US orders more security for troops in Afghanistan

U.S. troops in Afghanistan are being guarded more closely and are taking other steps to protect themselves from attacks by Afghan troops, the top commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, said Wednesday.

Allen ordered the measures in recent weeks after a spate of 16 attacks in which U.S. and other coalition forces were killed by Afghan soldiers. Some of the killings were believed triggered by the accidental burning of Qurans and other religious materials.

New measures include the use of so-called "guardian angels" — troops who guard others as they sleep. Americans can now carry weapons in some ministries and have moved their desks so they can keep an eye on the door. Two officers were killed at their desks in the Interior Ministry in Kabul.


While Allen did not detail the new measures in a briefing earlier this week, he acknowledged that changes had been made.

"We have taken steps necessary on our side to protect ourselves with respect to, in fact, sleeping arrangements, internal defenses associated with those small bases in which we operate," Allen said, adding that now someone is "always overwatching our forces."

Allen issued a directive "to get every single troop in the war zone to read it and think" — and to emphasize that troops should be aware of their surroundings as they go about their jobs, the military official said.

Allen issued a directive ordering troops to have at least one armed soldier on watch at all times, including during exercise, sleep and work.

“It is being prudent, that’s all,” NBC News reported a senior defense official as saying. The source added that these measures were ordered by the commander of NATO International Security Assistance Force, and that each regional commander can implement the orders as they see appropriate.

NBC's Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube, as well as The Associated Press, contributed to this report.

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WOW..I remember standing guard over sleeping comrades in boot camp..In the US ..in a combat zone who in their right mind would be so arrogant as to not have the same rules!

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#1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

Seriously? I mean somebody at the Pentagon needs to order troops to protect troops in a supposed war zone? Need the NSA to order an investigation into the pentagon. Clearly foreign and domestic enemies of the United States of America have been engaged in stealing critical information from us. Mainly, the theft of brains of our higher echelon military command structure. If Bin Laden had only known it was this easy he wouldn't have had to invest in purchasing razor blades to bring down the USA.

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#1.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:52 PM EDT

Hello folks, one of the many reasonn the Taliban forces are trying to chase the United States and their “allies” out of Afghanistan because we took over their very lucrative opium business. The soldiers are now dying for the drug trade. Since the British East India Trading Company in the 1600's the India Afghanistan area has always been the largest suppliers of Opium which has carried on today and is a multi-billion dollar business. In 2000 the Taliban had taken over and created a law that stopped the growing of poppies all the while storing vast quantities of Opium in warehouses to increase the price. Well that didn't sit well with the powers who previously controlled the opium trade. In 2001 we went to war with Afghanistan and we will be hard pressed to give back these enormous profits back to the control of the Taliban. If America was anti-drug we would have destroyed the poppy fields, we haven't!

Here is a short snippet of an article on the” war on drugs”:

The “War On Drugs” Is A $2.5 Trillion Racket: How Big Banks, Private Military Companies And The Prison Industry Cash In

News // Jul 11 2011

By David DeGraw – AmpedStatus Report

For a further understanding of how the War on Drugs is deeply intertwined with the War on Terror, the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan has led to an explosive increase in drug trade profits:

Afghanistan as a Drug War

“From a modest 185 tons at the start of American intervention in 2001, Afghanistan now produced 8,200 tons of opium, a remarkable 53 percent of the country’s GDP and 93 percent of global heroin supply.

In this way, Afghanistan became the world’s first true ‘narco-state.’ If a cocaine traffic that provided just 3 percent of Colombia’s GDP could bring in its wake endless violence and powerful cartels capable of corrupting that country’s government, then we can only imagine the consequences of Afghanistan’s dependence on opium for more than 50 percent of its entire economy.

At a drug conference in Kabul this month, the head of Russia’s Federal Narcotics Service estimated the value of Afghanistan’s current opium crop at $65 billion. Only $500 million of that vast sum goes to Afghanistan’s farmers, $300 million to the Taliban guerrillas, and the $64 billion balance ‘to the drug mafia,’ leaving ample funds to corrupt the Karzai government in a nation whose total GDP is only $10 billion.”

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#1.2 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:45 PM EDT

@trooper- Same here. It was S.O.P. If someone in command did not find someone on guard or that guard was sleeping, their ass was grass.

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#1.3 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:51 PM EDT

You seem to be ignoring the fact that opium is used to make many medically necessary drugs, such as narcotics used to control pain in post-surgical patients. Opium is not used only as an illicit drug. How much opium does the world purchase from Afghanistan for legitimate, medicinal purposes?

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#1.4 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:56 PM EDT

Yup. This new order is just publicity for already standing orders, or at least I hope so. If they weren't in effect before, then the leadership must feel pretty silly about their negligence.

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#1.5 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:14 PM EDT

Brad -

Up untill the UCMJ, under the Articles of War, Asleep on Sentry Duty was an offense punishable by up to death.

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#1.6 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:18 PM EDT

U.S. orders more security for Troops in Afghanistan

Not good enough. The U.S. needs to order them to get the fook out of that cesspool.

After that, we can always drop a cruise missile or two on Afghanistan once in a while- just to let the little darlings know we haven't forgotten about them.

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#1.7 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:23 PM EDT

New measures include the use of so-called "guardian angels" — troops who guard others as they sleep.

Here we go...What a way to turn things around for BS...The soldiers would sleep better in their own beds at home.....When is the Government going to stop feeding us BS?

Get us out of there! Leave the Afghans alone! They will never stop growing opium. That has been their business for CENTURIES....We are the only dumb ones that just found out DUH!

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#1.8 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:28 PM EDT

If we have to guarding the sleeping and are supporting the opium trade, we need to get the hell out of Afghanistan!

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#1.9 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:30 PM EDT

The infantryman carries himself with pride and arrogance. Why? He’s aware that America has lost respect for him. To many he’s a bloodthirsty animal. To others he’s too uneducated and stupid to get a regular job or go to college. Only he knows the truth. While there are few in America who claim to have respect for him, the infantryman returns from war with less fanfare than a first down in a high school football game. Yes, people hang up their “Support Our Troops” ribbons and on occasion thank us for our service. But in their eyes the infantryman can detect pity and shame; not respect.

Consider this: How excited would you be to meet the average infantryman? Now compare that with how excited you’d be to meet a famous actor or professional sports player and you will find that you, too, are guilty of placing the wrong people on a pedestal. You wouldn’t be able to tell me how many soldiers died in the war last month, but you’d damn sure be able to tell me if one of the actors from Twilight died.

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#1.10 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:34 PM EDT

Brad - Further update, I re-checked current UCMJ.

Article 113 calls for death penalty for sleepin sentinel, but only in wartime.

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#1.11 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:43 PM EDT

Is this For Real? OUR American Troops have to protect themselves from Afghan "troops" WE are supposed to be supporting??? Well then the afghan"troops" are really NOT allies at all but islamic @$$HOLE$ in Ally uniforms.

This whole thing is SICK, Let the Jews do their OWN fighting; stop wasting our healthy American Young Men for these "12tribes"; How many "jewish boys" are in uniform there in afghanistan????

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#1.12 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:50 PM EDT
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Ive been out for over 40 years, I thought that was common procedure even state side we always had fire watch and duty NCO's, never had a desk with your back against the door, duty personnel inside and sentries outside, who is running the show Marry Poppins? I'm losing faith here. its a combat zone! you don't even go to the head without your weapon, and there should be sentries all over the place. and those two officers that were shot should never have been in a position to be shot. and that staff sgt never should have been able to leave the base without authorization just who is in charge of this circus.

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#1.14 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:30 PM EDT

And another thing you don't let any one around your dump, especially if your in a Muslim country and are having sensitive materials disposed of, like their holy book. or other sensitive materials, where is the common sense. things have gotten way to relaxed. this is just stupid.

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#1.15 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:42 PM EDT

@PhantomBeast

The Jews have nothing to do with the Afgan war. No advatage is gained by having the Afgan territory for the Zionists in Isreal. Same cannot be said about Iraq though, which is a vatage point to attack Iran from two directions. The Afganistan war is just a ploy to divert attention from the Saudis who were really responsible for 9/11. I am sure there are a few Jews in the military.

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#1.16 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:30 AM EDT

Hello folks, one of the many reasonn the Taliban forces are trying to chase the United States and their “allies” out of Afghanistan because we took over their very lucrative opium business.

TrustVerify - The Taliban initially banned opium cultivation, and I believe that ban lasted until their ouster from power. Today, they may well be accommodating the desires of farmers in prime opium-growing regions, but their primary motivations are still, I believe, power an ideology.

The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement's ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world's largest crop in less than a year, officials said today.

dated from May, 2001 (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html)

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#1.17 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:50 AM EDT

Honestly from my experiences in the U.S. ARMY, these "guardian angels" is called Fireguard and CQ duty. If you were in the military and/or still in, these duties still apply after lights out and when you come back from a mission. As for the two officers who were killed at their desks in Kabul, my sympathy goes out to their families and close friends. Its a tragedy to their units as well. A soldier though, is trained and proficient with their weapons and SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THEIR WEAPONS IN ARMS LENGTH OR SLINGED ON YOUR BODY. The Army should honestly eliminate regulations on that. Its a war and that weapon is a tool for a soldiers survival. Never take anyone as anything less than a risk. A soldier's life is at risk at all times in or outside the wire. My sympathy again goes out to their families, and for other families of other branches. This war needs to end, and Veterans need more benefits and attention to their needs.

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#1.18 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:53 AM EDT

from phantombeast:

This whole thing is SICK, Let the Jews do their OWN fighting; stop wasting our healthy American Young Men for these "12tribes"; How many "jewish boys" are in uniform there in afghanistan????

from phenomenal:

. The Afganistan war is just a ploy to divert attention from the Saudis who were really responsible for 9/11. I am sure there are a few Jews in the military.

What is this, dueling delusions?

Where's the banjo music?

Neither the war, nor the 9/11 attacks are a zionist conspiracy, nor were they a Saudi-originated plot [to do what?].

Israel did not need us to be in Afghanistan, and the invasion of Iraq has, among other negative effects, magnified the influence of Iran, a much more ideologically driven foe of Israel. As to Saudi Arabia: if it was not for the oil policies of the ruling clique, we'd all be paying $10.00 a gallon for 87 octane gas and driving 2 cylinder cars and scooters to work.

    #1.19 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:58 AM EDT

    In a subliminal way this Article is trying to tell Americans more troops are going to Afghanistan.

    Yes, this IS another Viet Nam---who will protect the Security Forces protecting the US Soldiers--?

    The War is amping up again. How can the US ever get out of a War that is futile?

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    #1.20 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:43 AM EDT

    Hello dman, the Taliban like most people have allowed money to corrupt them. This is a 65 billion a crop business. They need money and lots of it to maintain their power structure like any regime. Enclosed is one of many articles you can easily Google outlining the Taliban's dependance and desire to grow the Opium trade.

    The Taliban Opium Connection

    Posted on February 13, 2010 by Matt Holzmann

    From the upper valleys of Helmand down to the outskirts of Lakshar Gah the opium poppy is the crop of choice. The poppy is easily grown and offers the highest return to the farmer, even under the crushing debt imposed by the feudal sharecropping system imposed by the warlords.

    Marjah is just one town. Opium is a way of life there now. Even in 2002, the exposure to the poppy was limited in the area. Then came the Taliban and the warlords. For you see it is intertwined. The grease of the opium trade corrupts everyone involved. The provincial governor is involved. The local khans are involved. And the Taliban have acted as the nexus of the trade. The Taliban exerts a tax on the growers, another tax on the refiners, and then another tax on the traffickers. They then provide security for shipments into Pakistan and Iran at a price as well. it is their most important source of funds. Opium and heroin permeate the southern Afghan economy from the highlands of Helmand to the Baluchi badlands.

    While Osama bin Laden was reliant upon his own wealth and donations from the Oil States, the Taliban, including Mullah Omar, Gulbuddin Hekmatyr, and the Haqqani network are in it up to their eyeballs. It is said Mullah Omar has a private stash of more than 4,000 kilos of heroin intermediate. This is what funds the Taliban. Local commanders use opium money to buy the ammonium nitrate that kills British and American soldiers in the form of IED’s and the services of jihadis. Jihad pays well in Afghanistan for a very specific reason.

    And until we understand this fundamental truth and act accordingly, we will continue to take excessive casualties. The farmers must make a reasonable living, but they must have alternatives. Until we figure this out we will not win hearts and minds. At the same time we must starve the Taliban economically. It is amazing how this can constrict operations.

    We are in an asymmetric battle in Afghanistan. The old rules do not apply. While General McChrystal applies a hearts and minds campaign, we must at the same time offer profitable and legal means of income to those who desperately need it while choking off the funding for the enemies of conciliation and stability.

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    #1.21 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:23 AM EDT

    Hello dman, the Taliban like most people have allowed money to corrupt them. This is a 65 billion a crop business. They need money and lots of it to maintain their power structure like any regime.

    It could also be argued that they are just acknowledging the wants of local farmers, whose support is ultimately crucial to the Taliban's survival. So the Taliban may be doing what they need to do to survive.

    I do not believe our presence or the ultimate fate of the regime in Kabul with be about drugs. Opium will continue to be grown in this very poor country, whomever comes out on top. The chief problem we are seeing now is that an increasing percentage of the Afghan people see us not as liberators, but as foreign interlopers.

    They want us gone.

    I sympathize with that sentiment, at least to the extent that, with Osama bin Laden dead and "buried", and Al Qaeda's base of operations in the country disabled, there is no further reason for our presence.

    It is time for us to leave.

    We should not leave precipitously, but according to an established time-table. I would accelerate this schedule whenever the opportunity presents itself, but I would not advocate we leave in the middle of the night with our camp fires yet burning to deceive any enemies.

      #1.22 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:59 AM EDT

      Hello dman, the fact remains that another country (British East India Trading Company) since the 1600's has controlled the opium trade. We aren't going to let a 65 billion dollar business go back to the Taliban. I respectfully disagree with you and believe that the reason we are still in Afghanistan is for the drug business and will continue to have a presence their because of it.

        #1.23 - Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:16 PM EDT
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        The best security is to bring our troops home. No amount of additional training, money or dead Americans will make Afghanistan a better place. Karzai and his government, with the approval of our Congress, has stolen billions of American Taxpayer dollars and our "friends" have killed hundreds of our soldiers.

        http://www.change.org/petitions/bring-our-troops-home-from-afghanistan

        Sign the petition, send a message to President Obama and Congress, bring our troops home. Thanks for supporting our soldiers.

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        Reply#2 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:15 PM EDT

        Jake, there's too much money being made. Just one more year of the highest quality opium in the world......

          #2.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:43 AM EDT
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          How about we just get our troops out of there???

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          Reply#3 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

          We can't, Tina. We can't just walk away (like a wresting match which turns out to be a bore).

          This is a war which is as complex as it can get as it continues towards only God knows where.

          How I wish we could do as suggested by the majority of Newsviners here: get the hell out of there! The sooner the better. But there are rules to every game. Unless we follow whatever rules we set for our involvement in Afghanistan, our troubles will get worse. Whether we like it or not, we have to stick to the plan. Stay long enough to get the Afghanistan army and police to be sufficiently trained to take care of at least the cities if not the rural areas, themselves, then leave. Not before.

          That seems to be what President Obama is thinking and avocate.

          I am not argueing with the president's decision.

          The Afghan security forces are already of reasonably sufficient numbers present, we should negotiate a withdrawl of our forces from Afghanistan now.

          Don't worry about the aftermath mayhems that may follow. We worry too much about what will happen to the Afghan people if we leave early. So we decide to stick round eventhough we should have left sometime ago.

          Like I said we worry unnecessarily. The Afghan army, police or people will manage somehow. In fact, they have demonstrated clearly often enough that they are already pretending life without American or NATO occupation, and want us to leave.

          Start with President Karzai. Every time it comes for him to make a statement, which he must as a leader, he makes it abundantly clear he's not on our side. He's not sensitive to his American or NATO friends. He likes to make life difficult for coalition forces. He always demands this and that that will render our fighting the Taliban less effective.

          One can wonder why he seems more and more like our enemy. Has he gone to the other side but is hedging his own survival by being neutral. Which means whether America is defeated and has to retreat in disarray, he emerges unscathed. He has the last laugh.

          I don't see President Obama having any choice but to continue this costly and unwinnable war. Nobody in his right mind, especially Obama with his reelection to the 2nd term, uncertain at best, looming, would to prolong it.

          Obama may have a reason for setting the withdrawl of all coalition forces from Afghanistan to end of 2014. It better be good. For, for three years a lot can happen or change.

          If recent events are any indication, we are in for a nasty surprise. The Afghans - whether President Karzai, his army, police, or the Afghan people - may make our presence unbearable, so dangerous that we have to leave early and in disorderly manner!

          Remember how we extricated ourselves (under fire) from Saigon, Vietnam. Although Kissenger (Secretary of state, then) did negotiate an orderly withdrawl with the North Vietnamese to allow us to leave in peace, they reneged. Viewed as retreating (routed) army, the urge to inflict further destruction on their tired-dispirited foes was overwhelming for the Vietcongs. They swarmed the South in overwhelming numbers with a vengeance. Not only G.Is. had to be evaquated but hundred of thousands of South Vietnamese who openly sided with the Americans, who had reasons to fear for their lives. All forms of transport were deployed to transport these people to safety in the US. Hundred of helicopters big and small crashed on take off due to mechanical failures or overloading (mostly the latter).

          During the mayhems people were willing to offer you millions or their life-saving in order to get on board. A lot of rich South Vietnamese managed to get away, while the poor or not so rich got left behind to suffer at the hands of the Vietcongs. Only God knew what happened to them. Were they raped, tortured, had their belonging stolen from them? If only those things had happened to them, well,then thank God!

          It was a tale of sorrow you can't imagine.

          Let's hope that will not be the scenario for our exit from Afghanistan.

          If we can follow President Obama's approach in extricating ourself from Irag will be great. While we wish it could be better - like leaving a peaceful, united, democratic Iraq - it was the best Obama could do under that circumstance. It was wise move on Obama's part to leave earlier a bit; as if he had a vision of things to come (which are happening right now in Iraq). For this alone Obama could be reelected for the second term.

          Now the fight in Afghanistan has morped from a fight against the Taliban, into a free for all. Fight among friends. Afghan troops, or any Afghan men for that matter, are suspected of viewing coalition forces not as friends who are there to help but as enemies to be killed mercilessly. No where else in the world lawlessness is forgiven as in Afghanistan. Those who killed American soldiers in cold blood were never brought to justice; no efforts to pursue the perpetrators at all. But if an Afghan is killed...No where else can a brotherly soldiers or comrades turn their guns on each other. How can you protect yourself against a friend; worse still, a comrade. A group of soldiers sometimes need to trust their lives to one of them while they sleep. As far as the scenario in Afghanistan suggests, you can't. Then, if that's so, this project is not what General Allen like to call 'winnable if.' All is lost. There's no way the present arrangement will be sustainanle, tenable. Even with the new regulation, orders, disciplines, or nightangels, or whatever the general had initiated.

          There are ten of thousands of Afghan army or police personnels our soldiers have to mingle with, work with, or even trust their lives with everyday. How can we predict when one of them wants to kill an infidel (non-believer). And you can't tar all Afghan forces with a big brush. In short, it's a frustating dilemma we have found ourselves in. We are not only doing a thankless job; but our men and women in uniform are dying doing it (not from hostile (Taliban) fire but from friendly (supposedly our friends, Afghans) fire.

          This is the worst war in the history of wars that anyone has to fight. No win-win solution. No escape. No way out. Cannot move forward or backward. No yes or no.

          When the 2014 (the set withdrawl date) comes, can we be sure we can leave? That the Taliban or even the moderate Karzai will not turn on us while we are leaving? I am sorry for the last batches of our troops, the rearguard troops, who will have to sacrifice their lives for their comrades who may be lucky to leave alive.

          Even the advance regiments or divisions who embark on planes or personnel carriers to leave are not guaranteed to be able to leave peacefully.

          The decision to leave in 2014, while agreed upon with the Afghan government, is open to interpretation. We may see it as a job done (we are done training the Afghan army and police to be able to take care of their own security), but the Taliban or even the Afghans themselves may interpret it as our defeat, retreat, and it will be a disaster for us if they should feel they have won and we are running away, and then ty to hasten our departure with an offensive of sort. Hundreds, if not thousands, of departing troops will die as a result.

          Anything is possible. How the Russians pulled out when they also had had enough I don't know. I am certain it was not pretty. Our own exit will not be pretty either, mark my word. In the end the Russians did the right thing. They left or fled, they didn't care. It made no difference. As long as the nightmares ended. If it was a bitter defeat that they were forced to swallow, so be it. They bled their economy to ruine. The Soviet Union crumbled like ten pins, like sand castles.

          People say the Soviets didn't learn from history. From the lessons of the British, in fact. For who could boast of a more powerful war or fighting machine than the English, then.

          It 's a combination of brute force, cunning manipulation of local population to fight one another to in the end weaken them (divde to rule, they call it), and adeptly trained or formed an army consisting largely of local population - or deploying army units from other Asian countries already subdued, such as India - to do the bulk of the fighting. But despite the brilliance of the colonial power, or whatever the British threw at them (the best weapons which they alone possessed then), they failed to subdue to Afghans.

          If there was any power that could defeat the Afghan mujahideens, it was Great Britain. Or, let's put it this way, if Great Britain could not subdue the Mujahideens, nobody can.

          It was an exercise - the so-called training the Afghans until they are strong enough to look after their own security - in futility.

          The Afghans don't need us. They don't love us for what we are doing (either in cooperation with them or against them).

          Everytime there's some problem involving American troops, President Hamid Karzai never minces his words in his ubiquitous reactions.

          It is not a win-win situation for the United States: never. The situation will get a lot worse (more American soldiers will die) before it will get better. It's hopeless. It's worse than even Vietnam. Even though total Vietnam deaths surpassed Afghanistan deaths, at least they died in combat...here..in Afghanistan Afghan soldiers turned their guns on their unsuspecting American comrades! Even General Allen's counter move will not solve the problem. His measure was to view all Aghans as suspect, perhaps the only way he said unless we are mind-readers, will also backfire. Now the Afghan army knows they are no more viewed as friends. So the trust between the two armies will be lost. Without trust you can't go out on joint patrol or operation; for example, when shooting starts, how do you know the bullets that hit you come from your friends or enemies.

          If I may say so, I think President Obama should cut the losses and pull American troops from Afghanistan soonest possible. Or he will emerge as the president who presides over the unnecessary killing of large numbers of American forces; and he didn't do anything to prevent it or avoid it.

          I am, however, well aware of the president's dilemma which I fully understand.

          How I wish President Obama could pull off the same feat in Afghanistan what he did in Iraq!

            #3.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:19 AM EDT
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            Uhhh, OK. Just saw CBS Evening News. Featured was a "ray gun" that the US military spent more than $120 million dollars to develop in more than a decade. It is less dangerous than a Taser, lasts about a 3 second burst of a painful burning sensation, effective in crowd control. But, the US military will not embrace it, because it is not lethal, and Afghanis may view it as a sterilization tool. What's wrong with this picture??? So deadly force is left in place of trying this out......

              Reply#4 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:29 PM EDT

              Our military is not in the business of "crowd control", they are in the business of "enemy control". If that's their primary objective, then the only logical thing to do would be to exit since we are what is drawing the "angry crowds". We are in the business of killing combatants who do not like their co-civilians to experience true freedom or strive to remove or reduce freedoms of Americans. "ray guns" are for mayors and police chiefs, bullets are the most effective means of "enemy control" ever developed. Why mess with something that works.

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              #4.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:44 PM EDT

              Israel invented the first true laser weapon, it can burn and destroy anything so long as it has enough time to overheat the target, it can turn living creatures to ash while they are still alive! Unfortunately the beam is invisible so its not terribly sci-fiish. Oh and it derives its energy from a concoction of chemicals, and consumes the energy supply very quickly. This thing would definitely control even huge crowds because they would be burned to ash and have no clue whats happening.

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              #4.2 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:28 PM EDT

              Fear of sterilization is wrong how?

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              #4.3 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:30 PM EDT

              @STexan- Two problems with the Ray Gun: 1) The delivery platform is on a truck that must remain stationary, making it an easy target for an RPG, 2) The beam can only hit one target at a time, there is no wide area targeting, which would be a problem if the weapon was used against a large and determined mob of people.

                #4.4 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:00 PM EDT

                Tina, lets just be realistic and stick with the damn timeline...its soon enough.

                  #4.5 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:17 PM EDT

                  Haha we are talking about the ray gun. Its in Call of duty World at War a game which takes place 70 years a go. Yes I am a gaming nerd.

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                  #4.6 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:34 AM EDT
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                  Ok so now the deadliest soldiers in the world need protection? If this is how bad it has gotten in afghanistan, coupled with their willingness to murder our soldiers over nothing more than a book, we REALLY need to get our people out of there.

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                  Reply#5 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:24 PM EDT

                  Hey we were murdering British solders when they were occupying their colony. Heck we are the ones occupying the Afghan nation which is not even our colony. I do agree like the British we need to get the hell out of there.

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                  #5.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:37 AM EDT
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                  Why not just get us the Hell out of there. They don't want us there and our soldier's don't want to be there. Obama and McCain and other's who want to keep this Insane war going should be thrown out of office.

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                  Reply#6 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

                  What I don't get is why Obama is not taking the solders out of Afghanistan? One disagreementwith the president in Iraq he pulled the troops out of Iraq. But, what is taking so long with Afghanistan?

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                  #6.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:40 AM EDT
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                  Hugh ZassDeleted

                  Historically, less than 15% of Army troops are combat troops. The ratio is about 1 combat to 7 support troops but there it is nation building. So most of the rear echelon not supporting may be providing services Congress deemed necessary to the Afghan nation or tribes. They are coordinating Civil Affairs and projects, spending the billions everyday. Combat troops are also providing security for them and the engineers building the projects. It would be interesting for someone to describe a base camp for the rear troops. Night perimeter guard only? Afghanistan soldiers and workers access to area's after they are allowed through the gate?

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                  Reply#9 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:43 PM EDT

                  US orders more security for troops in Afghanistan

                  They are bringing them home then?? That's great!

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#10 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:44 PM EDT

                  They are bringing them home in the same way a prisoner calls his prison home.

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:44 AM EDT
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                  Bring ALL the troops home and we don't need to worry about their security! This is a lost cause as long as Pakistan helps the Taliban. Work a deal with them and leave. No deal...leave anyway! Just get us out NOW!!!!!!

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#11 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:45 PM EDT

                  Nothing like trusting your allies!

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#12 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:45 PM EDT

                  The players in the area can't be trusted. Pakistan runs the Taliban and the ISI seems to run Pakistan. Afghanistan was/is not to be trusted as long as Karzai is President. Corrupt and just a bit crazy as well. Some "partner" or "Ally"!

                  • 6 votes
                  #12.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:54 PM EDT

                  You have to admit that Pakistan's government is a joke, they have no real power. If a person like Benizir Bhutto can be exiled and then assassinated, which politician would really step up against the real people in power?

                  • 3 votes
                  #12.2 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:47 AM EDT
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                  If we have to be on guard against our supposed "allies", then how freindly really are they? Time to call it quits and let the region do what it will. They have been fighting there for a mighty long time, and that ain't gonna stop just because we take our ball and go home.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#13 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:47 PM EDT

                  WHY in the hell does the US Military need protection?? I thought this was the best military in the world?Well, at least it was back in 1991, when I served in the US Navy.. This military has been run into the ground by the GOP, with endless deployments, over extension of our troops. Not to mention the use of illegals and foreigners in OUR military. They took it upon themselves to use the military for their holy wars with Islam. If the GOP get their way, we'll be there forever and this is just another reason to vote NO to any one of the GOPers in November. Willard Newton Santorum ALL want to start WW3 by invading a sovereign nation known as Iran.

                  We can't defeat the enemy in Afghanistan after 11+ years, how in the hell could we defend against China and Russia, both of whom will surely back Iran?

                  WE used to be the best nation in the world. BUT, with our conquering attitudes at home, its no wonder why the military now needs protection. Maybe this is the wake-up call that determines our path. Do we A: Continue on the path of occupying foreign lands, only to be occupied ourselves one day? or B: End the wars and finally focus on America for once since 1776.. For 235+ years we have been fighting someone, someplace for some reason. Time for it to end. We can't pretend to think that trying to conquer the world in 2012 is going to work. for over 10,000 years, people & nations have tried it and have failed and gone broke. I think those things are happening here in America now.

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#14 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:52 PM EDT

                  The United States needs to protect Afghanistans from unwarranted attacks from rogue United States troops.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#15 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:00 PM EDT

                  People trained in dealing death need a stronger moral compass then most. SSgt Bale lacked such a moral compass. The standard for such trusted people is higher than for others and cannot be lowered.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:59 PM EDT

                  I think its just too easy to join the army. In my oppion they need to raise their standards. I am not trying to belittle our troops in anyway. But, if people like Bales who has fraud written all over him can join, then it not saying much. Make it harder to join the army, and raise their salaries as well as their benefits. They are risking too much to uphold our interests.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.2 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:52 AM EDT
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                  I do not agree that we should withdraw our troops from Afghanistan. No, we should re-invade and re-occupy it. Then we should evict everyone from its borders-- and I do mean everyone-- and take possession of the land, claiming it as a satellite territory of the United States of America. We could then militarize the hell out of it, making it a perfect staging area for future assaults against our enemies. We could also use the oil reserves there to fuel (pardon the pun) our own economy.

                  Enough is enough, people! It is our destiny to rule the world. Our planes deliver justice and freedom in their bombs. Let us fulfill our destiny as God's chosen nation by ridding the world of all evil-doers!

                    Reply#16 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:03 PM EDT

                    Let us fulfill our destiny as God's chosen nation by ridding the world of all evil-doers

                    You are VERY dangerous in your thinking. We can't continue our occupying ways. The GOP's holy wars will destroy America. The GOP ONLY wants to stay in the mid-east to support that bastard child Israel.

                    Remove ALL troops from ANY and ALL foreign soils NOW! Until another nation gets to open bases inside America, we do not need bases on foreign lands anymore. We waste money propping up hostile nations because of cold war policies and occupations. Italy, Germany, Japan, Korea, etc, the list goes on.. We need to focus on America. We can't defeat an archaic enemy in Afghanistan after 11+ years of war, how could we even invade Iran, let alone deal with Russia and China who'll surely follow.

                    Get a grip Shandril, you're part of the problem

                    • 1 vote
                    #16.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:03 PM EDT

                    @Shandril

                    The way you are talking, you are making us sound like the evil doers. Even if we occupy Afghanistan what do we gain? Opium fields? Are you willing to occupy a whole nation and drive all their people away for Opium? What vantage point do you gain if you invade Afghanistan? Its not near any ocean so all the other nations around it can just call in a no flying zone. Future assaults against who? The whole world? Yeah because everyone will just stand by and let that happen. We are good, but not that good. You sound like a NAZI. I bet you have never seen combat but dare to preach about world conquest.

                    • 2 votes
                    #16.2 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:01 AM EDT
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                    Bring home all our troops........the hell with Afghanistan.

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#17 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:15 PM EDT

                    So now we not only have to protect the troops from the Taliban and Al Quida but now from the Afghan Army and police as well. What's the point?

                    Can't tell the difference between a friend and a foe?

                    Why waste another dime in that god forsaken country?

                    Oh I forgot, the agenda of the New World Order.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#18 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

                    I wonder why Obama is not ending this war? We pulled out of Iraq because certain immunities were not given to our troops. But, here we have actual Afghan troops attacking our troops, I think this sounds greater of the two evils. Obama bring our troops home.

                    • 3 votes
                    #18.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:06 AM EDT
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                    We do not need to be paying for more security. Intelligent leaders would bring the troops home. There is not a single valid reason why another soldier should be killed in Afghanistan. An intelligent public [That's us Folks!] should be demanding this. Maybe, if Congress worked on some important issues instead of harassing women and constantly criticizing the President, they would see what many of us see. It is time to bring the troops home. Stop throwing away our money on worthless,wasted causes like the situation in Afghanistan.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#19 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:30 PM EDT

                    Make sure you guard me closely while I am in my most vulnerable position, which is when I am in the latrine taking a nice big military dump. Nobody wants to get it with their pants and underwear down around their ankles.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#20 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:31 PM EDT

                    I hope you get your wish and such protection.

                    • 1 vote
                    #20.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:00 PM EDT
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                    This is now nothing but one big money making operation

                    Actually, it was from the beginning. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#21 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:32 PM EDT

                    I thought the security of our troops consisted of a M4, a battle buddy and the authority to use the weapon. Troops are always more secure when the Commander and Chief has their back.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#22 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:34 PM EDT

                    You forget our state of the art body armor. But, your not wearing that when you are sleeping are you?

                    • 2 votes
                    #22.1 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:09 AM EDT

                    Yes, I used my armor a lot when I was sleeping.

                      #22.2 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:43 PM EDT
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                      More needs to be done to contain our troops and prevent one trooper from making a rogue attack. We now have a demonstrated need to protect civilians from our troops.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#23 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:34 PM EDT

                      People trained in dealing death need a stronger moral compass then most. SSgt Bale lacked such a moral compass. The standard for such trusted people is higher than for others and cannot be lowered.

                        #23.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:01 PM EDT
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                        Just get out of there!

                        An illegal war started by an incompetent president NOT elected by a majority.

                        Why didn't you just send in small teams?

                        You kill 125K+ people trying to find ONE individual, who wasn't even there.

                        The military industrial complex!

                        Another military failure.

                        Give the people health care not wars.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#24 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:37 PM EDT

                        X???D....we went into Afghanistan to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden....remember? If you don't then you are nothing more than a Bush hater....pure and simple. Once Osama was killed, why did Obama not pull every American out of there? You know the same man who was against the health mandate before he was for it and the same man who said that "raising the debt limit was a sign of failed leadership". If you are upset with anyone it should be Obama.

                        • 3 votes
                        #24.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:49 PM EDT

                        ...Get a job and you'll get health care.

                        • 1 vote
                        #24.2 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:02 PM EDT

                        I hate any incompetent politician no matter what their name is.

                        What you don't seem to realize is that GWB started an illegal war in Afganistan!!

                        Seems to me you're just another person totally brainwashed by your society and possible by your religion as well.

                        Why don't you look at whats going on around the world and learn something.

                        Oohh, I forgot, you don't get the news.

                        You're in the dark, feed bull@!$%#, and, can't make up your own opinion.

                        It's really sad.

                          #24.3 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:05 PM EDT

                          X??D......your stupidity and utter lack of intelligence amazes me......GWB did not start an illegal war no matter how you spin it. But then I cannot reason with a Bush hater.....nor will I argue any longer with a fool because you will beat me every time with your vast intellect and experience.

                          • 2 votes
                          #24.4 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:44 PM EDT
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                          Get out and get out NOW!

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#25 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:39 PM EDT

                          The troops are in a combat zone, they should always be on guard. I pulled guard duty in the states when men were sleeping, if for no other reason then a fire might break out. But than again we wouldn't be having this conversation if we brought the troops home and stop playing this political BS.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#26 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:43 PM EDT

                          But the US military only recently figured out, under the tutelage of our audacious Obama and Biden that US troops stand guard duty on US military bases. (Biden's speedos are considered the most audacious military uniform in the last 500 years.)

                            #26.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:10 PM EDT

                            Military style high schools in the US have guard duty 24 hours per day, but President Obama just figured out that military bases in war zones should have troops standing guard.

                              #26.2 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:11 PM EDT
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                              Bush took the US into Afghanistan to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden and his cronies. Intelligence found Osama Bin Laden and the Navy Seals killed him. At that time our mission was accomplished. Why are we still there in any shape or form. It is now a senseless war by President Obama......The same man who said raising the debt limit was a sign of failed leadership and who opposed the health mandate before he was for it. What a wimpy flipflopper.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#27 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:46 PM EDT
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