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President Alexander Lukashenko has led Belarus since 1994.
BERLIN -- Alexander Lukashenko, the authoritarian president of Belarus, on Sunday criticized EU politicians who have threatened him with sanctions and in an apparent riposte to the German foreign minister's branding him "Europe's last dictator," said: "Better to be a dictator than gay."
Guido Westerwelle is Germany's first openly gay minister.
European Union leaders at a summit in Brussels on Friday called for new measures to pressure the Belarus president over alleged human rights abuses.
In spite of Lukashenko's attack -- which seemed an apparent riposte to Westerwelle -- the German foreign minister said on Monday he would not flinch from seeking to improve human rights in Belarus.
Westerwelle responded on Monday: "This statement speaks for itself." He added: "I'm not going to retreat from my engagement on human rights and democracy in Belarus one a single millimeter."
Chancellor Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert also criticised Lukashenko's comments on Monday.
"Unfortunately (the comment) very clearly shows the position that the Belorussian president takes in relation to basic rights," he said. "It's interesting to find out this way that Mr Lukashenko also now classes himself as a dictator.
"That is the view that the federal government reached some time ago and on which the Belorussian president delivers proof almost daily," he added.
Lukashenko has led Belarus since 1994, retaining Soviet-style controls over the economy and cracking down on opposition and independent media.
Lukashenko said Belarus would give a strong reaction to any sanctions, according to local news agency Belta.
"This is absolute hysteria," Belta reported him as saying. "And as you can see, at the forefront there are two types of politicians ... one lives in Warsaw, another in Berlin."
"Whoever was shouting about dictatorship there ... when I heard that, I thought: it's better to be a dictator than gay."
Belarus opposition leaders arrested after riots
European leaders said any new sanctions should target those in Belarus who are responsible for human rights violations and repression of civil society, as well as people supporting Lukashenko's government or benefiting from it.
Tit-for-tat expulsions
Poland, Belarus's direct neighbor, has played a leading role in formulating EU policy towards Minsk -- often drawing fire from Belarus for doing so.
The call for sanctions followed a diplomatic spat between the EU and Belarus last week, when EU pressure on Minsk escalated into tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsions.
Belarus expelled the EU ambassador in Minsk and recalled its own envoy from Brussels after the EU imposed sanctions on 21 Belarussian judges and police officers. In response, the bloc's 27 capitals agreed to temporarily withdraw their own ambassadors.
The EU sanctions target the authoritarian country's repression of political opposition, including frequent jailings.
They date back to the December 2010 presidential elections, in which more than 700 people — including seven candidates — were arrested in the wake of a massive protest against alleged vote fraud. Lukashenko was declared the winner.
Lukashenko has criticized homosexuality in the past. Last year he said he "did not like gays."
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Mmm, don't you just love high-publicity gay-bashing in the early morning? /sarcasm
It's comparing apples and oranges. One's sexuality has -zero- to do with leadership capabilities.
Maybe if we sanction him and block all of his calls, he'll go away.
"Better to be a dictator than gay."
No. It is better to be smart when in a leadership capacity. You have now shown to the entire World what you are capable of.
I may not be a dictator, but I am a master debater in regards to homosexual behavior.
He may be an idiot but it also underscores the fact that only smaller nations get bullied by the western coalition. I have never seen a similar threat or even a smaller one against China or Russia. The best we do is to ban mundane stuff like Chinese erasers and pencils from reaching our ports and claim that as a victory. No different than the behavior of a school bully.
The "gay-bashing dictator" subtext is just a distraction.
Once again, the EU's real objectives are economic and strategic ones and entail bringing about a regime change that will eliminate Moscow's influence in Belarus and make the country politically and economically subordinate to NATO.
Nobody in the EU really gives a damn about the welfare of the people of Belarus. It's just more NATO expansionism underway, and one can probably look to Yugoslavia's past to see Belarus' future.
I'd say that the people of Belarus care more about its people than does its dictator.
Nice. Combover.
Germany.. paying socialist countries to not leave the EU
Yeah.. that is super smart....
That's just Daffy...
Apples and oranges is right. A dictator controls thousands/millions of lives through political venture. A person who is gay was born gay, just like someone born white or black. Neither has anything to do with one or another. Being a dictator is about everybody's business. Being gay is nobody else's business. Belarus really needs to open its collective eye at this legerdemain of its dictator.
Being born gay--only some who is either gay or a liberal actually beleives that one. It is all about trading insults. He does not care what you or anyone else in the West thinks of him.
I wish the nannys in the nanny states would get through ruining their economy, maybe that would teach them to mind their own business.
What is this an attempt to take the attention away from the sorry economics?
All of a sudden the EU is ticking their nose into everyone's business.
We expect that from the megalomaniac in the white house but this is new for the nannys in Europe.
It looks like the EU has their very own South Carolina. Time to clean house.
No one is born a bigot. You CHOOSE to be one.
JohnGal: ..."Being born gay--only some who is either gay or a liberal actually beleives that one"....
And? What's your point?
That normal people believe NORMAL things, like being gay is not a choice or being tolerant, socially progessive, non-theologianistic, believing in science and breathing clean air and stuff is a good thing?
Try, just a little, to challenge your conditioning. There's still time to grow.
Have a nice day.
Nancy, Megalomaniac is just such a word that describes the GOP, and especially the GOP candidates to a T concerning one of their 'Gods,' the all mighty $ sign, but then again, you knew that.
How does such an ignorant person get in charge of a country... ohh, never mind.
Zapper:
One is not born gay...there have been zero studies that come to that conclusion. That said if one chooses to be gay and wants to run a country then they will have to adjust to the fact that they are not going to be considered normal.
I think I would rather be a dictator than Gay.. Kinda a weird statement I thought?
Being "born gay" is the new gay agenda mantra to try to gain public sympathy for their choice to be homosexual. The gay population is waiting with bated breathe for the first gay scientist to insist he has found a gay genetic link so the gay population can howl "Told you! We can't help being this way, therefore gay sex education should be taught along with straight education in schools in the name of equality."
Coincidentally, pedophiles also claim that they were "born that way."
Actually, he look like a gay dictator. He's one of those closeted gay-haters, most likely.
@happy42xxx...It is truly sad and pathetic to witness someone choosing to be utterly ignorant. By your logic you must have chosen to be straight. I wonder exactly what day in your life that you woke up and had that mental conversation.
So tell us, when did you choose to be straight? Or are you saying that you struggle with the desire to suck dick at every opportunity and you're angry that you can't come to terms with it?
I guess every straight guy is just a pedophile in hiding right? Or did you not know that pedophiles go after little girls too?
Classic self loather!
I'm not gay...but to those saying that homosexuals aren't "born gay"....let me ask you this. Did you choose to be heterosexual....did you one day make a distinct decision, "Hmmm, I think I'm gonna go ahead an be straight"? Or were you born that way? Chances are you've been heterosexual since birth, just like homosexuals are born as they are...or you are homophobic because you have homosexual feelings you are repressing. Stop letting the church, party, and Murdoch media tell you how to think and make your own decisions, educate yourself.
Also, if homosexuality is a choice, then why do beings in the animal kingdom act in a homosexual fashion without having the cognitive ability to apprehend "choice" as we human beings know and understand choice. In other words, instinctual animals display homosexuality, indicating, if anything, that there most likely is a biological/neurological explanation for the sexual tendencies of sentient beings, not "choice".
Happy42...There is no proof that homosexuality is congenital in humans because it would be unethical to perform experiments on humans, that in other mammals, including primates, has proven it is congenital. The overwhelming majority of science confirms that homosexuality in mammals is congenital.
People who are knowledgeable of the subject know this, so if you wish, you can continue to make statements like you did and let others know where education level on the subject stands.
I didn't know that people need clinical studies and conclusive proof to justify common sense. Next people will be asking for a double-blind SRS to determine whether pissing into the wind is a smart idea.
Enacting voter repression laws, bashing gays (until caught having gay sex). Yep, he'd fit right in with the Republican taliban party.
The word "пидорас" (Russian style skewed "pederast") means in Russian "gay" (or rather more demeaning "fag"), but more often is used as a general slur without its sexual meaning.
Like a joke goes:
"Have you heard [name here] is a fag?"
"What, did he borrow some money from you and refused to pay back?"
"No, I mean in the good sense of the word."
I wonder how soon this post will be collapsed, even though it has no ill intent towards anyone, just an explanation of a cultural phenomenon.
@happy42xxx, I'm a heterosexual... never made the choice to be one... just have zero sexual attraction to males. To say that it's a choice implies that you repressed homosexual feelings. I think that the most homophobic among us struggle with this and accept the lie that we are all like them... more otfen, they live in fear that these feelings will be revealed.
That sounds so much like a schoolyard retort during 4th grade recess. What'll he do next - stick his tongue out and give 'em the finger? :D
First, let me comment on the article: Lukashenko is a dumbass. There, that was easy.
Secondly, a lot of you are talking about science and genetics and you have no idea what you're saying.
Let's just quickly address the talking point: "When did you choose to be heterosexual?" You have to be really absurd to use this because the real answer is going to ruin any argument you're trying to make. Heterosexuality is genetic because of obvious reasons: procreation.
However, homosexuality is not proven to be genetic. I'm not saying that it isn't, because you're right when you all claim that this behavior is evident in the rest of the animal kingdom. It's just not proven to be. Similarly, there are many other behaviors, etc, that may or may not be genetic, and thus fall into the nature/nurture debate.
It may, in fact, some day be proven that homosexuality is genetic. Or that it may not. Does it really matter? What you do behind closed doors is your own business and, so long as you're not hurting anyone, is perfectly fine (this is a general statement, not just about homosexuality, so don't get up-in-arms about the "hurting anyone" part). Outside of sexual preference, both types of people are indistinguishable in terms of capabilities.
And discrimination is wrong. Whether it be against race, age, sex, sexual orientation, etc.
So really, there doesn't even need to be an argument about whether you were born that way. It doesn't matter in the least. We only get about 80 years on this planet if we're lucky, live your life in a way that makes you happy, and try not to ruin the happiness of others as they set out to do the same.
Never knew anyone born queer. Only people I know were either born male or female. It is much better to avoid this behavior above all behaviors. Dictator or not...he's smarter than many.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union some of the newly independent republics where bound to slip back into communist dictatorship. Belarus and Russia both have slipped. Belarus into outright communism and Russia into a Putin dictatorship with a better economy due to oil.
I'll believe "born gay" when homosexual men don't suddenly develop a lisp when they come out.
Very funny. Why collapse?
Clearly, many people have no idea about homosexuality. One is born to be or not. It is not a choice. I can't help the ignorance of so many except in this attempt to enlighten. I can't cure your bigotry, either. Let me ask you this, what do you have to personally gain by denying that someone is born gay? And considering the gay person, do you really think that someone would choose to be the target of such bigotry? It's not a choice.
Just a little bio on me: I'm a straight, white female pushing 60. I've learned a lot over the years, and in that process, I've discovered many things. I have come to understand that we are all different, while so many others insist that we must be the same. I accept people for who they are, not what I want them to be. I can't change anyone's sexual orientation anymore than I can change their skin color. Do I hate someone who has a different complexion than I? I'm tall, someone else is short. Do I hate that person because he didn't grow taller? Someone has different religion than I--do I hate that person because of that choice? Think about it. Is all the hate worth it, choice or not?
We are all different. Fear of that little fact does nothing for anyone. Don't be driven by fear and ignorance. Have courage and learn.
The Kathy Griffins don't quite have a grasp on sexuality as a whole. It exists on a continuum and can be influenced by enviormental factors that you and many others were not subjected to. It's far from black and white thus on some level, for hundreds of thousands it is indeed a choice. On some level, to go against what was intended willingly or unwillingly depends upon on the person.
Absolutely. It's the "look at me" factor. I knew people that suddenly became gay when it became the new "punk" in the 80's, and in turn they started to dress in fashions to bring even more attention to themselves.
In other words you have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you can't identify a gene for something doesn't mean it's something you can choose.
Let's just put an end to this, "Born Gay" argument and other "why gays are bad" myths, shall we?
1. "There have been no conclusive tests that prove this theory!" - Do you believe in fat cells or people who are left handed? We don't know the genes that causes either or how they are distributed, but we have them none the less.
2. "I'm not gay but I know they aren't born gay."- If you are a man, would you claim to know what it's like to feel childbirth? If you are a woman, would you claim to know what it's like to have your testicles hit hard? If you are white, would you claim to know what it's like to be black? How can you "know" something that you have no no idea what it's like to be?
3. "Pedophiles and drunks say they are born this way too!"- Comparing homosexuality and alcoholism is like comparing being a red head to someone with a physical disability. You can color your hair to fit in, but it only masks it and you can't change it (homosexuality). You can buy corrective shoes or wear a brace to fix a physical disability (alcoholism). Comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is like comparing a left handed person to a serial killer. You might not like it, but homosexuality has been conclusively found to be a part of nature and does have a place within the natural scheme of nature.
4."It's not homophobic to have an opinion."- I agree! You don't have to like or agree with gays and I do think some people are labeled homophobic when they shouldn't. Let's say I don't like people who get divorced because they lack the ability to follow through on a commitment. Does that mean I should be out advocating they shouldn't be able to marry again? What about couples that are swingers? Should there marriage be nulled because they aren't having monogamous sexual relations? Should we start asking if people plan on being monogamous on their marriage application? My opinion doesn't, nor should it, affect the legal entrance into a contract with another person. The problem comes in when your OPINION tries to GOVERN an entire group of people.
5. "Homosexuality is against the bible."- One could write a book, so I will keep it brief. (see point #4) Ask a Baptist if a Catholic is going to get to heaven. Ask a Catholic if a Mormon is going to get into heaven. Ask a Jehovah's Witness if the 7th Day Adventist is getting into heaven. Ask a Pentecostal if the Methodist is going to get into heaven. If the ultimate goal is salvation and you feel as a group of Christians that homosexuality is a sin, why don't you first try to figure out the riddle of salvation and try to convert your fellow Christians to the right way to gain access to heaven. Leave the rest of the world to worry about themselves. Your house is messy enough.
6. "Marriage has always been about a man and woman."- Or five women. Or decided by how much dowry the girl has. Marriage has been redefined constantly over the centuries. Women weren't equal in a marriage until historically very recent. Interracial marriage is even a more recent change. Interfaith marriage is a recent change. Simply because your OPINION does not follow that of convention does not mean you have the right to use your OPINION to deny people rights.
7. "The liberals are more hateful."- There is stupidity on both sides of this argument and people who are just as hateful on both sides of this argument. However, are "liberals," which liberals aren't the only ones who support marriage equality, trying to deny you the right to marry the person you love? Are liberals trying to deny you the ability to live your life as you see fit? You are allowed to dislike and disagree all you want. No one's trying to take away your OPINION other than the OPINION you have the right to use your OPINION and religious beliefs to dictate to others how they should or should not live their life.
8. "If everyone was gay, we would die out as a species."- Last time I checked, we have children that go hungry and without food or shelter everyday in this world. Last time I checked, we have a problem with over crowding and limited resources. Homosexuality has been a part of our world since the beginning of time. And yet, we're still here. Go figure.
9. "If we allow gays to marry, what next? Marrying your dog or polygamy?"- This is a tired and loathsome argument designed to associate gays with activities that are illegal. Animals cannot enter into a contract as they can not provide consent. (fail) Polygamy is against the law. The polygamist gets one free marriage, just like everyone else. After that, they can have a religious ceremony to celebrate their love, just not a federally sanctioned one as they have used up their one free pass. It's only against the law to have more than one legal spouse. There is no law to say how many spiritual spouses they may have.
10. "This confuses children and sends the wrong message."- First off, the message of love and respect is never the wrong message. The only time children seem to get confused is when their parents and community drill into their head that it's wrong. Children that have been raised by gay parents are no more likely to be gay or bisexual than children raised by heterosexual parents. Some countries have had gay marriage and equality laws for decades. There doesn't seem to be a giant jump in children throwing up their hands and saying, "WOO HOO! I'm gay now." I would suggest that the confusion is in other places, not with the kids.
If you got this far, thank you for reading. I realize that this is a long post. And as been pointed out by those that don't agree with gays, they have the right to their opinion. Throwing around the term homophobic loosely is unwise and harmful. Stupidity knows no political affiliation.
So when Republican gay basher Larry Craig got busted having gay sex in the airport bathroom stall he was saying "look at me"?
Obviously, he was hiding his choice, on multiple levels. There's always exceptions to every rule, but when a gay man wears feminine cloths, or wears male cloths in an effeminate manner, or a lesbian dresses like a lumberjack, they are trying to draw attention to themselves. But nice try.
This is actually a weak argument because it's using laws to argue morals; historically homosexuality has been outlawed in the past and I'm sure a number of Republicans would love to outlaw it if they could. Morally, there's nothing wrong with polygamy as long as everyone's a consenting adult, but as far as I can tell there just isn't enough demand to legalize it outside of Utah.
As far as pedophiles . . . the reason it's wrong to have sex with children is the same reason it's wrong to have sex with a woman who's had one too many beers. Neither one is capable of giving informed consent and it is thus rightly considered rape. You could nitpick the finer details until the cows come home about when someone is capable of making sound judgment, but that's where the whole age of majority comes into play.
arguesforsport,
"when a gay man wears feminine cloths, or wears male cloths in an effeminate manner, or a lesbian dresses like a lumberjack, they are trying to draw attention to themselves."
Maybe. But most don't do that. I think you are confusing cross-dressing (transvestism) with being gay. They're two different things. Many transvestites are not gay at all, and most gays are not transvestites. As for your remark about speaking with a lisp, not all gay men speak with a lisp nor are all gay men effeminate. You are stereotyping.
Women weren't allowed to vote. African American's had to use separate facilities. Laws do help change morals, don't they? The fact is, homosexuality is not a criminal offense nor will it be ever again. So, i don't see it as a weak argument as it using the legal code to define what is moral and what isn't, from a criminal offense perspective. There are many laws that people consider "immoral." The fact is, when we speak in legal terms, we define how other things are considered right or wrong based on the law.
Pedophiles- I agree what you said. My point is that trying to relate homosexuals to pedophiles in comparison terms is wrong. They are two completely different entities and cannot be compared.
i love this guy. and agree totally with his statement.
Wow you are probably a fan of Hitler, Milosevic and Pinochet.
My God have pity on your soul
right on!
Frankly True,
"Wow you are probably a fan of Hitler, Milosevic and Pinochet."
As well as a fan of Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan!
And Obama, the great pretender and first Muslim POTUSSA
John Gal.
With a name like John Gal, you can be homophobic?
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Have a nice day.
Now, cue up all the homosexual catchwords to hurl at this guy - "bigot" "hater" "Christian"
How dare he express an opinion that even remotely raises GLADD's gaydar.
Timonthy, did you enjoy it last night? Just wondering.
then move there
It's my opinion that he's a bigot. Or are you saying it's only bigots who get to have opinions?
It's people like bagamoto and John gal and Timothy that personify the fundamental problem with the human race...ignorance, general stupidity, and blind hate (not necessarily in order of commenters and comments made)
Please, don't have children. If you already have, please make a large donation to any charity that benefits the following generation(s)...you guys reallllly owe them.
That is me expressing my opinion.
Sounds like a kid in a schoolyard, to me. What a totally ridiculous and uncalled for statement.
Only thing I would add, Alex, is: Women, don't have sex with boymen, bigots, racists or control freaks like the haters above. Heart is Sexy!!!!! Hate is Repulsive!
I remember flipping people's comments and insults back at them in this manner........when I was in the 3rd grade! My kids have more class than this DICKtator! People like this only steal oxygen from the rest of the world!
Felipeuga...you made me smile...loved your post!
I bet you a "gay" man made his suit.
People must think, Why do so supposedly "straight" people "HATE"?
"HATE". Is evil.
Hate is evil...but gay is wrong also.
Yes but right now gay is the new black. ( fashion not race)
Despise, is the word you are looking for.
You have to know someone tho hate them.
I'll bet his boyfriend runs the house.
the word hate was never said! read it again stupid! but anyone who says anything about gays is filled with hate! sorry but i don`t want to see 2 men or 2 women holding hands or kissing. thats just the way it is and was and allways will be, sorry. no hate just wrong!!
Then look the other way or crawl under a rock, or better yet, look inside your bigoted self and try and find a semblance of tolerance, cause they aren't going away.
So don't watch?
Muddlerfly, try a little maturity with your post next time. "Stupid"? Are you in the second grade? Where has civil discourse gone in this country? You may respectfully disagree with others, and have a right to post about it, however abhorrent of self-centered those posts may be. Insult posts, if you must. But I get sick and tired of the personal attacks and juvenile name calling that goes on around here.
@muddlerfly...I don't want to see straight people holding hands or kissing in public either.What's your point. Gay people have always been here and always will be. Grow up and get used to it. If you are secure in your sexuality you don't have to worry about anyone else's. It has no effect on you. Fortunately the younger generation is growing-up to know this. Some day in the not-so-distant future a person's sexual orientation will be of no more importance than whether they or right or left handed.
Maybe that's why Assad hasn't made any anti-gay statements. He knows that would bring down the wrath of the West. Simply slaughtering people is acceptable, but if you should offend them......UNACCEPTABLE!!11!
Lol. You can slaughter as many people as you want. Just don't make any un pc statements or you will face sanctions and verbal lashings.
Good point bobthemedic
You guys are right...it has nothing to do with the fact that tensions with Iran (a most likely already nuclear country, speaking of weapons not just enrichment), who backs Syria, are extremely high as we are trying to prevent an Iranian/Israeli war...Iran from pursuing Uranium enrichment...further destabilization in the middle-east...as well as finally attempt to pull out of Afghanistan.
We could assist the Libyian rebels as there were no potential consequences in aiding that rebellion which were national security threats (they weren't anti-gay were they?). We can't assist the Syrian rebels because it potentialyl would cause a war with Iran...which will most likely cause a war with Russia and China, as they support Iran.
Also, the UN Security Council (two permanent members which are China and Russia) has to agree on sanctions and military action against a sovereign nation. China and Russia's interests are pro-Assad, as pro-Assad means pro-Ahmadinejad (that's the leader of Iran guys). Also, sanctions on Belarus, a formerly communist and Soviet country, ARE in the interests of China and Russia, as the fail of any country formerly under Soviet control, but now autonomous, benefits Russia, which benefits China.
But don't delve too deeply into such a delicate situation, just go ahead and say the first thing that comes to mind. It's called thinking, I know you can do it guys.
Simply trying to point out the absurdity of vilifying this man because he is not a fan of hairy butts. This should not be front page news.
Ok, I don't care about gay people trying to get married... I don't think they should be able to, at all, and I don't think their efforts to force their lifestyle down America's throat should be in the news, because WHO CARES. I don't care what else they do, and I have no problem with them generally speaking, but marriage? Sorry, that is a traditional, cultural rite of passage that isn't open to interpretation, and from a societal standpoint, marriage serves social purposes that are not served by same-sex couples. Period. But this guy is a little off... better to be gay than to be a dictator, no question.
contradict yourself much?
We are glad you don't care about gay people trying to get married. Leave it at that.
Yes, we are glad you don't care about gay people getting married, except you DO!
LOL...
Did some one of the same sex ask you to marry them???
It is not about marraige or equality or civil rights. If all you want is marraige then move to CA where being liberal and gay is the norm, but it is about federal benefits under the tax system.
John Gal, kinda hard to take you serious with THAT name.
Glad has 2 a`s dosen`t it stupid? thanks sd11-3314639
John Gal, gay marriage is actually about two things, one is your point, the benefits. Secondly, the social recognition of legitimacy, and this is the part about the gay agenda that I do not understand. Why is it so important for a lot (not all) of gay men and women to feel like they need to be recognized for being gay. If you are gay and want recognition, do it like the rest of us, earn it with your deeds. Achieve greatness in your life and you will get the recognition you need/deserve regardless of your sexuality.
My wife and I both have gay couples as friends and neither couple wants any form of recognition for their preferences behind closed doors. Both couples have gone to lawyers to have documents drawn up for their possessions and health care decisions to be in each others controls first. So in other words, they are married. They did not need or want the public spectacle or feel they needed everyone else to care about "marriage". In their minds, they are married because of their commitment to each other and thats all that is really important anyway.
KC Simple...I think you miss the point here. The desire is not to recognized for being gay - the desire is to recognized for being 'equal'. Man gay men and woman I know 'have' indeed worked very hard and have earned recognition in their various fields, by their employers, by their towns and communities. Yet the Federal Government refuses to recognized them as equals - that is the problem.
The issue with the couples you know is that despite having paperwork drawn up...legally they have limited rights. Despite the paperwork, should one of them become sick - the family of the sick partner can bar the other partner from making any decisions and even from visitation. Despite having the paperwork and perhaps even a will drawn up - the family of a deceased partner can contest the will and in 99% of the cases wins the legal argument against the surviving partner for property. In too many cases - families who have cast off gay sons and daughters have swept in like vultures upon their death to take everything and every cent they owned.
@The Maitre, you are right! That just happened to a friend of mines uncle. His partner passed away (Florida) they thought they had all the right paperwork....NOT! The family swept in and took everything, and now this 80 year old man had to move in with relatives, that have always denied he is even gay. What a sad way for him to live out the rest of his life.
Hate is not inherently evil. Sometimes it's needed to spur positive action. E.g.: It's not evil to hate evil. Some things SHOULD be universally detestable, such as rape or murder... and totalitarian regimes such as Belarus.
And homosexuality. Or are you the one who gets to decide what is evil and what is not?
I disagree with the first statement.
If you can't lead your body they way it was built how can you lead a country
This is pretty simple and is know for all mammals.
A penis is a male sexual organ.
A vagina is a female sexual organ.
if you have one and not the other it defines your sexual orientation.
if you have both you had a birth defect and then you may have a problem understanding your sexual identity.
That case would be like someone who was born with autism or some sort of mental retardation (not implying that a that they are mentally disabled) but a person with a birth defect may wonder why they are different than everyone else.
So to all you homosexuals out there drop your pants and look to see who you are and start acting like it.
@ Shawn simple and strait to the point... I endorse
Shawn, would you please explain your logic to the lower animals that perform homosexual acts on one another? Penguins? Dolphins? Any of the myriad other species that do it?
Sexual identity and sexual orientation are two different things, as well... Wow...
Have we really become this obtuse as a civilization?
idiot
shawn,
"A penis is a male sexual organ.
A vagina is a female sexual organ.
if you have one and not the other it defines your sexual orientation."
No. Your genitals determine only your biological sex; not your sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is psychological; not biological, although it may have a biological basis.
what Felipeua said!!
Shawn is not an idiot, people. He's simply mentally retarded; and the same is true for all who speak (or write, as the case may be) before they know all the facts. As another commentator pointed out, there are a myriad of animals that have been fully documented as having homosexual behavior. One of them, many of you haters already have in your own homes, is the common canine.
JiM WHITE------ You homsexuals love that canard.
It is a matter of availability, in almost every case when a animal of the other sex becomes available they drop the gay perversion.
Nancy is just pissed off because she is a woman trapped in a priest's body.
Everybody is a little gay according to Ron White.
Actually not the case Nancy. In the animal world - species have homosexual behavior with plenty of M/F partnering options around.
In fact...homosexual behavior is quite natural - meaning if is found in nature quite often. The ONLY reason society has a negative regard for it is because texts written by man thousands of years ago, with no knowledge of a majority of the natural world, created laws aimed at self preservation of a nomadic community (for those who don't understand - nomadic tribes such as the Hebrews could only survive by popping out as many kids as possible. Hence the 'sin' of a man shooting his seed 'anywhere' that doesn't produce offspring. The goal was to 'spread that seed' as often and in as many woman as possible to create as many children as possible).
Sexual orientation is biological. It is a function of brain morphology which is determined by the level of hormones, estrogen and testosterone, present during gestation.
"Actually not the case Nancy. In the animal world - species have homosexual behavior with plenty of M/F partnering options around.
In fact...homosexual behavior is quite natural - meaning if is found in nature quite often. The ONLY reason society has a negative regard for it is because texts written by man thousands of years ago, with no knowledge of a majority of the natural world, created laws aimed at self preservation of a nomadic community (for those who don't understand - nomadic tribes such as the Hebrews could only survive by popping out as many kids as possible. Hence the 'sin' of a man shooting his seed 'anywhere' that doesn't produce offspring. The goal was to 'spread that seed' as often and in as many woman as possible to create as many children as possible)."
So I guess when my dog humps my leg it's being an interspeciessexual? Animals engage in ever and any type of behavior inculding but not limited to incest, pedophilia, and cannabalism. That's relatively what homosexuality is, backwards animal behavior.
To HS321: I'm hoping you are suggesting this is your own theory and not that of scientific fact.
Two identical twins, 1 hetero, 1 homo. Deserves an explanation according to your theory and as of yet nothing has been proven.
Just saying.
Nancy: Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was unaware that I'm homosexual until you set me straight, so to speak. I'd love to stay and discuss the revelation, but I have a list of things I now have to do (thanks again to you):
1) I have to come out to my girlfriend of five years.
2) I have to tell her that, apparently, I've been pretending she had a penis while we were having sex.
3) I have to tell my two children that I can't possibly be their father because I don't like women.
4) I have to come out to my parents, and that should be loads of fun! Well, mom will be okay with it, but my stepfather will never let me go to hunting camp again. I like hunting camp, damn it.
Thank you, Nancy. You can't even get my name right, but you've delved so deftly into my psyche (in a mere 30 words, no less) and enlightened me. You're a good friend.
I'm Jeremy White, new convert to the Church of the Unholy Homosexual, and I approve this message.
Oh, wait... You called me a "homsexual". Nevermind then.
Imagine a Gay Dictator. Now that would be something.
The Producers.
How about Alexander the Great? He was gay, AND found time to be an amazing General and ruler too.
Well hopefully the gay dictator would be btter looking than that flabby old man.
I'm gay and proud of it. Sames sex marriage is not only about being able to marry who you want it is about being able to make decisions for each other that married couples can. Medical decisions, property decisions.
I have seen to many gay couple that unless they go to an atty. and put it in writing that had been shut out of decisions for their partners when it comes to things they have built together and that the hetro community takes for granted.
Your arch conservative on The View said it was not gay marriage that threatened her marriage, but all the straight divorces.
Gay has been around since the beginning. It wasn't called homosexality until the 19th century. Jesus in his teachings never mentions the issue of same sex. Do you really believe that if there were anything in the text that have been translated so many times that the issue would not have been published. Jesus's teachings are what the Christian faith are built on and that is a love not hate.
@CBait
Alexander was bisexual by modern standards. He had three wives and two known children. By some accounts Hephaestion his best friend was his greatest love. When Hephaestion died Alexander wept openly over his body and decreed public mourning. Hephaestion's funeral was large and elaborate. It would have cost by today standards close to $3 billion.
Ancient sexuality was different from modern day. Men could have sex with each other as long as the dominate partner was older or superior in station.
Many of the Roman Emrpors was Nero married men on two different occasions. The emperor Elagabalus married an athlete named Hierocles.
He also has the biggest comb-over in Europe
He also has the biggest comb-over in Europe
Hah!
to SD11-3314639. And What "social purposes" does getting married serve that makes it wrong for gay people? And last time i checked, killing people of opposite religion, race and social status was once a commonly accepted part of tradition and culture world wide. (last time i checked those all served a purpose in their society.....still didn't make them right)
Just as an individual who does not agree with the homosexual lifestyle being labeled a "homophobe" is dead wrong but at least here in America, it seems to be the acceptable "PC" thing to do anytime someone decides they would rather stand on their own principals of morality. The utter bias, hate and intolerance against those who do not back the gay agenda need to be dealt with. As I know that I speak for others as well as myself, just because someone disagrees or does not support an issue does not mean they are fearful or full of hate. Unfortunately, the liberal left has etched this rhetoric in stone to it's followers just like a cult. No longer is America a country based on personal freedom unless those freedoms back the liberal agenda. Does this guy hate gays? Maybe, but who cares, he is not in America and it's obvious the other countries don't think his anti gay speech is to important as they don't address things that should be a private individual issue for one. Want to have an impact? Try preaching gay rights in the Middle East. Stop beating a country to death who otherwise eats out of the hands of special interest groups while trampling upon the freedoms of the rest of it's people. I do not condone violence against anyone for any reason but if the homosexual community thinks they have Americans fooled with their own inciting violence by the very words they speak, sorry, the joke is on them, Americans are slowly seeing through the biased agenda and once we wake up enough people who care about personal freedoms, the days of pandering and treating special interest groups as if they are royalty while the rest of us are labeled as criminals for daring to speak about our disgust... If gays want the world to respect them then they better follow their own advice and learn to respect those who will not side on their lifestyle. Just because someone doesn't does not mean they are religious, there are plenty of Atheists who do not agree with the gay lifestyle as well. Gays need to first clean up their own intolerance before going around crying about others, you know, similar to the " speck in your brothers eye/plank in your own eye" theology? Then again, that is Biblical so I guess according to the PC Gay agenda that means I was raised eating a special brand of Alpha Bits cereal that spelled out " hate gays " in every spoon full while my neoconic, warmongering, Christian parents forced me to repeat the scripture where God calls homosexuality an abomination over and over until I was repeating the phrase in my sleep, Sound about right? Sound like the basic gay assumption of anyone who dare not agree with them? Lets just wait and read the attacks centered around this post as proof.
Rob - agree. There most definitely is a bias against anyone who expresses an opinion that isn't in line with the liberal agenda. I do not endorse gay "marriage" for religious reasons. That doesn't mean I want to cause any kind of harm or hate homosexuals. I disagree with the behavior just as I do adultery, drug abuse, alcoholism, etc. I can separate the person from the behavior. However, we aren't allowed to have an opinion that doesn't fall right in step with the PC agenda. There is more hate and intolerance coming from the left than anywhere else.
You can't use "religious reasons" to oppose gay marriage because marriages licensed by the state are not religious in nature. A couple can be legally married at a courthouse (or at a country club or on a boat, etc.) without any of the traditional trappings of religious marriage. Atheists can get married. Christians can get divorces!
You kind of made the point, Philo. people's reasons are their own; not up to you or any other liberal to decide what people's reasons are for their opinions. So, yes, he can use "religious reasons" to oppose gay marriage.
The gays are headed for a place, they are not going to like when they get there.
They were tolerated as long a s they didn't keep pushing in front of our face.
I hear remarks from people now, that never cred at all, before.
One can be personally opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, but one cannot make the argument that gay couples should not be able to receive a state marriage certificate because of religious reasons. This is an important distinction that is often missed for reasons probably related to historical privilege. The assertion that gay marriage ought to be *legally* prohibited must be rooted in secular reasoning.
Nancy, by YOUR logic then, African Americans and Women shouldn't have equal rights today either, concerning 'pushing things in OUR face.' But then again, I'm sure YOUR God will be happy to see your common sense 'Christian' hide.
Ya know Rob, I haven't heard one single gay person say that they require any of you to agree with them, or even respect them. No, your respect ISN'T required. As far as seeing through the biased agenda . . . hah! Every single day, more and more of your religious people are siding with gay people. Public opinion may not be where liberals would like it to be yet, but it IS closer to it, than it has ever been in recent history. It's nearly to the point of tipping to the side of lgbt people, and I'm sure that every one of you religious people can feel it too. That's why so many of you are getting worried, and spewing all your hate speech and political rhetoric. Trying against hope to reverse the trend. All I can say to you is, "Ha ha ha ha!!". Oh, and one more thing. I find it interesting that none of you who spew your hate speech about gay people, understand how much gays have been persecuted. Not one single religious person has been harmed in ANY real or perceived way by a gay person being gay; but there have been countless gays and lesbians robbed, assaulted, beaten, stoned, and murdered in the name of religion. So pardon me if I want to ram this down your throats for a while. I feel so badly that you're struggling with this issue. NOT!!
Nancy, are you a Christian?
You do know Jesus loved gays so much that he hung on a cross and died for their sins, right?
If gays are good enough for Jesus, shouldn't they be good enough for you?
WWJD?
hs321- Yes of course Jesus willingly died so that all those that believe in him and accept him as their Savior may have eternal life. However, along with accepting Christ as Savior, comes the responsibility to live life as the Bible teaches. All fall short and sin, but if we REPENT, can be forgiven. Here is the difference. I am not spewing hate, as I said in my previous post I wish no one harm. But I cannot in good conscience not post the truth. The behavior is wrong but can be forgiven. Just as the thief on the cross next to Jesus was forgiven after repenting and asking.
@Rob
Yes, you can have your opinions. That's fine, but you must draw the line at letting the majority vote regarding the lives of special interest groups. They're special interest groups for a reason. Discrimination is not gone. So call me lefty, but I don't believe America was ever intended to trample upon the small. By the way, if the minority ruled, gay marriage would already be legal. Stop complaining because you're probably rich, white, and straight in America.
Wow Shawn. Ignorant much? You dont really pay much attention to animals do you? You ever own 2 male dogs?
I owned two male dogs once. the one male tried to go on top of the other male dog and it paid for its mistake. with its life. So your point is?
Did the other dog kill it or did you because you thought it was gay? Usually amongst dogs, it is a dominance issue. I wonder if that is where the expression "top dog" came from?
I think it is hilarious when gays begin comparing themselves to animals. LOL
Have you ever tried to stop a pit bull from attacking? Its not easy, even for I, as much experience that I have with dogs. Once a pit bull goes on the attack, you cant stop it. Too bad I had to put that pit bull down afterwards. That dog cost me a lot of money.
The ultimate irony being that the EU itself is a dictatorship also.
TJP77 you hit the nail on the head!
Yeah, the EU has brought back Gestapo uniforms and concentrations camps... Do you actually know anything about anything? Just askin'.
Yes, because all dictators are Nazis and all Nazis are dictators. Clearly you're the one who knows about such things. Surely every dictator in the history of the world has worn a Gestapo uniform, right?
Fact is that the EU council is not elected by the citizens of Europe, and the president of the EU is not elected either. This council has the power to tax and regulate (among other things) without any direct electoral accountability to the voters, a system otherwise known as 'taxation without representation'.
If your elementary school education had taught you anything, you'd know that 'taxation without representation' is what started the Revolutionary War. So yes, the EU is indeed a dictatorship.
Lucashenko says "better a dictator than gay". How about a gay dictator, is that any better or worse?
Was that a closeted comment?
Sure looks like one, doesn't it?
"Methinks the guys doth protest too much."
That comment seemed totally out of the closet to me...
I think this fellow, if deposed, can find a job on AM Radio...
nah
Has he ever tasted being gay before becoming a dictator? Sounds plausible judging from the statement.
A comunist style dictator who openly hates gays. Now in America we seem to be leaning toward a society of socialism and loss of liberty and freedom. This is why I alwas tell my friends who are gay they need to be wary of the left, not embrace them as their savours.
Oh yea, like the right is all about gay rights! What an absurd statement.
...because the republicans have done SO much for the gay community, right???
rick the ridiculous!
Loss of WHAT freedoms? And be SPECIFIC, don't generalize. I'd like to know exactly what individual freedoms you have lost. And when you list them, make sure you note who may have responsible for instituting them.
"Lukashenko has criticized homosexuality in the past. Last year he said he "did not like gays."
I'm sure the feeling is mutual!
The wire services misquoted this guy. His actual words were "better a dictator than a dick taster."
:-)
You do have a point there!
I wonder how he explains the laminated membership card to the gay sex club in Belarus.?
Let me guess. Next the U.S. will have to have a gay president. They are always shoving their sexuality in your face.
And "straights" aren't?
he may not be gay, but he sure knows who to act like a childish little boy
Yes, I agree, it's the little guy that gets bullied over one thing or another. The real problems the U.N. will not even touch, but they have to bully someone to justify themselves to the rest of the world.