How about you stop being an ass because someone says something with good intentions. Whether you believe or care at all for prayer ( obviously not ), either way it's your choice and I'm all good with that. But there is NO reason whatsoever to be hateful because someone says something you don't like. They didn't tell you to pray for anybody, yet in another way you are forcing your choice onto them. I can't help them, so me praying for them is just my way of doing that, where you or anybody else agree. I get so sick of people not being able to ignore something they don't like or agree with. I want to pray for these peoples, it's MY prerogative, and it's yours to do whatever you want. If you don't want to pray that is perfectly fine, but don't tell or even suggest how someone else should act or do. Mind your own self and stop being childish.

That being said, RIP to all those lives lost. And prayers for the families of those lost. I hope everyone who survived will get better and pull through without any major lasting injuries.

thank you texas law!!!!!

I second that. Thank you, TexasLaw.

Hey Billie. Hope you're doing well.

... And me too, TexasLaw! :]

Tim, most of us see little value in praying for you too unless you choose to change your ways, but we will continue to pray as it is good for us too. We will pray for people of our like beliefs and even those working against us that have little else to do make fun of us for doing so. Seek all the answers you are searching for in the proper setting. Find a good church with a strong Godly backbone. All the answers you have ever looked for are there just waiting on you. By the way, it is not just Christians that pray.

I believe in what I believe. Not all christians believe the same way, not all christians are crazy bible people who are out to tell others how and what they need to do, or tell people if they don't accept something they will go down down down. I am a man who believe in the live and let live basis. I believe in what I believe but I try to never talk about it to anybody, it's just bad grounds and some people can't handle other peoples view or take of things.

I pray in my own time and way, I don't go to church and I don't read the bible and hardly have ever. But belief is more then just a book with words, it's more than what people tell you, it's what you in your heart believe. If someone finds they don't believe in anything, that's their own will to do so and I completely agree with it. People should not believe or not believe just because of nay sayers or folks who get on them because they are right or wrong.

And it's not just a christian will to donate, everyone should donate, but not everyone has even the few dollars to donate, I know many people say it's just a few dollars you won't miss it, well some people barely barely get by as it is. While I agree if you can donate then by all means possible donate 5 or 10 here and there, that's a great thing. But it is your belief that the better intention is to instead of pray is to donate money. I believe prayer for some people is all they can do or have to offer, and I would never tell someone that is wrong or at very best such a weak thing to do. It can easily be taken as the only way to show you really care is donate some money.

Lets use this quote as a mere reference to what I'm really trying to say. " Just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to, doesn't mean they don't love you with everything they have in them. ". Too some, if you can't really do anything as far as giving them better medical care ( it's not our job, nor is there anything any of us can do ) sending some money their way may be the greatest show of care, to those who don't have the extra money even a few bucks, prayer is their ultimate way of showing they care, to some who have the money but choose to pray instead, some might call it selfish, but to those people it may be what they in their minds find to be the greatest show of care. Do you get what I'm saying?. We all believe or don't believe in many things in life. I wouldn't call someone out if they said " I don't believe in prayer but I do wish yada yada yada..." Only an arrogant person who can stand that somebody doesn't believe what they believe, or who believes in something they consider ridiculous, would call someone out... or simply just someone looking to piss some people off.

I support the right of everyone to believe or not believe in anything in this world. But I will speak what I believe when someone, whether religeous or non, tries to force their opinion OR tell someone else how they should live or act or what they should say. It isn't your place to tell others how to live, nor do I believe any of you would stand and let someone do it to you.
Be adults, learn already that people have other opinions and beliefs besides yours, even if you think it is the DUMBEST thing you have ever heard of in your life. Deal with it like an Adult.

( Tim this was not all directed at you )

But TexasLaw will bite your head off for mentioning any good intentions, other than praying that is...

I support the right of everyone to believe or not believe in anything in this world.

TexasLaw- agree with most of your opinion and beliefs are our liberty I cannot help everyone and follow Christ outside of our sphere of influence but our hearts bleed for all dead and injured in this information superhighway of the current state of earth its as though we see a lot of death and injustice and disease and crashes that we cannot control- so I pray too when I remember. I want a better healthcare system but it is not the right of all people by order of government it is something people should personal responsibility for and those that can work should work regardless of what the job is and grow up and git r done. The financial structure needs to be re structured not a complete overhaul. anyway prayer is an expression of close relationship with Christ that all people are welcomed too, it leads us to compassion and that is the point, the Lord has a plan despite these tragedies of life and people would quit whining they would bite the bullet and get a health plan and just because people are not and some are poor does not mean yo force the whole nation to get it, and

Ladislaver- what is wrong with you? I just wanted to make a comment similar to one you make when you do not know what to say to victims or people in tragedies, and now you go turn it all into politics and opened that door, see your fully scientific approach is all about humanism controlling the people and liberties not because you believe in the risen grave and hope beyond death and disease and tragedy, but rather you want control over people and that leads to tyranny.

The saved in that plane know the Lord everyone else God have mercy on the souls of men, this will happen to us all one way or another lifes not fair but God has a plan and Jesus is the Way, we do not understand completely and with prayer and guidance I know the nation can find a good healthcare plan for all without force with law. Grace and truth is the Way, there is more than we can see, faith in the Lord is any humans only hope

I just knew someone was going to come out and attempt to turn this around on me. We all have the right to believe or not believe and I support those who are religious as much as I support those who don't. It's your life.

Atleast take the time to read what I said, don't take a piece here and there and turn it to your liking. First off, if someone believes prayer isn't anything other than nonsense, but believes true good intentions are donating money then I support that. If someone believes prayer will do more, I support that.

But you see... ladislaver, was directly suggesting to Billie, prayer was more or less ridiculous and that it would be better to give them better Medical Care. In a way forcing his/her opinion on Billie, that this is the better way of doing things. Do you see the error here? He/she just couldn't deal with the fact someone wanted to pray for the victims, thats all it comes down to, they just couldn't stand that someone wanted to pray for these people so they felt the need to make a comment aimed at Billie.

I support good intentions in all forms, not just praying. Whatever you feel is a good intention whether it be, praying, donating, volunteering or whatever else it may be, I fully 100% support it. Don't make me to be the bad guy here. I am not the bad guy.

Prayer is a type of focus of energies.

TexasLaw,

I couldn't have said it better. And I note for the record that those who believe in God and those who do not have something in common. Since the existence of God can neither be proved or disproved, both sides are taking their position based on faith.

Yeah, screw good health care! You tell em, texas.

Taxes law, good job considering that prayers ARE AMERICAN HEALTH CARE these days.

"I need Health Care", "But why? Charities and prayers will take care of you".

I get so sick of texans bush killed over 4500 soldiers in iraq and LBJ with others engineered JFKs assination and to the point if god exists he caused the plane crash because god is all knowing all powerful rite .

But you see... ladislaver, was directly suggesting to Billie, prayer was more or less ridiculous and that it would be better to give them better Medical Care. In a way forcing his/her opinion on Billie, that this is the better way of doing things. Do you see the error here? He/she just couldn't deal with the fact someone wanted to pray for the victims, thats all it comes down to, they just couldn't stand that someone wanted to pray for these people so they felt the need to make a comment aimed at Billie.

I think the initial comment to which you responded was phrased in a rude way. But now the responses to that comment have gone beyond merely expressing good wishes via wanting to pray for the survivors to doing exactly what you say you don’t believe in doing, pushing beliefs on others with one person here even directing ladislaver to seek answers in a church.

I think this is why seeing people come along & say they will pray for whatever can be so irritating to those who don’t share a belief in God as well as those who recognize the multitude of religious beliefs in the world & get tired of seeing Christians talk as if there is no other truth in the world but that which they happen to believe…because it so overwhelms all other points of view in this country.

Some of us believe that it’s important to always remain open to the views of others & not just hold steadfast to the notion that whatever belief we happened to have become indoctrinated into because of our surroundings as a child must be the true one & everyone else is just plain wrong.

And then beyond that, it goes to the belief that we should be raising children to use their intellect to improve the world, to become educated so they can make the changes that need to be made & not believe in magic where they only need wish for things to change for the better & it will happen.

I wouldn’t post to someone for merely saying they will pray for someone who is injured. I would make no comment at all…if that is all they said. I would keep my thoughts to myself. But those thoughts would include those about the conflict between religious beliefs that a God knows all & yet believing that this God must be asked to help before it will do so. To me, that would be a pretty egotistic & heartless creator to refuse help unless begged for it. Obviously I don’t believe in such entities at all. I also see belief in such as a major source of the problems in the world today. Especially wars & violence by those espousing one belief against those who espouse another.

And I happen to think all the money spent maintaining places of worship & those who work in them would be better spent on the betterment of the people of the world many of whom are living in desperate situations. Yes, I know, there are religious charity works, but they must direct a large amount of the donations they receive to the maintenance of their ministries.

I know the initial post saying they would pray for the victims suggested none of this. And as I said, I think the response to it was rude & uncalled for. But I think theists have a wall around them that prevents their recognizing how much more often it is the non-theist whose comments from the heart (and mind) are pounced upon & their opinions not only criticized but their right to make them challenged by those telling them to shut up & keep their views to themselves as the theists continue on & on about God in a manner that suggests there is no room for questioning their beliefs, no room for any belief but their own.

And that’s the problem. No room. No openness to anything else despite the fact that it is this lack of openness that is at the very heart of most of the problems in the world. The my way or the highway approach to life whether it be by dictators, religious armies or the neighborhood church. Saying one is open to other beliefs or the right to express them at least is not the same as really being open & accepting to such.

I've seen a lot of people claim to be & I believe they sincerely believe that they arte, but most of the time their words will paint another picture over time.

a forced landing only one mile from an airport...so close...wonder if the fire happened BEFORE the crash

sending my best wishes to survivors in Siberia!

Master Bob

Texaslaw, you know why I don't understand you? This is a reply to the first reply you posted. How come when someone comments that they're praying it's A-okay, but someone comments that they're hoping for good medical care, and that's wrong.

Want to bet I couldn't comment magical pink pony be with those people or "Zeus saved those 11 people" without taking sh*t for it from moronic Christians? What exempts you?

You Christians always think you have some divine right to do whatever you want and to enforce your antiquated morals as laws. You claim to love the constitution, but sh*t on the first amendment and wipe your a*s with it.

Actually, I think YOU are the ass, TexasLaw. The original comment had value, good medical care instead of prayers. YOUR comments have been nothing but the usual (albeit more educated) loud posturing of someone who defends prayers and appeals to supernatural beings over actually doing something to help.

Wanting good medical care for someone CAN produce something, prayers can not. I too am sick to death of people posting "how sad, prayers go out to the family" when some tragedy is posted in the news.

Who are you praying to? The same supposed God that caused or allowed the tragedy in the first place?? The nonsense is maddening, it makes the rest of us roll our eyes and put our heads in the palm of our hands in shame at the lunacy of our fellow man. God belief is a delusion, plain and simple. You can scream like a stubborn child all you want, and scream while holding onto that security blanket, but religious belief is a plague of the mind that MUST be eradicated from our species if we are to ever truly grow up.

There are too many idiots to reply too. So I will just start with the last one. 99... This is in Russia for one, how are WE suppose to give anybody good Medical Care when our own country is having trouble doing it for all of it's people?. And again WHY Don't you people listen to what I am saying? I am not arguing for one side. I DO agree they need better medical care, but why is it mine, yours or this country's job to help them when we can't even seem to help out own people?.

I want to ask you people something, well those people who are just all for kickin anything religious in the ass and screaming that it's a plague. What do you tell your children? If your children come to believe in a higher power, read the bible, they pray, want to go to church... Are you going to allow them to have their own mind? Their own free will to do what they want and have their own beliefs? Are you going to allow them to be their own person or teach them your ways and views, which mind you isn't allowing them to be their own person.

" You Christians always think you have some divine right to do whatever you want and to enforce your antiquated morals as laws. You claim to love the constitution, but sh*t on the first amendment and wipe your a*s with it. "

You Christians?. For one I am not one of those ridiculous, make the news, ridiculous wannabe christians. I may be christian but I do not EVER talk about religion, in fact THIS is the first time I have in a LONG time, and now we see why Religion like Politics has NO good grounds for anything. People get a little butt hurt when ANYTHING religion is mentioned. Your problem is you think everyone religious ( yet only Christians ) are these ridicuous, throw the bible at you, scream what god wants, kind of people.

" I get so sick of texans bush killed over 4500 soldiers in iraq and LBJ with others engineered JFKs assination and to the point if god exists he caused the plane crash because god is all knowing all powerful rite . "

Man you get so sick of Texas for what some bastard who MOST Texas including myself cannot even stand, how much more idiotic can you get to classify EVERY Texan as a Bush supporter, that we all must like what he does because we are Texans. Goddamn ( oh no ) you people sure are quick to judge every person as a whole. Ignorance in some of these comments is amazing yet, It's been turned around ( didn't see that coming ) to twist turn and make me the baddest of the bad.

Besides Texans are some of the nicest people. Some of you wish too call me ridiculous, a moron, stupid, whatever. You might also take a look at yourself. Alot of angry, bitter, mean people.

Can't we all just get along? I love people, although many make it hard sometimes, I still love people. I would rather be happy and make friends than to be pissy and find reasons to hurt myself by hating or getting mad at other people. That's not too hard to ask for is it? Cause see the way I am? Even though most of you apparently hate me or what I say, I would still buy you a drink, or just sit and talk for a while and laugh and joke it up. At the end of the day we all have our opinions. None of us are right or wrong, it just is.

I want to ask you people something, well those people who are just all for kickin anything religious in the ass and screaming that it's a plague. What do you tell your children? If your children come to believe in a higher power, read the bible, they pray, want to go to church... Are you going to allow them to have their own mind? Their own free will to do what they want and have their own beliefs? Are you going to allow them to be their own person or teach them your ways and views, which mind you isn't allowing them to be their own person.

TexasLaw, I have never believed in God as long as I can remember down to before I had started school & held my father's hand as we walked together into church every Sunday. It never made any sense to me at all. Though, of course, I never told my parents that or anyone else for that matter. I sensed it wasn't safe to do so.

I have four grown children. Their beliefs vary from atheism to agnosticism. Despite my own disbelief, I took my children to ochurch regularly & exposed them to various religions. I made it clear to them that no one knows the truth & that it's important to decide for yourself what you believe & to accept the right of others to believe whatever they believe as well.

I wonder how many church-going theists can say the same for the way they raise THEIR children. Are they likewise schooled in & exposed to other beliefs INCLUDING atheism & agnosticism & had it ingrained in their psyche that all beliefs, including disbelief, have value to each person & should be respected. Are they likewise educated that no one really knows what's true & whether or not a God even exists & that they need to make up their own minds but respect the views of all others? I very seriously doubt that many, if any, can make this claim & be honest in doing so.

BTW, my children became wonderful, loving & caring adults who make the world a better place.

Creature girl - I do very much agree, it wasn't meant to be one sided you know? I know alot of religious families bring their children up with the religous background. Making them go to church and all that, at a young age they don't know any better and they can't stay home anyways. But once they get to the age to where they are understanding everything, I would support it if my kids chose not to believe or wanted to question everything.

I never understood it either, but as I grew up I learned and believed in my own version of it. I don't care for going to church, many religious people are very mean and very very hateful. I will never say what my view or belief is, just that I believe in whatever it is I have come to understand. Religion itself is bad, believing in something has never been a bad thing, religion makes people crazy, hateful, mean, they do bad things out of the belief it's what they were told. It's none of that to me. People are just crazy and it's just a crutch to make it right for them. If anybody was around me everyday, not one time would you ever hear me talk about religion, it's just a bad subject.

I believe you're children are great and wonderful, and I am glad they are doing great things and making the world better.

I agree that it's each person own choice to believe or not believe in something, don't just take what someone says, don't listen to people saying you need to do this or that. Like you said NOBODY knows the real truth. NOBODY can say something exists or it doesn't exists and show absolute proof for either. IF their is anything we will find out when we pass away from the world... We will either cease to exists... or something better will happen. Theres no reason to argue it.