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Subscribe to RSSFive U.S. soldiers were directly involved in the burning of Qurans last week at the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, defense and military officials told NBC News.
The officials were speaking about the conclusion of a U.S. military investigation. They told NBC News that the investigation is not complete, but it appears that the five soldiers involved will not face criminal charges. Instead, it is "likely" they would face non-judicial punishment, which could be as simple as a reprimand.
The rank and identities of the five accused have not been made public, NBC News said.
The investigation's results will not be released until a similar joint investigation by the Afghan government and the U.S. is made public, which could come in a "matter of days," officials told NBC News said.
Despite an apology from President Barack Obama, the incident at Bagram airbase, which is being used by both U.S. and foreign forces under the NATO banner, ignited a wave of anti-Western fury across the country. Muslims consider the Quran the literal word of God and treat each book with deep reverence.
At least 30 people were killed in the protests.
Afghan clerics demand trial of Quran burners at US base
The Quran burnings hurt U.S. efforts to win more trust from Afghans, an essential part of efforts to weaken the Taliban and force the militant group to negotiate an end to the war, now in its 11th year.
The Washington Post first reported that investigators appointed by Marine Gen. John R. Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, found that the soldiers removed the Qurans from a prison located at Bagram air base after they were found to contain extremist messages.
According to the article, the books were then placed in an office for safekeeping. But they were mistaken for garbage and taken to a landfill on the base.
Afghan employees identified the books as Qurans just as their pages caught fire, the Post says.
Officials told the paper it's unlikely the names of the five soldiers will be released or that their punishment will include a public trial in Afghanistan, as clerics demanded.
“What they did was careless, but there was no ill will,” a military official told the Post.
This article includes reporting by NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski.
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Think I've said this before. but those people over there are nuts.
We need to leave and leave them to their own fate.
Sure as long as you don't mind $8 gas. That's libertyforyou...
Send those men home now!
The H with that sand pile they call a country.
Geography much?
People? More like animals.
We'll pay $8 for gas even though we make more then enough for our own consumption, but the oil companies make more money when they export it.
These people are the indigenous natives of Afghanistan. I keep reading how people believe they should think like us. Why should we not think like them? We are the invaders of their land. We need to respect their culture and their rule of law, ours has no place there.
These people (as is most of the semi-radical sects of Islam) are constantly looking for something to war and fight about. They were getting bored and if it wasn't this it would have been something else. They'll satisfy their anger urges and go home in a few days to stew about what they might get upset about next time. Move along, nothing more to see here. We're supposed to be focused on the contraceptives issue so we're not focused on the stagnant economy or the lack of solid foreign diplomacy action that costs American lives in foreign lands.
Quite the insight. Is that what the nice man on TV told you?
Punish the soldiers? The towel heads were dissing their own Quran by writing terrorist messages to each other in the books. Like hell, punish them; give 'em an award.
Spider, we can almost tell your age, race, sex, and nationality you are just by seeing what's left after all your hate posts. Is there anyone or anything you like?
What else to do when you're unemployed, stuck living with your parents, and can't date?
LmarcT: Would you like to send the Afghans a letter of Apology? If you do ask them if they will Apoligize for Murdering our soldiers. Get a life.
Just curious--would you apologize to Saudi Arabia for our citizens bringing down the plane that killed the 911 terrorists?
No? Well why not? You expect Afghans to apologize for killing US soldiers who have invaded their country and murdered their citizens.
I think the world is getting more than a little fed up with America's double standard.
message to administration: NOBODY CARES.
Then the world can quit taking US taxpayer funded
bribesforeign aid, that'll teach us.Carrollanne1
What is wrong with your head? Do you even remember what 9-11 is about?
The book is so sacred to them that they desecrated it by writing in it. As someone above said, it was just their latest excuse to hate. Everything is sacred to them when it involves somebody else, but they don't seem to give a damn if it's one of them. Mosques are sacred to, but they don't have any trouble hiding arms in them, and fighting battles from them. If for the person who thinks Afghanistan has oil in it, you better think again. Leaving Afghanistan won't affect gas prices at all.
so they burnned the koran, well, so what, who the he-- cares, biG deal! burn the AMERICAN FLAG, burn the CHRISTIAN BIBLES, KILL CHRISTIANS, BURN OUR CHRISTIAN CHURCHS and we do nothing, and obuma kisses their ass, unbelievable!
Leave this country and burn and/or destroy anything we have to leave. We'll have $8 a gallon gas because that is the stated policy of the O'Bama and his "Energy Czar". O'Bama has got to go before he completely destroys the U.S.A..
JBabbott <<<>>> WE are not the invaders !!! The Afghans are!!! But they sponsored the attack on us by The Taliban. They sponsored their fellow Afghans (and other mideasterners, but under Taliban banner) who sent planes into our Twin Towers, standing on US soil and The Pentagon, standing on US Soil and another unknown destination believed to have been The White House, which also stands on US soil.
Various arguments, reasonable and/or unreasonable, can be given pro and con on the wisdom of our striking back, but NO RATIONAL argument can be given that the first blow was us against them, rather than them against us. <<<>>> "Live long and prosper!
I second that motion. Obama needs to go before we lose all of our freedom and our oil.
Obama hasnt taken any of your freedom or your oil? Always someone wanting to bash everyone else because they have no capability to take direction of their own life. This country was in shambles before he was elected stupid, Obama didn't do it!
Boy you'd think that the right would be making a big deal that burning the Korans is just more proof of Obama's war on religion! But nobody has even mentioned that. You don't suppose it doesn't count because it's the wrong religion?
Phit Katz,that is the same thing that my ancestors were called when their country was invaded,they were murderd ,raped ,enslaved ,tortured and put on reservations and are still there.
The fact that the Afghan people treat an inanimate object (the Quran) with more respect and reverence than human life shows just how different their thinking is compared to ours. And the burning was accidental, but they still want our soldiers punished. What are we still doing in that he!! hole of a third world country letting them kill our soldiers? They've shielded and probably back the Taliban. We need to pull our troops out of there. And our politicians need to tell the UN to take a flying leap.
I say give them a medal and a promotion
John Nettles, that's because PhitKatz is an ignorant racist a-hole. All humans are animals.
Thats feels cats; a bugger.
Bilal, Afghanistan has no oil to affect the market or are you confused a bit?
If we had resolute leadership, including in the White House, we would have explained that these Islamic terrorist enemy combatants being detained at the Parwan facility had used the Koran to write jihadist messages to pass to others.
In doing so, they violated their own cultural practice and defiled the Koran. Furthermore, they turned the Koran into contraband. Therefore, Islamic cultural practice and Parwan detention facility procedures support burning the “contraband.”
Instead here we go again, offering apology after apology and promising to “hold those responsible accountable.” Responsible for what?
When tolerance becomes a one-way street it leads to cultural suicide. This time it immediately led to the deaths of two American Warriors. America is awaiting the apology from President Hamid Karzai.
It is time for us to stop sending the taxpayers money to all the nations around the world we should be investing in our own nation. We can do nation building with our tax dollar and blood when we have more than enough for our own. Maybe we should learn a few things from China because they are not sending any money or blood to other nations and in fact we are borrowing from the Chinese and adding our own tax $$$ for building other nations. Can anyone explain the sanity of this formula?
Ron Paul puts it to the test and concludes that it is the sole reason that we are falling behind the Chinese.
Wow. So we are really there, killing Afghans, in order to keep gasoline prices low here at home. War for profit, economy, and not for freedom. Knew it all along. With this kind of thinking you have relegated America to be an aggressor of the worst kind. Blood in exchange for coin.
Realist-1226632- You are right. The Taliban desecrate the belief in the Koran every time they kill an innocent person. When they hang a young boy or kill young women who are going to school. Those stories don't get published because it would justify our being there. Common sense. They are a culture driven by violence and hatred. They use whatever reason they have to kill.
Jinny: Some people could say the same about the way we treat the American Flag. Our thinking is not always quite as different as we would like to think when it comes to certain things.
People are being beheaded for so much as having a Bible in Afghanistan or Islamist countries... Then Obama will apologize to those peace loving Koran thumpers. Anyone using that term is likely a beheading asking to happen. Funny, we always hear Christians called "bible thumpers" but when it comes to the Koran and Islam it is their "sacred book". It's okay to DISrespect the Bible, but MUST respect the Koran..or else. Only in America folks. Or what USED to be America.
I see this story has attracted the rwnj's like moths to a lightbulb. We are not them, so why is it alright to act like them?
Not sure why the 5 soldiers are in trouble. I guarantee you that these soldiers were ordered to do what they did. But who cares. All religion is a bunch of crap.
I thought the only thing afghanistan had was poppy fields and herion. Why do people think it has gas or even affects gas prices? It don't!!!
The best thing to do is pickup and leave. That dust bowl of a country has no affect on us whatsoever outside of terror training camps. We should have killed the suspected radicals and left. It should have really been that simple in the first place. With our air superiority, there was no reason for any soldier to step foot in there. It could have all been done with air strikes and saved us a lot of dead Americans and billions of dollars.
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anyone or anypaper that would give out there names should be shot, and if our government reprimands these military men then theyshouldbe shot also. What about the afghans that wrote in the books, why the hell don't they publish their names and let those animals kill them?
Im actually surprise the military is conducting an inquiry on this issue. It was a mistake and we should leave it as that. Stop fueling this non existent controversy. Enough people have died already...
there are some sick people on this site that cannot take the honest opinion of a totally disabled combat Vietnam Vet that contradicts the liberalism views on this site. you socialists collapsed my comments as I am sure you will sollapse this comment.
Um, do you even know what the word "socialists" means? A lot of people plain and simple don't take you seriously if you're yapping like that, sorry friend.
Socialism comes in varying guises. Marx stated that socialism was the phase that occurred between capitalism and communism. The end of capitalism would usher in socialism and ultimately communism. Now, in the context used, we already have socialism. As to Afghanistan, it is now and will always be, a backwards country.
Certain liberal commentators are starting to wake up about the resurgence of Islamic law and islamists coming into power. There are now conversations about what said resurgence will do for women's right's in the regions experiencing the 'Arab Spring.' Recently, a female reporter for the BBC, currently residing in Egypt, stated that she was 'very frightened' about where the government was headed, mentioning the increasing crack-downs on women's rights in the region.
Interesting how the liberals have climbed into bed with the Islamists, groups like Code Pink are out in force, pushing for said 'Arab Democracy' which, apparently, they liken to the Bolshevik revolution. Now, Islam is virulently anti-gay, anti-woman and extremely repressive. Only now are some of the liberal persuasion waking up to that fact. Not that it matters much, the liberals were used as Lenin's useful idiots, they helped certain groups gain ascendency and soon will start to decry the destructions of human rights in regions where they pushed fervently for said 'democracies.' None of them will admit that what they support is wrong, nope, they will continue to act as though 'democracy' is just around the corner. Interesting concept, democracy. Apparently, in the Middle East and other Islamic countries, the will of the majority often creates theocracies.
our troops don't belong in afghanistan, or any other country. bring all troops home now. we've suffered enough and so have other countries from our invasive, oppressive and unconstitutional foreign policy ...
Yeah....thumbs up for the five US soldiers burning the Quran. In fact...i have one quran with me right now. First i'm going to piss and crap on it...then i'm going to burn it and throw it in the trash where it belong. So what's the big deal.......
Wolfpack you must be former or current millitary .. no one else would say something so stupid
@billiebee68--2.2----if you noticed, my first ever first post was collapsed. Like a barroom brawl, if you're not taking some hits, you ain't fighting. If you're not getting collapsed from time to time--you ain't commenting.
@mygirl1--love the picture of the longhorn. I raise registered loghorns. If it ain't longhorn, it is just a cow.
At this point everybody in the world knows that burning a Quran will result in massive protests and usually deaths. At some point it stops being the Muslim's fault and starts becoming the fault of the people stupid enough to burn one. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Michael - and you must be a current or former 60's-type radical Liberal politician because only then would you have the disdain for the military to make such an asinine comment. How dare you? Have you ever served? (I mean other than a happy meal) Typical lib making such a stupid, ignorant comment about our military. Shame on you.
This comes from a 24 year, proudly retired Navy man with over 7 years ground combat experience. If you would like to take this further, please let me know.
Wow, burn a Bible nobody cares, burn one of their books and they come apart at the seams. So much for being a peaceful religion huh.
michael3786235 The only reason you get to say anything about wolfpack is because he or someone like him covered you chicken sh!t ass.
"Afghan employees identified the books as Qurans just as their pages caught fire, the Post says"
So who burned the books? Afghan Employees....
Why is the US being blamed? Islam
The incinerator is run by a Defense Contractor. I notice that this is never mentioned anywhere and no one is taking them to task.
Good point that the Muslims loading the incinerator actually were the ones who burned the unholy Korans..
Where is the Muslim outrage when these animals kill women and children civilian bystanders in markets, schools and on the streets.. Why are they not running a rampage in the streets rioting and killing these murderers.. If they are that brainwashed to believe a book is more valuable than a child's life then these people are worthless and a waste of life.. The great Islamic cults value structure at its finest.. All these riots and killings resulting from this book burning show the true sickness that Islam is.. Islam is set up as a self reinforcing cult with harsh penalties for anyone of its followers who might try to think for themselves.. Thus they will never change as it is forbidden and punished with death.. So why are we there allowing our people to die when we could do this>>>
Explain to them that they can do as they want in their own country but the moment they try to smuggle out opium or commit an act of violence outside their pissing ground the penalty will be swift and severe.. B52s loaded with napalm or cluster bombs because we can do the eye for an eye thing too.. It may seem cruel or inhuman but this is what they understand.. Either we will end up killing them all or they will decide the extremist are a problem and will take care of them and live in peace..
If it was accidental, there should obviously be no charges. If it was intentional, there should definitely be charges. I don't care if it is a holy book or not, but it was not their property. They should receive the same punishment they would had they been military training manuals.
Ummm, well, it seems the books had already been desecrated because detainees had written in them and used them to pass messages along. Soooo, if you want to point fingers of blame, then you must start with those who defaced said 'holy books' in the first place. Also, it is written that the only proper way to dispose of a desecrated Koran is to BURN it.
As to military training manuals, last time I checked said manuals were not regarded as holy. Perhaps I am wrong.
As a veteran I can remember having to "obey orders" first, if you live long enough to complain about it you could. The military today is still a great means to "develop honesty" not available anywhere else. At the same time there are some in the military that are REAL NUT CASES. War does not help in this matter. Some in the military are to stupid to question anything, they just take orders, and sometimes those orders are fatal. the question of burning "their holy book" is another example of "following orders", trash is trash and the usual procedure is burning. I am sure these rag heads have "disposed of" those same books yet no one is harmed. The bible is burned regularly with no question. The muslim faith is supposed to be peaceful, but the mental degenerates fanning the flames of rebellion within their faith are no better than the very things they hate, we should stockpile all the pig blood available and use it when needed.
I agree with punishing these soldiers, if those who sent the poor soldiers without Bibles to Saudi Arabia to save the Saudi ruler, his 5000 princes and princesses, the very Islamic clerics and their holy places, Mecca/Medina are punished.
Also punish the Saudi beastly ruler and his battalion of puppets including his clerics for denying the basic rights of soldiers.
If the soldiers don't have their religious rights while defending these ungrateful Islamic religious Nazis, why should the soldiers be punished in any manner?
There can't be on-way streets always!
Why did these clerics and their supporters not go and battle Saddam?
Why are the same shameless and ungrateful asking for "international help" aka US and allies help in Syria and Iran?
Why don't they send their Red Crescents with their Qurans to Syria?
Are the US poor soldiers servants of these Saudis, oil companies, lobbyists and their agents?
How about all the ME countries "punish" those folks who burn American flags on the street ?
Or, how bout the burning of Mr. Obama's picture ?
Nah, our soldiers will get punished so this administration can say....."We took care of the issue." Yeah, that is really going to help a lot.
Meanwhile, the American flag will continue to be burned and our embassies stormed.
So IDO it should be a crime for these people in the middle east to burn photos of Obama or US flags but the anyone but Obama crowd can carry posters of him as a witch doctor, a monkey or with a bone in his nose and that is OK because we allow free speach.
If they punish these guys it is "we took care of the issue" if not it will be we are being soft on the issue", if Obama walks on water it will be "look he can't even swim"
@Ido-show some respect for the office of the president and refer to him as President Obama. It's not Mr. Obama. The same way we still use the terms Former President Bush and Former President Clinton. Why should Middle Eastern countries punish people for burning American flags? You do realize that not every country forbids flag burning. The U.S. may forbid flag burning but Canada and Belgium, to name a few countries, do not forbid the practice.
I oppose book burning whether it's burning religious texts, novels, textbooks, etc. On another note, I find the title of this piece highly misleading. It seems as though burning the Qurans was unintentional so why make a big deal out of it. The media loves to make a big deal out of nothing.
Muslims consider the Quran the literal word of God and treat each book with deep reverence. How many Quarans where destroyed when they burnt their own Mosques ?
My GOD... when I read so many of these posts, it reinforces the fact that this country is really failing in the educational department! And I'm not talking about the grammatical and spelling errors either! I'm not buying this cover-up story one bit... these 5 soldiers are akin to the group of pissing marines. And if they really had their brothers' backs, they would not intentionally create the dangerous environment that this behavior creates. If these soldiers did this intentionally, then the blood of their fellow soldiers is on THEIR hands... they KNOW how the Muslims react to "our" desecration of the Quran. I would really like to think this was an accident but if it wasn't and this story is just a cover-up, I hope those 5 soldiers go to jail for a long time for the deaths of their fellow soldiers.
This whole thing is absurd and Obama was wrong to apologize and should be impeached if he allows anyone to be put on trial as Karzai has demanded for what as an honest mistake. It is also the height of hypocrisy for any of them to protest this or expect an apology when they routinely do things like burn the bodies of our soldiers and the American flag in clear attempts to inflame passions. Tell Karzai that we will apologize and consider a trial after he apologizes puts every person in his country who has burned an American flag, desecrated the corpse of an American service member, or killed an unarmed American civilian on trial.
It is completely absurd to get so upset over something like this. They put some books in the trash that were defaced with anti-American rhetoric and messages of hate and were no longer needed or wanted. In fact, it was Afghani nationals who actually put the book in the fire, not Americans. The Americans only mistakenly place them in the trash. This was not done as any kind of religious statement or to piss anyone off. since they no longer house large numbers of Muslim prisoners at the base the Korans were no longer needed. As a result they were put in the trash to be disposed of. The laborers on the base then took the trash to be burned as they always do. This was a routine disposal of trash, not some religiously motivated incident.
It is time to stop the nonsense and just pull our troops out. Let these backwards fanatics have their wars with each other and kill each other off. There is no reason to risk any more American lives trying to save them from themselves. Just make it clear that any attacks on American interests coming from the country will result in our carpet bombing the whole place. Maybe if we make it clear that they will all be out at risk if they continue to tolerate the action of the fanatics, they will do something to put an end to the fanatics themselves.
First punish those Saudi, Kuwaiti, UAE and other rich Islamic religious Nazis, who funded their Islamic extremist versions of Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques in our streets!
These mosques are infidels' hate and killer training centers.
Punish those also who atttend these mosques.
If Bibles and churches and others religious groups holy scriptures and places are not permitted in Saudi Arabia and other ME nations, their Quran and mosques have no places in our nations.
No one-way streets any more!
I'm a Muslim myself and I just want to say that to those people who are saying things such as "Burn a Bible, no one cares, but burn one of their books and they all go psycho" isn't true at all because I do care if a Bible was being burnt. I would try to stop it. I understand that Islam is the most misunderstood religion of all because of all the extremists, along with the crazy things going on in this world, but all of us who follow Islam are not like that. I was born and raised in America and I grew up believing that all religions, all colors, and all races should be given respect and should be treated equally. Of course it hurts me when I hear about a Quran being burnt but honestly, it also hurts me to know that somewhere a heartless person is burning the Bible. I'm sure there are many Christians in the world who stand up against the burning of a Bible along with the burning of a Quran. So much for a peaceful religion huh? Well ever heard the saying "love is like a wild rose, beautiful and calm, but willing to draw blood in its defense"? No matter if it's love for a person, thing, or even religion- love is love and it will do anything to defend itself. Most of my best and most truest friends are Christians and I would never approve of the Bible being burned nor do I approve of terrorism. I never understood Christianity until I actually sat down with some of my friends and talked about it or even read the Bible myself and the same goes with Christians, or any other religion. My friends used to be afraid of Muslims because of the things they heard and grew up to believe but once they understood it for themselves, they saw Islam in a better point of view. It doesn't mean you have to convert to our religion but at least try to understand it. Anyways, I know that many people have hatred in their hearts towards Islam, and that's perfectly fine, but all I would like to say is that not all of us Muslims are terrorists nor are we all violent people. I also have family that I lost in the 9/11 attacks so I can understand how some of you may feel..but I just hope that I didn't offend anyone at all by what I said.
What a joke....first our leader ( President Obama) apologising for the US soldiers burning of the quran but it's OK to blow away these idiots who are reading this book and now instead of praising our brave soldiers...our government is going to reprimand the five US soldiers for burning the stinking quran.
What law was broken by these five soldiers for burning the stupid quran really. These guys put their lives on the line and now they are being investigated for burning a book??? A stupid useless meaningless fairytale crap......A Playboy magazine has more value and more useful than the quran.
May Allah lick my salty balls and kiss my hairy ass.
I'm a Liberal and I agree with wolfpack. Another user named Tim I believe said that at some point "burning quarans will be our fault for the deaths" - how so? If I burn a quaran, I'm not the one overreacting and killing people. They want to act like a bunch of adult babies, whereas the rest of the world is acting mature for the most part. Those Middle Easterns need to frankly GROW UP.
To:descrs-1664846
Let me see if I get this straight. In your moronic view these american troops are the ones responsible for the 8 dead people, not the jackasses that rioted and actually did the killing. WOW, you actually believe this? These animals only exist for the chance to riot and kill some innocent bystander. No wait--in their eyes anyone that does not follow their faith deserves to die and are not innocent. As to the articles statement that no criminal charges will be brought, just exactly what crime was committed? If these animals can not learn to live in peace and harmony with everyone else in the world we should do the world a favor by loading up the b52s with neutron bombs and wiping out every last one of them.
wolfpack2000: I agree with you.
But I would support Shiites first and see that they kill, burn and blow up as many Sunnis as possible.
These Sunni bigoted Islamic beasts can't even tolerate a far better leader Assad in Syria than most of their Sunni rulers.
Yours will be last step in long sequence!
Hayseed and DB425
I think you two are attacking Ido incorrectly. Evenn though Ido is not an Obama fan, they are stating the case that burning his picture by people who are now killing for burning the Quran is a problem.
There is not much actually said in this article. And with little to no information, how can reason prevail? Of course, from all the posts here, "reason" seems to be in short supply overseas, and here.
As a retired military man, I do not know the average young, (and I don't know if these five were young,) soldiers were tasked with the "burning of contraband," or just overseeing, (read "guard,") the destruction, by incineration, of prison contraband. This will become part of a military investigation that is ongoing right now.
I do know that if they were just part of the guard detail, then they were following orders, and as such, must not be held responsible.
Another fact I do know, the politicians and news media want to keep it going so they can sway public opinion in their favor, one way or another.
Just be sensible, and don't jump to ANY conclusions, without the facts.
No ill will - just an honest mistake. Remember the pictures of Americans standing around in shock after 9/11, crying and asking "why do they hate us so much"? Sniffle, sniffle. Remember this and the pictures of the marines urinating on dead bodies in Afganistan so that the next time the terrorists decide to make an unscheduled landing into some American buildings or maybe a nuclear reactor or two you won't have to ask why. Sniffle. And remember this trash that we let loose in the Middle East the next time you want to kid yourself and pretend that you're superior to anyone in the Middle East or anywhere else. Animals.
Funny how burning a Quran upsets the President, but the burning of our flag or bibles doesn't faze him in the least. That's really sad....His Muslimness is kinda showing...
dano - Ever notice how he refers to one book as "the holy Koran" and the other as "the Bible"?
To the rest of you, it was the people cleaning out the cells of things left behind, including the written in (previously desecrated) books, that burned these items. If the prisoners left them there, they did not want them and they are considered abandoned property, so there is no fault of burning "other peoples property", just as there is no fault in disposing of trash picked up off the sides of the roads here in the US. And those that point out that the cowards in these riots are probably the same morons who burn their own churches down just because they are a different sect, burning hundreds of Korans in the process, are absolutely correct. You can't blame the US Military for the stupidity of those people.
How sad................. think of all the canaries hopping around on cold steel in the bottom of bird cages that could have been lined with pages from the Koran.
Please....some one tells me what the hell are we doing here in this god forsaken country. The marines are trained to kill the enemies and not worrying hurting their feeling by burning a damn book. How about if we start taking away all the weapons and tells the boys to start throwing rocks at the enemy instead.
Our Government is being control by a bunch of PUSSY. We are here to fight and not playing grabbass with the fuking enemy. Our soldiers are dying left and right and our government is worrying about not offending anyone.....Are you friggin serious???
If our government want the boys to fight than let them fight.....if not, then bring them all home already because if we start worrying about not offending people then a lot of our boys will die for your stupidity.
You could have worded it better in expressing your views wolfpack. You have put forth some strong emotional arguments in defending your views. And mostly I agree! We should get our troops to hell out of there. There are no helping people who do not want to be helped. First and foremost. Anyone who has read the Koran with an open mind will come away with one overwhelming fact. It calls for the death of anyone who will not convert to Islam. That sets it at odds with everyone calling it a peaceful religion. It calls for spreading Islam world wide and killing anyone who get in the way! There would not be any freedom as we know it, women would have no rights, and forget about the right to make your own decisions! All aspects of your life would be governed by the clergy.
Once you understand all of this, it makes you wonder what the hell Obama and his cronies think they are doing. He wants a dialog with the Muslim brotherhood and calls what is happening over there an Arab spring! His loyalties seem to lie not with us but with our enemies! While they are burning Christian churches and killing the worshipers Obama is apologizing for burning a Koran.
I say, go Israel! With Gods help, you, and we as well will persevere!
Were is the apology from Karzi for the death of the Americans over a book getting burnt? Seriously???
you expect a real apology from the U.S. puppet "karzi" ? are you serious? any U.S. troops getting killed while occupying another country are victims of our foreign policy. bring the troops home and they won't be getting killed anymore ...
Hello Erich John there is one thing you are forgetting we could bring all of our troops home but just remember one thing you think 9/11 was terrible this country hasn't seen nothing yet. if the Government does decide to bring all the troops home all Hell will break loose not only overseas but here in the U.S.A. as well. it will make 9/11 look like a dream.
Our soldiers without Bibles fixed the golden toiltes of the Kuwaiti Sunni beastly ruler with 65 plus wives at one time.
More than 30000 poor soldiers without Bibles were stationed in Saudi Arabia for guarding their Sunni Islamic religious beastly ruler, 5000 princes and princesses, their Islamic clerics with their Qurans and their holy places, Mecca and Medina from Saddam and his forces.
First try the key Saudi rulers and their clerics for denying the basic rights of US soldiers and humliating us by denying our basic right to practice a religion.
9/11 was due to the Saudis, Pakis and the UAE beast rulers were involved in the financial routing and transfers.
Who are these Islamic religious Nazis, especially Sunnis ones, to dictate what we should do, how should we conduct and have their hater and killer training Saudi funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques in our streets?
I say bring home the troops and then let them ( ASH-CAN-I-STANIS ) know we mean business? But we can't because Obama will apologize yet again for us protecting " OUR " freedom not his? And I to will address the " Commander in Chicken " so called Mr. Obama as MR. and not the PRESIDENT because he to prove to the AMERICANS CITIZENS that he is the leader of this " GREAT "country. And since he has been the PREZ, this great country has gone down the tubes. Lets all vote him out of our white house and this country because it is ours. I am tired of him apologizing for someone else's mistakes. Goes to show you he is not an " AMERICAN CITIZEN" because he wants to bring this country down and he has proven this already? Their is proof of this. " GOD BLESS AMERICA "...
Should give them a cookie for this
@cowboywhey: Ash Can I Stanis? Really? That makes no sense. You're an idiot
@eric john.
So by that standard should we as a nation be able to do harm to those lumps of human waste occupying the cities of America and destroying everything in their wake? They are victims of their own stupidity.
Love ya,
America is and always will be the GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE EARTH!
God Bless America and our Troops.
F**k them.......I would burn every Quran I could get my hands on over and over again! Whats the difference when they burn the Holy Bible or the American flag? Obama needs to get his head out of his a$$ and start acting like a respectable American! God bless our Troops and God Bless America!!
Hey Porkchop......you're the idiot......thanks cowboywhey!
umm....as a Muslim I would never burn the bible. We Muslims believe the bible to be the true book of God and it would be a sin for me to desecrate it. I was born and raised as a Muslim in a Muslim household and in our house the Bible and the Quran sit together on the top shelf...your ignorance my friend is blocking your intelligence.
@Bunkie,
Well said !!! My thoughts exactly.
I was a grunt in Vietnam. Had I been able to offer my services in this latest war against muslims, I surely would have went. Had I in this war got my hands on any of their filthy quaran books, I would have burned tehm happily in pig grease.We are fighting muslim and any way to harass tehm is ok in my book, adn that includes burning, urinating or whatever on the quaran.If I sound a little bitter, you can bet on that. I thought it was pretty low of our president to apologise.
What a filthy, disgusting post - unworthy of a true American, unworthy of a human. Shameful.
Oh give him a pass, agent orange does that to a person...
you're the disgusting one Boyarina, billybee actually DID something for his country and he's correct, these boys are going to get thrown under the bus and no one including you is going to give them a second thought.
billybee did something for the world's elites. Not for America.
Or did you think the ideologies used as excuses to send these kids to their deaths were something more than ideologies used as excuses to send these kids to their deaths?
I absolutely regret this unfortunate event, because in one motion, it undid every positive thing that's been accomplished by American occupation of a foreign country. There weren't many positives, but those that were there are now negated. Very unfortunate, for Afghans and for western economies.
Bilal-19,
Billybee was asked to serve his country and he did honorably. Maybe you should learn something and do the same. Bring the draft back!!!
Billy,
If someone told that he will shTTTT and urinate on your book, I geuss you will be offended. No muslim around the world will say something like that (to make a point: HATE) because the politiciens are telling you to do so.
if you don't like 1.6 billion muslim....you have a problems. Oh the muslim believes that the Bible (Jesus) and the Torah (Moses) as the words of God too...
finally, you represent your own opinion not the American.
if you didn't get my point, your point is pointless.
Bilal-19. There were no positives there. What would have happened if America got all chummy with these people and civilians started heading over there. Then one of those wacko nutjobs flips out over some small thing and then how many dead Americans would there be. They make no distinction between soldiers that assume the risks of the job or a family of tourists. Something will always set them off because they are violent by nature. I think it's best to pull out before anything more happens because people all around the world are getting tired of Muslims due to their inability or lack of desire to co-exist with any other people on the planet.
Boricua,
Its unfortunate that you believe that. Especially you. Do you not know your own peoples' history? Do you not see the parallels between your peoples' history and what is happening in the world now?
I'll leave it at that.
Cmon Nuffsnuff. You make one point worth responding to, then you reveal your true nature.
I don't have time for bigots. If you think an average human being on planet earth is any different from another average human being on planet earth, then you're not worth responding to.
does not matter if they burn piece of papers, but you do not kill people or burn or put people in jail for piece of papers, in the middle east killed Christians and burn their churches and with it tons of bibles and tons of icons of saints, they throw Christians children out of the balconies in Egypt and also in Iraq, how come we did not see Christians are killing Muslims or protesting or killing , Jesus teach us how to love not to kill , any way some where the kind of teaching need to be change that is the only solution for muslims, look how bad they kill and kidnap Christians teen ages girls and convert them to Muslims, like Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq and the whole middle east is disgusting.
First of all Bilal, if you think this 'event' had anything to do with causing this furor, then I'm afraid I can't take any of your posts seriously. It's being used as an excuse, but nothing would have even come of it if it hadn't been for the Taliban and the Imams inciting these riots. The average Afghan is too ignorant to have even realize what happened, or have an independent thought other than what these Imams tell them to think. Oh, and Karzi, I'm sure he had a lot to do with it. After all, he's double-dealing with the Taliban to save his own skin and keep his fortune when we leave.
Second, billybee's comment about Muslims IS pertinent here. If you think these Muslims are going to be grateful for ANYTHING we've done for them, you have your head where the sun don't shine! Do they appreciate us saving their asses from Qaddafi? Do the Egyptians appreciate that we threw our friend Mubarak under the bus for them? Do you really think the Syrians would be our friends if we went over and saved them from Assad? These are Muslims we're talking about...they're too ignorant to be happy that we removed them from under the thumb of the Taliban. They day after we leave, they'll welcome those scum back with open arms.
Someone who doesn't know their enemy has already lost, and you apparently don't.
Another bigot. Duly noted.
The FULL quotes:
The average Afghan is too ignorant to have even realize what happened, or have an independent thought... other than what these Imams tell them to think.
And; These are Muslims we're talking about...they're too ignorant...to be happy that we removed them from under the thumb of the Taliban
Lies by ommision, otherwise known as taking out of context. Yes, you MUST be a Republican. Anyway, as I said before, you already lost. Duly noted.
@bilal-19 another slave. duly noted.
Labeling others bigots to get them to shut up.Duly noted and worn out
The only reason we're still in Afghanistan is to control the opium. The only reason we were in Vietnam was to control the opium. Lets stop BSing each other about why we're still over there.
When I read the article - I thought they were NOT going to be punished or named. They accidentally burned the Qur'ans - they are not the "caught with pants down" boys or the "kill team" boys - all who got off with demotions for murder. These "boys" will not be punished - if anyone should be, it would be the idiot that told them to burn them. These men will be OK - as they should be.
That's a first.
That's a clever comeback.
Quack like a duck and people will call you a duck... I used to waste my time debating with bigots but its useless. That's all.
u.s military did not burn quran, burnt exxtremist views of quran, which are not true quran per muslims. therefore muslims should not be upset except those extremists, who are truly non muslims. it also appears that purpose of u.s to encourage muslims to be a true good muslims have not succeded yet, so u.s can not withdraw her troops for an indefinite time. u.s and nato will have to stay there with help of other foreign powers such as russia, china, india and pakistan until u.s purpose is fullfilled to abolish islamic extremists being truly non-muslims, produced by madrasas.
If you have Pakistan as an ally, you can't expect India, Russia and China's help!
Here China's help will be only limited as they don't get involved any where too much these days.
Let there be no two doubts here.
When Shiites and Sunnis blow up mosques of each other, especially on Fridays, are these Qurans taken out first?
If you go on bending to the loads of craps from these Islamic religious Nazis, there are no limits.
Just say: Go to hell!
Let us see how high they jump!
Moonqueen, and how many thousands of years will that take and how many thousands of American lives will be lost trying to accomplish the virtually impossible? If the true Muslims want the non-Muslim extremists gone, then the true Muslims need to make it happen... not the rest of the world.
Would the Quran burning protestors be placated if the American military agreed to burning an equal number of bibles? Just a thought...god belief is SO stupid.
"Declaring themselves to be wise, they became fools." Romans 1.22
Just a thought from God Almighty, who can not lie.
We already do that, all trash in war zones is required to be burned, apparently President Obama has endowed all Korans with a superliberty interest that grants the mass produced book certain inalienable rights otherwise reserved only to persons within the United States. But what can a person expect from an Indonesian? E.g., [President Obama routinely orders burning of Bibles as trash] “ The decision was made that it was a force protection measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims,’ Wright told CNN on Tuesday. [¶ ] ‘Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash,’ Wright said.” CNN (May 22 2009) “Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan.” Retrieved Apr. 10, 2011 from http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
Leroy Brown... The Obama Admin already told the U.S. force to burn thousands of Bible in Afghans. Obama didn't want to get his Muslim buddies mad.
I'm sure Obama has nothing more to do than order people to burn Bibles in Afghanistan. What a load of ignorance but I'm not suprised coming from another Republican. Geeezzzz.... I guess the current Republican candidates really do represent their followers.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
um listen I am a Muslim and believe the Bible is God's book and would do anything to protect it. As Muslims we would never burn the Bible because that would be considered a sin....Islam views the Bible as a book of God, ask any Muslim. Seriously you guys need to get a decent education on the subject before your tongues are allowed to speak.
then why is it illegal to have one in Saudi Arabia ?
So what was the reason for the Quran ? man had a book from G*d already.
That would be under the percepts of Islamic law (sharia) we, in a secular nation, take no orders from the black stone of the kabba (otherwise known as "allah")
Does he represent Saudi Arabia?
THERE IS SOMETHING VERY VITAL THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE KORAN BURNING IN AFGHANISTAN...The U.S. military, the U.S. government and NATO all claim it was a "MISTAKE"... and they also claim that the reason the Korans and additional religious material were incinerated, was because they suspected them to hold "secret codes" from or to Al Qaida and/or the Taliban... something along those lines.....Well here comes my questions....If indeed they contained secret codes from or to Al Qaida and/or the Taliban, then why burn them? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to break those codes, and to keep the material for investigative purposes? This is VERY fishy, and doesn't make any sense at all... "Mistake".... I don't think so...
The soldiers accused of burning them mistook it for garbage. If they themselves had know that those particular Korans were holding "secret codes" they probably wouldn't have burned them.
Also, the books were found in an office. So they probably were being used as investigative material.
You are correct. At least keep the Korans as it is a no brainer to not burn a scripture of the religion of the country you are fighting in.
They were said to contain extremist messages, not "secret codes." So, the books had been defaced already.
boyarina, newsflash -All korans are garbage and need a good burning ..
He*l Yeah!!! Burn each and every one of them....then we can burn all those Qurans.....LOL
Mountainmike how do you dispose of a defaced bible without defiling it? You burn it. Fire purifies
Not fishy at all they took away the ones that had the "codes" replaced them with new. It is done in American prisons all the time if the bibles get used that way.
If we go on doing hair-splitting, these Islamic Nazis will keep us busy all along our lives!
If mistakes don't happen during tough battles, when do they happen?
Boyrina,there you go using common sense which will confuse a lot of people on this blog that have not been taught to think for themselves.,I will bet the majority of the people on here hating those Afghans just because the US govenment has used methods to make them hate someone that they never have met could even find Afgan.on the map.
I think this is a nice CYA by our government... I would like to "think" this is what really happened. However, if this was NOT an accident, these 5 troops and everyone on here who supports what they did is RESPONSIBLE for the ensuing deaths of our soldiers. Everyone KNOWS how they respond to this sort of activity and to intentionally stir something like this up makes it MORE dangerous for our troops. If you want to burn the Quran, then buy one, bring it home to the U.S., buy a case of beer, have a party on the back deck and burn the heck out of it! But you don't do it in Afghanistan unless you are just plain stupid and do not care about your fellow soldiers!
I agree with Rick and start bur**g Quran in each and every place.
These most ungrateful and shameless people on earth want our help at every step.
They come to us by weeping, chest beating, showing children and women and of course, Sunni Saudi beasts and their pals throw around money and go back to their seventh century desert dances.
Even for hiding they use our nations.
Look at Somalis, Pakis (their biggest backstabber and criminal Gen Mush is hiding in London), Kuwaiti and rich sharks with their seventh century desert robes in the US during 1991 Iraqi wars and other times!
Look at shameless dramas being played in Syria and Iran.
Where are the shameless and most ungrateful seventh century dress and mindset Sunni Saudi, Arab League brave rulers and soldiers?
Why can't these ungrateful beasts handle a simple tyrant like Assad?
Give these men a metal!
Agreed, a metal bullet in the heart.
you mean Medal?
That's medal you moron.
I vote that we give them some iridium.
This is a different version of events from last week. Last week it was released that the books were to be destroyed because of "extremist" scribblings on pages by some prisoners. Book burning is a bit of an extreme reaction to prisoner scribblings. The Afghan public is getting fed up.
So to all you smart guys who like to blab and bragg about how we should burn this and kill that group - how do you like the fact that such stupidity got some innocent young Americans killed - dead you understand? Their families mourning their terrible loss because some stupid, thoughtless morons thought it would be cute to burn their holy books - accident my a**. It was done on purpose and every American knows it.
The terrible violent Afghanis threaten our poor maltrained, misarmed troops and we The United States of American must quake in fear of the very real anger of the terrible terrible powerful Afghani? I can't believe I am hearing this crap from a President of the United States. We must immediately abandon liberty because liberty displeases our Afghani masters. Our brother Moslems in Afghanistan are displeased, displeased, troops are in danger from Afghanis. They bombed us you bunch of panty waist jackasses.
This just an example of how quickly Muslim nation's public get fed up and one-sided they can be!
A few days back, the refugees in Afghan camps were asking for the "outside agencies help during cold winter."
Where are the Saudi and Paki Islamic religious beasts and their Crescents and their Ramadan style soap operas?
Sunni Syrian rebels in Lebanon were screaming and protesting demanding US and allies help!
Do these people think: they own the US and allies and other non-Muslim nations?
Do we owe them anything except bombing some of their places in return for their terrorists bombings?
Can't wait for the fallout when our great apologizer hands these troops over to the Afghan law enforcement who will then execute these 5 troops. It will be a tragedy but it will be very telling...
No US soldiers in Afghan courts no matter what the hysteria masters at Foxnews say. Obama apologized just as Bush did whenMarines used Korans for target practice. Karzai was a US gov't employee and now the viceroy of Afghanistan- it's all theatre for the Afghan public forst and secondly the world. So what.
I wonder if the execution those who did? the burning along with the OIC would suffice for the Afghanistanies? I doubt it.
Morgs, if you're just here to troll, you'd be better off letting the grown-ups do the talking.
I can complete understand how the Qurans came to the incinerator. Someone collected the Qurans- not to be burned. Stored them in the office- temporarily. The soldiers on the cleanup detail were not informed of the Qurans but directed to clean the facility. Large black trash bags in hand, and in a hurry to get this detail done, the crew stuffed what they thought was trash into the bags. The 'old books' stored in the office were just more trash. Full bags taken to incinerator, where the local nationals are busy burning the trash.
The local nationals, see the Qurans burning and rescue them from the fire.
Someone of course spread the word that the Americans were burning Qurans.
Unfortunately, the soldier who cleaned out the office did not recognize the 'old books' as Qurans that should not be burned as trash.
It will be good when the U.S. military is out of Afghanistan.
Morgs, if the president turned over the suspected soldiers to the Afghan government,he would be impeached...and even good lifelong Democrats like me would support the impeachment. And if any newspaper even printed their names, the editors should be arrested as accessories to murder. Free speech does not give anyone the right to yell "kill them!" in a crowded Mosque.
I would like to see these involved individuals to be assigned to guard duty outside of a mosque. We would then know, if their earlier actions were unintentional.
So you want them to be kidnapped and killed? Because having them stand outside a mosque would be a death sentence for what they allegedly done.
You are an IDIOT.
Common Good, I really believe the best part of you ran down your mothers leg and ended up as a stain on the mattress. What a douche bag!
No mistake at all. I cannot believe the military is being forced to even look at it. The heck with all of them over there. Let them live in their own cess pool and let's stay the heck out of it.
What an ungracious group of people. Americans have given their lives so that these people could live a better one and they respond to this with absolute stupidity.
Wait. People actually believe that?
IF you listen to Limbaugh and watch Foxnews enough, you can be brainwashed into Bill's militant American vainglorious view of the rest of the world and its people.
Your a DOU...BAG! I am sure you are talking about Bill Maher, right?
Maybe if we had a trial for them, and allowed the Afgan government to be on the panel to deside if they were guilty, and what approprate punishment should be for them. That way, the Afgan people would be happier, and it would go a lot further than just saying we're sorry. We'd restore a lot of faith in the US overseas that way.
Chirs150 - Are you nuckin' futz? Our military leaders and our political leaders are a bunch of pussies. Burn every koran we can find. Feed'em to pigs! Scortched earth from one side to the other till the whole fetid country is nothing but hot coals. Then head for home. I'm sick up to here with the with the whole stinkin' mess.
@Christ150 - the appropriate punishment for them under Afghan law is death. Why should anybody die for burning a book, intentional or not?
The Afghan people want blood. Even if they could kill those 5 soldiers they still would not be happy. They like conflict and bloodshed. Any reason in their book is a good reason.
Ok Chris, put the bong down and turn off the computer before you hurt yourself. Really let these freaking muslim hillbillies judge us? Most can't read, they play soccer with a dead goat, and stone their women to death for doing crazy stuff like going to school. So if they burned a box of Bibles would you say try them or would you be one of those people saying that the Christians needed to get over it?
chirs150--send you over to them, put you on trial, let the people there decide your fate, then dutifully execute your sentence. There make them muslims happy, leave our military alone. So fed up with all the whinny American babies so afraid of joining the military, but the first to tell them how they should act in a hateful, nasty, dirty place as the middle east. Before you criticize our fighting men and women you had better have the balls, backbone or whatever, to do what they do every day there in the middle east. If all the high and mighty bleeding hearts would stay out of our military's way then this war would have been over within a couple of years. This is war and they declared it on us, not the other way around, we do not need to worry about what the people think of us, we should not care.
Chris150 Maybe we should give them Obama,he is commander and chief, its his fault our troops are still there, and we could throw in all of Obama's czars, that might appease these pagan brainwashed idiots,and it would make many Americans happy,we could start out fresh rebuilding America.
Chirs150 is probably a msnbc paid troll.
A trial for WHAT? What law was broken? Some of you bleeding hearts really need to try and collect enough brain cells to have an intelligent thought.
I'm just saying if they felt like they had a say in the trial and punishment, it would breed good will. Perhaps the afghan leaders would hear the other side of the story and be merciful toward the accused. You never know until you try it. Beisdes good will is what will win the hearts and minds of the people over, and we should at least try.
Whomever was just following orders, it was NOT done intentionally. For the afghans to expect to persecute the personnel involved is over the top. If they want to prosecute some of the american soldiers for a mistake, then do we get to prosecute afghans for similar issues?
Well t is their holy book, and quite the crime in their world, so understandable.
How can you say we should turn our soldiers over to them? After the first casualty of this incident I would have torched the place. Much worse is done to us and we just turn the other cheek. Un grateful bastards. I say let the troops have at em!!!!!!!!!!
So they found their scapegoat. Sorry boys, you didn't really think your country gave a @!$%# did you?
Did you expect any different? Remember none of these idiots ever served this country at the same level. Oh and before you repubs start chiming in, you need to look at all the people in the government. How many of them served in the same capacity, very few that I can tell you. All of the old soldiers can tell you!
I've been out for over thirty yrs. now and I've always advocated that if our men/women are sent into a war, or conflict; it should be done by people whom have served. Can we actually say what we're there for, other than what we're being told? Remember people propaganda is one of the biggest tools used in a war.
Yeah I know all about 911 so I don't need to be reminded, I also know that the people involved were 14 Saudis and 5 Egyptians. Also when they did their review of the investigation it was noted that the Saudi's were the responsible party for the funding of it.
Hard to see any Afghanis in that group, let alone an Iraqi. So really what are we doing in that country, other than occupying it. We don't really know do we? Democracy, please they were never intrested in that, not once did I see on tv where they asked us to come and help their country become civil. Bring our kids home and let the governments figure it out for themselves.
Contact our government by what ever means neccessary and let them know if they are to keep them there, then lift the R.O.E. and re-enact the draft with no deferments for no-one and a 13 month infantry position for everyone. That should take care of it, as, they will not send their own.
Exactly darrell war is easy when you send other people to do it.
This story and the story about some our troops urinating on Afghans that they shot and killed are symptoms of a QUAGMIRE. What do we need as a wake up call to pull out of Afghanistan? Quagmires are demoralizing for troops because there is no way to simply "win" and leave. Instead, we are there supporting a corrupt Karzai government with American lives. We've been there going on a decade. Will Afghanistan become the new South Korea type of perennial quagmire?
The fact that they found five soldiers doesn't impress me. I'll be impressed when they say they found the officer that gave the order.
Hang on... so if I read this article right (or it was wrote accurately), our soldiers merely threw out the Qurans? They didn't burn them? The contract Afghans did - or begun to?
Furthermore, our soldiers didn't desecrate the Qurans either, but rather the Muslim detainees did?
Ok... I get all the outrage.
/not /sarcasm.
Look these folks have burned pictures of Obama and our flag. We can trade these 5 for the Afghans that did that.
I'm with you JRM. Why aren't they asking for the lives of those that wrote in the Qurans?! Isn't that against their crazy rules about that book?! This whole outrage thing is really pissing me off.
These soldiers did not break any law. There is NO law on US ground that says people cannot burn the quaran or bible. They were on US soil as we all know the US abides by that policy when it comes to foriegners on their embassy property.
These soldiers SHOULD not be punished.
It's against the Afghan law to do so, as with any of our soldiers in Japan or Korea or Germany, if they break that particular countries laws they will be held accountable for their actions. I'm in no way trying to defend this and I think burning any book should be allowed, its not in Afghanistan and we are suppose to uphold laws of countries we are stationed in.
and that's exactly why we pulled out of Iraq. Iraq wasn't willing to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) that would protect our soldiers from the dumb a$$ laws that they have. I'm with those who have said enough is enough. Let them have their country and let's get the hell out of there. Isn't it enough that there have been almost 75,000 injuries plus, how many deaths already. Let's bring all our troops home and work on protecting our own country. Of course, the first people we need to protect the people from is our own Congress.
The sad thing is our government will throw these boys under the bus to appease the middle east.
They deserve to be thrown under the bus. Their action caused many people to die, and I bet if it were one of your love ones you might feel differently. I'm sure that the families of the two reporters who lost their lives behind this stupidity don't feel bad about these boys being thrown under the bus. Sure they may not not wish them dead, but a slap on the risk is mild considering the outcome.
As military personnell they should know that such actions could produce this end result. Anytime you travel to a foreign country you must respect their laws and customs, and know what would be offensive in nature. If they were children, I could overlook this transgression, but they are adults and know better than this. Now I know that some of you wish to appear patriotic, but it's disgusting and immoral to condone these individuals considering the outcome.
They should be dishonorably discharged.
Dishonorably discharged for throwing out trash? It is disgusting that Obama without having all the facts threw out the apology. It is disgusting that Afghan soldiers turned their guns on our boys killing them. Where is the outrage from you on this? I would give these 5 brave soldiers medals. Muslims desecrated their holy book not Americans. Something that is lost on you.
OK, I'll pretend to be ignorant for your sake, and assume that they had no idea that those Korans were in the trash, which they took out to burn. In that case, a reprimand would be extreme punishment. The fact that they are being reprimanded, conveys that they knew what they were burning, otherwise the command would have simply counseled them and left at that.
People like yourself are dangerous, because you only see things from your own twisted point of view. Your mistakes are not accidents, but purposeful acts that you carry out for your own pleasure. As long as they are carried-out against people you hate you will always justify them.
Suggesting that you would give them medals, supports the concept of F up and move up, something that should never be handed out for mistakes, accidents or any act that discredits the United States. Supporting F ups don't make you patriotic, or a loyal American and trust me, no soldier is going to recommend them for anything soon.
You are all the stupidest idiots I have ever read posts from on here.
1. We should leave them to their fate? THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT
2. Anyone who publishes the names of the soldiers should be shot? Anyone who punishes them for doing this stupid thing should be shot? WHAT IS THIS, AFGHANISTAN? You bloodthirsty animal!
3. Grunt in Vietnam, you would desecrate a holy book? THIS IS WHY THEY BURN OUR FLAGS. THIS IS WHY THEY DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS You have no respect for anyone (obviously), and you disgust me.
shaddupayouface..... you annoy me........
I was taught to respect to PEOPLE. Not objects like books.
I personally don't give a @!$%# if they burn our flag.
It's obvious that most Americans don't care either. You don't see angry swarms of Americans trying to club the nearest Middle Easterner.
Anybody willing to kill over a burned book, or any other object for that matter, has no sense of self control.
This whole flap supports, once again, my conviction that Islam has been corrupted into IDOL WORSHIP. I don't believe that that is their intention, but effectively, they not only worship their God (Allah), but they also worship their book, the Quran, and their prophet, Mohammed.
The above is rubbish!
Two days ago an article was seeded showing hundreds of Qurans in a sewage filled canal
http://krishna109.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/29/10541076-why-are-pakistanis-throwing-away-100s-of-korans-into-sewage-filled-canal
In another article, I posted a link showing that the Taliban had bombed hundreds of girls schools so what of the qurans destroyed in the schools?
What of the attacks they carry out inside mosques?
These people are nothing but hypocrites who use their religion when it suits them and ignore it when it doesn't.
Similar to Americans and their selective outrage over the use of military force against civilians. IF the US military does it- March 2003's celebrated Shock and Awe bombardment killing 30,000 Iraqis in and around Baghdad as Bush publicly stated- it's patriotic and rah, rah flag worship. If Syria's Assad puts down a rebellion- it's a war crime.
'Us people' tend to consider 'these people' as one homogeneous amalgamation of a 'people'. I'm pretty sure 'these people' look at 'us people' the same way. At least the closed-minded among them... I guess its easier for some folks to keep the thinker turned off huh?
Remind me, do the American public go out and kill non-Americans in their outrage?
Does the average Afghan?
Bilal
I invite you to look at the sentence I quoted
Who is this us you're referring to?
It's referring to the beliefs of Muslims as a religious group, my link and comments show Muslim actions re the Quran and specifically the actions of the Taliban.
Would these include those calling for the punishment of the American troops involved?
Are you claiming that my examples are inaccurate?
Are you saying that there were no Qurans in the sewage filled ditch?
Are you saying that the Taliban didn't bomb hundreds of girls schools?
Are you saying that the Taliban and other Muslim groups don't carry out attacks inside Mosques?
Did I say the average?
I said "Remind me, do the American public go out and kill non-Americans in their outrage?"
In response to your first reply to me, I'm saying that its pretty stupid to homogenize two billion people.
I'm saying that the Taliban doesn't have two billion members.
I'm saying that the taliban is not representative of the billions of Arabs, Central Asians, Pacific Islanders, Aryans, North Africans, Sub-Saharan Africans, Europeans, Native Americans, and all of their intermixed, diasporic cousins across the globe, that also call themselves Muslim.
I'm saying that Pakistan isn't Afghanistan.
I'm saying that ITS PRETTY SAD THAT I HAVE TO SPELL OUT WHAT SHOULD BE COMMON SENSE TO YOU!
As for your second response, yes the american public do go out an commit hate killings against non-americans, and even against americans. I'm saying that again, you can't generalize, but of course that's only common sense to most of us.
You are indeed a fine mess.
Again I direct you to the quoted sentence
Does that refer to some of them, or does it refer to all?
This article is about Muslim reactions to the so called desecration of their so called holy book, my comments and link are examples of how this so called holy book has been treated.
Yet they are Muslims
Again I'm forced to point out that the article states that
I have proved that this isn't the case, hence my charge of hypocrisy.
Could you provide proof that American civilians murdered foreign individuals in response to, as you put it
You still haven't answered the following
Are you claiming that my examples are inaccurate?
Are you saying that there were no Qurans in the sewage filled ditch?
Are you saying that the Taliban didn't bomb hundreds of girls schools?
Are you saying that the Taliban and other Muslim groups don't carry out attacks inside Mosques?
Bilal-19
Homogenize - as in milk? Purchase a dictionary.
If 2 billion people believe the same ideology then I would say that these people are all the same. I'm pretty sure that the Muslims in Pakistan are currently cheering for the Muslims in Afghanistan, just in the same way you are ignoring the murder of US Soldiers. See you're all the same.
"Could you provide proof that American civilians murdered foreign individuals in response to, as you put it"
Correction to the above this was by DOU44 and not by Bilal, you simply supported DOU by answering so I'll have to come up with something else to ask you
Are you claiming that American civilians turn out in mobs as we've seen in Afghanistan, attacking and murder foreigners in their outrage, again as we've seen in Afghanistan?
It's a matter of like for like.
Typical 'ugly American' comment. 1.4m people murdered in Iraq by the US and all your type seem to be concerened is the 'cost' of the bullits, missiles and jet fuel. Let's face it the Great Satan is so far from God and so close to the murderous Jews that it feels that murdering Arabs in order to make the Middle East safer for Jewish terrorism is 'honoring' God - somehow.
Is this directed at me?
I don't happen to be American.
There may have been 1.4m people killed in Iraq but most of them were killed by Iraq's.
Well it does all add up and this is our tax money being spent, personally I wouldn't have bothered, I'd would have left Saddam in place.
You don't seem to realize that not all Jews are Israeli
Under the European working definition of anti-Semitism your above comment is classed as anti-Semitic.
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antisemitism/EU-definition-of-antisemitism.htm
Here's a link to the original
http://fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/material/pub/AS/AS-WorkingDefinition-draft.pdf
You have to ask the person that wrote the quote. Me personally, I take the words therein to be of import. The book itself is merely a physical object. There, only 1.999999 billion muslims to go...
As have I.
No, the article is about Afghan reactions.
Yes I have. If you think the Taliban is representative of all Muslims, or that Pakis and Afghans are the same, then that's a you problem.
Don't be ridiculous it's referring to Muslims, not just some of them but all of them as a group, it's referring to an article of their collective faith re this so called holy book. I stated that the claim
"Muslims consider the Quran the literal word of God and treat each book with deep reverence".
was rubbish and I have provided proof to support my position.
Are you now claiming that they aren't Muslims?
Show me where you answered these questions because I can't find anything that even remotely resembles an answer.
Hey do me a favor, come up with a blanket statement that covers 30% of the human race.
So then we agree? Or is that not allowed in your narrow world?
Eh?
"Muslims consider the Quran the literal word of God and treat each book with deep reverence".
Try to understand, the statement above is referring to all Muslims, not a few or some but all.
Not really as I'm saying that not all of them treat it with deep reverence and you're just reacting to what you perceive as a negative comment about Islam.
These accidental Koran burnings didn't weaken our efforts in Afghanistan...it proved the futility of trying to help Muslims.
Best post of the day!
Yeah if only muslims could 'help' us as much as we have 'helped' them... Or I should say helped ourselves to their oil.
When they murder christians, burn their bibles, slaughter men, women and children it is perfectly okay. Burning their book of the devil however is not.
These people are a cancer to society that will destroy civilization if it not stopped and eradicated. These idiots are still living in the dark ages and can't be brought into this century.
How many men, women and children does one need to slaughter to become a good muslim?
Ask one Sgt. Wutterrich still in the US Marine Corps about the 24 unarmed civilians- elderly and children- he and his underlings killed in Haditha, Iraq in the midst of a temper tantrum.
@DOU44
Two wrongs don't make a right. That action is not becoming of the US or the Marine Corps and he should be punished accordingly.
Now how many unarmed civilians have been killed by these low-life suicidal animals in recent years? Bet you don't have a clue but it's more then 24. We should get the hell out of there and let them kill each other off. That is all they know and all in the name of the same god/demon they all worship.
Why not ask Rep. Murtha about "elderly and children" killed by Marines in Haditha? Oh, that's right, you can't cause that lying sumbitch is dead. Ha ha!
Hey dogface-
Lt. Wuterich is a war criminal. And you're a POS.
Hang them high.
Henrich von Dorf : Perfect last name "Dorf". Well almost perfect. You should change it to Dushbag you sick f_-k.
The books were written in. That goes against Islamic customs. Nobody shall desecrate a Koran in any way, which includes writing in it. It's my understanding that even the Islamic guidelines for disposing of a Koran that's been desecrated IS TO BURN IT. Here's the problem - our inept, incompetent, America hating president apologized before he even educated himself about the situation. (He's constantly apologizing for this country....he's a disgrace and an embarrassment.)
Maybe we should handle the situation like this: First, pull our troops out of Afghanistan.....Second, drop plane-loads of Kurans all over their country with a little note attached. The note would read, "pray earnestly and steadfastly tonight". The following day, you fly fleets of bombers into the area and carpet bomb the place and don't ever look back. And on the fourth day, someone respected and of authority (not Obama, obviously) should stand at a podium and simply say, "we don't take kindly to the burning of our flag, and it will not be tolerated in the future". What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Works for me.