GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- The worst exchange of strikes between Israel and the Gaza Strip so far this year entered its second day on Saturday, as Israeli aircraft carried out raids that have so far killed 14 militants according to a Palestinian count, and militants responded with nearly 100 rockets.
The flare-up began Friday with a strike on a commander who the Israelis say was planning an attack. This unleashed a fierce rocket barrage by Palestinian militants from the coastal territory toward Israel's southern border communities. One of those rockets seriously wounded an Israeli civilian and sent families scattering into bomb shelters.
By midday Saturday, militants fired 92 rockets at Israel - far more than the total number fired from the beginning of this year until this exchange of strikes began, a military spokesman said. He spoke anonymously in line with military regulations.
Egypt said it was trying to shackle together a cease-fire to halt the violence, but truce hopes seemed distant on Saturday.
'Escalation'
Gaza residents said they could hear the low whooshing noise of militants firing rockets from border areas toward Israel.
In the skies above them Israeli drones hovered, making tinny noises. Hundreds of Palestinian mourners gathered on the streets to bury their dead. They were carried in coffins, their bodies too torn up to be wrapped up in cloth, as Muslim tradition dictates. Masked militants among them sprayed machine gun fire above their heads in angry grief.
On Israel's southern border areas, residents were told to stay home and to refrain from holding large outdoor events on Saturday.
Nabil Abu Rdainah, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, blamed Israel for the violence and called for Western intervention to try and halt any further escalation which threatened to complicate rife tensions along the restive Israeli-Gaza frontier and their common border with Egypt.
"This Israeli escalation in Gaza is completely condemned and we urge the world community, and the Quartet (of Middle East power brokers), especially the United States, to put enough pressure on Israeli government to stop this escalation," Rdainah told Reuters television.
Israel said one of the militants killed on Friday had been involved in plotting a cross-border attack from Egypt. Israeli media reports said he had also been closely involved in the 2006 capture of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, freed as part of a prisoner swap in October.
An Israeli military statement said the latest airstrikes had targeted two weapons manufacturing sites. The strikes were launched in response to rocket fire from Gaza that injured four people in Israel, including one man, who is reported to be in a serious condition, it added.
Israeli media said the seriously injured man is a worker from Thailand.
Vow of revenge
Militant groups in Hamas-ruled Gaza vowed to exact revenge for the killings. According to the Israeli military, more than 90 rockets have been fired at Israel since Friday, including 25 longer-range Grad rockets intercepted by Israel's "Iron Dome" missile interceptor system.
Islamic Jihad and the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) claimed responsibility for most of the rockets and mortar shells fired which they also said totaled more than 70.
Israel launched some half a dozen airstrikes at militants in Gaza on Friday, killing 10.
Hamas, an Iranian-backed group that refuses to recognize Israel, did not claim responsibility for any of the missile attacks on Israel, and there were no reported civilian fatalities in Gaza, factors which may keep the violence from escalating.
However, Israel says it holds Hamas responsible for any attacks launched from its territory.
Around six Palestinians among 17 people wounded in the Israeli attacks have been identified by medics as civilians.
Hamas seized control of Gaza from Abbas's Fatah movement in a bloody 2007 coup, two years after Israel pulled its forces out of the territory it had captured in a 1967 war.
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Drive Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestinians into the sea. These guys start the trouble, then cry when Israel strikes back. Thanks to Obama, the Iron Shield stopped the long range missiles from doing any damage.
Then NUKE IRAN. These Islamic radical killers supply all of our enemies with weapons and training in order to spread radical Islam. Wihout these weapons, the "poor Palestinians might actually irrigate their lands and grow crops instead of trying to kill all infidels. We should still have a Koran burning day in honor of our soldiers that were killed in Afganistan. Pastor Terry Jones of Florida was right to have tried the Koran for crimes against humanity and found it guilty and burned a few.
Why are you thanking Obama for anything. Are you so grasping for things to praise Obama for that you have to give him credit for things he had nothing to do with. The "Iron Dome" system (not Iron Shield) that stopped the longer range GRAD rockets is a completely Israeli designed and built system. Also, from this encounter, it appears to be far superior to the US built Patriot anti-missile system.
Also, your inane call to "NUKE IRAN" does nothing but reinforce the negative image of the US that many foreign countries have. The US should never use nuclear weapons in a first strike scenario. Nuclear weapons should only be used as a last resort in response to a nuclear attack from another country. In addition, to promote the burning of the Koran is one of the most ignorant things I have seen posted here. A book can not be guilty of anything. In fact the Koran is no more violent than the Bible. If you ever bothered to read the Bible you would find some similar passages to those that people rant about in the Koran. It is not the book that is evil, it is the people who take it's passages out of context and twist their meaning to support their own evil agenda. Burning the Koran would do absolutely nothing but demonstrate your complete ignorance and incite violence.
Really? Sounds like he is getting Alzheimers… WHY would any Jew vote for Obama????
Obama tells Israel: Go back to 1967 borders
Read more:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/obama_tells_israel_go_back_to_borders_iExdm1xIHJQmIcTy3RqyJO#ixzz1oEcSl4GG
Netanyahu's office immediately issued a statement calling on Washington to reaffirm "commitments" made to Israel by former President George W. Bush in 2004, AFP reported.
"Among other things, those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines, which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centres in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) beyond those lines," the statement said.
"Those commitments also ensure Israel's well-being as a Jewish state by making clear that Palestinian refugees will settle in a future Palestinian state rather than in Israel."
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, one of the largest international Jewish human rights organizations, issued a statement saying a return to 1967 borders as a basis for negotiations "is a non-starter, when at least half of the Palestinian rulers are committed to Israel's destruction."
The Hamas faction, which does not recognize Israel, quickly issued a statement saying Obama must take "concrete steps" not issue "slogans."
Any tool could connect the propaganda dots.
Wait a minute. Israel did a pre-emptive strike because they thought an attack was being planned. They sent the rockets into Israel AFTER they were attacked. Do they not have the right to defend themselves just like Israel does?
First attack by Israel. This preemptive cr@p has to stop. Should we start killing people for having thoughts others don't agree with. Preemptive strike means the politician has failed to do his job. Get rid of him.
In this case "preemptive" means striking a group that is already possessing the rockets and is in the process of preparing them for launch.
When somebody is pushing a bullet down the barrel of a muzzle loader with intent to shoot at you, you have every right to pull your semi-auto and empty it into your adversary preemptively.
Well then, lets attack Russia, China, and any other nation with rockets pointing towards the sky. Not a good argument. When rushing to a fire bring water is the best policy and not more gasoline. Nations should be aware of how they are responsible for creating hatred in the World. All for me and none for you policies make it difficult to live anywhere don't you think.
You NEVER know the intentions of your 'enemy', you only know yours which is pull 45, point and shoot. Said it before and will say it again, difficult to be on the side of life when the negotiations happen through the sights of weapons.
"The flare-up began Friday with a strike on a commander who the Israelis say was planning an attack."
The administration supports Israel over Palestine. Is that why the U.S. gives aid and guns to Palestine? We did the same when we armed both Iraq and Iran. What's going on here?
The groundwork continues in the brainwashing for why pre-emptive strikes are okay. War in our best interest is okay, even if it hasn't broken out yet. Let's just help it along. But wait - WE aren't Israel. WE are the U.S. We've been primed by the media that this was going to happen. We're being set up to embrace this 'inevitable' conflict. And it isn't even ours.
I have one question for the guy in the oval office: Why is support of Israel against the Palestinians not racist? And why are we taking a position either way?
The cult jihadists have been shooting at Israel daily so preemptive is a mute point.. Trying to stop the aggressive sneak attacks by destroying hostile forces and their war waging materials seems prudent.. These people who believe that Islamist propaganda BS about the Jews need to have their head examined.. Jewish people have lived in peace with all other religious walks except the peace loving Muslims and the sick cults of Communism and Fascism.. Muslims teach their children hate and intolerance of others who will not bow to their child molesting, murdering Deity Mohammad..
You're acting like a warmonger. Peace.
@Peter Jacobs So you will be voting against Obama this election? Because he authorizes preemptive strikes all the time. Also if you will note, it comes out in the 11th paragraph that the strike was actually in response to a rocket attack:
This is yet more Bullsh!t anti-Israeli reporting that is false. The real headline should have been, "Israel launches strike after rocket attack injures four."
FedupwithFed
Great post and it was backed-up with facts. Many people just want Israel to 'lay low' and wait for and tolerate the violence and possible war directed towards them.
Preemption is the key. If someone says their going to burn your house down, and negotions fail, the instinct for survival dictates that you take them out first and hard. Then you try to negotiate again.
< Peter Jacobs > If Russia or China was taking pot shots at your home town in the US I bet you might feel different.. And I am guessing that we would have some kind of response to that kind of aggression.. The world has tried countless times to get a peace accord but are learning that when you have a cult religion that teaches its children hate and intolerance this is impossible..
Hamas is once again looking for cash and world sympathy. If they actually cared about the future of their children they would work diligently to make peace with Israel and win respect in the world. Perhaps its more exciting to be a whining terrorist group.
peace accord crap. they occupy the land put up a neutral zone then move into the neutral zone. this causes a conflict that has them callling for another peace accord so they can make a new neutral zone and then occupy that one. continually expanding thier region in the name of security...while commiting genocide on the current poputlation... that may be david or solomans way. but its definitely not jesus's. they killed him too.
Typically Israel is reactive to attacks by Palestinian linked terrorist groups. But there are instances where Israel was preemptive. In 1967, 5 Arab nations amassed armies on the Northern, Eastern and Southern borders. Although Israel pondered many responses, preemptive military response was appropriate.
This appears to be another appropriate preemptive strike. If it was aimed at the Palestinian population, many more Palestinians would have died. It was aimed at the people and facilities focused on attacking Israel. It was not focused on civilians but unfortunately civilians die when terrorists hide among civilians. And terrorists hope this occurs, it's great PR for them.
Blame the terrorist for civilian Palestinian deaths. Not Israel for protecting their own civilians who ARE targeted by terrorists.
Why do they always target civilians? This is the thing that truly mystifies me. What good purpose does it serve the Palestinians to return a military strike with one aimed at civilians? It seems to me that they would have figured out by now that it simply does nothing, but strengthen Israels resolve. They launch a few rockets at some militant base and the militants in return blow up a neighborhood. Strange mindset to me.
Hunt
Good question. They target civilians because that is the basic terrorist tactic. By targeting civilians they get the best PR, they create the most mayhem, and the can generally kill more people since they are soft targets, unarmed and less protected. No one feels safe. And in addition, the terrorists want Israel to go away, and the more civilians they terrorize, the better chance they perceive they have.
And while I am pro Israel, I realize it is not necessarily Palestinians who are the terrorists. The terrorists are Hams, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Islamist Jihad and who ever. Most are backed by Iran. The Palestinian people are the pawns of the terrorists, and they do suffer the most, but again because of the terrorists not the Israelis.
I agree Lar..its hard for me to villify the every day Palestinian who is also on the recieving end of these exchanges. What i have a hard time wrapping my head around is when are these terrorists groups going to realize that they need a new approach to it all. Obviously what they have been doing for fifty or more years is not working! They've accomplished not a damn thing, but fill the desert full of coffins and gained nothing more than an occasional cease fire. They truly are defining insanity,doing the same thing over and over and over again and still expecting a different result. Its bizzare.
Any peace promises from these radicals is a lie because Islam teaches deception as a means of furthering the cause of Mohammad.. This is in addition to the message of hate and intolerance all with the goal of world dominance.. I feel sorry for those who could live in peace but at the same time I do not because they accept the same ideology that the hard liners do.. Strapping a bomb to yourself along with women and children and sending them to kill for your cult God is not the behavior of rational human beings..
HUNT they get this tactic from their terrorist training handbook the Koran and it teaches them to continue until the Zionists and all others bow to the teachings of Mohammad..
Lar –
You see it as targeting civilians when I see it as lobbing over whatever weapons they have to cause harm. If they had more sophisticated weapons they would use them… look what happened in Lebanon when Israel went head to head with Hezbollah (much smaller and less sophisticated then the IDF) in 2010. The oh so mighty and awesome IDF resorted to targeting civilians because they were losing small ground the battles with Hezbollah which was better armed (rifles instead of stones) than in past battles.
When the shroud of fear from the oppressor is pushed aside as Hezbollah did in 2010 things can get very interesting.
This lack of logic is astounding.
When the Palestinians initiate the violence, it is the Palestinians's fault.
When the Israeli's initiate the violence, it is the Palestinian's fault, according to Israel and its supporters.
It has become increasingly clear to me that the only way we will ever have peace there is to force the Israelis to move out. The best way to do that would be to give an evacuation order in Jerusalem, and then glassify that f*cking sh*thole.
Or we could do it the way the Israelis do: pretend to give an evacuation order, then bomb to wipe out as many of them as possible.
Out of one side of your mouth you preach logic and out of the other you suggest a nuclear strike against Israel? Oh boy! Some of you people are truly disturbed! Your go to answer for everything... is nuke em!! You have no idea what you are suggesting do you? It just just sounds good. So your answer to the middle eastern problem is to oust the only nation in the entire area that has any sense of alliance with the western world? Oh yea that's completely logical. I hate to tell you... but Israel or no Israel the problems over there will remain as they have for thousands of years,so while you are on the nuke Israel kick..you might as well nuke the entire middle east while your at it. "Nuke em"...i swear to God what a wonderfully "logical" course of action!
That's funny, Stonedog. I usually hear the exact opposite of what you're saying.
"When the Palestinians initiate the violence, it is the Palestinians's fault. When Israel reacts, it's now completely Israel's fault.
When the Israeli's initiate the violence, it is Israel's fault. The Palestinians are the poor, innocent victims."
At least, that's the vibe I get from the media, both American and international. The blame is (unfairly) getting stacked against Israel, not Palestine.
stonedog34...be careful, your antisemitism is showing
Hey Leiya!! Good to see you!!
No, my go to answer is not nuke 'em.
When did I say that?
Oh, right, you're so unbelievably stupid that you interpret 'glassify' to mean 'nuke'.
Did I say 'nuke', Hunt, or did I say 'bomb'?
Did I say strike against Israel, or did I say 'wipe Jerusalem off the map'?
I'm sure you think of yourself as intelligent, Hunt, and perceptive, yet you are anything but these things. Just because you don't like that I am sick and tired of the lies that Israel and its supporters continuously spout does not give you justification to put words in my mouth, you dumbass.
And as far as
So what? The US won't have any reason to be involved anymore. We could just let the Arab League sort out its own problems.
Israel is not MY ALLY, Hunt, and neither are you. If all you have is crass assumptions to lob at those you disagree with, Hunt, then maybe you should just keep your f*cking mouth shut! XD
Since you apparently don't know, fedupwithfed, 'Semetic' is a term that applies to a broad region which includes not only Israel but much of the middle east and northern Africa. Jews do not have exclusive right to that title.
But if you want to call me 'anti- Israel' then go right the f*ck ahead, because at this point I am. :D
CAN ANYONE EXPLAINS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "LIFE 2" WITH HITLER?
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FROZEN HEAD OR IT'S JUST THE NATURAL END RESULT OF BUNCH OF NEO NAZIS IN THE "CHOSEN ONE" DILLUSIONAL CIRCUS LIKE ATTIRE???
YOU & YOUR TYPE ARE THE ONLY REASON IRAN'S ATOM BOMB PROGARM...YOUR KIND ONLY HURTS YOUR OWN. THINK ABOUT IT.
stonedog34
I hate to interfer with your banter and bias but FedUpwithFed said antisemetism. Here's the definition:
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Anti-Semitism Do YOU need another definition? See below.
http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+anti-Semitic&qpvt=antisemetic&FORM=DTPDIA
Justlikeyou
Please provide a source for your allegation that the IDF targeted civilians in Lebanon. True Iran backed Hezbollah was a strong force, but I don't believe the IDF ever targeted civilians.
Everyone remembers that Hamas brought into GAZA all the trimmings for a modern huge multistory shopping center. That was not hit. It was not targeted. The Israelis could have taken all of it out in 5 minutes. There is restraint but the restraint is not going two ways.
Everyone also knows that communications in Gaza are always intercepted. Telephone calls, computer messages, you name it Israelis are monitoring it. It is no secret that Iran has sent thousands of missiles into Gaza with the passive help of Egypt. There is a huge number of undercover agents in Gaza who work against Hamas and pass intelligence to the Israelis.
Don't be so naive to think that Israel just went out and bombed a car with terrorists for the fun of it. Holder said that the U.S.can kill Americans who are terrorists without a trial. Same thing for Israel, they find terrorists and kill them.
Remember what was posted and proven to be true:
"Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Chairman of the Arab Higher Committee, had collaborated with Nazi Germany during World War II.[33] In 1940, he asked the Axis Powers to acknowledge the Arab right "to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy."
Seventy years later the Arab hatred is alive and well. It is still a case of kill or be killed. All of you forget the Polish Uprising during wwII when the nazis were rounding up the Polish Jews to bring them to the extermination camps.
The total land area of Israel is the same size as the state of West Virginia. The Arabs control land 3-4 times as large as the U.S. And all you Anti Jews state that this tiny population of 5 million on a small area is causing a world wide danger to the more than 2 billion muslims/arabs.
Can you tell me another joke? Or can anyone of you tell me any significant reason that the survivors and relatives of a genicide should not be left alone in peace on a tiny strip of land that their ancestors 3000 years ago lived on?
Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah - all part of the Muslim Brotherhood cancer that infects this world with hatred, violence, and death to infidesl. As long as someone like Iran or (formerly) Saudi Arabia funds or enables the Islamo-Nazis, they will continue to launch as much terrorism at Israel and any infidels in their midst, and possibly elsewhere, as possible. Take a look at the Muslim Brotherood charter - it reads alternately like portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf. Their decades-long goal, as for much of the Islamic world, has been the destruction of Israel and any Jewish presence in their midst, with attacks also launched at Jewish targets around the world, as in Buenos Aires in the 1990's. Religiously, the Arab world's Jew-hatred would have made Hitler proud. Witness the gang-rape of CNN's Lara Logan during the "Arab Spring" riots, during which the howling mob chanted "Jew, Jew!" as they almost tore her apart. Politically, this is not borne from a dispute about land or borders, and the Palestinian "refugee" situation could have been ended decades ago if their Arab and Muslim brothers gave one sh_t for them, as they could have been resettled anywhere in the vastly uninhabited Arab world. Every other refugee group since World War II has been resettled except the Palestinians, who were only so named in the early 1960's as part of the formation of the terrorist organization PLO, so this so-called "nationality" is as phony as Yasir Arafat's comittment to peace during Oslo. The Egyptians and Jordanians locked the up the original refugees from the 1948 war in refugee camps, shot them if they tried to escape those hellholes, and converted them into a terrorist plague against the Jewish State, using them as both a political trump card and a terrorist proxy army against Israel. In the end, any presence of infidels on "Muslim land" is anathema to the Islamic cause. The land of present-day Israel was once ruled by Sharia (following the Mohammedan army's conquest of the region in the late 1st millenium), and by Islamic doctrine can never be allowed to be ruled by infidels. Couple that with the hatred for Jews infused in their society, and as long as the Brotherhood pervades that part of the world, they will launch as much terror and death against those they hate as possible. And they will sacrifice as many of their own in the process, glorifying the sick cult of "martyrdom", while the mainstream press will always report as this article does, implicitly painting Palestinians as the victims, even after they have launched thousands and thousands of missiles into Israel's civilan population.
So "glassify" doesn't mean nuke?...o.k. stonedense.LOL. So ..... lets get this straight, if "glassify" doesn't mean nuke it means to carpet bomb the whole place flat with conventional weapons until its liquefied sand? And the big difference between the nukes and the conventional bombs in the "kill as many as possible" in the "f...ing sh...hole" scenario of yours is what exactly? LOL. you are a friggin hoot! "Distinctions with out differences"..ever hear that one before ?LOL. But don't worry "stoner..i got it....1 million tons of tnt and bunch of microscopic spilt atoms is a huge difference to you in the snuffing out of the israeli's. So surely i'll apologize for misreading your intentions. You don't mean to "vaporize" them just fill them full of shrapnel.LOL.
The Israelis launch a preemptive strike on an ongoing project to attack Israel.
SO Hamas launches the attack anyway.
Typical.
There would be no need to have that many bottle rockets in place if they had not already planned to use them.
AND Hamas takes NO responsibility?
Well, who fired the bottle rockets?
I have no sympathy for Palestinians if the cannot rid themselves of their own curse.
That curse is Hamas.
This is what I don't understand.. Almost every single article written makes it seem that Israel is the aggressor.. Almost daily a rocket or mortar or a few bullets will zip across the border, sent by the peace loving Muslim cultists.. They have tried many time to have ceasefires and establish peace treaties but time and time again the peace loving Muslim cultists break the peace.. Islam is a cult of lies and hate that brainwashes its followers from childhood.. It reinforces itself with harsh laws and rules set up to keep its followers in line and from looking at other faiths in any eye but hate.. To even read or give a bible to a Muslim in many of these countries has the punishment of death.. What do they fear so much from a different point of view?? It is all the false teachings of hate that are woven into their cult false religion..
This is the type of thing that happens when you bang the war drum to long and to loud !!!!
One side or the other gets an litchi trigger finger . All you will hear is they started it first ( classic kid stuff). I'm afraid this is just the start of many more such incidents of this kind . As we all know this will not end soon and lead to further escalation of incidents of this kind . The boiling pot of the middle east is about ready to boil over . The question of if is now gone, now it is a matter of when will it boil over . Have the feeling it will be sooner rather then later . As we just gave Israel more war materials to fight with, changing the balance of power there.
bob
JS. In that case, lets have two Koran burning days. These guys hate us anyway. To say that the Koran is no more violent that the bible a joke. It shows how stupid you are. Although the bible is pulp fiction, as is the Koran, it does not mention spreading radical Christianity or pedophile catholism by the sword.
NUKE IRAN. Remember Truman. Cut off the head of snake before it is too late.
bob1/28: It would be helpful if America would turn off the flame under the pot.
islam is the beast of revelations
Seems the Islam-o-Fascists have a flaming rash of an itch on their trigger fingers.. I for one like free will and freedom of choice without Sharia law penalties of death for not thinking as you are told.. So Islam can kiss my a$$..
Every day should be Koran burning day.. The message of hate and intolerance it contains has no place in society..
tah whole region can kiss my a!!. Let them blow each other up. Been doing it for so long who cares anymore.
The article plainly says Israel attacked a commander who Israel says was planning an attack. I guess the IDF employs mind readers. Netanyahu must also employ mind readers to be able to say Iran is going to build nuclear weapons and when they get them, they will immediately attack Israel. Here is a Netanyahu prognostication that so far has not come true after 20 years.
1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US." Hey Bibi - the 3-5 year window is long past, where are the nukes, ahole?
1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militancy." Hey Shimon, its now 2012, where are the nukes, ahole?
1992: Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters." It appears Israel considered Iran their #1 enemy long before Ahmadinejad ever came to power and uttered his famous words, which have been distorted for Israeli propaganda. Notice Israel doesn't stage pre emptive strikes on any targets that have a chance to fire back. They want the US to do the dirty work, hence the propaganda, built on lies.
Iran has certainly had the materials for dirty bombs for the last 15 or so years.. But they will most likely not use them because this would irradiate the entire area..
Another intelligent poster who KNOWS just what the Israeli have had to put up with from these so called Palestinians...........who actually are ARABS from all the Arab countries in the area...and many of these so called countries were also developed/created just as the 'present day Israel was' from land originally called ARABIA............no such country as Palestine.........just Arabs from every single Arab country (made up in modern times or ancient).
I hope Iran wipes Tel Aviv off the face of the earth
Every feel like an ignorant bed wetting liberal,who has no common sense?
Pats would not be a liberal, he would be a right wing radical cracked teanut dunce who is member of the radical abortion clinic bombers, abortion doctor killers, federal building bombers or right wing southern anthrax spreaders- and the rest of the Klan.
You and most Americans have no common sense. Israel and the Zionist movement is the root of most of the worlds problems. You're just to stupid and ignorant to see it. So keep watching your Fox news, and keep voting for your AIPAC bought policticians. Dunce
Your peace loving tolerant Muslim cult followers who shoot mortars, rockets and bullets at civilians are far more the kind of folks that should rule the world?? Islam is a cult that teaches hate and intolerance to children and should be outlawed..
right, because iran offers so much more to the world than israel does. youre an idiot who clearly knows nothing about the situation at all.
Pats617 - You are nothing but an ignorant, misinformed, racist who needs to go crawl back under whatever rock you came out from under. Israel does not start things, they just know how to finish them when someone else does. They have every right to defend themselves against the Iranian backed militant Hamas.
Life2/stormerF - Pats617 can not be classified as either a liberal or a conservative from his post. The only conclusion you can draw from his post is that he is an ignorant racist. I think you will find people on both ends of the political spectrum that would find his comments abhorrent and who support Israel's right to defend itself against the Islamic radicals. This is not a conservative/liberal issue, it is an issue of a country's right to defend itself.
How does "liberal" equate to the extreme right-wing post of Pats617?
Speaking of no common sense, you win that award hands down.
JS..you live in South Dakota. You must LITERALLY live under a rock. Go back to your shack and let us more educated people do the talking.
And for the record I'm neither Liberal or Conservative. I believe this country is run by a bunch of Zionist Neocons with imperial ambitions. Every great empire eventually falls...and at the rate this country is going...its just a matter of time. And its not going to fall from outside "forces", it'll crumble from within...
Pats617 - The SD is for San Diego, not South Dakota, and I can pretty well guarantee that I am far more educated on this issue than you are just from reading your ignorant, racist posts.
Israel has every right to defend itself against the Iranian backed Hamas militants. Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by most countries in the world. Exterminating the leadership of Hamas would go a long way towards establishing a lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
JS - Go easy on Pats617. I think he is angry because he knows Israel was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, which blew up the 3 towers in a controlled demolition. He probably figured out 3 buildings, one of which was not even hit, can not fall into their own footprints as the towers and Bldg 7 did, without explosives being set weeks before.
The fact that the building had been recently insured against a terrorist attack for billions by Silverstein, might have influenced his thinking. Finding 3 charred passports of the alleged hi jackers at 2 sites might have looked a little fishy to Pats. He probably thinks they were planted evidence. Maybe he read the article of the "5 dancing Israelis" who were celebrating at Liberty Park, NJ, as the towers fell. They were taking pictures of themselves with the towers in the background, falling to the ground. 2 of them had explosives training in Israel. He probably found it strange how their boss at Urban Moving, fled to Israel the day after the attacks.
Or maybe he read these links on how Israel and the neocons got the US into the war in Iraq. Who knows?
http://www.rense.com/general29/perl.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/ignoble_liars.htm
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc1.htm
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc2.htm
SameO! SameO! As usual, the trouble started when Israel hit back !!!
Pats617
I hope Ahminidijad tips his c*ck with a nuclear warhead and shoves it up your racist A-hole.
Pats, bet you only express your views only online. Wish you'd express them to me in person you little c*nt.
To get the start and the intentional terrorist attacks on Negev go to http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3089,00.html. Breaking news. Start 12:36 (Israel time 03.09.12)with 2 rockets shot from Gaza to Negev. There are pictures of the huge rockets. The Hamas offshoot (for deniability)Islamic Jihad and PRC started the salvo- whether at behest of their former ghodfather of terror- Syrian Assad or as a courtesy to their brethen in MB/Noir/Iran. They and they alone started the mayhem and Israel must protect its citizens from these terrorists and its about time that the PA/Abbas starts taking responsibility for the acts of terror since PA/Abbas has signed agreements for 'mutual' transitional g'ment. It also behooves Egypt to stop the missile/rockets/arsenals into being transferred from Egyptian soil into Gaza from the brethen in Libya .
The very latest add-on. So far there has been over 92 (ninety-two) rockets launched into Israel. The Islamic Jihad has a multiple rocket launcher vehicle (exact copy of those seen in Libya-Al Queda affiliat6ed rebel fighters) go to : http://www,ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-42008,49,00.html The terrorists have eager aiders and abettors just across the border of Gaza.
Worst Gaza Flare up,sounds like the plaque has raised its ugly head again,Wonder how much Hillary and Obama will send them to rebuild their rocket launcher pads between civilian houses this time. Last time they sent 900 Million dollars to Gaza,so the Palestinians could pay Hamas.
It does not take much money to buy Estes Model rocket launchers.
(they might have a hard time finding the nine volt transistor batteries though)
Stormer. Again, dunce. It was Obama who built the Iron Dome to protect the Israelis. It was not John (town cryer) Bonehead, Mitch McDumbell or their boss Groper Nutquist. And it certainly was not the Pope's boy Rick the Dick Sanitarium who was busy doing vaginal ultrasounds.
You really sound braindead, probably from listening to Fox Lies and Eric Bowleggs, David Asswipes and The Sludge. Even Miss Piggy knows that Fox Lies is a faux news channel.
What you have to learn is that repukes say a lot but do nothing. Why do you think, well maybe you are not capable of thinking, that the right wing obstructionist radical cracked teanuts in congress have an 11% approval rating-the worst in history, because they are nuts like you.
Life2-
The US has sent several hundred million to Gaza in foreign aid. (I think 900 million sounds about right.) Obama requested 200 million from Congress to help fund the construction of additional Iron Dome projects. They were already being developed and constructed by an Israeli defense contractor, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. So they were not built by Obama, he just helped add more. And even so, that's more aid to the radical-led Palestinians than to our own allies. Honestly, doesn't something seem wrong about that?
And btw, you really need to take a chill pill. I'm not a big fan of the current Republican leadership either, but the hate you're spewing makes you look far more ignorant than they do. Rational arguments win debates; name calling wins over more nutters. You may want to rethink what you're trying to accomplish.
Both political parties have had their moments of total stupidity.. One thing they have in common is screwing the American people.. Laws that pertain to everyone else but them is unconstitutional.. Foreign aid needs to stop, we give away money like it is nothing.. Oh wait it is nothing because the politicians take it from us and borrow it like it is air..
The decision to build the Iron Dome system was made by the Ministry of Defense in 2007, following a year in which Hizballah fired thousands of missiles into northern Israel during the Second Lebanon War. Israel had also experienced rocket attacks on its southern communities from the Gaza Strip, mainly carried out by Hamas.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/irondome040711.html
So how does Obama get credit for it??? Dunce?
Life2, Obama could not build an economy or an erector set much less an anti-missile system.
Raphael designed and built the system in Israel.
Obama just voted to fund future batteries to be built.
Which poses a bigger question.
WHY are we funding Israel AND the Palestinians?
WHY?
The funding is one sided on purpose, Palestine get very little, but makes the US look good.
Israel gets much more because we back them.
This needs to stop.
We need full funding to go to Israel.
The Palestinian aid was Hillary's idea.
ViewerReady: No! We need to stop funding BOTH of them. We need all that money for our own citizens. Let them kill off each other until no one is left standing. That's what they've been doing since 3000 BC and neither side will ever stop hating the other. Why does the whole world have to be dragged into the fight because of the mindless hatred of these two ethnic groups?
nuke the israel
Vancouver: Your brain sounds like was destroyed when your local right wing catholic priest stuck it to you when you were a little boy. It wasn't worth the liberal Girl Scout cookie was it. When you faced the wall and he pulled your pants down, did he tell you that he was doing for Jesus? This is what these nuts tell their victims.
You can still get cured. Take Stormer with you and go to welfare queen Michelle (never tells the truth) Bachmann's mental health in MN, where she and her husband Dancing Marcus claim that Jesus and God come there once a week to treat nuts like you. After you come out of there, you will so deranged that you think that you will be seeing men and boys with wings on flying around blowing horns or statues of Mary crying blood.
God dude, grow up. someone has an opinion different than yours and you resort to calling names ?? Pathetic. Must be a Jew. A baby Jew at that judging by what you had to say.
@Life2 you are proof this country needs a new President! Idiot
JJ. Sorry dunce, I am not jewish. I left the pedophile breeding catholic religion long ago because of the fairy tales it teaches. Religion is for fools, and they deserve to be attacked for trying to force their stupid beliefs on others.
I see you are a hater of jewish people. That means you must be a braindead evangelical nutcase Child of the Corn dunce, that Harold Camping left behind on Rapture Day, or a dumb catholic that keeps the gay, rapist, pedophile priests in business.
Want a new president, then get rid of lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader and bankrupter, the criminal lobbyist Nut Gingerhead, Vaginal Sanitarium and the last living founding father the old geezer, crackpot Paul.
Yiu best bet is to bring back Herman (9Kampf) Cain, the dress slitherer. He will draft Jerry Sandusky foir VP. Then you will have the best family values candidates the repoukes can offer.
CAIN/SANDUSKY in 2012. Right wing nuts for prosperity.
Life2
Now there's a troll that works hard for his money!
2010: Cretin
The Tamil Tigers are history. Why? Pin pricking will not get rid of the pest problem.
There are far larger numbers of Palestinian terrorists and Palestinian terrorist supporters than the Tamil Tigers had in active members or supporters. The Tamil Tigers were mainly geographically located one area and generally did not seek a wider world war for their cause. They were relatively easier to deal with in the end. It took ignoring the false accusations about war crimes committed against the Tamil Tigers and the constant phony truce proposals from Tamil Tiger supporters. You would have to kill over 1 million people in Gaza and another few million in the West Bank to have the same effect. In addition you would have to kill many dozens of millions of Palestinian terrorist supporters around the world.
just look at a map of israel after ww2 and look how its grown since then.israel took peoples land then calls them terrorists for wanting it back or to be paid for it.jesus christ couldnt satisify those people in the mideast i doubt american involvement in their thousands of year old fight will help either.
have you heard war will bring peace?this is what mean people would like u2believe.so i have a plan
take all the religious&political leaders&diplomats who failed@the peace talks along with their puppetmasters,other mean people who support them&their famlies2the front lines of war.if the mean people think killing women and children is acceptable,let them hold a few of their dying family members.
if we send only the mean people to war the mean peoples plan that"war will bring peace"will work
gimpy1,
While you are looking at maps, look a little longer. Where do you find the first mention of Palestine? In case you don't live near a library, that would be by Herodotus in about 450-420 BC. The inhabitants were called Philistines, and their lands included parts of modern-day Israel, Lebanon and Syria. And where do you find mention of Lebanon and Syria volunteering to give back land to the Philistines? Just sayin...
"Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it." ---George Santayana
gimpy: take a look at a map and look at the comparative size of israel vs. it's arab neighbors. Additionally, consider that the entire population of israel is about 14 million people vs. hundreds of millions of arabs. Help us understand how israel gains by being an aggressor? The aggressors are on the other side of the border, not israel.
I am a Native American. Do you think it would be okay for my people to ask every non-Native to move back to Plymouth Rock? Of course not. There is an old adage of war, "To the victor go the spoils" Don't start anything you can't finish, and if you do and lose, be prepared to pay for your mistakes.
Seven, What did Natives start that they couldn't finish? Betrayal? Land grabbing? Theft? Genocide? You should go back to Plymouth Rock, take your people who think like you, and continue going east for about 3500 miles to where you belong. I doubt you're native american. Maybe a christian.
D Dirty Dog,
For the record I am Cheyenne. I am not a Christian. I do believe in God. You missed my point. I know the Natives did not start anything. I was referring to the article in which the Palestians started launching rockets into Israel. Sorry for the mis-understanding.
gimpy1
You are cherry picking history to your own needs. The Jews were happy with the 1948 partition. Immediately before and after the vote the rich palestinians removed themselves from the entire area. After the 1948 vote the rest of the Palesinians left the land. They left the land as they knew the area was going to be a war ground and didn't want to get killed. They wanted to give the Arab nations a clear field of fire to exterminate the Jews.
The Jews won the war and all the following wars. There is an old saying to the victors belong the spoils and that includes, the land, the houses, the farms and anything that was left behind.
Take a look at Europe over the last five hundred years and follow how the borders changed. There were never complaints. The winners took and the losers lost. So the jews squeeze 5 million jews and 3 million Arab Israelis into an area the size of West Virginia. And the rest of the Arab countries have how many thousands of times the area of Israel?
By the way the population of West Virginia is less than 1.8 milion. Israel is squeezing almost 5 times as many people in the same area.
Gimpy: Reread your first paragraph, and think how America was settled. Want to give back the land we stole, or get rid of the reservations? Thought not.
Realize this: the barbarian Arabs went to war with Israel four times, and got their a$$e$ whipped. It's called 'the spoils of war'. They can take what they want, because, as in America, might makes right. Let the 'Palestinians' settle in Jordan and Lebanon, where they came from.
Israel keeps calling for negotiations; Hamas keeps sending rockets. The only change I would make, is that when a rocket comes from Gaza, the airstrikes use Napalm.
Israel WON the land in wars they did not start.
The only difference is when they won it they did not give it back.
Sounds smart to me.
Viewer - Israel definately started the 1967 war. Why do you lie, when the proof of Israeli aggression is overwhelming? Here is some of the proof.
"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war."
Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
“The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ‘no threat of destruction’ but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could ‘exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.’...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to make: ‘In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’“ Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”
Was the 1967 war defensive?
“I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68
“Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan stated] ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.
And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.’” The New York Times, May 11, 1997
The history of Israeli expansionism
“The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”
Turn Gaza into a "Permanent Vacant Parking Lot." But Do Not Be Deceived as Hussein Zero is, this is All Just a Diversion to turn attention Away from Iran. "For Gaza Shall Be Forsaken and Ashkelon a Desolation." Zephaniah 2:4
Terrorists in Gaza start the trouble, Israel get blamed for responding to them. Hamas and Fatah run off to start a salvo in the publicity war and blames Israel there as well. As I sit here in my bomb shelter in Sderot I wonder why this double standard for Israel?
Stewart. It is all Islamic propaganda. If it was any other religious group in the Israeli territory, Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus etc. It would be the same. The Islamics only goal in life is to spread radical Islam, and Israel is in the way. Everyone that does believe in Mohammed or Allah is an infidel that must be converted or destroyed.
Give them their own state and stop the madness- all this does is escalate- Israel steals land from neighboring countries, denies the Pal. their own state and then wants to bomb Iran- they are blind to the mess they create- but even their citizens dont agree with their own politicians
Only a right wing nut who is clueless says Israel stole their lands. According to Nut Gingerhead it was never the Palestinians lands. This is one of the few true things the criminal lobbyist said,
Israel won these lands by fighting of the Islamics, and should never have given back Gaza.
life thats not true. israel was given this land by the allies(french i believe) after WW2. they have since stretched their borders through warfare. you can look it up yourself though. im not your personal historian.
Pitts: Yes that is true, that is how Isael was established, but according to Gingerich, who is right, the Palestinians never owned or had any rights to the land. He also said that the Palestinians were not a real group. I said that Israel got more land because it took it as punishment for being attacked by the Islamic extremists. You certainly are a clueless repuke.
That's easy.
On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly voted to partition Palestine
into two states, one Jewish and the other Arab. The UN partition plan divided
the country in such a way that each state would have a majority of its own
population, although some Jewish settlements would fall within the proposed
Palestinian state and many Palestinians would become part of the proposed Jewish
state. The territory designated to the Jewish state would be slightly larger
than the Palestinian state (56 percent and 43 percent of Palestine,
respectively) on the assumption that increasing numbers of Jews would immigrate
there. According to the UN partition plan, the area of Jerusalem and Bethlehem
was to become an international zone.
Most Arabs regarded the proposed Jewish
state as a settler colony .
Publicly, the Zionist leadership accepted the UN partition plan, although
they hoped somehow to expand the borders allotted to the Jewish state. The
Palestinian Arabs and the surrounding Arab states rejected the UN plan and
regarded the General Assembly vote as an international betrayal. Some argued
that the UN plan allotted too much territory to the Jews. Most Arabs regarded
the proposed Jewish state as a settler colony and argued that it was only
because the British had permitted extensive Zionist settlement in Palestine
against the wishes of the Arab majority that the question of Jewish statehood
was on the international agenda at all.
Fighting began between the Arab and Jewish residents of Palestine days after
the adoption of the UN partition plan. The Arab military forces were poorly
organized, trained and armed. In contrast, Zionist military forces, although
numerically smaller, were well organized, trained and armed. By the spring of
1948, the Zionist forces had secured control over most of the territory allotted
to the Jewish state in the UN plan.
They, The Palestinians, signed the agreement, then started the war.
The land taken is spoils of war.
Too damn bad.
When the Jordanians and Egyptians controlled the so-called West Bank and the Gaza Strip for 19 years (1948 to 1967), there was never a thought of giving the disorganized mass of “migrant workers” a state. Why? Because they knew there was no cohesive, homogeneous people known as “Palestinians.”
By all eyewitness accounts of that era, Palestine was a total desolation. There were virtually no trees and no people. Because of lack of trees, the weather changed and it rarely ever rained. The irrigation systems of the once fertile valleys were all destroyed, rendering most areas into malaria-ridden swamps. The terraces of the mountainsides were torn down, causing terrible erosion that left only barren rocks. This was the condition of Palestine by the beginning of the 19th century.
It was at this time that Jews began to flee severe persecutions in Russia and Eastern Europe. In the mid-1800s, some Jews came to Palestine and, with the generous aid of some successful Jews like the Rothschilds, began to buy property from Muslim Ottoman Turks. The Muslims thought the land was worthless anyway, so they sold it to the “dumb Jews” for extremely inflated prices.
To everyone’s amazement, the Jews were very successful at reclaiming the land. Many of them died from malaria and the rigorous life the work demanded, but they performed an agricultural miracle that made the land very productive again. As a result of their success, poor migrant workers from the surrounding Muslim countries began to flood in to work for the Jews. The Jews literally became victims of their own success – almost all of the people calling themselves “Palestinians” today are the descendants of those migrant workers.
Wow Fedupwithfed, I think you may have missed your true calling. You should take up the writing of fairy tales. The one you just made up is a beauty. I am not buying it, but that is just me.
Free Lunch..........Israel 'steals land from neighboring countries' you say...........just what COUNTRIES ARE THESE? I really think you need an education!! LEARN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THAT AREA, PLEASE, before you make anymore ridiculous statements!!!
freelunch ----- The Palestinians WERE GIVEN their own state. They demanded ALL of the land, their own and Israel's, too.
Ralph H, the Jews really did buy land in Palestine, going back to the 19th Century, and recorded in Ulysses by James Joyce. It is no fairy tale...unlike your assertion that the Jews killed Jesus, which even the recent Popes have denied.
Cassanda - I am sure the Jews bought some land, but they stole far more than they were ever able to buy. I told you previously that I could care less about Jesus. James Joyce wrote novels, not history books.
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
David Ben Gurion (first Israeli PM, quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
See blow Cassandra - The Jews did not buy entire villages - they drove the Arabs off of their land and out of their villages, so they could take them for themselves and future Jews from Eastern Europe.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
RalphH, you are absolutely ignorant of what ia going in Israel . The truth is that there was enough place here for all(not now). Arabs murderous enmity toward Jews brought this situation. They never were willing to compromise. Wanting "all or nothing" got them the nothing.
Yan Sever
Here is how Sister Sarah, the great American Zero, can help us invade Gaza and attack the Islamic nuts. She can be part of the invasion force.
We have to attack Gaza before it is too late. The best way is to send the right wing radical cracked teanuts over there to fight. First let Sister Sara attack from the front in her helicopter gunship where she is experienced in shooting wolves from the air with her blazing AK47, turns them into insatnt woldburgers. Then get the other dunce, the flying witch from Delaware, Christine O Donnell. to attack their flanks using her rocket powered, heavily armed broomstick. Then the macho nut Rick Sanitarium can get his boss, the Pope's boys, the rapist, pedophile catholic priests to attack from the rear. John (town cryer) Bonehead and Mitch McDumbell can direct operations. Groper Nutquist could be the sniper, as all he has to do is lift the lid from his trash can and fire away.
Harold Camping, the evangelical king, can assist by getting the 500,000 or so braindead evangelical Children of the Corn, that he brainwashed to give up all of their worldly possessions to go meet and stay with the man in the sky. These zombies would not care if they died because they would finally get to meet and stay with the man in the sky. Camping can supply them with bibles to throw at the rebels with some of the millions he bilked these fools out of.
If they still need more help, we can recruit the right wing centrists: the abortion clinic bombers, federal building bombers, abortion doctor killers and the radical right wing southern anthrax spreaders. With this army of right wing nuts and Jesus Freaks, we save our real army for another day.
Ron (Puke) Paul can preach liberty to the Islamics and Muslims who he loves. Maybe lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader can get some of his buddies that he grew up with in Tijuana to volunteer to help also.
Any prisoners that are taken can be sent to Nut Gingerheads 2 trillion dollar moon colony on an unihabitable planet. There is no atmosphere there, so no oxygen and only traces of water. It is hotter than boiling water there during the day and it goes down to 160 degrees below zero at night. In fact, it so nice there, that we should also send the 4 clowns that are running for the repuke nomination there also. Ron (Puke) Paul can preach liberty to the men in the moon, lyin Willardo can establish an off planet moon bank to hide his money, Nut Gingerhead can destroy the moon peoples housing market, and the Pope's boy, Sanitarium can try to find work for his base, the rapist, pedophile catholic priests and braindead evangelical Children of the Corn.
If the right wing cracked teanuts want to beat Obama they need new candidates. Cain/Sandusky in 2012. These two are their best family values candidates. .Who cares what they did in the past, they are against abortion, that is all that counts to these nuts.
Can't wait for the Pope's boy Sanitarium to be president of the right wing radical cracked teanuts, the gay, rapist, pedophile catholic priests and the braindead evangelical Children of the Corn zombies. Men will no longer have to purchase condoms, as they will no longer be allowed in this country. All mens sperm must be used to create babies. Cameras will be in every bedroom. Catholic priests don't have to worry however, because, according to the testimony of former raped little boys, they don't use them.
I think Sanitarium is in desperate need of a vaginal ultrasound to find out what happed to his brains.
The Pope's first order to his boy will be to release all catholic rapist pediophile priests from prison as the Pope is running out of people to continue the process of shearing his sheep. He is running out of collection pot fillers. After all, he needs the money to fight off all of the lawsuits against the church worldwide.
His second order to RickyDickyDo will be to move the White House to Vatican City.
the thing that you are blind to is that the Republician campaigns are funded by super pacs- most of which is Jewish-American money so I'm missing your point about the Israeli connection-
Obama gets more money from the jewish people than the repukes do, so what is your point. This is according to articles in the Jewish Exponent and other jewish newspapers that have been posted online. Because some very wealthy jewish people have given large amiunts is a small minority that want to have control in tjhe rpuke administartion. My point is that the repukes say a lot but do nothing, while Obama built the Iron Dome for the Israelis, worked with Mossad to knock out the Iranian centrifuges and probably helped themn with the nuclear scientist assassinations in Iran.
My point is also, that by sending the worthless, obstructionist teanuts over there to fight in Gaza, we do not risk any harm to our soldiers. The teanuts seem to all want to go meet and stay with the man in the sky, so let them.
Since warmonger John McCain wants to bomb Syria, let his teanuts do it also. No loss.
AAAHHHH LIFE TWO...an intelligent poster who KNOWS the history of the area in question...one of a few that I've read.............there are just too many bigited Jew haters posting and these same people are totally IGNORANT OF THE HISTORY OF THE AREA...............it's been a long one and really needs going over by many posters........else they will suffer from misconception until they die of their ignorance.
What a movie it would make. Except, let's use live ammo.
cant we all just get along?
I agree Pittsburgh. Centuries have past and yet "religion" still gets in the way.
No we all can't just get along. As long as Islam exists, its purpose, according to the Koran, is to spread it by any means possible-lying, stealing, killing and destroying. No muslim can be trusted. If you do not believe in Allah and Mohammed, you must be converted or destroyed, because everyone else is an infidel.
Pretty ignorant - Life 2. Have you even visited a Muslim country. I have visited lots of them and no one ever tried to convert or kill me, even when I visited their mosques as a tourist. (I haven't been to the really crazy places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Iran). An Egyptian cleric a few years ago issued a fatwa that said covering a woman's face has nothing to do with Islam. It became a custom in what is now Iran (Persia) a thousand years before Islam.
Muslims can become quite unreasonable when their religion is insulted. I was never tempted to insult them when I was in their couuntries. But otherwise, they are quite tolerant of others. In Iran there are still 25,000 Jews that have a seat in the Parliament and have resisted big subsidies to move to Israel. When the Crusaders took Jerusalem, they killed all the Muslims and Jews in the city. When Saladin took it back, he let the Christian soldiers go after paying a fine, respected the Christian churches and invited Jews to come back and live in Jerusalem. In the Church of the Holy Sephulcure in Jerusalem, a Muslim family holds the key to the front door because the Christian sects controlling bits of the Church are always fighting with each other. The Muslim Ottoman Empire was much more tolerant than European countries toward minority religions and in World War I there were four Jews on the Turkish ruling council.
There are some violent Muslim fanatics among the 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world - mostly in developing countries - particularly in countries undergoing civil wars. But the idea that all Muslims want to kill or convert all Christians and Jews is pure ignorance.
Can't wait for the Pope's boy Sanitarium to be president of the right wing radical cracked teanuts, the gay, rapist, pedophile catholic priests and the braindead evangelical Children of the Corn zombies. Men will no longer have to purchase condoms, as they will no longer be allowed in this country. All mens sperm must be used to create babies. Cameras will be in every bedroom. Catholic priests don't have to worry however, because, according to the testimony of former raped little boys, they don't use them.
I think Sanitarium is in desperate need of a vaginal ultrasound to find out what happed to his brains.
The Pope's first order to his boy will be to release all catholic rapist pediophile priests from prison as the Pope is running out of people to continue the process of shearing his sheep. He is running out of collection pot fillers. After all, he needs the money to fight off all of the lawsuits against the church worldwide.
His second order to RickyDickyDo will be to move the White House to Vatican City.
What was Russia's religion? Or China's? Politics gets in the way. Bullying gets in the way. Inequity gets in the way. Human nature gets in the way. Stop blaming. The opportunities for war are always with us. Choose peace not war. Don't start wars. Don't create wars. Don't support wars. Don't allow administrations to take our money to plan war under the table and under the guise of peace, smiling all the time that they will work to keep us out of it. Peace. Cut the federal government off from our money - than they can't use it to promote wars! They aren't supposed to have it for anything other than to keep the basics going. WE are supposed to keep the vast bulk of our own money. If we did, the fed couldn't manipulate us to the degree they do. And this crap about Obama being able to bypass the People (Congress - representatives of the People) to wage war as he sees fit. The American people are screwed under these types of pandering and patronizing administrations.
Escalation of violence in Gaza is the politically correct way to say “genocide” or “Holocaust” or “ethnic cleansing” of Palestinians. It is amazing that the world sits idly by and watches as Israel commits the most horrendous crimes against humanity. Never in all of history has there been a more clear case of crimes against humanity as the real Holocaust being committed against the Palestinians today.
Amen. How quickly we forget history... The same people who were victims of the most horrendous crimes against humanity are now committing those same crimes against another group of people. Nazis dehumanized the Jews, and that's why the world was ok with their mass murder. Now the Israelis are dehumanizing Palestinians, and major news networks are ok with their mass murder. Who will it be next?
Lawsy, Miss Scarlett, you don't know nothin' about the Palestinians. The main fact about them is that their population is expanding rapidly, aided by the fine free natal care at the Hadassah Hospital...which was named in honor of its supporters, the American Women's Zionist Organization. If the Israelis are trying genocide, they are doing an awful job of it.
Bibi meets with Barack in D.C. and within days he murders and wounds scores of Palestinians in Gaza, the world's largest open air prison. Was he given the green light to do so? Or just more weapons and dollars for mass destruction and mass murder? As the virulent racist and terrorist system it is, Zionism is the greatest threat to world peace. What happens to the USA when this terrorist system in Zionist Israel meets the same well deserved fate as Apartheid in South Africa and Nazism in Germany?
Perhaps you didn't read the article. Every one of the deaths was an armed militant. Not one civilian death.
Northlite - Don't believe everything you read. The article refers to them all as "militants" because it's propaganda. If you want to find honest reporting about the Israel/Palestine conflict, you won't find it on any corporate or American news website.
Scarlet: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn about your uneducated rants. Go back to the plantation and beat your slaves.
Which one of us sounds uneducated?
He said/She said!!! Or, in this case, he said/ he said! Wah, get over it! Gaza was won in a fair fight, it should never have been given back. I think some one of our Presidents talked the Israelis into it? Anyway, this is the kind of paranoia that the Israelis are so famous for. They see ghosts in every shadow! Just like with Iran and some ficticious nuke. Israel needs to grow up, and stop being a bully, huh? Just like we need to grow up, and stop being a bully!!!!
Hitler won Czechoslovakia and Poland in a fair fight. Why does that crazy UN say that it is illegal to take over a country, throw out the locals and put in your people. Die mussen besser verstanden was recht ist.
The difference, Tampon, is that those countries did not attack Germany three times before Hitler occupied their land.
DfromSpencer, Paranoia?! What about 9/11. Do you think it is different from what is going here in Israel? Arab children are educated in hatred. The initiative in the bombing is absolutely theirs. And Israel does not wipe this wasp net called Gaza only because its reluctance to hurt civilians, which does not stop the other side, they bomb civilians only. Incidentally, there was a hit of Israeli school bus by a tank hitting missile. Fortunately, the bus was empty. Fortunately also for them, because if it weren"t, they would get an unprecedented wrath of an attack.
Yan Sever
They must destroy all muslims, drive them back to mecca. The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people, it was givin to them by God. Blessed be the land and name of Israel. Those that bless Israel shall be blessed, those that curse Israel shall be cursed. There is no place for muslims in the World.
Please remember to take your meds before you pick up your favorite weapon--the Bible! Its a cudgel! No. Its a club! No. Its a bomb! No. Its a bazooka! No. Its a nuke! No. Its Steven's Bible. Just like Jesus said!
Not my Bible the word of God, and take your meds before you vote for @!$%# obama, gay rights, abortion, or protest in favor of those that hate us like the muslim scum of the World.
"There is no place for muslims in the World". What kind of ignorant redneck are you? I don't even think a Jewish person would say something so offensive. I don't think there's a place in the world for you, Steven.
Kill, kill kill - that's what Jesus would do.
The snag is if God wants the Jews to have Israel, he must be an orthodox, maybe even ultra orthodox. By that reasoning, anyone with a non-Jew in their maternal line (most of the immigrants from Europe) is not Jewish. The orthodox don't encourage conversions and don't recognize those by more liberal sects.
The Romans expelled the Jews from Jerusalem in 70 AD and kept them out til the 5th century, but there is no historical evidence that they kicked the Jews out of Palestine. Probabaly a lot of the locals in Palestine had ancestors that converted to Christianity when the Christan Romans were in power and then to Islam after 638 when the Muslims took over.
So the thorny question is - which Jewish family has the right to kick which Arab famlily out of their house and take their land. Are atheist Jews OK (nearly half of Israeli Jews)? What about some of the converts and mixed blood Jews from Europe who aren't really Jews by traditional definitions? God should really specify which Jewish families are the ones with the rights to the Arab houses and lands.
I think it should be the guys in the Polish fashions from several centuries ago who pray to the retaining wall that Herod built, pretending it is the wall of the second temple. They don't accept American kosher meat (illegal to import into Israel), don't accept women in the workplace, in politics or with any important role in religious ceremnoies, say women can't ride together with men on a bus (they must sit in the back or get death threats) and many of them receive state subsidies and don't work (because they can't be near women), and are exempted from military service so they can pray for the death of their enemies (all Muslims and more liberal Jews).
I think those are the people that God wants to kick the Muslim families out of their houses in the West Bank so they can take their land. Nobody really wants Gaza - it is an isolated enclave run by various crazy, violent fanatics that are stupid enough to fire rockets at Israel.
But there is a question of why Israel was attacking Gaza after a supposed cease fire. Is there some benefit for Israel in doing this? The Jewish violent extremists have been trying to provoke the West Bank Muslims to violence by attacking the mosques and property but haven't been very successful. They are stuck with the dilemma of want the West Bank but wanting to exterminate or expel the 2.4 million Arabs that live there (otherwise they become permanent residents of Israel). Maybe vioelnce in Gaza and in a war against Iran will provide enough confusion and anger to let them accomplish their Nazi-like goals.
PingPong. Here is who you need to lead the Christian dunces to drive out the radical muslims that you seem to love. You should go with the other muslim lover Ron (Puke) Paul to visit his good buddies at Guantanamo and stay the night. When both of you nuts got out of there the next morning, your aholes would be so red, that you would not be able to sit on the toilet for a week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udzymvKOyCY&feature=related
Life 2: Your comments diminish you. Your lack of comprehension and critical thinking defines you. You have your opinion, it just isn't worth much based on reason. In my humble opinion, you're a smidgen away from a strait jacket.
Alimony. You are almost as dumb as the people who donate to churches each week. If anyone belongs in a straight jacket, it is your right wing nuts that want to control women's rights, want vaginal ultasounds performed on them, want to ban condoms because all male sperm must be used to create babies, and have biblical fairy tale Creationism taught in all schools. Plus you have the cracked teanut Ron (Puke) Paul who thinks that all Islamics are good people that we made bad.
You and the people that you follow, are the ones that belong in straight jackets.
Your dumb comments, just show what kind of idiots are in the repuke party. I am wondering if your local priest got to you as a young boy and you are still showing the after effects of it.
Your humble opinion is an opinion of a true dunce.
kill 'em all Israel! let God sort 'em out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is never reported is how many people are killed or injured by the bullets the masked terrorists shoot into the air, since they always have to come down somewhere. Why do the terrorists always mask themselves? It is because they are too cowardly to stand up for what they believe and rely on anonymity to perpetrate these terrorist acts without being caught.
I don't know what you mean by "masked terrorists," and "terrorist acts." Actually the word "terrorist" is a political term. The only significance of the term is to indicate which side you are on.
Before 1948 and Israel's founding, the Zionists were the "terrorists." During the 1944 attacks against the British Mandate of Palestine by armed Zionist gangs, Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun Zvei Leumi, ordered his gang not to attack military targets, lest the Irgun be accused by other Jews of hampering the British war effort against Germany. Instead, Begin and his thugs blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing 93 mostly women and children dependents of British personnel administering the Mandate. [Brenner, Lenni, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, p. 246]
Menachem Begin was later rewarded for his killing of innocent civilians by becoming prime minister of Israel.
Also, doesn't Israel's Mossad solicit the passports of hardline Zionists who are citizens of the US, Canada, Ireland and elsewhere, who willingly hand them over (illegally) so that Mossad agents can travel under false identities to carry out death squad operations worldwide? Isn't that hiding behind masks?
LM, the King David Hotel was the British government headquarters at the time. The Jews called in an advance warning, probably following the advice of their mentors in the IRA. And as for the Mossad getting Zionists' passports...first I've heard of it. But then, I have long been wondering why, if the Mossad is so ruthless, brilliant and powerful, people like you keep trying to piss them off.
Redherring- do you know any history at all? Read Pax Romana in Latin; Ottoman Empire;WWI (one), British Mandate for Palestine and who were the people? 75% from Palestine went to Transjordan- today's Jordan; the 25% people were Jews (Hebrews),Arabs from Maghbred and Yemen,Armenians, Christians etc. So Hebrews were Palestinians. When it comes to Islam- Islam is from Old and New Testament, Persian beliefs and other by-the-mouth-myths. By implying that Israelis are committing ethnic cleansing and 'genocide' by defending themselves from the terrorists- ignorance is not a bliss- it is a scourge.
No one uses the word "terrorist" more frequently or aggressively than Zionist Jews, when prior to 1948 the Zionists were the "terrorists" in Palestine:
"The Zionists anticipate the almost total dispossession of the non-Jewish population from Palestine in the near future." --- A group of leading American Zionists to President Woodrow Wilson's King-Cross Commission, 1919.
"Is this the dream of the return to Zion, that we should pollute its soil with the spilling of innocent blood?" --- Ahad Ha'am, Jewish scholar and writer, in a letter to the editor of Haaretz, 1922.
"A Jewish home in Palestine built upon bayonets and oppression is not worth having." --- Rabbi Judah Magnes, letter to Chaim Weizmann, 1929.
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian." --- Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, 1969.
And there is this from after Israel's founding in 1948:
"I have no doubt that civilians deserve punishment." --- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, addressing the Knesset during Israel's invasion of Lebanon, 1982.
Actually, the land of Palestine has been densely populated since pre-historic times. No one ethnic group, sect, clan, tribe, militia, nationality or religious faith has an exclusive claim to the land of Palestine.
"Palestine" was the name given to the entire territory that includes Israel.
I don't care what happens in the middle east. I don't care if they shoot each other, or nuke each other. Makes absolutely no difference to me.
I just don't want ONE cent of my taxpayer dollars going to that sandy cesspool. The middle east has extremely wealthy brats in charge who will never get along. Those worthless countries over there have been some of the biggest money pits the world has ever seen. Hey, they have oil? Let's just dump billions and trillions of dollars on the Saudis. Hey, they have the only democracy in the cesspool and were almost killed off by the Germans 70 years ago? Let's dump billions of dollars on the Israelis because, well, I guess they deserve it? I guess? Does this make sense to you?
America is broke. We don't need to be involved in g-i-v-i-n-g a country over there hundreds of millions of dollars for an "iron dome" or whatever they like to call it. And, we don't need to be involved in any more middle east wars. Period. Enough of our young soldiers have died over there because the rich brats in charge in the middle east won't dare send their very well educated kids to fight. Hey, why should they soil their hands when young American soldiers are so expendable?
Enough middle east madness. Let's really try to be more energy independent and stop sending boatloads of money and even more valuable soldiers over there.
The majority of that cesspool fills the gas tank in your car.
gaza was not won in a fair fight it was taken by deplomicy and western intervention. and iseral should go in and take it back and kill or run off every pal. in it ,let araiba give them some land or jordon or.. syria or any one of there bro. that want them to live. God told iserals forfathers to kill mevery one on the land and they did not and this is iserals pay back for not doing it but it is not to late to do as God said. If iseral wants to survive they need to take out pal. and iran ans syria and any one else that wants them destroyed,if not the proficy of the bible will be carried out on them. O by the way no one in modern histroy has defeated iseral in a fair fight.(they are Gods chosen people)
You are a dangerous person. I hope you are under some kind of adult supervision. Maybe God is telling the Pals to fight Israel? How do you know he didn't? Don't answer that, I'm sure you talk to God all the time and he answers you. I'm sure of that.
First of all God had nothing to with it, and certainly his fictitious son had nothing to do it with it. Israel never won in a fair fight? No country came to help them when they were fighting 4 or 5 Islamic countries at a time. You sound more like a radical Islamic nut that is a plant here. NUKE IRAN destroy radical Islam. Cut off the head of the snake that wants to take over the world. You sound like the Red Guard only gave you an introductory course in English.
Life2- you sound like an Israeli plant that just wants more boatloads of US taxpayer dollars.
LIfe2 is not a plant, nor am I.
While we have some disagreements we both know what needs to be done, and so does the US Government and Israel.
You can whine all you want, but Iran is going to be stopped, and it will start with Israel and finish with US help.
And the Palestinians will remain in their "open air prison" until they grow some balls and kick out Hamas.
Actually, Miers, the Hezbollah militia of Lebanese citizen-soldiers that was founded in 1982 in direct response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon that year, fought Israel to a standstill when the Zionist state and its vaunted military machine tried again to attack Lebanon in 2005. It was a major bloody nose defeat for Israel, which is now ranked as the most militarized, weaponized nation on earth, and the world's number six military superpower. [Jane's Inteligence Review]
And it was recognized as a defeat for Israel throughout the Arab and Muslim world. That's why Israel attacked Gaza in 2008, to reassert its military hegemony over that same Arab and Muslim world.
Israel suffered a major defeat in 2005 and it never made the papers? Must have been a busy news day.
Looking back at Jewish history one is impressed with their ability to
alienate host countries unfortunate enough to have them living there.
During WW II an despite their propaganda about persecution, European
and Balkan countries refused to have them despite expatriation efforts by the
German government.
Their current bloody and criminal attacks against Palestine (not to mention
Syria,Irag and Lebonan) clearly reflects the psychotic nature of the Jewish
soul who after starting the '67 war and invading Palestine, murdering
and raping its victims can stand back and boldly claiming their understandable
resistance is aggression.
Its only the nut-case religious right in the U S and its thoroughly
corrupt congress that financially supports the Isreal state and our
our sorry excuse for news media that gives it all its twisted sense of propriety.
Dear John.
You have no idea what you speak of, but I am impressed with your talent for telling tales.
John: PLEASE, take your meds. And learn to spell the names of the countries in your rant.
You actually think Israel started the '67 war? Try reading a history book, and if you can't read, Google it, moron.
Yes we do need to help Israel as they are a democracy that helps us. By working with Mossad, the Israelis have delayed Iran's nuclear bomb production by a few years. No, we are not sending soldiers there unless of course, John McCain and other warmongering right wing radical cracked teanuts have their way. Bush Bin Lyin and his criminal gang that starts phoney wars are long gone. America is not broke, corporations have more cash on hand that ever in history. You have been brainwashed by Fox Lies. Why do think that there was no complaints when Nut Gingerhead wants to spend 2 trillion dollars on a moon colony on a dead, unliveable planet with no atmosphere. When the repukes want to spend money, you never hear that our future children will have to foot the bill.
"We" don't "need" to do anything over there. Keep my tax money home, we need it more than they do!!
Why do we continue to be duped into sending our money over there? We are broke!! We don't even have an "iron dome".
Why pay taxes. Lyin Willard, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader and bankrupter hides most of his taxable money in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland. This is another criminal repuke that belongs in jail, not running for president. After Bush Bin Lyin and his criminal gang-led by President Cheney, thopefully another right wing criminal does not get in. Every repuke idiot rhat is running wants to help Israel also, that is about the only thing that want to do which is not obstructionist.
How are we broke when corporations have more cash on hand than ever and Nut Gingerfhead wants to build a 2 trillion moon colony on a dead planet with no atmosphere and very little, if any, water.