President Obama met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the Oval Office and discussed the crisis over potential Iranian nuclear weapons. Msnbc's Thomas Roberts has the latest.
Updated at 11:55 a.m. ET: WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, aiming to head off any premature Israeli strike on Iran, sought to assure Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday that the United States would always "have Israel's back" but said there was still time for diplomacy.
In a show of unity with an American leader with whom he has had a rocky relationship, Netanyahu said at the White House that both Israel and the United States stood together on the need to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
For his part, Obama said the "bond between our two countries is unbreakable."
The two men, sitting side by side and smiling at each other in the Oval Office, sought to present a united front in the Iranian nuclear standoff after weeks of mounting concern that Israel would preemptively strike Iran on its own.
Iran on radar as Obama talks to Israel supporters
"We believe there is still a window that allows for a diplomatic resolution," Obama said at one of the most consequential meetings of U.S. and Israeli leaders in years.
Even though Obama has offered assurances of stiffened U.S. resolve against Iran before the White House meeting, the two allies are still far apart on explicit nuclear "red lines" that Tehran must not be allowed to cross, and they have yet to agree on a time frame for when military action may be necessary.
"Both the prime minister and I prefer to solve this diplomatically," Obama said as he and Netanyahu began several hours of White House consultations. The U.S. will consider all options in confronting what it sees as the unacceptable outcome of an Iranian bomb, Obama said.
Obama said he would not hesitate to use military force against Iran but that talk of war has driven up oil prices. NBC's Mike Viqueira reports.
"Israel and America stand together," Netanyahu said. He added that Israel is a sovereign nation with the right to defend itself, a pointed reference to the main question hanging over Monday's high-stakes meeting: Whether to try to stop an Iranian bomb with a military attack in the next several months.
Netanyahu also made clear that Israel would be the "master of its fate" in deciding how to deal with Iran, which has called for the destruction of the Jewish state.
"It must have the ability to defend itself, by itself, against any threat," Netanyahu said, echoing remarks Obama made a day earlier in a speech to the powerful pro-Israel lobby AIPAC.
Iran focus as Obama talks to Israel backers
Obama has been urging Israel to allow sanctions more time to work against Iran's nuclear ambitions while balancing that with assurances of his resolve to do whatever is necessary to keep the Islamic republic from becoming a nuclear-armed state.
At the White House meeting, Obama told Netanyahu the United States reserved "all options" in dealing with Iran. The president has made clear that would include a possible military component.
In a meeting between the two world leaders, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not back down from possible military action against Iran, while President Barack Obama said there is a still a window during which sanctions could work. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
"We do not want to see a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region in the world," Obama said.
While Obama and Netanyahu -- who have had a strained relationship -- will share intelligence information, a source close to the administration told Reuters earlier that there was little reason to believe they would make significant progress toward bridging key differences on a common threshold for military action.
"They'll be looking for mutual understandings and may find a few, but the biggest problem is they're working on different clocks," the source said.
The president was expected to tell Netanyahu in private that although the U.S. is committed to Israel's security it does not want to be dragged into another war. Obama is unlikely to spell out U.S. "red lines" that would trigger a military response, despite Israeli pressure to do so.
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Screw Israel, let them defend themselves if they provoke Iran. Why is this country held hostage by them ? Jews are the source of all the problems in the Mideast and most of the world for that matter. What they're doing to the Palestinians is the holocaust. When will the United States declare its independence form Israel. US citizens have been kept in the dark by the Jew controlled media. This country needs an awakening of epic proportions.
Tonderance, the mid-east was messed-up long before Israel was reconstituted. Your Nazi like hatred is showing through.
The Liberal Left showing us how torrent they really are by continuing to side with Fascist Muslim Hatred of Jews.
No, the people who hate Jews are the ones causing all the problems, wake up.
Well spoken by a muslim loving idiot! 9/11 didn't happen because of the Jewish nation. Your bigotery is definitely standing right up front.
I am a German Christian and will proudly stand alongside my Jewish friends in defense of FREEDOM. IF Israel falls that whole region will be in Chaos. Then our Muslim buddies will turn their attention to US here in the USA. Wake up sheeple.
might have something to do with the Federal reserve Bank
All of you are bigotted and very misinformed. This isn't a one-way or the other situation. It's called tolerance, even though I dislike that word. Stated simply...
All muslims are not evil because a select faction of extremists attacked America on September 11, 2001.
All Israeli's and Jews are not evil because of the Palestinian oppression (I personally know Israeli's who hate what their country is doing in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as Palestinians who have lived peacefully in Israel).
Most hatred of jews stems from ignorance, not pro-islamic ideology...as most hatred of muslims stems from ignorance in the same manner.
All people who are pro-muslim are not liberals, as all people who are pro-Israeli aren't liberals.
The majority of media outlets are controlled by Rupert Murdoch, who is christian and republican. There is very little jewish influence over any of the media we see or hear.
To veteran....9/11 didn't happen because of the "muslim nation" either, it happened because we educated and militarily trained a leader of an extremist muslim sect to battle Soviets in the 1980's (thank you Regan), then left the Afghans to be slaughtered after Iran/Contra no longer benefitted our interests. 9/11 was absolutely horrible, terrorism, and justified in no way...but we set up the hatred of Al Q'aida and the establishment of their fundamentalism, it wasn't just because they practiced Islam that they decided to attack America.
Obama is christian and American, get over it.
Stop thinking (if that's what you call it) in black and white.
The US taxpayer still owes over $2.3 Trillion on the wars since 9/11. I suggest we pay that off before we start another one.
Pres Obama is watching out for our citizens, who will pay with our blood and resources. Good job Mr.President, you told that rightwing warmonger NO DRAGGING the US INTO ISRAEL's WAR
i say let them bomb iran. and then we let the 'judeo-christian nation' crowd justify why we should foot the bill for it while they scream and shout about cutting spending.
israel is quickly going to find out that the US is not ran by hawkish, blood thirsty neo-cons anymore, who cowardly sit back on their lazy boys while sending other people's children to die. it is, instead, ran by a reasonable people who think that there is more to foreign policy and bilateral relationships than just explosive ordnance.
Let Israel do what they want as long as it doesn't involve our money or blood...I'm sick of the jewish lobby holding our nation hostage to the theocracy in Israel...go kill if you want
Who has not tired of war and bloodshed? Raise your hands high. Who is personally willing to fight or have your family member fight? When will wisdom be borne in our leaders, the wisdom to wage peace? Many of us have unanswered questions, like in this song, why why occupy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49z3cheFN20
Marlen
Just where did you get that 2.3 Trillion as the costs of the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars?
Screw you and your stupid comments.Number 1, Israel is our friend and we don't throw our friends under the bus because of imbeciles like you. Number 2 if Iran does develop a Nweapon then life as we know it will completely end. There is nothing worst than a mad man who wants to eliminate our way of life with a weapon of mass destruction. Have we not learned our lessons from WW2? Has anything changed?
Slodon, experts have computed the final cost of the Iraq war alone, will exceed 3.5 trillion dollars. Some estimates are as high as 4.5 trillion dollars. We have to pay the costs of taking care of the wounded and maimed, as well as the over 350,000 soldiers with brain injuries for the next 60 years. We are also paying interest to China on the money Bush borrowed to pay for the war.
There are going to be tremendous costs replacing all the worn out planes, tanks and other military equipment, which suffered in the desert heat and sand of Iraq.
Israel is not our friend. They were involved in 9/11 and the attack on the USS Liberty. Those towers did not fall into their own footprints on their own. They were rigged to go in a controlled demolition. Bldg 7 was not even hit by a plane and it went down in 6.5 seconds. See the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel
If you want more info watch this one, however it is very lengthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ&feature=player_embedded#
You sound just like Nazi Germany is the 1930's
If Israel attacks Iran then the US should sit it out and watch from the sidelines. Israel perpetrated crimes against the Palestinians but has also been the victim of attacks by pro-Palestinian groups. This cycle of attack-be attacked-retaliate will NEVER end so it makes absolutely no sense for Israel to attack Iran. If you enjoy high gas prices, further debt due to war expenses, more US service men dying, a larger "world police" role for the US and are stupid then by all means push for a war with Iran... but after you get your wish please enlist in the military and go to the front lines. 7 retired generals and and high ranking intelligence officials have signed a letter to Obama to refrain from a "war of choice" with Iran.
In conclusion, Israel is a sovereign nation that can do what it wants but the US should not encourage or help any Israeli attack on Iran. Diplomacy (US with Iran) can ONLY work when both sides are feel at ease with the status quo... Israel is destroying that calm. In addition, Israel is not completely innocent of terrorist activities and violating UN peace resolutions... they have broken/ignored MANY UN resolutions with no repercussions. They are like the child at the playground who feels that he can get away with anything because their parents (US) will never punish them. Time for Israel to grow the EFFFF up. I am tired of taxpayer money going to them to buy US manufactured weapons. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
I think the U.S. should supply Iran with that nuke. Then they can hurl at Israel and then let the war heads fly. Turn that whole region into a glass skating rink and by the time all the nuclear fallout settles the problem will be solved. And China who sits on their ass and does nothing can eat it too!
Oh yeah, and Hollywood will have some new material.
If my neighbor makes the statement he is saving up to buy a bomb to kill my family, I am nor waiting until his money comes in to do something - I take him out - he has already telegraphed his punch and is a proven bully in the neighborhood. Too late to do anything when he has blown up my house and killed everyone. If Iran launches a NUKE it will more than likely kill 90% of Israelis - too late to respond then.
Go Jews!
Well said, Tonderance! However, America will never declare its independence from Israel because America's entire Political, Monetary, and Media system has been infiltrated by Zionist Jews. And no, I am not anti-semetic. Just stating a fact, while most Americans are led by the nose like a donkey with a carrot.
The "sanctions" seem to be working. I see it every time I fill the gas tank of my automobile.
Which country paid for and built the first nuclear reactor for Iran? Here is a clue; "Atoms For Peace."
This is a attempt to show unity; and hope it will bring Iran to the table; Obama knows without Congress approval any strike at Iran facility's, will be political suicide; in plain words he is afraid iIsrael may try to go it alone
Obama giving Israel assurances. ROTFLMAO!!!!!! No one believes anything Barak the Prevaricator of the United States say anymore. I see Netanyahu has figured that out too.
From some of the post here about Zionist Jews. Adolf Hitler would be proud to know his Nazi regime still lives 66 years after his death...
you stole my thunder.
Go Israel, go for it. With prez saying he'll back you up, best time to rip into iran.
Do we have new leaders in DC? Last I heard it was still Obombya. He's still every bit the warmonger neocon that Bush was, but with elections coming up he's got to put on his "nice robe" for awhile. Let the sheeples vote him in again, then it will come off...
Israel has been our closest ally since it became a country (again) in the Middle East (the same spot that was their country throughout the ages). A more dependable ally than ANY other country. To see Israel as the enemy shows lack of knowledge, prejudice, and a blind following of the liberal media. Wake up people... Islam hates Israel and the West.
Hey RalphH - It's on YouTube so it must be fact.
WalMart has a sale on tin foil - hurry...the price is dropping.
I hope Iran nukes the crap out of Israel. The whole world can then be at peace. Funny how we are the only ones on those bastards side. I guess the rest of the world is wrong right?
The sooner Israel is gone the better. If Obama want to send in troops, send in Jewish blood, let more of them scum die. Go ahead and collapse this msn community, these are the ones that get read you idiots.......
I honestly don't think Israel needs us to be their big brother here. They are pretty capable of taking out Iran's nuke threats quickly and effectively. What I don't like is the US thinking that WE should be the one's calling all the shots and telling everyone else what they should and should not do.
On the one hand our president bad-mouths the US's role in world affairs and insinuates that we are "just another country", yet on the other hand he wants to play the role of telling Iran and Israel what they should do and how they should react, etc. Maybe we should just let Israel take care of business and learn how it's done!
eric-1994638: you forgot to say Heil Hitler at the end of your rant.
Some of you people are sick. Follow hitler much? The Jewish people are not the problem, you are. Israel is a power house and fully capable of defending itself with or without us. We should not go to war, we should tacti nuke everything remotely linked to giving these nut jobs WMDs, wouldnt even have to surface the one sub it would take. Israel doesn't want us destroyed, iran dose, and you dumb @!$%#s blame the jews?? Do youeven hear yourself? Jewish media black out... the jews took down the towers... You people crack me up.
……….no word can describe the naivety of the chief! You can tell the election is around the corner. The look on Netanyahu’s face says it all.
Research who owns the VERY PRIVATE twelve branches of the Federal Reserve.
From Tonderance,
From nycguy
I would say the problem unreasoning hatred from both sides is one of the chief factors creating turmoil in the Middle East. It is also true that this area has had trouble for thousands of years.
The only possible solution that I can imagine, is a concerted effort by the major world powers to broker and enforce a peace.
But that would require Russia, China, the U.S. and Europe to work together, and we don't like each other either.
Funny, it just a little more than 20 years since the Soviet Union broke apart, the Berlin Wall came down and the Cold War ended. At the time many thought all our problems were over and we could beat our swords into plowshares. My, how times change.
I believe Obama when he says he has Israels back. Problem is that Israel knows he has a knife in his hand and is waiting for a chance to use it.
"The first thing that comes out of the GOP Tea ReTards mouth is, lets Bomb Iran-Warmongers" PS - Lets pay off the two unfunded wars that jackass "W" started before we start another War. This Nation is going Bankrupt. Stop with all the wars and foreign aid, its destroying our Country.
Tonderance - Take a seat in the classroom and the teacher will explain this to simpletons who cannot grasp history concepts. Palestinians do not genetically exist as a distinct people, since they are a mixture of many Arab nations through the years. This has been scientifically proven that they are a mixture of tribes and/or peoples from all over the Arab World which is why it is so screwed up over there. At best, and you can quote me on this; they are a pariah on the Middle East, because everywhere they go they formant trouble. That is why the Palestinians have been thrown out of Lebanon, Jordan, Tunisia, and Kuwait etc... If the Palestinians were wiped out the Arab world would not have a group they could use as their little beech against the Jews. You see, the Muslim world doesn't give a rat’s ass about the Palestinians; they just need them to kill Jews and cause mayhem in Israel. And, to them, it is a matter of honor for the Muslims to kick out all infidels within the Arabian Peninsula. It is to be an infidel free zone as far as their concern. But what really sticks in their craw is that Jerusalem was taken from them by the Jews and Israel return as a nation. That is extremely amusing from a Christian standpoint, since they too live there and worship. Imagine getting a double beech slapping from infidels? Now, the Jews are a distinct people as mentioned within the five books of Moses or the Old Testament. That has been scientifically proven by tracing their genetics and studying their heretical linkage back thousands of years. The Palestinians came into existence in 1948, when the Arabs were kicked out of the land that is now Israel! Technically, the Palestinians, as far as research can determine, belong in Jordan!
Class is now over so go to your room.
Here we go again, follow the rules and MsNBC collapsed my comment anyways because telling the truth about the liberal left is against the talking points handed to them by the Obama and the DNC. No wonder FOX NEWS cleans your clock in the ratings. ALL I AM ASKING FOR IS A LITTLE IMPARTIALITY.
Anything to the right of center on here is "hate speech" and must not be tolerated for the good of "the community"... Haven't you learned that yet?
Israel would be smart not to hang their future on hopes that Obama would protect them from Iran. Obama has though his life has been indoctrinated on Jewish Hatred from his Muslim Childhood to the extremist Reverend Wright's teachings of White and Jewish hatred. Obama is not a freind to Israel. I just do not understand why the American Jews support him except that he is a liberal.
Because American Jews aren't the idiot sheep you tea-party fundamentalists think we are?
We realize you love Israel because you're waiting for the end of the world when your messiah will come down and convert us by the sword or kill us and send us to hell for eternity if we don't convert. We get it.
Netanyahu is a horrible embarrassment and I'm not exactly sure why you guys are in favor of him starting another war in the middle east and dragging America into it, but w/e. You won't be going there to fight so you could care less how many lives it's going to cost.
WOW you said everything I wanted to say.
We don't expect someone who thinks the way you do to understand mgo
MGO, President Obama is an American and is Christian...GET OVER THE MUSLIM LIE your GOP spin!
THANK YOU RealWorldProgressive!! I love my jewish friends and the many good people in Israel.. however Netanyahu is a crazy idiot and very dangerous. Thank you for standing up and speaking the truth!
I am anti-war but lets be very clear people, if Iran were to develop a nuclear weapon, the bloodshed long term would drastically over-shadow the loss of stopping them now. I dont condone it and am not advocating for it, but sometimes you have to forecast to what could happen and be forced to make some tough decisions...does anyone really think that Iran is either A)building up nuke technology for power or B) that when Iran does develop a nuclear weapon it wouldnt be used against Israel or even us? If you think Iran is implementing this peaceful program then you need to wake up, its unfortunate but these people are radicals...
I'm sure you also believe that the Pope is really a closet Baptist too!
Haha. Mgo you are exactly the reason that so many conservatives are going liberal. You give the south a bad name buddy
Obama as with everything he does is using this a campaign material. If he was serious he would lay out the frame work that would define what the conditions will be for him to make a military strike on Iran and how he will determine those conditions exist.
Obama wants a nuclear armed Iran. He has made it clear before that Israel is no friend of his. During the Arab spring he used the conditions to allow radical muslim groups to take hold in those countries. Christians know it takes more than saying your a Christian to be a Christian.
Barry talks out of both sides of his face... Israel should do what Israel needs to do. They shouldn't even waste their time asking him for support or solidarity; when the cards are down, they will get neither.
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However, of greater importance in my view is the silence, save for a few journalists and pundits on the right, regarding exposing a videotape recorded in 2003 of Barack Obama at the farewell dinner for terrorist-supporting Palestinian Rashid Khalidi. News of the videotape's existence came to light while Obama was a candidate, and the free pass given to him by the mainstream media was only just beginning to come to light when the enamored Chris Matthews' shared news of the tingle up his leg.
While the birthers' demands did draw some media attention, it was mostly negative and only made fun of the supposedly crazy loons on the far right who apparently were representative of all petty and irrational conservatives. No one seemed to notice that Obama had not written a single article while serving as editor of The Harvard Law Review, and no one pressed the issue of Obama's suppressed college and law school transcripts since it was a given that his brilliance was perhaps surpassed only by the likes of Albert Einstein.
But there is a videotape sitting in the vaults of the Los Angeles Times, and every American should be screaming from the rooftops for its release. In light of the Arab Spring, Obama's endless attempts to bully Israel into succumbing to all sorts of unprecedented and unsafe demands in the hopes that he would go down in history as the POTUS who made peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, and the administration's ineptness in addressing Iran's nuclear program and military threats, exposing this videotape is of utmost importance.
In April 2010, Roger L. Simon published an article on PajamasMedia entitled, "Why is the L.A. Times Burying the Obama/Khalidi Tape?" Of further consequence is why the media -- and Americans -- are not demanding that the L.A. Times immediately release the tape. Simon wrote:
While I am sure that Simon's questions were rhetorical, I will answer the obvious. Of course the paper is a propaganda tool. Were it not for the internet and cable television, true news organizations would no longer exist. It was recently reported that Jerusalem Post editor Steve Linde quoted Bibi Netanyahu calling The New York Times and Haaretz Israel's two main enemies because "they set the agenda for an anti-Israel campaign all over the world." Netanyahu denies making this exact statement, but there is no question that both papers' reporting reflects a bias that can be characterized only as anti-Israel propaganda. Taken a step further, there is no question that the mainstream media as a whole has become completely entrenched in propaganda, bias, anti-Israel and anti-American sentiment, and indoctrination based on liberal, progressive values that are completely out of the "mainstream."
The public will never understand that the Islamists taking over the Mideast are not moderate, will not promote democracy, are not friends of the United States, and wish the ultimate destruction of the West if the public reads and relies upon only The New York Times, L.A. Times, MSNBC, or similar tools of the left for its "news" and information. Americans will not understand the implications of four more years of a pro-Islamist president if they do not understand what Islamism is all about. And they will not know who is sitting in the White House making policy decisions based on personal biases if the media continues to promote Obama's agenda rather than investigate and report.
So why is the videotape of such paramount importance? Simon quotes from an article published in the L.A.Times discussing the tape and its contents:
Furthermore, rumors abound regarding additional messages that may or may not have been openly shared at the dinner in Obama's presence. Ted Belman reported at Israpundit that he has a reliable source that "the audio tape clearly picks up the toast 'death to Israel'." Did Obama drink to the death of an American ally that he has been actively intimidating, browbeating, and dissing since he phoned Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on his first day in office? Does Obama liken Israelis living in the West Bank to Osama bin Laden, whose death he claims as his greatest foreign policy accomplishment?
Simon concluded his article with a request that readers send in suggestions on how to make the contents of the tape public. Apparently Donald Trump missed this request when he wasted the media's energy pushing for the release of Obama's birth certificate -- something with which Obama is still having fun as he mocked the birthers at the Golden Globe awards last week.
But I highly doubt that the POTUS, who had his worldview formed while sitting in the pews of Israel-bashing Jeremiah Wright and at the dinner table of anti-Semite Khalidi, will be mocking people who care enough to properly vet his credentials by urging the release of the tape. And I venture a guess that if the videotape is released, Barack Obama will be packing his bags at the end of this year. But that is a big "if" because until the media stops obsessing over the infidelities of the GOP candidates and starts doing its job, Barack Obama's chances of a second term continue to scare the living daylights out of those who understand its implications.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/a_gop_candidates_bitter_ex-wife_receives_more_coverage_than_a_video_of_obama_dining_with_terrorist_s.html#ixzz1oHFANyjY
You have a real problem, 'Hate Obama'. Whatever you see, it looks blue to you. Ask your friends in Al-quaida, they will tell you whether Obama keeps his word or not.
For us (Americans), Israel is integral part of us. Period. If you do not understand it, go to Iran, yourself to bomb it; still we will be behind you to save you from suicide! At least then you will know what America means, and what our President means.
I see people have become intellegence experts at this. But, no one has any concrete proof that they have a WMD, and I only words I hear are "if." Willing to stake your life at that claim? If Isreal attacks it could trigger a series of chain reactions that could lead to WWIII (Iran has powerful allies too.) Keep using your religious, political, historical jargon and attack Obama all you want, but at the end of the day are you willing to take an action that could jepordize the well being of the entire world?
Most of the people who hate Obama never voted for him anyway so, why look to please you????
If you don't know goodness when you come across it then, you're probably lacking the intellect to have a level headed perception about life anyway.
Furthermore, most people of this nature do not receive credibility for their thoughts or words either.
Therefore, place thought into what you are truly saying before saying it, otherwise it rolls off of the tongue in a "troll like manner"!!!!
LOL...
But if Johnny (the US) has a gun to protect himself so can Sam (Iran) even if Sam is BLACK.
Just in case Johnny begins acting erratic and wants to take what Sam has at his home.
Just like you and I have the right to protect ourselves so does Iran.
Remember, that we started the fight not Iran!!!!!
Most of us are quick to forget this fact.
It was led by a few individuals in government and most people don't even know why we are beefing w/Iran.
But, this is why you don't defend wrong when it comes to the actions of any individual including family.
You will be fighting those individuals war not America's.
If you had the knowledge of all the games that individuals in our government run on it's own citizens then imagine the games the US is playing on people in other countries.
They have the FREE RANGE TO DO EVIL!!!!
I was taught to be righteous and nothing about most of the recent wars were APPROACHED RIGHTEOUSLY.
Now Iran has to protect itself against the mentality of the people in our government who we don't even trust!!!!!!!
As a black man, I damn sure do not trust them after 100's of years of evil done to my race.
What makes it evil is it still goes on.
Look at the prison population.
This whole society thing baffles me when it comes to war.
How are you going to fight and kill people when you don't even know the reason why or when the reason is baseless???
Even when your religious view is bound to "THOU SHALL NOT KILL"
But, stupid is what stupid does.
Harmony people, or else we are going to generate a great deal of enemies and will soon have to look over our shoulders more than possibly imaginable.
It is the information age and we can come together much faster with laser focus and will attach names to the evils being done.
One thing I won't do is protect a political figure who has done wrong before I protect myself or family for, they are usually the cause of the wars.
If you do evil to someone and the law protects you after you committed the act then the other individual has every right to confront you if you continue.
I watched a documentary on slavery and how they continue to enslave people even after slavery was abolished.
How????
They began to make laws based on black's way of life.
We like to congregate. - "they made a loitering law."
We stick together - "they made gang laws where no more than 4 black men can be together."
We wanted to be successful the right way - "The CIA placed crack in communities in the 80's"
We wanted families - "they gave us syphilis and created the AIDS virus to inject in Africans"
Wanted to be Free - They turned prison into an industry and now it is BIG BUSINESS for BLACK SLAVERY!!!
You can't trust people who do these kinds of things.....
Right now those who are considered slaves are the mainly black who are imprisoned under "BLACK LAWS" even though it's been abolished but reworded.
Now Prisons are profiting off of the new black slaves who are jailed or paroled for something as simple as not having a drivers license.
The government pays for this just like they paid to set up the KKK.
Most people don't know that the government helped to form this organization.
If you are doing wrong to people look out, because misguided anger will soon have a name to attached to it which, will allow for guidance w/anger.
AMERICA'S BUSINESS MODEL IS....
Keep finding ways to have control over black men lives so that we can continue to enslave them & not only get and build things for free but, for more power and control.
They target the black community in order to hold them down by providing less jobs, less access to capital, CIA Placed Crack into our communities and we blame the kids.
They charge us higher interest rates on loans, higher prices on products.
As well as place many on probation in order to generate funds for them.
Therefore that is a SLAVERY to the 10th power!!!!!
Don't allow for the EVIL individuals in our country to continue to drive us down the wrong path.
Therefore if you are a brown, black or Asian nation watch out for the tricks to come!!!
They'll even pull them on their own people.
Really all you have to do is look at the history of the relationship between blacks and America and you will be provided with all of the hidden secrets on how to control and destroy a people or nation as well as tips on some of the games that are being played on you as an individual or nation.
GOP Teapugs said lets borrow more money from China and start another war with Iran, Warmongers are going to bankrupt this Nation. PS - Stop all the foreign insanity aid on borrow money we can't pay back.
All I said is Obama has had indoctrination into the Muslim anti Jew hatred and the hard line Black hatred of whites. I never said that he was a Muslim. I also never said he wasn't an American. I did however state the truth which is impossible for a Liberal-Progressive to ever face.
@mgo
You just want all our president to be white and chirstians. You want U.S. to borrow more money to fund wars and stake the lives of the troops in an another Middle East war. You want the president to do what you want and also you hate all Muslims, message recieved.
No, but almost anyone would be better than that social engineering communist.
Israel, your on your own. obama does not have your back at all. You, (Israel), live right next door, to a country,(iran), who is building an atomic bomb, and who has stated publicly that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the world. Do you think for one minute that obama cares about you? The answer is HELL NO!! Take care of yourselves. Do what you have to do, to survive. obama will never help you!
It's an election year, though it seems like campaigning hasn't stopped in 5 years, so no way Obama does anything. Because elections are more important than doing a good job.
I don't see you or your kids running over there to fight...away with you now
Not America's problem.
What is good for Israel is good for America and the world ... what is bad for Israel is bad for America and the world. This will be proven out in due time, I am quite certain. Be careful what you wish for. No one wants to go to war and no one wants to have a next door neighbor with a mass killing weapon and a leader who vows to use it against you.
What ever happens is on the Iranian leadership and what is Israel supposed to do? Once the nuclear bridge is crossed by Iran, the entire world will forever more find themselves bowing to Iran and trying not to upset Ahmajinidad. That will really suck. And once he figures he can manipulate the price of oil by throwing a temper tantrum and disrupting economies, he will. If you want US gas prices running $5 to $7 in the coming years, than by all means, ask Israel to stand down and let Ahmajinidad to his thing, unimpeded. Sanctions will only piss him off and make him work faster to his goal of spreading fear and unrest across the globe.
Read this article from Thomas Sowell before you even consider to vote this November. Forward it to all that you know:
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Many people are looking to the many primary elections on March 6th -- "Super Tuesday" -- to clarify where this year's Republican nomination campaign is headed.
It may clarify far more than that, including the future of this nation and of Western civilization. If a clear winner with a commanding lead emerges, the question then becomes whether that candidate is someone who is likely to defeat Barack Obama.
If not, then the fate of America -- and of Western nations, including Israel -- will be left in the hands of a man with a lifelong hostility to Western values and Western interests.
President Obama is such a genial man that many people, across the ideological space, cannot see him as a danger.
For every hundred people who can see his geniality, probably only a handful see the grave danger his warped policies and ruthless tactics pose to a whole way of life that has given generation after generation of Americans unprecedented freedom and prosperity.
The election next November will not be just another election, and the stakes add up to far more than the sum of the individual issues. Moreover, if reelected and facing no future election, whatever political constraints may have limited how far Obama would push his radical agenda will be gone.
He would have the closest thing to a blank check. Nothing could stop him but impeachment or a military coup, and both are very unlikely. A genial corrupter is all the more dangerous for being genial.
If Iran is hell bent on obtaining a nuclear weapon, they will. Period. Second, Israel, who already has a nuclear deterrent, is hell bent on preventing the inevitable. If they start acting preemptively, then what do you think Iran will do when they do obtain one?
This whole middle east has been a thorn in America's side for decades. It's a goddamn tinderbox and as an AMerican, I say let Israel deal with this themselves.
MAD has proven in and of itself a deterrent for use of nuclear weapons since the Cold War. I don't think a govenment will use one without severe provocation. I strongly feel Iran wants one to gain a better footing/opinion on the global stage. One they should have regardless of if they obtain a nuke. While I do not agree at all with their foreign policy, who are we to silence their opinion...as unpopular as it may be?
Vereran:
Do you think Nathanhau care a bit about average American while he is sturggling to keep his house or goes to localpantries to feed his family or some live in car while gas prices and prices of everything is going up.
Do you mean to say If I have a gun and supported by biggest mafia in Chiago and I consider you my enemy and you should not be allowed to own a gun?
Dear STexan, you are insane. I will not die for Israel, but you can.
Somebody is itching for a fight but they need somebody else's shoulder to fire from. Oink oink!
Somebody is itching for a fight but they need somebody else's shoulder to fire from. Oink oink!
And the "meetings" surface as Iranian saber rattling continues. Sounds a bit like the North Koreans.
Guess the "Arab Spring" countries is not enough in the pot.
Watch for skirmishes between Israel and Palestine shortly, then see what the Iranians do.
Iran has the capability to separate 235 from 238. It's only a matter of time until they have enough 235 to construct a weapon. In all honesty, it's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, it's just a large amount of engineering.
Now as to whether Israel REALLY has nuke capability - where did they get the material to refine? It takes a lot of material and the byproducts/ waste aren't easy to HIDE. That "nuclear signature" is rather unmistakable.

This is an Israeli decision. However its believed that Iran may fire some missiles back at Israel population center and that would be a greater crime than taking out someone’s nuke sites. I think the real danger for Israel is Hezbollah with their 1970 built soviet rockets. ( They can nukes if Iran implodes from the religious clamp down it gives to its citizens) If I had to choose between Iranian missiles and Israeli missiles I am probably going to put my life on the Israelis. However any state that sponsors terrorist should never be allowed to have companies to build nukes period. This is what happens when you have two states that are highly religious Iran being more religious ran than Israel. Religion is fine as long as you do not base your laws off the bible alone. Then sin becomes a felony and sin is a human design flaw. That means we all can get the death penalty for sin. Imagine if you could not get a loan from the bank because you do not pray enough……
israel has 200 nuclear bombs which it can deliver. nobody can explain why it is afraid of a country which has none except if it is used as a cause of war for Israel which needs at least one war every two years just to hide the fact that is is a fanatical religious coutrny lead by mad men who are keen on setting th world ablaze just to show that Yehova is on its side. it is the most dangerous coutrny in the world far more dangerous that iran which does not possess any nuclear weapon and if it had one, which it has denied, and we have no reason not to believe that it has one- it will not be able to deliver it. and if it was to deliver it israel has enough nuclear bombs- and the USA too -around 3000 ready to be used at any time- to destroy it totally. So this is a story invented by Israel to wage its usual war against its neighbours just to show who is the boss and to make believe bible believer that it is under the threat of being annihilated.Moreover Israel is a genocidal country which is trying to empty the territory it occupies of its lawful owners, that it the Palestinians. There are limits to the capacity of Israel and its supporters in this country to manipulate the US public opinion and if Israel attacks Iran on its own, which it can do with american intelligence , money and weapons, and even americain blood, the outcome might not be the one it expects.
Once again US president sucks up to Israel
Wow. Hate much?
If Israel attacks Iran then the US should sit it out and watch from the sidelines. Israel perpetrated crimes against the Palestinians but has also been the victim of attacks by pro-Palestinian groups. This cycle of attack-be attacked-retaliate will NEVER end so it makes absolutely no sense for Israel to attack Iran. If you enjoy high gas prices, further debt due to war expenses, more US service men dying, a larger "world police" role for the US and are stupid then by all means push for a war with Iran... but after you get your wish please enlist in the military and go to the front lines. 7 retired generals and and high ranking intelligence officials have signed a letter to Obama to refrain from a "war of choice" with Iran.
In conclusion, Israel is a sovereign nation that can do what it wants but the US should not encourage or help any Israeli attack on Iran. Diplomacy (US with Iran) can ONLY work when both sides are feel at ease with the status quo... Israel is destroying that calm. In addition, Israel is not completely innocent of terrorist activities and violating UN peace resolutions... they have broken/ignored MANY UN resolutions with no repercussions. They are like the child at the playground who feels that he can get away with anything because their parents (US) will never punish them. Time for Israel to grow the EFFFF up. I am tired of taxpayer money going to them to buy US manufactured weapons. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Canary - educate yourself:
Israel's nuclear weapons program was aided by other countries. After the Suez crisis in 1956, France agreed to help Israel build a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant near Dimona which used natural uranium moderated by heavy water. Plutonium production started in about 1964. Top secret British documents obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s. These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6 which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs. The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor. The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the IAEA after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells hid behind the Noratom contract and claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[5] The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[6]
In 1961, the Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion informed the Canadian Prime Minister John Diefenbaker that a pilot plutonium-separation plant would be built at Dimona. British intelligence concluded from this and other information that this "can only mean that Israel intends to produce nuclear weapons".[7] By 1969, U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird believed that Israel might have a nuclear weapon that year.[8][9] Later that year, U.S. President Richard Nixon in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir pressed Israel to "make no visible introduction of nuclear weapons or undertake a nuclear test program", so maintaining a policy of nuclear ambiguity.[10] By 1979 U.S. Intelligence believed Israel had designs and fissile material for nuclear weapons, and were perhaps in a position so they could test a more advanced small tactical nuclear weapon or thermonuclear weapon trigger design. http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9764
Sad to see so much hate for Israel and their plight..... Interesting the citizens here are advocating for Iranian leadership to continue down the path of nuclear weapon capability..... Why is it so hard for Americans residing here in the states to understand the Iranian leadership has denied access to their country for nuclear inspection? Would it be better to allow the price of oil to skyrocket along with a nuclear weapon to be developed by an unstable regime?
Fedup - Iran certainly allows US inspections of their nuclear facilities - unlike Israel.
And you can thank Israel for the rising oil prices by threatening war with Iran.
FED Up... you are absolutely wrong about Iran NOT allowing inspectors into their nuclear facilities. Check out this FAUX news article you fear mongering war hawk.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/06/iran-to-allow-un-inspectors-into-secret-nuclear-site-as-goodwill-gesture/
In addition, the VAST majority of Israelis don't want to instigate a war with Iran unless the US backs them. All of this is reminiscent of the lead up to the BS war in Iraq which was a war of choice by the neocons... where are the WMDs? How is freedom in Iraq being spread now? We replaced an ineffectual tyrant with a puppet regime that the Iraqis don't trust. The only positive for ANYONE out of Iraq qas more access to their oil by the greed driven oil companies who gladly exchange US service men's blood for their oil and profits.
Glad Obama is in the Whitehouse. No need to jump into another war without reason. War should be the last option, not one of the first. I think his policy is the correct one. Let the world know that we do not agree with Israel and if they do something, they did it on their own. One way to slow down the repub rhetoric, if any war should be fought, FUND IT FIRST. How do the war hawks plan on paying for this 'distribution of wealth'? Not funded, no war! Maybe THAT should be a constitutional amendment rather than attempts at a balanced budget amendment. Before any conflict can begin, a war tax goes into place to pay for the conflict. Maybe then then a little more sanity would be involved.
how funny you libs are worried about money now...... how funny this is if it wasn't sickening
LARRY: Yea, almost as funny as the Right worrying about the deficit 10 minutes after Obama was sworn in. The 8 years of Bush pi**ing away billions in needless wars was just fine with you, right buddy???
Oz, and the solution on the left was what, flush trillions. Great solution.
THINKER: Actually you dummy, the latest estimate for Iraq is 2 TRILLON. How do you like them apples buddy???
ozzie--the dems weren't ever worried about the debt or deficits, and apparently still aren't. any republican can tell you that Bush was far from a fiscal conservative, and no, we did not like the spending that went on. For the record, Bush only could spend what Congress allowed him to spend, and that is why so many tea party members targeted fiscally unfit republicans in the 2010 elections. at least someone is paying attention---but where are the dems while record deficits are being run in each of Obama's years/
Change is now- its time,
Gas price when Bush left office: Just over $2.
Gas now under Obama: Over $3.70
How is that change affecting you? Obozo doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
You have go to be frikin kidding me! You drank too much of the Obozo koolaid. Read my comment above. 3.5.
The Dems weren't worried about the deficit becuase Clinton handed to rethuglicans a 250 billion dollar surplus at the time. The thugs spent all that and more with two credit card wars, a credit card tax cut for the rich and a credit card drug bill. Didn't produce one net job after 8 years. Obama had to spend, bailouts and money for the states to keep people employed in order to prevent a great depression instead of just a great recession. Now we are climbing out, all without rethuglican support. Meanwhile, the thugs are trying to suppress the vote and save us all from contraceptives, while proposing mandatory vaginal probes. (legal rape) We went mostly into debt under Herbert Hoover and ronald Reagan, now bush. Each time the dems had to rescue by funding something other than giveaways to the rich. Lets keep the rethuglicans out of power....they contaminate the government every time!
Are you straight ticket folk really that blind? Obama doesn't have the power to raise or lower gas prices. There is a Senate people. Made up of both Dem and Rep for decades! Both have dropped the ball. Gas has fluctuated under both parties for decades. A few pennies either way and you are really that upset? There are bigger fish to fry for bigger reasons that gas going up .50 a gallon.
Both parties are only concerned about their own reelections. And I am FULLY convinced, that none of them could give a rats ass about you or me. IF they have, we wouldn't be in debt as we are. They can't even balance a goddamn budget. Please. They are both to blame.
gotta love fuc king idiots who think that the president has control over the fuel prices. stop allowing trading in oil futures and the price will stabilize. It's the scumbag traders who are causing the fuel price rise.
Ozzie Boy. The Republicans tried to block all of the deficit spending from day one. Not simply after Obomber took office. Better go back and read the papers instead of relying on revisionist history.
One more thing OZZIE BOY. Calling someone a dummy is a violation of the COH. Someone BAN this guy please.
I had a job under Bush, I lost that job when Obama got elected, I still don't have a job. But I now have a degree, and another $50,000 of debt!
Not a good trade-off so far.
Its interesting how the liberals forget that the Democrats had control of the House and Senate the last 2 years of Bushes term.
Just saying how it is.
Whatever, right wing spin machine, if a Republican was in the WH we would already be at war with Iran to cover up the miserable economy we would have.
If warmonger McCain won, the economy would be in a depression and one way to take the minds of the people off the economy is to start another war. Hell he probably would have sent troops to Libya too.
Obama/Biden 2012
alan...the only bozo here is YOU! Get educated on how gas prices are effected. POTUS has absolutely ZERO influence over prices at the pump. They are market driven and the tension with Iran is currently driving the upward trend. Let me guess...you're another idiot that wants us to start bombing Tehran? Um ya...right...well if you think prices are high now, you just wait until the bullets start flying. The President is trying his best to avoid that.
And thanks for showcasing gas prices when Bush took office, but if you're trying to state that those prices were because of Bush's policies, well you can pound that up your ass too. If you are going to credit any POTUS for those prices then you can hand that to the Bush's predecessor, but I like said, the POTUS has menial to no impact on this. Incidentally, prices fluxed all the way up to $4/gal (almost $5 in CA) during the Bush Administration too unless you were in a coma during those time periods.
Lastly, that rubbish from Sowell that you are throwing in our faces is just that...rubbish. WTF makes that clown the Grand Poo-Bah of where the country is headed and/or where it ought to go? *rolling eyes*
we are going to war and we have to suk this one up..i don;t doubt that us military will take out iranian nuclear instalations and that we don;t even hear about it...and that's the way it should be in war.
Our presidents often act as if they were the prime ministers of Israel. We give Israel more military and foreign aid than any other country. Yet, someone like Netanyahu can visit Washington push around a president...any president. Realistically, if we wanted long lasting peace, we could tell Israel if they don't close down settlements in Palestinian territories, we'll cut off aid. It might upset right wing Isrealis short term, but it would create a lot of goodwill toward the US in other parts of the Mideast. I think it's about time, that we put American interests ahead of Israeli interests...
Smoke another doobie John Bayner.... Iran is extremely dangerous and NOTHING like Russia or China. The religious (cult), zealots actually want to be party to bringing Armageddon upon us at this time. Also, if you study your US history, you fill find more wars are started when a Dem is in the White House not a Republican. That said, you most likely were high when your History teacher taught you that Lincoln was a Republican too. Let's be clear, BOTH the GOP and the Dems are full of idiots, liars, cheats and crooks. And yes the far right has dangerous folks in it just as the far left does. We need leaders that aren't polarizing and can lead from the middle. Do you remember when Obama was running for office and he said he would work with both sides of the isle like never before? I do and he shot himself in the foot when his boys crafted Obamacare with NO GOP in attendance. He had two years to ram through whatever he wanted (energy plan, immigration, etc..), but chose to force socialized medicine on a Country of which 60% do not want.
Yes we should definitely appease the Palestinians, 99% of the Middle East being Christian and Jew- Free isn't enough....NOT!
The "sanctions" seem to be working. I see this every time I fill the gas tank on my automobile. The price of gasoline is nearing $4.00/gal in my area.
Which country paid for and built the first nuclear reactor in Iran? Here is a clue, "Atoms For Peace."
If you want an informed opinion regarding the relationship with Isreal, check out Simon Peres on Charlie Rose the other night......that's for the middle and the left, I know the right has no interest in such things.
"We do not want to see a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region in the world," Obama said.
But there already is a nuclear arms race there. Lets face up to reality. Our President has a credibility problem. He very emphatically said that GITMO would be closed within one year of his takingoffice. It is still open. The President said that all proceedings regarding the health care bill would be televised on CSPAN and that he would go over the bill "line by line " with my congressman. That did not happen. The President vowed to cut that deficit in half by the end of his first term. That is not happening. I think that what the President is saying is for the most part only wishful thinking.
This whole thing is scarey to me. I feel for the citizens of the middle east, their future, their citizens, their children are suffering more daily, and there really isn't anything we can do. our current leader says he has Netyenahu's back. now, the trouble in the middle east has been stirring for how many years? all of a sudden our "leader" says he has their back? what have the rest of us been fighting for? sorry, what our leader just said does not make sense since! this is not a new tragedy. really, he needs to stay off the puppy chow and get real. i mean no offense, but he is rediculous!
President Obama was very cordial to Prime Minister Netanyahu re: Iran and their Nuclear planned War, buliding up Iran's nuclear Power.
The catch in this discussion was President Obama wants Diplomacy with Iran first. Am sure Netanyahu was disappointed, so Israel will deal with Iran on it's own.
There is no time to waste re: Diplomacy with Iran. In the meantime, their Arsenal will be well-established. Too much time given means bad results.
I hope that the United States and Israel can once again be side by side, cordial, and pleasant. President Obama did a great job, showing he is very much realizing that this is "The Problem for All Mankind". It relates to the entire World being extorted by Iran, their Threats, and being amongst the ones who will suffer if an Atomic Weapon or Bomb went off with the impulsive Ahdinemajad.
I wouldn't read too much into any assurance he gives anyone. He assured the US voters that he was going to bring Hope and Change, and a reduction to the deficit.
Liberals this, Conservatives that.. Can't you just see they are dividing us and conquering us all? It's utterly obvious America is Israel's little b****...
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So much hate on both sides of this argument, but I hope everyone will stop and consider something I have said a couple times: to say that Iran is not researching, possibly by this point building, a nuclear weapon is naive. To say Iran, or even Israel, will be the first to strike is only conjecture.
In the meantime, I should remind the people on the right this has nothing to immediately do with Obama's domestic policies, not including military applications, and thus any venom you are spewing regarding his economic policies and the "Obamacare" bill are unnecessary. To those on the left saying this has always been what's happening, I would remind you that Obama has openly supported Iran and Palestine in many of their efforts, especially when it came to attacking Israel, so this is yet another political flip-flop on his part.
The teapug haters will never be truthful and admit Obama is not a Muslim, that he is a American by birth nor that he has done a pretty good job as President. No, they will cry, scream, lie and hate until hell freezes over. Most of the comments so far are just plain ignorant hate rants.
What!!!! giving speesh to the "largest U.S. pro-Israel lobby", SHAME on them all those MF politicians. they should be the ''largest pro- US interest first''.
They won't mind a bit to send our boys & girls to endanger their life for Isreal. Why, we don't owe them, they owe us a LOT.
American first, and second and third.
to all the US citizens:
Please Vote for the politiciens who are PRO - USA. the ones that they love you not someone else.
if they love Isreal, they are more than free to move there and govern the people of Isreal.
Thanks.
And you are more than free to move to Iran, Pakistan, Syria, or any other muslim nation that you choose. Have you forgotten 9/11?? Wasn't the Jews who did that!!
Veteran,
You are more than welcome to move to Israel, you are showing more allegiance to Isreal than to the US. it seems that you love Israel more, yet I noticed that you wrote that Iran and Isreal are neighbors!! are you kidding yourself!
ignorance is bliss!!
Veteran,
if the jews didn't do 9/11, I am sure that they made it easy to be executed. the jews confirmed that 9/11 helped them a lot. I know that you know this info, don't you!
Israeli False Flag Operations around the world are too many to count.
ibrahim-1017693 Your such an ignorant person. I fought in a war and served my country very well. I live in the US and I support Israel completely. Your ignorance is astounding. Your hatred in your heart is unacceptable. If Arabs really wanted peace then they would accept Israel's right to exist. Period, end of comment. Come back here when you accepted this.
ibrahim-1017693 Really you want o change history? You sound like such a ignorant person saying such stupid things. How did Jews benefit? How did Jews confirm that it helped them alot? Please go crawl back under the rock you came out of!
ibrahim,
The problem with US politicians is they campaign on a platform of being PRO-US until they get into office then flip-flop. This is a common theme among all politicians regardless of the issue. Hold them accountable, the same as in a court of law. If they make a promise on the campaign trail and then fail to honor that promise when in office, it is perjury. The punishment for perjuring oneself while in political office should be removal. Problem solved.
ah, yes - IBRAHIM is a TRUTHER, eh? Oh well, whatever "respect" I might have had for your opinion just went POOF!! (as in "up in smoke")
There are 3 categories of people I despise TRUTHERS, BIRTHERS and HOLOCAUST DENIERS.
(of course, I ridicule rightwingnutreligionazis as much as possible as well...)
@veteran44,
I do remember 9/11. That was out "friends" the Saudis who did that. All except one of the hijackers was Saudi and the money to plan and execute the hijacking came from Saudi Arabia. What is your point? Maybe if Iran does something, we should attack Canada?
Obama will keep allowing Iran to shine us on with promises of negotiations until Iran detonates their first nuke test and it is to late to do anything. Sanctions have not worked and will not work because two major countries, China and Russia, refuse to enforce those sanctions. So long as Iran can continue to do business with these countries and sell China it's oil, the sanctions from the west will have no meaningful effect.
Does anyone really think Israel should sit back and let a self proclaimed enemy bent on their total destruction develop the weapons they need to do it!!! The Iranian leadership has stated publicly, multiple times that they do not believe that Israel has any right to exist and that it is their mission to wipe Israel off the map. Does anyone really expect the Israelis to sit back and let them develop nuclear weapons to do it with.
The recent Iranian releases regarding their work on their Fordo nuclear enrichment facility makes it pretty clear that they are looking at more than civilian nuclear power. Their claim that the 20% enriched uranium they are producing is only for a research reactor is an obvious lie. This is because they have already enriched many time the amount of uranium needed to fuel this research reactor to this higher level. The only reason for this massive production of 20% enriched uranium is as a precursor to further enrichment to weapons grade. The IAEA estimates that Iran has enough uranium stock to make enough highly enriched uranium to fuel approximately 15 good sized nuclear weapons.
The Iranian efforts towards installing new generation centrifuges capable of far more rapid enrichment of uranium also clearly indicates their plans to develop nuclear weapons. Since they already have far more 20% enriched uranium than they need for peaceful purposes, the only reason for upgrading a facility designed for higher level enrichment is to facilitate production of weapons grade material. Once they have these new centrifuges installed, the time they will need to produce weapons grade material will be uncomfortably short. It ill be to the point that they could have the material produced before we could plan and execute a strike on the facility to try and stop them. In addition, this facility was built well underground, making it very hard to take out and also clearly indicating its military purpose. Peaceful nations do not build facilities like this deep underground and deny IAEA inspectors access to the facility if their purpose is peaceful. In addition, if they really had nothing to hide (i.e. were not working on weapons) they would let the IAEA inspectors into any of their facilities any time they wanted. The fact that they won't clearly tells me they are hiding something.
It is time to stop screwing around and allowing the Iranians to stall with the hollow promise of talks. None of the many rounds of talks to date have resulted in any progress on getting them to stop. They have no intention of changing their plans to develop nuclear weapons and only military action will stop them.
Barry can not be trusted when it comes to Israel - One strike in the US will take out Rhode Island. One strike in Israel will take out the entire country. A different way of thinking is in order for them - not OBAMAS way of thinking!
People: Christians, Muslims, all religions....
Are you all aware that the Judaism as a religion, consists of just 14-Million souls? That there were another 14-Million killed in Nazi death camps during WWII? In fact, the numbers of Jews on Earth is shrinking, while your religions increase in numbers. Compare that number to those other Abrahamaic Religions, Christian and Islam.
There are 2.5-Billion Christians, with 1.5-Billion Muslims souls on this planet.
All numbers are approximate, and rounded off. But whatever the math, Jews are a tiny fraction of numbers of souls on this planet. For the sake of God, how can 14-Million Jews be a threat to 4-Billion Christians and Muslims? It is insanity to hate for the sake of hate, and in the void of threat.
Are you all willing to kill 14-Million Jews, the religious origin of your own religion? Without Judaism, Abraham, Moses, Ezekiel, there could be no Christians or Muslims.
And for the sake of your own souls, stop the madness in Iran. How could such a fine, highly sophisticated, rich culture like Iran been given over to extremists to threaten us all with nuclear war? Iran is not Muslim by choice, but by the gun. And Obama is their pawn, willing or not. May God forgive you all. May you all come to your senses for the sake of this planet Earth.
Canary, why is it that you hate "truthers" so much? Do people questioning the RIDICULOUS "official version" given to us by our government threaten your comfort level. I disagree with "birthers" and certainly don't doubt the holocaust, but come on dude. Did Lee-Harvey Oswald single-handedly kill JFK, too?
I fear nuclear war as most of us should but IMHO I don;t think Israel will resort the use of that weapony and Iran would not hesitate. Their rabid attitude scares me and should the world. OObamaman is standing tall before the elction but when he is probably relectected, I would place a huge bet that he is will change course as in 180 degrees. We obvious can't afford a war but when can we ever with government so big and growing by leaps and bounds, The spendathton is in full motion unless checked by some new blood that is immune to the cronie capatilization we have goin on now.
We've always had Israel's back, but never their loyalty. They pick fights with their neighbors and expect the US to kiss the boo boo and make it alright. One day taxpayers will demand that we stop sending borrowed money to Israel, Pakistan, and the other nations that we fund.
Let's not forget that the POTUS wanted Israel to revert back to pre 1967 borders. Well guess what Barry? - Israel WAS in pre 1967 borders before the 1967 war!
So why were they were threatened and attacked? What changed? If the Arabs get what they had before, they will all be buddies? Only a naive person, or an idiot like you would believe that.
I wonder how scarletbirds would handle this one?
It seems obvious that Netanyahu isn't buying into Obama's crocodile smile and phony assurances. I guess he's a lot smarter than a whole lot of gullible American people. Obama also wants everyone to forget his rhetoric about Israel reverting back to pre 1967 borders, a recipe for national suicide, but Netanyahu hasn't forgotten.
Right..... Like I believe Obama is pro-Isreal. What's he up to now?
obama's trying to save america.
President Obama was very cordial to Prime Minister Netanyahu re: Iran and their Nuclear planned War, buliding up Iran's nuclear Power.
The catch in this discussion was President Obama wants Diplomacy with Iran first. Am sure Netanyahu was disappointed, so Israel will deal with Iran on it's own.
There is no time to waste re: Diplomacy with Iran. In the meantime, their Arsenal will be well-established. Too much time given means bad results.
I hope that the United States and Israel can once again be side by side, cordial, and pleasant. President Obama did a great job, showing he is very much realizing that this is "The Problem for All Mankind". It relates to the entire World being extorted by Iran, their Threats, and being amongst the ones who will suffer if an Atomic Weapon or Bomb went off with the impulsive Ahdinemajad.
It's easy to be a broad minded champion of the ever oppressed Iranians when you're thousands of miles away. Quite another when they're next door and they state they must eliminate you from the face of the earth. Neville Carter, I mean Pres. Obama knows what he's doing....theoretically.
Ahjy never said that Israel must be wiped from the face of the earth. The correct translation was that the Zionist regime will enter the dustbin of history, and if they keep up there push for war they will enter the dustbin of history. Since Iran has the second lowest per capita defense spending in the region, you have to think that the whole thing is a lie/propaganda on our part. Seriously now, if these guys were the big bad evil folks the presss makes them out to be, the whole nation should be one big arms depot with tanks, etc, like N Korea. The fact that the UAE spends more $ on defense than Iran should tell you something!
Let's see .... the last time there was a "photo opportunity", Obama was caught on camera giving Netanyahu the old "evil eye", virtually daring him to say anything that Obama had not allowed.
Now, Obama is giving him his "word" in pledging support for Israel ??????????
Yes, my fellow Americans, you can tell it's an election year and Obama wants so desperately to be re-elected.
I hate to say it, but if I was Netanyahu, I would have a whole SET OF CONTINGENCY PLANS ready just in case the poster boy for waffle house .... waffles again !
I wouldn't worry too much about Israel; I'm sure they've already got aircraft armed and fueled on the tarmack just waiting for the word to go! They've never needed is our permission to kick butt, if that were the case they would have been toast a long time ago!
For whatever the reason, I think Obama's buying time, perhaps black op teams are already in motion in country; after all, we've gotten much better at that since Jimmy Carter's big cut and run fiasco.
Heck he's probably popping some kosher popcorn right now for his hommie Netinyayhoo and inviting the rest of his crew over to watch the private live screening of them pouncing, just like he did with that Osama Bin Ladin character.
NEWSFLASH Jim, it is not the job of the US president to do Israel's bidding. It is his job to look after the best interests of the USA. Israel's interests are far different from the interests of the USA, except in the eyes of the "Israel firsters". When is Israel ever going to do something productive for the USA?
We haven't even begun to pay for the Iraq war, which was planned and sold by Zionists and the bastards want us to do it again, this time in Iran. The Iraq war will cost in excess of 3 trillion dollars. America has states that have been hard hit by tornados, which need the aid more than Israel. We also have crumbling infrastucture, throughout our nation. Lets spend our dollars wisely, instead of on Israel's military adventures. Cut all aid to Israel and spend the money here in America.
"the biggest problem is they're working on different clocks,"
That's the REAL problem. Obama has a tendency to wring his hands and do nothing, hoping that things will take care of themselves if he just ignores the problem, but Israel does not have that luxury.
In looking at his past behaviors, Obama has a real problem making difficult decisions (as evidenced by his numerous votes of 'Present' when he was a State Senator from Illinois). That's also why his 'Obamacare' bill was left to Nancy Pelosi to write, so Obama could say "It's not MY bill". He's always looking for a way to avoid making decisions that might not turn out well - the mark of a very weak leader.
There are about 8 nations with nukes and not one of them has used them. What are the chances Iran will use theirs? Zilch. This is insurance that another country won't invade it -- like Iraq.
Sally,
Actually the chances are %100 that they will use them. You are completely ignorant of the situation.
The President of Iran has said "We will wipe Israel off the map"
Iran is Not Stupid, they won't attack Israel..it's obvious they hate them, but why drop the bombs first ?? that a direct provacation of War..this talking & being Crazy has got to Stop..i believe, on that part of World, people must Learn how to be CIVIL or Civilized..they have been fighting for Centuries, it's about time they come an intelligent understanding of one another......
Oh yes, appease, appease, appease...when will libs ever learn.
jeeesus "Iran is Not Stupid, they won't attack Israel..it's obvious they hate them, but why drop the bombs first ??"
Germany is not stupid, they won't attack Poland... it's obvious they hate them, but why drop the bombs first??.........................................Neville Chamberlain
Yeah, that kind of thinking makes perfect sense. After all, Adolf Hitler knows it will just start a World War, and who would be crazy enough to do that?
I can just hear Obama trying to convince that beast Nathan Yahoo not to trash international law and bomb Iran (right away).
Obama: "Nate, don't worry, let's just destroy their economy and reduce millions of their people to misery and starvation with the sanctions, that's the civilized way!"
Roy, I'm willing to bet you cannot produce a link for the above, supposed quote by Neville Chamberlain.
Beyond that minor point, the parallel you draw between Iran in 2012 and Nazi Germany 1939 just does not hold. In 1939, Germany had the most modern and formidable military in the world. It was the most populous nation in Western Europe, which, at the time, was the epicenter of world power. Iran in 2012, is nothing more than a regional power, who could never go toe to toe with the U.S., not in a million years.
Hitler was undoubtedly a man motivated by evil, but he was far from insane in thinking he could win a war in Europe. His initial success, in conquering Poland, defeating the French and British armies and then seizing the greater part of France shows this to be true. Had he not frittered away his initial advantages with a series of tactical and strategic blunders [the invasion of Russia, the failure to launch an immediate invasion of the British Isles, the failure to immediately utilize the jet aircraft technology ], he might well have won.
For Iran to do go to war would indeed be the decision of a mad man. It would be a war which could, at best, end with the destruction of their military forces, and the fall of the current theocracy ruling the country. Although it is popular to portray Iran as a nation of insensate, religion-inspired maniacs, they are not insane.
To say that Iran's foreign policy is not problematic for the U.S. and Israel would be foolish. To project them as some global menace, capable of endangering the U.S. is just damn silly.
In the recent public discussion about a possible pre-emptive attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, there has been a glaring silence about the fact that some of these Iranian targets *already* have nuclear materials (uranium) on-site.
These Iranian sites are not like Osirak (1981 pre-emptive Israeli knockout of a newly constructed Iraqi power plant *before* this facility had nuclear materials on-site). In spite of this crucial difference, there has been virtually no apparent recognition of the implications that blowing up these Iranian facilities presents. Bunker busters, or the like, could well result in a dispersion of uranium into the ground level environment. Uranium is highly toxic and radioactive with a half-life of 4.5 billion years
Destroying these 'uranium loaded' Iranian facilities might cause something equivalent to the so-called "dirty bomb”...a highly toxic dispersion of radioactive dust and debris in the immediate surface environment.
As the leaders engage in discussions about the timetables for when pre-emptive destruction may become forced, why no public consideration and discussion about the implications resulting from these Iranian facilities already having uranium on-site?
I like Netanyahu, always have... And I like President Obama... Two very good leaders... However, Netanyahu holds his anger on his shoulders for anyone to see... He can't help himself... President Obama, on the other hand, smiles that wonderful smile of his... Carries himself with dignity and grace... And then you realize that this is a man of his word... Any enemy of Israel or America should be on notice... No Drama Obama is not bluffing...
Netanyahu is just another war monger,walking in his self-righteousness like he has some kind of extra value as a person,what bull @!$%#. If Israel stats a war they should be feft to defend their own actions. One thing that boggles my mind is that the Congress of the United States would allow this war monger to step foot in our nations govermental chambers.
Because they are Nut tan yahoo "flunkies", that's why. They can't wait to offer up the lives of America's youth to Israel. After the Iranian loyalist in Iraq over run the American section of the "Green Zone" in Iraq. Is should officially noted that every American that dies in the Iraq war died for nothing.
MCR you are so simple to believe what you write. It’s time to start talking about the cost of not stopping Iran, rather than talking about of the cost of stopping it.
One example of the high cost of not stopping Iran is that the oil prices will really rise if a nuclear-armed Iran starts blackmailing the world, As well, a nuclear-armed Iran will cause Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other countries in the region to want and aim for nuclear weapons.
“With nuclear weapons, Iran could threaten all of us with nuclear terrorism,” he said. “Think about what it would mean to have nuclear weapons in the hands of those radicals who lead millions of people in chants of death to America and death to Israel.”
Iran is not to be trusted, if they claim that it is for peaceful purposes then why don't they allow the west in to see for themselves? Why do they create underground bunkers to do their own enrichment when they could purchase the rods from Russia?
I think you're an fool to believe Iran over Israel.
It doesn't matter if they're at odds. Obama's opinion, just like the American people's, is completely worthless. He will do whatever Netanyahu tells him to do.
yes he will do whatever Netanyahu tells him to do, problem, at this time obama will as he needs the jewish votes to be re-elected, (lets hope not) when and if he is re-elected, he will not help Isreal do crap.
Obama wants them to do what obama tells them what to do, you know they won't and obama doesn't like that, he is king @!$%# on the hill.
dang glory seekers, sometimes have No Shame.......
We cannot afford another war! All of the GOP candidates talk about how we can't afford to take care of our own but then they encourage a war with Iran. Stick to your guns, Mr. President, with Israel. They are our friends but shouldn't bully us into something we aren't prepared to do.
I expect that, regardless of what the President states to the American public, Israel will do whatever they plan to accomplish with Iran's nuclear operations.
Actually, Netanyahu made exactly this statement.
So, where does the President stand once the Israelies launch an assault on the Iranian location?
You dont know what the hell you are talking about and the same with the rest wingers on this blog. i request all of you to go sign up for the military or even the israeli military if you want war so bad. It's a tough decision for a president but you can bet your bottom dollar plans are in place when he decides. He knows what he is doing so stfu!!
Yeah he knows what he is doing he (that ass*&^% you call president) is undermining the USA for his muslim buddys and this is just another attempt to ruin the USA well good luck with that we will never be defeated
I would be very worried if someone told me to wait and see if things get better when a bully (iran) is making a bomb to take me out and the president of the united states says, oh it will get better hold on and lets see.... something wrong with this picture...
got that right larryincalif.: read above what i have posted, obama doesn't care about them, thats why he is trying to avoid them to start anything, then the USA has to help, this year after the election, if he gets re-elected and the war starts next year, @!$%# obama will not do crap. then they'll be one last country for obama to run, what am i talking about, he can't run one. never mind a world order.
Mr. Lead-from-behind has botched our place in the world order. Before he arrived on the scene, we only had good standing with our allies...now he's pissed all of them off or they just don't respect him and our enemies have been emboldened by BHO.
Does the world seem safer to you now?
Lol wat? Which allies did we have "good standing with" under George W. Bush?
India, mostly. And Israel, of course.
Britain was pretty BFF with us, too.
India will remain neutral, they wont involve themselves, bullies (US) don't have allies, I'm just saying.
Explain JC...who are you talking about?
I can't believe that I'm hearing even one person talking about all the good will we had around the world until President Obama came along, are you f'ing kidding me! During Dubya, Americans could't fly to Canada without fear of getting kidnapped or being flown into a building..
Americans are just starting to travel abroad again...
WTF, 2sense?
The only place safe in the MidEast for Americans to travel was & always has been Israel.
Americans have travelled less overseas more due to the economy then anything else - the dollar has continued it slow, steady devaluation over the last 25 years.
I know of no one who can afford a vacation overseas.
spoken like true idiot who knows nothing. start reading; maybe you will learn some. Spout the facts you dumb %&%
...wow...
...someone's rev'ed up their monthly cycle...
b-b-b-b-b-bea-bea-bea-beaaaatch....b-b-b-b-b-bea-bea-bea-beaaaatch....
...hope you are wearing your helmet...
Obama has pissed off most of our real friends, and he created 4-5 new muslim friends of his in the year of the arab uprising/take over by muslim brotherhood.
Obama has more friends, but the US has lost friends.
Right on, we lost our great friend Pakistan who has been harboring Laden for the last 12 years.
Israel..do not trust this moozlim president..
he lies and he is not on your side..
hit iran, egypt, and syria in one fell swoop..
take them out..
the liar-in-chief will squirm and call you names..
he has no stones..
Please - Marxist liar in chief.
RON: Fortunately most American Jews don't buy into your ignorant hate speach. That's why in the 2008 election 74% of American Jews voted for Obama.'
We neither want nor need the "help" of evangelical nutcases like yourself.
How about we send you in the initial invasion wave attacking Iran, bet you'd really like that, huh???
Would you care to elaborate as to how President Obama is a Marxist? Never mind, you're obviously a moron and none of us need a Rush Limpbagh regurgitation.
Ozzie..we have adolf jr in the white house..
he is selling us poison..
the jews will remember..
israel is our last bastion for freedom
If you feel that strongly then enlist! You seem free and easy with the lives of US Service Members; ruck-up and move out! Or I suppose you could just remain another "chickenhawk".
the United States would always "have Israel's back" but said there was still time for diplomacy.
Another wimpish statement. Do it -- it might not be too late -- stop this "this is our 43rd and final, our last warning" s**T. Can Obama get off the toilet, he must have worse constipation than when BP happened.
ronaswyhod sounds much like Archie with some of his finest bunkerisms!
I see the wackos are out in full voice today! Hatred for Jews, hatred for Muslims, hatred for Obama, hatred for fellow Americans. So nice to see we have the moral high ground!
never mind..
Nope just Obammy our Marxist in chief.
Since when does centrist suddenly mean "Marxist?"
Toasty, Since, when you don't know what it means but like to throw it around anyway. Fox uses it so it must be right! The 'Obammy' should have been a tip off on the level on intellect you were responding to.
Well, the prank phone call screen name also gave it away.
Is our President insane? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result!
Sanctions have not worked, need a new tactic.
Sure buddy, let's start another shooting war. After all, the last two worked out so well, right buddy???
Punks like you are really tough...... with the blood of other people's children.
FYI, a large percentage of Israelis cannot stand Netenyahu and think he is a warmonger. Did you actually think that all Israeli's are of a single mind?
"Sure buddy, let's start another shooting war." Yeah but only if we can not pay for it and bitch about the deficit too!
#13.1 and #13.2 are attempted distortions of the comment at #13 !
Read the last 4 words ....... "need a new tactic". Don't distort, read what was said !
Tell us jim, what new tactic do you have in mind??
Talking with Netenyahu is the same as talking with Amadinjad,they were born without ears.
Don't forget the chewing out that bibi pitched on bama not too long ago.bibi takes bama for shabbos goy......fourwinds10.com
Of course the Pandering Coward Hussein Zero is at odds with Netanyahu. He's relying on US intellegence. That's any oxymoron in the first place and Hussein is also 6000 miles away from Iran's Nuclear threat,while Bibi is less than 600. But more importantly, Zero is facing an election and it could potentially disrupt he and Miserable Moochelle's important vacation schedule. Thank GOD Israel has a Leader who will tell Zero what's what and if he doesn't like it, to Stick His Head Up His _ss! GOD Bless, Guide and Protect Israel!
ALAN: How'd you like to be in the vanguard of troops attacking Iran??????????
Most American Jews want nothing to do with nutcase bigots like yourself.
Ozzie boy, freedom has to be protected and earned. Iran is a threat to the world. It is better to sacrafice some lives now than to sacrifice millions later. Remember Hitler? Remember Japan? If only we had gotten involved earlier in the war we would not have had so many civilian deaths during the war. Get a grip, this is 100 times worst, letting a madman have a Nuke! Get a life.
How come our experts say these things? See Below:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0216/Threats-to-US-Pentagon-officials-drop-three-surprises/Doubts-about-Iran-s-nuclear-ambitions
Doubts about Iran's nuclear ambitions
Despite the hype surrounding Iran’s pursuit of nuclear technology, the country's leaders are “not likely” to develop weapons unless attacked, the panel said.
The same goes for plans to close the vital Strait of Hormuz waterway, according to General Burgess. Though Iran can close the strait (“at least temporarily”), launch missiles, and even tap terrorist surrogates worldwide “if attacked,” military-intelligence officials assess that it is “unlikely to initiate or unintentionally provoke a conflict.”
What’s more, senior intelligence officials expressed some doubt that Iranian officials are actively interested in developing a nuclear weapon.
Said James Clapper, director of national intelligence (DNI): “There are certain things that they have not yet done and have not done for some time.”
On this point, the panel was robustly challenged by some lawmakers. “I’m very convinced that they’re going down the road to developing a nuclear weapon,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R) of South Carolina.
Still, the Pentagon officials stuck to their analysis. Though Iran has enough highly enriched uranium to build a weapon “if political leaders chose to do so,” Burgess explained, he said that the prospect of stepped-up sanctions is frightening to Iranian officials. “I don’t think they want a nuclear weapon at any price.”
Did you ever stop to think that maybe Iran has nothing to hide and it is your beloved Israel that is the real cause for concern in the ME. It is Israel that has attacked all of it's neighbors, while Iran hasn't attacked another country in 180 years.
No more wars for Israel.
I take it you are enlisting today? I mean you are so eager to get US Service Members killed, I assume you will be one of them?
ol_doc, I have already served my country for 4 year. If I could I would again. What have you ever done for your Country? How many people did were lost in WW2? Over 60 Million! Do you know that 10 Million can be lost in one strike with a nuclear weapon? Get a hold of yourself losing a few thousand soldiers now will be a lot more tolerable that to see Millions of civilians die. Freedom has a cost, we have learned that from our history. If we would have gotten involved in Europe in 1938, the death toll would have been cut significently. Madmen do horrible things and Iran's government is an example of that.
mgo- Your comments just show your ignorance, Rev Wright, Muslim childhood? He hates Jews? Really? You are good Fox parrot, please call, I'm sure your box of crackers, will be sent right away!
Netanyahu knows from prior encounters with Obama that he's a useless dope. I sincerely doubt he's going to trust the security and survival of his country on Obama's opinion. In fact, whatever the Muslim sympathizer Obama suggests....do the opposite if Israel is to survive. Remember, Obama can't apologize to the Israeli people if they're all dead.
Obama could've put an end to this back in 2009 by aiding the Iranians that wanted to overthrow the current regime. Instead, he ignored their pleas and squandered an opportunity.
All Netanyahu has to do is look around him and see all of Obama's failures. Obama has ZERO influence over Israel's enemies. Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Syria all in chaos with radical Muslim elements trying to keep or take control. Iraq is descending into civil war. Iran is speeding up, not slowing down their quest for nuclear weapons. Obama is now in the process of losing the war in Afghanistan.
Netanyahu has no confidence in Obama. Only a blind person would.
DAVID: I wasn't aware that Netenyahu was the leader of our nation.
One would have hoped that the dummies on the Right who just couldn't wait to invade Iraq would have learned a bit of caution by now.
Given that Obama has done vastly better than your boy Dubya in taking out high level terrorists, you might want to reconsider your viewpoint but that would require rationality which is a rare commondity on the Right.
But since you're do Gung Ho to start a war, how about we send you buddy??? You'd just love that, right? And BTW fella, I"m an American Jew and the vast majority of us support Barack Obama and have little use for nutcases like yourself.
OzzieBoy, another Kool-Aid drinker I see. The only reason Obama was able to take out high level terrorists is because of all the groundwork the Bush Administration did including the intelligence gathering through the enhanced interrogation techniques that your clown boy Obama is against. He never would've located Bin Laden without the info provided by KSM during water boarding.
As for the "dummies on the Right who just couldn't wait to invade Iraq", maybe they got that idea from dummies on the Left like these boneheads:
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members...It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
I'm not gung ho to start a war with Iran, but it's inevitable based on the path Obama has put us on. Israel is going to defend itself no matter what. Once that happens, it's all going to hit the fan in the Middle East. We're still engaged there until at least 2014 and we will be drawn into any war that happens. All those Muslim nations that seem in disarray today will quickly come together to destroy their common enemy: Israel. Not much of a Jew, are you, if you're going to stand by and watch Israel get crushed by its enemy neighbors? The only nutcase here is you. Jewish-Americans will be very sorry indeed that they supported Obama.
David - Where do you think Clinton and the rest got the idea that Saddam Hussein was producing WMD? It sure as hell was not from our intelligence agencies and they didn't get that idea in a vacumn. They got it straight from the Mossad, the Zionist controlled media and from right wing "think tanks", such as PNAC. In fact, the PNAC letter in 1998, urged Clinton to use American force to promote regime change in Iraq and mention WMD. I am also sure our friendly AIPAC lobbiests were busy promoting war then, just as they are today.
I would also discount anything Hillary says, because she is a Zionist in the pocket of Israel.
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.
The Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire to see the Iraqi leader toppled, said Shlomo Brom, who was a senior Israeli military intelligence officer and is now a researcher with Israel's top strategic think tank.
Brom stopped short of accusing Israeli intelligence officials of intentionally misleading Britain and the United States.
His assertions could, however, undermine the reputation of the Israeli intelligence service, one of the most respected in the world.
Zionist Jews should be careful for what they wish. If things were to go bad, such as they did in Iraq, where the American people suffer great losses of treasure and soldiers, there could be a big backlash against those that pushed for war.
Enough of this faux bipartisan junk comparison. Nobody squawking about their side being better than the other or more or less responsible for the state the world is in should be opening their mouths about drinking the Kool Aid to anyone else AT ALL. Because you've missed the entire idea.
There is no two party system in this country. Pull your head out because your denial will not make the situation "unhappen" itself. You'll just be facing the wrong way to see the boot coming.
As far as Israel and Iran go? I don't want to hear anything Israel's wack jobs have to say about non-proliferation and Middle East arms races until the copy of the NPT with Nettinsharpton's signature on it comes through my FAX machine. And right behind it should be a copy of a UN nuclear weapon inspection report for Israel stamped "NOTHING TO SEE HERE".
Or else the Middle East arms race was started a long time ago. By Israel, when they flipped the bird to the UN and developed nuclear missiles in violation of treaty. Oh, and then tried to sell some of them to South Africa back in 1975.
Obummer had nothing to say about that though right? Neither did Bush, or any other sitting President/ Still think there's a party difference besides the animal symbols? Then you're a moron.
Iran hasn't attacked anybody in 260 years. Don't whine to me about sponsored terrorism when Israel and the US have been trucking MEK and Al Queda in and out of Iraq, Libya, and now Syria as well as Afghanistan and Iran itself all the way back to the 70's. There are three different terror organizations in Syria right now fighting as "the oppressed rebels" backed by NATO and all on the US sh-- list. Al Queda is flying flags over Iraq and Libya with Muslim Brotherhood joining the party. Yet both Bush's cabinet and Obama's have been blabbing about how Al Q is more or less an afterthought due to the War on Terror for the last 6 years. BS on this whole miserable murder of lying crows.
Rhynn - you do know that the NPT is worthless right?
How many nukes do we have here in the US?
Iran SIGNED the NPT. Which is a voluntary treaty by the way. Some people feel like they are violating it, others dont.
Israel (along with Pakistan and India) never signed the NPT... not bound by it. Israel is a sovereign nation much like the US, and can choose which treaties to be a part of.
Both sides should quit the saber rattling, and chill.
Big racist idiot!!! What are you sympathetic for? Nothing and no one.. If you had a grain of sand for a brain you would have tripled you capacity to learn.
You are one dumb redneck. We have nothing to do with the Jewish state and we better cut them off from our aid. The reason they are hawkish is that we finance them and the obnoxious jewish lobby in this country believes we have to defend them regardless of war crimes Israel has committed and is willing to commit. Sad that Obama feels he need to crawl into Netanyahu's ... to ascertain them.. I would prefer a politicians standing up to Israel and telling them you are on your own.
Joachim - i dont know... the oil lobby in the US is pretty obnoxious too, and pretty powerful as well.
A Pre-emptive attack on Iran by Israel. Advantage: Iran
Thanks to Bush attacking Iraq,a country who did not attack the U.S., Israel is just following suit doing a pre-emptive attack.
Israel needs to get rid of the conservative leadership, because they are going to destroy Israel.
oboma does't care if they attack as long as it is after the election.
Seems he wants to put off all the tough and unpopular decisions until after the election. Not a surprising position for the never ending campaigner. He hasn't accomplished anything in his first 3-1/2 years, but he wants another 4 years to play golf and use his taxpayer funded limo and 747.
He has not choice. He won't be able to get anything important done until we remove Republicans from the majority in the House and have a filibuster proof Senate majority. As to accomplishing anything in his first 3-1/2 years; He's accomplished more than Dubya did in 8 (if you don't include getting us into 2 costly, useless wars, wrecking the economy, failing to get bin Laden, providing tax cuts to his rich buddies and billions to the drug companies in the absurd Medicare part D debacle).
The decision not to go to war with Iran shpould not be a tough at all. Iran is no threat right now to either Israel or America. We have inspectors monitoring their nuclear enrichment, which cannot exceed a threshold of 20%. Until it does, there is no decision to make. If Israel attacks, let them do it alone and without our interference.
The last time we interfered, by monitoring the action in 1967, Israel attacked the USS Liberty, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 172. President Johnson, a Jew on his maternal side, kept the attack from the American people. Here are a few of his comments. The numbers are times, from a timeline.
1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes recalled; order is confirmed by President Johnson because "we are not going to embarrass an ally." Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces headquarters.
1717: Deputy Secretary of Defense orders that all news releases on attack are to be made in Washington. Soon after, Israeli helicopter approaches Liberty and requests permission to land. McGonagle refuses. Helicopter departs.
1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise Lewis will honor.
This is what can happen if a Zionist is in charge of the US. It is Israel before the USA.
Ol_Doc, are you self-medicating again?
Obama had a majority in the House and the Senate for the first 2 years of his pathetic term. How do you think he was able to shove the Obama-care debacle down our throats? He could've pretty much done anything he wanted those first 2 years, but he was so clueless and incompetent thing he accomplished was burying us in another $6 trillion in debt and climbing.
As for today's meeting, I'm sure Netanyahu didn't believe a single word coming out of Obama's mouth. He knows from history Obama can't be believed at any level. Always in campaign rhetoric mode and will say anything to appease the audience. Netanyahu knows he's dealing with a anti-Semitic coward that has thrown Israel under the bus more than once over the last 3-1/2 years.
You don't even know how your government works. The Bin Laden planning should have taught you something. The POTUS doesnt need to explain anything to idiots like on this blog. Shows how stupid you all are. Get a life...Your criticism show the arrogance of ignorant people
Netanyahu is one of Israel's political hawks, and he can't wait to punch Iran's nose. To expect the U.S. to back them up in still another mideast war is unreal. We need to take care of our problems at home - not the Israelis. I thought attacking Iraq was wrong, but I looked askance at the one person on a streetcorner protesting that war. This time I would be there, hopefully along with other Americans sick and tired of war.
Anyway, our taxes would have to go up to finance another war and all the Repubs have made a blood oath to Grover Norquist not to do that.
So what do expect Israel to do? Just sit there and wait to be nuked? Doesn't matter if Coward in Chief Obama has "Israel's back" when there won't be any Israel left. Who is Obama going to apologize to then?
David, why are you so anxious to start a war with Iran? Where is the US interest in this? Israel is a big boy so why would it be our fault if they get a bloody noise over this. Israel knows what they can accomplish is minimal against Iran so they hope to drag us into this to be their patsies. Im real tired of wars and the waste of American lives and treasure.
So Israel will start a war ... to stop a war. Israel has illegal nuclear weapons ... but want to prohibit legal nuclear enrichment in Iran. The twisted logic of skanky, nasty, bad bad people. If the Zionists attack Iran in contravention of the Law of War, we should attack Israel. Problem solved.
No, they're going to start a war and force us to finish it for them. We've already spent too much American treasure and FAR too many American lives supporting the failed experiment known as the State of Israel.
Good bye Israel!
Hey Benny !
Let the schvartza flap his lips to the media...then bomb the p*** out of Iran...'nuff B.S.
Obama only bows and supports the Arab countries. He has thrown ALL of allies under the bus. The man should be charged with teason; impeached and thrown in jail.
Only after Bush and Cheney are..
Really Allie? It seems to me he is the one that ordered the death of Osama bin Laden. You want traitors to go to jail; how about GW Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney?
It is not much of a urgent concern for Mr. Obama because we are far removed from the situation and Iran hasn't vowed to wipe us of the face of the Earth ... YET anyway.
How true.
Iran is still trying to work out how to attach a nuke to a suicide bomber.
well, dunno - they aren't called "backpack nukes" for nothing. About the size of a roll-aboard carry on and 45 pounds more or less. (low yield though - maybe 2 kt max and because it would be a ground burst, quite limited in blast effect. optimum is about 2800 feet. IT AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE)