Its not "Towering Inferno" if everyone was evacuated safely. Which is good.

If they do unexpectedly find anyone still trapped up there, should we send them OJ Simpson to aid in the rescue?

Kenny Driessen-Geeze it is sure taking a long time for that sky scrapper to implode from fire like we know they do ever since WTC building #7?

Kenny, you are an imbecile and a dick.

Quote Geeze: "it is sure taking a long time for that sky scrapper to implode from fire like we know they do ever since WTC building #7?"

You do realise the fire is at the top, not in the middle right?

And glad no one was hurt.

Kenny, Kenny, I can't believe you would still trot out these bat @!$%# crazy conspiracy theories about 9/11. Oh yeah controlled demolition and missiles hitting the Pentagon and where's the parts of the plane in Pa. and blah, blah, blah. Dude, you need to get out of your mom's basement every once in while, you know, get a life!

Sounds a lot like what happened at China's Financial Center. Let's just stack those flamable materials out of the way. Hey, let's just put them over by that guy welding...

kenny, put some threads on your tires and move out of the pit.

I wonder if Jenniferronska Joneyuvikovic has fallen to her death yet?

Why didn't they just "pull it"?

Usually they have a few main water pipes running up the full height of the building with valves that can be accessed by firefighters from several locations on each floor. They usually don't have to lug their own hoses up multiple flights of stairs, either, since most modern skyscrapers will have fire hoses in utility areas that firefighters can hook up to these valves.

Standpipes...

You might still bring up some hose, you just won't have to lay it down the stairwell on your way up, and up, and up...

Yuck, I don't even want to think about 3 minutes on the stairclimber with simulated hose/scba weights at 50lbs for CPAT, let alone 60+ floors then go do the real thing...

There should be a patch for your uniform (or pin) for every 10 floors you've manually climbed for a single fire in full turnouts/SCBA/Hose carry.

Send these guys a box of 60 Floor pins and some Gatorade! Russian Red flavor, of course ;)

sprinkler system

I wonder if vodka is flammable? If it is, I'm suggesting that from now on, that buildings under construction be a "vodka free zone".

Russians are using 2 KA-226 helicopters and 20 brigades of firemen. Federation Tower project has been going on for 10 yrs. No one hurt- only first 10 floors occupied by offices and 29 th floor. It is outside the City of Moscow. Blaze started on the 67th floor-spread to 66th and 65th fast. Trash and canvas caught fire- anonymous tells- the fire's source may have been a fan used for heating asphalt bitumen that was left unwatched. Read it all- see the Towering Inferno at http:rt.com/news/moscow-tower-catches-fire-068/

It takes Balls first - then hotel packs, or floor packs, a good operating water system, if all goes well, climb or take the elevators to the first two floor below, (that's why we make you take the stairs) lol - then it's an upward battle to the fire floor. Then every ounce of training and energy you have and lastly - luck!

WHENEVER YOU SEE SKYSCRAPERS? Do you live on a farm or something? What if they're on TV? Do you think about skyscrapers on fire then too? When you see a car, do you think, "what if it goes off a cliff? How will they tow it back up?"

They're called "standpipes". You can see their fittings out on the sidewalk below the building.

In fires that take place in Russian Skyscrapers they only use their tallest Firefighters to battle the blaze.

Sure we would. There's a couple Soyuz capsules docked up there right now that they'll be using to go home when their mission is over.

We just wouldn't be able to get any more astronauts up there in the foreseeable future.

That's for sure! We are especially lucky it wasn't on some amazingly weak fault line in the Earth's crust! Can you imagine if this fire was there? Christ Almighty! It could have burned down to the Earth's core opening up a massive vent which for sure would have spewed every last ounce of magma onto the surface of the planet. And well...you know what would happen next right? Everything would burn! OMG!

Forget OJ. You need Paul Newman and Steve McQueen. Those two could do anything!

True that! Tom8896

Damn. U beat meto the Paul and Steve doing and getting the job done. And, remember OJ didn't do it (yeah right.).

that darn son-in-law cut corners and now see what happens..

Probably not. Jet fuel burns hotter than this fire is.

Also look at the location of the fire, this is at the top. The one you're thinking of was in the middle.

Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.

Justin B.... the steel doesn't need to melt to collapse a building, it merely needs to soften, which jet fuel can easily do.

I am not an architect nor an engineer, but there are thousands who are that agree with me at AE911.org

My wood stove at home can melt steel.

It doesn't really matter how many people "agree" on something that is a matter of simple, verifiable scientific fact and engineering calculation. If a billion people insist that the Earth is the center of the universe, then all those people are wrong. If thousands of people (very few of whom are architects or engineers) insist that jet fuel can't weaken a building's substructure to the point of collapsing, then all those thousands are wrong too.

oh that's right. Because the WTC towers were brought down by explosives. And if you believe that, you sir, are an idiot.

Even if the jet fuel (kerosene) did burn hot enough to melt/soften steel it did not burn long enough to have any measurable affect. 90% of the fuel was ignited or vapourized upon impact thereby the remaining fuel (deposits and fires) were not strong enough and were not burning hot enough to melt/soften the steel...the initial heat from the collisions may have produced firballs in the range of thousands of degrees but in watching the videos those fireballs burnt out almost instanly and most of them were blown out the far side of the buildings due to the impact....the fires that were left behind burned not hotter than any other 'regular' highrise fire, such as the one seen in Moscow....I'm figurin ghtis happened quite a few hours ago and has spread downward for 3 floors.....so if it hasn't collapsed (even the top floors) as of yet then the 'fact's and 'theories' of fire melting steel are proved baseless.

Kerosene actually does not destroy stability in steel. It indeed was what bugged most investigators on the WTC. They found that the aluminum parts of the wreckage of the plane being engulfed in flames was exposed to water (sprinkler and other sources). Aluminum metal rapidly develops a thin layer of aluminum oxide of a few millimeters that prevents the metal from reacting with water. When this layer is corroded a reaction develops, releasing highly flammable hydrogen gas. The highest burning temperature of hydrogen is 2,318 degrees Celsius. Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees Celsius (2500°F).

They also found nano-thermitic residue only thermite burns hot enough to melt the steel i've seen the steel myself at a memorial and only the U.S. has NANO thermite.

The twin towers were built with trusses, not box like sears tower, no I wont call it Willis tower.

MGrinder I work in the anodizing field and your supposition is foolish the creation of aluminum oxide is never going to create enough hydrogen to fuel anything what alone a sustained fire capable of burning an entire floor of steel girders at the most we experience what is known as a gas cloud ignition after a five or six hour period of thousands of parts being ran with no ventilation and that results in one brief but loud boom.If your theory was correct the anodizing lab I work in would have burned down several times every winter and so far has had only a few GCI events which have resulted in only a few people getting nervous and one guy wetting his pants.And yes I am talking about 6061 a precipitation hardend aluminium alloy, containing magnesium and ... in pre-tempered grades such as 6061-O (solutionized) and tempered grades such as 6061-t and 6061-m all of which are aircraft grade aluminum.

Maybe WTC #7 was made out of rubber. They just say 'steel' because it sounds cooler. Pfffft! WTF is steel?

wtc7 is a different story, however Steel can be soft at 538°C (1,000°F) well below the burning temperature of jet fuel.

wtc7 fell for no reason into its foot print and was not hit by anything. explosive residue was found on the steel, this residue is made in one country only

Yes, that's what always happens when a skyscraper burns. Wait, I mean that's what has only happened once in the history of modern architecture. There was a skyscraper that burned for 4 days in San Fransisco in 1906 after a massive earthquake that never collapsed. I guess they just don't build like they used to.

Thats right Justin, It only happened once. Three buildings collapased all in one day because of fire. Hmmm.

See now here I was thinking it was the planes, but your right, a plane hitting a building wouldn't cause a single dent. I bet those people inside just left early and are perfectly fine too, all a US cover up because a plane can't effect a building at all.

Most likely negligence of cheap migrant workers; so common for Moscow.

If they wait over a year to start the investigation into the fire, then I would be suspicious that it could indeed be an inside job.

It was. It was an inside job. Believe it!

No...the conversion is correct. Well, the sig figs are incorrect.

johnbarker,

Moscow is actually in Europe, the continent. West of the Ural Mountains is Europe, east of the Ural Mountains is Asia. Moscow is west of the Urals. Most of Russia's population lives in Europe, the overwhelming mass of its land is in Asia. Most of Russia's business is with Europe, based on its Asian resources.

johnbarker,

And which continent did your education tell you Moscow was on? Last time I checked Europe and Asia are divided by the Urals. Moscow is well West of the Urals.

oops Bill beat me to it.

The border between Europe and Asia is arbitrary and most Russians consider themselves to be distinctly Russian as opposed to either European or Asian.

Similarly. most British people consider themselves to be distinctly British and not European.

In other words, to say that a building in Moscow is a building in Europe is like saying a building in Peru is a building in America.

Or like saying a building in Nova Scotia is a building in America.

Most Russians live in Europe. Which puts them closer to our nukes. Is that cool or what?

European is just a word to use when your not sure where somebody is from. Like say your talking to someone for a minute then he leaves. Your bud comes over and says "Who was that?" You say "Oh that was some European jagoff asking for directions."

@Johnbarker Peru is in America...SOUTH America

Nova Scotia is in America....NORTH America.

Cheney just got a heart transplant a week ago. I doubt his doctor would let him travel.

LOL!

forgot your tinfoil beanie again, Indi?

Only a fool would use any structural steel that has been heated in a fire of that size.

Villian157,

I suggest we send the Russians Indi Head's address. They can offer Indi a great on several truckloads of gently used structural steel, freshly repainted, but no mill specs.

Correct. Even the uninformed amongst us must remember the iconic pictures of firefighters carrying hoses and gear up the trade center stairs while people passed them on the way down.

Don't you have to have water tanks on the roofs of buildings that tal? It takes a lot of energy to pump water that high. Since it was under construction, it probably didn't have any tanks yet. It's very difficult to pump water past a certain height. The building needs large pumps to supply the water to those levels and I think most buildings have accumulator tanks on the roofs to store the energy.

Raymond,

Ignore facts much? 25% of the Russian population is NOT Muslim. Not even close. Only about 5-6% of the population are Muslim. You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Raymond,

In Jefferson County, IN, we found it was those radical gutter solderers who burned the courthouse down with their mighty blowtorch of God. I guess you're just better seeing the enemy in all things. How's the mirror treat you?

No, I've been reading stats from JOM, a technical journal published monthly by the Minerals, Metals, and Materials Society. According to them, at the high end jet fuel burns at about 1000C, and steel melts at about 1500C.

Justin B.

Heating steel to 1000C pretty well ends its compressive strenght and rigidity. Take a piece of 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" x 1/8" angle and try to bend it cold. Now heat the center to 1000C, and you can easily bend it with your bare hands.

As a welder of 30 yrs and one who has studied metalurgy you are correct some what in your assumptions. How ever the beams in T1 and T2 were coated in asbetose and the size of the beans where such the jet fuel could not have caused the collapse. I sais it then and I will say it now, those buildings were brought down by other means, no high rise before or sence has fallen from fire. 9/11 was an inside job. The bigger the lie the more apt people are to believe it.

Sea Dive,

Correct. As you heat steel, both its compressive and tensile strenghts weaken. Below glowing, the loss may not be as apparent, but is still there. And glowing red, steel responds fairly easliy to shaping by drop-forging or hand forging (hammering). At yellow glow, steel is essentially plastic, with virtually no strenght. At white, it is liquid.

Plus, the box column support was a steel/concrete matix. Concrete adds compressive strenght and rigidity. But concrete is also susceptable to high-heat fire damage and impact damage.

Sea Dive, I agree completely. I've researched almost every one of those "9/11 inside job" theories and there is nothing to any of them. Some of them are down right laughable.

One thing I've found is that some people just like to believe this stuff because iit's "fun" kinda like watching a scary movie and they get mad if you ruin it for them with actual facts.

china did it.