I agree with what they want...let's get the hell out of Dodge, and bring our troops home. They don't want us there, we don't want to be there and we should make them happy. Pull out our troops and watch the blood bath take place within two weeks, as the fools fall victim to the military morons, just waiting to start Civil War.

We can set back and watch as they burn the country to the ground with no one to stop it. Why, should we care anyway... this country could never prosper under a democracy unless a full military force was constantly provided for them. NOT OUR JOB KIDS...they either want it, or they want to be subjects and we shouldn't care now.

DS

I could care less what Karzai thinks, the guy is a worthless piece of crap who is widely suspected to be a drug user. That said, I think it is time to just bring all of our troops home. The Karzai government has limited control in the capitol of Kabul and virtually no control anywhere else. In the provinces it is the local warlords and tribal leaders who are running thing, not the central government. Once the US pulls out, the central government will likely collapse completely. It does not matter whether we stay another 6 months or 6 years the end result will be the same. The central government will collapse and there will be a period of chaos until the Taliban again takes over. It will only be a matter of time for the Taliban to get enough of the tribal leaders and local warlords to back them either by bribing them or threatening them. Afterwards, Afghanistan will be right back to where it was when this whole mess started. The only exception will be the lack of the al-Qaeda training camps, although I am sure they will start to reappear before long. It is time for us to just cut our losses and bring our troops home. There is no point in risking any more American lives in this losing battle against the ignorance of the Aghani people. Until the people overcome their ignorance and are ready to throw off repressive religious fanatics they allow to run their lives, nothing in the country will change.

Karzai does not want us there, yet I suspect his remaining President (and alive) depends on US troops being present. Since Karzai does not rail at the Taliban who've killed far more Afghanistanies than US troops ever thought of doing, we ought to pull out and leave him to fend for himself. After all George Bush declared Mission Accomplished in 2003 so why are we still there!

I wish Karzai was at the end of a rope. He is a crook, liar, thief, etc... Hell, come to think of it, he would fit in just fine in Congress. He is a hindrance to NATO and Afghanistan as a whole. Time for his term to run our and for him to go away.

OBAMA....................WHY are we still there.............Is it to avoid criticism from Repubs that we lost the war and you left too soon?????

Leave now and scr>w the pubs

This has been going on for too long. You have heard me before. It is by all means the end of the rope here,"

I coudn't agree more. We have over-extended our stay. NOBODY wants us there, only the GOP...

I can't wait to see what asinine comments Jhon McCAin will say Sunday on "Mett the Press" He is already preparing some BS speech about how "endangered" we are without troops in there. Lindsey Graham will pull some other crap out of his butt to tell us something similar.

Send the GOP to Afghanistan and bring back the Troops!

Afghanistan had the smell of Viet Nam from day one. Of course, neither Bush nor Cheney would know about that having run away from that like the chicken hawks they are. Why not commit our troops to a country that destroys invaders?

More than ten years and thousands of lives later, we are still there. Corruption runs rampant. The Taliban, which in large part owes its existence to the United States, remains a threat.

There MUST be a legitimate reason for our presence there. If so, it is the duty of the current administration to tell us that reason. The Bush Administration could not.

President Obama must provide a defensible justification to continue to put United States troops and civilians in harm's way. Is it to provide a check on Pakistan? Is it to maintain a presence in the region? Is it too cynical to ask whether this is to secure an interest in Afghanistan's resources? What is it?

If there is no satisfactory answer, and by now we most assuredly have a right to demand one, then it is time to leave. No if's, and's, or but's. It's time to go.

Interesting use of words. Karzai at the end of a rope.

We are still in Afghanistan because too many American corporations are making too much money... there was a poster back in the '60s that still applies: "War is good for business, invest your children."

Karzai can swing from a rope as far as I'm concerned.

He's a corrupt president and steals the money that the U.S. and other nations give to Afghanistan for humanitarian purposes. You just know that graft is part of their culture.

And Yes, we should exit that shanty town of a nation as soon as we can. And, we should not leave anything of value with our departure.

Where do you buy that hat that Karzai is wearing?

Is there a loop at the end of that rope. If not maybe there should be.

Maybe we should give him exactly what he wants and we'll see who grabs the other end.

Hope that Mr Karzai realizes he will probably truly be at the end of a rope shortly after America leaves his country, a TALIBAN rope !!!!!!!!

we need to roll out, this is unwinnable

Time to leave, now!!!! This is supposed to be a UN effort so take over. The US has done it's share. It's Vietnam all over.

"Karzai is at the end of his rope"? Good...that worthless, corrupt, muslim scum has been nothing but a liar, cheat and thief and it's all Americans who are " at the end of thier rope". Get all our people out of that worthless country now...stop every dime of the payments and let these muslim cowardly scum live on thier own. And...of course it will be interesting to see how Karzai does when the easy stolen American money is no longer there!

There must be some angle in this for some investors to make money off this failed venture in Afghanland or we wouldn't still be there

What a shame.

Karzai wasn't there to take one of the bullets.

As a Vietnam Vet I fully understand the frustration that led to this.

The shame is that O'Bama doesn't understand ... we don't owe these folks anything. And we'll be seeing them and their Pakistani allies on the battlefield again no matter what we do.

So let our guys come home .... they've done the job they were asked to do.

We must get out of their country and leave them deal with their own problems....

Enough is enough!! it seems all we have been doing recentley to disrespect their Religion, and kill thier civilians.

We're still there because someone, somewhere in this administration actually thinks we can leave behind a stable country which won't allow the Taliban to take over and provide a safe haven for al-Qaeda. That's why we went in and why we've been spending inordinate amounts of money and lives in nation building.

It's time to admit we couldn't do it. The Afghanis are even more backward than they'd looked from the outside. There's no helping them. Like the Soviets before us, we've come to realize Afghanistan isn't a real country at all and we can't govern it like one. We should give up and be ready to bomb any training camps our satellites pick up in the future.

Karzai is both wise and prophetic as I'm certain when we leave the Taliban will have Karzai at the 'end of his rope'. His personal rope. Dedicated to serve just one person, him.

"This has been going on for too long. You have heard me before. It is by all means the end of the rope here,"

The Bush strategy in Iraq was to train the Iraqis to defend themselves, and gradually take over full responsibility - It succeeded (all Obama did was allow the Bush negotiated withdrawal to occur as scheduled).

That should have been our strategy in Afghanistan all along, so why is it taking so long? Our focus should be on three things;

1 - Use drones to track and kill the 'bad guys', keeping most of our troops in bases.

2 - Train Afghani forces to provide their own security.

3 - Withdraw our troops as soon as possible.

rrobeson "Karzai is both wise and prophetic as I'm certain when we leave the Taliban will have Karzai at the 'end of his rope'."

Karzai's not dumb. He already bought a home for himself and his family in England, no doubt using US aid money.

Mr. Panetta said that the Afghan people are tired of war. Do they know anything else ? There has been a war for generations and if Mr. Panetta is trying to imply that American/Nato troop withdrawls (sp?)will bring peace, then he must have been smoking some of that stuff over there. Why would he say such a thing, neither we nor the Afghans believe it. We know that once we withdraw, there will be a massacre and Karzai and his rope will be amongst the first. And after that, it will all be as before : the Taliban will guide them safely back into the middle ages.

The US lost an opportunity during the Afghan presidential election when Karzai lost yet manipulated the vote to win and refused to step down. He's no more than a crook in president's clothing.

We should withdraw troops to base areas and then bring in their troops to train. Put their troops out to do the ground work. Then fly around drones and pound the enemy when they poke their heads up. Jeesh.. sounds like I'm talking about strategy in Vietnam.

We could well-use the money we spend on the corrupt Afghan government and keeping the "peace" over there to get our country back on good economic footing. Let's pull out and let them run their own country however they wish.

Why are our troops still in Afghanistan? It's called the Trans-Afghanistan Oil Pipeline! American soldiers are and have been dying for the last 10 years so that a very few people can pocket billions of dollars.

The shame is that O'Bama doesn't understand

Who sent the troops there? Who had 7 years to get the job done and didn't? Why did we invade Iraq which diverted forces and resources from there? Yea, you know the answer to that, but it's easier to blame Obama. Of course, if he would have just pulled out right after he was elected, you would have called him chicken or Muslim sympathizer. Just keep up the hate and the cheap shots. You only have a little under 5 years left of his administration.

While I have not counted for sure, it seems like the majority of people on newsvine is in favor of getting out of afghanistan, now.

Since I rarely agree with the majority, something seems amiss.

Not a problem President Karzai. We will leave your country. Within weeks you will be out of office or dead at the hands of the Taliban. We will spend not one more penny of the American taxpayers' money to build your country roads, schools, hospitals and protect your sorry ass. Within a year Afghanistan will have devolved back into the 12th century where it so rightfully deserves to be. Have a nice life.

Karzai, fails to see both sides of slaughter/ bloodshed..he was on the run, years ago..he fails to see how much we done for him and his people..i shed, no tears or prayers for him..he's Not president material, he's more qualified to be a ballon vendor.....

On another note, have you ever carried a dead person by yourself? Well, neither have I but I have tried to carry an unconscious one, I suspect they are correct about one person not being able to do it.

President Obama, please ignore the the generals, John McCains and Lindsey Grahams in the corner (and on MTP) and do the right thing and bring them home. There are enough smart citizens who will not buy it when they tell us that you cut and ran or that you we, "can fight them over there or fight them over here". It is far past time to say that we did what we could and that it has nothing to do with winning or losing. There was never a way to measure a win or a loss. Please look back at the lessons we should all have learned from LBJ and bring them home. I hate as much as anyone what we know will happen there, especially to the women but, even our very best intentions can't fix that now. Please bring them home.

Karzai is an imbecile who is just trying to hold on to power--like all politicians. Sadly for him, the end of his rope is a noose. The Taliban will see to it that he's dead within months of any US departure.

We don't owe those people anything. It's time to get out and let them remain the same backward, primitive savages they were when we arrived. They can't be helped if they don't want to be, and American lives should not be thrown away on a worthless cause.

One caveat: knowing what we now know, we need to keep a close eye on the place and be ready to preemptively shut down any Taliban re-emergence.

And the Sheeple still believe this has been a War for over 10 years. The first 2 years maybe; since then it has been a Police Action designed to make US Corporations wealthy. Invade, destroy, occupy; then Nation-Building so the Insurgents can then come back and destroy all new Infrastructure. And the Sheeple keep buying it. Nothing was learned from Viet-Nam. Nothing was learned from the Soviets campaign of Scorched-Earth War trying to pacify these Insurgents. Americans are just F'ing stupid.

Carrying a 160 # or less person 20 feet is not that hard, especially if you are a member of the military where they are fit and train carrying weight around, for someone who may be "weak" and overweight i am sure it would be difficult. The bigger ? IS WHY DO WE KEEP PUTTING OUR MEN IN HARMS WAY NEEDLESSLY? This is a small country where they were cheering in the streets when the twin towers fell, they do not help us in anything, but try to protect those fighting against us. even the "so called" civilians will attack our troops when the chance arises. They say no religion allows the killing of women and children, yet they use women and children as suicide bombers, they stone to death women ACCUSED of adultery, in Iraq they just stoned to death a bunch of TEENAGERS, yet tell us it is against all religions? The people we are training seem to turn on our troops every time, WHY, their beliefs are that we are infidels and they want us destroyed. WHAT WE NEED TO DO is bring our troops home, carpet bomb the country leaving it in rubble, go in and take what resources are available to recoup our expenses of having to deal with them( there is no oil in the country) and then sell the land to whoever will pay to have it. they can start fresh and it will serve as a warning to the rest that keep wanting to talk about destroying America. If they are a threat to us, destroy the threat, make sure they can never threaten us again. you cannot deal with them from a position of weakness and apologizing, onlly through a position of strength!!!!! With our own economic problems we do not need to be spending billions and billions nation building (IT HAS NEVER WORKED) they still hate us they just want us to give them more everytime. We need to keep that money here not throwing away on people who have been fighting each other for thousands of years and will continue to fight forever cause that is the basis of there beliefs.

David Walker,

The Taliban was never influenced, financed, or otherwise supported by the USA. You may be thinking of the mujahidin movements based in Peshawar that were supported financially by the USA (among other nations) during the Soviet occupation.

This is all about the military complex keeping busy and big corporations making tons of money. As soon as we pull out of Afghanistan I am sure another war will start with Iran, peace is not good for us financially.

I will be the odd man out here. But it isn't that I want the military to stay in Afghanistan--maybe they should come home now--it's just that if there is a clear mission or multiple missions then a case could be made to stay. Most everyone recognizes that if we withdraw that Afghanistan will once again be rife with training camps filled with people who want to kill us, but that alone can't be the reason to stay. We might do well with intel to figure out who those people are and to send missiles to greet them every so often.

And we shouldn't stay because the women in Afghanistan will face harm. They already face harm. Maybe to the extent some have escaped their barbaric punishments because we are there will motivate them to take up arms against groups like the Taliban. A group, btw, that we most certainly did NOT put into power or help come to power. We had long before left Afghanistan in 1987/88 before the Taliban emerged as the power group it became in the 1990s.

I think Bush had a fairly clear mission there. It was many missions, but they included bracketing Iran and giving us an ear into Pakistan. Then we sort of went off the rails thinking we could teach these people to live in the modern era. They don't seem to want it. Karzai is playing his political role knowing that the USA will one day leave anyhow and so he is bashing us in the hope he won't be killed when we go. So I wouldn't give what he says too much weight. But the USA SHOULD be talking loudly inside Afghanistan about how their people are killing their people, about how their people desecrate their Koran. We do far too little to defend ourselves this way.

Once we go there won't be much we can do to prevent the Taliban from returning to power. Afghanistan is a sovereign state, and a craphole, but it's their craphole to decide how to run, not ours. Anyhow, without a clear path again we should go, and so Mr. Obama has a chance to clarify the mission. Let's hear it.

I keep seeing these posts that say war is profitable and that is why we do it. Nothing could be more wrong economically. War diverts economic activity from wealth creation to wealth destruction. Sure, the firms that supply the war materiel make money, but every other economic activity takes a hit. Whoever taught all you people who think this way this brand of economics ought to be fired for malpractice.

War was profitable when we had a good manufacturing base.

What Karzai won't admit to is that the local Taliban is responsible for the killing of the women and children. Several villagers swore there were more than just the one shooter(American). Local Taliban just taking advantage of the opportunity presented to them. No one in the village fired at the SSgt? No guns in an Afghani village? In that part of the country? BULL...the SSgt might have shot the men, returned to base and surrendered saying he killed them while the local Taliban werekilling the women and children. Poor sod was stupid, but I can understand where that came from...this is his fourth tour, first tour after suffering a severe brain injury...but Army Docs "cleared" him for duty! Crap, we're just lucky he didn't pull a psycho in camp!

Lucky he didn't frag a CO. I have to agree that it is fishy for one man to commit so much carnage and then tiptoe back to base & turn himself in, especially with no one firing on him. I seriously doubt that the murdered children were involved in terroristic actions so why did he kill them? Did he act alone, or, as someone else surmised, did the Taliban come along behind and kill the children? Who knows. A terrible tragedy and Karzai...well, he'd better have an exit strategy when the US does pull out or he's toast.

What is interesting is how so many viners who usually go after one another with alacrity, all seem united in the theme of pull out now!

I happen to agree with the sentiment. No more, enough, let the chips fall where they may. Let the Chinese come into Afghanistan. If we're there to protect a pipeline, guess who gets said oil anyways.

Obama has no choice but to cut and run. There is no option to give the Afganistanis our soldier. From the standpoint of getting re-elected, Obama had to use his bully army and bring the soldier back home fast. Any semblance of friendship between the United States and Afganistan is lost now. The damage is not repairable. From this day forward the entire population of Afganistan is at war with the US troops occupying their land.

The offer of money and property to the victims families was tacky and only has made things worse, showing the United States for what it really is.

Well, in Afghanistan, 'blood money' can be and is often accepted as recompense for taking a life. There are little girls given in 'marriage' as recompense for some crime. Also, as one religious leader stated, the life is of little importance compared to the religion which is why there was more outcry over the burnt Korans than happened with the murders. Life expectancy isn't too great there, mortality rate high and starvation also factors in. It is not the most advanced of countries (understatement.)

The comments/posts are interesting. This is Afghan page!

When I read the comments/posts on Syria and Iran, I read an entirely different page!

I thought

I was going back to pre-1991 days pages reading the posts.

We do need to leave. No matter what America does to sew peace, the Afghanis will never accept America as governing authority. The people of Afghanistan and Pakistan for that matter are a monolithic culture with one book as their guide, the Koran. The hadith and tasfir are their source for laws and governance. They view Americans as infidel to be despised and killed as unbelievers as their holy book tells them. This is not new, one only needs to read the vile history of the Moghul empire, Timur or Tabiri. The Taliban is the progeny of the old Islamic war machine. Make no mistake, if they regain power they will offer furtile training ground for Islamofascist terrorist organizations.

Our soldiers are there to protect our civilians, our air tranport systems, and our monumental architecture. They are expected to play by the rulse of engagement fighting an enemy that lives among the civilians, dresses in civilian clothes and attacks from civilian positions. In other words, our soldiers are left as target practice for the whim of sick minded jihadists.

We say we are not in a war with Islam, and yet the entire impetus of the Taliban and Al Qaida is Islam. It's time for the Islamic world to step into this war to protect the reputation of their faith, lest we are forced to deconstruct their religion and expose the sickness that inspires the action of terrorists.

Seargent Bales must face justice as it is written in our secular doctrine. But we cannot ignore the endemic mental pathogens that placed him in the situation where he finally snapped, and left his humanity behind.

What are you talking about? You're calling them pitiful excuses for humans? The United States is in their country, on their land, and 16 of their people were brutally murdered; yet, you have the audacity to imply that the true 'victims' are the US troops?

I agree with you, that the troops need to leave so that "they and their families won't have to suffer pointlessly anymore." Don't get me wrong about that, war is a terrible thing, and want all the troops home safe and sound with their families. But how dare you insult innocent civilians who, more often than not, are just normal every-day people trying to survive in this @!$%#ed up world just like everybody else. Yes, there are extremists in the world, there are extremists in Afghanistan for sure. But that does not encompass the entire populace. Just because America has gangs like the "Crips" and "Bloods", does that make the American population full of "pitiful excuses for humans," because a certain group of people use extreme methods to carry out what they are trying to accomplish?

The Afghanistan people are so messed up its pitiful.. After tons of years of inbreeding they can't even think straight.. Yes they are human beings, but believe me they are all nuts. It would take at the least four or more generations to clean this up...They don't mind us sending them billions, they complain about everything we have done for them. This Koran burning is just part of it.. They can murder over a book that was desecrated by their own before the burn.. But give them one excuse and they will start killing our men and women.

IT IS TIME TO BRING OUR MEN AND WOMEN HOME.

I am appalled by Panetta having our troops unarmed for his speech.. What kind of leadership is that? In a Country filled with terrorists and he strips our troops down.. He is an insult to civilization.. I wish he was having to fight the war along with the rest of this regime.

MichaelBGuitarist

Are you on drugs or what? This was one guy that did this. These people are nothing but pieces of $hit and we do need to get out of there. The whole damn country is not worth one American life. Bin Laden is dead, if freaking Karzai wants to keep the Taliban out of his country, then I guess he needs to start kissing some Pakistani ass.

There is no shame or dishonor in folding a losing poker hand. The West has tried to push Afghanistan into the twenty-first century, but on top of all the other problems in that region their devotion to Islam precludes this. It is time to give up. We also have to pull out all the NGO's as they cannot be protected. Sad, but that's what the Afghans think they want now, so let them have their rope.

The whole gist of the matter is that the US government, then led by Dubya Bush deiced to go macho, withouts the cojones to back up his swagger; an ill advised foray into the Afghnai war. Our "hawk" Vice Prez Dick Cheney (who was able to wiggle out on his military obligation? Due to a thing called "draft dodging, he got a pass from military service). He had no compunction about sending our servicemen to the Middle East to deal with reiigious fanatics who see death in a suicide war as a way to holy redemption and seventy two vestal virgins to service them daily.

So what does Cheney do? He launches troops to Afghanistan. Why was that a STUPID blunder? The Russians fought for decades there trying to destroy the mujahadeen, and walked away with their tails tucked beneath their legs. THE US WAS SUPPLYING WEAPONS TO the mujahadeen, in a proxy war. Karzai, although being a corrupt politiican, has a point. If our military and government leaders had objectively analyzed this conundrum, we would never have gotten into another quagmire similar to Vietnam. But, hey you people keep reelecting thugs with no sense of scruples. Cheney is a highly intelligenly man, and knew he was screwing up from the get go. That's the sad part. Even more sad is the thousands of American servicemen who had their lives taken from them in a ridiculous war spawned by evil men. Cheney ran the White House, not Bush. No wonder he is "Darth Vader". Evil begets evil.

Karzai is 'at the end of his rope'?? WTF, it's US WHO should be 'at the end of our rope'. We try to help, educate, arm these people and this AH gives us a lecture. He's nothing but a thug and a drug dealer. Leave this s..thole, deploy drones. Like everyone else, the major question is 'why' are we there? If you were a US soldier there, what would you think...the President let's the enemy know when we're leaving; your asked to leave your weapons outside a meeting, the rules of engagement favor the enemy, ect. What a cluster-f..k!!!! And who pays...our kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do at the time. Once the Taliban had been ran out of that country, we should have left. Nation building is not our strong point, and it sure shouldn't be one of our objectives. Trying to teach these people democracy is like trying to teach a cow not to crap in the barn.

ORB 1943 is correct in that there is no dishonor in folding a loosing hand, but we are prideful and that is hard to accept for Americans. We are not the French.

Now most want the US troops out of Afghanistan. It is close to 11 years in war!

The same was in Iraq after 1991 and 2003 wars. Withdrawal to some extent was done in 2011.

At least after Vietnam, does it take so much time for most to realize not in engage in reckless wars?

If one has a gun, one can't go on shooting all around unless one is mad!

Just because Saudi Arabia, oil companies and lobbyists are jumping all around on Iran and Syria, why many like John McCains are doing scare and war mongering on them? Oil prices have already shot up to $125.00

There are a high percentages of people jumping around them too!

Media and some politicians are worried about some children and women weeping in Syria and Iran. The same don't bother about the families of the US soldiers killed in these wars!!!!!

So can one explain: What determines these wars? And who decide about wars?

Karzai will be living in luxury somewhere outside of Afghanistan enjoying all the money he and his cronies have looted from the aid agencies. But maybe a patriot will demand that his bank accounts be frozen, and another kind of patriot cuts his throat.

For this reason, they have the great net "asylum" in Britain and many European nations.

They are proud that they give homes to even most wanted Islamic terrorists in these nations!

One of the criminals Gen Mush, biggest backstabber of the NATO forces in the Afghanistan, is in London and goes on lecture tour in the US.

While Taliban was ruling earlier, Karzai was in India. After Taliban take over, he may be fit for $500 plate dinner lecture tour in the US.

Yes, 9/11 was an elaborate plot whose ultimate objective was a base in Afghanistan.

You cant fail at something that cant be achieved in the first place. But our politicians are way too stupid to understand such simple logic.

Bill what you are saying could almost be describing the GOP/TP.

Yea, that would be funny!

Yes, Jared, I am sure you are right. And Karzai knows it, that is why he is now talking tough to garner sympathies with the Taliban. He should know that that is a futile undertaking. As many here said, he is still alive thanks to the American presence and no words can fool anyone about that, neither here nor there.

Look at the picture of him and Panetta. It is obvious that they don't understand eachother. Panetta seems to be laughing at some hilarious joke while Karzai looks very serious. Totally useless trip.

You want to go to war on a civilian population? You sir, are no better than Hitler. Damn Neo-Cons and Liberals... If you want to make orders at who we kill, go enlist and bark em' yourself. Otherwise, get a F*cking grip.

that is a VERY good point...they like the pretty pictures...of beatings and beheadings.

Vegains, you may not believe this : most of them memorize the Qoran. Those Qorans that were burnt had been defaced by the prisoners who had used them and the prescribed way to dispose of them is to burn them. THAT got very little coverage in our mea-culpa-press. And the workers who raised the issue did not know this, either. I can also imagine that there are a lot of germs of medieval illnesses in those books and there is no way to desinfect them. Karzai knows this and yet he is trying to save his arsh.

Uh, shooting a defenseless caveman is our way of showing how superior we are to them? Uh, think again Vegains

That's funny, and probably true!

WillofRites

It's not politically correct to profile members of the NRA!

Thanks for alienating millions of American who are proud members of the NRA & that comment is such in poor taste it's disgusting.

I guess millions of Americans love to kill children 8(

Because of the code of honor you will never here from me the words that you deserve.

Marked for inflammatory and /ignore

Im sorry but one of our soldiers can defeat dozens of other soldiers in head on combat, 16 civilians is beyond easy for our soldiers. Once again the afghans prove they know not what they speak of.

The mental disorder of a soldier does not justify that A*****S need to write asinine comments.

NRA has nothing to do with this. To say it does is just asinine.

Glad he's at end of rope..either way is fine to me..tell us to get our soldiers all out now is what I want to hear...or...the other end of rope choice (he has a noose around his neck).

You have some choice words for this man. Just remember that WE,THE AMERICANS are the ones in his country.

Look at it this way: Your fat neighbor that you hate keeps leaving dirty dishes for you to wash, and he complains that you are not doing them fast enough, so he can keep on eating YOUR FOOD

Those analogies always work for the people that oversimplify.

not sure where you stand but bear this in mind. if the country did not allow the terrorists to flourish we would not be there, and btw i am not pleased that we are there. i do think prior to leaving that we should ruin every opium crop we can find and take out all the airplanes we gave them

we should ruin every opium crop we can find and take out all the airplanes we gave them

Opium is a crop. It grows every season. They are NEVER going to stop producing opium.

We can't win the war against drugs in the US, and you want the military to win the war against opium in the Middle East?

Really?

Dave- Its all the nice American patriots and hero's with the cash, that keeps the opium crops growing........

Onermailliw, I guess you have forgotten what happened when your pal president Numb Nuts was in office. Here is how the military handled a simular incident while himself and his torturer buddy Cheney were in power.

LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A US Marine accused in the 2005 killings of 24 Iraqi civilians pleaded guilty Monday to negligence, as manslaughter charges were dropped in a deal under which he faces three months' imprisonment at most.

Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich, the commander of a group of Marines whose other members have been exonerated, had faced nine counts of voluntary manslaughter and other charges over the killings in the Iraqi town of Haditha.

A sentencing hearing will be held Tuesday, said a spokesman for Camp Pendleton, south of Los Angeles, where the 31-year-old went on trial earlier this month.

Wuterich could also be reduced in rank to private, and have his pay cut by two-thirds for three months, he said, while stressing that the Marine accepted responsibility for giving orders which led to the deaths.

Boy, that poor Marine, three months in prison, rank reduced to private and his pay cut by two-thirds for three months. All of that just for killing 24 Iraqi civilians, seems a little harsh doesn't it? A person would have received a longer sentence if he killed 24 cats!! What a joke!! I wonder why Muslims would be suspicious of justice for their peoples deaths by the American Christians?

Mike....what do you know about it? have u ever been in a combat zone? have you ever had to determine which man, women child was planning on killing you? have you even served in the military?...you idiot!

I agree with Onermailliw, give Karzai all the rope he wants, let them hang his worthless a## off the highest parapet....he's just another scum suckin dog....

President Obama did the right thing by bringing him back to the USA. We and only we should try him and punish him. I don't ever want to hear of leaving one of our Soldiers in Harms way no matter what he did.