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Subscribe to RSSKABUL, Afghanistan -- Five Taliban detainees held at the Guantanamo Bay military prison have agreed to be transferred to Qatar, a move Afghanistan believes will boost a nascent peace process, President Hamid Karzai's spokesman said on Saturday.
The transfer idea is part of U.S. efforts to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table to avoid prolonged instability in Afghanistan after foreign combat troops leave the country at the end of 2014.
"We are hopeful this will be a positive step towards peace efforts," Karzai's spokesman Aimal Faizi told Reuters, adding the Taliban detainees would be re-united with their families in Qatar if the transfer takes place.
The Afghan government says President Hamid Karzai will hold talks with the Taliban in the hopes of starting a peace process. NBC's Atia Abawi reports from Kabul, Afghanistan.
It would be one of a series of good-faith measures that could set in motion the first substantial political negotiations on the conflict in Afghanistan since the Taliban government was toppled in 2001 in a U.S.-led invasion.
A year after it was unveiled, the Obama administration's peace initiative may soon offer the United States a historic opportunity to broker an end to a war that began as the response to the September 11, 2001, al-Qaida attacks on the United States.
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But the peace drive also presents risks for President Barack Obama.
He faces the potential for political fallout months before a presidential election, as his government considers backing an arrangement that would give some degree of power to the Taliban, known for their brutality and extreme interpretation of Islam.
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Despite months of covert diplomacy, it remains unclear whether the prisoner transfer will go ahead.
Doubts are growing about whether the Taliban leadership is willing to weather possible opposition from junior and more hard-core members who appear to oppose negotiations.
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Karzai's top aide, Ibrahim Spinzada, visited the Guantanamo facility this week to secure approval from the five Taliban prisoners to be moved to Qatar.
Karzai's government has demanded the five former senior members of the Taliban government, held at Guantanamo Bay for a decade, give their consent before they are transferred to the small Gulf state where they would be under Qatar's custody.
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President Obama's one-year deadline to close the facility has long passed as shutting it down has proven complicated and controversial.
U.S. officials hope the peace initiative will gain enough traction to enable Obama to announce the establishment of full-fledged political talks between the Karzai government and the Taliban at a NATO summit in May.
That would mark a major victory for the White House and might ease some of the anxiety created by NATO nations' plans to gradually pull out most of their troops by the end of 2014, leaving an inexperienced Afghan military and fragile government to face a still-formidable insurgency.
The Taliban detainees are seen by some U.S. officials as among the most dangerous inmates at Guantanamo.
Their possible transfer has drawn attack from U.S. politicians from both parties even before the administration formally begins a required congressional notification process.
Among the prisoners who may be sent to Qatar is Mohammed Fazl, a "high-risk" detainee alleged to be responsible for the killing of thousands of minority Shiite Muslims between 1998 and 2001.
The Economist's Lucy Morgan Edwards, author of "The New Afghan Solution: The Inside Story of Abdul Haq, the CIA and How Western Hubris Lost Afghanistan" talks about the recent announcement to end U.S. combat in Afghanistan next year.
They also include Noorullah Noori, a former senior military commander; Abdul Haq Wasiq, a former deputy intelligence minister; and Khairullah Khairkhwa, a former interior minister.
Karzai has complained the United States has repeatedly sidelined his government in a process that is supposed to be "Afghan-led" after it emerged that U.S. officials had established contacts with the Taliban in Qatar.
But his worries seem to have eased, and there are signs that the Kabul government is prepared to extend greater support to the Qatar process, even though it wants Saudi Arabia and Turkey to facilitate talks as well.
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THe US is simply making room for Americans at Gitmo
My only question is why is Ben Kingsley's video still with the pointy black hat on, part of this story?
Didn't someone promise to close Gitmo a while back .... ??
Taking them prisoner and telling everyone they did was the mistake.. If they capture them they should interrogate them then shoot the uncooperative ones first.. This amounts to slapping the service men and women who risked life and limb to capture these fruit cakes.. Guess the new rules of engagement need to include the order that any of the combatants that are caught should be released and sent home at once.. It would save all the hassle down the road and let them get back to killing our troops faster..
Obama has put the Taliban in thec proverbial "Catbird Seat" by announcing the date when we will give up and go home. The Taliban know that all they have to do is wait us out, and they will do just that.
Any 'promises' that the Taliban make will be worthless, but Obama is desparately looking for anything to help him get reelected.
bigbenalaska: Republicans and conservative Democrats in Congress, specifically the House and with its provisions, blocked any changes in our policy there. If you want to place blame, place it with them.
That's from the minutes of just one of the hearings on Gitmo.
Roy Wilson: Your usual attempts at blaming Obama always fail, so I guess you're back. Can you please explain to us how we will win there, what victory is, how we're going to keep paying for it, how we're going to clean up the hopelessly corrupt Karzai administration, or stop the flow of fighters and weapons from Pakistan.
yakfitguy: . . . and why any more of OUR troops should die in this quagmire.
Agreed Deborah. So many lives lost. Americans, Canadians, British, Dutch, French, etc....not to mention the Afghans and Iraqis. Hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed. For what?
I'll tell you yakfitguy, "So many lives lost. Americans, Canadians, British, Dutch, French, etc....not to mention the Afghans and Iraqis. Hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed. For what?"
War Profits for Halliburton, the Oil Barons, Blackwater, and every other corporate entity owned or associated with Bush & Cheney, no care for how much blood it cost, so long as they made money off war raking in billions while countless drowned in sweat, tears, blood, flesh, etc. This is what happens when war profits are legal and privately/politician owned contractors replace manufacturers commandeered for war production by the state during times of war, the latter done in WW2, anything that could war produce was commandeered by the govt and not allowed private ownership for the duration of the war, to reduce the chance of or prevent war profiteering. When they say "Make the world safe for democracy" it really means "Make the world safe for war profits."
Nah. They'll just assassinate the US citizens with the drones we will have flying around right here at home. AG Holder already wrote the legal argument and that's all Obama needs, right? Don't worry we won't hear any of the gory details from our compliant and ethically flexible MSM.
We are our own worse enemies if we think that we can ever negotiate with the Taliban. This will only come back to haunt us.
I agree "BIG TIME". Obamanation, his ILLEGAL CZARS, and maybe even War-Hero John McCain are
insane to think the Taliban will agree and keep their word.. GET OUT OF EVERYPLACE NOW!
Bring our "NATIONAL GUARD' home to Protect and rebuild OUR country...God Bless Anerica AGAIN !
jimbo
What "ILLEGAL CZARS"?
"Czar" is media lingo, not an official title. But our research shows that George Bush’s administration had more "czars" than the Obama administration.
http://factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/
What ever happened to the policy that we do not negotiate with terrorists. Does Obama really think that the Taliban can be trusted to keep any agreements they make. They believe that it is perfectly acceptable to lie to the "infidels" to advance their goals. A soon as we pull out of Afghanistan the country will fall into total chaos. Even now the Karzai government has only limited control within the capitol city of Kabul. Outside of Kabul the Karzai government has virtually no control at all. Most of the country is controlled by various tribal leaders and warlords, not the central government. Once we pull out, the current government will collapse completely and there will be a period of anarchy until the Taliban gets organized and either bribes or uses force to get enough of the warlords and tribal chiefs to submit to their rule. Within a year of our pulling out, or two at the most, Afghanistan will be right back to where it was when this all started in 2001.
5 more eventually back on the front Lines....
Hummmmmmmmmmmmm ... If Five are let go, they all should go... Gitmo is a disgrace to the whole concept of American justice!
Unfortunately, these prisoners are leaving for the wrong reason .... IF they had been released to show our commitment to American constitutional justice ..it would have been right; BUT to facilitate the Karzi government to negotiate a peace with the Taliban is not!
This is a terribly bad precedent .. and we will pay dearly for it in the future!
It will only come back to haunt us if we remain in Afghanistan. It should be obvious that the Taliban will be a significant if not the dominant force in ruling the country when we finally decide to leave and there's nothing we can do about it.
No response, Jimbo?
Five terrorists sent for repatriation to Qatar "for the cause of peace negotiations".
Watch for an article in about a week saying they have rejoined "their terrorist brothers" or have been killed by a drone missile.
Wait a minute.....send them to a court in the U.S., provide a quick court proceeding, then close Gitmo.
Hey, what happened to Mr. Obama's famous campaign promise to close Gitmo ?
Maybe if Mr. Obama would release the rest of the prisoners, then he could close Gitmo because there are NO MORE prisoners at the facility.
Wow, another reason this Democrat will NOT VOTE for Mr. Oblama even though he said "I deserve to be re-elected."
flnobody
Yes, there have been "czars" appointed by Presidents for a long time. But, previously, those czars were only used in an ADVISORY capacity.
Obama has been investing his czars with the AUTHORITY to make and implement POLICY. That power is SUPPOSED to be reserved for appointees that have been confirmed by the Senate. You know, that pesky 'advise and consent' clause in the Constitution that Obama has repeatedly violated.
THAT is what makes some of Obama's czars ILLEGAL.
I wonder why the guards in that picture are wearing blue latex gloves. Do they think the Taliban have cooties? :)
No, he hasn't. BTW, posting in bold doesn't make your post make any nore sense.
We did not go to war in Afghanistan against the Taliban. We went to Afghanistan to root out Al Qaeda. Having now killed most of the top Al Qaeda leadership, is it not worth while to experiment with negotiated solutions? Ultimately, the country belongs to the Afghan people, to either make work or screw it up. If this fails, it is only five men. The opportunity may be good to let the current Afghan government develop a workable solution. If it doesn't work, nobody over there can say we didn't try. Who cares if the Taliban remain in some kind of power coalition? So long as they don't start another war on the USA or bomb our embassies. If they do, then we will take them out.
foolishness
Who? What new position did he make?
I don't want you're a@s hurting anymore then it already does. So please provide a link to it. To your statement not you're a@s!
I feel for the women of Afghanistan! Only men benefit from making peace with the Taliban and only men would come up with such an idea.
the beast likes to let 5 talibans out of gitmo. he may want them at the whitehouse. to support him, since i for one will not support him.
Roy Wilson-336103
I agree Obama is looking for anything that he thinks will get him re-elected. BUT, this won't do it. What happened to the US does not negotiate with Terrorists? Putting the enemy back in thier homeland is not the way to get votes of real Americans. Only traitors would vote for him if he does this.
Apparentaly we do negotiate with terrorists
Seriously, people? There have been behind-the-scenes negotiations going on with enemies, terrorists, whatever since the beginning of time.
Helga: If you are speaking of our president, please refer to him as President Obama. Perhaps he doesn't want the support of someone like you.
Hmmm .... Obama is going to relocate 5 terrorists out of 171, three and a half years after he became president. Yep, that will bring them running to the negotiating table.
These are all high ranking killers who if not convicted and shot in this guest country will surely escape and go right back to their Jihad full of death and oppression..
Wait, in November '07, I was pretty sure that Guantanamo Bay was right about to close. That was the information I took with me to the voting booth.
That's the bad thing about "capturing" someone, eventually you have to do something with them. I say a simple prisoner exchange, as have typically been done in most wars. We give them their leaders that have already given up any information that they are going to, in exchange for the people that killed the two military officers. Another option would be to release all of them, electronic tag them, then drone strike their locations in about a month once they are settled back in. We release them upon a public announcement calling an end to the insurgent attacks and the siging of a peace agreement. You have to get something back, or they will spin it as a victory. If not, just keep them tell they rot.
The Obama administration need to be locked up at Gitmo.
well put
I think that everyone who supports the idea of Gitmo belongs as a prisoner there -- but only after a fair trial. This indefinite detention without trial makes a mockery of what this nation once stood for.
Pvblivs
So, what do you think about this administration sanctioning the killing of American Citizens without trial? These are not citizens and they are enemies.
Or is it just that anything Obama doers you think is cool?
What ever happened to not negotiating with Terrorists,PERIOD !!!!!!!!
Wouldn't we have to eliminate Congress?
Ask Ronald Reagan. We have always negotiated with terrorists or even sponsored them when it is deemed to be politically expedient.
Hell, Reagan pioneered the art of cutting and running away from terrorists.
Reagan also had no problem with financing them.
redphish,
You are absolutely right. And that's why Iran released our embassy hostages the day after Jimmy Carter left office.
Not so on Iran, The Hostages in Iran were OUT OF IRANIAN airspace, during Reagans swearing in, As he promised that the instant he was sworn in , if the hostages were in Iran, Iran would have been attacked on a grand scale. He was not bluffing either. And the idiots in Iran knew it.
I guess we sent them weapons and other military hardware soon thereafter out to the goodness of our hearts. I wasn't thinking about Iran specifically in my previous comment. I was talking about his financial support of the Contras in Nicaragua and governments like those in Panama and Chile.
We sent arms to Iran during the Shah's tenure....not the Ayatollah. Regime change wasnt in the program but happens from time to time.
We did supply weapons to Iran while Reagan was president. The Shah was booted out before Reagan was elected. You do the math.
Toasty McGrath
You have the right premise, the wrong name. You know that extinction belongs solely to Obama!! Appologize to the enemy, give them back their terrorist buddies, wait for Iran to finish thier nuclear bomb, what else does he need to do to show blind people he is not fit for the Whitehouse. This story is very misleading. There was a story days ago about Obama's secret negotiations with the Taliban and this has to be one of their demands. Disgusting is the mildest word I can put to it.
Name one apology, SMH. Go ahead. And then you can explain how Obama is soft on terror. Unless by "giving them back" you meant "giving Osama Bin Laden a free bullet..."
redphish
Your talking about Iran/Contra where the CIA sold weapons covertly to Iran to support the Contra rebels in Nicaragua. That was the scandal that put Oliver North on the radar. The weapons sold to Iran, were to support them against Saddam Hussein whom we were openly supplying against our enemy Iran.( yes it does actually make sense. Iran and Iraq were fighting an evenly matched war for years because we were feeding weapons to both sides.) The whole idea was to let those two adversaries beat each other to death while we and other countries profited from their fight. The Contras at the time were considered freedom fighters and a preferable choice to the regime in power in Nicaragua. So in essence the CIA came up with a way to back freedom fighters with cash earned from an enemy, that we were using to beat down a threat without it costing the tax payers a dime. To bad they got caught. Maybe there would not have been a need for the Iraq war, or all the BS we are hearing from Iran over their nuclear arms program. Billions might have been saved and Iran could have helped pay for their own destruction.
Typical, obama supporters tend to always refer to someone 20 yrs agoto blame. If obama is to be a leader (clearly no leadership skills or governing experience as evidenced of the last 3 yrs), then a leader accepts the responsibility for failures, not just success. Seems to make the rules up as he goes and ignore the steps of government. If he doesn't like the answer, he does it anyway.
Oh, spare me, ghost67, Republicans were still blaming Clinton ~ who balanced the budget, that's right, zero deficit when he left office ~ for Bush's problems three years into W's SECOND term. The double standards you guys have are incredible.
Where was the outrage on the Afghanistan quagmire and its lack of clear mission, and fiscal responsibility, during Bush's EIGHT YEARS in office? You were a pipsqueak with a gag order even on the squeaking. Which you dutifully obeyed.
Me, I'm PISSED at Obama for not closing Gitmo like he promised he would. Unlike yourself, I don't route for a president because he's my quarterback and route against him because he's not. I'm mad at the guy I voted for. Why aren't Republicans livid at the lies they were fed by Bush & Cheney (who you voted for) that made such a mess of the world???????? Where's the outrage? Keep blaming the other quarterback. As the world burns.
agreed bicfj
"I'm glad Iraq was such a success.
Thanks George. -- Thanks Dick. -- Thanks Rummy. -- Thanks Wolfie."
Or as I say it, Thanks Bu@!$%# -- Thanks Dickhead -- Thanks Dummy -- Thanks Big Bad Wolf."
Frankly, With our increasing hunt and kill efforts with drones and special ops -- We should let them all go over a modestly short time frame and track the to their holes, if they restart their bad habits with their buddies - pop.. I retired from military recently and have seen enough of most of the last ten years and the waste - The shift in the last 2-3 years on hunt and kill and increased use of drones/special ops on those we "reasonably know are bad guys and threats" works and should increase wherever we have can get a sight on the bad guys. We need to get our folks out of the peace keeping , nation building business -- not working............We can grow the capability and be even better at hunt and kill the bad actors that are threats and get out of situations with large volumes of troops that are a risk doing activities that are not as effective as the new strategy...
Stoney: Thank you for your military service. Hope you enjoy your retirement. I agree with your comments; you're absolutely correct that we have no business "nation building," and that it seldom works. But do you think that your hunt and kill idea (instead of thousands of troops) would ever happen? Iraq was a very unsuccessful war-for-oil that benefitted many, many American companies and their CEOs. How would the hunt and kill process make money for the real force behind our wars?
This is a tough one...releasing terrorists, but if it's to be done, for whatever reasons, then we need something in return. Getting captured serviceman Bowe Bergdahl, a POW since June, 2009, released is a good start. As the general public, we will never understand or know all the ins and outs of these negotiations. What I DO know is that it's time to get Bowe home! Then....let's get out of all this s@#t and work on our domestic problems. The effort is not worth the results over there.
Once again the American haters are out in force. Oh, and lets not forget those that are so uninformed that they spout out anything they think sounds good! If you know nothing about the subject, dont say anything! It is moronic to agree with someone who dont know what he is talking about, than to find out for yourself! This transfer will probably, (probably) do no good. The tallywackers are never going to recognise the Karzid government! NEVER! They could possibly play along for something greater down the line tho? Who knows when you're dealing with people who have sand for brains??? I will adopt the wait and see attitude. I wont hold my breath!
this is obamas way of setting the murders free somthing will hapen more americans will be killed they will escape and the blood of more american solders will be on obamas hands and he is just loving it and will prob. appl. to the mus. if any of them get a broken finger nail. We can not trust karzai he is a back staber and obama knows that and dont care he is helping his brothers and they are his brothers they have the same blood in there vanes and blood is thicker than water.
Is this a smaller release than the 500 that were released years ago and no case revue on them?
Apologize for burning a book! Provide freedom to those in the Group responsible for killing civilian Americans!Taking over my health care! Being detrimental to our economic recovery through taxation! ( Yes Occupy Idiots the wealthy do control things, they also provide you with Jobs)
Everyday that Obama is in office, the Constitution, and the American Idea slips further and further away!
MO
WOW mo! You sure do have a short selective memory. You lost your constitutional rights ten years ago.
No argument there either.Your Right. And its getting worse. Enough is enough. By your statement I am guessing your a Democrat. So in order to save the political party battle. I dislike our Republicans and Democrats equally. :)
And yet while you haven't lost any constitutional rights under Obama, you still try to equate them. Saying you "hate republicans and democrats the same" doesn't make you an independent or moderate, it just makes you look like you want us to THINK you are.
we have lost way to much under odumbo
Well Toasty,
We certainly know what you are....
TOASTY if your gonna use quote marks, make sure your quoting what is actually said or in this case typed.
HATE is a strong word that is used to much. I dislike (you can quote that bye the way) Caps in case you miss it DISLIKE.
As far as which party I belong to or consider myself to belong to is really non of them. Fact is I vote for whomever I think will give us the best chance for success.My Opinion, part of the problem is the two party system. If only life were so simple to have either black or white decisions about everything. Their is no way most people in this country either fundamentally agree with Democrats or Republicans. Unfortunately Independent Parties really don't have a chance at this time in our History.
Look, if all you're going to do is try to change the subject, you have no business discussing this issue with the grown-ups.
MO JO: President Obama's "apology" for the inadvertent burning of the Qur'an was a necessary evil. It was done to stop the protesting masses from killing any more of our troops over this issue (which seems to have worked). Incredible that none of those masses were interested in protesting their people flying planes into our buildings, but that's the way it is. What would really keep our troops safe in these places is to bring them home.
Who is taking over your health care? The change is that everyone will have health INSURANCE, so that I won't have to pay (thru MY taxes) for you when you show up at the emergency room w/ no insurance.
Not sure I understand " . . . Being detrimental to our economic recovery through taxation!" What does that mean?
It's true that wealthy business owners provide jobs . . . sometimes. HOWEVER, every time taxes have been lowered on the wealthiest Americans, our economy has suffered, unemployment has increased and jobs have gone overseas and the dwindling middle class has deteriorated further. Where were the jobs when Pres. Bush lowered taxes for the wealthy? Oh, that's right -- unemployment sky-rocketed. Is it seriously okay with you that YOU will pay more taxes because the rich don't pay their fair share?
Please list the Constitutional rights that you have lost under this president. Do some reading to discover the rights that President Bush's "Patriot Act" took from all of us.
Oh, really? The Constitution that says Freedom of Religion? The nation founded on Free Speech? The nation who's supposed to be "liberating" civilians from the terrorists? It's against THAT Constitution and against THOSE principles to apologize for the willful burning of a country's holy book in their own country? Full knowing that the insult puts American troops there at risk, and fans anti-American sentiment globally? Going against all the cultural inroads our generals have tried so hard to make? How irresponsible for the Commander In Chief NOT to apologize.
I don't know which country YOU live in, MOJO, but your ideals aren't mine and they're not those of the America I know. The American I know doesn't start wars, and doesn't torture, and its Constitution states that ALL people are created equal with unalienable rights.
MO JO-4260637
Here is a revamp of an old law to make it easier to arrest protesters of the government signed this week and is now a federal crime even if you are unaware of the law.
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20120309065244685
Obama, Obama, Obama, christ the reason most of these prisoners are in Gitmo is because George Bush and his Republican't pals offered a reward to anyone turning their brother-in-law in for being a terrorist . Without trials I wonder how many of these scary prisoners are even guilty? My guess is many of them are totally innocent, but we will never know because they have been denied due process of law. Now we are hearing Nuthead Yahoo, prime minister of Israel shooting his mouth off and trying to drag the US into another war with Iran this time. Israel reminds me of the little weasel punk in the group that threaten everyone and expect his tougher buddies to protect him when push come to shove. How long do you chicken hawks want to keep killing our young people in these useless wars that accomplish nothing? Wake up!!
Bush released over 500 of them without a case revue on any of them.
I think the 187 civilians killed by air strikes is very suspect! We (U.S.) still claim the Iraq Occupation killed only 78,000 civilians. That number is much higher in reality, as high as over 1,000,000 killed by some independent accounts. http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq The truth is very hard for us to admit too in so many areas. I agree that Obama is detrimental to America, but not for his policies which have been largely a reflection of Republican policies. In fact, he has made a better Republican president than Mr. Bush! Within that sarcasm is much truth if people will look at what Obama is doing to our individual rights within the U.S. Constitution. So many on here don't seem to have a clue as to the "real" damage Obama is doing to this country. http://rt.com/usa/news/trespass-bill-obama-secret-227/ Please, American people look at everything, not just what you want to see. Thank you, Paul Hester
When we engage these Islamic bastards on our soil I guarantee there will be no prisoners to worry about for as long as I'm able to defend my freedoms.
wish more thought like you,
I think most of us have better things to do than sit around and worry about an Islamic country invading the US.
Hey Red...
They already have invaded, just did it covertly.
Yeah, the whole Muslim scheme to convert the US to Islam and impose sharia law and so on and so forth. Go hide under your bed and the rest of us will carry on with real life.
I'm not hiding, unlike you in your denial of the facts. If you don't comprehend what's taking place, it just proves you're as "smart" as your Islamic denier postings.
Check out what's happening in Paterson, Minneapolis, Detroit and then see if you feel the same way.
I simply prefer to look around and make decisions based in reality. There are blacks that want to make a black nation inside the US. There are whites that want to kick all of the blacks out. There are Christians that want to turn our government into a theocracy and yes there are some Muslims that want to take over the country but none of that is going to happen unless the majority of Americans want those things to happen.
Clearly you do not live in an area populated by Muslims...they are "breeders"...each family consisting of 6-8 children, who will have 6-8 children, etc. Then they vote AS A BLOCK and elect officials who are either one of them or cater to them.
It may not happen today or tomorrow but it is happening and when educated (and you are obviously educated) people finally realize what is taking place, it will be too late.
How sad to see a , so called, "Christian and democratic" nation doing things that promised never to do, for either good or evil purposes, but never for true Christian nor democratic purposes. How many times the government says: We don't negotiate with terrorists and the facts of life contradict us at every turn in this maze of deceptions.
The oldest one I remember was the Iran-Contra affair. The next one, the negotiations with the inusrgency not to attack our "brave heroes" and the check is in the mail. The other one is the at hand. Supposedly, we were dead set against having any contact with terrorists, but once they saw our "heroes" couldn't defeat the rag time army, they folded and how conveniently, around election time. It's was reported by the media, now, but it has been well known around top brass military circles that they have known for long time the "war on terrorism" sounds macho, macho, but in reality is an effort in futility and it takes over a decade, as with the Viet Nam, that all along has been a horrendous mistake. Records proved that Robert McNamara had said, of course it wasn't known then, but upon his death, that the Viet Nam had been a big mistake from almost day one, not that he cared to shared what he really thought at that time. Ditto here, but with a tad difference, it has become the longest waste of men and resources ever and when we least we can afforded: in the middle of an economical tsunami, or if you prefer, a second great depression. War, any war, except a defensive war, should be as a last resort and only to defend the country. Too many innocent civilians killed for trivia pursuit reasons or for oil, natural resources. No other country in the world can manipulate evil and good as we can. We have beaten the Nazis at their own game of deception. During their time, the whole world knew what genocide was and who the perpetrators were and the world did something about it. Now, no such luck. If we commit genocide, then it's O.K., have black boxes, gulags, torture 24/7, crimes against humanity, war crimes and the rest of the criminal enchilada and then it must be O.K. because we are now the only power and the monkey knows which tree to climb and better not try to climb the tree of evil and the rest of the world refuses to bell this criminal a la carte cat. Oh, hypocrisy, how I love thee, let me count the ways. Why do still have prisoners there, I don't understand, specially, since the media, the retard pervert, and his puppeteer, Mr Deferment knew from day one that 95% of all prisoners were innocent as claimed by the Red Cross from day one. If any prisoners were guilty, they have paid dearly for whatever they did. A true democracy doesn't behave like the worst tyrannies in the world, it should be more like Norway, were justice and libery for all is not just slogan.
The Nazis, Viet Nam, McNamara...why not dwell on the crusades also? Maybe go back to Roman times.
I guess if the Red Cross says it, it must be gospel....
I hate to tell you, but you have to change your stupid alias, it doesn't concur with reality, logic, ergo, let me give you an idea and change it to I can't handle the truth, it's more appropriate and a thousand times more logical, although, I'm not even sure that you understand what logic even is. For starters, when you say something, you are supposed to offer facts, and if you think that using black boxes, etc is going back to the cruzades, then you really make my point, but are too stupid to even realize it how stupid you are. If I'm talking genocide, then the best example has to be the Nazis and if those crimes were genocide, why ours don't qualify the definition? I could have gone back to the pilgrims, but that, I'm sure would have caused you to go bunkers and we already have to many rage driven Jared Loughners out thereto give you any ideas, but, I understand, you can't handle the truth and there is something else that you might not know about yourself and I hate to be the first one to tell you, but you obviously don't have upstairs whatever you think you have, but a bunch of hot air. Let me quote Mr. T: I pity the fool! and I say, I second that motion. The ayes have it. Resolution passed by unanimity. Logic4u doesn't make sense, ergo, he is not what he proclaims to be, in other words, he is a liar, a possible tea partier and since one thing leads to the other, he must be also a racist to the core. All tea partiers are. My condolescences.
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Negotiating with terrorists? Wonder how that will work out? BAD!!!!!
Once again it just shows we are wasting our soldiers lives for nothing stupid politicians and military of our country. Please quit supporting defense contractors they are rich enough and the money should be used for our internal problems.
That dam country over there wants the talibashers to run it and it's present gov't is worthless. Both presidents, cheney, all congress and generals should be ashamed of theirselves for getting us into this mess. Screw the defense contractors and the former vp for wasting our soldiers lives for money.
I still believe we should try them or release them. If guilty of war crimes, then life in prison with no parole or execution. They should go into our civilian prisons if guilty of war crimes. If released a tracking chip should be inserted into every skull. If they go back into terrorism, use the tracking chip as a homing beacon for a missile. Then get our kids out of that hellhole and leave them be if they just kill each other. If they have larger aspirations, use VERY LARGE missiles, no more wasting our children's lives or any more money than the missiles costs.
Most of you people need to look up the definition of terrorist in the dictionary. Maybe some of these guys fit the definition, maybe not. But classifying the "Taliban" as only terrorists is not correct. Our military knows this, and you should too. I'm sure you would not consider yourself as a terrorist if an invading force was on our soil. I'm not saying we should not have gone to Afganistan, I believe we should have. Al Qaida were the "terrorists" we were hunting. Sure the Taliban gave them a place to operate from, but primarily the Taliban are an Afgan sect (extreme by our standards) that mostly just want us out of their country.
We ought to leave and give the Taliban back their country so they can go back to the 7th century, but first destroy all we built and explain the next time they harbor terrorist there will be one big crater for the country.
Darn they won't get to play soccer on the new million dollar field Obama's henchmen are building.
Always remember he said "... my Muslim faith..." and was corrected by the interviewer " you mean Christian faith".
Good letter to editor Re. the evil Taliban:
Of course President Obama's apology didn't quiet the riots in Afghanistan. It wasn't enough. Of course the Afghans have killed Americans and one Norwegian in retaliation, as well as unnumbered Afghan civilians.
When a religious group gets this upset over four Qurans being slightly scorched, one wonders how outraged they must be when they hear of women's noses being cut off, or Christians being beheaded, or Christian churches being torched.
Read more: Answer to an apology - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review #ixzz1ojZ9mu97
But they've barely had time to use the $750,000 soccer field and 2 of them haven't had coitus with Holder yet.
I sure hope that they Travel FIST CLASS!
I don't want anything to make them Upset?
OBAMA would have to APOLOGIZE !
PS - BUT, IF it doesn't work out we could bring them back under the Taliban Affirmative Action Program !
We set these people free so they can terrorize some more. I certainly don't advocate we detain them indefinitly without charging them but at the same time don't want these detainees freed. Its a no win situation.