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An image grab taken from a video uploaded on YouTube on March 3, 2012 perportedly shows broken headstones at the Benghazi War Cemetery and the Benghazi British Military Cemetery, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) said. AFP PHOTO/YOUTUBE
Libya's leadership has apologised after armed men smashed the graves of British soldiers killed during World War Two, in acts of vandalism that appeared to be directed against non-Muslims.
Amateur video footage of the attacks, posted on video sharing site YouTube and social networking site Facebook, showed men casually kicking over headstones in a war cemetery and using sledge hammers to smash a metal and stone cross.
One man can be heard saying: "This is a grave of a Christian" as he uprooted a stone headstone from the ground.
Another voice in the footage says of the people buried in the cemetery: "These are dogs."
The attacks happened in the eastern city of Benghazi, near where British and Commonwealth troops fought heavy battles against German and Italian forces during the 1939-45 war.
The BBC reported that the attacks took place at the British Military Cemetery and the War Graves Cemetery.
Britain's Mail on Sunday newsapaper, which reported the attacks on its front page on Sunday, said many of the graves cemetery belong to members of Britain's 7th Armoured Division, known as the Desert Rats, who played a crucial role in the battle for control of Libya and Egypt between 1941 and 1943.
It said the Commonwealth graves there included servicemen from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and India.
The National Transitional Council (NTC), Libya's interim leadership since last year's uprising forced out Muammar Gaddafi, said it would pursue those responsible.
It also apologised for the desecration of Italian graves, although it was not clear where Italian graves had been damaged.
"The NTC apologises for the incident with the foreign graves, especially the British and Italian graves," the council said in a statement. "This action is not in keeping with Islam."
"The NTC will confront this matter and, in line with Libyan law, will pursue those people who committed this act. This action does not reflect Libyan public opinion because Islam calls for respect for other religions."
The NTC has close ties with Western countries after a NATO bombing campaign helped it to oust Gaddafi, and most ordinary Libyans feel no animosity towards the West.
However, a minority of hardline Islamists, who are opposed to any non-Muslim presence and in some cases have formed into heavily-armed militias, have gained ground since Gaddafi's 42-year rule ended last August. The government in Tripoli has struggled to assert its authority over these groups.
Salafists, followers of an ultra-purist interpretation of Islam, have already destroyed several tombs to Muslim holy men in Libya, which they consider to be idolatrous.
The footage posted on Facebook showed about two dozen men in a cemetery in daylight. Several carried Kalashnikov automatic rifles and were wearing the mismatched camouflage uniforms commonly seen on militia members.
In an unhurried and systematic way, they kicked over neatly-arranged rows of headstones. "We will start with this and then carry on," says one voice on the recording. At one point, the person filming the footage also took his boot to a headstone.
Another group had placed a ladder against the large stone and metal cross overlooking the cemetery, and was smashing it with hammers. Several onlookers milled around the cemetery but no one was seen on the footage trying to intervene.
At one point, a voice on the recording says: "Come and see the incription on this ... There is Hebrew writing on it."
In a statement on its website, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission said the cemeteries would be "restored to a standard befitting the sacrifice of those commemorated at Benghazi".
"We will also need to be sure that it's safe for the detailed work to be carried out, but in the meantime we will ensure that temporary markers are erected over the graves," the statement added.
Reuters and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.
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Kick over their graves, burn their Bibles...as Christians we will not murder you as an 'infidel'. We still invite you to the saving knowledge and grace of Christ.
Muslims being Muslims, who are they kidding. They will only search those out that are responsible to reward them. We should have never help these people out with their revolution. We have no friends in the Muslim world and that will never change as their insane worship of the Arab pagan moon god Allah and its child molesting prophet does not allow for them to be civilized.
The war on terrorism has failed. Not only do they not fear us, they have managed to get us to build them new infrastructure, schools, arm their soldiers ect ect ect. We are broke as a country, with the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran as the main beneficiaries of all our efforts.
Just their way of saying, "Thanks" for all the support to overthrow Kaddaffi.
Buffaloful - thank you for summarizing so well
Agree
"This action is not in keeping with Islam." Yes it is, the only problem is that pesky video, otherwise no one would be the wiser.
Who cares? These aren't american graves! On ward Christian soilders............................
Nothing like a "persecuted Christians story" to get the evangelicals all ticked off, on a Sunday of all things!
O.K. I'll put this in perspective for all you nutcases. Vandalism in Christian graveyards happens here too and not by Muslims. By drunk teenagers.
Gotta love how intolerant Muslims are. They want us to tolerate them, but they aren't willing to reciprocate. They go even further than that by advocating the death of all non-Muslims. Why are we even giving these people the time of day? Instead of being politically correct, we should be honest with ourselves and acknowledge that they are our sworn enemy and they won't stop until either they're all dead or we're all dead.
Ah, yes. another Apologist for Islam. There is a concerted effort to drive out or kill Christians throughout Islamist countries in the Middle East. Your moronic comment does not obscure that fact. Have you ever heard of a Coptic Christian? Do you know what is happening to them? I think all that "rockin' with Dokken" (Dokken, for God's sake?) has addled your brain.
Yep , just like the way the Iranians just hung the Christian pastor for not denying Christ and converting to mooselim. Where is the out cry from obannana on this one. I bet you won't hear a peep from him.
"a minority of hardline Islamists, who are opposed to any non-Muslim presence and in some cases have formed into heavily-armed militias, have gained ground since Gaddafi's 42-year rule ended last August."
Slowly Sunni Saudi version of hardline most intolerant Islam is winning.
It happened in Iraq after Saddam's over throw.
It will be repeated in Syria if Assad is over thrown with the US help!
T Melora: I don't see any of your party doing anything about the Christian Pastor where is there out cry, I don't hear a peep from them! tell why the country should vote for your party, this is weak is that all you have to get people to vote?
Buffaloful: You are such a hypocrite. In a post a week ago you were exhorting us to "burn a Koran". Do not try to sell your self as a loving, tolerant Christian.
Hey dale, this just happened a few hours ago. But Christians won't be going around like your peaceful mooselims friends destroying everything in sight because of this. Christians realize there will be persecution if you take a stand for Christ in a country like this. Jesus Himself told us this would happen.
Want to support the "Arab Spring"? Well, here you go, no Saddam, no Mubarak, no Qaddafi, welcome Islamic extremists and oppression of women and Christians.
The West always starts wars and support sides without doing its homework.
There are somethings that even Gadhafi would not do, but the Muslims that took over Libya will.
Listen to you people! Suddenly the actions of an @!$%# Libyan minority represent all Islam. The Libyan govt has apologized and promised to make it right, but no, that's not enough for you. Kill them all! Scum of the Earth! All they know is violence and hatred! Certainly Christian groups have never defaced the symbols of other religions.
It's attitudes like this on both sides that will ensure we never stop fighting each other and things like this will continue to happen. But go on hating. It's fun and makes you feel good about yourselves as being part of a superior group.
T Melora,
RE: your post #1.10
The only thing that approaches your ignorance and insensitivity are the people who actually desecrated the graves. What kind of parents raised you to this lowly height? I am sure they would be very proud of your rantings!
how is that Arab spring working out for you now; it is all a radical fundamentalist Muslim up-rising; we either face the reality of that fact or keep burying our head in the sand; we are on the edge of a world wide war in the middle east; just yesterday Obama said , if it appears that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, we will attack ( in plain words , we will go to war ).
Everyone whether Muslim, Christian or Jew needs to gain some perspective, the lack of tolerance and compassion is why this world is on a downward path to toward fulfilling Satan's goal. A very simple man once said " Can't we all just get along" it's about time. God Bless
Looks like Americans are not the only ones who get congratulated for peeing on the bodies of dead soldiers. I'd imagine there're jerks everywhere.
Did you think it was a great idea that American soldiers should pee on the bodies of their enemies? Then you shouldn't have any problem with this.
And if you do have a problem with this, then keep in mind that there are many in the Islamic community who have said that this is against the principles of Islam - just like our leaders said that the behavior of our solders was against American principles.
Wonder if Obama will have a statement about this? He immediately speaks when something bad happens pertaining to the Islamic faith.
Sometimes I do not know why you atheist are even on this post. You are not here in support, although as a christian and a American I would fight for your right to not believe, but you would only fight to take away my belief. The truth is you are no better then the Muslims, and the Christians that you love to call intollerant, you are the most intollerent people on these posts. I do not condemn you for your lack of belief, so why are you so insistant upon attacking me for my beleif. I do not put you down for your lack of belief, because it is not my place to judge you, you you sit and attack everyone that has any faith.
People may look at the Muslims as atrocious, but the truth is we have seen by looking at communist countries what atheist are truly like. They have killed people of faith, imprisoned them, and tortured them to try to make them recant. And then when not succeeding they worked them to death. So please stop your accusations that we are forcing anything on you, it is why it is called a personal faith and not a group, either you have it or you do not. If you do not, then I leave you like I do with friends that are atheist to have no faith, but they like you are always never content to let things sit like this, instead they are worse then the radical Christians you are so found of attacking, you like the Muslims demand respect but you refuse to give it. So in my opinion you are worse then the Muslims, at least they believe and most of them will let you, I have rarely found a atheist that is willing to reciprocate the same respect.
JoAnn,
Obama will say nothing. He is like his department of justice. He will yell to the high heavens if there is ever any white against African American violence, but not open his mouth if their is the reverse. He will bow down to Arab or Muslim kings and cry out about any injustice towards them, but if it happens to a christian, especially a white christian then he will say nothing. But then after attending Rev. Wrights church of hate for 20 years what would one sadly expect? They say they are Christians, but by their works you will know them.
Desecrating the graves of the people who liberated your country from the Nazis. Aint religion swell?
In Afghanistan, we burned a few copies of the Koran that were being used to pass on messages to other terrorist, They riot and kill, for this act of betrayal to the people that helped to liberate their country....these [people should be help responsible in some way that reflects the degree of disgrace this act shows.
...dokken(#1.7), again you seem to miss the point. Perhaps you should re-read the post. The was sober muslims intentionally desecrating Christian graves. Drunk teenagers are, well... drunk teenagers! How much have you had to drink this morning?
The extremists of radical Islam have benefitted mightily from the 'Arab Spring.' Our current administration did all within its power to give these people ascendancy. They overthrew Quadaffi, the evil dictator, and in the process they opened up his arsenals so that radical Muslims could be well armed. Very well armed. They performed a similar service to the radical Islamists in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood is doing grand. The media dismissed the notion that they were important, everyone was all agog with the idea of 'democracy' in the Middle East, never once paying attention to the history of the region and the all-pervasive reach and ideological goals of the Muslim Brotherhood.
This will continue and worsen, the people of a milder version of Islam will be overturned by their radical counterparts. It was only the strongarm tactics of the 'evil dictators' who kept such people in check. Those checks have been removed and the radical extremists now have free and unfettered reign over their more temperate bretheren. You will see a caliphate emerge in the Middle East, it has been festering and fomenting for years and our president and NATO and the oil companies have opened Pandora's box.
Nevermind that the countries will fall to radical Islam, that is of little concern to those of limited vision.
It's time for a reality check. Islam and our concept of Democracy are incompatible. Islam requires that any true power in a hard-line Islamic country be vested in unelected religious leaders, and their version of Islam requires that all non-Muslims be killed and all vestiges of other religions, even grave markers, be destroyed.
All attempts at Democratic 'Nation-Building' in that region are doomed to failure, and any conflict goals (Afghanistan) need to be very narrowly defined.
first off your so call loving christians child molesting catholics and pagon muslims have killed more people then any atheist group ever has. who do you think has governed every civilization since the romans christians have tortured and killed anybody that did not beleave as they did in fact they`ve wiped out entire populations. muslims have been killing each other for centurys. and the catholics have been killed just as many and who really knows how many, and for how long they`ve been molesting children and protecting thier priest and all the while condoning homosexuality when they have been doing it for centurys all you bible thumpers are nothing but f@#@#@#@# hypocrits so don`t tell me how pure you think you or your religion is.
Well, this will probably have a few heads spinning, but here goes.....
I am not intolerant of the general Muslim population. Most Muslims follow the Koran, which teaches peace and tolerance. However, you have the Militant Jihad Regimes, using the Koran to spread their terror, acts of violence against Non Muslims, primarily anyone of "Christian" faith. The real issue is how do you tell the Militant Muslims from the Non Militant Muslims? Even in America, there have been those in the Muslim Communities with "hidden agenda's". Such actions gives the complete Muslim Community a bad name and creates mistrust toward Muslims in general. It's easy to say, practice tolerance toward Muslims. However, the Muslim Community Worldwide won't even "police" and hold their own terrorists groups accountable for their actions. With that said, how can any European or North/South American Countries show tolerance toward any Muslim Community that turns a "blind eye" toward actions applied by terrorists under the guise of the Koran?
In America as an example, during the last three years there have been conscious "stepped up" political efforts to destroy any "Christian" public contact. Instead of "Merry Christmas"; its now "Happy Holidays". The word "God" is removed from buildings, school prayer and even public nativity scenes are forbidden. These are just a couple of examples of intolerance toward Christian Faith, God and/or Jesus Christ in America.
Many of you might disagree, however, much of this American intolerance; and fed around the world, is directly or indirectly related to our current Presidential Administration. Obama openly announced to Egyptian Foreign Minister Gheiet in June 2010, that he was a practicing Muslim. This statement was openly carried in Middle East Newspapers and even some European Newspapers; however, these comments were repressed by the American News Media.
Barack Obama was raised predominately Muslim until the age of 12 years, when his grandparents began raising him. His original faith foundation was firmly implanted prior to his grandparents "Christian indoctrination". According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father — even an apparently nonpracticing one or irregularly practicing on, such as Obama’s father, and irrespective of the mother’s faith — are automatically Muslims. Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim Father, and predominately raised by a Muslim Stepfather, is a Muslim. Period.” Barack Obama didn't even "Convert to Christianity" until well in his mid 20's when his political future was being shaped. Plus, prior to the presidency, the Obama's attended one of Chicago'smost "Muslim influenced Christian Churches" around.
It's not the religion that bothers me; it's the lying to Americans and members of his own Democratic Party, and manipulative use of "Christianity Faith", to become and maintain his presidency. When was the last time the media covered the Obama's attending a Sunday Christian Church meeting regularly. In the last three years, you can count on one hand the number of times the "Obama's" attended a "Christian" Church. It was usually Veterans Day, Memorial Day or some other Press Covered Event.
By now you may be asking what this has to do, with Muslim Terrorists.... President Obama openly mocks our Constitution and ignores 1st, 2nd Amendments and Illegal Alien Constitutional enforcement. Barack Obama openly bowed to Saudi Arabia King Dipsit in April 2009, and July 2010. News Flash People, this wasn't just an act of respect, as President of the U.S., Barack Obama was on a equal playing field with the King, bowing wasn't expected or necessary.
However, what many of you don't realize is, King Dipsit is head of the Saudi Arabian Muslim Community in his country. This act of "bowing" to King Dipsit of Saudi Arabia held religious overtones. Barack Obama was openly reverencing himself to one of the Worldwide Muslim Communities foremost religious leader; and, right or wrong, aligning himself with that faith. This is how the newspapers in the middle east have read these action, Muslim Terrorists, and the Muslim Community Worldwide, consider "Barack Obama" one of their own and sympathetic to their cause. When you consider President Obama's severe Anti-Israel policies and lack of support to our strongest Allie in the Middle East, these actions only add fuel to the "Muslim hate" agenda worldwide.
I don't expect many of you to really conceive the severe political ramifications caused by the Obama Administration to the "Christian Community" worldwide. Most of you will focus in on only one word or statement and ignore the overall concept here. It's all you can fathom... However, for the fortunate few that grasp the underthings of these statements, you will recognise the edge of the Political Abyss, and Physical Attack the "Christian Community" is standing on worldwide, primarily do to Muslim Extremists and politically fueled by President Obama's Christian Intolerance Agenda.
Really MG, you're suggesting we should have committed U.S. troops just to help put down democratic revolutions against tyrannical dictators?
Well, it didn't take long for the radical Muslim apologists to appear. Guess you condone said actions? By pointing out flaws of another religion, flaws which, for the most part, have been decried and put away for being wrong, with a group who currently persists in their actions, you condone and excuse the actions of these radicals. My, my, you focus like a laser on one group, give another group (who wants to kill you if you don't belong) a pass? I understand your pointing out apparent hypocrisy, however, you seem to be unaware of the 'convert or die' mindset of the groups which you want to defend.
Toasty: Guess you aren't aware of the current events. No, we should not have gotten involved or taken sides in what played out. Note how Syria isn't being punished or bombed for its actions. Wonder why? If you're a woman you now have really bad civil rights and it will only get worse with the radicals, which the West helped gain power. Guess the status of women doesn't matter in your worldview?
Now, go read your history, read it well and then get back to me.
Probably a result of the apologizer-in-chief not apologizing again.
Stooping to the lows of others accomplishes nothing. That's far from "Christ-like."
as Christians we will not murder you as an 'infidel'.
Chrstians... Such a broad term.
Are you talking about Catholics? Because Catholics see Protestants as heretics. Queen Mary of England burned hundreds of Protestants... I seem to recall something in history about Spain going to war with England just to try and eradicate the Protestant queen (Elizabeth). Hmm, and there is still plenty bad blood between the factions, but they've learned to co exist in modern society.
Religion is a plague upon mankind. It has been one of the leading causes of chaos throughout history.
Just muslims being muslims, nothing new here. The followers of the cult of the moon god aren't content just to slaughter the living, they also vent their destructive proclivities on the dead. I suppose they hope their vile actions would garner favor from their god.
And how many graves are robbed, desecrated or vandalized here in the US every year(by citizens)?
Probably a h*ll of a lot more than this instance of it happening in Libya.
Are all you bigots getting your kicks being able to point at an isolated case that motivates you to try and justify your bigotry?
And we still have people in our country funding these people and bringing them over here to live and spread their religious beliefs. what we have in this situation is Muslims just being Muslims, it will only get worse, never better! just ask people in France if the Muslims are model passive undemanding citizens, if they apologize its only for show, when you are not looking they laugh about it. they have sworn to be our enemy and say they are a religion of peace in the same sentence, The moderates of Islam cannot control the radicals, this has not even warmed up yet, hell is over the horizon and approaching from the east. their agenda is to convert the world to their way of thinking and their can never be peace in Islam only death and destruction they don't even like each other.
Alboyano, your assertion that " loving christians child molesting catholics and pagon muslims have killed more people then any atheist group ever has" reveals a mind-numbing ignorance of communist atrocities in the 20th century. Does the name Joseph Stalin mean anything to you? He was an avowed atheist and the true number of citizens murdered under his regime will never be known, but the accounting begins at about 10,000,000. I haven't even mentioned Pol Pot or Red China yet.
This is a sad commentary considering all the support received by Libyans from Christians in helping to overthrow Kadaffi. Hopefully it was just an isolated incident. It's difficult enough for us in the west to keep our Jewish and Christian right wingers under control where Israel is concerned. Events like these will just lead to more religious violence that has been going on for millenia. I'm fearful the middle east is a powder keg about to blow up due to religious zealots on all sides.
RonsWuf:
By your own post(filled with ASSumptions and half truths), you are much more of a bigot(and intolerant) than Obama is.
Your post also shows you are intolerant of religious views held by others(Obama).
Obama(just like anyone else) has the choice to follow or believe in any religion he chooses to.
I laugh at all the haters that love to ASSume they know what goes on in Obama's head or what he really believes in.
Do you read tarot cards and palms as well?
Zapix,
It is biased and unfair to cite the Catholic persecution of Protestants in 16th century England without also citing the persecution of thousands of Catholics by Queen Elizabeth I once she was firmly in power. Those persecutions were, by and large, started by her father Henry VIII - then switched to the persecution of Protestants by his daughter Queen Mary - then back again to the persecution of Catholics under Elizabeth. A process, frankly, that continues today in Northern Ireland.
Religion, in and of itself, is not really the plague on humankind you think it is. It is the radicalized and fundamendalist versions of religion that are the plague. It is the combination of religion and governmental power into a theocracy that is the plague. That is why, as a practicing Roman Catholic and patriotic American I believe upholding the separation of Church and State is so vital to our freedom. If the State is not free of the Church, then the Church is not free of the State.
mgo-1426388
And when some American Christians, people who I think are also despicable, burned their Quoran they said "Christians being Christians" and "Americans being Americans". Why wouldn't they?
Worshipping the Christian God is no more rational than worshipping "the Arab pagan moon god Allah". Why is it that those who hold unsupportable beliefs have the least tolerance for the unsupportable beliefs of others?
Muslim religious leaders have not are not the only religious leaders guilty of child molesting.
mgo, it is people with your kind of attitude that causes the world to continue fighting hate with hate, irrationality with more irrationality, insult with insult. There are a lot of actions that the US should not have taken in the Middle East, and of those actions there are several higher on the list than helping with the Libyan revolution. How about if we had not turned the effort of finding bin Laden into a war in Afghanistan? How about if we had not attacked Iraq without evidence "beyond reasonable doubt"?
Bigots in this country are truely out of control. They are speading hate, fear and advocating wanton violence. I say it's far time to start rounding up all those bigots and putting them into the new FEMA detention centers. It will make the U.S. a better place and improve our standing in the international community.
mgo,
your lack of knowledge of religious history is frankly disturbing. Allah is the same God as the Christian God. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all based upon the same Middle Eastern traditions, history, legends, and superstitions. If you read the Qu'ran you will find that it is, meaning for meaning, a rough copy of the Old Testament. The fact that the Bible was rewritten does not change this historical fact.
Your own prejudice against the Muslim world is even more disturbing to me though. You have labeled an entire population equal to about 1/7th of the World's population as worthless when they have not done anything to you directly nor have any of the majority of those people participated in any hostilities against us that were unwarranted.
V for Vendetta should be required viewing for everyone during High School either in a Government class or maybe in World History because it will show you what happens when you start disenfranchising groups of people based off of personal hate. It also provides a warning to bigots and those that want a one party police state. True it is fiction but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a strong message.
Here is a little excerpt from it that I think might benefit most of you above who think Muslims are worth nothing because the people within Norsefire, the Ultra right Government that controls Britain in VfV, also hold your beliefs:
"So I read that the former United States is so desperate for medical supplies that they have allegedly sent several containers filled with wheat and tobacco. A gesture, they said, of good will. You wanna know what I think? Well, you're listening to my show, so I will assume you do... I think it's high time we let the colonies know what we really think of them. I think its payback time for a little tea party they threw for us a few hundred years ago. I say we go down to those docks tonight and dump that crap where everything from the Ulcered Sphincter of Arse-erica belongs! Who's with me? Who's bloody with me?... Did you like that? USA... Ulcered Sphincter of Arse-erica, I mean what else can you say? Here was a country that had everything, absolutely everything. And now, 20 years later, is what? The world's biggest leper colony. Why? Godlessness. Let me say that again... Godlessness. It wasn't the war they started. It wasn't the plague they created. It was Judgement. No one escapes their past. No one escapes Judgement. You think he's not up there? You think he's not watching over this country? How else can you explain it? He tested us, but we came through. We did what we had to do. Islington. Enfield. I was there, I saw it all. Immigrants, Muslims, homosexuals, terrorists. Disease-ridden degenerates. They had to go. Strength through unity. Unity through faith. I'm a God-fearing Englishman and I'm goddamn proud of it!"
This guy, Luis Prothero, is a high ranking member of the Norsefire party. Each of the classifications of people he mentioned are, in the history of the movie/book, used in experiments and forced into concentration camps after Norsefire came to power. He is an eventuality of the way that most of the people on this particular thread think.
V shows you how a party can usurp freedom and democracy by using irrational fears and hate to play on the emotions of their voters; it has a very strong message and I think is as good as any real world history about fascist states at positing the events and reasons why such a switch in ideology is possible. The same thing happen in the 1920's with Hitler. Germany became xenophobic and in their madness put the Nazis into power because they stated they would remove all of the "lesser peoples" from the country leaving only the Aryans, whom Hitler considered a "Master Race" worth more then any other race of people on this planet.
Like I said before, V for Vendetta should be required material for political classes if only so that people realize when they are being manipulated by their party, much like the above are being manipulated by their own parties and religions to fear Muslims so that when the time comes they will jump on the war bandwagon with less resistance then they would otherwise.
American lobo 1.39
What? You defend this atrocious behavior by claiming graves are vandalized here in America? Even if true, you're defending desecrations by pointing out other desecrations. And you claim this is an isolated case? It is a fact that muslims are the root cause for the majority of murders in the world and there is barely a day that goes by where somewhere the sons of allah aren't venting their murderous ways.
If pointing out absolute fact is akin to bigotry, so be it.
No, that is not a fact, that is a lie. Maybe it can pass as a fox news truth though.
Actually the majority of muders in the world occur in South, Central and North America; predominantly Christians killing other Christians.... go figure.
A quick google search would have told you that.
Funny thing about a Democracy. The basis, in general, of a Democracy is that the majority rules. One of the major reason for many of the uprisings in the Middle East is because a minority right now is in power and the majority wants to persecute others. The majority is rising up to take over so that it can achieve its desire, persecution of others. Let Democracy reign, aye? An authoritarian government is not necessarily the bad government sometimes, especially when compared to a "mob mentality."
Seriously folks, this was not a act carried out by their government. It was carried out by a lunatic fringe group. Kinda of like the Aryan Nations. They claim to be a Christian church, so do they represent you? Now I'll agree they seem to have a lot more nuts than we do but do they really do? In Ohio there are Amish folks running around assaulting and cutting off other Amish people's beards and hair over religious beliefs! Ultra orthodox Jews are spitting on and assaulting women and girls in Israel over the length and style of their dresses. In India a Hindu child was ritually sacrificed recently to assure a good crop. In Texas David Koresh had a heavily armed Christian religious church/militia. Religion can go extreme in a uneducated population. It can also go to an extreme in a desperate population. As it did in Nazi Germany where a lot of Nazi docturine had Christian overtones.
Brilliant. Another example of interventionist foreign policy that has made life worse and the world more unsafe. These are the same sort of low life two legged dogs that Obama and the jack asses in Congress are now trying to put in power in Syria. The Arab spring - The latest covert operation of the take over the world club of America and their NATO thugs.
Considering what the Italian Fascists did in Libya in the 1920s and early 1930s can't blame them for desecrating their graves. 100K people put in concentration camps. Thousands died of disease and starvation. Land stolen for Italian colonists. etc etc etc Not sticking up for the wackos. Just explaining what created them.
why you did not show the video when they are breaking the big cross, thank to president Obama and helping these people out
Some of you need to pull your reality out of ancient history and into the modern world. There is no main stream Christan organization that supports any violent actions. Yes it was done in the past, but if you look at the leaders you will see that they were not Christians but using the name to justify their actions, but by doing such, Christianity in it's true form is not tolerant of violence but rather love, is not supportive of judgement but acceptance and pity, is not spiteful and full of full of hate but rather of forgiveness and love. A person that follows true Christianity has the right not to be stepped on, but also is taught to treat others as Christ would treat them, and like it or not Christ would have loved you if you believed in him or not.
In regards to you atheist that are so fond of attacking Christianity, you like the Muslims demand respect but refuse to give it, you want to convert people to your cause but attack anyone that wants to share there way of life. You have attacked symbols that mean something to us the majority and have the ACLU that supports the minority dictating to the majority how we should live our lives. You have shoved evolution as if it is a proved science down our children minds, when it is nothing but a theory full of holes that in no way stands up to any type of scientific testing.
I will fight to give you the right not to believe, all I ask is you at least give the courteousness of giving us the same respect to follow our way of life that we give you. Sadly none of you do, you do nothing but attack when no one is attacking you because we dare to state how we believe. So, if you are going to demean us and attack us, do not be surprised when people come back at you and give the same. As a christian I am taught to turn the other cheek, but not to allow you to step all over me and accept you putting down my beliefs. So get with it, and give the same respect that you demand.
Geowil,
You might want to do some research before you make a statement that the Muslim God is the same God of the Jews and Christians, He is not, but to make their faith legitimate the Muslims have told everyone this. The God of Muslims is not the same God now or ever as the God of Abraham, and the God who's Son the Christians believe in. If you want to believe their propaganda, go ahead, but have you read the Torah, The Bible, and the Koran, I have; and the God spoken in the first two faiths is in no way the same God, what happened is Mohamed to make his false statements seem true threw in stories from both faiths to make his religious teaching more acceptable, but in the end the God in the Bible and Torah is in no way the same God that the Muslims Worship. Sadly they have been deceived by a false prophet that is burning in hell right now for leading billions astray.
Tbenton <<<<<>>>>> Although I agree with a lot of what you said you lose me in the last sentence. It is not up to us to consign ANYONE to Heaven or to Hell. That judgment is to be left to God. Even if you are right that Islam is a false religion---I'm taking no position here, one way or the other---but, even if you are right about that, we still do not know where Mohammad, himself, was coming from. Was he foolish, but sincere; duped, but sincere; what??? Also, even if (I said IF) Mohammad was truly evil, we cannot know if he did or did not repent at the last moment and was taken into the loving arms of God. At the risk of redundancy, let me repeat that I am not taking any position, pro or con, on the true status of Islam or any other religion).
tbenton,
Jews, Christians, and Muslims all follow monotheistic faiths which grew out of the monotheistic beliefs that developed among the Hebrew tribes in the deserts of what is now Israel. They all claim to trace their beliefs back to Abraham, an important figure who is believed by the faithful to have been the first worshiper of God as an exclusive, monotheistic deity. So since they all claim Abraham as the founder of their faith, they all worship the same God.
The religion of peace.
Glad to see all the mooslims up in arms over this atrocity................
the NTC says the desecration of Christian Graves is not in keeping with Islam...well you could have fooled me, for all that you followers of the Koran have demonstrated, it is exactly the kind of behavior to expect from you...
tom mc: If you closely study the track record of Islamic cult, it is worst of all cults, religions and ideologies!
Another Obama screw up. Bomb Libya even though Gadaffi had already surrendered his nuclear weapons and was not threat to us. Now the radicals have taken over, make no mistake this is just the first sign of what is to come there and probably in every other pit that our leaders praised as the "arab spring". If one can't see that the containment of that area with dictators is all that has kept it under control then they won't see what is coming from aiding in setting the devil loose there. At the same time keeping us dependent on oil from there? What is the reasoning behind all this and at the same time the administration has decided to do an all out assault on religious freedom of Christians in this country. This free contraceptive crap is just that crap. Women have had access to free contraceptives at planned parenthood for decades. Insurance companies have always paid for contraceptives, just not for free as no other medicine is totally free. This is a two pronged pay back for objections to tax paid abortions and the worst assault on our countries Chrisitanity ever. Wake up people, the left is leading you to the destruction of our way of life. Maybe if we knew if Obama's step father was a Sunni or a Shiite we might get a clearer picture.
I know that is sarcasm... but why would they be and why should we be? We have apparently "taught them well" in expressing themselves... attack things not people... by our soldiers burning their religious book we really did the trick. And we should think that all of them think that we are all doing these things and that we hate them... because... as you demonstrate... apparently all of us think that anyone who does anything we don't like... is on of them.
Just don't include me in the "us" the "they" the "we" or the "them" as the two groups of thought are illusions fabricated by small, brainwashed, and fearful minds (in case you didn't get it).
Uh, Nick, they were burning the religious books of others before the Koran incidents.
The fact of the matter is that fundies in Islam are going to justify their faith by any means just like any other fundamentalist does. Stop giving them a pass because they're the poor oppressed Muslims and you'll see it. Otherwise you'll be a victim of it eventually...
Oh, and these same fundamentalists will not "Just don't include me in the "us" the "they" the "we" or the "them" as the two groups of thought are illusions fabricated by small, brainwashed, and fearful minds (in case you didn't get it)." They'd have you bowing down to Allah 5 times a day even if it was at the business end of a gun. At the rate they're going it won't be more than a few generations until they'll have that kind of power across the globe.
Uh, east coast...
Thank you for completely missing my point...
Anyway... how outraged are we to be about some graves knocked over? Shall we go bomb another random country? When you say I will someday be a victim even though I give fundamentalists a pass... well I guess you are referring to a terrorist attack... or other act of fundamentalists affecting or even ending my life. If we work by that standard we don't have to care about killing civilians etc cause they do the same to us. We ultimately lump all people together, and it is worth throwing a temper tantrum with bombs if it means we feel better about killing a couple boogeymen...
Domestic and foreign fundamentalists will always interfere with other peoples lives. To me it is just a question of whether we want to act as a nation of fundamentalists- basically religious terrorists... stooping to the level of other groups... killing a bunch of people... or even not talking to them cause we can't be adults or- something else?
Sorry I am one of the people who doesn't look at someone different than me and judge them based on the actions of a few. For example... I don't think everyone who dresses different than me is out to kill me... if I lived like that I wouldn't have a very good life now would I? Maybe you can get this example... I don't think all Catholics are out to molest young boys, but they have a heck of a track record... or do they... maybe it is just what the media wants us to think... just like they have you convinced that all Muslims "hate us for our freedom." Ever think that if we would mind our own business we wouldn't have all these "relationship issues?"
hey eastcoast
Since you want to be all patriotic this morning. Go and share your sentiment with the Muslim American men and women who serve in our Armed Froces; sacrificing their lives and well beings to give bigots like you the freedom to spead your hate.
You are a discrace, un-american and Osama bin Laden's success story.
Bring all our troops home, from all countries...middle east or otherwise, leave them be. I don't' care what they do over there...don't want to pay for it and tired of seeing USA kids dying for a loosing cause.
Admit it, we lost, now bring them home. Don't fight wars for some democrat or republican hack.
We call protecting and staying at the home front the 'Monroe Doctrine.' Amazing how the casting aside of our founding fathers' doctrines and laws becomes forgotten. Just for trivia, all the tough old birds who signed the Declaration of Independence were Seminary graduates- seems they saw much of this coming and we all decided we knew better and could "just get along." I prefer the old ways when we only had to get along with fellow countrymen (those sworn to be American) and guest to the country, and exercise the law with those who came to visit with ideals of forced takeover. Most other countries expect us to act like well behaved guest in their lands and ours, I expect nothing less of them. Buffaloful, I think you're on the right track and I hope you are able to appropriately influence others to be good neighbors and citizens.
Referencing your above post, buffalo...............I respect your belief in Christ. But to say that ALL peoples must embrace HIM is very arrogant. One thing Christ teaches is tolerance. To say that they MUST embrace Him is no different than the Muslims saying you must believe as they do.
Actually the Monroe Doctrine allows us to unilaterally take action within the western hemisphere. Not really staying at the homefront....
JD - Armyguy is correct. The Monroe Doctrine was intented to make it clear that the United States would view any attempt by a European power to establish a new colony or independent nation in the western hemisphere as a hostile act against the US. What you are referring to is isolationism.
The people over there , as I have more than 4 years experience living there, are not against Christians. Unfortunately their religion does not believe that the Holy Man Jesus went far enough.
The people over there are not AGAINST democracy, unfortunately their religion is. It demands they not question those in positions of authority as determined by those already in positions authority. The communities there are more like the old feudal system of princes and caliphs. Sadly part of the old system regarding being able to militantly protect your part of the system is important still. If you live by the power to train shooters and expect to never shoot then your little princedom is shrunk by the higher powers. Some days they are required to let the dogs off the leash just to prove they are relevant.
Sadly this is just as true as when Khaddafi did it facing the US. The new government will probably tell these guys no but recognize their leader as a smart political man.
The mandate by the Koran that the words of Mohamad be held below no other writings will always cripple a democratic society if it does not eliminate it...
The other side of the coin...at least now the "western culture" has still influenced the choices that are made daily. The best way to get someone to take a position regarding something is to let them experience it. IF..IF...they choose to support it or not will have to be theirs. That is the premise Democracy is founded on....if they like it they will defend it, if they do not like it then it will be allowed to fail....just maybe not so totally as you suggested.
The generation that was in school now and when we were there will be another 20 years before they come into power and answer your comment and mine. The girls that went to school included. They have an uphill battle but if we ignore them then they will not have ANY reason to have any good will at all.
We do assume too much responsibility but better than none at all in the world. Most mistakes are based on the opinion that we can rewrite all their lessons of centuries with a simple 30 day or less guarantee....these are lives and not commercials.
The Monroe Doctrine is a policy of the United States introduced on December 2, 1823. It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression requiring U.S. intervention. The Doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries. The Doctrine was issued at a time when nearly all Latin American colonies of Spain and Portugal had achieved independence from the Spanish Empire (except Peru and Bolivia, which became independent in 1823 and 1825 respectively, and Cuba and Puerto Rico). The United States, working in agreement with Britain, wanted to guarantee no European power would move in.
President James Monroe first stated the doctrine during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress. It became a defining moment in the foreign policy of the United States and one of its longest-standing tenets, and would be invoked by many U.S. statesmen and several U.S. presidents, including Theodore Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and others.
Amateur footage, people acting like idiots. Sounds like the Libyan version of Jackass.
To think these soldiers died getting rid of the NAZI's for this to happen? Thank you to historical ignorance of the highest form. I know this won't happen, but everyone should boycott Lybian oil exports until these graves are repaired to their orginal being. God bless you soldiers who died so long ago.
Muslims sided with the NAZI's. They attacked the Brits in Iraq with German Air Support. They even had a Muslim Brigade within the NAZI SS, which operated in Europe during the war. So 60 years later, they attack the graves of the men who kicked their SS loving butts.
There are many parallels between Islam and Nazi dogma. I am thinking they would prefer a psudo-nazi government over a democratic one. The Islamic religion is more apt to embrace a theologic dictatorship than a democracy because of sharia law. Freedom is just a pipe-dream in most islamic countries. Had the Nazi's won that campaign the Libiyans would have rejoyced. Iraq's Bathist Party was an exact duplicate of the Nazi political structure, and it worked, however dispicible. My point being this, Freedom and Democracy works only for a society who will accept its fundamental values. Islam is not ready. What are your thoughts?
I don't know if Islam is not ready, but, I am sure the corrupt Islamic countires are not.
Islam's insecurity stem's from 1) it's relative youth 2) the fact that they don't have a Christ figure - only a human prophet 3) it's a load of contived nonsense that won't stand even slight scrutiny! Other religions (which, as all religions are, are in the business of exploiting people) have had hundreds of years to refine their defences and mechanisms - and, anyway, they don't give a damn what people think, so long as their various clerics get a nice salary, house, car, etc (I jest not)! In a few hundred years Islam too might have refined its control techniques so that it can manipulate people (and their money) more subtly. However, something tells me that they won't be around for that long - not if they keep threatening and killing people.
Islam is a self reinforcing cult which greets converts with open arms but once in there are severe rules that state you may never leave and even considering it is punishable by death..That's a loving religion!!
Christians allow people to come and go as they please with no penalty because you are the master of your own destiny..
You can read and think what you want, Muslims have punishments for even hearing different points of view on religion let alone reading a Bible that hold death as punishment.. Islam the cult has shown its intolerance to other religions thru burning and killing while here in the US you do not have thousands of people rioting and burning Mosques and other religious symbols.. Some say that there are moderate Muslims but they are all sworn to the same rules and goals as the radicals.. There are no shouts of anger against the extremists when they kill dozens of women and children, Why is that???
I have had no hope for the nascent government of Libya since Gaddafi was removed. I was sure the Islamists, like these terrorists who vandalized "infidel" graves, would take over.
But the story says the government apologizes for this. This is surprising to me that NTC even commented, let alone apologized. I take some positives from this story. Maybe, and I say maybe optimistically, Libya could be better than I thought.
However, this statement is incorrect.
Desecrating infidel graves in Islam land IS keeping with Islam.
Lar,
You are WRONG! The desecration has nothing to do with Islam, and everything to do with radical extremists. What you said equates to saying that all Christians are a fanatical as Santorum or Pat Robertson. Thankfully, that is not the case, and I know plenty of good Muslims who respect the rights of Christians.
Oh no no no no!!! Santorum? Robertson? You may disagree with them, perhaps not even vote for them. Don't you dare (yet) compare any evangelicals in this country to Muslim extremists abroad. I don't recall any beheadings, honor killings, or stonings in this country nor have I seen any AK-47s at church. I have a copy of the Koran, and I agree with your assessment that this is not in accordance with Mohammed's teachings. Let's just be honest about the discussion, OK?
They only apologized because they want foreign aid to keep rolling in. It's all a lie in the service of Islam, nothing more.
The article :-'"However, a minority of hardline Islamists, who are opposed to any non-Muslim presence and in some cases have formed into heavily-armed militias, have gained ground since Gaddafi's 42-year rule ended last August. The government in Tripoli has struggled to assert its authority over these groups."
They are not minority. - we so the hardline controlling GAZA. Now they are gaining power in Egypt and in Libya and soon in Syria.
Here come the haters.
My dad grew up in a town dominated by the Klan who considered themselves good Christian folk. Cross burnings; bombings; and shootings if you were a Catholic or a Jew. There were no Blacks to attack because of the "Sundown Laws" in that part of Los Angeles County. Every religion has it's whack jobs and it's just plain ignorant to condemn the whole due to the actions of a few.
If you are feeling the anger and hate welling up, take a good look in the mirror. A little less Crusader and a little more Christain charity perhaps?
zoot-spiker I would completely agree with you, but the Klan doesn't have the control over as many people as the so-called minority radical muslim population. As can be seen in recent news the majority of muslims act like a bunch of animals, if Christians did the same there would be mass protest and killings for what happened in this story. There may be small pockets of idiots in the states, but nothing compared to what is going on in the muslim world. They hate everyone that does not agree with them.
Lar did you just call people who desecrated these graves terrorists? LMFAO. I guess almost 25% of teenagers are terrorists as well for digging up graves.
Lar you are just like the fanatic Muslims, you will say and use anything to justify your personal hatred as a means for political and religious ideology and the actions those ideologies entail. You would also be easy to manipulate because of those fears and prejudices.
Oh, and you are forgetting again that you do not have to follow your religious texts to the letter. Find me a Christian who does and you will find only fanatics and no normal Christians just as you would find only fanatical Islamists and no moderate Muslims.
Look how panther speaks for others so well <sarcasm>
You probably have never even met a Muslim (that you know of) let alone know what a Muslim thinks.
You bigots are all the same.
Geowill
If you believe that teenagers in your little town who desecrate graves is the same as this story, then you have clearly demonstrated your worldliness. Read the Haditha as to what Isalm thinks of Jews and Christians.
Lar my little town is the capital of Arizona. Oh and by the way you can find similar verses in both Christianity and Judaism, you just have to be willing to look back at past scriptures. Leviticus comes to mind.
Also just because some holy book says does not mean that a majority of Muslim's actually believe it. The Bible says divorce is a travesty yet you do not see many Christian couples putting up with each other when they realize their marriage will not work. It says abortion and homosexuality are taboo yet Christians still practice both. Being Christian, Islamic, a Jew, or a practitioner of any religion does not mean you must follow every single commandment, passage, nor sermon to the letter; only fanatics alter their lives due to religion, rational and sane people alter their religious beliefs in response to evens in their lives.
Let's face it - all of these religions (and their carefully refined holy books) are in the business of controlling people in order to take a tenth of their earnings without them complaining. Read some Christopher Hitchens of you want religion putting into neat, concise, perspective. The more that you know about these phoney organisations the more it all makes sense.
Geowil
First, you still believe that teenagers desecrating graves is the same as this story, even living in Phoenix. That still says a lot.
Second, the Koran is the holy book of Islam, Hadith is Mohammed's words which are followed by Islam. Throughout both, killing Christians and Jews is not only allowed but promoted. Mohamed was a terrorist, murderer, pedophile, thief and liar. You would know this by just skimming Hadith.
To compare the New testament and Old testament to the Koran is like...well it's like comparing teenagers desecrating graves to this story. You have proven my point. Thank you.
mean two, actually I know quite a few muslims. If the majority do not act like animals, how many people have died because some books got burned? What about the last time they were offended, how many people died then? Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck!
Panther
I agree. The very writings of the Koran and Mohamed's writings in Hadith give justification to Islam for killing based on this mistakened burning of Korans. Some book of peace.
Lar it is no different. In both cases the graves are defiled by idiots that think it will either make them look cool or make a statement. There is no religious context to be had, all countries have grave robbers and defilers, it is not exclusive to one religion or race. Your argument is that this case has a different meaning just because it was Muslims that did it and that the graves were of Christians.
All they did this for was the attention that you are now giving to them. Ignore them and they will eventually go away; that is the basis of dealing with all trolls.
Cowards. It's easy to attack the dead..
There is no profit in disrespecting the dead. None. Sadly, for any one of those brave men buried below the ground, not any of those directly above him is worth so much as the dust off his dead toes.
Moslem and Christian graves are routinely desacrated in israel , Jerusalem and unlawfully occupied terrotories for the building of settlement reserved to Jews only: why are these sad attacks against non-jewish tombs in israel and occupied territories not publicized on US medias?Is there any place in the US where condos and houses are for Christians only?
The Jewish population of the world is less than 1% of the Muslim population of the world. Therefore, please continue to fill us in on this Jewish problem.
nomordeficit, I think it's because Christians can walk around Israel without being killed by Israelis. Those same Christians would be beheaded in terrorist islamic countries. I have relatives who have visited Israel my whole life and I'm 42. I also have a Christian aunt who moved there over 30 years ago.
GLOCK----the only islamic country that allowed the practice of other religions was iraq. also the only one to have a functioning synagogue. it had very few members but it was allowed to hold services unmolested. saddam hussein would not tolerate any intrusion of religious sects in government affairs. as my friend from iraq (catholic) told me ''if they attempted to gain government power he cut them off at the knees''. saddam knew how to govern religious extremists---we will wish one day we had him back. now iraq is ungovernable and will be for another century or so. he was the devil you know -----versus the devil you don't know.
Actually, Afghanistan has a synagogue...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218019/Synagogue-dweller-remaining-Jew-Afghanistan.html
east coast---good to know---i stand corrected--thanks--granny
Liars like you always find a "reason" to blame Jews for every disgusting deed only d-bags like you or like the ones you admire, are capable of doing.
palirats---huh?---liars like who?
these graves of souls that fought to free people of Libya and the middle east from the Nazis now mean nothing and still the western world continues to send in troops to save these people from oppression. well lets face oil is worth the price of a life and as far as respect goes look how they treat their women, that should be a sure sign of a country that does not need to be saved but destroyed. just nuke'm
Nazis and Muslims were big buddies. Google it.
Pray Hard-662027
Well, as long as you want to go there, google Nazis and the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church was as guility as the Nazis in killing Jews. Absolutely correcta mundo !! Most people do not know that, but it is a fact.
nutgrape and Bensgpa - try reading a history book.
Nutgrape et al <> <> <> If the Nazis and the Catholics were such good buddies, why did hundreds of Catholic priests, including St. Maximilian Kolbe, and hundreds of nuns, including St. Edith Stein, and hundred of laymen (men and women) die in the camps, along with clergy and laymen of Protestant religions??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Libya has been on the back-burner in news- this is not vandalism that is occurring on soldiers gravesites (wasn't it NATO/Obama adm+CIA+Great Britain and France that enabled the Al Queda affiliated Libyan Islamic Jihadist with their saturation/drones to slaughter Muammar Quaddafi and his armee?) This is the salfist thanks to others. Gravesites cannot kill people. These militias have not disarmed- they are the scourge of the earth. Go to http://rt.com/news/Libyan-rebels-torture-africans-679/ and see for yourself. Obama adm. is silent like a church mouse in condemning these atrocities and non-disarmament of the AQ affiliated rebel militias. What is left unsaid- it is not only Christians but all others too who do not have the Weltanscauung of the Salafists backed by Qatar,Turkey UAE and Saudi Arabia. Thankfully the Brits have not remained silent what is going on in Libya whereas US/Obama adm. has.
An add-on. Go to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/04.libya-apologises-brittish-graves-desecration. The article is accompanied with a video shot by the deserationists themselves. Over 30 in their 'us- donated military garb'. Appalling.
There is always a few in a bunch that would do such a thing as desecrating a graveyard that is filled with war dead. I guess they didn't realize that if it wasn't for the brave actions of those who died in WW2 that the whole world would have been enslaved by a regime that would see them as no more than animals.
Nazis and Muslims were big buddies. Google it.
The Third Reich and Islamic nations at the time had little to do with one another. The big players of the Second World War all meddled in North Africa and the Middle East, because of their strategic war reserves need to fuel the war effort. Your claim that the "Nazis and Muslims were big buddies" is not only irrational, but historically inaccurate. The Nazis found them inferior people, and only saw them as pawns to be used for oil, and if need be, to kill them. They really only had run-ins with Islamic peoples in North Africa. Muslims were killed in the Balkans, and fought against the Afrika Korps in Tunisia.
Keep on keeping on with the historical ignorance.
Pawns or not, whether they would have killed each other or not, whether their little association was a big player or not is irrelevant. They probably considered each other animals. They probably would have slaughtered each other under different circumstances. Simply because this association has had little attention over the decades doesn't mean that it didn't happen. They were still big buddies in the sense that they both wanted to exterminate Jews. Like I said, Google it.
Ranman87 I'm not one of the rabid Muslim-hating posters (though the people who did this to WWII graves should honestly be shot), but don't make up bull@!$%# to back up your argument.
First of all, nobody was in Libya for oil during WWII. During that time oil hadn't been discovered there yet. The Nazis were there to bail the Italians out after their failed invasion of British Egypt. Secondly, while there were a few exceptions, most of the North African Arabs preferred to help the Germans over the Allies. They reported Allied positions to the Afrika Korps and occasionally even killed lone Allied soldiers. For their part the Germans provided them with supplies and considered them useful, not animals.
you're the one who seems to be ignorant of history.
I never said anything about Libya, you nitwit.
Before you claim historical ignorance on my part, how about properly reading my post.
This article is about Libya. You said North Africa and the ME (which happens to include Libya). Most of the fighting in North Africa during WWII took place in Libya, and very little of it involved oil.
Was there any other part of your post I missed?
Ranman,
Recheck your history. If muslims were considered such an inferior people, why did the Waffen SS (the models of supposed racial purity) have two divisions of them in their armed forces by the end of the war.
@denver bill 2.
Ever hear of the mantra:
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Take a look at the use of the black military in Civil War or the use of Japanese troops in the Pacific...yes and even the German citizens of the US in WW2. You dod not trust them but you use them to increase your power and minimize your risk.
None of that implies a complete camradrie. All it implies is a useful relationship.
All TRUSTING was between both cultures was Individuals who entrusted individual lives to each other, not national policies.
This is the actions of unruly children,not men.
It was not a organized attack on christians
like is taking place in Dufar or other places
around the world on the living.
"It was not a organized attack on christians"
Who are you trying to kid?
But the adults teach their children to hate the "infidels" and so this will continue to happen in perpetuity. It HAS been happening for 3000 years.
3000 years? The Koran was written in 630 AD, the Zionists returned to Palestine beginning in about 1900. Does truth matter to you?
Yes Sticky it does, and the pre-history roots of Islam can be traced back to about 3000 BCE. Just as Christians predate the New Testament so do Muslims predate the Koran.
There are some pestilences that walk on two feet and do their work with hands, and like all other such pestilence, the sooner it is exterminated, the better we will be.
Islam, one of the original cancers and plagues ...
Alwell, nice to welcome another who sees clearly.
And still more and more...examples of the true believers of islam. These scum riot and kill because a few cheap books were burned accidentally, but think nothing of desecration of graves, of course only those Christians naturally. Islam, the hate filled scourge of the world, and it will only continue until this corrupt, hate filled, diabolical, culture is eliminated. And, naturally all the American and Eurpean muslims only sit quietly by, never a comment, never an action or deed to stop terrorism, although from time to time they whine and claim it's not really the belief of islam. But...actions speak louder than words!
Oh good, so you and your church are going to get together and march in protest for the acts of Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh and Anders Behring. Being they are all of your cult you should be up in arms. Welp? Don't whine and try to distance yourself from them as their actions are a direct reflection on you as you all share the same beliefs.
Muhammad had sex with sheep and men. LOL
Tony A ==== Were you there??? Did you get pictures???
Every day you read about the mayhem created throughout the world by the Islamic Extremest. Muslims. And then the Muslim community wonders why people make the comments they make that are derogatory and racist. The truth is - Islam is the biggest threat to world peace known to man kind. And our stupid Government keeps letting the bastards into this country and keeps support those extremist in the middle east. Why?
Religion PERIOD is the biggest threat to peace man has ever known.
You don't have to have RELIGION to have God.
So inanimate doctrine is larger threat than the men & women that use it to their own ends?
J, just take out the word "extremist". Muslims want you to believe that, but don't fall for their lies. And, oh, "racist" statements cannot be made about Islam. Islam is not a race. Trying to make it a racial issue is another one of their lies. Islam is a totalitarian ideology of death and submission, not a race. See the point? Buddhists are not a race. Hindus are not a race. Presbyterians are not a race.
Thanks Pray, for telling it like it is. The Apostles said "they could work no miracles there because of their unbelif. God has turned them over to their idol worship, mohammad, a very false "prophet"
Jclark
Go and ask the Muslim American men and women who honorable serve in our Armed Forces. Explain to them how they are the biggest threat to world peace.
Want to know what the biggest threat to world peace really is? Intolerant bigots like the one looking back at you in the mirror.
Islam is not a religion...it is a hate filled cruel cult, nothing more. and for any of those who try to compare the heinious actions of a few, ie, Timothy Mcveigh, et. al, they pale in comparison to the 3,000 killes on 9-11, and the untold thousands since then in the markets, trains, buses, etc. all by cowardly muslim scum who kill eagerly in the name of allah. None of the few misguided American, or other terrorists ever killed in the name of thier religion, or any religion.
Obama should apologize for those dead Christians that were buried there and offended the Muslims. They died protecting the Muslims from Nazi occupation.
Nazis and Muslims were big buddies. Google it.
You're dead on right, but we get it already!
Pray Hard, I think we get it by the 3rd time.
This is what happens when you lump people all together. Yes the Palestinians and their leadership where allies of Hitler. Most Libyans had already spent years fighting the Italian Fascists by time that had happened. Some Libyans Muslims helped Libyan Jews escape the Germans in their country. Some did not. Some actually fought in the Italian Army along side the Afrika Korp. 30K Libyans joined the Italian Army even though 100K Libyans where held in concentration camps. Most aong tribal lines. Just like every country some opposed the Nazis and some joined them. Muslims are not one giagantic monolithic block of people. No more than Europeans are.
it is very difficult to believe that the British military who helped the people of Libya in ouster of Col Gaddafi's repressive regime and then these recently liberated folks turn on the dead of the same "allied" forces. I doubt very much we will see the same level of outrage currently seen in Afghanistan when the holy books were burned. That the Arab world is continuing to be in such disarray is much easier to understand.
Perhaps the British should bring them home to a country that will let the dead rest in peace. I guess even Gaddafi didn't go this far?
Ain't god belief great?
God is, their false prophet is NOT !!
"This action does not reflect Libyan public opinion because Islam calls for respect for other religions."
Another of Islam's/Muslim's typical lies.
There was an expectation of something different? Odd that many could not see this coming, and it will seem small as these things escalate within the middle east. I suggest we leave them to themselves and make sure they can not leave their country to inflict this type of hate elsewhere.
Your "dead on" Age. Treat them like Lepers. Isolate and let time take care of the rest.
It's time we start killing all muslims in the middle east by nuking the whole area, and deporting all muslims here in the US.
Not importand. They can't hurt a skeleton,now,can they. Mtex.....What a stupid individual you are! You must be one of those religous Republican YTaxans.
Bob, @!$%# off
Mtex - If you claim to be a loyal American, as I'm sure you probably do, stop acting like a reactionary idiot. Of all Muslims in the US about 65% are foreign-born and about 35% are US-born. Of the foreign-born individuals, about 47% are US citizens. These are likely not unusual numbers for recent immigrant groups. Remember that there was a time in our history when probably close to 100% of (non-Native) Americans were foreign born, the country having not existed long enough for many to be born here. Under what theory of law will you deport all of the muslims who have commited no crime? And for those who are US-born - to where will you deport them? And under what theory of ethics do you propose to justify the murder of 1 billion muslims?
Just asking...
Mtex, go @!$%# yourself
where is the video when they are breaking the big cross ,thanks again to president Obama who support these people, you will not getting my vote in 2012
the doom of 2012 seams to be getting hotter
You'd have to be a religious nutjob like the people involved in the vandalism here to think that's actually going to happen.
Of course, all the devout "christians" are swarming this article trying to defend themselves. Infidel comments back and forth. Another waste of time. You cry for world peace YOUR WAY, but religion gets in the way again. Outlaw it, and after a couple generations tensions across the globe will have plummeted. But we don't have time for rational solutions. More people have been killed in the name of god than anything else in human history, and that's probably going to continue.
It was outlawed in the Soviet Union. Ever read about the Russian atrocities done in the name of atheism: the mass murders of millions including the tsar, his wife, and all his children, the concentration camps in Siberia, the mass murders and rapes in Berlin when the Russians marched in, the secret police and the rooms dedicated to torturing innocent people, not being able to choose where you work or what kind of work you did, having to live with multiple families in one apartment, all sharing one bathroom, the shortage of food, being arrested for speaking a word against what was happening, the building of a Berlin Wall to keep people from fleeing to freedom? Stalin said, "You can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs" as his justification of mass murder.
It was outlawed in Communist China. Ever read about Mao Tse Tung and his little Red Book, the millions murdered under the atheist regimes, the concentration camps for the "re-education" of those who dared to disagree, the murder of teachers from elementary school level to universities who refused to teach the falsified Communist version of history, the mass starvation which resulted from his "Great Leap Forward" in agricultural mis-management, the Red Guard who answered to no law but their own fanaticism?
It was outlawed in North Korea, ever read about the regime there that allows its people to starve while building its army, where there are no freedoms for the people who live under the dictator's boot?
What did you do in history class? Sleep? Do you really think that people would be better without religion? Look at what happens when you take faith away and there are no rules except those made by the men with guns and no conscience. This is your idea of relieving world tensions?
It was outlawed in the Soviet Union. Ever read about the Russian atrocities done in the name of atheism: the mass murders of millions including the tsar, his wife, and all his children, the concentration camps in Siberia, the mass murders and rapes in Berlin when the Russians marched in, the secret police and the rooms dedicated to torturing innocent people, not being able to choose where you work or what kind of work you did, having to live with multiple families in one apartment, all sharing one bathroom, the shortage of food, being arrested for speaking a word against what was happening, the building of a Berlin Wall to keep people from fleeing to freedom? Stalin said, "You can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs as his justification of mass murder.
It was outlawed in Communist China. Ever read about Mao Tse Tung and his little Red Book, the millions murdered under the atheist regimes, the concentration camps for the "re-education" of those who dared to disagree, the murder of teachers from elementary schools to universities who refused to teach the Communist version of history, the mass starvation which resulted from his "Great Leap Forward" in agricultural mis-management, the Red Guard who answered to no law but their own fanaticism?
It was outlawed in North Korea, ever read about the regime there that allows its people to starve while building its army, where there are no freedoms for the people who live under the dictators boot?
What did you do in history class? Sleep? Do you really think that people would be better without religion? Look at what happens when you take faith away and there are no rules except those made by the men with guns and no conscience. This is your idea of relieving world tensions?
Page - given the content of this article, what do Christians have to defend themselves for???
is that what president Obama and the NATO gave the fanatic people Libya, look what happened , where is the democracy are talking about.these fanatic Muslims are using freedom in USA and Europe to beat us and use it against us in here and they do whatever they like in their own countries against christens and Jews.
when you give power to a country in the middle east make sure they put the right constitution to every one, so it would be peace all over the world.
phrases from the Koran about fighting
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship Allah . But if they cease and believe in islam, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
9-29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (christains and jews) - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved in islam, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
3-85And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers
9-5kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer( pray to Islam), and give taxes, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
8-65 O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.
Every time I start to think of muslims as human, something like this happens.
I for one say bring our troops and our money home! Then sit back and watch these radicals and killers of women and children( under the permission of the so called Koran) have at it. When the winner surface's we will deal with them at that time! The alternative is to go bodly where no one has gone and turn the whole region into Lake Muslim.