It is truly disgusting that a thug like this would attack peaceable children. RAID commandos ought to be raiding and not screwing around with this scumbag.

He's now dead. Good.

The siege shouldn't have lasted THIS long.

Perfect ending to a horrific beginning!

"There was his religious engagement, an increasing hatred against the values of a democratic society and a desire to impose what he believes is truth,"

Thats what the quran teaches....convert or die!

BROWENSTEIN....YOUR POST SAYS ALOT ABOUT YOU. Just another hater. Even a female French cop has more balls than you. They risk their lives like any cop in the US, and you insult them. Why don't you tell us a little story to illustrate what kind of "courage" you have? Love to hear it.

Ron,

I see you too have been doped by paliwood productions that the news not only helps produce but also gleefully and unfairly produces. I would suggest you look into this before passing judgement.

As for the children killed in cold blood, there is actually no such thing, but what has been happening for the last bunch of years is there is no missiles sent out unless there are children and women surrounding the launch site, this makes it extremely difficult for Israel to retaliate but in self defense they do. If these cowards would quite using children as human shields you would not see them being killed. So yes Israel has killed children, but they have tried to avoid killing at all cost, but what would you do if your neighbor was shooting at you and then had himself surrounded by children. What would you do if they took the life of your wife, mother, children or siblings?

I would strongly suggest you use this tool that you are writing on and do some research instead of listening to what has become the mouth peace of terrorist and have been openly cooperating with the terrorist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awYMPzSrh5o this was reported by ABC news, which is surprising because they used the very shots earlier until they were exposed in this segment to show Israel violence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voPtn-Xg61M&feature=related And this is a reporting by the inside scoop. Look this up and you will see that almost every sight you have seen of Israel violence has been staged for the sake of turning public resentment towards them and the sad thing is it has been openly helped with European news crews.

Convert or Die? At least the Christian Bible teaches, I stand at the door and knock! Freedom of choice, and yet the Quran teaches that you must believe or die. I guess I just don't understand that!!!!

All religions are cults.

@ Fedupwitfed: That's not what the Koran teaches. I don't beleive in the Koran, but don't lie about what it says, either. @steve39038029, The ONLY french that have balls are the French FOREIGN LEGION (none of which are French!)... I'm not talking about the Officer corps that have no balls, I'm talking about the ACTUAL FOREIGN legion--the enlisted side.

So much for him being "exceptional" or "Omnipotent". Turns out he was nothing more than a murderer.

No Bob,

All religions are not cults. Actually Athiesm has been found by the supreme court to be a anti-religion and has been seen as a religion. I love how athiest are so intollerant of people of faiths and attack them and then cry at the first sign of any showing of someones beliefs. Maybe you should start showing the same respect back that you expect.

And not all religions are cults, it's people twisting a religion to do evil things that are the problem not the religion itself unless the religion teaches forceful conversions. This is the problem with the Koran and the Muslim Faith, they want us to give respect but refuse to give it. They kill, Christians pray. They want acceptance but refuse to give it. As a person of faith I would fight for your right to have none, would you be willing to fight for my rights to have my faith, I doubt it. It is sad because I am willing to bet you forefathers are looking down in shame, especially the ones that died for this right.

Sadly today I have seen atheism has grown to show the lack of tolerance that we expect to see in cults, I would strongly suggest you look at this and ask if you want the respect that you are refusing to give.

Rick,

If you do not think the Qoran teaches to convert or die, look at these teachings in it:

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory

I know that the faith means peace, but the teaching inside its covers says another thing. This is why we have such problems and they will not nor have they ever stopped because of these verses.

Well, the Quran states that you don't necessarily have to kill the infidels. You can alternatively tax them into submission or poverty, then banish them from the country.

Apparantly he jumped out the window shooting wildly? I hope I'm not misinterpreting that. That would have been interesting to see.

i hate that i hate people like this: murderers of innocent children.

what i find ironic, or even hypocritical, is how 90% of the posters here jump on the 'arab' factor of this story and how their religion, their beliefs and so on is somehow responsible for what this guy did. i would say that that's a misguided point of view, because HE himself and those he associated with are responsible, and those who believe islam is responsible are short-sighted morons. to back up my point, i offer staff sgt. robert bales. he's got no ties to islam (that we know of), yet he's apparently helped (or is directly responsible for) defraud people out of money. and... he murdered children.

so if you're dumb enough to do it, at least spread your hate equally. don't call out a particular religion because of the actions of a few people unless you're prepared to call out ALL religions or even ALL groups of people, for the actions of a few, starting with your own. or, to put it another way, be prepared to call yourself out for having become a hypocrite.

to browenstein.

you are a hater. stop hating on the french. you are so blinded by your hate that you don't even know what your talking about. regardless to what was said about the french not supporting us during the beginning of the war in iraq, they are (french) our allied. low and behold, they have their elite fighters (soldiers) in support in afghanistan. better yet, why don't you join the military instead of talking sh##t.

so shut the f#@up

Mohamad has a sword , and he use to convert the infidels. Like Mohamad Al-Qqaeda wants to convert infidels using terror and killing innocents. This guy Mohammad Marah is a radical violent follower of the extreme version of Islam . The report said he also was rejected from the French Army, here in USA Major Assan the perpetrator of the Fort Hood massacre was recruited for the USA Army , those are not isolated cases. Iran will start broadcasting in Spanish to South American countries in order to brainwash latin America with Muslim propaganda. Muslims want to take over the west, they declare war to the west long time ago , they won't stop untill they accomplish their mission.

whatever is his spiritual bureaucracy, the POS is burning in hell

Rick the Koran is not a peaceful religion , extremist or not. It does have its peacefulness for those who abide by its rules and with each other following its laws to the perfect letter. However anything outside of that, anyone who is not islam, anyone who does not follow allah, are infidels and your dead. You can google the endless pages of information on how violent the islam religion is.

JerkInCool Clothes,

I wish I could agree with you, but the truth is there is no place inside the bible or the torah that teaches we are to forcefully convert people or kill them or take their money and make them leave. Sadly, if you look at my earlier post you will see that there is verse after verse of this in the Koran.

But with this being said I do not look at all people of Muslim faiths as violent, actually I think there are about as many crazies as there are in any faith. Sadly most other faiths do not have places in their religious texts that support these type of peoples actions, the Koran does. But like I said, there are a lot of Muslims that live peacefully, but I would love to hear them come out for once and speak out against these extremist, they instead just remain silent.

Rick,

I would suggest then that you do not Google it, but actually read the Koran, I have. These verses are inside the Koran. If I state this falsely then prove me wrong with the text, I challenge you. But do not pull this correct thinking that is killing us today, back your words up with actions. The truth is if you Google it you find place after place where the Koran teaches violence not peace except to their followers. So next time you want to call me out please supply some facts rather then just empty words.

hope he landed on his ass...and that broke his neck...cause that's where his head was...

tbenton, who said anything about forcefully converting anyone or taking their money? if you'd re-read my post, you might realize this.

Also, comparing what Muslims to what the Koran teaches is a little bit like comparing what Christians do to the Bible. The Bible, nowhere, teaches that we should blow up abortion clinics in the name of God. Christians are not without blood on our own hands.

Also Rick,

While you are at it why don't also read the book of Ishaq which they use, read the book of Bukhuri and the book of Tabari, these were also written by Mohammad and you will see that every one contains verses and teachings of forceful conversions or death. Before you judge study, I have. I am of Christian faith but of Hebrew heritage, I have seen people attack religions for years so rather then just attack I have studied most quite extensively and even taught in college about them. Most of them are peaceful, but sadly Islam is not one of them. When you have done some research and gotten off the political correct train that is killing us, get back in touch with me.

Tbenton, I HAVE read the Koran; and I challenge EVERY SINGLE PERSON to goole the koran, if you don't have one they are available in full text in many places online, and check Tbenton's data. I'll my next week's paycheck to the person that can show me even ONE of those references in the Koran, even if it doesn't say what Tbenton said it says. Those references are fictional.

This just goes to prove Islam is a religion of hate.

Fictional?? Nope. Those are ACTUAL verses from ACTUAL chapters in the Koran.

Fight and KILL disbelievers. Doesn't get ANY clearer than that.

Tbenton, I know more about the Bible than you ever will. I don't know much about the Koran, but I double check everything; and I don't like it when people sit back and tell a pack of lies and stand behind it. People, look for the truth and tell the truth. Yes, Muslims have been blood thirsty throughout History, even Alexander the Great had to stop them from their murderous ways; but please do not give them grounds to prove you wrong by telling great lies about their book. If you cant use their own printed material agaisnt them, use their history instead. Dont lie. I'm done with this conversation.

"Islamist extremist" is redundant.

Rick,

I have never denied that people professing to be Christians have not done terrible things, just look at the crusades. But the truth is these were no more religious then this countries government is, it was all politics. The bombing of abortion clinics is wrong and the Bible if you would study it states such.

So to correct your statement, people who falsely use Christianity as a excuse for their evil deeds have killed and bombed people, but no place in the Bible is there support for their actions. You really need to study before you start assigning mass blame for people who use a faith without support of the tenets of the faith.

Why don't you do me a favor and read the bible and tell me where it says we are to kill or maim in the name of Christ. I promise you will never find any such teachings because the Bible teaches to pray rather then to kill, to love rather then to hate, and to leave judgement to God rather then to judge. But it also teaches us to study to know when a false teaching is being taught, and what you are saying is false. If you can provide proof otherwise please post it.

Rick,

Alexander the Great, you really need to get your facts straight, Mohammad was not born until 570 AD, Alexander the Great died in 322 BC, this is why I have problems with you. You keep throwing things out there that have no bases in fact. These two people never crossed paths, in fact Christianity was not even around until 600 years after Alexander and Islam was 1,100 years later. You really need to brush up on your history.

To hate and throw out facts is totally without merit and makes you case look very bad. I would suggest that you have facts before you start with accusations.

Also Rick,

Before you start judging my knowledge of the Bible, do you know how to read Greek or Hebrew, I do, and have studied the Bible in their original text so as not to be biased in meaning lost in interpretations. So again, please stop making assertions until you have the facts.

Rick

Here is where you are wrong , the blow up of abortion clinic is condemn for every Christian , this is an isolated violent incident and the perpetrator is considered as a criminal, under the law and under the Christian precepts. Muslims who fight the Jihad and die in the name of Alla , are marthyrs. They already kill more than 3,000 inicents in NY alone, they celebrate all over Middle East.

He added that Merah had tried to join France's military but was rejected.

What sounds so familiar about this?

After growing up in extremely primitive conditions that don't respect life, these Middle Eastern peoples are unfit for any western society. Because of their religious teachings, they are unwilling to accept any changes to their beliefs.

For you d'bags who are ragging on my for my observation regarding the French...I've already served in the military, thank you very much. And we were trained that you don't wait until you can smell decomp from the sidewalk before you can "storm the suspect". lol

Seriously...they threw flash-bangs inside the house every hour for 8 hours before they went in...??? lol

Another evil jihadi dead by his own had.

Rick,

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!! WANT PROOF...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

Tbenton quoted correctly...time to stop being an apologizer and tealize the truth AS IT IS WRITTEN.

Tbenton, I HAVE read the Koran; and I challenge EVERY SINGLE PERSON to goole the koran

i believe it's a reading comprehension thing.

Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and
fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

direct link to over twenty translations of verse 9;88 http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/88/default.htm

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take
them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of
war.”

direct link to over twenty translations of verse 9;5 http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/5/default.htm

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain,
kill and are killed.”

(The number is incorrect, that is Quran 9;111)

direct link to over twenty translations of verse 9;111 http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/111/default.htm

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying
the protective tax in submission.”

direct link to over twenty translations of verse 9;29 http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/29/default.htm

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief
[non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole
world).”

direct link to over twenty translations of verse 8;39 http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/8/39/default.htm

Killing children for a cause...how nice.

Buh-bye, you evil, disgusting son of a bitch.

@Tbenton:

cult/kəlt/

Noun:

1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

KPR,

I stand corrected, thanks!

Bob,

Today all faiths are viewed by other faiths as a cult. I wish instead we could all find a peaceful means to coexist with each other, not only granting one another the right to believe or even have no belief, but sadly this will not happen because each faith is intent on attacking the other and people of no faith are not happy unless they take away faith from everyone.

@ Rick : I do own a Koran in French bought in Morocco years ago. I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. If you had one, and you read chapter 9 named “Conversion” you would see by yourself that some of the verses speak of killing. This chapter speak of vengeance and it contains 130 verses.

And you should learn, that the French Foreign Legion DOES have French combatants, and not just the officers, nowadays. And I wonder who the h*ll you are to tell that the only one that have balls are the Foreign Legion ? Just because France refused to go with the US on its war, does not mean that all the French are cowards. France has soldiers in Afghanistan, and even some of them died, the same way as US soldiers died. So shut the f**k up. It is easy to speak of courage, when you are standing in front of your computer and the only danger is some possible radiation from your monitor !!!!

@Justwonderin : Just shut up. Do you want me to put your nose on WACO ???? If my memory serves me right, it took 50 DAYS before the FBI made an assault on the site, and everybody was killed, including 20 children, and that was because they were serving a search warrant that lead to a battle and a siege.

@JR Browenstein : It took 50 days for the FBI to work up their courage to end the siege at WACO it 1993. So you too just shut up. The fact that you served in the military does not mean that you could do a cop job. And being a soldier has nothing to do with working as a cop. So your last comment is an utterly useless one.

And how many times, police forces in the USA have tried to negotiate for hours to end up a hostage situation ? or to make mad men barricaded in their homes with arms to surrender peacefully ?

But God forbids that in France, they try the same thing. They will be labelled cowards, lacking in courage, etc. etc.

Religion=Death period.

More people have died in the name of religion than any other reason, ever.

I don't care about reasons, theories, or excuses. It's a moot point.

Religion is ALL bad in infinite shapes and forms.

To be "religious" is to be primitive, naive, blind, ignorant, and lost as a human being.

I know that the Muslims are evil and wicked people and that they teach hatred and Jihad. But I also know that the Koran Does NOT

Unfortunately you've got it backwards Rick.

Disasapointed and ashamed,

Sadly you are right about religions, the reason for this is they stop becoming a issue of personal faith and instead turn into a political power. It is this that has caused wars, not faith. To lump the two together is wrong, and I hope you realize this. Remember, faith can cause person change, religions are capable of forcing change without the other side being willing participants.

This is a wrong news report.

Pakistan is a "valued" ally on "war terror."

He was sent by Iran to kill Jews.

Sarkozy, Cameron, Markel, John McCains, Netanhaos should scream: bomb Syria and Iran.

In Syria, they are killing children and women. Iran is having WMD.

For for further screams and actions: they should take directions from Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists!

Saudi variety of Sunni Islamists, Salaffi and Wahhabi, are strong believers of "love" and "peace."

Rick-

If you go here: it lists all the books of the Qur'an. If we use Qur'an 9:88 as an example, we can look up each verse using "9" as the book and "88" as the verse. You'll find that the translations are not exactly as Tbenton quoted on here, but they are similar in nature. The differences would probably lie in the version or translation that you're reading.

The quotations used by Tbenton can be found easily by cutting and pasting any of his quotes. Most of them can be found here:

So, they can be found on google quite easily and they are subject to interpretation and translation.

We know this POS was using his little book of mythology to justify his despicable heart. This filth is dead and that's the end of his boo hoo story.

Condolences to the families of those killed by this a-hole. They did nothing to deserve this.

Thats fine tbenton. You can find "good" in a pile of shtt too if thats what you're looking for. The results are what they are. You can polish it any way you or anybody wants to but it doesn't change what it is at it's core.

@Rick

How does Tbenton get a hold of you so you can hand him over your next week's paycheck?

Just askin'

Okay....it took out my links....

So, quran.com for the books and verses and prophetofdoom.com for Tbenton's quotes.

Merah was found dead outside his home, Gueant said. Police union sources also confirmed Merah's death, with local prosecutors also saying he had been shot in the head.

GOOD!!! What goes around, comes around.

I took Rick the apologist's challenge. Googled those references. They're all legit.

Rick, seriously, go F yourself with a cattle prod. People like are the best justification so far for post-birth abortion.

Look for some Islamic crazies to now praise this guy as a hero of islam and a martyer for mohammad while calling for continued jihad against the western infidels.

NEVER AGAIN.

Tbenton:

Actually, it doesn't mention "killing" specifically, but go back and reread your New Testament and you will find that Christians are called upon to fight the non-believers, to chastise them, and make every attempt to convert them in the name of the Christ. And so it follows that many Christians are haters and spread hate like a virus; they judge their fellow man on a daily basis, telling those who do not follow Christ that they will be damned to hell. And, since the Bible is interpreted in many different ways by differing Christian sects, and because so many Christians claim they know the rightful interpretation of the Bible, it is difficult to accept your claim that any Christians know the Bible at all, let alone when they receive a false teaching. In the end, Christianity has been bastardized to a point that it is difficult to take any Christian seriously as their actions are often contrary to Jesus' command to "love thy neighbor". Jesus never told his followers to kill in his name, however, Christians have a long history of killing in the name of Christ, under the pretense of salvation. Christians murdered millions over the centuries trying to eradicate other religions and punish those who do not conform to their ideals. Because of these things, Christians are no better than Moslems.

My opinion is that Buddhists seem to have it 'right' when it comes to the moral high ground. The first tenet in Buddhism is to DO NO HARM, which means that all living creatures have a right to life and to keep their own Truth, even those who have never heard of Buddha or those who choose to follow different teachers. Buddhism encourages each person to question the teachings of Buddha and find out the Truth for himself, and to recognize that every single person has a Buddha nature that only needs to be actualized.

When a Buddhist wants to protest, or draw attention to a wrong, he will sacrifice only himself, that he might ease the suffering of others. As a Christian, this should sound familiar to you.

The people who wrote the New Testament needed to politicize their beliefs to gain control over the masses, which is contrary to what Jesus taught. Peter and Paul talk of fighting the non-believers, so--where is the love? Where is the tolerance Jesus commanded of his followers? Christians live in and by the fear of eternal damnation, and I only hear of Christians condemning what they deem as 'sinners', and those are, according to Christians, anyone who does not adhere to their beliefs.

A handful of Buddhists is, by far, more valuable, and less dangerous, than a roomful of Christians.

@ FedupwithFed, CubT

How is it that the words of morons like you are highly favored when they speak of Islam/Muslims in hatred as strong as this gunman's extremist views and actions?

You can't win against hate and extremism with that type of mindset; that's what gets innocent people hurt/killed. This case in France being one of many of extremism at its peak. The thing is...ANYONE could've been capable of carrying out this attack! I'm sick of people throwing out hate at a certain race/religion just because an extremist nutjob who HAPPENS to be affiliated with that religion decides to carry out an abhorred action and use something they HAPPEN to be affiliated with as justification (In this case, the gunman used the Quran as justification, which is completely wrong).

How can YOU be so sure that most Muslims were AGAINST terrorist actions like this? Most likely there's a majority that oppose the extremist views in Islam, and thus, against negative interpretations in the Quran...but they cannot speak out because of fear.

The insult to his victims continues since the muslims will see to it that he gets a religious burial. His body should be thrown into Pakistan from a helicopter. He died a coward, deranged to the end and without remorse. Soon we will all have to hear about his troubled childhood blah blah blah... What BS.

For over 2000 years it has been the christians vs. the muslims, both sides saying my god is better than yours. People don't understand that there will be no rest until one side has eliminated the other totally off the face of the earth. You cannot negotiate with either side, the Koran is so deceptive and misleading one verse teaches forgiveness the next preaches killing infidels. depending on which verses they stick to makes them good or bad. There are decent muslims and pos muslims, i think the latter has more. there are good and bad christians, i think there are more good than bad christians.with either religeon anytime you go looking for higher answers that's when the trouble starts. I think we should take all the muslims in america load them on a boat, send them home and be done with it. take our troops and bring them home, close off all border's into north america, have no flights oversea's period, and tell rest of the world deal with it. everytime we go to held someone else out, they love us to help solve there current problem and then it turns into anther bigger problem. lets bring the soldier's home and take care of ourselves for a change. once iran becomes nuclear they are so messed up there gonna goto war with israel and it's gonna be bad.

Tbenton

Also Rick,

While you are at it why don't also read the book of Ishaq which they use, read the book of Bukhuri and the book of Tabari, these were also written by Mohammad and you will see that every one contains verses and teachings of forceful conversions or death. Before you judge study, I have. I am of Christian faith but of Hebrew heritage, I have seen people attack religions for years so rather then just attack I have studied most quite extensively and even taught in college about them. Most of them are peaceful, but sadly Islam is not one of them. When you have done some research and gotten off the political correct train that is killing us, get back in touch with me

Tbenton, you have claimed to study religion extensively. If that was the case, then you would know that you, as a Christian, is not a non-believer to Muslims. Christians and Jews are considered to be "Children of the Book" according to Islam and worship the same God. Yes, Allah is the God of Abraham. Non-believers, aka infidels are Pagans, atheists, Buddhists, etc... You have not "studied" anything and certainly have not taught religion. You read some wing nutted website or book and claimed to have studied it. Also, since you claim to be able to speak Greek and Hebrew, I assume you do not read Arabic. If you can't then you have never read the Koran.

For over 2000 years it has been the christians vs. the muslims

is time travel involved in your theory? because Islam is not two thousand years old.

Can you provide scripture that supports your theory on Christianity, "called upon to fight the non-believers, to chastise them, and make every attempt to convert them in the name of the Christ"?

Ah ! Get out your standard anti-Muslim rhetorik ! Hallo ! His lawyer said that he had criminal tendencies BUT THAT THEY GOT WORSE AFTER HIS TRIPS TO PAKSTAN AND AFGHANISTAN. That obviously means that he was radicalized in one of the terrorist camps there. That obviously means that it was not his religion that caused him to kill but the twisted ideology of those he encountered in the East.

Can anyone see the difference ? How many Moslems are there in France and how many commit such atrocities ? Get it ? It is radicalization through indoctrination that spawns these monsters. Add to that some mental instability and you have got the formula for desaster. So hold your quotes from the Qoran, which are out of context anyway.

To those who critcize the length of time of the stand-off : it was well worth waiting since it would of been very valuabe to find out whether there were any accomplices.

Rick certainly doesn't know much about timelines--who lived when.

As time goes by, it is becoming more obvious that the term "Islamic extremist" is an oxymoron.

See: oneummah.net/quran

This is Arabic to English translation of the Quran. All of what Tbenton says is in here. For Penitence, it looks like the Muslims were talking about the Pagans that if they don't convert, ambush them and kill them or capture them. If they would have liked to hear about the Muslim faith, give them safe passage. The Arabs went down into Southern African countries for slaves as most of the native tribes were pagans at the time and were thought to be subhuman without morals or culture.

Goodbye, to this piece of human garbage.

Religious extremism must be stamped out wherever it is found.

No matter what the religion.

Religion is the enemy of the human race.

.

I'm with you, US1776. I'm glad this guy won't be able to hurt more people.

I do wonder though if he actually jumped to his death or if he fell after he took the shot to the head. Either way though: Good riddance.

You guys have to understand about Islam. Mohammad, blessed be He, belonged to the Quraysh tribe, a very powerful and wealthy group. They lived in Mecca, a religious city, where they kept idols to worship, and made their wealth off the pilgrims that came every year to worship the idols. The yearly influx of pilgrims was the foundation of their regional economy. So Mohammad, blessed are his family, goes up on Mt. Paran outside of town and, over several days, receives a revelation from the Angel Gabriel, part of of which is that their is only one God, Allah, and that the idols must go. As a young man at that time, and at that place, Mohammad, blessing on Him, didn't have too much standing in Mecca, but faithful to the revelation He received, He began to preach against the foundation of the whole region's economy, against the things those men loved. Imagine what happened, they took up arms to fight Him. The Quraysh wanted Mohammad, blessed be He, and His followers dead or gone or both. Things got so bad Mohammad, blessings be upon Him, and His people had to escape to the city of Medina, the date of this escape marks the start of the Muslim calendar, 622 A. H. There were many believers in Medina, and they started to do battle with people of Mecca. That is why these references to fighting are in the Quran, Mohammad, blessed be He, and His followers were fighting for their lives. Most of Mohammad's battles were defensive in nature. His followers were to defend Islam, not battle for possessions or land, only to defend themselves. Once when they didn't follow His orders and went after the enemy's possessions they were defeated in that battle. After Mohammad, peace be upon Him, died in 633, the Muslims have been divided. In this extreme version of Islam today, their people think it's okay to shoot little girls in the head, that's not in the Quran and never was. Islam did have a violent beginning, and probably will have a violent end, but this violence, the shooting of little girls, wasn't written in the words of Mohammad, blessed is He, it was in the understanding of some of His followers.

Mohammad, blessed be He, belonged to the Quraysh tribe, a very powerful and wealthy group. They lived in Mecca, a religious city, where they kept idols to worship, and made their wealth off the pilgrims that came every year to worship the idols

that is true, but Mohammad's clan ( the Quraysh) worship one idol in particular, a black stone.

In his Sirah, Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar said, "When the Messenger of Allah reached thirty-five years of age, the Quraysh gathered to rebuild the Ka`bah, this included covering it with a roof. However, they were weary of demolishing it. During that time, the Ka`bah was barely above a man's shoulder, so they wanted to raise its height and build a ceiling on top. Some people had stolen the Ka`bah's treasure beforehand,

the treasure referred to here is the black stone of the Kabba.

which used to be in a well in the middle of the Ka`bah. The treasure was later found with a man called, Duwayk, a freed servant of Bani Mulayh bin `Amr, from the tribe of Khuza`ah. The Quraysh cut off his hand as punishment.

The cutting off of hands, is clearly an Arab pagan law, or a custom.

Now it's codified in the prophet Mohammad's laws of 'allah'.. known as sharia law.

Some people claimed that those who actually stole the treasure left it with Duwayk.

Afterwards, the sea brought a ship that belonged to a Roman merchant to the
shores of Jeddah, where it washed-up. So they collected the ship's wood to use it for the Ka`bah's ceiling; a Coptic carpenter in Makkah prepared what they needed for the job. When they decided to begin the demolition process to rebuild the House, AbuWahb bin `Amr bin `A'idh bin `Abd bin `Imran bin Makhzum took a stone from the Ka`bah; the stone slipped from his hand and went back to where it had been. He said, `O people of Quraysh! Do not spend on rebuilding the House, except from what was earned from pure sources. No money earned from a prostitute, usury or injustice should be included.'''IbnIshaq commented here that the people also attribute these words to Al-Walid bin Al-Mughirah bin `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Makhzum.

Ibn Ishaq continued, "The Quraysh began to organize their efforts to rebuild the Ka`bah, each subtribe taking the responsibility of rebuilding a designated part of it.

However, they were still weary about bringing down the Ka`bah. Al-Walid bin Al-Mughirah said, `I will start to bring it down.' He held an ax and stood by the Ka`bah and said, `O Allah!

The Kabba is the house of the Pagan Deitys or gods , and here the greater one, it's called "allah" in this instance. it's "Akbar" or greater than the other idols.

No harm is meant. O Allah! We only seek to do a good service.'

At this particular time in history, Mohammad is not yet the prophet of Islam, he and everybody else living in Mekka are pagans, who only know of pagan gods. There has yet to have been a "revelation" claimed by Mohammad, it will not come for another five years. And we see, Al-Walid bin Al-Mughirah, begging 'allah's' forgiveness, because he is about to strike the house of 'allah' with an ax, and does not want to anger 'allah', who at this time, is a pagan deity. The Kabba is still now, the house of 'allah', and the black stone is still residing there.

He then started to chop the House's stones. The people waited that night and said, `We will wait and see. If something strikes him, we will not bring it down and instead rebuid it the way it was.

If nothing happens to him, then Allah will have agreed to what we are doing.'

'allah' is the "top stone" the big dog, head honcho, main man," Allah is "Akbar" or Greater than, the other idols

we find no mention of the other 359 idols housed within the walls of the Kabba.

The next morning, Al-Walid went to work on the Ka`bah, and the people started
bringing the Ka`bah down with him. When they reached the foundations that
Ibrahim built, they uncovered green stones that were above each other, just like
a pile of spears.''IbnIshaq then said that some people told him, "A man from
Quraysh, who was helping rebuild the Ka`bah, placed the shovel between two of
these stones to pull them up; when one of the stones was moved, all of Makkah shook, so they did not dig up these stones.''

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=305
(click next to turn the page)

Ibn Ishaq said, "The tribes of Quraysh collected stones to rebuild the House, each tribe collecting on their own. They started rebuilding it, until the rebuilding of the Ka`bah reached the point where the Black Stone was to be placed in its designated site.

The corner of the Kabba (where it can be found today)

A dispute erupted between the various tribes of Quraysh, each seeking the honor of placing the Black Stone for their own tribe.

Mohammad, is from a clan of the Quraysh tribe, the highest deity of the tribe is clearly a black stone.This black stone is a pagan Deity.

The dispute almost led to violence between the leaders of Quraysh in the area
of the Sacred House. Banu`Abd Ad-Dar and Banu`Adi bin Ka`b bin Lu'ay, gave their
mutual pledge to fight until death.

fighting to the death over the honor (supremacy ) of a black stone, is still on going in the conteporary world today. Open a newspaper.

However, five or four days later, Abu Umayyah bin Al-Mughirah bin `Abdullah
bin `Amr bin Makhzum, the oldest man from Quraysh then intervened at the right
moment. AbuUmayyah suggested that Quraysh should appoint the first man to enter
the House from its entrance to be a mediator between them. They agreed.

The Messenger - Muhammad - was the first person to enter the House. When the
various leaders of Quraysh realized who the first one was, they all proclaimed,
`This is Al-Amin (the Honest one). We all accept him; This is Muhammad.' When
the Prophet reached the area where the leaders were gathering and they informed
him about their dispute, he asked them to bring a garment and place it on the
ground. He placed the Black Stone on it.

Mohammad shows great reverence to the stone, and treats it with respect, the black stone is an object of worship. It most have been a great honor to be "in-trusted" with the placement of his family's scared idol. The black stone was the most revered object of worship at this time and place. Mekka, 5 years before Mohammad became a prophet.

He then requested that each of the leaders of Quraysh hold the garment from one side and all participate in lifting the Black Stone, moving it to its designated area. Next, the Prophet carried the Black Stone by himself and placed it in its designated position and built around it. The Quraysh used to call the Messenger of Allah `Al-Amin' even before the revelation came to him.''

Al-Amin. trustworthy in Arabic, Mohammad was "in trusted" with the well being of the black stone, making sure no harm came to it. He was certainly the man for the job, as now the black stone is still the main (only) attraction in the Kabba, the "lowly" tribal deity of the Quraysh tribe, is now what Mohammad
wanted, it's the only idol worshiped in the Kabba. The "jinn" of his pagan father most have been so proud, after all, his name was slave of allah (Abdullah)

The undeniable truth we find in this fafsir, is that in Mekka, before the "real god" revealed itself. The Kabba was the home of many idols, but there was one idol ( the black stone) considered by the Mekkian pagans as, Greater, than the other idols (allah-Akbar) "allah" was Greater, and is now still, Greater.

allah is Akbar, then, as it is now.

Now this text, is a clear indictment, of any claim to Monotheism, connected with 'allah' or the Kabba. There are pagan ritualistic practices associated with a black stone, worshiped by pagan Arabs, that entail ciricling the Kabba, shaving their head ,running between two hills located in Mekka, and the kissing
and praising the attributes of their "idol stone" of devotion.(found in the collection of hadiths)

How do you possibly explain this to your Jewish neighbours, that you are attempting to convince, that you in fact share a common, mutual, concept of G*d, together in fraternal monotheistic brotherhood. That is going to be tricky, for sure. But the prophet had an answer, as long as that answer is not closely
examined.

And how do you explain to your pagan brothers, that you are getting rid of idols because monotheism is the only true faith, and leave the idol of your family standing triumphantly alone at the Kabba. He turns to the bible for an answer, but he gets the story wrong, to his advantage of course. He is after all, attempting to transform 'allah' in to the G*d of the universe. Mohammad needs a good reason to break all of the idols but one.His, the 'allah' idol.

read more at Mohammad: the prophet of "reformed" Arabian paganism

Let me answer the questions posed and I will go from there.

As for Christians and Muslims fighting for two thousand years is a preposterous as the person saying that the Muslims brought the Jews before Alexander the Great, you might want to study the time line of events, Christianity was founded in 32 to 37 AD Islam was founded around 557 AD.

In regard to Christians and Jews being called people of the Book you are correct, but our treatment is to be no less different then are the pagans except for a monastery in Egypt. So even though we might be called different, we are all treated the same.

As for the claim that I never taught and have no idea of what I am talking about you can read my book called 'Conversations with an Angel: The Watchers" it is a published book and I actually have done quite a bit a study. In regards to me knowing Arabic, you are correct I do not know it as well as Hebrew or Greek but am currently learning it because the book of Daniel was written in Arabic, also I want to have a better grasp of the Koran. With you statements of Christians that wrote the books politicizing Christianity is false, this was done by Constantine when he forced all Christianity to convert to the Alexander sect of Christianity which today is known as the Catholic Church. But if you do some studies you will see that this was not a faith issue with Constantine but rather a political decision because the different faiths within the Roman empire were tearing it apart, but Constantine was not even baptized into the faith until he was on his death bead. But the books of the Bible already existed for over 250 years at this point, it was just the council he ordered the bible as we know it today put together, until this point each of the books of the New Testament along with some that were rejected due to their validity were put together in one volume. You also might want to study more before accusing me of not doing such. But to claim the actions of the Catholic church were christian acts makes no more sense then to state that all acts of the U.S. are, the Church was and still is a sovereign nation and should be looked upon as such, and within that nation they have the catholic view that they teach in their churches.

In regards to my having pasted and copied all the post, I did, I have a whole hard drive with nothing but notes about different faiths, where to find information about them, and usually writings from them themselves, but anyone can if they so choose get this off the internet today, but then you will not have studied it, just listened to someone else teaching either for it or against it, I did study before I made a decision about each faith because how could I judge with no knowledge.

You are right that their are many sects of Christians, but there are many of all faiths including Buddhist, it all depends on the peoples experiences that are joined together to make a community of worship.

And for Buddhism I think both that philosophy has idea's that we can learn from. But Buddha never taught that he was teaching a new faith but rather a better way of life, and I do agree that we can learn from it.

Last least I make this too long, I saw someone stated that as Christians we are mandated to force others to our faith, could you please provide proof of your statement. We are told to share our faith, but it is a personal decision and in the end is between the person and God and not a group thing, so to state we are told to forcefully do such is wrong. If Christians are attacking you, are you attacking first, because what I see here are people take these forums as a all out hunting season for atheist to attack Christians, maybe some of us have had it and will exercise our right to be heard too. But because we may disagree with you does not mean I or others are forcing you to worship with us, just grant us the respect that you feel you deserve for your beliefs. And when you get down to it Atheism is a belief of no faith and are just as much of a belief as any other religious system is, they just believe in nothing.

Barlow,

Mohammad is not blessed, instead he has with his teachings and words condemned millions of people to death and is probably in a special reserved spot in hell along with Hitler, Stalin, and other evil men who used whatever means possible to force their way on others. So maybe we should say 'Mohammad, Cursed is He'.

This is where the greatest difference lies between his teaching and Christ's. Christ taught love and acceptance, acceptance and forgiveness. To give without regard of getting.

Mohammed taught to kill and force into slavery anyone that did not agree with his teachings, and the people of the 'Book' were then looked on as second class citizens never allowed to participate in any governing actions.

Religion=Death period.

More people have died in the name of religion than any other reason, ever.

I don't care about reasons, theories, or excuses. It's a moot point.

Religion is ALL bad in infinite shapes and forms.

To be "religious" is to be primitive, naive, blind, ignorant, and lost as a human being.

a) cite your source.

b) Hitler, Mao, Stalin... For what religion were they killing?

It's pretty much accepted that religion is a trait we evolved (somewhat ironically, I suppose). When it's not being used as an excuse to legislate morality or to murder people, it's actually a pretty good thing. It provides people with a reason for being, a moral compass, and a sense of security. As for all the crappy things which have been done in the name of religion, if we didn't have gods to kill for, we would find something else. We always do.

Hitler had a signed treaty with the catholic church giving him permission to kill the Jewish people on July 30, 1933, and Mao and Stalin killed for political reasons and any person that any religious beliefs (so I guess they had the ultimate solution that atheist seem to teach and seek). So as much as atheist want to preach against the evils of religion, one can see what happens when they are in charge trying to eradicate it!

My point is that people are going to kill people, whether they are religious or not. You can't say that religion is the only motivator. Just about every religion I know of preaches peace. Including Islam.

Ron, you are a sick MFer if you think this has any connection to the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians. Merah is just another Muslim terrorist murderer. If he felt so strongly about the Palestinian cause, then he should have gone to the West Bank or snuck into Gaza via the tunnels where he could have fough with the IDF. Instead, he murders three little French Jews, a Rabbi and three unsuspecting French soldiers.

Ron, you and your Palestinian brethren use any event to make it look like the Palestinians are innocent victims. People like you (yeah, I said people like you) could turn something like Disney On Ice into a opportunity to make the Palestinians look like victims. I hope for your sake (and for the sake of your family) that fate doesn't try to teach you a lesson. Good luck!

Ron, it is a principle that when attacked if a nation defeats its attackers they keep any land that was won in the conflict. That has happened in every attack by Arab countries on Israel, but Israel always winds up giving most of it back in negotiations. I don't really care what Israel keeps for its borders but htey have had a right to defend themselves and to keep the spoils of wars they did not initiate.

The poooooooor picked on Palestinians, eh Ron?? Really?? Those backers and enablers of Hezbollah, al Quaeda and Hamas? Seems to me the problem of mass murder and aggression across the Middle East (and the globe) is coming from the Islamists, NOT the other way around.

Ron, perhaps there would be peace if the palestinians would stop trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth! They have a right to exist!

Honest, I think the point Ron was making was that violence begets violence, of course there is no justification in what this man did, he is a evil individual with twisted values. However in his own mind, from what he said, what the Israelis do to the Palestinians justifies what he did in his own sick mind. A lot of the most evil acts taken by terrorists they justify by what Israel does, not sure if that is just a excuse or a real motivation for these sick individuals.

Maybe if Palestine was a real country or group of people instead of refugees leftover from the 6 day war.

When the Jordanians and Egyptians controlled the so-called West Bank and the Gaza Strip for 19 years (1948 to 1967), there was never a thought of giving the disorganized mass of “migrant workers” a state. Why? Because they knew there was no cohesive, homogeneous people known as “Palestinians.”

By all eyewitness accounts of that era, Palestine was a total desolation. There were virtually no trees and no people. Because of lack of trees, the weather changed and it rarely ever rained. The irrigation systems of the once fertile valleys were all destroyed, rendering most areas into malaria-ridden swamps. The terraces of the mountainsides were torn down, causing terrible erosion that left only barren rocks. This was the condition of Palestine by the beginning of the 19th century.

It was at this time that Jews began to flee severe persecutions in Russia and Eastern Europe. In the mid-1800s, some Jews came to Palestine and, with the generous aid of some successful Jews like the Rothschilds, began to buy property from Muslim Ottoman Turks. The Muslims thought the land was worthless anyway, so they sold it to the “dumb Jews” for extremely inflated prices.

To everyone’s amazement, the Jews were very successful at reclaiming the land. Many of them died from malaria and the rigorous life the work demanded, but they performed an agricultural miracle that made the land very productive again. As a result of their success, poor migrant workers from the surrounding Muslim countries began to flood in to work for the Jews. The Jews literally became victims of their own success – almost all of the people calling themselves “Palestinians” today are the descendants of those migrant workers.

Honest J ..in a couple of paragraphs you zeroed in on the on the moral dyslexia of people like Ron who defend the pyscho and mass murdering mentality of Islamic terrorists.Abbas. the head of the PA and no great friend to Israel.blasted very strongly the murder of these French Jewish children. and said their deaths were not done in the name of the Palestine cause and they can not be connected to the Palestinian people.If the Muslim terrorists want to bring the war to other places.they must be obviously be treated as terrorist criminals aganst the countries they live in.Whether in Egypt,Jordan. France,Germany,the Phillipines,Thailand,China,Russia or any country of the world. And hopefully with the help of many other Muslims.people,this horrible plague can be defeated Again.Abbas said he doesn´t need the help of devils like the one who murdered these children.Obvioulsy.! No one need the help of a monster like this..Honest J you did a good job in summing things up.!

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Fedupwithfed: Now THAT is the type of comments I can truely appreciate. That was a great amount of history there, and accurate! @Ron, The Isrealis have TRIED to verbally negotiate with the so called Palistenians several times. The Isrealies back down, and the Palistinians pick up the pace...every single time. The Palistinians never stop.

Square Dude, tell that to the tank using Russia who spent 30 years in the rock throwing Afghanastan region and accomplished...um NOTHING. Or the tank using US who spent 10 years in rock throwing Afghanastan and accomplished... um NOTHING. NEVER EVER EVER under estimate your foe... that will be your great downfall someday.

FedupwithFed, your interpretations....and that is exactly what they are.....of the events are so one-sided it defies the imagination. Make a map of what Israel "bought" them compare it to the boundaries claimed today. You attempt to make it look as if the fault is all on one side and the goodness is all on the other. The way I see it, as my interpretation, there are elements on both sides of this atrocity that wish peace only with the annihilation of the other side. The problem is rooted in hate. I hope for my grandchildren or my g'g'g'g grandchildren the area will one day see peace.

Glenda you right about one thing that neither side is without fault. I do not give Israel a blank check for their actions, nor do I support terrorism. But the truth is that Israel have never pre-emptily attacked unless there was information that a attack was going to happen (such as the 1967 war), and this attack actually happened as the tanks were already rolling into Israel.

Because of the extreme bias against them Israel has as a rule been careful to a fault, but it is hard to not kill children when they are used as human shields against retaliation at the point of the rocket attacks launching. I have never seen a Israeli use a child as a human shield. In fact I remember on 9/11 they sent their condolences while all of the Muslim states had people dancing in their streets. It is not to say that Israel has never done wrong, they have, but most times it is in reaction to a attack and not a start of one.

FedupwithFed,

While I might support your stand, I must insist on truth. While you are right that quite a few of these people were Muslim Immigrants that came to work for Israel and then were thrown out for trying to bring down the government, there are a lot of Palestinians that lived and had homes in Israel long before they were a state. The problem was that just as this country has imminent domain, so does Israel, and when confronted with this the Palestinians refused to budge a bit but rather rose up and fought, this is what got them kicked out. But in all fairness there were families removed that had lived and farmed the lands for hundreds of years passed down from generation to generation.

Not being trying to cause a commotion, just like to keep the truth real.

FedupwithFed,

I was going to add to your point of when the Arabs controlled Jerusalem and the West bank. You might also want to add that Israel was gracious in their letting the Arabs keep control of the Dome of Rock and other places that are holy to them. When the Arabs controlled Jerusalem they closed down the wailing wall and refused to let anyone of Jewish faith to visit any place that was holy to them. Sadly this is never mentioned. In fact it was suggest to Minister of Defense Moshe Dayan that he should blow up the Dome of Rock, and he refused stating that to do such a thing would put Israel on the same foundation of religious intolerance that they had experienced. In fact with the taking of these places the first thing they did was issue this proclamation:

In a statement at the Western Wall, Minister of Defense Moshe Dayan indicated Israel’s peaceful intent and pledged to preserve religious freedom for all faiths in Jerusalem:

To our Arab neighbors we extend, especially at this hour, the hand of peace. To members of the other religions, Christians and Muslims, I hereby promise faithfully that their full freedom and all their religious rights will be preserved. We did not come to Jerusalem to conquer the Holy Places of others

al-Qaida are good brand of Islamic terrorists.

They are far better than Hezbollahs.

So many are screaming in the US and other nations: arm al-Qaida in Syria as they are fighting Assad.

You see: any day Saudis and Pakis can control their "peaceful" al-Qaida people!!!!

FedupwithFed...thank you for an excellent post!!!

FedupwithFed's post is not "excellent." It is plagiarized from World Nut Daily. Palestinians have been inhabiting "Palestine" since at least 1150 B.C., that was the first reference to Palestine and Palestinian people known to exist. Palestinians are descendants of those people and they have practiced Judaism, Christianity and Islam during periods of their history. Also, it was not only Jews fleeing persecution from Eastern Europe, but from all of Europe, and it was the Ottoman Empire that gave them sanctuary.

Tbenton, your post is also false. Except for the period that FedupwithFed mentioned. When Muslims controlled Jerusalem, it was open to Jews. Romans and Christians had barred Jews from entering the City. When Jerusalem was conquered in 638 AD by Arabs with the aid of Jews, they were allowed back into the city and to visit Holy Sites. And Jews and Muslims lived side by side in the City for centuries. When Israel and Palestine were partitioned under the British Mandate, Jerusalem was not to be part of either area and was suppose to be an "open city" When war broke out in 1948, both sides occupied parts of the city and when the armistice was signed, it was partitioned.

Palestinians have been inhabiting "Palestine" since at least 1150 B.C.

There has never been in world history, a nation or independent state, named Palestine.

If there was, who was it's king, ruler, or potentate? when did it cease it's existence. What caused the end of historic Palestine ? please give a specific date.

Philistines are Aegean sea people, and are Greek.Not Arab or Muslim.

Arabs invaded, the part of the Byzantine empire (known as Israel today) in the middle of the seventh century AD.

there is no historic account of Arabs living there until Mohammad sent a letter to the emperor of the Byzantine empire, requesting that he submit or face the consequences of not submitting. Invasion and unrelenting warfare.

Until 1948, there never was a nation called Israel in history either, but that does not mean there was never a group of people known as Palestinians. Palestinians are culturally and linguistically Arab. However, the are not genetically pure Arabic. I think you mean "Muslims" because Arabs lived throughout the entire Middle East at that time.

@Ron-975213

Even the Palestinians think Mohamed Merah is nuts which says something since most Palis are one brain cell away from being just like him.

Raddave,

You are quick to condemn, now please back it up with proof, all I see are empty words.

Raddave,

You might want to pick up a book written by Josephus Flalvius who was a Jewish General when the Romans destoyed Jerusalem in 79 AD, he has a whole history of the Jewish Nation and this book was written in about 85 AD. I have one that was printed on a printing press in New York in 1792, so yes there was a nation of Israel long before the Palestinians even existed.

Raddave,

Sorry, it was written in my pamphlet on my upcoming trip to Israel! That doesnt make it untrue!

I wonder if we'll see the French Muslim population rioting and burning as a result of this outcome.

Any bets?

Maybe the French are like the U.S. and didnt want to "racial profile" this terrorist.

You get to Pakistan by plane, boat or by camel. You could attempt to hitch-hike also.

As for how he escaped? If you read the articles, supposedly he was released by the Americans.

Of course murdering woman and children or anyone for that matter is wrong. What is wrong with a lot of the commentary is revenge and hatred based on tribal instincts and customs whether religious or other wise. Bin Laden religious extremist, Timothy McVeigh religious extremis, Baruch Goldstein in Israel who shot down thirty or forty muslims praying in a mosque religious extremist. The argument that they have more than we do is lame. It begins in the home as children are taught to hate. Look at people as humans instead of rival tribal members. It is sickening.

He never went to Pakistan or Afghanistan....if you know how to read french...you can read more.

You info is based on speculation that was never corrected by OUR media, as usaul.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2012/03/22/01016-20120322ARTFIG00379-toulouse-le-raid-utilise-la-strategie-de-l-epuisement.php

15h18: Le Pakistan et l'Afghanistan, mais aussi les forces américaines et celles de l'Otan dans ce pays, assurent n'avoir aucune trace des séjours de Mohamed Merah, contrairement aux déclarations des autorités françaises.

My error on #7 above: "weak minded"

JG,

"Only the very weak minding follow extreme radical behavior. His statement that killing 7 people brought France to their knees....well, only a sick mind would say that. The large country of France is hardly on their knees!"

Right! I think this guy was suffering from delusions of grandeur or megalomania. That seems to be an affliction common to the criminally minded.

The tree is known by its fruit.

Islam teaches followers to kill innocent men women and children. To say it's a religion of peace is the most ridiculous statement of the liberal world. The Islamic world has been waging war since the beginning of time. Just a few years ago thousands of Americans were killed in the name of Islam and now innocent children in France. It's time the world understands that this is indeed a war of religion and the civilised world will not be safe until they eliminate the problem once and for all.

Since the beginning of time? Islam appeared aroung 670 AD.

Islam does not teach it's followers to kill innocents. Fruitcakes teach teach their followers to kill, like Adolf and Joe Stalin.

You must also remember, it was Christians who killed many more during the 40's....

Also, the Mafia is Catholic!

Pod,

"Islam is a religion of peace"

-- Barack Hussein Obozo

When did President Obama ever make such a statement? Please give a source for your "quotation".

Islam is the bastard children of Abraham. So they appeared before the birth of Christ. They were illegitimate then and still are. Beneath the poop of dogs they started out and will always be.

Hitler was not a Christian. He was RAISED Catholic to be sure. But in his twisted mind he believed that Christianity was no better than Judaism. He believed that He himself was the Messiah, coming to save the world.

mickey,

Obamination made that statement on many occasion...google it

jdo,

I did Google it, and you're right. Obama did make that statement a number of times, but he was only repeating what George W. Bush had said. This is a quote I found:

"Now, George Bush assured us that Islam is a "religion of peace." President Obama took the occasion of Osama Bin Laden's death to assure the world that "our war is not against Islam."

You remember that statement by Bush, don't you? Bush said we are not at war with Islam, but many Americans are trying to turn it into a war against Islam.

@ SRK-2447627

Abraham had 2 sons, one of them Ismael. Ismael went to create Islam. What happened around 670 AD is the prophet Mohammed wrote the Koran.

Mama --youare right --Abraham shouldn t have not been screwing around with his slave.

Ismael did not create Islam. His decedents became known as Arabs. Islam was not founded until 670 wrote the Koran. That is the birth of Islam as a religion. It was not practiced anywhere before then.

i figure he knew they were coming and may have baked them a cake...that blows out it's own candles...

Have some freedom fries.

I hope we don't read a followup article about how French officials "rushed" to bury him BEFORE 24 hours passed following his "death" like President OH!Mama did with Osama Bin Laden so he could go to Muslim HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!! Leave him out to rot and bury him with a few pounds of bacon strapped in his backpack.

"There was his religious engagement, an increasing hatred against the values of a democratic society and a desire to impose what he believes is truth," Sounds like any republican presidential candidate.

Oh, don't you all believe he went to 'his' Heaven and now he's with his 32 virgins? What a bunch of crock they get the weak minded Muslims to believe!

This murdering piece of scum is not even worthy of the soil he'll be buried in!

There was his religious engagement, an increasing hatred against the values of a democratic society and a desire to impose what he believes is truth," Sounds like any republican presidential candidate.

Now here's a clear sign that things are getting back to "normal" on msnbc's news blog.

Yeah, as soon as I saw our President referred to as " President OH! Mama" I knew we could get back to flinging political insults. And of course Adam 44 wasn't bothered by that reference. I know...let's pretend it's like an Etch-A-Sketch and start all over.

Only because I didn't see it. I tend to skim over posts written in all bold or caps.

Your smart. I hate it but sometimes it's so easy for me to get sucked into posts like that. I guess I'm just a sucker for provocateurs.

@bluelake - you are the best political insult flinger on here. You posted:

"There was his religious engagement, an increasing hatred against the values of a democratic society and a desire to impose what he believes is truth," Sounds like any republican presidential candidate."

Of course, it also sounds like every democrat presidential candidate.

Do you feel the same way about the US Army Sgt who shot 19 womamen and children in their beds?

In actuality, most of the French of Algerian origin are descendents of the 'Harkis'. Those were Algerians who

collaborated with France when France occupied Algiers and tried to put down the revolt during the 50's and early 60's.

You really need to read your history books a little better...

TBAustin the ignorant

"a French passport issued in Algeria." You need to go back to school and learn history all over again. SRK-2447627 YOU are right.

Don't you "simple minded right wing old angry white guys" get tire of singing the same old song and dance - you would rather a leader that would get us involved in another war and financially cripple this country for good. Thank god there is not enough of your type voting in the next election.

Angry White woman, would rather have anyone of any color in the Whitehouse other than the one that is there. He has spent, crippled financially this country in just the first 6 months. Give him another 4 years to bring us down to his third world upbringing, I hope that there are enough Angry White men and women along with Angry Black men and women to stop this SOB now.

What I don't get is why grown adults...who at least try to project intelligence..continue to believe that ONE man (president),runs this country and beyond?????? It's completely baffling! American policy..here and abroad has never essentially changed! It's the same idiocy in the sports world...to expect ONE player to carry the entire team...that's how it's narrated and reported. Not smart!

Actually Brock, there is a peaceful solution in the Middle East, simply leave them the "F" alone. Let them murder and kill each other in the name of their religon but the U.S. should just stay out and mind its own business.

Furthermore the the Quran teaches it's followers to lie to the infidel. You are not a good muslim if you fail to use this tool. How can you even have a dialog with a person who follows the holy teachings of "tell them what they want to hear than do the opposite if that furthers the cause of Islam"?

As you say "some Christian whacko shoot up a neighborhood or a school or a houseful of sleeping women and children". They don't do it in the name of Jesus Christ. These nuts do all their killing for "Allah". And I'm tired of people like you that lay down so as not to "offend" anyone while others pay the cost. By the way idiot...had I lived 100 years ago I doubt THIS black man would have been lynching anyone.

Why do you CARE what their rationale is? The victims are just as dead. In America, the preferred excuse is psychology, which is just another mythical crutch. Oh he fell down and bumped his head, and now he has to murder women and children. Oh someone made fun of him in school so he shot everyone in the cafeteria. Oh his stepfather molested him so now he has to pass it on. Oh he was spanked when he was 10, so now he had to torture his girlfriend's toddler to death.

Sick people commit atrocities. If one excuse doesn't trip their trigger, another one will. Different cultures produce different crutches.

My point is that demonizing an entire group because some monsters claim affiliation with it is ridiculous. There are MANY more peaceful Americans than there are monsters. There are MANY more law-abiding black people than there are drug-crazed criminals. And there are MANY more peaceful Muslims than there are crazies.

If you want to vilify an entire group, try politicians. You won't be far wrong there. But as for Muslims, walk a mile in their shoes and you might start feeling a little edgy yourself. And that would be due to people who are determined to vilify you because they need simple answers for their simple little minds.

By the way idiot...had I lived 100 years ago I doubt THIS black man would have been lynching anyone.

I don't have any reason to believe you're black, but assuming you are... ever heard of Nation of Islam? What are YOU doing about it?

Hey patter, why don't you stop making excuses for cowardly Mohammad and just condemn his actions like most decent people? Your blame-shifting is a disgrace.

PATTER123

The difference is this . The Quran teaches these actions. There are in fact many more muslims who do not engage in this behavior than do. They are considered bad muslims. Just as a person who calls himself a christian then gets drunk fornicates and does other unchristian-like behavior. He is still a christian but doesn't really practice the rules of christianity. The muslim who does not engage in jihad is like the christian who doesn't really practice christianity. The ones who who engage in jihad are not extremist, but rather mainstream, while the "good muslims' who do not engage in jihad are more like the non practicing christian. Still muslims but don't really live by the rules of islam. People need to understand that when the claim that Islam is a religion of Peace it is understood that once the WHOLE WORLD is islamic, then there is peace.

The Christian Whackos simply join the Marine Corps and kill people "in the name of JESUS." Whether or not their victims are children is irrelevant; that they are killing people in the name of their god is. Do you remember the scandal where Bible verses were used for the serial numbers of rifle scopes manufactured for the American military? But yeah, Christianity is a "peace-loving religion." Read some history books-- or listen to FOX News-- and then get back with us about that.

There are in fact many more muslims who do not engage in this behavior than do. They are considered bad muslims.

Glenn, that just isn't true. That is just hate-and-fear mongering, which empowers the criminals.

Oh Dear me!

he will die - they just want to 'milk' him for info as soon as possible so they can catch his 'friends'

Not that I disagree about the Islamic problem having to be purged from this earth. But really what can be done that everyone agree's on to kill all these mad dog's?

Take for instance, if so many think we need to kill them off, then why is the trooper who just killed all those people in Afganistan in jail? Isn't that what needs to be done? Otherwise how can we tell which one's are the mad dog's that need to be killed until they do kill. If we are going to prevent the killing then it will take action's of killing off whole village's.

It just seem's that's not going to fly with a lot of people. But until those of Islam that say it's peaceful start proving it is. By getting rid of those preaching the murder version. Or in someway get what I have read, so I don't know how true it is, the majority of Islamic's to actually be able to read the quran for themselves. Rather than listen and believe the preverted mullahs version's. We're stuck with being killed and then killing the killer. Or else just get to killing them all now, men, women and children. Until they are gone or decide maybe they'll change religion and become jewish or some other peaceful religion instead of being hunted.

So really what is there to do accept occupy muslim lands hunting them down like we have? But that seem's to have made them united against us and cost many live's and more money than people want to spend. Or occupy and try to convert them but that just cause's the same problem and gets the converter's killed.

So until the Pope give's his blessing's for all good Christian's to kill Islamic's we're stuck with the politically correct be killed and then kill. So write the Pope to free all Christian's of guilt so they can get to killing women and children so the seed's of Islam can be stopped now. Or face it, it's going to be a long hard costly struggle that some how the troop's will have to occupy some part of the middle east to stay within killing range. Or do something no one really want's to do but will erase a good portion of the probable population of future Islamic's and a little of everything else to.

Yes, let's kill all the mad dog's, sound's good but just how to is the question?

@Maddy,

umm...would it be fair to suggest that you could very well be another 'George Zimmerman' in the making? Also, I was not aware that direct writings that advocate commiting mass murders on whole groups of humans was permitted, or welcomed on these boards. Would WHO the death threats are directed to have any bearing on blocking such a sickly mind from posting such threats? Just curious and concerned...

We don't have to kill them all. Just begin to understand who they are, no more PC bulls@^#t. Start By cutting them off from the rest of the world. If A country is under Sharia law, they are Muslim. That's it then nobody from that country allowed in our or another country. Treat them like the wild & dangerous animals they are. If i see a bear in the wood i keep my distance not giving him the chance at me.

Another observation is the typical highly-strung semi-illiterate, rambling contained within the writing of obviously frightened and disturbed individuals. Please calm down and heal yourself!

So true Brother. He is no Muslim and yes, the media plays a big part in labeling criminals. Notice that if it is a Muslim name , they label that party a terrorist, but if it's non Muslim then the person has mental/ emotional issues and it was an isolated incident. People ask why we say our religion is peaceful and it's because it is. But know this, although it is the most populous religion in the world, it also the one most scrutinized, under the microscope always. Salaam, Rajia Haque

Should be under the gun instead of microscope. Need to eradicate this disease as soon as possible before it spreads more than the black plague.

You are attempting to compare apples and oranges. the American soldier issue is a one time event. Wanton, cold blooded indescriminate killing by muslims is an everyday, many times a day, event. thus there is no comparison.

And it's interesting that you say the media portrays the nut job who opened fire on innocent Afghan citizens as a "war hero" because I have yet to find one media outlet that has illustrated him that way. You cannot pass judgement on a society by one radical among them; you judge them by how the society responds to that radical. So far, most Americans, including myself, are praying for the worst kind of punishment for that soldier, which he very rightly deserves.

And people scrutinize Islam because Islam--TRUE ISLAM as is stated in every Quran--preaches that there is absolutely no separation between Sharia law and the law of the land in which they live (in his case, the Constitution of France). This is a mentality that most others have a hard time relating to, as no other world religion members commit serious acts of violence in the name of their God. But if they (some radical of another religion) do, THEY are the outcast, and THEY are treated as repugnant human beings who get brought to justice, not seen as martyrs.

Jaslam writes: He (Mohammad) is not different from that mad man who killed all those people in Afghanistan.

Yes, there is a big difference between a lone gunman gone berserk and a highly organized, worldwide organization with specific political and religious justifications and inspiration.

Mr. Mohammad travelled for months at a time to Pakistan and Afghanistan for advanced training by his fellow Muslim radicals belonging to such organizations.

Mr. Mohammad marinated in political and religious indoctrination and there are thousands just like him waiting for the right opportunity to commit similar atrocities.

Thousands of violent attacks are carried out every year in the name of Islam with the perpetrators shouting ALLAH IS GREAT!! at the top of their lungs while stabbing, shooting, bombing. Yet we are supposed to think that this is no different from Sgt. Bales?

Nope, not buying it.

Notice that if it is a Muslim name , they label that party a terrorist, but if it's non Muslim then the person has mental/ emotional issues and it was an isolated incident

Cheryl, did you happen to notice that it was MOHAMMAD HIMSELF who explicitly labelled himself an AL-QAIDA TERRORIST and was proud of it! That Mohammad had travelled to Pakistand and Afghanistan for months at a time for advanced training and further indoctrination in radical Islam and terrorist tactics. Try dealing with the actual FACTS of the perpetrator and his crimes.

the media plays a big part in labeling criminals

No Cheryl the media did not label him, he labeled himself unless what they printed were not his words. If you are indeed a women and they (muslims) are so peaceful then move to a muslim ruled country like Pakistan and live under Sharia Law and let us know how you feel.

And also just try to sway things when Americans go out and kill many they are also deemed as terrorists. I'm not real relegous anymore more but my teachings and book does not have me exact vengence to unbeleivers.

So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all. 8:39 submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).
Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for
Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’ Ishaq:324

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the
other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So
good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded.
As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds
apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo!
Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. 4:34

Muhammad was an opportunist, he was a power hungry warmonger. He also understood the power of the sword, which he used very effectively against an established sophisticated culture. He was a lustful megalomaniac who married his adopted son’s wife and the 9-year-old daughter of his best friend! He was mentally unstable with bouts of sweating, hallucinations and an attempt at suicide.

Yes this is the man that I would want to follow(sarcasm)

I never visit to France and I expect for Afghanistan terrors will happen to destroy Eiffel Tower in the same way as 9-11 NYC twin towers attacks. If it will happen to destroy Eiffel Tower before I have money for visit, I’d be feeling so disappointed. Because Eiffel Tower is such beautiful views that I really want to go so badly.

Ah Lori if it is destryed then you can just goto Vegas and see it

@Sambo-1760337 pretty stupid!

In answer to your question, in your particular case, as stupid as it is possible to be, short of having a flat-line EEG. I suggest you go out and buy some more tinfoil.

Sarkozy gave the "suggestion" that he not be taken alive, so as to avoid all the problems and expenses of a trial and demonstrations by other muslims over time. Fine suggestion and wonderful outcome.

@Sambo-1760337, I tell you what is a shame, beyond your self proclaimed ignorance..the fact that you believe "somebody else" is responsible for this! I won't ask which news channel you watch because that's too obvious, but I will suggest you stop being so naive and get out of the box you're living in. He filmed it!! Think real hard, who else films atrocities like this? DING! The bad guys, terrorists! You might want to google Algeria and see what the predominant religion is there as well, here, I'll help. "Islam is the predominant religion with 99 percent of the population." OPEN YOUR EYES! This is becoming a problem if you haven't noticed!

well sambo, after reading your post, I would have to say "very stupid"!!! Is that good enough for you or do you want me to expand?

Well Sambo, on one hand you are absolutely correct. It would have been fantastic to have been able to subdue the slime ball Muslim and get all the real and truthful pertinent information out of him..And your correct in not trusting what the Media is telling us..Especially in the United States where the Media is controlled by the Liberal Demoncrat Propaganda unit and the censors at the various Media Offices or what I feel are "imbedded" Liberal Demoncrat flunkies...

But unfortunately the slime ball Muslim just wouldn't co-operate and well, the low life made a very bad choice and so committed "Suicide by Cop" because he didn't have courage to do it himself..It takes a lot of guts to kill one's self and none to murder innocent and unarmed Children and Men..

So I agree with you on many of your points...But still,,They saved the Country from spending Millions on Security and Trials and also stopped the Media's adoration of another low life Islamic murderer which in itself was worth doing him in.....

he was probably...his own first cousin...

are you dense?

TBenton, I doubt you ever taught a thing. You cannot even comprehend simple English.

1) I never said people do wicked things because of their faith... YOU DID. I asked you to quit telling great lies about it.

2) I NEVER said Alexander the great stopped MOHAMMED. I said he had to cut off the advancement of the Muslims... YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

I said he had to cut off the advancement of the Muslims...

Alexander the great died in 323 BC

Mohammad was not born until 570 AD

it a simple matter of math, Muslims did not exist yet, so ALEXANDER or his ARMIES could never have encountered any Muslims.

are you suggesting time travel was involved ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad

Maybe he meant Persians?