Religious, political hard-liners face off in Iran election

Painful memories of the last election have led to voter indifference in Iran. To some Iranians, the elections will make little difference to their expectations. NBC News' Ali Arouzi reports from Tehran.

Updated at 8:21 a.m. ET: TEHRAN -- Iranians voted on Friday in a parliamentary election which is expected to reinforce the power of the clerical establishment of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei over hard-line political rivals led by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The election is unlikely to have much impact on Iran's foreign policies - the country's disputed nuclear program and international relations are already strictly controlled by Khamenei.


But it could allow the clergy to strengthen its hand in determining the political backdrop ahead of a presidential election due in 2013.

'Negative propaganda'
With Iran facing growing international isolation, Western sanctions over its nuclear program and a threat of attack by Israel, Iranian leaders have been calling for a high turnout to bolster their legitimacy.

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"There is a lot of negative propaganda against our nation ... The arrogant powers are bullying us to maintain their prestige. A high turnout will be better for our nation ... and for preserving security," said Khamenei after casting his vote.

Ayatollah Khamenei's Website / EPA

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei casts his vote in Tehran, Iran, on Friday.

"Whenever there has been more enmity towards Iran, the importance of the elections has been greater."

The election will be the first since the country's disputed presidential election in 2009, when opposition and pro-democracy protests were quelled by security forces.

NBC News' Ali Arouzi reported that there has been no signs of "election fever" in Iran, with advertisements dominating billboards over campaign posters.

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This time round, leading reformist groups have said they will stay away from voting, setting the stage for a straight contest between backers of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad.

A low turnout, however, could nonetheless highlight the extent to which disappointment still exists among Iranian voters over the outcome of the 2009 presidential election.

At schools, in shops, and on the streets of big cities and small towns, daily life plays out in Iran.

While voting stations in affluent northern Tehran were quiet, people lined up in central and downtown parts of the city to cast their votes.

"I am here to support my establishment against the enemies' plot by voting," said Mahboubeh Esmaili, 28, holding her baby outside the Hoseiniyeh Ershad polling center in central Tehran, where around 50 people were queuing up to vote.

"Votes in this election are a needle in the eyes of the enemy," another voter told NBC News.

PhotoBlog: Voters cast ballots across Iran

The two main groups that are competing for the 290-seat parliament are the United Front of Principlists, which includes Khamenei loyalists, and the Resistance Front that backs Ahmadinejad.

Cash handouts
Ahmadinejad, the son of a blacksmith, still enjoys the support of many in Iran's poorer communities, largely thanks to his humble image and regular cash handouts. But his popularity has been dented by the country's economic crisis.

Western sanctions aimed at forcing Iran to halt sensitive nuclear work have started to hurt energy and food imports. The West fears Iran is working on developing a nuclear bomb, but Tehran says the program is for electricity generation and other peaceful purposes.

Tehran increased production of higher-grade enriched uranium, heightening concerns that Iran may be developing a bomb. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

The price of staple goods has spiraled because of the falling value of the Iranian currency and fresh European Union and U.S. sanctions on Iran's financial and oil sectors.

Critics have accused Ahmadinejad of making things worse for ordinary Iranians, saying his decision to replace food and fuel subsidies with direct monthly payments since 2010 has fuelled inflation, officially running at around 21 percent.

Political rift
Khamenei will be looking to use the vote to reestablish his hold on power following a political rift between the two leaders when Ahmadinejad tried to supersede Khamenei in Iran's complex political hierarchy.

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Analysts have said Ahmadinejad and his allies have been trying to undermine the central role of the clergy in politics by emphasizing nationalist themes of Iranian history and culture in their speeches.

While Ahmadinejad himself cannot stand for a third term under Iran's constitution, some Iranian media reports said he backed Esfandiar Rahim-Mashaie, his chief of staff, as a candidate to succeed him in the 2013 presidential vote.

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The Supreme Leader's campaign got a boost when powerful establishment groups - including influential clerics, the elite Revolutionary Guards and powerful bazaar merchants - formed an alliance to back his loyalists.

The Guardian Council, made up of six clerics and six jurists who vet candidates, has approved 3,467 individuals out of more than 5,382 who initially applied to run in the poll.

Some politicians said that the hard-line council barred many established Ahmadinejad supporters, forcing him to pick younger political unknowns.

Khamenei, who initially endorsed Ahmadinejad's 2009 re-election, publicly distanced himself from the president in April by reinstating the sacked intelligence minister.

'Deviant current'
In the past months, dozens of Ahmadinejad allies have been detained or dismissed from their posts for being linked to a "deviant current" that his rivals say aims to sideline clerics. Ahmadinejad's media adviser has been sentenced to one year in jail for insulting Khamenei.

They're sleek, majestic and defensive. Thousands of women in Iran are taking serious steps to be lethal yet feminine. 

Reformists did not send in a list of candidates, saying the basic needs of a "free and fair" vote had not been fulfilled.

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Major pro-reform political parties have been banned and leading reformists have either been jailed or banned from political activities since the 2009 election, which the opposition says was rigged.

Opposition leaders Mirhossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi, defeated in the 2009 vote, have been under house arrest for more than a year.

NBC News' Ali Arouzi, Reuters and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.

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The elections are rigged. Most Iranians would rather have a peaceful life and without the troubles the leaders bring. The Ayatollah and that President of theirs are idiots that support Hezbollah.

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#1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:15 AM EST

Do you think they are as rigged as the elections here in the US? At least Iranians themselves get to vote - not delegates. In addition we have a non-working congress and we support the terrorist states - like Israel and give them billions a year while our own poor go to bed at night hungry. Now - before blasting what other nations are doing, lets look at our own countrys faults and try to fix them - not just down some country so we can have another war and fill the denfense contractors coffers.

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#1.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:18 AM EST

You sound like a hardliner to me. Extremist is the word that comes to mind.

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#1.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:35 AM EST

Iranians voted on Friday in a parliamentary election which is expected to reinforce the power of the clerical establishment of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

.....And if you don't vote for me, you will pay the consequences..Great elections indeed...I wonder if the Republicans would be happier living there?

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:28 AM EST

As I recall, it was the Democrats that were caught "stuffing the ballot boxes" in the last presidential election. I'm kind of glad they did though. I don't like Obama at all, but McCain and Palin was the worst possible choice for Republican front runners. I voted against them all on principal.

  • 10 votes
#1.4 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:39 AM EST

They will never be safe until they run out of their OIL.

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#1.5 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:37 AM EST

Ballot-stuffing? By the Democrats? Dude - Are you high? I never even heard a single allegation!!! Get your head out of the Nat'l EXaminer and those other mags piled high by your "conspiracy desk"!

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#1.6 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:42 AM EST

Ahmadinejad's media adviser has been sentenced to one year in jail for insulting Khamenei.

The above statement would find many of the bloggers on this and other sites site in prison for life based on the kind of comments we read from from time to time.I'm thankful for my freedom, I hope it lasts a while longer.

We take a lot for granted here and need to step up to the plate in terms of persnal responsibility lest we find ourselves in the same boat of despair as Iran. Do not think for one minute that we aren't up to our necks in crooks here as well. As the last few presidential elections would indicate we'd better keep an eye out for voter fraud, both sides have been guilty of tampering with the ballots and taking advantage of a flawed system. Personally I have little faith in the electric scanner that "reads" and tallies my votes, I liked the old system where representatives from all political parties checked the votes mannually watching each other's backs. Seems to me it would be fairly simple to rig a machine to meet ones needs.

Paranoid? Not really, just a little of "Once bitten twice shy" playing itself out.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:42 AM EST

Bush II was the worst choice and the Florida election was fixed by his brother. So much for the American voting process. If you have the money and power you can have the vote in America, nothing new.

Iran has elections, democracy and great freedom for its citizens, including women. Saudi Arabia has none of this but it doesn't matter because America doesn't need to use propaganda against them. Iran on the other hand as a free nation doesn't do what the US wants so we are inclined to support a war creating a dictator there - again.

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#1.8 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:49 AM EST

Hey Joe, Do you think the Iranians feel the same about our Congressional Leaders and President, and our terrorist organization of the CIA? Most Americans I know would rather just be left alone and worry about Domestic issues, rather than International ones.

And our elections are rigged, too. See Diebold Voting Machines or "Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss..."

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:01 AM EST

The winner was announced yesterday in this Alice in Wonderland upside down country called Iran.Wiiner then elections.Guilty and then be hanged and then the trial.The winners are ayatollah1, ayatollah.2 and 3 .Vote against the Islamic Revolution and you die..There will be a lot of deaths in Iran before this government is overthrown by a multi national colaition including Arab and Muslim countres.Bombing the nuke sites will be just one aspect..the other is to overthrow the ayatollahs and their terrorist regime.And you won`t read about it first on Msnbc news.Most of the world will cheer.Too many countries have been victims of Iranian terrorists attacks or plots. Won`t be long now!!

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#1.10 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:03 AM EST

Will the Iranians riot after this election like they did after the last election?

A man as evil and ruthless as Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has all of the power he needs to beat the thoughts of freedom right out of the minds of the Iranian people.

    #1.11 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:03 AM EST

    SAGE So you never heard about ACORN.. Must be that convenient hearing because we have and the investigation is being dragged out but so far they have found several hundreds of thousands of dead people who voted for Obama.. They have also found a large number of multi registered voters who voted at least twice.. The supreme leader has been trying to get a bill through Congress for a while that further softens up voter registration and presidential eligibility requirements..

    The Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his Islamic council rule Iran so any voting is done for puppets.. They do as they are told or off to jail or torture, but at least they do get a show trial.. Hillary Clinton runs this country and Obama is her puppet, who her puppet master is I don't know.. If I had to guess I would say the money movers and the big corporations pull the strings.. Democratic Capitalism is what our system is called and true capitalism is dog eat dog for money and power..

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    #1.12 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:15 AM EST

    Dick,

    News Flash! Bush has been out of office for over three years now and the mess we are in may have been started by him by has been made 10x worse with the inept excuse of a president we have now. HE campaigned on bringing the sides to gather, and then when he had a super majority and his idea's were too radical for his own party he blamed it on the "Party of No" (this was the stupidest phrase I have ever heard because at the time the Republicans did not have to votes to stop what he was pushing, so even his own party would not support min, and then what does he do ? Blames the Republicans.

    He has lied to us, hid his background with our money to the tune of over 5 million now by having a team of attorney's tie-up any request to look at his high school or college records. This man has no clue on how to manage a national budget, no clue on foreign relations, screams about what Bush did and then comes in and not only does what he was yelling about but has done it worse then Bush.

    All I know is I will dance the day he is removed by power, and I am disabled and can not walk with a leg braces and a walker, but for one day I will find the strength within me that we finally got the worst president this country has ever seen out of office. And as much as you may yell about Bush, by the time he is finished we will all think Bush was a saint and we finally got the Anti-Christ out of office!

      #1.13 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:30 AM EST

      Wow, you really are a kool-aid drinking idiot Tbenton. The "Party of No" was coined after the teabaggers and repubs took over the majority of the senate! They were the party of no, who voted against ANYTHING Obama supported, even if it ment hurting the US, just to make him look like a failure. Go back to reading Fox news and squee over all the obama hate there.

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      #1.14 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:47 AM EST

      Bush II was nothing but a greedy SOB who cared only about himself. This was proven in his actions causing the worst downturn in the economy since the other Republican Hoover. Obama is getting us out of this mess, according to: The DOW, jobs, unemployment claims, and his affordable (and guaranteed) health care. If you want to go back to the Republican way of life during Bush II: Huge recession, unnecessary wars, failed security programs, 911, unemployment, banks stealing from the taxpayers and then being subsidized by the taxpayer, - well vote Republican.

      News Flash to you, the Republicans were voted out of the House, Senate and Oval office because most Americans had it with the Republican screw up for 8 years. 2012 will be the same because most Americans remember Bush II and the Republicans just like me and will until their mess has been cleaned up and we move on.

      If you get up out of your handicapped chair and dance, I hope it is for how someone else paid for your expense and Obamacare. If you get no money from any socialized entity or anyone else but just your own income, congratulations otherwise don't bite the hand that feeds you.

        #1.15 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:00 AM EST

        They both seem like hardline nut jobs to me. Just remember president Obama is in charge and has sent ships and troops to the area in a buildup to war.So he owns this one,not George Bush.

        So Obama is kind of a warmonger and in the debates Romney and Santorum and Gingrich all were beating the war drum. Ron Paul is the only one who said to butt out and to talk with them.Of course he is the one with the most support from the military. Support the man!

          #1.16 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:02 AM EST

          The girl in the photo with the guitar is Iran's version of The Singing "None"........I could be wrong but there probably isn't a whole lot to sing about when it comes to Iranian elections; a place where it's all over way before "the fat lady sings"!!

            #1.17 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:02 AM EST

            Iran has elections, democracy and great freedom for its citizens, including women

            Today's entry for the dumbest comment on Newsvine.

            Thanks Dick!

            Anyone find anything else even worse?

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            #1.18 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:04 AM EST

            I wonder how much 'ballot stuffing' will go on?

              #1.19 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:16 AM EST

              Gee, I wonder what this thread would say if it were actually about the Iranian elections? Can't go two seconds without turning it into a party-bashing forum, can we?

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              #1.20 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST

              Hey Roadrunner. You do realize that the ACORN scandal was bull@!$%#, right? That it was perpetrated by Andrew Breitbart (God rest his soul) and James O'Keefe? That the video tapes shown to the public were heavily edited to slant the actual story? Kind of like in the Shirley Sherrod case? And yes, all this has been proven. All ACORN did was register voters. Too late for that, though.

                #1.21 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:31 AM EST

                Irene sez:

                Do you think they are as rigged as the elections here in the US?

                Elections here are not rigged. Too saddled with big money, yes, but not rigged.

                Iran is a brute force Theocracy. If you think the U.S. is 'just as bad' then go live in Iran for a few years and see how life it for you there, esp. as a woman. Then come back and file a report on how things went.

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                #1.22 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:47 AM EST

                I will have to agree with Irene on that, we need to take care of our own first, but I guess people just ignore the poor and homeless, I see them everyday but what would most of you know about that, after all you all probably look down your nose at them .........

                  #1.23 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:14 AM EST

                  Dick 2100935,

                  You sure are living up to your name, aren't you?

                  Bush II was the worst choice and the Florida election was fixed by his brother.

                  Do you have ANY evidence to prove this? No you don't, so shut your pie hole. They only counted the votes, what, two or three times?

                  Iran has elections, democracy and great freedom for its citizens, including women

                  You got to be frikin kidding me! That has got to be the dumbsch!t-of-the-year award statement.

                  Oh, and how do your explain Obozo raising the national debt more in three years than Bush did in eight? Chew on that one. If you thing Obama is better than Bush, there is no hope for you. You drank too much koolaid.

                    #1.24 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 1:01 PM EST

                    The only "deviant current" in Iran that the rest of the world sees is Khameni himself, and his fanatical nut case clerics!

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                    #1.25 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST

                    I have a suggestion for your ignorance. I do not believe the propaganda coming from Fox news any more then I do from the Obama supporters ABC, CBS, NBC, they all stink they just smell badly in different flavors. And Jim Adams, take a look at Obama's speeches where he was blaming the Republicans for stopping him when his own party had a super majority. Talk about brainwashed, you need to stop listening to the far left and do some research like I do. As for Bush he will go down as a bad president in the end, but so far Obama has upheld most of his policies and has turned into the worst we have ever had. With Bush I knew what I had, Obama does nothing but lie and says one thing and does another, he will throw anyone under the bus to promote his re-election, but I think that the average American this time is not going to sit home but vote for once and will overwhelmingly get this piece of trash out of the white house.

                      #1.26 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 2:17 AM EST

                      Benton, while I admit that the Fox propagandizing is sometimes more flagrant, I think that you get it. To me, NBC and CBS, and then to maybe a slightly lesser extent ABC and CNN, are all somewhat to wildly favorable to BHO. But it's not 100% -- how many now remember that the "Tea Party" movement began with a remark by a business correspondent on CNBC?

                        #1.27 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 8:23 AM EST

                        Tbenton, as you did not specify whose ignorance you were referring to it makes it difficult to respond so I will do so anyway. I happen to agree with most of what you posted. I try not to give credence to any one particular media outlet as they all have their own particular agendas. I do not trust President Obama as far as I can see him and dread the thought of him in the Oval Office for another 4 years! I am not particularly fond of GWB and he screwed up plenty, but at the time I considered him the lesser of evils. As you said above, Obama is an expert at lying and playing the blame game without taking any responsibility for his own screw ups. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I vote Independent as both of the aforementioned parties are pale shadows of their former selves. Both will lie, cheat, and/or steal to do whatever it takes to get into office and stay there. All the while lining theirs and their cronies pockets with our tax dollars. I try to vote for the person I think is best qualified for the job and not the party.

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                        #1.28 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 10:22 AM EST

                        Ed-NavDoc,

                        I could not agree with you more. For once someone on this site that talks without being indoctrinated by either side. I could not agree with you more that both parties are just a shell of what they once were, and I believe that both would happily ruin this country and tear it apart if it meant keeping themselves in power. The only fix I see for this is to impose term limits on both houses, it may not fix the problem but will get rid of the career politicians that have so poisoned the system. I also would not have a problem if another party or two would replace one or both that would raise us back to what we once were. But I do not see this happening without a civil war because neither party will ever give up their power.

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.29 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 8:37 PM EST
                        Reply

                        Wow, you can transplant the entire headline(minus the location, Iran) and apply it to the entire race the GOP has been running since day one.

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                        Reply#2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:30 AM EST

                        Well spoken - and entirely accurate.

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                        #2.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:19 AM EST

                        oh yes, Entirely turn out the lights Irene

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                        #2.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:29 AM EST

                        I know your posts are lost on those that seriously need to consider them. The problem is that I don't think they really see an issue with having a "fourth" arm of government that weighs everything based on fundamentalist christian "values". That is, in effect, what Iran has... just a different Religion, different place and time.

                          #2.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:23 AM EST

                          Our vote scam is not as blatantly obvious as Iran yet but we are getting there.. Can you imagine what will happen when they lift the identification rule for voter registration that the Democrats are pushing for?? Since the powers put Obama in do you think we might get someone more popular next time like Ahrnold Schwarzenegger.. I know that they would have to pass a bill allowing a one time exception or change the Constitution like they want but I would vote for him.. The a$$ clowns running now are a joke and the Terminator will get my write in vote..

                            #2.4 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:36 AM EST

                            I see Obama as more of a dictator.We have lost more liberty under Obama than with Bush.You guys dont read much do you.

                              #2.5 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:06 AM EST

                              Did anyone notice this article is about Iran?

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                              #2.6 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:30 AM EST

                              "The U.S. Is Just As Bad, blah, blah, blah."

                              You people have no clue what Theocratic government means for a country, especially when it's Islamic Theocracy.

                              "Well What About The Christian Taliban Here in the U.S. ???!!!!!!!"

                              I'm an atheist and I'm not worried about extremist Christians trying to 'take over' and create a theocracy here in the U.S. It hasn't happened, it isn't happening, and it won't happen. The Rick Santorums of our country are harmless little teddy bears compared to the brutish zealots of Islam.

                              • 4 votes
                              #2.7 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:56 AM EST

                              "We have lost more liberty under Obama than with Bush."

                              I would say that's a toss-up. Patriot Act and no-fly list vs NDAA and airborne surveillance. Hard to choose.

                                #2.8 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST
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                                " I am here to support my establishment against the enemies plot by voting ".... BWHAAAAHAHAHAHA

                                Thanks for the laugh, Mahboubeh. The outcome of this election was already decided years ago. Just like the elections were already decided before the vote in 2009 and the 2013 elections have already been decided. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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                                Reply#3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:35 AM EST

                                Sad part is if it did matter after what happened last election only the hard line extremist are going to vote. I also think some of these people are payed to say those things and vote.

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                                #3.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:25 AM EST

                                Scene from a Iranian news cast, this just in, all challengers defeated.(beheaded)

                                  #3.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:43 AM EST
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                                  The photos and the article look crazy at least for 21st century!

                                  "to reinforce the power of the clerical establishment of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei over hard-line political rivals led by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad."

                                  Does it make much difference whether a eighth century mindset Islamic mad leader or ninth century one wins?

                                  However in religious craziness including dresses and acts, seventh century Sunni Saudi bigoted feudal despotic and highly corrupt Saudi ruler and his 5000 princes and princesses have beaten all world records.

                                  In greediness, world has neither seen such greedy beasts either!

                                  • 3 votes
                                  Reply#4 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:41 AM EST

                                  I think i could do the splits like she can.

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                                  Reply#5 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:56 AM EST

                                  Dating anyone? ;)

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #5.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:37 AM EST

                                  Can I watch?

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                                  #5.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:41 AM EST

                                  haha giggity

                                    #5.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:32 AM EST
                                    Reply

                                    My vote is for the Ayatollah Santorum.

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                                    Reply#6 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:36 AM EST

                                    Or Mitt In-a-godda-da-vida-jad. Either one is okay with me.

                                      #6.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:29 AM EST
                                      Reply

                                      They will probably vote Allah in again, the fools!

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                                      Reply#7 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:03 AM EST

                                      Only fools think Israel is one of our 'Allies'. None of these 'false Jews' who

                                      call themselves Israelis have ever shed any blood in any of our conflicts.

                                      Australia, Canada and Britain are our true Allies. Screw Israel...

                                      Ever wonder how the world experienced a housing financial disaster but

                                      these 'false Jews' are still erecting free Jew housing on occupied territory??

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#8 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:53 AM EST

                                      Yeah but, remember, God gave them that land ;-). Pretty soon they'll be knocking at your front door and telling you they're taking your car because God gave it to them.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:13 AM EST

                                      Genetically, Muslims of Palestine are largely descendants of Christians and Jews of the southern Levant and descendents of a population that lived there since before written history.

                                      Since the Muslim raided in the 7th century leading to death of thousands of people or conversions to Islam resulted in Palestinians being transformed to Sunni Muslims.

                                      There is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community.

                                      Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel and very few identify as "Palestinian" today.

                                      Destruction of their culture was achieved by the rape and enslavement of their women, and murder or conversion at the threat of death of their men by the Islamic raiders, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #8.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:10 AM EST

                                      Hmmm, I thought this article was about Iranian intolerance of dissenting views, but JimOne and Tim McCain feel free to use it as a platform to spout their ignorant and irrelevant intolerance and bigotry. Israel is a strong American ally, you fools. God gave you America, or were the Indians here first?

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #8.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:10 AM EST

                                      Jim your as bad as all the dems here blaming bush for things happening now. Man up and own your actions.

                                      I think the jews have enough problems being surrounded by muslims who want them dead.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.4 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:12 AM EST

                                      Iran wants to get a nuke so they can destroy isreal and america, isreal is trying to stop them and you dont consider that helping america? The jews have helped in american conflicts in multiple ways one being inttelegince and another being covert opts. Long ago they had much more land then they do now but it was taken from them by muslim invasions. But no one stands up for the jews who are the most persicuted people in history.

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                                      #8.5 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:18 PM EST
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                                      "Poll: Israeli voters don't want an attack on Iran without US help" We better god damn NOT help them!! Why don't they do what our president has asked them to do, and negotiate in GOOD FAITH, with an aim to going back to the 1967 borders. Then MAYBE, just Maybe, hezzbolah backs off and recognizes their legitamacy, and Iran ceases its bellicose bull@!$%# about wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Listen Israelis, don't ask us for bombs, ask us for our advice, and we've already given you that...so cut out the bull@!$%# and TALK!!!

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#9 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:58 AM EST

                                      They were attacked by 7 countries and the Palestinians at once in 1967 who sought Israels complete destruction. They wanted to kill all of the Jews.

                                      The lands were seized as they were being used as launching pads for attacks on Israel. Anyone suggesting that Israel should return these lands also thinks Israel should be eliminated. The word

                                      "Anti-Semite" comes to mind.

                                      Albert Einstein put it this way:

                                      "The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything"

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                                      #9.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:27 AM EST

                                      The question is not first should we help Israel, the first question is what is in the best US interest. A nuclear Iran is the scariest thing I can imagine.

                                      And, separately, are the Palestinians willing to engage in reasonable and meaningful dialogue? NO.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #9.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                                      So, Tim McCain, when your next door neighbor is buying guns and telling you he wants to kill you, you first go offer him gifts so that "MAYBE" he will change his mind? Brilliant. Good luck with that.

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                                      #9.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:23 AM EST

                                      Actually sonar guy, Israel started the Six Day War in 1967. It was during this conflict that the USS Liberty was attacked.

                                        #9.4 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:34 AM EST

                                        @ Noach, that is a gross misinterpretation of history. The USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity on June 8th. The war started on the 5th. Anyway, what is your logic? The Arab states attacked Israel as retaliation for Israel attacking the US? Ridiculous.

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                                        #9.5 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:54 AM EST

                                        Israel firing the first shots of the six-day war were completely justified. When you have multiple countries massing troops on your border, and statements like "Our main goal is the destruction of Israel" being made by then Egyptian president Nasser, striking first was the best choice.

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                                        #9.6 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST

                                        @Gary, I was just correcting sonar guy's statement that the Arabs attacked. The attack on the Liberty happened during the Six Day War. There is still a lot of controversy over what really happened. I personally believe it was case of mistaken identity.

                                        @Mike, I agree that Israel was justified for firing the first shots. I am sure the US would do the same if Canada and Mexico started massing their troops along its border.

                                        FYI, I happen to be a staunch supporter of Israel.

                                          #9.7 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:00 PM EST

                                          FYI, I happen to be a staunch supporter of Israel.

                                          Wow, thanks a lot for the clue on that!

                                            #9.8 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:43 PM EST
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                                            elections????? What elections?????? They try to mock a democracy by holding elections in which everyone knows who the winner is. What a waste of news space.

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                                            Reply#10 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:01 AM EST

                                            Is there a hair's width difference between the Principlists and Reformists? Both I-bin-in-a-job and Co-many want to make the West the enemy and continue the nuclear program. Who is the write in candidate?

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                                            Reply#11 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:28 AM EST

                                            You can write in anyone you choose! Of course, right after you do that, your hand is cut off ...

                                              #11.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:45 PM EST
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                                              The war mongers are disappointed that reports of a free and fair election in Iran upsets their claims of evil Iranians out to destroy a peaceful Israel. These Israeli-first toadies have no love for Americans and only want the US to send our boys/girls off to fight for Israel while the zionists sit this one out on the sidelines. It is time for Americans to unite and stop bickering over politicial matters such as Democrats vs Republicans and get on with what is best for all Americans instead of the chosen few. Its time for Americans to feel patriotic again without resorting to another foreign war that only benefits another foreign country, Israel.

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                                              Reply#12 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:33 AM EST

                                              The REAL people in Iran, about 50% of whom are under 35 (or something close to that) want something really bizzare and very hard to understand.....FREEDOM...FREEDOM....FREEDOM (um, and that includes women having a status better than a dog, which is what they have now). The crazies have these people by the throat just as surely as Saddam had Iraqis by the throat. We aren't intersted in any fight with these people, so Israel should put that, getting us into a war with them business, where the sun doesn't shine. Period!!!

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                                              #12.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:12 AM EST

                                              your kidding right free and fair? Did you forget what happened last election? Nothing is free and fair in that country as long as the ayatollah's and the clergy stay in politcal power.

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                                              #12.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:30 AM EST
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                                              Ahmadinejad, the son of a blacksmith, still enjoys the support of many in Iran's poorer communities, largely thanks to his humble image and regular cash handouts. But his popularity has been dented by the country's economic crisis

                                              Sounds a lot like our messiah in chief- Cash always goes along way to buy votes but even after a while the reality overcomes the payoff.

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                                              Reply#13 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:34 AM EST
                                              mikehhsDeleted

                                              i'm a ninja . lmao

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                                              Reply#15 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:05 AM EST
                                              VungFooDeleted

                                              In the end, the winner will be whoever the leaders decide. Democracy is a bad joke in Iran. This is a land where the opposition has been eliminated with bullets already.

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                                              Reply#17 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:10 AM EST

                                              Why are you always upvoting your own comments, sonar guy?

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                                              #17.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:24 AM EST
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                                              Still a 3rd world tolet. Vote or don't it wont matter neither party can find their ass with both hands. Good luck to the poor people of Iran picking a winner from the crap choices they have.

                                              Somebody turn out the lights before the shooting starts.

                                              Go Israel.

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                                              Reply#18 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:11 AM EST

                                              A vote is a needle in the eye of the enemy. Kind of like the gop race.

                                                Reply#19 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:16 AM EST

                                                The pictoral definition of irony? A photograph of the SUPREME LEADER of Iran casting a vote in a "democratic" election.

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                                                Reply#20 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:28 AM EST

                                                Thank goodness most of us are not fools like most posters here. The gop wont win the next election here, odumbo will lose it. Most of us support israel because they are good people. Bring on the hate, ummmmm.

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                                                Reply#21 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:35 AM EST

                                                so are the Palestinians....

                                                  #21.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:38 AM EST
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                                                  the palestinians teach thier children hate. Hopefully you have none to teach tim.

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                                                  Reply#22 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:40 AM EST

                                                  not you though...you teach your children to love everyone, right?

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                                                  #22.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:58 AM EST
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                                                  I'm 69, I've been hearing this for the last 60 years and I don't give a pile of camel dung about it.

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                                                  Reply#23 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:49 AM EST

                                                  Camel dung, good one.

                                                    #23.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:50 AM EST
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                                                    RIGHT ON! sonar guy! North Korea's new leader might be coming around without a popular vote, allowing inspections of their nuclear capabilities! We are watching THEM! Because they ARE EVIL! Not because we're Jews, Americans, Brits or French, But because we're FREE!

                                                      Reply#24 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:59 AM EST

                                                      So how are sanctions that hurt the ordinary Iranians supposed to weaken a theocratic government? It only strengthens it. How is bombing the nation and starting a war which will kill mostly civilians going to help anyone?

                                                        Reply#25 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:11 AM EST

                                                        War is out of the question and sanctions, according to intelligence, ARE working, slowly but surely. Part 2 is to get Israel to start talking and negotiating in good faith, and stop the settlements.

                                                          #25.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:25 AM EST

                                                          There have been no discussions of widespread bombings that could injure civilians. In fact, if you read anything at all about the proposed action against Iran, it has been explicitly stated that the goal is to minimize civilian casualties by carrying out tactical targeted strikes on military and nuclear research facilities.

                                                          I also don't agree with an armed strike against Iran, but that doesn't mean we need to make up reasons to oppose it, there are plenty of actual reasons.

                                                            #25.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:54 AM EST

                                                            Israel want another war so badly they can taste it. Well if they want another war, I say give them what they want. A few less warmongering Bible-thumping idiots in this world will benefit everyone.

                                                              #25.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:06 AM EST

                                                              Tim, I have to agree totally about the settlements. You can't say that you support a two-state solution on one hand and the settler movement on the other. How many of the settlements are as large as they are because they are great real estate deals? Even in the depressed world housing market of today, where else can you get a three-bedroom, two-bath house for $40K or so? And lots of "free" security in your "gated community"!

                                                                #25.4 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:57 PM EST

                                                                @ben Noach, I see. But next time you offer tidbits of history for technical accuracy, you may want to consider what point it makes in the context of the discussion.

                                                                  #25.5 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:04 AM EST
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                                                                  FYI - I am a White Anglo Saxon Protestant U.S. citizen by birth.

                                                                  Athiest by conviction.

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                                                                  Reply#26 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:14 AM EST

                                                                  People SEEM to forget, OTHER FREE NATIONS lost THEIR SONS in IRAQ! THIS is a much smaller world today,and these dictators will not survive under the GUISE of RELIGION or POLITICS! Namely the AYATOLLAH OR AHMADINEJAD! IRAN IS A TWO HEADED SNAKE!

                                                                    Reply#27 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:14 AM EST
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