And it's about to get bigger...

Well, no its not...it isnt even there anymore! lol

Not right or fair to a natural born female. It takes all the attention away from THE REAL WOMEN!! That natural born male needs to go find his own pageant.

This is just a publicity stunt. Pageants have being losing ratings on TV for years. This is a lame attempt to get people interested in something from days gone by.

Is it just me or does her cheeks seem unnaturally high? Kind of makes her face look flat. I think the doctor's made a mistake when they put those cheek implants in. Her nose is really pointed as well.

Well I have nothing against transsexuals and I certainly don’t think they should be looked upon as second class citizens. That fact of the matter is though this is not an equal rights issue. As much as this person wants to be a woman she/he never will be. Transsexuals are neither men nor women but are in a category all their own and always will be. If they were actually women then people like me would not be able to spot them every time even without being able to see their Adam’s apple or hands or even to hear their voices. The feminine essence that all women exude is simply not there with transsexuals. A transsexual will always have to "act" feminine rather than be feminine. I wish they could be real women if that’s what they want but it’s just not possible. And as far as I’m concerned any kind of pageant with "Miss" in the title will always be for real women only.

I don't have a problem with the transgender issue.

I DO have a problem with beauty being defined by how good of a surgeon you have.

I don't care if it was someone born fully female. When your breasts, butt. face, legs, hair, lips, chin, etc are all man made you shouldn't even be considered. I guess that is why I have never thought "Beauty Pageants" were a good idea.

@ Ken F

Adams apple can be surgically removed. I know sometimes it is easy to spot a transgendered female. But I can tell you that it is harder to spot a transgendered male. They even start to grow beard. I do feel it is a little unfair. I have seen many transgendered males who are muscular. The way they got muscular was with hormone therapy. I am a flimsy man, I could use some muscle enhancer but I guess if I received the hormone therapy it would be considered steroid abuse.

@JOregon

I DO have a problem with beauty being defined by how good of a surgeon you have.

Agreed, Than the surgeon should be in the pageant not the contestant because the surgeon would be the artist than wouldn't he.

Wait, Americas next top model had transgendered models? who?

Ken F-2244375,

That fact of the matter is though this is not an equal rights issue.

Actually, this is about discrimination. But how many here would argue that Mr. Talackova should be allowed in the Miss Universe pageant just like Arnold Schwarzenegger should be allowed to become president of the United States?!?

"Once upon a time..."

"This is no shlt..."

"I'm not a bigot but..."

Oh My God. Who cares???? Seriously how can anybody take the time in day to actually give a crap about these issues, let alone these pageants? I don't know a single person who watches this crap anymore.

He-she's not a woman. DNA tests will point out it's still genetically a man.

I guess they now should have to put that in their rules.

What a bunch of early morning BS from the peanut gallery.

She is a woman,defines herself as a woman and looks like a woman.If you have an issue with some of her looks being due to surgery then you might be surprised that a good number of participants in beauty pageants,if not most, have had some work done-possibly more than this one.To be fair,lets disqualify any woman from pageants who had work done.

all naturely born women should excuse themselves from the competition if (he/she) is allowed to compete nongays need to make a stand on gays and they followers eroding everything from marriage now they going to beauty queens

Whats next playboy or playgirl Im confused..I'll have to remember the name.

He-she's not a woman. DNA tests will point out it's still genetically a man.

I guess they now should have to put that in their rules.

Ya well No @!$%# she will still have a y chromosome but you can't help that personally i have seen quite a few transgenders despite my young age and i can say that this woman does not resemble a man at all....and earlier i saw someone talking about high cheek bones? in the fashion industry they see that as beauty, long neck high cheek bones, slender body etc. im a guy and i have been mistaken for a women because im a bit more slender then most males, i have a long neck and rather high cheek bones (no surgery though) i would like to see a picture of her before she changed so i can see the difference

at some point you have 2 pick a side if she wants to compete as a woman then she should give back her transgender title and not compete as transgender ever again. you cant say your both when its convenient and then be only a woman when its in your best interest for profit!

I opt for a Crocodile Dundee gender check: beaver? check... boobs? check... OK, you are a woman...

Ya well No @!$%# she will still have a y chromosome but you can't help that personally i have seen quite a few transgenders despite my young age and i can say that this woman does not resemble a man at all....and earlier i saw someone talking about high cheek bones? in the fashion industry they see that as beauty, long neck high cheek bones, slender body etc. im a guy and i have been mistaken for a women because im a bit more slender then most males, i have a long neck and rather high cheek bones (no surgery though) i would like to see a picture of her before she changed so i can see the difference

What the fukk are you babbling about?

Why is she a woman" she could never make children, the most she could produce is a Budweiser..

Its funny what makeup and photography can produce.

Looks like a very skinny boy in a bikini. Oh wait, this person is a boy. Never mind.

So many hypocritical judges out this morning!

Anything and everything today is acceptable. Burn the flag, march and sign petitions to have some one arrested and lastly put a bounty on someones head. The rest of law abiding citizens are made to take it!!! This person looks like a man in drag and having genitals removed does not make a female! Politically correct.

Lusitania

Whats next playboy or playgirl I'm confused..I'll have to remember the name.

LOL already happened, forget what year it was but back in around the late 1980 to early 1990. Playboy did a playgirl of a guy turned female. It was one of the pictures/articles in the back and not a main or cover girl. Yet playboy did do one that I know about. If you never read the article about the boy turned girl. You would never known playboy did a he/she in one of there magazines.

They should have a beauty pageant for mannequins because he / she looks like one!

She's only physically a woman. No matter what she had done to her, surgically or through hormone therapy, her chromosomes are still XY stating that she is biologically a male and will always be a male. He's only a female through a transgender process and therefore should only participate in transgender competition. In my own opinion of course.

Granted, all the publicity and acceptance; but where's the handbook on 'surprising' potential male partners, love interests, etc., when trans-genders are approached? Do you immediately establish who/what you are, or you go the route of this one making the news? Just saying.....

I'm happy to hear SHE will be able to compete in this competition. Discrimination needs to be done with. Transgenders were born into the wrong bodies. If your child told you they were not happy with what god made them, would you choose for them to live an unhappy life and not be who they feel they are? Gay is not something someone decides to be at some point in life. It's what they are born into and it's no different for a transgender person. Males and females have plastic surgery all the time. What difference does it make that a transgender has plastic surgery. Are they hurting you? No. All anyone can ask for is for everyone to be happy, healthy and productive. Suicide rates are high among gays and transgenders. I would not wish this on any family to have to live with because of a decision to be happy with themselves.

SweetPea212

Transgenders should let potential dating partners know this up front.

I dont know who her plastic surgeon is, but the mans a genius!

What a freak! And what a freakin joke!

No excuse for this at all! The other contestants oughta boycott the event, drop out of the competition leaving this contraversal QUEEN to win by default!! In life, you can scrape the pickles off a cheeseburger if it accidently came with your order, but you simply can't scrape a penis off and start entering Miss Universe Beauty contests when you were born w/ a pickle!

CarlolynG, you are wrong, she was female in every way, except her body, now she is a complete female!

Once she has had the surgery, why should she have to tell her potential partners? She is a "female" now, NO male genitalia is left!

HE is and always will be genetically MALE, XY. No amount of surgery or "Hormone Therapy" will ever change that. You can tell he is a guy in the "bikini photo" from several "tells" that no amount of cosmetic surgery or Hormones can erase.

1) His leg shape, especially the knees. Those are "a man's knees". The HIPS and abdomen to the pubic arch. Men's abdominal mussels are configured differently than women's and don't have same layer of fat. Men's hips aren't shaped same as women's and are different proportion to rest of body.

2) Arms, length, and wrist proportion. Hand size and finger length.

3) Shoulder shape and proportion to hips. Men's shoulders are wider than hips. Women's hips are wider than torso. Women's center of mass is below waist in hip area. Men's center of mass is upper chest. That is why men always fail "The Chair Test" barroom trick.

4) neck/Adam's apple. He can try hide it or disguise it.

5) butt/bottom. Since male and female pelvic bones are constructed completely differently the mussel configuration is also different and thus the shape. His will never look quite right. A guy might not be able to put his finger on what it is, but in the back of his mind something will tell him it isn't quite "right".

The MISS Universe people are just being PC cowards and caving to pressure from GLAAD, ACLU and other liberal extortionists. I'm just waiting for the "discrimination" lawsuit when HE doesn't win. He will claim he was unfairly eliminated by the BIASED judges because of his "Trans-gender" status as a "protected Victim class".

Yes, @Carolyn and @SweetPea, best to weed out the bigots right at the beginning. Personally, even being a 'natural' woman, it might even be best for us to claim to be transgender as well, won't have to deal with as many jerks in the long run. Separate the wheat from the chaff.

For all the "natural women" comments. There's nothing natural about ANY of the women competing. ALL of them have had plastuc surgery.

For all the "can't have babies" comments. Do you know how many infertile women there are in the US alone? 2.1 million.

For all the religious comments. Only "god" can judge, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have internet.

I think those arguments are pretty weak.

I am with "Oregon." It used to be that beauty came with birth. Now, it is a competition about who had the best plastic surgeon. It sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it ?

I suggest an alternative Miss UNiverse Beauty Pageant : the "This-is-the-Way-I-Was-Born" Pageant. That would be much more interesting.

A woman indeed. Medical science has achieved wondrous capabilities. However, changing one's sex is not one of them. Medical science can certainly, through surgical and chemical manipulation, present the appearance of the chosen sex, but the subject remains the gender that they were born.

There are differences in DNA and skeletal structure and certain other gender specific biology that remain. Thus, the gender conversion is purely superficial.

So the pageant officials have essentially conceded that a man can win.

Who watches these pageants? The LGBT market.

And people are shocked that they allow a transgender into a competition which has an LGBT demographic? Wow... once again the conservatives of our nation show just how stupid they really are.

Well, he does have a pretty mouth.

She/he/it is still a man to God. That's what God made him to be and he will always be a man no matter what operation this guy goes through.

A person's body does not always define who they are. That is decided with heart, soul, and mind. I won't go so far to say that God made a mistake, but that Y chromosome can be very pushy and even when it wins it may not be wanted.

Why is she a woman" she could never make children, the most she could produce is a Budweiser..

There are untold numbers of born females that are unable to produce children; are they not considered women?

Brotha's brotha. You are such a doof. Transgender surgery they do not scrap the penis off. They make an incision slice it and fold it into itself to resemble a vagina. Scientifically a vagina is basically an inverted penis with the clitoris as the glans. I really so no big deal.

Jo-an, I understand what you're saying. Physically a woman, yes but still biologically a male. Nothing surgery or hormonal therapy can do to change the chromosomal make up. Woman are XX, males are XY. As of right now, there's is no medical procedure or therapy that can change that.

I am sickened by this. It's not natural or normal. It's the opposite of reality. No matter how much we do to ourselves, we are still who and what God made us to be. The End.

Leave it to Canada to queer up Miss Universe. Well I guess they just love volunteering to be in the Barrel. Canada, the laughing stock of the Western World.

The problem with this is he is a liar. He is lying about who he is, both to himself and to the pageant. How grossed out would someone be if he dated some poor man and lied about what he is? The poor unsuspecting soul!

If he were up front about it, and the pageant did not care, I say let him compete. He is not beautiful and I doubt he'll even make it through many rounds of elimination. It's the lying I don't like.

This whole flap proves how depraved and immoral the world has truly sunk, oh but of course the politically correct and lgbt crowd are jumping for joy and calling it wonderful and awesome! I think we need to allow men to compete in women's competitions and women to compete in men's now because of this and then when the women don't win if there is a physical disparity in the competition, the politically correct will 'hobble' the men so it becomes 'fair'.

It is absolutely ridiculous.

This MAN (man/woman?) should be competing in a 'men in drag' competition, not a competition for women!

If my kid came to me and said he was born in the wrong body I would take him to a psychiatrist. If he said he wanted to cut off his penis, we'd make an emergency room visit. A person who hates themselves that much has serious mental problems. What thinking parent permits a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD CHILD to go on hormone therapy??? I wasn't even allowed to drive until I was seventeen. No wonder this dude is so confused.

It has been cited over and over that the suicide rate is high among these folks. Once again, this supports the position that they are mentally ill. I've never understood how this argument is supposed to help LGBT people. Black people were and continued to be discriminated against for the last few hundred years, yet the suicide rate is not suspiciously high among blacks.

I guess some people watched "The Human Centipede" and actually considered the result a real centipede.

If I think I'm a goat...never mind.

To not tell a potential lover that you are transgendered is called "lying." I can't believe that anyone would suggest that a transgendered person has no obligation to reveal this to a potential love interest.

My wife complains that I didn't reveal just how much I like rap music before we got married (among a million other things). I can only imagine how she would react if she discovered I used to be a chick.

As far as the whole "how is this hurting you?" line of thinking, it VERY MUCH hurts me. Every individual has "their thing"...ideas or beliefs that Americans have every right to own but absolutely NO RIGHT to IMPOSE on others. No one keeps up with the timelines on these social issues. Forty years ago, it was all about civil rights. Every objection suggesting that socially subsidizing "alternative" lifestyles would erode (in principle) concepts that are fundamental to our society was met with a dismissive attitude. In 1975, LGBT folks were constantly trying to relieve these concerns by characterizing them as paranoia. If I had said "this is going to go so far as to extend in the Miss Universe Pageant" in 1975, LGBT folks would have said I was just being a bigot.

It's weird when forty years down the road, all the concerns "bigots" had on this issue are materializing right before our eyes.

I could care less about what people do in their bedrooms. But you can't dress a dude up like a girl, put him in my face and FORCE me to agree with you about what we see. So how does this story specifically hurt me? It's a painful violation of logic, a horrifying attack on femininity, a bad idea that has a powerful influence on our institutions, and has the exact opposite effect as viagra on my penis.

I am also amused by some comments that a person is who he/she feels she is. This is so funny in that I could believe with all my heart than I'm an apple, but it still doesn't make it so, same thing with brainwashed transgenders, just because they feel like they are something they are not, it still doesn't make it so! They can delude themselves to the end of time, it still doesn't truly change their DNA and nothing they can do will change that, no matter how hard they 'believe' they are the opposite.

my2fish

What a bunch of early morning BS from the peanut gallery.

She is a woman,defines herself as a woman and looks like a woman.If you have an issue with some of her looks being due to surgery then you might be surprised that a good number of participants in beauty pageants,if not most, have had some work done-possibly more than this one.To be fair,lets disqualify any woman from pageants who had work done.

She is not a woman, She is a MAN baby ... yeaa..

But seriously, it doesnt matter how much a person wishes to be something their not, they just arent. He was born legally a man, had the equipment of a man, has the genetics of a man, features of a man.. Its a man.. Regardless if anyone has work done to themself, or feels their something else.

What if we just redefine everything in life ? Oh wait we are.. marriage, religion, family structure, constitution, Political correctness..

Why is it that transgenders look like they're about 35 when in reality they are only 19? I guess you can't hide all the imperfections.

The funny thing is most of the guys posting how bad this is would have sex with this girl if they met her at a bar and didn't know she was a transgender. Maybe then she is a girl afterall :) Look one thing people need to understand this is not some game. These people BELIEVE they are the other sex, it is in their mind, and how they were born. There is huge difference between gays and transgenders, huge. Remember transgenders feel they are in the wrong body when they are born. When they are 2 or 4 years old they know something is not right. Gays and lesbians are sexually attracted to others and that doesn't happen normally to puberty.

Then its a mental disorder then if they feel their something else that that they are not.

I have this image in my mind of the guy who picks him/her up at a bar. Back at his/her house they are undressing as the guy looks at a photo pf a guy on the nightstand. He looks at his date and asks who that is. And he/she tells him that That is the "BEFORE" picture.

This is a PC Stunt. Like having Chaz Bono on DWTS. We need to show to the world how enlightened and liberal we are.

It's a GUY...He was born a guy. He will die a guy. All the cosmetic surgery in the world won't change that.

If I saw "her" walking down the street I would think to myself, "Whatever makes him happy. At least his makeup looks good." "She" still looks like a male. There's no way "she" is going to win. It's only being allowed for the ratings. If you look with your eyes and not other parts of your anatomy, you can clearly see the male features that are still very apparent. It this makes "her" happy then whatever. Although "she" may look woman-like on the outside, it doesn't change the fact that "she" will forever be a man.

If my kid came to me and said he was born in the wrong body I would take him to a psychiatrist. If he said he wanted to cut off his penis, we'd make an emergency room visit. A person who hates themselves that much has serious mental problems. What thinking parent permits a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD CHILD to go on hormone therapy???

A parent that would prefer a transgendered child over a dead one.

It has been cited over and over that the suicide rate is high among these folks. Once again, this supports the position that they are mentally ill.

If you spent your life with people who refuse to see and accept who you are, especially parents, you might be sucidal too.

Transgender is not a mental illness; they have a brain that functions like that of the opposite sex.

@Rene278 If a person is suicidal because their own family will not embrace their loved one's insistance of accepting their homosexuality and/or pretending to be the opposite sex, it sounds like that person is the one who needs help to accept him or herself for what God created them to be and stop trying to demand different.

Let me guess... because Mr Talackova's mother wanted him to be a girl, so she treated him like a girl. Thus he grew up thinking he was a girl. I feel sorry for anyone whose parents force such falsehoods upon their children!

Just to be clear, that's your story, not her story. I find your armchair psychiatry story facile and corny.

It's all biological, just like gay, lesbian and such. It has been scientifically proven that some people are born with it. In this case, this is a female inside a male body, the opposite can be true. However, bigotry is not genetic and plenty of people show that through these posts.

Jessica: Getting rid of all the immature comments and/or thoughts posted here, I want to ask you directly. My question is this: In all sports steroids are illegal in the USA. Why are or should hormones (to enhance the female traits) be legal in this situation? The HRT is lifelong. I commend TG that go through the transformation process. But in this case, there does seem to be an unfair medical/medicinal element in this discussion that I have not heard discussed much.

ChrisWanker

culheath,

I do believe I said, "LET ME GUESS" which has a tendency to imply a level of opinion lacking in validity.

And if you realize that, what was your intent in posting it?

Uhhh... gee... to provide a level of speculation for someone to comment on... like you.

@ChrisWanker... You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on this thread. Are you perhaps dealing with questions of your own sexuality? Otherwise, I'm not sure why you are so aggressive on this thread.

not so, let's be the first then. In this case, the hormones are being used to maintain the female appearance, not performance which comes from the inside without the use of drugs or hormones. It's merely an aesthetics thing which in this case levels the playing field rather than trying to rise above it. Contestants are not judged on appearance alone in these competitions. Unlike steroids, which can have some serious side affects, the hormones etc are appearance enhancing, not performance enhancing. I also don't think there's a rule against having had augmentation procedures, lips, breasts etc. I may be wrong, but at least now it's being discussed.

scientifically proven that some people are born with it

Would you be kind enough to cite a reference? I took a human genetics class this year at a research university and am not aware of this proof. Not to say it isn't true...

LordPyrinc,

LOL! Jr. High humor at its best!

And am I really being that aggressive? Or are you just being too sensitive?

Wanker, Get some help!

Jessica. F---k you. Not very lady like if you ask me. I think your male hormones just kicked in.

Who cares if she competes? She had the gender reassignment surgery, so now she's a girl.

@ChrisWanker -->

In an interview posted on YouTube, she said she knew she was a girl at age 4. Speaking with a girlish lilt, the tall blonde contestant said that she started hormone therapy at age 14 and underwent a sex change surgery at 19.

Let me guess... because Mr Talackova's mother wanted him to be a girl, so she treated him like a girl. Thus he grew up thinking he was a girl. I feel sorry for anyone whose parents force such falsehoods upon their children!

Talackova then tweeted that she he was “disqualified for being born.”

Well, someone needs to tell Mr. Talackova that it's his mother's fault for being so mental about wanting to have a girl instead of a boy... and that's why he was disqualified.

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OK, for one ... just shut your flipping mouth. She has always been a girl. Just because people like you are too close minded, to accept anything does not give you the right to judge others. I bet you're the type of douche bag that sits around, thinking up new ways to tear others down. You know, it's people like you that cause kids to go and shoot up schools.

She was born in a different body, and she has always been - and always will be - a girl. So get the @!$%# over it.

You think it was easy on her mother as well? Wow. You need some help you dumb @!$%#.

Jo-An-4354969,

Am I suppose to take that as whole-hearted advice? Or are you just blowing off some steam towards someone who has an opinion that both directly and indirectly has no affect on your livelihood.

Diamond60,

I am certain a large majority of people, including those from the LGB community, are shaking their heads over this one. Mr. Talackova is only looking for attention. He thinks that this is a positive way to garner more acceptance towards transgenders, when in truth few people will actually accept them as the sex that they are.

[now for a touch of sentimentalism]

The top picture of him is from a transgender pageant in Thailand. What's so hard with him staying with in the rules and only competing in transgender pageants?

Look if they don't allow the shemale to compete in the pageant he/she will sue for millions so their hands are tied. I hope it's only a one-time case though because it's unfair to the other fake contestants. The best looking women are the ones that look beautiful w/o makeup, like me. Not bragging. I don't have a problem with transgenders but I would never want to date a man that was once a women - men behave a certain way that is psychologically appealing to natural born women, you can change the outside but not the inside.

I'm with Chris on this. I agree on gay marriage and on equal gay rights, because the only ones this affects are like-minded people. But this 'queen' passes her-/himself off to an audience that is other-minded, and as such affects people that do not think like him. It has nothing to do with prejudice. Besides, 'natural born' women are typically able to naturally bear children...

Jessica, if you want support and credibility, start off with not calling others names that don't agree with you.

I don't get how your blaming this person for the attention this is getting. The article CLEARLY states,

"The head of Miss Universe Canada kicked her out two weeks ago after discovering that she is transgender."

So, you're claiming she turned herself in? That makes perfect sense.

I knew when I opened this article that it would be full of appalling bigoted comments. I wasn't wrong!

latekate-

They're changing the outside to MATCH the inside, that's the whole point.

sotired-

Ah yes, the old tone argument. "If only you were more respectful to the people being intolerant of you, maybe they would take you more seriously." Blame-the-victim at its finest.

Ash Plissken - I stop listening to people who resort to name-calling. Not caring what they represent. There are plenty of fine LGBT people out there who can behave in a civilized manner, so why honor people who have nothing to offer but hateful diatribes.

I think she is what she thinks she is. That's just the way it is. I get it that its just not your cup of tea, but then who are you to judge anyone Else's thoughts and feelings? LSD has changed many folks DNA in some really bad ways but that has nothing to do with the subject. Some folks get transplants and need surgery to make their lives livable. It's just some different organs and surgery now days helping those in need. Life progresses.

Just because you mutilate yourself does not make you the opposite gender.

Because, of course, all the other contestants are going to be competing only with their god-given body parts, right? Ever WATCHED a beauty pageant? She's likely to have had less work done than half the "natural" women on that stage.

You can't change dna

Actually we can change DNA...get ready for a very shocking future if you can't even handle gender identity alterations.

He is a man with a mental disorder that makes him want to look like a woman. He did not do it to make his life more livable.

And I'm certain that LSD does not change people's DNA.

Is it any wonder why Muslim countries are fighting so hard to resist becoming westernized? Sheesh.

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Ever WATCHED a beauty pageant? She's likely to have had less work done than half the "natural" women on that stage.

Actually you're right. The fact that she was born a male means that she can get by with a lower fat percentage than women. Women tend to store 10 -15% percent body fat while men tend to store 4-9%, if they are in top shape. Not to mention she will have better muscle tone and height than most of the women. I think you would be comparing apples to oranges in this pageant since the women are clearly at a disadvantage when it comes to fitness.

@markwonder

Muslim are fighting because they think like you, stuck in the past, unable to progress, unable to think past the male's superiority and unable to acknowledge that people are simply different from one another.

I think you're confusing your own argument. A naturally born female in a transgender pageant would be a female to male transsexual, and yes, they would very much let a naturally born female into a transgender pageant.

Stop being a hate monger. This woman has taken the legal, physical, mental, and emotional steps to correct the fallacy with her gender identity. If this were a trans male competing in the Mr Universe competition, I doubt you would be singing the same tune.

markwonder

Is it any wonder why Muslim countries are fighting so hard to resist becoming westernized? Sheesh.

I know this is wikipedia but check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran

Funny right for people who deny the holocaust but accept Transexualism.

Unhappy-1583758

Ever WATCHED a beauty pageant? She's likely to have had less work done than half the "natural" women on that stage.

Actually you're right. The fact that she was born a male means that she can get by with a lower fat percentage than women. Women tend to store 10 -15% percent body fat while men tend to store 4-9%, if they are in top shape. Not to mention she will have better muscle tone and height than most of the women. I think you would be comparing apples to oranges in this pageant since the women are clearly at a disadvantage when it comes to fitness.

I think the problem is not with Transexualism but with the concept of beauty itself. Our general concept of bueaty of a female tends to have many characterists of that of a generic male right. Except she has to be a female right.

JessicaSF,

Fallacy of gender identity...

Fallacy? I think you just hit upon something there!

they can't handle the truth.

Culheath--Not only that, wait until we start grafting non-living things to ourselves to amplify our abilities. Personally, I'm going for the 'third arm' al a Zaphod Beeblebrox and super-acute vision implants. Eventually, I hope to be able to copy and download my consciense onto a neural network (for the computing speed).

Wanker, you are the one with mental issues, which is why I suggest you get some help!

Can I make a suggestion? --- Keep your nose out of things that stink

therockofages,

Try not to let the rapidly flowing stream you sit in wear you down.

If she competes and doesn't win, the judges will be labelled as biased against transgender people. Let her win and no feelings will be hurt. God help us all.

@ markwonder

You know what? She looks more natural than the rest of those "natural" women. You think she is the only one with surgery and operation? Most natural are so fake now day.

Let's her compete and have judge not being inform in advance, it's a simple solution for this.

Are you kidding? Her cheekbones clearly have implants not to mention she has had a nose job which is pretty obvious. It wouldn't surprise me if the doctor shaved away some of her chin as well to make it more pointed.

Are you saying other contestant don't have fake boobs, lips, nose, eyes, butts surgery?

As much as I support her right to compete, you just stated the only logical question I've seen so far.

According to the article, she may have been shemale from 14 to 17 but all that changed by 19. So you think she was like a Hot child? Really, now that's really sick.

...which simply makes her a post-op shemale. As far as bringing kids into the conversation, that's on you.

On a purely scientific basis, your argument is invalid. This person was born with XY chromosomes and male genitalia, clearly a male. Furthermore, you cannot change the DNA you were born with. No amount of self mutilation will be able to change your natural gender, no matter what "she is on the inside".

That is nothing but pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo. As anyone who has taken so much as an introductory college level course in sexuality knows, gender identity is complex, imperfectly understood and not always reducible to which chromosomes you have. For instance guys with an extra female chromosome (XXY) have been found to have the highest male sex drives around. There is still so much we don't understand about sexuality.

Beermug,

Correct and people who state that DNA is immutable are silly...what do they think mutations are but alterations in the DNA? How do you change the DNA in every cell of the body. Try virii...it's already being done to a degree. Give the science a decade and watch out...that bar pickup you woke up to may not even have started out human. Will you care?

Beer Mug-

Chromosomes determine gender from conception. Yes, there can be abnormalities, such as the male with XXY chromosomes. But usually, doctors have no difficulty identifying the gender of a newborn.

As for the "intro-level college course in sexuality", well that is usually covered in sociology and psychology courses, both of which mostly operate on theorized explanations, not scientific facts. (Think Freud). In that case, yes, gender identity is indeed complex, and difficult to understand.

They determine physical genitalia which may or may not correspond to gender identity. And as far as "theory" is concerned, the tired (and misleading) whipping post of the right, I'll remind you that evolution and gravity are both "just theories" as well. The disciplines involved have moved way beyond Freud.

Coffee Addict,

As someone who has a degree in the field you so politely claim is just theory I would like to point out that it is more empirical (scientific) than you know. So if you don't have proven facts to back your "theories" then shut the hell up. As for gender identity, it is much more complex than you give credit for and goes way beyond DNA and chromosome, those are just small parts of the whole. Get over yourself and catch up to the educated world.

Some facts. First, the widespread misconception that sex is determined by someone having either XX or XY genes.

A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis. -- J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):182-9

Now the incorrect idea that XXY etc are "one in a million" events, not almost as common as someone having red hair:
Sex Chromosome Abnormalities Found Among 34,910 Newborn Children: Results From a 13-Year Incidence Study in Århus, Denmark J.Nielsen and M.Wohlert in Birth Defects: Original Article Series, Volume 26, Number 4, pages 209-223

Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) was found in 1 per 596 boys, XYY in 1 per 894 boys, triple X in 1 per 1002 girls, and Turner syndrome (X) in 1 per 2130 girls.

The best estimate we have based on a variety of measurements is that 1 in 300 men are not XY. That's about half a million men in the USA.

Now the erroneous idea that chromosomes are constant, and cannot be changed.
Bone marrow-derived cells from male donors can compose endometrial glands in female transplant recipients by Ikoma et al Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2009 Dec;201(6):608.e1-8

Donor-derived cells are capable of composing endometrium in recipients, even those of the opposite sex.

Meaning that even a woman's ovaries gradually become genetically identical to a male donor's genes after a bone marrow transplant. That won't change her sex of course.

Finally, the idea that this woman was somehow "male" when born, because externally she looked male:
Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041
She was anatomically female in some respects months before she was born. I over-simplify, but basically, feminised brain in otherwise masculinised body covers it pretty well.

Now some may say that the brain is not important in determining who you are - that it's the Liver (as the Ancient Greeks believed), or some other organ. The consensus though is that when the brain ceases functioning, life ceases. The person is dead, even though the body may be kept going by respirators and so on. That our very personhood is determined by the brain.

By that measure, this woman was born female - with a terribly disfiguring birth defect, that hormones and surgery have managed to partially cure.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but no-one's entitled to their own facts.

tell that to the one who created Her a male. So now God makes mistakes? You go ahead and tell God that He accidentally made her a man. Are we so high and mightly now that we think we can fool God. I am not perfect by no means but let me say this, I am not going to have to answer to God for the decisions she and her family made, but it ultimately comes down to what gender that God thinks she is.

jason-755356

Religion is like a penis!

Its great to have one!

Its great to be proud of it!

But don't pull it out and start waving it around in public!

And if you keep trying to shove it down every ones throat, someone's going to hurt you. for it!!!

Just ask the last bible Thumper that came preaching at my door!

the bible isnt a penis...maybe you think it is, but it isnt...you really would HURT someone for talking about the bible with you?....that is what makes people animals

Please learn to Read!!

I stated" Religion" is like a penis!

Nowhere is my statement did I use the word "bible"

can't read and beleaves in fairy tales......... nuf said

And we won't go into details about the millions christians have murdered for not converting !!

Since when in the last 50 years have christians murdered people? I can tell of many atheists who have murdered, even muslims. Why don't you admit to those things as well? Maybe you don't remember? I can see it nightly on the news. Until you can say that atheists are perfect, don't go pointing your finger.

Beer mug, a news update for you. Its the law of gravity and still the theory of evolution which cannot be proved.

I'm not an atheist, and christians are still using "child welfare" services in some states to steal children from Native Americans and many of those kids have been killed.

frespech

Beer mug, a news update for you. Its the law of gravity and still the theory of evolution which cannot be proved.

Here's one to reset your brain patterns:

We know less about gravity than we do about the evolution. Me thinks you do not grasp the scientific use of the term theory.

I too think she looks great. But you cannot say that this is a natural woman, or that she doesn't have an unfair advantage. I'm not talking about all the surgical processes, but dare I say no other female in the pageant would have had that much alteration or that many procedures. I'm talking about the YEARS of hormones that has been taken before the surgical procedures. And we are not talking about small doses. We are talking about doses large enough to reverse normal cell production! I fail to see where steroids (a synthetic hormone) is illegal and not allowed in any sport, but yet people want it to be ok for this purpose. I propose talking him off the hormones (drugs) first and entering as Canada's participant next year.

@ not so confusing

Are you telling me all other natural women have everything "natural" and nothing is fake?

Thank you!

As a transsexual, and I can assure you, NOBODY in their right mind goes through this by choice... I only dream of the day when people learn to show some respect for other people regardless of race, gender, age, disability, or sexual preference...

I know you guys think she looks like a woman, but there are traits that women give off that tell us if they are of the opposite sex or not. All Most women can tell if a "woman" is really a woman or just a man in drag. They give off subtle hints to show it. It doesn't go away even after a sex change operation, since these are the things you learn in childhood and how you relate to people of your own gender. I'm sorry, but she is still a man.

This has nothing to do with being gay because even gay people are clued into their own gender. It's only when you try to pass for another gender that these things come out.

JessicaSF,

So, if someone were to have a penis surgically attached to their forehead they could claim that it wasn't because of choice and demand respect?

Oh, and mind you... this is NOT about sexual preference. Whether Mr. Talackova is gay or not is not part of this debate. I think the word you are looking for is "gender identity".

The way I can Identify a trans-gender is by looking at their hands. Compare your index finger and ring finger with that of an opposite sex. See if you can identify the difference. Adams apples can be removed and almost everything can be surgically altered. Other than that, I have no problems with Transsexuals, and even consider them woman. The only thing I can say for my self is that I will no marry a transsexual. Due to their inability to conceive and for religious reasons.

@ CuongDNguyen

Yes, they probably all have had some surgeries. But like I said not as many extensive ones.... I'd bet no one else has a man made vagina, labia, or clitoris. What I said was her physique was due to hormones that have been taken for 10 years. And no I don't think anyone else is taking large doses of hormones that's in this pageant. No one else in contests can use drugs to enhance their performance, why should this case be any different? She should be disqualified due to drug use, or go off of them for a couple years then re-enter without the hormones.

@JessicaSF

Who are you saying thank you to? If it was my comment maybe I can put it in a different way for you: She may look beautiful, but get rid of the hormones and she'd just be a castrated male with man boobs. (unless they are silicone). I'm saying she's using drugs to make herself look that way, and for that reason she should be disqualified, they don't allow drugs in any other contests. Sorry. It's not about her right to do it or her sexual identity, it's about normal contest rules.....and altering drugs are not allowed in any that I know of.

Not so....the hormones enhance her APPEARANCE. The Performance comes from inside without the use of drugs. The hormone treatments are, in this case, used to LEVEL the playing field, not rise above it.

Yup your clearly right there Curtass APPEARANCE has nothing at all to do with a BEAUTY contest, nothing at all.

see i can bold words too

I never said appearance had nothing to do with it, it's just not the only thing. The hormones don't give her an unfair advantage as our friend not so seems to be proposing. Have a good day.

Ah i see so if i developed a drug that only enhanced one set of muscles, say the leg; which is not an infeasible idea, it would be okay for athletes to use it as you know leg muscles aren't the only thing that matters for most sports. Secondly beauty is the most important factor when it comes to these contests, when was the last time you saw an ugly chick win one of these because she could sing really well or answered those questions with the bestest possible answer that ever existed.

I see your flimsy logic and bid you ado good sir.

It's a choice whether you think it is or not.

I have only had time to hit the high points here, but a few observations:one

she knew she was a girl at 4...kind of hard to make that up

she doesnt "look good for a man"....she isnt a man, she is a woman

if what she and many other have done and are doing is 'wrong', thats between them and thier God, not for anyone on this earth to judge

someone referred to her as a gay man...gay men, transgender, dragqueens, etc, are all individually different...not under one umbrella. she is not a gay man pretending, she is a woman.

And, on a silly note, just for the record, America's Next Top has had a transgender model....twice.

And fyi, i am a totally straight happily married 50 year old mother of 2.

This contest is for "natural born womans" cappicci ? Rules are rules !

@JessicaSF

Nothing wrong with respect, but I can still respectfully disagree with you, can't I?

If I want to watch transgenders compete then I would watch that competition. As it is I have no interest in them whatsoever. I don't see why this should be forced on myself and others like me that want nothing to do with them. If you can't understand this that's ok, but I don't like it a bit. I will not be following this competition or reading any more news articles about this man.

Sadly, Curt, there is no compelling reason for the world or the people in it to construct reality to fit your will. Tune out, please. I'm sure NASCAR will be on that day too.

Wonderful. Turn the Miss Universe competition into a freak show. It's all in the name of not hurting people's feelings.

Labradina, I agree. Who the heck cares? If natural born females are allowed to have lots of surgery and still compete, then this shouldn't be any different. It's hard for me to believe that anybody even watches beauty pageants anymore.

And Curt's comment made me realize that most of the flap is going to be from men who don't want to be watching a beauty pageant and ogling the ladies only to find out they've been ogling someone who wasn't always a lady! It's kind of a sweet justice, really.

He's a surgically altered gay man on hormone therapy.

What makes you think this person is gay? . . . .For all we knowJenna prefers females. How does that fit into your narrow little mind, "Doctor?"

A straight guy wouldn't cut off junk, get breast implants, and enter beauty pageants for women. He's gay or insane.

Please, Holmes, tell me your spectacular psychological credentials that allow you to be so certain on this subject you apparently have no idea about.

Earsport: Well I guess its OK to f#ck the neighbors cat or dog or whatever; if the neighbor don't like it, I guess he's just mean spirited. The point is, there are absolute rights and absolute wrongs.... the further you disagree with this the more the wrongs will continue to disintegrate until there is nothing left but everything being Right and nothing anymore being wrong! I guess in your words, there would be only right and mean spirited; sounds to me like Sodom & Gomorrah....

Trout! Shemale is going to in the same showers with female? Now thats the freak show! I hope this just wiill be the end of the show, doh! the little girls who want to watch and listen to the details with their mommies is out this year, not that I care for the show. How do those parents explain to their 7,8,9,10.......... young girls?

I think this dude should stop teading on the girls, isn't the GOP enough?

Well aren't you just a wonderfull kind, loving, warm individual. Do you wake up in the morning wake up and kiss the butterflys as well. What a crock.

Leave the GOP out of it. Besides, wouldn't this guy vote democrat?

What part of 'Canadian' are you having trouble with, Unhappy? It's a country all its own, now. I know it's a complex issue. . .this other country stuff. . .but do try to keep up. And please don't breed.

Absolute Right and Wrong?A person choosing their gender has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the freedom to be the person....without hurting others....you want to be.

Want to do something about Right and Wrong....Then go home, get on your knees and ask the Good Lord to remove the darkness from your heart.

Earsport: Exactly correct, when individual freedoms tear absolute moral fabric to nothing what is left? You completely missed the point, there are already people that express their individual freedom through rape, incest and murder.. but hey its just individual freedoms right? The problem with your ideology is there is no longer any baseline for right & wrong, just mutual acceptability... and yes there have been societies that accepted incest, rape & murder as normal.. I mentioned a couple earlier, that's where we are heading again each passing generation.

@earsport

God is perfect, therefore, He doesn't change. That means His rights and wrongs are THE rights and wrongs. We can't make them conform to us and our wants. When you become the person YOU want to be, odds are, it isn't what God wants you to be. I'd wager that changing your body and the sex He made you because you don't agree with it is wrong. Sometimes, the rules need to be laid down, instead of people doing what they want, when they want, and how they want. You can call it hate, or bias, or whatever, but I find it unlikely it would be something you'd say to God's face. Why would you say it here?

You must be a loving tolerant christian.

Willie,

Then you would be a hateful, intolerant athiest?

Technically this is a Canadian pageant not related to the US

Tolerance doesn't mean allowing anything and everything God finds wrong to happen over and over again without stating it is wrong and trying to do something about it.