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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 8:54 a.m. ET: Qatar-based news channel al-Jazeera has pledged not to air footage of the killings carried out in France by an al-Qaida-inspired gunman after President Nicolas Sarkozy pleaded with broadcasters not to show the disturbing scenes.
France is still coming to terms with Mohamed Merah's close-range shootings of three Jewish children, a rabbi and three soldiers in the south of the country.
The killings were filmed by Merah using a camera attached to his body, BBC News reported.
"I call on executives of all TV stations that may have the images in their possession not to broadcast them under any pretext out of respect for the victims and for France," Sarkozy said following a meeting with police chiefs in Paris.
Al-Jazeera, which received a memory stick containing the footage, later announced it would not broadcast the video because it "did not add any information that was not already in public domain" and also "did not meet the television station's code of ethics for broadcast."
Sarkozy: Some Muslim clerics 'not welcome on French soil'
Zied Tarrouche, al-Jazeera's bureau chief in Paris, told French chanel BFM TV he had watched the video and it showed all of the killing.
"You see all of the attacks carried out in Toulouse and Montauban, that's to say the murder of the first soldier, then the three soldiers and finally the attack on the school," he was quoted as telling the channel in a BBC report.
"You hear the voice of the person who carried out the killings," he added. "You also hear the victims' cries. My feelings are those of any human being who sees horrible things."
The BBC said Mr Tarrouche told the channel the video also contained a mixture of religious songs, readings and Koranic verses.
The package sent to al-Jazeera was dated Wednesday, March 21 - the day that police surrounded Merah in his apartment in the city of Toulouse after a massive manhunt, according to a report in the Parisien daily newspaper.
French special forces shot the young Islamist the following day after a 30-hour siege.
"Investigators are trying to find out whether the letter was posted Tuesday night by Mohamed Merah himself or by an accomplice Wednesday morning," the newspaper wrote.
The Paris prosecutor in charge of the case said last week that the Merah had filmed each of the shootings.
The killings, and subsequent calls for tougher measures to monitor Islamic extremism, come a month before the French presidential election.
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Hows that diversity treating you France?
Humm, interesting post. And can you name just one country that is completely homogenous? If so, are they crime-free? Good luck.
SARKOZY Write a check.......... Ask the British how that works out to get access !!!!!!!!
JK from PA Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world and is the most homogenous nation in the world. But, it also has the highest suicide rate. Crime against humanity?
Showing the French citizens any real form of the truth of these types of people will case their world to collapse. We don't even get the truth here of whats going on there. They had a teacher try to hold a moment of silence for the shooter while others were holding a moment of silence for the victims. Do we get that info here? No, because we get to know only the things the news/government wants us to hear, shaping us into what they want.
Most of us know little to nothing of what takes place in France. The bottom line is if that film was to hit the screens in France they would have riots and the French can't handle that turmoil right before elections. Everything has a political backing to it that keeps the big fat check coming to them as others struggle to pay their bills.
France brags about Freedom...But they still have no idea of the meaning! They brag about Fraternity but have nothing of the sort. They brag about Equality but yet there is nothing further from the truth.
You must be joking. The French hate muslims 100 times more than the average American does.
Additionally, why doesn't the American news media show crime scene pictures including the dead bodies, from the weekly gun slaughter rampages in the U.S.?
Hating people does nothing to resolve problems, even worse when you live in fear of them as most French do.
the french have every reason to live in fear...don't you think?
Agreed-when will we start talking about all the inner city killings here? We have a similar problem.
The only killing the left wing seems concerned about is Trayvon, mostly because the liberal idiots thought Zimmerman was a white guy.
LOL
Craig-2249226, I second the motion!
Yes, they have every reason to live in fear and thats the point .....why should they? When the French government comes to grip with the fact they suckle and cater to every need of a muslim in fear of retaliation but yet leave their own to suffer then they can make steps to correct the problems. Right now the Muslims rule the country and do so by the use of imposing fear into the French. It didn't work with me when I lived there and I found that if you stand up to them they back down real quick.
A Muslim man kills seven people in France therefore the French are ruled by Muslims, all of them radical religious terrorists. A Christian man kills 77 people in Norway and he's just a crazy man. Funny how that works...
Great job on twisting that all to hell....LMAO. There is reading and then there is comprehending what you read....Go back and read it again till you comprehend what was wrote.
Maybe this will help....
Sarkozy is the head of France but the Muslims are the neck that turns that head so who really is in control ?
I understand exactly what was written. I just find it interesting that so much hate is directed toward Islam when a Muslim commits an act of terror yet when a Christian does something far worse the outrage is nowhere close to being at the same level.
Apparently Norway isn't very outraged either. Their idea of punishment is a five star resort called prison.
Agreed papag, no killings by any religion or creed should be tolerated. I said on a previous post that hate solves nothing, I don't hate the person I hate the actions. I lived in France for 8 years and hated what the muslims were doing to people of France every time they felt an injustice. You have to admit that Muslims don't get in the news for all the good they have done for the world but they do for all the crap they have pulled.
Find a news worthy GOOD thing a muslim has done ....anywhere......thats why they continue to have a bad name and hate attached to them. If they were smart they would start building popularity with some good.....any good....to off set all the bad.
Check again. Japan has the sixth highest crime rate in the world.
Phillip, I think you claimed to have lived in France, yet you have no idea what you are talking about. The French government and society in general there, do not "suckle and cater to every need of a Muslim." They treat them like dirt. The French marginalize Muslims and do not accept them into their society.
There will never be peace between Muslims and Christians as a whole
We might as well start the war now
and just go til one side is all dead
Diversity is at the root of human evolution. Religion is at the root of destruction of human race. When trying to find the motive of a crime, considering religion the criminal says he/she is attached to (and stopping right there when it is Islam) is not going to help solve anything. Religion is for people to hide behind whenthey don't want to take responsibility for their actions and whatever a religion says can be twisted to suit whatever an individual wants to do - that's exactly how priests make a living.
Good plea by Sarkozy there to the press, whether or not it is to impress the voters in an election year. Better than the usual lies the politicians habituallty use to fool voters.
I will fight for the side to take both of them out.
raddave, any proof? I was there watched it happen over and over again everything from special housing to giving them new paved sidewalks to get to their Mosque when the elderly French had to walk on uneven dirt sidewalks for years. Don't try to claim to know what I know and don't know. I have fought with them two and three at a time trying to protect a girl from being raped on a train. What do the police do, type up a report and let them go. They block roads, prevent access to homes because they feel they have a right to do as they please when it comes to their prayer time, what to the police do....once again nothing.
I have time and time again seen it first hand all the suckling and catering so stop with trying to tell me that you know it any different. It only tells me your head is face deep in the sand .
How wonderful to hear that the gluttons in Qatar finally did find their hearts underneath all those rolls of fat.
Phillip. I lived for 9 years in Europe and your stories are complete fabrications, made up in your mind. All immigrants, especially ones from different cultures, are treated like dirt in Europe, and especially so in France. Every time a crime is committed in France, the first thing the police do is to round up any immigrant in the area and "question" them. They French demand total assimilation, but never expect their own citizens to accept any other culture into their own. You may be able to fool people who have never been to Europe, but you can't blow smoke up my ass.
Someone said above to name one homogenous country: Well, Japan is pretty close to it. And while it's not crime-free, it's pretty darn nice. I felt like a conspicuous minority on the subway over there, and a Japanese guy actually approached me in a night club and asked me (politely) how I got into the club being white. I didn't mind the racism so much, because it seems to be working for them. When their culture is nicer, cleaner, and more polite than yours, you can't really complain about not being treated equally. You respect their culture and don't make a nuissance out of yourself, and they leave you alone. Now if other cultures could just learn to respect ours.
Hey Craig-- it's doing a thousand times better than in America. Try coming out from under your rock sometime, you'll find not everything is as f'd up as America is.
Wow the white man really screwed up Styro, who knew after all these years if they would of politely tared and feathered people they could of escaped racism claims.
"Excuse me sir we really don't like your kind round here" Could you please attach yourself to the back of my truck so we can drag you around"
Just having some fun with you, I agree we could learn from some aspects of Japanese culture.
I'll agree to disagree......
Raddave - Sorry but I have to agree with Phillip on this. When I lived in Paris everyone knew how dangerous the Algerian Muslims were. If you had to walk down a dark street at night and saw more than one Algerian on the street, you turned around and went another way. I was personally attacked twice while living there by groups of Algerian men - once on a train where I had to fight them off and run away (ended up with a huge bruise in my stomach where one kicked me) and once on the street where I was blessedly saved by a larger group of men from the Ivory Coast (lovely kind people). Both times the Algerians wanted to "make sex" with me because I was a blond American and they knew from TV that all American women were loose moraled sluts, and my refusal meant I was criticizing them because they were Muslim, so they attacked me. They run amok in France and the authorities and government do nothing for fear of starting riots.
Muslims on a bus in France.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZJYPhd5rE0
coleslaw, I had run ins with Turks in Germany and the Netherlands. One because I was with a girl that a Turk thought was a Turkish girl (she was a gypsy). That does not mean that they are allowed to run amok in any country. It also does not mean that the governments of Europe are "suckling and catering" to Muslims. The only time there are demonstrating or rioting in Europe from Muslims, is when there is perceived police brutality involved, and usually it is actual brutality. Or that country passes some sort of anti-islamic legislation. Such as France, when they decided to ban Islamic dress and symbols. I sat in Rome and watch four police beat the living crap out of a Moroccan because he was selling counterfeit products and ran from them.
latekate
Thanks for the link. Wonder why they don't pull that kinda crap in America? Oh wait, I know. Because everyone not muslim on the bus would pull out their concealed weapons and martyr their insane arses for them. Got to admit sometimes there's pros to having an armed and dangerous citizenry. And before anyone get's their panties in a bind, I myself own a handgun. However, I don't condone using it against defenseless children no matter what race or religion they belong to.
How is Japan's crime rate so high? They have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. How can that be?
Uhm, because most crimes don't involve the use of a gun?
NINJAS! There everywhere!
Re Japan's crime rate: The level of corruption and organized crime in Japan is nothing short of appalling. For more information, read "Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld" by David Kaplan. You may not see the kind of violence that you see in America's inner cities, but you also don't see American mobsters opening up freaking branch offices in public like the organized criminals of Japan.
It's easy to keep your crime rates low when the police themselves are corrupt and refuse to report accurate crime statistics in the name of preventing embarrassment.
Add to that a society that fails to condemn racist and sexist behavior, and you have a country that many people posting here would find fairly hostile.
Islam must be quarantined like the disease that it is. Plain and simple. And for all of you knee-jerk PC lemmings who just think that it's a misunderstood flower of a culture, I would put my money where my mouth is and go live among them, in their homeland, for a while before accepting their parasitic, cancerous way of life.
Anyone who allows Islam into their borders is complicit in their own destruction. This isn't about race. It's about tradition... A tradition of barbarism, illiteracy, violence, hatred and genocide.
Enjoy your liberalism. Your feelings of self-satisfaction will be the last you have before those animals lop your head off.
Fitz, the NAZIs said the same about the Jews. The same was said about them all over Europe. They also said the same about the Roma, aka gypsies.
raddave, the Jews WERE NOT blowing people up or rioting in the streets. Nor were they demanding to be treated special or given special treatment because they were Jews.
Now as a person that has lived over 17 years in Europe and 5 in the Middle East, I can say that without a doubt, that people are getting tired of being accused of being racist because they say that Islam or Islamic traditions should not be treated any better than anyone else. If things do not change and the immigration tide continues on as it is, then there will be a resurgence in NAZI type actions as the Europeans really do have a problem with violent Islam and they DID NOT have a problem with violent Jews.
I suggest that the Moslems that immigrate to Europe to get away from oppression in their home lands, do not let members of your community bring the repression with them because when the Europeans finally get tired of the BS, there will be a blood letting to rival the Second World War.
ahah well, that can be said for many countries
that is PRECISELY his point!
Airing brutal killings- executions of especially the young Miriam Mosonego- is incitement to violence and Al Jazeera by airing/distributing said video for others to share is akin to aiding and abetting. It is no wonder that Qatar is always the first to publicize Al Queda videos -previously from OBL and now from Ayman al-Zawahiri. The last video from him was made public March 17,2012 in Gulf Times- whereas only snippets of the entire tape have not been made public in US- and they refer to an American citizen.;and what US should do in exchange (swab).
Sanitizing the news of this sort is the reason this country and other western democracies are so tolerant of Muslim extremists. The news keeps the real facts of the crimes off our TV's and we do not see that actual horrors and barbarism perpetrated against us. No one sees pictures of people getting their heads severed by the extremists, or our people leaping from the WTC to their deaths to escape the flames and now the crimes against the citizens of France. We reduce it to just the numbers and the people do not see the actual extent of the horror and outrage, they just hear the numbers on TV. People need to see the results of these crimes, not just hear about them, so that the proper amount of outrage can be directed at the perpetrators of these crimes.
You are correct, I can see not letting kids see this, but people THIS is the reality we live in and denial will not aide in getting to the core issues. Watch it, get mad then do something about it.
Too many times tragedies like this are a passing thought of "ohhh how terrible... hey look Bieber is coming to town! Holy crap I better get ready!"
Why isolate the kids from it? So they can continue thinking the world is a kind, loving place and killing is just like the video games--- fast, easy with no consequences?
EVERYONE should see these things... hear the death rattles... see their eyes....
Right now... we are so isolated from it that we don't comprehend the total horror of what these animals are capable of...... and we keep trying to stop it with teddy bears and hugs......
"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence."
What exactly do you think anyone will gain from seeing these videos?
I could say passiveness begets violence and it has the same value as the quote you posted.
People will gain understanding of truth and perhaps the shocking images will make them understand that this isn't just news and it isn't just a story but an event that changed peoples lives. Then maybe at some point people will understand that their actions, their governments actions are real and have lasting effects on people not just in their own country but around the world.
I really don't see how showing children being shot to death will help people's understanding of their actions and their governments' actions. I also don't see how passiveness begets violence. Violence is a fact of life, it's been happening for thousands of years, but show me one example of pacifism driving someone to commit violent acts.
The problem with sanitizing the atrocities committed is that hearing on the news that one person was killed and one injured your brain can whitewash that information. This allows you the ability to say Oh, wow, one person survived. What the news doesn't show you is the extent of that injury. Whether it be a horrific burn or loss of limbs, mental ability or mutilation. The world needs to see what these extremists are doing in the name of Allah to the infidels. Which, according to the Quran is ALL non Muslims.
There are people of every religion who interpret their religious texts too literally or miss the point altogether. The fact that this includes Muslims says nothing about their religion in particular.
I assume since you are so perturbed about reality being sanitized you must have been outraged that you had to get the video of Christians in a helicopter killing Muslim civilians from Wikileaks instead of the US news media.
No one needs to see these images or videos. We all have different realities even within the same society. So this horrific act is no more realty than teddy bears and hugs.
My girls will get teddy bears and hugs you give yours death scenes and violence. Then sit back and wonder how violence keeps perpetuating itself.
So no we don't need to glorify or help the killer produce his home movie. We know what happened and my kids don't need to actually see it.
Sanitizing the news is the only thing keeping the second amendment from being repealed.
What do you mean by "the Muslim issue?"
Dear Friends,
Islam is all about peace, one must distinguish between actions of people and the teaching of the religion. we have to be fair and just before God.
take for example, the following atrocities committed by people affiliated with Christianity, can i call them Christians? by the way, this is a small sample.
Hitler and Germany ,
molosovsh Serbia
, joseph kony,
joseph stalin,
..i can name hunderds... etc.
Who started the second world war ? Christians, correct?
Who killed millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Christians, correct??
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Who killed millions of Indians in North America ? Christians, correct ??
Who killed millions of Indians in south America ? Christians, correct??
Who took millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Christians, correct ??
They weren't Muslims!!! First of all, You have to define terrorism properly... If a non-Muslim do something bad..it is crime. But if a Muslim commit same..he is terrorist...
I agree but with reservation. There are most certainly things I'd not have a child see among those you describe. How do we keep that from happening? Once kids find out there's a special channel the oldsters watch, they'll watch it too - somehow and there are the twisted bodies of which you speak.
The shock value of reality is brutal. But as you say, we're insulated from it by censors whom decide what is too extreme for our viewing. Reality? Not for you buddy.
vinnyb you need to research all those claims because most of what you have said is actually not correct. slavery is till going on today in the middle east and it was going on way before the americas
If you are so ill equipped with an imagination that you have to actually see someone have his her life taken via a bullet in order to feel outrage, then I doubt that actually seeing it more than once is going to have any effect on you. People become toughened to such images after a while--and those who sympathize with the politics of the young man who committed the acts might well be motivated to make their own such video.
I do not see the value in snuff footage, myself.
I am already shocked and horrified just by knowing about this and getting the description from survivors. If you require the actual footage, then you are already too far gone in terms of desensitization, and viewing it will only add to the problem. Have a great day.
Slavery is not practiced in the Middle East and they don't bring their slave with them here.
If you think it's necessary that your kids see someone die, then rent a "Faces of Death" video.
Ah bmilleroh, most of those "deaths" are faked. LOL
@vinnyb- While there are quite a few Killings Hitler and Joseph Stalin were not Christian. I can not speak of the others because I am not certain.
The problem isn't one rogue fanatic, or one group of fanatics... It is the whole religion... the whole tradition.
Islam was created to spread like a disease, which, in the modern environment of political and social apologism, it has and will continue to. If you want to limit its spread, it must be quarantined, like any other sickness.
Any softening of this attitude, on any level, will be met with merciless destruction, beheadings, shootings, bombings... everything and anything in their arsenal... And it will all be heralded with enraged screams about how it is a tradition of peace, and the beauty of Allah.
The biggest lie to have been told in the last thirteen centuries.
Islam is not beauty or peace. It is the vilest of the vile, and has cost everyone - ethnic Arabs and Persians more than anybody - far too much.
This set of ideas must be wiped from the Earth with the same aggression that Islamists now level at the rest of humanity. No mercy. If we are to survive as anything but a horde of tailless monkeys, throwing excrement at each other, Islam must die.
Now, replace Islam with Christianity and Muslim with Christians and you will sounds like an Islamic extremist. Replace Islam with Judaism and Muslim with Jew and your name could be Adolph.
hi TNRebel,
you are missing the point. human being actions and deeds does not represent the religion teaching. we can not twist the truth.
hi johngis,
i presented you with facts but your answer/argument was " not correct" , so who is going to believe you. can you deny holocaust, can you deny ww1 , ww2, molosovish serbia, kony, rowanda, slaves collected from africa to be dumped in the sea or work as slave in the new world, Australian killing, mass killing of north america indians...... etc
raddave
http: // news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/6431957.stm
http: //www. ituc-csi.org/saudi-arabia-king-must-end-slavery.html
zupercram, this is not the country of Saudi Arabia practicing slavery any more than countries in Europe are practicing slavery because "sex slaves" are in their country. In case you missed it in the article that you posted, the Saudi government has a unit set up to combat this crime.
zupercram,
first of all who told you that saudi-arabia represent islam?
second, we in the USA are the last to talk about slavery , did you forget that slavery and discrimination was practiced for over 200 year in the states.
did you forget that England/spain/france/italy enslaved and occupied most of world?
media outlet can write anything , make a mountain from piece of grain.
raddave - You yourself said that slavery isn't practiced in the Middle East. It is. I would have equally refuted any claim that sex slavery is not practiced in Europe. Making something illegal doesn't equate to non-existence.
vinnyb-arabila -
I never said Saudi Arabia represents Islam, so I'm not sure why you said that.
Since slavery was openly practiced in the U.S. in its history, we should stand by passively while it goes on in other countries now? Bad idea.
Not really sure how that's relevant to what I said.
Firstly, the BBC is a reputable news organization. Even then, I cross-referenced. Folks like you have to attack the source when well established facts don't support their agenda. (I'm not sure what your agenda is, but anyway...) Why are you even on a news organization's web site when you seem to imply that they're all full of sh*t? Yes, that's right, there are no such thing as "facts" or "truth," we must all believe what vinnyb told us is true. Stop gathering your news from the media, everybody! vinnyb is here to tell us all what's up! Or maybe you just want another cross-reference. Here ya go:
http: //www. standardmedia.co.ke/sports/InsidePage.php?id=2000042568&cid=159
zupercream, you know what I mean by "practiced." If slavery were widespread and tolerated by the government, then it would be "practiced."
raddave - Oh, semantics... boring. No, I didn't know that you implied legalized slavery.
Go to many Muslim countries and see who is doing the medial work for SLAVE wages...
It is not the Muslims...
The contract workers have their passports held by the Arab contractors and are held in the country until their bills are paid to these contractors. For the privilege of working like a SLAVE...
This is LEGALIZED SLAVERY and is practiced by many countries around the world...
The only growth industry in Europe is illegal immigration.
With Europes native population in decline this poses a serious problem for the next generation.
You can say the same about the U.S. but I wouldn't go as far as to say that we are at a decline only due to that.
There is absolutely no reason to air such a video. It would serve only to feed the sick minds of these brutal radicals. Sarkozy's correct: show respect for the families of these victims.
Like we don't see enough violence in television. It would only serve to fuel hidden aggression if aired on national television. Which could inspire terrorism from all sides.
JK, I agree completely. No one HAS to see these murders and if they do I question their mindset. We know it happened, not showing the victims doesn't lessen the sadness or deny their existence, it simply provides the family and friends the comfort and privacy they need in this very difficult times.
How long do you think it will be before the video in question leaks onto the www? Then the hate mongers on both ends of the spectrum can get their fill of the barbarity, and normal people can get on with their lives.
Do you see now, why we Americans are in Afghanistan and were in Iraq, and will be raining death to these animals from the sky?
Showing the video is only going to what the people who made it want. They want to become famous why give them the light of day?
It is time for all of Europe to stand up and defeat radical Islam. It is no different than cancer and must be stopped.
I agree that radical Islam must be stopped but how do you find a specific hay from a haystock.
Amen!
Burn the haystack and make another with just the hay you want in it.
but you already burned the hay stack. So no other hay will trust you ever again. In fact that hay will probably band up against you in a way that they may not have, had not you burned the hay stack.
Wait, I'm lost. Where was I ...oh yeah can't throw out the baby with the bath water
Didn't Hitler try something similar to that?
raddave - in case you haven't noticed, fascism seems to be increasingly popular in America.
Mr Beck, is that you?
Radave and papag, it's So true. Islam is the new facism or nazism!
It's easy to use labels, you want to offer up any actual evidence to back up your nonsensical spewing?
TNRebel--you are aware that we have "Christian" clerics here in the US that say the same sorts of things: that is, that we should kill all non-believers who refuse to convert. Right?
All religions have extremist clerics--the only Islamic clerics that you seem to be familiar with are those in places like Iran. Not all Islamic clerics are like that, and not even all Islamic clerics in Iran say these things. It is particularly bad in Iran, however, because when the Iranis first overthrew their Shah and forced him out, they were met with armed forces from the US and elsewhere who put the Shah right back in power (and the Shah was a very Hitler/Stalin sort of "kill everyone who doesn't bow to me" sort). They finally threw him out, again, mainly because they were rallied by their clerics and now they aren't terribly keen on the US or other western powers.
Not all Christian clerics say that we should burn the gays, kill the Muslims, and put women back in the "proper place"--but there are some who do. It is a shame that there are so many extremist Islamic clerics in certain parts of the world--but both Christianity and Judaism and Islam share the first five books of the Bible (the hellfire and damnation sections), and so it isn't surprising that we share some extremism there.
What this all has to do with this one nutcase? Do we blame Christianity for Timothy McVeigh?
Miss information. The first Shaw was kind of a tyrant and not many people liked him. His son however took over which was the last Shaw that got over thrown he was not a Tyrant at all in fact he was very westernized and loved the west. He made many changes and provided freedom of religion in Iran. Although he was under a lot pressure from the Muslim clerics and often gave into there demands. The big push from him being over thrown was that he was becoming too westernized. My father and mother Barley escaped from Iran they are part of a religious minority that lived in Iran If they had stayed they would have been executed. When the iatola komani took over he killed so many people the biggest crack down was on the Bahai's in Iran. In fact Baha'i are still persecuted in Iran today in some of the biggest human rights violations. Iran would have been better off if the Shaw was never over thrown.
hakstarr, the last "Shaw" (sic) was a puppet, installed as head of state, after a CIA and MI-6 funded coup, which overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran, which was a secular government. Iraq would have been better off if they had not been overthrown.
Lou Michel CNN reporter: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, ‘What if there is a heaven and hell?’
He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon – ‘adapt, improvise, and overcome.’ Death to him is all part of the adventure.”
raddave
i love it when people think they know more about it then the people that where there. Your wrong the shah before that was not democratically elected. There was two Shahs Reza Shah and Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi
Reza Shah was fear by his people for the most part. His father was over thrown during WWII because he refused to help Britain. His son was much more for favorable then he was especially from the public stand point. Reza Shah was no more a Democratically elected then his son was. He gained his power buy throwing a coupe against the shah before him. I suggest you get some facts. The US did not help the last shah because he refused to goto war with Iraq. A promise komani kept when he took power.
There are many plenty of Iranians that still wish he was in power today and many of those that took part in the coupe have been regretting it for years.
Oh well it happens to the best of banks. How do you think they make their money they steal it from their customers everyday.
Carol, I am going to give you a benefit of the doubt that you posted this on a wrong article and are not making a dig at some one.
To me he is right it just glorifies the killers but unfortunately that is what sells papers these days blood and gore no matter the country.
Carol, If you learned how to use a period in a sentence you wouldn't sound like such a semi-literate.
And the bold italics seem like you're desperate for attention. No need to shout, we can hear you.
I'm sure you're not too small a person to appreciate constructive criticism, right?
klone...perhaps Carol has eyesight issues...bold letters = shouting is just one interpretation...I know that I can see her type better & understand her OK...bit of a puzzle is a good challenge for my brain
Carol...I see newspapers emerging as the New Religion...extending themselves into the bedrooms of the nation & making judgements against consenting adults...making sexual `sinners`wear sackcloth & ashes and go on TV asking for forgiveness and begging understanding...really sick transference of all we despise in religions of the world
good to see that at least this one time, families were spared & the shooter`s wishes thwarted
I have to agree. Please do not show any pictures glorifying Al-Quida! This P.O.S. needs to be drug thru the streets of France! Once they have gragged him completely around the city, cut his efin head off!
Welcome to Islam the religion of peace.
The Christian in Norway killed 70 more people so what does that make Christianity?
Papag, like so many others you are comparing an isolated incident to a worldwide movement.
Christianity is a worldwide movement. People have killed and maimed in the name of Christianity for literally thousands of years. So what's your point? Religious extremism is dangerous no matter what the religion.
.....sources?
Papag and Raddave appear to be Muslims. Hence they try to turn everything around to Christianity.
I have said nothing about Christianity. And, how many Muslims do you know that are named "David?"
unbelievable-3571258 - are you implying that if we were Muslims that would be a bad thing?
We bring Christianity into the argument because the view in religion is so incredibly warped in your country. People like you come on these boards and act like Muslims are the only people who have ever committed atrocities in the name of their religion or at least under its extremist influence it has on their lives.
Breivik's motivations stemmed from jingoism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia although jingoism necessarily implies the other two. Anything that creates and intensifies an in-group out-group mentality is fertile ground to breeding extremists and their actions.
Generally when the out-group is demonized to the point of being sub-human, morally reprehensible acts such as killing, kidnapping, rape, etc. are permissible if for nothing else because people seem only to guarantee applying moral standards for their own communities (in-group).
Religion, jingoism, xenophobia, homophobia, racism, and sexism have been the biggest contributors to violence and bigotry across all cultures in the course of human history. Anything that divides us and makes those differences reprehensible could not possibly bring us closer together. Human history is replete with examples of senseless violence, murder, and repression because of these baseless worldviews.
This story is about a Muslim. And Noah, maybe everything isn't a phobia. Maybe some people just don't like certain things. That is still allowed in this new world order, is it not?
Most people that don't like "certain things" do so out of ignorance and fear, hence it is a phobia.
I think extremism, religious or other wise, is dangerous. Stalin anyone? Pol Pot? Should I continue?
So Dave, everyone has to like everything or they are afraid and ignorant? You don't seem to like everything. Let's all go live in a fairytale now.
I do not like peas, but I am not afraid of them. I am afraid of heights, but it is not out of ignorance. I know full well the effect of gravity. so...what about Stalin What was his fear? or ignorance? or maybe there really is evil.
Not all Muslims are evil, but there is clearly a problem in this century. Please do not tell me of all the atrocities other religions have done I know them, but the reality is the mainstream Christianity and other religions condemn these acts when they happen.
Mainstream Muslim community usually just says we are a religion of peace and does not call them out on it and if they do it is weak and small. I know why it is because they are afraid and I do not blame them. I am not bashing Muslims just think that putting other religions in that same basket is not intellectually honest because it is a problem right now, and it needs to be addressed with love and education not insults.
There are a lot of bad things that happen that are not religious based some of the worst in our history. People pick on the religious ones and not the non-deist ones why do you think that is?
Revenge will only increase the violence. Better to keep them in a jail, offer them only pork to eat and promise them to be buried in a coffin made of pig skins facing away from Mecca so that they know that regardless of what they may have done to become a martyr as defined by their own faith they will be forever denied the paradise of 72 virgins promised by their power mad and politically motivated Mullahs. Take the power away from the Mullahs whose faith is suspect anyway and you effectively castrate the entire twisted group. I refuse to acknowledge these pigs as Islamic as they in no way represent the true faith in the spirit of Muhammed, عليه السلام.
Why would someone emigrate to a country where your ideals are an affront to the native population? Can you say “Trojan Horse”? This is one of the oldest military tactics in the world. When you cannot destroy your enemies on the battlefield, emigrate, multiply (like a bad virus) and conquer from within. Unfortunately you cannot kill a virus, you can only destroy that which carries the virus. The time has come for the United States, the French and the rest of the civilized world to wake up and smell the Koran. What you are smelling is the stench of evil.
He didn't immigrate, he was born there. He was also a violent criminal who had been coddled by the law-he should have been in jail. The authorities knew they had a young man with a Muslim background, a record of violent and non violent crime, who had traveled to Afghanistan, yet he was able to buy guns and do this. So many things wrong with this situation. In my opinion, if this guy wasn't a Muslim, he'd still be a violent criminal, Islam just provided him the vehicle and the cover. That isn't to say Islam isn't a problem for the world, it is, but this guy may well have found some other ideology in which to funnel his violent anti social tendencies if he didn't have islam. Any religion becomes problematic when its followers believe it is actually and literally true. For example, Islam and Judaism both authorize violence against non-believers and heretics. The big differences is that 90 percent of Jews, in the US at least don't think the religious texts of Judaism are literally true, and Judaism is not a proselytizing religion. I can't really speak for Islam, but it seems most Muslims really buy into it as literally true. Me, I think stupidity is more dangerous than evil, and literal belief in any religion is pretty stupid.
I think you mean the Temple Mount which was destroyed by the Roman Empire?
TN, taking a cropped quote from a chapter in the Koran, does not prove your point. The story that was cropped from is about people that were banished in caves for years and were sleeping. When Muslims freed them from the caves they said what you said above. It was about building a mosque over the caves.
AJ regularly shows extreme gore images. They are a mouthpiece hidden under the guise of "true reporting". The graphic images helps the moderates hide under bedsheets. The moment I read the headline, I knew it must be AJ.
Al Jazeera will not show this because they do not want to show Muslims killing Jews, or the results. They want it to look like Jews are evil. They will show injured/dead Palestinians all day long, and blame it on Jews. But they will not show the injured/dead Jews, attacked by Muslims, that prompted Israel's retaliation. This is another case of evil Islam driving the murder of Jews. Of course they will not show it. It has nothing to do with respect for the dead. Respect for the dead DEMANDS that they show it. This has to do with covering up the true nature of Islam!
Al Jazeera does not show snuff films. There are websites on the internet that you can fulfill your sick fantasy to see someone killed.
No, they did not show it.
Here is a retraction, printed in the Guardian:
It was also posted on the web by "gore sites" such as ogrish (low liveleak)
low= now.
eruopa also covered its eyes with nazis atrocities. it is not real if i don't see it.
Europe wasn`t the only area of the planet that ignored natzi atrocities....
But thanks to the media with morals and heart, millions of people are now searching for the video!
Asking the media not to air the video of the killings carried out by an al- Qaida-inspired gunman of his spate of deadly shootings in southern France is a wasted effort. This is a group of jackals actually get sexually aroused by morbidity. Freedom of Press has no decency and takes no responsibility for their actions when comes to the consideration of others. They create adversity and confusion to intensify the problem. See Trayvon Martin.
So, are you saying you are against the first amendment?
I think he's saying freedom of the press is often used as nothing more than an excuse by people who have no morals or accountability for their reporting.
I agree with you on this one papag, and LR Adams.
Mind telling us how you know that? Without proof, it's just wishful thinking on your part.
showing that footage is exactly what the shooter wanted & by refusing to air photos, the shooter LOOSES
I like that his plan was thwarted !
thankfully the victims & their families were spared this last agony !
Al-Jazeera has broadcast standards? Really? Also, did you notice how the shooter was referred to as a "young Islamist" and not a terrorist?
Yeah, saw that.. also how they paint the kid shot in Florida as an innocent.. showing pics when he was younger and covering up his past criminal record and his assault of the guy who shot him.. typical media spin. Our media is horrible.
Martin had no past criminal record.
terrorist is the most misused word next to "love".
Young Islamist seems fair enough.
Like, parents, teachers, policeman, jihadists, bullies, big brothers, big sisters etc..
Parents, teachers, policemen and siblings?! Going a little overboard there aren't you?
There are some people out there that say they're one and the same in most cases!
These people just state a self-evident truth.
That's wrong. The footage should have been shown to the world. That would explain to the whole world the essence of the "religion of peace" better than any words can do.
Ah, from domestic politics to current world events, bigotry is alive and well in America.
I don't hear this kind of anti-Muslim rhetoric in my country often and when I do I'm ashamed. Unfortunately it seems to be much more commonplace in America and people like me are in the vast minority.
America may not have the monopoly but it has a damn big share of the market.
We have got to stop generalizing (stereotyping) like this. Being prejudiced is so last century.
By that measure, and based on the history of slavery in our country ALL White Anglo Saxon Protestants are evil oppressors.
c'mon man....!
Of course you don't because you live in a muslim country. You keep labeling everyone a bigot but you have proved to be anti-American and anti-Christian. Do you have proof that the majority of murderers in America kill specifically for Christ? Never heard of a man screaming "Christ is great" while he stabs his daughter to death for dating the wrong boy. There are thousands of cases of muslims stabbing, stoning, burning, chopping off hands, beating, circumcising females all the while screaming Allah Akbar! Islam is a cult - the men pray without question and the women's wombs belong to Allah.
Wonder where Mohamed Merah learned to hate? There are millions of young muslim men just like him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZJYPhd5rE0
Late, you have one video of Muslims on one bus, making fools of themselves and you think this is the majority of Muslims? Do you have any proof that the majority of murderers in Saudi Arabia specifically for Mohammad? By your definition, all religions are cults. If there are millions of Muslim men just like him and there are over a billion Muslims in the world, does that mean most aren't like Merah?
I'm not from a Muslim country unless you consider Canada one. It's amazing how narrow-minded people are on this board. They automatically assume I'm Muslim or from a Muslim majority country because I choose to defend the good ones from your bigotry.
True, I'm not a big fan of America but I'm not anti-Christian per se. I am anti-religion in the sense that I don't have a problem with people having beliefs but I have a big problem with people forcing those beliefs on others or putting down other people's faith etc. etc. Religion is the root cause of so many problems throughout history.
I bring up Christianity because it's just hypocritical the way people react when a Muslim does something crazy versus when a Christian does something crazy. Religious extremism is bad no matter what religion you follow.
If you don't know by now that most muslims eat, breath and kill for islam, mohammed, koran and allah then I would say that you're pretty gullible or ignorant or well muslim. Sure it's one video but the hostile and vulgar words they are shouting is an echo from the mosques that millions of young muslims attend.
The current muslim population is close to 1 million in Canada and is expected to triple within the next ten years so we will see how Canadians react when they start demanding separate schools, separate laws, special treatment for all their religious restrictions and of course they will expect it to be paid for by the government of Canada.
Latekate the majority of Muslims do not kill for Mohammed.
papag Religion might be the root to some atrocities, but the worst ones are done by people claiming no religion. Stalin? Pol Pot? Hitler? I could keep going. And to the people that say that Hitler was a Christian. He was not he claims Christianity to gain office, but he despised it and had plans of persecution of churches once he got rid that pesky war.
Kate, I should have known better than to respond to you with anything resembling reason and I don't know why I'm about to do the same thing again. But because Canada is a generally accepting and multicultural society there will likely never be a need for Muslims to make such demands.
The most notorious arrest? More like the only significant one. The others are probably token arrests of kids saying stupid things online and the like. And since you're not familiar with Canada, I'll let you in on something: most of us see CSIS as just another Harper propaganda tool used to justify his non-sensical agenda.
You're not gonna win this one by searching Google for facts on Muslims in Canada. Maybe you should find another person to push your religious agenda on.
I don't have a religious agenda, I'm just sick of people like you who equate Islam to modern day Christianity. Medieval Christianity maybe. You should move to ME maybe then you will see the difference, hopefully you're not a woman.
Enjoy your coffee and donuts.
BTW papag - I'm pretty convinced that you are a muslim male they are always trying to downplay terrorism. Your comment about Harper and CSIS is complete BS.
Ah, more stereotyping and bigotry. Why does whether I'm a Muslim male or not matter? Although for the record I am not, I am against religion in the sense that I believe it does more harm than good. Believe what you want to believe but keep it to yourself.
I stand by the CSIS comment. On what grounds is what I said 'bs'?
They should show the video so people can see what animals these Muslims really are.
Subhuman POS
You don't really mean that. I hope.
That's like saying all people named Steve are stupid just because you are.
well said 2sense,
Steve, molosovch radical christian killed so many Muslims in formar Yugoslavia under the watch of your free world and fake freedom. did you hear this particular one, did you hear about rowanda(christian killing), did you hear about kony, ww1 , ww2, slavery in western society for hundreds of year...... many more. did you hear about Stalin atrocity, ....etc
Vinnyb where do you get your facts? Rwandan Genocide was not Christian it was ethnically motivated. Stalin not a Christian. Hitler not a Christian. These things are well known and can be easily verified by doing just a little research. Slavery a horrible blot, but a blot that has been every where and certainly not just western society. Milosevic was a Christian? If he said he was no Christians supported him. Very big difference. I could go on...
Once Milosevic began his lethal pursuit of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, the church condemned the Serbian leader. Church officials also repeatedly spoke of Serbian culpability for the crimes committed against Albanians.
To bad the French turn a blind eye to a fate that will destory them.
It may not be much, but we can give the French a little credit for banning the burka. I don´t know if any other country has done this?
William, Turkey was the first to do this.