off allowing the judicial system to judge the man.

You feel sorry for a family that considered it OK to bludgeon a man to death as a group activity? Priceless...

They only -thought- was a pedophile? They had no proof at all and killed the guy? Wow. Talk about paranoia to the extreme.

Hey, better to be safe... /sarc/

When I was young there was this guy that all of my friends and I thought was a pervert, but as I got older and wiser I realized that he was just mentally ill. He had the emotional maturity and intelect of a 7yr old. Im sure that there are still rumors going around about this poor man. @ Jo-Ann - Are you f*cking serious? Its absurd for us to be judging anyone, even the killers? We might not know the whole truth, but what we do know is this. At the time of the attack this man had not previously harmed any of her children and did not pose a threat to any of the children there. This much is clear from the article. He was beat to death by a women, two men, and a boy. They stomped on his head and beat him with a bike while he was on the ground. These facts alone give me the right to judge everyone of those sick sadistic bastards for the pieces of sh*t that they are, and your comment gives me the right to judge you as their equal.

Someone above posted that they felt bad for the family?!?! Seriously, you feel bad for a MOTHER who got her SON to help her beat a man to death because of some "rumors" that they heard about him?? The family you should be feeling sorry for is the family of the victim. Where is your head at? Do you somehow think this was okay for them to do such a thing just going off of assumptions?? If they thought he was a pedophile the right thing for them to do would have been to call the police & let them know of their "suspicions." At his age for all they knew he could've had dementia & thought it was okay to ask, or maybe its possible he was somewhat mentally disabled, I mean at least he asked permission & the mother was there supervising anyway. Which makes me wonder about their story, he asked permission & the mother was supervising, it didnt mention the other 3 being right there with her so did she start beating him then call the others out? or was it premeditated? idk maybe it did mention that & I just don't recall it saying so.......

The tramp-o-line story sounds made up after the murder.

LOL, YOU should!

It says they pleaded guilty "to killing a man".

Well yeah, but the article's been updated since I posted that.

This is what's wrong with "vigilante justice." Those two words don't go together.

Okay, I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, but how do you define vigilante justice done right? Like Batman?

Ideally, they'd never have to. Once I find Planet Ideal, I'll send you spaceship tickets.

Please do. :)

This whole line of postings gave me my morning chuckle....thanks!

Zebramax-4406648:

Two examples, one real, one theoretical:

Pedophiles getting prison-raped.

Casey Anthony turning up with a hole in her head.

Shhhhhhh.... They are not supposed to know yet!!!!

You can just turn in your ring and your tie-tack; cause you are out of the shrine.

Really, Beethoven can't you read, article said trampoline was in a park, not in the family's backyard

in a park...and he alledgedly ASKED permission to use the trampoline...right in front of her eyes

sounds like they had to make up an excuse as to why they beat the guy so badly he later died

& the trampoline was the first thing that came into their sick minds !

@jwfun

since the article is so badly written it's hard to make out the real facts but I don't think the trampoline was in the park, that's just where they met up/tracked him there. the article states "after he asked if he could jump on her trampoline with her children"...it says her trampoline so I'm figuring it was hers and on her property, going by what it says.

I bet gossip has gotten alot of people killed.

How does it harm society if someone sits alone and looks at computer-generated pictures? The law that makes this illegal is part of a good old American witch hunt.

What happened to Guy Paul Morin is a normal thing in Texas. Actually, he's got it easy. Could have been on the death row in Texas.

Sounds a lot like the Salem witch hysteria.

I wonder if he even asked to jump on it with the kids, or if he asked about it and the kids just were there too.

Immediately it's thought that.. oh that's creepy.. and if he had gone up and said- hey, can I play with your kids on the trampoline, I would automatically be cautious. If it was real creepy, I'd decline. Sounds like there were a lot of people around and all.. if I was alone, I'd definitely have to say no.

But perhaps he's walking down the street and has never seen one in real life, never tried one. I haven't. Maybe he's real gregarious and outgoing and it was natural for him to talk to strangers. Maybe he's was like, I don't care who's here, I GOT TO TRY THAT THING OUT! I'm a grown woman.. but I can't say that when I'm walking past the park and I see swings.. I gotta swing sometimes. I'm not thinking about the kids beyond, I don't want to knock one over, gotta watch my language, let them have the swing if they want it.. and that I hope the chain don't break with my adult weight.

Of course, it will never be known because it was kill first and screw the questions.

Pedophile paranoia caused by the media.

Clearly never having been arrested doesn't mean he wasn't a pedophile and he may have gotten that reputation based on his behavior around kids.

Right. You never are seen to have a done a thing, but you might have when no one saw it, so at the least we should be suspicious of you if not murder you.

So Larry, based on your name, which has bad connotations for me, I think you are a thief. I'm going to file charges against you for stealing my electric scooter. And when my brother finds out, he's likely to beat you to death.

Sounds okay to you, right?

Yeah - and maybe he was a murderer, since just because he hadn't been arrested for murder doesn't mean he didn't kill somebody! And maybe he was also a drug dealer - just because he hadn't been arrested for selling drugs or have any illegal drugs on him doesn't mean he didn't do it! Hey, maybe he shot JFK!

UDunno:

JFK thing sounds solid. His name was not Harvey Lee Osvald, and we all know HLO did NOT shoot JFK.

Mistakenly believe??? You can't mistakenly believe!!! You either believe on purpose or you do not believe on purpose. Sounds like you mistakenly believe the guy was guilty too, and wants to excuse these murderers' actions???? No mistake here!!

Sorry, sounds like you ARE trying to condone the killing. There wouldn't even BE a headline if they had just said "No" and left it at that.

the mother was right there with her kid & participated in the beating !

did it ever occur to you that she fabricated his asking to jump on the trampoline?

any person capable of murder is capable of lying

IF something had happened to some kids, and the news reported that "the community had suspicions, that the man was a child molester" ALL these smug commenters would be saying "the mother should have SHOT the guy" AND "I'd put a bullet through the SOB's skull", and so on and so forth!

Who knows, maybe the mom and kids were just "killer's" waiting for some innocent person to "kill"! I don't know, and neither do any of you! AGAIN, I'm NOT condoning KILLING ore VIGILANTE JUSTICE.

I'm just pointing out the obvious!

It does sound kind of like you are condoning it.It's not that hard to say "No,old man that I do not know,you may not jump on the trampoline with my kids." Parents should be teaching their kids about stranger danger,kids should know that if "trampoline man" wants to jump that they should say no,and then notify and adult or something.I mean,you don't know what his intentions were.If people had suspicions that he was a pedophile,they should have notified authorities,not beat him to death.What if this man were your father,brother, or son? What would you say then?

Saraos,

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of a good many people that post here on the vine...

a different outcome and they'd be calling out a lynchmob to run the old man out of town...AND they would have been "blaming the mother" for NOT protecting her child, cause she "knew" even though it was all RUMOR!

Personally, i think a person is innocent until proven guilty, and this guy may just have been a big kid, getting a bad rap, with rumors spreading around the community.

Very sad, an innocent person may be dead, but WE will NEVER know!

@ Jo-An

"I'm not condoning killing anyone, just saying."

Stop "just saying".

In fact, just stop.

You can't condemn people for what you think they might do. Especially when they are strangers.

YES you are condoning these people killing of another human being. Of course, I guess you are mistakenly doing so?????

@Jo-An,

I don't know what 13 and 14 yr olds you know but the 13 & 14 yr olds I've seen would have told the guy to F-Off and get the F outta here. How does a 57 yr old guy 'contol' and lead 2 kids that age out of a park? I think you're just trying to condone the murder of this man based on the perps say so? Really?

a different outcome and they'd be calling out a lynchmob to run the old man out of town...

And if a frog had wings....

Your argument sounds like a lawyer grasping at straws for a client he knows is guilty.

Regretting your post Jo-an?

I'm not here to be part of the "lynch-mob" against you.. but.. ok, I am. You said- We will never know if they killed an innocent man. No, we know. Where are the investigations in to allegations of abuse he committed? He has a clean record. If there was something to go off, other than rumors, then maybe you'd have something to argue for.

It's not hypocrisy to say that if someone commits a crime then people would be outraged at the person who perpetrated the crime. And the only crime committed here was done by the woman and her friends, not the man.

If the story went as you say.. I would of course be mad that the person who committed the crime, but also wonder why the MOTHER, with her suspisions, didn't take it to the proper authorities. Not wonder why she didn't kill him becase she was suspicious.. cause we can already see what the outcome of that is, by this article.

Jo-Ann that's a different situation entirely. The victim is guilty of nothing more than perhaps bad judgement in asking to play on the trampoline with the kids. He ASKED..He didn't try to force his way onto it.

Regardless of the Rumor mill going around that town, it's obvious no one brought it to the attention of the police until after this man was murdered.

If I think you robbed my house last week does that give me a right to kill you? No evidence, no investigation. I just KNOW it was you.

Gossip has no beginning and serves no purpose but to spread lies and damage to others. This case proves it.

Sheesh, I NEVER condoned KILLING ANYONE!

AND, keep_it_cool, OF COURSE NOT, why would I regret my post?

Just because the police didn't have a record on the guy doesn't make him innocent!

The world is NOT Black OR White!

My WHOLE point is:

There are an awful lot of JUDGMENTAL Posters here.

It doesn't mean he was "guilty" either. If they really felt that strongly about their suspicions they should have let the police know & perhaps asked them to investigate. I'll admit IF this was a different story & the victim had kidnapped 2 children, then yes I would be all about having him punished. But that's not how this panned out, there is no point in trying to go with the "what-ifs". This woman got her son, & two grown men to help her beat a 57 year old man to death by stomping on his head & beating him with a bicycle, just based on rumors. It's not right in anyway shape or form, they had no proof whatsoever that would even be a little excusable. You keep saying "your not condoning them killing" but in a way you are because you are trying to make excuses. Even if you don't mean to make it seem that way it does. I feel that everyone has a right to judge these people based on what they did, because it was a horrible thing to do just because of things they had "heard". Would you have done the same thing just because you "heard" he was a pedophile?? or would you do what a normal person would do & report your suspicions to the proper authorities??

lol Yep Jo-Ann.. a lot of judgemental posts indeed... yours being some of the most judgemental of all. You're freaking picking on a dead man, a murder victim. A little hypocrital...

You just can't reason with the unreasonable. I'm not gonna go crazy trying, that's for sure.

they might if they have a mental disability that causes them to act like a young child. I'm not saying that that is why the victim asked, but it's a possibility. If they didn't then, yes it's kind of creepy. unless i suppose they just never been on a trampoline =/ lol.

of course, everyone is guilty until they are proven innocent nowadays, right?

Susan, you're talking in circles. What is the point of your statment? That sounds so guilty until proven innocent. Some perpetrators may slip through the cracks until they're in their fifties, but almost all will have had warning sign, such as unproven accusations or prior investigations. If there is NOTHING there, your statement sounds like a world I wouldn't want to live in.

My goodness,Susan, do you have a record? No? Still doesn't mean you didn't break into some houses, you know the police often have those cases where they've come to a dead end, no solid evidence to link them to a suspect, & they ask the public for any information that might help them solve the case. Hmm. Maybe someone should call the cops, you look like the suspicious type of character that might do that.

Heh, Heh. "Enlightened Society" what a joke.