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Subscribe to RSSUS officials say an attempted rocket launch in North Korea ended in failure when the rocket broke up shortly after launch. NBC's Bob Windrem reports.
Updated at 10:50 a.m. ET: The United States has canceled a proposed food aid deal with North Korea following over its attempt to launch a long-range rocket taking a satellite into orbit.
Senior administration officials told NBC News the deal with Pyongyang is off after the rocket was fired. It failed shortly after launch and landed in the sea off the South Korea coast.
"We are not going forward with an agreement to provide them with any assistance," White House National Security Council spokesman Ben Rhodes told reporters traveling with President Barack Obama to Florida.
He added that the U.S. and its allies will "take additional steps" if there are more "provocative actions."
Earlier, the G-8 group of countries on Friday condemned North Korea, and a leading Republican said even a failed test would help North Korea develop "technology capable of delivering a nuclear weapon that can threaten American cities tomorrow."
A U.S. official told NBC News that the launch was the fourth time the North Koreans had tried to launch this kind of missile, saying it should serve as a "real wake-up call" for the country's new regime.
In a statement, foreign ministers of the G-8 -- made up of the United States, Canada, Japan, Russia, the U.K., Germany, France and Italy -- raised the possibility of action by the United Nations.
"We, the G-8 Foreign Ministers, condemn the launch by the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), which is a violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1695, 1718, and 1874," the statement said.
Reuters graphic showing the rocket's path
"Sharing the view that the launch undermines regional peace and stability, we call on the DPRK to abstain from further launches using ballistic missile technology or other actions which aggravate the situation on the Korean Peninsula," it added.
It said they were "ready to consider, with others, taking measures responding to all activities of the DPRK that violate U.N. Security Council Resolutions."
They said they might also call for what it described an "appropriate response" by the U.N. Security Council.
How will North Korea deal with failure?
The foreign ministers urged North Korea to abandon "all its nuclear weapons and its existing nuclear and ballistic missile programs in a complete, verifiable, and irreversible manner," end its uranium enrichment activities, and take "concrete and irreversible steps toward denuclearization."
A U.S. official told NBC News that the missile had failed shortly after launch, before the news was confirmed by North Korea itself.
"The North Korean missile failed shortly after launch," the official said. "Think about it: This is the fourth failure to launch this missile as it was designed, and should serve as a real wake-up call for the new government."
North Korea rocket breaks up after much-touted launch
"Their efforts to draw attention to the program certainly seem to have backfired in this case," the official added. "Everyone will be watching closely to see how the government handles this first real test."
U.S. Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl said in a statement that the missile launch was "yet another provocative action undertaken by the regime in Pyongyang."
"The rocket that the North Koreans attempted to launch employs technology that is relatively identical to that of a ballistic missile, including similar guidance and propulsion systems," he said. "Even a failed launch can provide useful information for North Korea's development of technology capable of delivering a nuclear weapon that can threaten American cities tomorrow."
He said the North Korean regime had "once again" demonstrated "complete disregard for international sanctions and its proclivity for worthless commitments."
Kyl said the Obama administration should "abandon its naive negotiations with North Korea (and Iran), and instead focus on fully funding missile defenses that can protect the United States from ballistic missile threats."
South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that the official North Korean news agency, KCNA, confirmed the rocket had failed to enter orbit about four hours after the launch.
KCNA said that the scientists and engineers were working to find out the cause of failure.
In Japan, there was relief at the failure, but local media were asking why it took the government 40 minutes to confirm the launch to the Japanese public.
NBC's Andrea Mitchell talks to Rachel Maddow about what the recent developments mean in the broader context of America's relationship with North Korea.
Japan's prime minister Yoshihiko Noda urged Pyongyang to abide by all United Nations resolutions and demanded that it takes concrete steps in resolving the various outstanding issues including their nuclear and missile development, as well as addressing the highly charged issue of Japanese nationals abducted by North korean agents.
Japan currently has various sanctions in place against North Korea, among them a ban of all exports and imports and also restricting entry of all North Korean vessels.
Arata Yamamoto, NBC News producer in Tokyo, contributed to this report.
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North Korea and Iran both want nuclear warheads. The rocket was made my Iran, China,and North Korea! Well lets give Iran and North Korea nuclear warheads. We can drop them from your planes very easily and all over the country. Let's take out their leadership and military than we can help feed their people. Everyone knows that sooner or later the world will have to stop these two insane countries. When they get nutes they will sell them to the highest bidder. STOP THEN NOW!!!
Please define "have to stop"...
...and much is that going to cost?
can you put a price on life?
What would be really funny to learn . Would be that China and Iran were selling defective rocket parts to North Korea and knew it . That would explain why China took a wait and see approach to the launch . They knew from the get-go it would not go very far from the launch pad.
Sure! According to the North Korean government, roughly 1 cent per dozen lives.
One could only hope that the supposed "allies" would be doing something like that. North Korea is pretty ridiculous, and nothing but a joke these days, wouldn't be surprised.
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NK has become the gang that can't shoot straight. And the gang that can't even feed itself.
After all the fuss over this, the launch failed. They purchased technology from China, Russia, Iran and who knows who else. Just shows that NOBODY wanted NK to have nukes. Not even China.
Again, this story is cut off by advertising. Come on MSNBC get your editorial staff together!
President Bush was right, again...
Who was that he said, Syria, Iran, and North Korea...
Self-fulfilled prophecy, or was he correct?
Sad thing is that Iran and North Korea will use the technology as soon as it has it ready. China and Russia will do nothing. They will keep helping them secretly. The G-8 need to come together and do something so the US and England are not the lead on this. Let some other country grow a pair and do what is right. Destroy both countries nuclear facilities. Israel will drag the US into their conflict so not them please. The US and a few brave countries are really trying to fight terrorism, everyone else sits back and criticizes every move yet offer nothing or ways to prevent it.
"....action by the UN"
(puts hands on head)
Ewwwwww! I bet North Korea is SO SCARED!!!
Too bad it didn't go up on the pad and take that bunch of nutjobs with it.......
Phil, if you drop nuclear bombs from airplanes all over their country there will be no people left to help feed.
You're no Einstein that's for sure.
What is truly frightening is that NK has a nuclear warhead. Supposedly. If they cannot launch a rocket into the upper atmosphere, something that the Soviets and Americans did 50 years ago, then I believe they cannot possibly employ sufficient safety standards to maintain a nuclear arsenal safely.
If a little partial meltdown in Northern Japan provoked so much turmoil, imagine the consequences of an unintended release of radiation as a result of N. Korea´s poor technical and safety standards.
Who is going to put out that fire and who is going to pay to clean up that mess?
I see that the idiot Kyl is still trying to push for our own trillion dollar technological disaster, the "Star Wars" missile defense system. Having failed almost all test protocols this wild dream of a demented Reagan is still being pushed by big spending republicans as the only solution to the threats facing the US and our allies. Always willing to cut Medicare and Social Security so we can burn billions of dollars on any and every paranoid pipe dream of weapon systems that cost billions and go nowhere, the republicans answer to everything is war, war, war. Expensive trillion dollar wars that serve no purpose other than to kill American soldiers and enrich defense contractors. Yeah Sen. Kyle you dip@!$%# fool, let's forget about diplomacy and negotiations and spend another trillion dollars on your military boondoggles. What could possibly go wrong with that?? By the way, we already have the world's best and most effective military with which to threaten any and all possible enemies so just whom is being "naive" here Senator?
North Korea has not shown themselves a threat this day. They have shown themselves to be as incompetent as they are backwards.
North Korean Press Release: The Great and powerful leadership of North Korea announces with great enthusiasm a successful and perfect launch of our "SHORT" range rocket of peace. It was misinterpreted by Western Enemies as a "LONG" range rocket which it was not.
They'll figure it out eventually; we did. How many redstones blew up on the pad in the '50s? Embarrassing, since the Soviets had already put a satellite in orbit by then. So, we can stop laughing about the failure.
The difference is that, if they ever do get a missile that works reliably, one tomahawk can take it down before it's fueled. They could put them underground, like we did, but the expense is huge, and if we have to, we can punch into their bunkers.
Face it; the RNK already has soviet era planes that could drop a bomb on us if they could get it here, so the delivery system is already in place. They'll never use one, because they don't want to be eradicated. It wouldn't just be the U.S. that flattened them, it would be everyone else in the region. North Korea is not that scary, for the U.S. For the south, they are a problem.
Iran is a little more of a problem. They are much, much larger, harder to get at, better funded, and a real potential regional threat.
North Korea is a sad, pathetic dictatorship, that will eventually be militarized by a coup.
"No soup for you!"
Good move America. Have the children and women of North Korea become collateral damage, we usually get away with that when it comes to women and children.
Here's a theory I've had for a long time; one bullet each would have gotten rid of Saddam, and his two sons, instead we kill 4500+ American Soldiers, 100's of thousands of Iraqi civilians (collateral damage), and it's still not settled over there.
How long until we get cowed, pussy off, and continue feeding that same army that is developing nukes to drop on our soil?
It's obvious, this is "sanction" number... what? 100? 1000? Lost count?
Anyone with a pea brain, including North Korea, knows that the same damn course of history is going to repeat. They'll come out and start blathering, and we'll just start sending food again with no compromises. That or they will say they will "stop" so we continue feeding our enemies, and then they just start building nukes again.
It's like putting the kid in time out, then he starts acting out again once you've turned your back.
Although I don't necessarily believe in so much foreign aid, I disagree with using food as leverage. If we ever want to get a consensus in international realms toward North Korea we should have given them the food to show that we are better than them, and give them something to strive for in peace, rather than create more animosity and hatred of who they think we are.
"US cancels food aid to North Korea after missile launch, warns of more sanctions"
Bravo Mr. President! Lets teach that little boy, acting as supreme Ninja turtle, that actions have consequences.
Personally, I think that the shape of the rocket and it's failure to reach intended altitude tells me the people of North Korea need Viagra more than they need sanctions.
LOL!!!
We scramble LETHAL (end of the world type) fighter jets on CIVILIAN airlines and you make a statement like that?
LOL!!!
The fact that he calls it the "RNK" tells us all we need to know about his qualifications to speak about North Korea...
What bothers me is the people in charge will still have food on the table.
The saddest thing about this is that this guy is crazy and the only thing that stopping food will do is hurt the starving population. It isn't there fault their leader is a F*cking PSYCHO.
So who gets the Aid/Money now? You know darn well the politicians aren't going to let that much Aid/Money be used to help anyone in the US.
I'll be damned....Obama got one right. Good job, Mr President!
So its ok for the United States to launch "test flights" of our missiles on a weekly basis around the world, own 5000+ nukes yet its "deplorable" for North Korea to want to defend itself with missiles? WTF ...
America needs only to look within to see OUR problems before we start patrolling the world. So we cut off food aid to North Korea means only MORE for America.. Lets send that "supposed" food aid to Americans first, how about that..
Let North Korea, Iran whoever have weapons. They are after-all Sovereign nations, or are they? If they are, just like America is, let them do what they please. America can, Russia can, China can, but not select nations? Hmmm we have a twisted outlook on the world. We need to force OUR version of Democracy on the world, threaten nations with war if they don't conform to OUR ideals. We invade nations based on lies from Israel, yet we support them with Billions and weapons while trying to have piece with the Muslims.. We continue to develop new nukes, build new nuclear power plants, build 30K lb bombs, while telling the world who can and can not have this, that or the other..
A food boycott? Boycott something that will impress the wealthy, and the politicians making the missiles. A food boycott will only hurt the poor.
Great.........now our peanut farmers are going to suffer since we won't send them any more peanut butter.
Unfortunately most of the food sent to them goes to the elite of N. Korea and the military the poor suffer either way.............what a miserable little country.
So if I have an agenda to want to kill all U.S. politicians and take down the government, then I will go to Prison for the rest of my life, but when North Korea has those aspirations, they get...... food?!?!
What ever happen to the government don't make deals with terrorist? This sure sounds like a deal to me.
North Koreans couldn't launch a watermelon with a slingshot!!
If at first you don't succeed, try try again.
Since North Korea loves things that go "bang" so much why don't we send them several shiploads of "over carbonated Coca Cola". Every size and every can. That way, when they open them, they can hear the "bang", see the spew, and drink what's left. Those who prefer wine, send 'em doctored "ripple" so they can experience the same effect. I believe the un and il would go for it. Some "snap, crackle, and pop" cereal would help pacify them as well.
Starving Children, i think is CRUEL..i can see, We are truly; Lacking in Diplomacy & Leadership..the writing is on the WALL, just Look at Our Political Choices, they are terrible.. i am NOT Voting this round..America has whole Lot problems presently & no one is Qualified to make a difference..Greed has made US fools..no i don't have to Live somewhere else, my people have been here for thousands of years..it sickens me, to starve Children anywhere especially when resources available..We've Learned NO RESPECT of NO ONE & It shows on OUR Streets/ Crime......
"Kyl said the Obama administration should "abandon its naive negotiations with North Korea (and Iran), and instead focus on fully funding missile defenses that can protect the United States from ballistic missile threats." "
That might be considered 'provocative' by North Korea and Iran, and we wouldn't want to upset them by actually doing something to protect Americans from these crazy people.
We were going to give food aid.........to North Korea???
Let me get this right........you don't like who our represenatives are (a lot of us don't)...........so your going to show them by not voting. Hey if you don't vote you don't get to complain about them. If you don't like who is on the ballot, do a write in candidate, run yourself, do a protest vote for Mickey Mouse just vote.........then complain like the rest of us about our terrible elected officials.........it's the American Way.
So, we can send "food aid" to other countries at the tax payers expense, yet the beloved US gov'mint in its divine wisdom thinks that such "entitlement" programs here should be cut or eliminated, yeah... keep voting republiCON.
Every day is April the 1st in NK, and they have been able to pulls so many BS's to other nation. Is quite amazing that the US government is still gullible and stupid enough to believe that NK will follow through with the agreement? How many times was the US shafted and taken for a ride by the North Korean and still not learning? Frankly speaking for the amount that North Korean spend $30 M in failed rocket science they can purchase agood amount of food to feed their masses. I hope the US gov will open their eyes bigger and see prior agreement with the North Koreans, is not US taxpayers obligation to feed another country's population because some stupid eccentric, authocratic dynasty government policies. Any NK slogan of self reliance to prosperous 2012 is laughable biggest joke from the Kim dynasty. Juche means- F@#k feeding the people let's get food aid from gullible nation so NK armed forces are well fed and money saved to build more arm arsenal. Can't expect too much from elephants and asses, both type don't remember well and always fall for the same trick over and over again. sightttttttttttttttt
You'd THINK that would be the case, but GET THIS: They are starving no matter what. The extra food goes to the priviledged and party morons who keep the system in place. At this point, not sending food hurts EXACTLY who it is intended to hurt, because nobody in the regulation population isn't starving when there is food.
Why is America feeding this scum bag country in the first place?????? Feed the hungry in America first, America needs to take care of Americans... We cant afford to feed the rest of the world, Let me get this straight we borrow money from RED China to feed the same people that threaten to nuke us, all the while RED China is providing N. Korea with weapons... WTF!!!!!!!!!
Happy Friday the 13th. Checkmarks for all. ;)
@gtouch
I agree with you 100% we that vote even if sometimes it doesn't matter, we get the right to complain.
@jeeesus
Read what I wrote to gtouch right above this one. Also I would like to know what people you come from that have been here for thousands of years?
Some folks are criticizing our government saying that it's wrong to stop food aid because of their actions, but I support this decision 100%. We have to exhaust all diplomatic efforts before considering any type of military action, that way no one will be able to criticize us if we have use other methods.
concernedone........It is not that he was wrong, it is that he was wrong to announce it. It only served to bring those outlaw countries closer together. There are a lot of things that are true that you are better off not announcing ! It certainly was not news to anyone in the world that those countries were "evil" he just did not have to give them more reason to "work together" against the free world.
There are plenty of other ways to impose sanctions against a country, ie Iran. I don't believe humanitarian efforts should ever be a part of punishing another country for their political/military leaders actions. Innocent people are dying of starvation who have nothing to do with the launch.
When has the U.N. really done anything? It policing of these threats allways ends up the United States Police Dept.......
The cutting off of food aid is going to put a dent in the pockets of the N Korea government who have probably been selling it off all along. Does anyone really believe the food goes to the people who need it.
If they can afford a state-of-the-art rocket system and satellite, shouldn't they first ensure that their citizens aren't starving to death before moving forward with a space program? This confirms that the new boss is just as bat-sh1t crazy as the old boss. Very sad.
To 420 Frees the Mind
You said...
(1) So its ok for the United States to launch "test flights" of our missiles on a weekly basis around the world, own 5000+ nukes yet its "deplorable" for North Korea to want to defend itself with missiles? ...
(2) Let North Korea, Iran whoever have weapons. They are after-all Sovereign nations, or are they?...We continue to develop new nukes, build new nuclear power plants, build 30K lb bombs, while telling the world who can and can not have this, that or the other..
Well,
(1) That's correct.
(2) There's nothing wrong with being the big kid on the block. That's us and we need to keep it that way or fall by the wayside. The U.S. does good stuff too...who's always there from beginning to end when there's a disaster on this planet? Be proud of your country. Show some patriotism.
hey, in earlier Russian space adventures, they lost men in outer space..We have also, the Challenger was a heart-breaking disaster..what i'm trying to Say; NO ONE IS PERFECT !!!..the so called outlaws (Koreans) know of the ballistic treaty..they have Let Our Correspondents in their Country to View their so called; Achievement..okay, things did not work out as planned, however they tried to accomplish something, NOT WAR..Which is Something We're Good at..My guesstimate of people destroyed, has been in the MILLIONS..We may or may not had good reasons for Our Motives..that is to be debated..Can't We ALL Just Try to Get Along..IS THAT SO HARD TO DO ??......
It's good we did this stop the food aid...have to be crazy to give them food aid when they use money to make weapons of mass destruction and not feed their own people..they are another wacko gov't. like IRAN.
Big Tex, i can see you believe in a; Hegemony Government..if WE destroy Children for Political reasons; THAT'S A DIRTY SHAME..and yes, Charity/ Love starts at Home Turf..sadly, this IS NOT Practiced by the People of this NATION...mike, they Like Us, Want/ Have a Powerful Military for insecurities/protection..NO BODY WANTS TO BE ATTACKED, i know that is hard for people to Clearly Understand...
This is something like the thrid, maybe even fourth time that N. Korea has tried to launch this type of rocket and failed. Each time, the rockets mysteriosly broke apart or exploded over the ocean.
Hmmmm. Doesn't it seem kind of strange? After all, we do have a huge presence in Japan and S. Korea that tracks every single thing that N Korea does.
I'm okay with it, but I'm just saying...
North Korean Officials want to have a right to self-determination and self-defense by launching a weapons program.
The West does not want them to have a weapons program because of idealogical differences...so they attempt to FORCE their weapons program to shut down by attempting to starve North Korean CITIZENS????
Makes a whole lot of sense to me.
Replace White Supremacy With Justice Immediately. And maybe North Korea wouldn't need to build any weapons arsenal at all.
"...a leading Republican said even a failed test would help North Korea develop "technology capable of delivering a nuclear weapon that can threaten American cities tomorrow."
More Republican paranoia to keep the war machine running. Lots of bucks for the military industrial complex.
You know, thinking about Iran and China selling defective parts to North Korea makes me think of the movie, Kung-Pow, with the character who is constantly losing, and his trainers say, "Take mercy on him, we trained him wrong on purpose... as a joke! He thinks losing is winning!". I believe he follows up by saying, "oh, you like my face to your fist technique? Then you'll love my nuts to your foot kung fu!".
Now I know this is rather racist... but Kim Jung Il looks a lot like a fatter version of that character.
Concernedone, no real clairvoyance there on Bush's part. He merely stated the obvious. Much like calling out the Axis in July 1939.
China is the key to Korea. North Korea will exist until China see no need for it. Not one minute longer. North Korea is China's Berlin Wall. It stops Chinese citizens from just walking away from communism. China fears that. Their leadership can't see a united free Korea would bring hugh prosperity to China that would could outweigh the risk of losing power. Eastern Europeans voted with their feet and Mexicans do it daily. China fears the European model.
@ Big Tex.. You have NO clue. Just cuz your from Texass doesn't mean you get to hold to American flag and sleep in at night.. I served my nation in the US Navy during the first Gulf War.. And you?
Being proud and criticizing and making real observations is part of being American.. If you stop questioning your leaders you become one of them.
Again, America is there for the world in times of disasters, yet we can't take care of our own, when a hurricane is coming, yet the Prez delays action for 4-7 AFTER Katrina hit. Yeah, there til the end. BS.. The GOP in America care more about the world than America.. Plain and simple Tex.. Its a fact. The GOP wants to solve the worlds problems, while the Dems want to solve Americas problems.
Yeah, the "big boy on the block" LMAO.. Sure we act tough, but $14 Trillion in debt, how tough can we be and at whose expense? The American people, thats who. We strut around like the prized rooster telling everyone they are bad, wrong and how to act. We also have to act responsibly while acting the big bad boy as well.. The GOP dont know how to act responsibly. Thats why the GOP takes care of the world, and ignores the homeland!
Keep your lies up Big Tex.. Its the standard mantra of the GOP, Lie.. Lie... Lie some more and then everyone will beLIEve!
The DEMS want to solve American's problems? Who started dropping bombs on Libya? Who added trillions to the debt in 4 years? And don't give me that garbage that he inherited it from Bush. He inherited it from over 40 men behind him, not just Bush. He's added significantly to the debt himself. In fact, when he had an opportunity to curb the debt, he decided to raise the debt ceiling so we can borrow into MORE debt.
So, who's lie-lie-lying now? You need to stop following the party line and observe some facts.
Note, I'm not excusing Republicans in any way. I'm just showing that Obama has committed the exact same behavior as Republicans, and yet you refuse to criticize him. But if it's one of those foolish REPUBLICANS... Well. That's okay. Everything is their fault anyway, right?
And a final note ON topic: Good for us. I'm sure the food aid doesn't go the North Korean people who need it anyway, so it doesn't really mean anything. But the symbolism behind it does, and to keep up appearances, North Korea will pretend to be upset while South Korea continues to funnel their citizens out of the country and into safety.
@TRH86
George Carlin thought the opposite. How can you complain when YOU are the one who helped put them there. You've got to admit, it does make some sense.
North Korea is a rogue state. If it gets nukes no one can control them. What do you think would happen if NK got nukes? "Oh gee we got nukes, now lets just sit down and do nothing with them!" No. They would use them against the United States and her allies the first chance they got. They do not want them or defense, they want them to do harm.
Another genius that thinks the solution to any problem is to incinerate people. Let's examine this logic: "We are nuking you because we don't want you to have nukes". Yeah that really makes us the good guys, not to mention that fact that there is not even proof that Iran is developing nukes.
420 Frees...
I don't believe for a second that you ever served in an outfit even as prestigious as the Boy Scouts. If you did it was done of pure hypocrisy. Your "Texass" comment tells me your about eleven. I never commented about any party affiliation that I may be involved in, but thanks for pretending to know me.
We do take care of our own here, except the 'give me a handout because I deserve it' crowd...some people will not try to better themselves no matter what you do.
As much as you'd like everything to be "even" between countries, I hope to never see that happen.
Now, run along.
@spider-737231
Yeah, good job of making a deal everyone knew in advance NK would back out of, Oh...wait. Well, good job of not sending the aid sooner I suppose.
Zephyr994...
I'll tell you what Obama did inherit...$1.94 a gallon gas. Now look at it. lol
I'm still baffled as to why, exactly, we were giving a communist country food aid in the first place for all of these years, seeing as how all the RNK has ever said from the beginning was that it wanted to destroy the US. They are intent on trying to develop the means necessary to do it, and we just sit back and joke about what idiots their leadership consists of, but sooner or later they will find a way when we least expect it.
North Korea and Iran are headed up by two of the most radical,insane, anti-american dictatorships who make no bone about their intentions once they acheive nuclear power.
MSNBC..why is it on some articles the opening poster has their comment collapsed and everything under them is collapsed also..but other articles not all are collapsed only those which are disliked the most..( and I don't mean restored). Makes no sense your rules.
mike277
I have made the same post as yours about twenty times now. I don't think they are paying attention. I don't think the first post should ever be collapsed if it is not offensive. It is a pain in the butt.
This statement doesn't make any sense.
Failure huh? they should be use to that word. I mean it describes to a "T" the treatment of the country's citizens don't it?
Some countrys just don't get it
Yeah. To use a metaphor, if North Korea were to build a pyramid, they'd build it upside down. Catch my drift?
"US cancels food aid to North Korea after missile launch, warns of more sanctions".
Bravo Mr. President! Lets teach that little boy, acting as supreme Ninja Turtle, that actions have consequences.
U.S. cancels food aid to North Korea-------now could we re-direct this food aid to the hungry in America---or is this just too radical.
Uh, Oh... no more free food deliveries from America.
Within 3 months North Korea will announce plans to do something else that embarasses the U.S. (with no real intent of doing it) and our politicians will say "oh, no please don't... if you don't we'll give you your free food back". This is how they have operated for years... like a bratty kid with a pushover parent.
If NK can afford to build a rocket, albeit from a second erector set, they can afford to buy food. The reason NK has a large army (4th largest in the world) is because they feed their soldiers. The peasants, just a couple of years ago, were digging up their dead for lunches. Since NK can afford to "threaten" the world, it can afford to buy its own food.
Why were we giving N. Korea food aid in the first place???
LOLOL N. Korea govt. FAILS!
Weentoddle - Here's the reason for why we did, and why we are not now..
We all know the citizens of N. Korea are for the most part all innocent lives, and because the govt. is corrupt and refuses to feed them, we send aid for them. Now that we have stopped sending aid in response to their epic fail attempt of launching a missile, this may put pressure on the citizens to step up to the plate to their own government (causing tension between the citizens and their government), because most citizens understand that what their government has done is wrong and now that they aren't getting the aid they need to survive, they may have no other choice. Die, or take over your corrupt government.
@granny, I agree that would be a wonderful, appropriate thing for the U.S. to do, but there are those among us who would call increasing the amount of food aid we give to our own people more free "hand outs."
Here we were sending aide to North Korea because the country has no food. Yet the Government of North Korea is spending money on missles and not helpiing their people. Our leaders need to wake up and smell the coffee. Aide is for the people not the government to build missles. And even if they are not using our aide to build missles why are we sending aide when they have money for missles. We need to break ties with those idiots now!!!
Like someone else commented, it's propaganda on our part to get the North Korean citizens to overthrow their corrupt government.
With the fourth largest army in the world, I doubt that North Koreans have the ability to stand up to their disturbed dictator. While he is overweight, the poor will go hungry once again. He obviously does not care about his people, so will this measure have any impact on his actions ? I guess - NOT ! On the other hand, what to do ? He is well taken care of and has stored his money, food and luxury items safely away. Why should he care ? May China will fill in the gap ?
@Leiya123
Bravo Mr president? Seriously? He was the one who made the dumb @ssed deal to begin with despite the fact that NK had disregarded their end of every deal we've ever made with them. Realizing you've made a mistake AFTER you've made it is hardly a reason to cheer. He just got lucky that NK was stupid enough to break the deal BEFORE they got the food.
Imagine there had been warheads on this rocket - the entire region would be contaminated now.
Two generations of dictators afflicted with the same mental illness ! Those people need help, not just rice. But then - starving people are too weak to rebel, aren't they ? And with all those soldiers around, how could they anyway ?
Do the people even know that the US is sending food? I doubt it . We are not going to convince those people to rise up and fight against those with the power. They are brained washed and since they can't really communicate with the rest of the world, how would they make any comparison to others? I feel bad. They are stuck in a dark vortex and can't get out.
How much of the food is getting to the Civilian Population? I understand that food is distributed as part of the salaries of those in the military.
msnbc do you guys proof read this stuff?
This is a 'Let them eat cake' scenario I'm willing to support.
Good!! If they have enough money to make a stupid rocket then they have enough money to buy their own food!!!!!
@backcountry164
"Between 1995 and 2008, the United States provided North Korea with over $1.3 billion in assistance: just over 50% for food aid and about 40% for energy assistance. Since early 2009, the United States has provided virtually no aid to North Korea. In late February 2012, after bilateral talks with the United States, North Korea announced a moratorium on long-range missile launches, nuclear tests, and nuclear activities (including uranium enrichment) at its Yongbyon nuclear facilities. It also said it would allow international nuclear inspectors to return to North Korea (Manyin, Nikitin, 2012)."
I know you refuse to give our President any credit; however, to falsely infer that President Obama is making "dumb @ssed deals" with North Korea when over $1.3 Billion dollars was handed over via the Bush administration is a complete lie... dressed-up to mis-inform.
Reference:
(Manyin, M., Nikitin, M., (March 20, 2012). Congressional Research Service: Foreign Assitance to North Korea retrieved on April 13, 2012 by https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:2IypknEHC1EJ:www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R40095.pdf+history+of+food+aid+to+north+korea&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESii9MteHYa5HUW7M8fyntpP2mLYxhi_OBNxew5e0ZVuz2cIduJcFCc79salgsg7b30bfyk-t4BEwJ-HiclnpPgFhu_ciYwKyulxESaK0l2_tpxsCn7eU8WayaAiGkOT5_9WBNN9&sig=AHIEtbTHpWg0kfyFPuplmc9E3eZIj4EOkg
Cancelled Food Relief to North Korea:.
Who would ever think the people of North Korea would get the food directly into their hands anyway. Their Government is that of a Communist run Society---the food will be sold on the Black Market,(or kept for themselves); they making much $$$$ from the US. Another Corrupt Act, and denial to the starving people. The US is "spoiling" the kid run Country.
This kind of action is not good enough. It is a short slap on the Wrist to a Country who is so corrupt, continuing to taunt the World with words, failed Rockets--
There is NOTHING the US Government can do---to make them stop the experiments sending failed nuclear missile warheads, rockets. It is the 4th of July over there.
When the time comes, and N. Korea has actual real live missiles, the US is going to have to deal with this issue immediately; no threats..
Threats to N. Korea, and appeasement to US citizens never works, because it never works!
To all morons, Don't you get it? The rocket DID NOT FAIL. They just didn't use enough fuel. They tested the rocket to make sure it would work. The next launch will have enough fuel and also most likely have a nuke attached to it. Why we let Syria, Iran and NK act like dumb fuks is beyond me. WHY HAVEN'T WE TAKEN OUT THEIR GOVERNMENT? Who cares how much it cost. Would cost a quadrillion or more I wouldn't care. We print our money therefore we can afford to do whatever the hell we want. Is the only reason we haven't done anything about these other countries is because they are backed by China, Russia and other major powers. The us has made to many poor decisions in the past.
Bravo Chuck for laying down a few facts.
This is more smoke & mirrors from the 0 administration, which is in FULL campaign reelection mode.
Fortunately, not all of the American citizens are sheep & can see through the smoke screen.
Obama is the president and has been for over three years now. Blaming Bush for Obama's current ineptitude and disregard for protecting the citizens he was elected to serve, well, good luck but the excuses are beyond lame and border on the pathetic...
@Justified Defiance
What sense does any of your ramblings make? What pray tell are the smoke and mirrors you claim to see that no one else has access to in this matter? Please reference a single act of deception on the part of this administration regarding North Korea? The fact that I can dispel any rant you have online tells me how well thought out his actions are and transparent.
President Obama could be the Commander in Chief for a thousand years and that would never negate the fact that Bush handed over $1.3 Billion dollars to North Korea! My visceral feeling is that the errant rocket was funded with some or all of the Bush aid. That's what I'd like to know.
I know it is hard for you to swallow your misguided pride against our current leader but President Obama is serving the country well by ceasing aid to North Korea based upon an abrogated deal. In fact, President Obama didn't initiate the last talks with North Korea. They initiated talks and wanted mutual communications.
The only loss we have under this administration regarding North Korea is that they spelled out the terms and broke the deal. it's that simple... you fool the baker... you get a bun... you fool me... you don't get a MF'ng thing.
What is pathetic is that no matter how many bad guys this President catches and deals with... matters of foreign policy he streamlines... cleanup complicated messes; individuals like you refuse to accept the fact that Bush made ROYAL phuck-ups and this is one. Although all of the scapegoat material is being pushed to the masses... the real deal is that President Obama is the cleanup man!
No excuses... North Korea will not be getting any aid from this President. No aid despite all of the aid your boy Bush has bestowed towards this country that bites the hand that feeds it. Being in defiance without real cause is... well... unjustified. sheesh!
@Chuck-414139
Since from January 20, 1993 – January 20, 2001 we were under the reign of The Great Adulterer, (Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, Travelgate, Whitewater, Troopergate, NAFTA, Impeachment) I fail to see how anyone could connect the majority N Korea aid to the Bush Administration. Facts are a welcome addition to the forum, however I would suggest that you actually read them before using them to make a point
@CrankyFrank
Yes, I gave you the referenced information... the least you could do is reference actual numbers in aid that was given by Clinton. That would be at least one fact from you. The rest you offer is disrespectful conjecture about President Clinton's personal life.
I gave you the information regarding 1995 -2008. If Clinton gave North Korea $1.3 billion in aid, the facts would reveal themselves and I would be wrong; however, thus far, they have not.
The least you could do is do you own homework. Facts are still welcome... just try adding some without me giving you all of the answers. I'm waiting...
@ Jordan
Chances are the N. Koreans don't even know their food comes from the U.S. or U.N. The food is probably handed out to them as staying nice and quiet for their "dear leader" instead of not rising up to oppose their own government. If anything, they'll stay even more quiet (if that's possible) and wait for food or die trying.
I think a lot of them would rather starve outside a labor camp than inside one.
Back to the article;
As many posters have stated, this will simply continue the "circle of life" or so to speak. 3 to 6 months from now they (N. Korea) will make some sort of provocative action, S. Korea will respond denouncing the action along with the rest of the international community (except China, of course) N. Korea will say we're preparing for war, then demand food and aide or they'll fire the hundreds of artillery guns pointed towards Seoul and cross the DMZ into S. Korea.
Beautiful, isn't it?
@chuck e cheese... Are you really that brainwashed? ...Yes you are!
Thanking Obama for killing Bin Laden is like going in to Mcdonalds and thanking Ronald Mcdonald for the burger... it's the guy cooking the burger that deserves the credit - NOT the CLOWN! ;)
PS: Obama's foreign policy experience was formed during his association with people like Van Jones, Rev. Wright, nation of Islam and other anti American radical left people.
This is our threat to them? No more free food? We are near 16 trillion in debt and we are giving out free food to a country that despises us?
Hey, lets give Iran some of our American virgins if they do not build nuclear weapons!
So… my banking statement should say "employee of McDonalds on grill 1" instead of McDonalds? Somehow, in your defiance, we're relating the Office of the President of the United States, The Commander in Chief to that of a hamburger clown? Oh and I'm Chucky Cheese. Thanks for the information. I discern the ultimate maturity, literacy and mentality of your posts.
Funny... I get it… ha ha ha! Van Jones, Rev. Wright and the Nation of Islam possess one thing in common that you despise. Since we're here, I think you forget to mention the birth certificate.
Silly me… I initially thought we were discussing North Korea and the smoke screen President Obama was using to fool everyone. But I digress thinking that I was talking to a rational adult. Finally, I guess I could call you all sorts of names... but why... you've done so well on your own.
Yes "silly" you.
40 million Americans on Food Stamps and another 14 million in the unemployment line and wanting their checks extended to 151 weeks. Obviously, you are one of those with their hand out wanting more FREE stuff. Maybe Prez 0 should stop all foreign aid to every country & concentrate on feeding our on?
Since you are clueless to international politics, here are a few ways Obama has screwed up. Remember the silly "Reset Button" fiasco with the Russians? Most people focused on the fact that the wrong Russian word was used on the symbolic button Hillary presented to them. But the real damage is the concept. Reset our foreign policy? That sent the exact wrong message to friend and foe alike. The message was that it doesn't matter what kind of agreements you make with America, because the next administration to be elected doesn't have to honor them. Big mistake.
Another was taking no action when the Iranian people tried to depose their radical leadership. Obama sent the message that we would not "meddle" in other countries' business-- Obviously, he has since changed his mind on this, it's a selective process he uses now, how he selects, does anybody know?
Another was his propensity to bow to tyrants and royalty around the world-- Image is everything in diplomatic matters.
Maybe if they shoved some Viagra in the rocket shaft they could get it up??!!....
@Chuck-414139
Are you shouting at me chuck? Is that why it's all in bold? Are you angry? Awww, too bad. Sorry Chuck but you'll have to point out exactly where the misinformation and lie is because what I said was nothing but the truth. You honestly believe that just because Bush made dumb @ssed deals that somehow excuses Obama when he does the same thing? This may come as a shock to you Chunk but there are actually some of us out here who don't mindlessly bow down to the whims of EITHER party. Just because I point out Obama doing something stupid doesn't automatically mean I'm not smart enough to realize it was equally stupid when Bush was doing it. You see Chuck, some of us can actually think for ourselves. Try it sometime.
Backcountry- I agree we need to think for ourselves. That reminds me.....our leaders have really screwed things up....all of them, both parties.
Cranky Frank..Wouldnt you love to see those good old days again ? 1 dollar gallon gas....150 gallon of milk..balanced budget...surplus..4 more years of Clinton and our debt would have been paid off.. Then what happened? we got atacked by Saudi Citizens and just to show the world how strong we were..We invaded Iraq.. Borrowed and spent like the it didnt matter, I will skip all the lies about Saddam and NOT MENTION the 65 BILLION wasted trying to impeach a president...LMFAO and then the same people yelling IMPEACH CLINTON went and voted NOT GUILTY. ahhhfor the good old days when all we heard was SEX, Adultery, OHH wait....Adultery by the speaker GETRICH,,,lmao And then BRIBERY by Tom Delay......If you could turn back the clock and choose INVADING IRAQ or Adultery, You would vote for Clinton again..Admit it.....
Chuck and tn4ever...you obviously are both high and can't think straight! I can't believe you really think these 2 men have been good for our country! All I can say is "brainwashed"... I am sad for you both.
Why condemn a sovereign nation of conducting satellite launching for the weather mapping?
Where was G-8 condemnation when israel carried out deadly raid on a peaceful floatilla in international water?
Do you really believe that's what they were doing? If you are that stupid then I'll tell you why North Korea can't launch a rocket: Because we said so!
Hugh Zass...the people on the ship have a right to defend themselves in international waters when they are being attacked by belligerents. The U.S. would do the same thing...OOPS, sorry, I forgot about the USS Liberty. I guess the U.S. wouldn't defend themselves when attacked by the Israeli's.
Henrich von Dorf strikes again with his usual nonsense. Well played.
If Bush and Cheney were still around we would have sent troops already ....
I thought that incident WAS internationally condemned... well, not by the US of course, but by lots of other countries.
It's irrelevant what they were "actually" trying to do. You don't brush off UN SC resolutions. Or rather, countries DO, but then they should expect and deserve severe diplomatic and economic consequences.
But I'm sure this will go right over Henrich's head. I've never seen such a determined anti-American cheerleader. No matter how twisted or repulsive the enemy, he'll be cheering their opposition to our causes, no matter how legitimate or just (not that they always are).
How much cash is NK going to receive for that Clunker?
What's not clear from your post is whether you think that's a good or a bad thing.
Your name should be henrick von DOOFUS
We have 28,000 troops in the DMZ today. The conflict never ended. It's just a cease fire.
Yes, I'm sure the U.S. told them to "go ahead and launch it, but it BETTER NOT tear anything up!" That way NK gets their way and we don't look stupid. What a pathetic game.
North Korea is at war, that's why.
Same reason China condemns the US for sending Marines to Australia or Iran condemns the US for having the US Navy 5th Fleet in the Persian Gulf. Because the "aggressor nation" is conducting these oddball moves during a time of war.
Hell, the Costa Ricans were bitching up a storm because their government was/is allowing US Navy and Coast Guard ships to dock in Costa Rican Ports.
To sum it up, when a nation is at war, you pay more attention to what they DO than what they SAY.
I do not understand people who are so ready to go to war. We already have 2 unfunded wars we are in and you people are screaming about them. It is very clear to me you have no idea of foreign affairs but are just arm chair side line coaches. I do not want us in another war with anyone unless it is to defend the USA. So let the experts who deal with countries all the time and are in the rooms with these nut cakes do there jobs. Stand behind our president and do all we can to stay out of war.
You are too naive to understand so no use explaining it to you. I'll just say nothing is as it seems. Rogue countries like N Korea and Iran are not to be trusted.
dlb... what the heck do you think we are doing; we are protecting the US and her interests with these unfortunately unfunded wars.
Nobody wants to be in a war. It's difficult at times to define what "defending America" really means. Two rational people can disagree about that. Unfortunately our baffoons in D.C. have turned an otherwise generally rational country into a "one-side-against-the-other" nation. Do we want to wait and see what happens if and when these clowns in NK get lucky and fire one off that just happens to be carrying a nuclear warhead? It's not likely they could hit what they are aiming for, but what happens if it falls on Seoul? Tokyo? San Fransico? What then? Same with Iran. Do we stand by and do nothing, but "wait and hope"? I've been "hoping for change" for three years now, so I don't have much faith in "hope" and "change".
-------You don't brush off UN SC resolutions. Or rather, countries DO, but then they should expect and deserve severe diplomatic and economic consequences......
How many UN SC resolutions did israel brush off? Did israel suffer any diplomatic and economic consequences?
These knuckle heads couldn't launch a rocket if they tried. The Germans were doing that during WW2 and for you who have attended public schools that was over 60 years ago. Before the computer, the internet, the calculator and even McDonalds. I say we pull our troops of the peninsula of Korea and everywhere else, and let the South Korean, Chinese and Japanese worry about them. We are 16 trillion in debt, with a tsunami more coming in the form of Social Security, lack of public service workers pensions, and Medicare. That is so much more important than weather or not the more than dear leader can get his rocket launched.
Is it more important? what happens when they get a ICBM that can hit the US with their nutjob leader with his finger on the button? pensions and medicare won't matter a whole lot when the eastern seaboard is a waste land and fallout zone crater
I think it's kind of quaint that Steve thinks that North Korea goes from a self-disintegrating rocket today and has a fully functional ICBM tomorrow. I'm pretty sure there is more than one DoD and CIA analyst tasked with watching North Korea. Hell, they probably have their very own 24/7 military satellite trained on them. Let's pay for Iraq and Afghanistan before we start another war, okay? These wars that you keep goading us into, Steve, are ultra-expensive and of very little value.
Lets see if they can reach US Samoa before we worry about the Eastern Seaboard
All the post's sound like we can tell outher countrys what to do when thay can tell us nothing about what we are doing.When did we become supreme leader of all countrys on this planet? And when did our government not lie to us its people?I'd be suprized if we dont have nuks in orbit all ready that why we are makeing such a big stink about this. Let them drop a nuke on washington it will take care of a cockroach problem we have. Eye for an eye does not meen poke out their's first we all know what it meen's right on our currant path we all wont see
sadmoron - From the story above...
Thanks, concernedone, but I am unconvinced. Maybe I'm still a little burned from Bush's fabricated WMD intelligence, but I'd like a little more data than the feeble, war-mongering words of "a leading Republican" that you quoted. How about we start with the name of that "a leading Republican." Is it Kyl? Yeah, that's a unbiased expert.
We do not have the resources to start a war with every crazy a-hole on the planet because they develop a military.
Correct, albruno-1, and the vast bulk of politicians and clear thinkers know this but you have enough hysterics and blood thirsty Americans that the Military Industrial Complex can exploit another avenue of fear mongering and fabrications to justify another military invasion of another nation simply for purposes of profiteering. Blood empires are run by aggressive armies but you need a nation of complicit or passive imbeciles to allow it to happen.
sadmoronsvote2 - Democrats and Republicans sit on the same committees. The party in control has the majority, but both parties are represented and given the same intelligence. If someone from one of those committees speaks out with lies, how long would it be before reps from the other party outed them for making false accusations??????????
Just because a Republican was quoted, doesn't mean it is a lie - no matter how some hard-liners want to believe it!
This thing wasn't a rocket. It was a washing machine filled with rocket fuel and covered in tin foil.
I think it was powered by the Chevy Volt.
oh yeah, albruno ? It is not important whether the beloved leader will send his rockets over to the US ?
You have not thought this thing through.
@Steve-3883232
If you honestly believe NK will EVER have the ability to turn the Eastern seaboard (or the much closer WESTERN seaboard for that matter) into a nuclear wasteland you are living in a delusional fantasy land already. You should probably stop wasting time posting on the internet and finish prepping your bunker.
Why are we sending them food anyway. They are our enemy!
I, as a natural born citizen of the United States did not qualify for food stamps when my 2 year old and I really needed them. Why should we give our enemy food?
Stupid!
Senator Kyl is another war-monger who wont put money where his mouth is? When he proposes a War Tax I will take him seriously. It's always borrow and spend from him and his colleagues; that's how we got a $1 trillion DEBT for their bogus wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you want Americans to take you seriously have the guts to propose a WAR TAX!
That is such a good point. A war tax will make people think very differently. Hell, Bush started two wars and gave people tax refunds! How does that make any sense?
I am generally anti-tax, but I actually like this idea. It makes sense to demand extra resources from the populace when our military is actively engaged, and it will make people more cautious about foreign adventures if it were to impact them directly.
Of course, that also creates the bizarre incentive of a government to start wars to get additional funding...
Anyway, we're not going to war with NK any time soon, so calm the frack down.
Thats assuming the government could ever actually make a profit instead of a deficit, which seems pretty unlikely. This would really help ease the deficits created by a war though, which is why we took steps similar to that in WWII and WWI, how is that with all of our intellectual and technological advancements the leaders of our nation were wiser almost a century ago than they are today?
@SF accountant
You make it sound like the "populace" has some say over whether we go to war or not. FYI- we don't.
Backcountry: Both you and SF accountant make valid points. I have to say that, like SF, I am generally opposed to taxes that I feel are excessive. [we paid 87 grand in just Federal income tax (not to mention all the other taxes: gas, sales, property, etc.) this year after all deductions, so I don't want to hear any of this "you're not paying your fair share" bulls#it from the almost 50% of the working populace of this country that pay NOTHING toward the cost of the government, and military...but I digress]
Anyway, even being against taxes, as I described above; I actually like the idea of a war tax also. The way that it meshes with your point about not having some say is that if, for example, the bill was written so that congress can't start a war (or non-declared conflict) lasting over, say 90 days in duration, without a war tax being automatically imposed, they'll think a bit harder about engaging in a conflict knowing that they will be responsible for imposing that tax automatically. And will have to face the voters for that as well.
I like the idea of a war tax. Better mark this day on your calendar, you may not see me make a similar statement in this lifetime.
@ConservativeNotRepublican
To the best of my knowledge (since WW1 for sure) every war the US has been involved in had the support of the majority of the people at the start, even Vietnam. Not much of a deterrent if people are likely to support the idea anyway. In fact it could even become an excuse. Politicians have little trouble riling people up with BS as we see every day. Imagine if they could con people into asking to be taxed just by convincing them there was a threat. We all know how easy that is after all.
Backcountry: I can't argue with that logic, except to say that if people started seeing it come out of their paycheck in actual money they are paying, it would make that support evaporate pretty quickly if there was not an exceedingly clear mission and goal. Especially if EVERYONE started seeing it come out of their check, not just the so called rich. People will often support things they don't think have any immediate direct effect on their lifestyle: Start deducting every check and it will become apparent very quickly what the cost is. Far too often since the 1950's, we have fought not to lose instead of fighting to win.
Of course, the reality is that congress, even a Democrat congress would never pass such a tax because they understand as well as I do, that in this instance, this particular tax would siphon OFF their power, not give them more as they are accustomed to tax increases doing. Which, come to think of it, is an even better reason to support it.
@SFaccountant
...........You don't brush off UN SC resolutions. Or rather, countries DO, but then they should expect and deserve severe diplomatic and economic consequences......
How many UN SC resolutions did israel brush off? Did israel suffer any diplomatic and economic consequences?
I bet right now North Korea is begging: Please don't condemn us. Take our land, take our children, anything you want. Just don't condemn us.
The latest update is that the US stopped food aid. That's pretty big condemnation for a nation that can't feed itself.
Sad part is is that the food aid which is supposed to be for the starving people never gets to them. The ruling class takes it all and uses it for their own gain. That is why we are cutting it off.
So why were we giving it to them in the first place??? Or any other dictatorship country for that matter??? Are our leaders really that stupid? Wait, let me answer my own question... Yep!
Maybe it's because we are better than they are. There is also the concept of the carrot and the stick and when you take away the carrot the stick can't be far behind.
Being a realist, however, it is damned near impossible to reason with an irrational actor. Ever try to talk a baby into not crying? Sometimes you just gotta let them cry until the calm the f#@k down. I take it we will start hearing the wimpering soon enough.
I was in Korea in the Army 1966 to 1967. We ran patrols in the DMZ and lookout at GP Barbera. We were
called out on meny alerts. Why are we still playing this silly game with NO. Korea. Didn"t we learn from the
Korean Conflick. Why do we have to be the protectors of the world. We have enough problems here in the
United Staes Of America. I am proud to have served our country in the Army. This really upsets me all the good AMERICANS we have lost. I'm sorry but I just don't get it... GOD BLEASS AMERICA!!!!!!
The Korean Conflict has actually never ended. Just an armistice was agreed upon but no Peace Treaty to End the conflict. Till this day North Korea claims victory, U. N. force considered it a stalemate.
Asian defense system should be called the "Taipo Un-Dong No-Ha".
It's not just America that needs to worry about these nut cases. If they do happen to develop nukes they do have a couple of allies in this world. This world is way to small to have a nuke war going on anywhere.
The fact that these crazy bastards have been in charge doing what they are doing for so long is mind boggling. They kill and torture there people by the 1000's and the world just puts on there blinders and ignores the problem untill they start playing around with these massive weapons.
Let me ask this, does there killing really need to leave there borders before the world starts looking at them as a threat? It's only a matter of time!
The world (meaning the UN, not just America) needs to take care of these threats around the world. This would be a perfect time to make an example that the world is sick of the bully @!$%#. This could really be one of the most cost effictive wars ever, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Kill the crazies and let the poor North Korean people see the real world for the first time in a long time.
Wow! Your grammar and spelling are atrocious!
We do not have a good record for "liberating" countries militarily.
It's not a bad thought, but it just doesn't work. In this world there's too much stigma attached to having foreign soldiers running through your cities.
Putting aside that Korea has a traumatic history involving occupations and that this sort of thing is what NK has been fearing and preparing for for decades... not gonna happen. Sorry.
MacArthur was ready to walk into China during the original conflict. Had he been allowed to do so, North Korea and China would not be a problem.
It's a novel idea, but we know that we can't do it. It'd be nice though.
Let me ask you something. Why should I take your opinion seriously when you are so uninformed as not to know that NK already has nukes?
krijer95 is just another Another Republicant genius. Let the other Sovereign nations do as they please, after-all isn't America for freedoms, or only the ones we say you can have? America is full of tyrants and warmongers at home, we should focus on them, not the world. We run our mouth like we don't have some 5000+ Nukes in our little stockpile and we are worried about Iran and North Korea who might get one? LMAO What a joke..
America needs to solve the problems in OUR own backyards, not the worlds. You see krijer, America has always been about the world and not about OUR homeland. For almost 236 years as a nation we have been in conflict with someone, somewhere around the globe or at home. Its time to stop trying to conquer the world. It has been tried and done to death and for the most part, if history is correct and usually is, except for the bible and that god junk, conquering the world, does NOT work! Instead of America trying to rule the world, how about America and her people for once?
Time to let the UN, yes the UN handle these matters. No-one wants to work with the USA unless we waive cash under their noses to get them to vote for USA, i mean with us! We spend hundreds of billions in payola to other nations just so they will either work with us, or leave certain bastard child nations alone. Just an example here, America pays Jordan billions to leave Israel alone. WTF you say? Yeah its in the state departments budgets! If we were to stop the endless wars, endless payola to foreign nations, maybe America would have enough cash to pave the roads, fix our miserably failing infrastructure, like our electrical grids, our pipelines of all sorts. Keep the GOP in power and we'll be involved with Iran, China and Russia, then what? Can we handle a war with those 3? NO
420: Let me get this straight: Obama escalates in Afghanistan, he makes a congressionally unauthorized attack in Pakistan to get Bin Laden (Which I approved of). He makes other congressionally unauthorized attacks on Yemen, and Libya, and also sends "advisers" to Uganda. All of this was done without the same congressional approval that liberals screamed their heads off for Bush to get, and which, by the way, Bush did get approval for, including approval by many Democrats. So, if you think those actions are the traits of Obama not willing to get us into a war, if necessary, you certainly see it in a different light than I do.
Now, let's look at a little history shall we. If you want to say both Bush presidents got us into war, you'd be absolutely correct. But...BUT!! When we went into war during WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, guess which party was in the White House? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the Republicans. Now, you add up the total war loss of American soldiers lives in the wars Democrats got us into, and then compare it to the wars Republicans got us into, and then tell me which party has cost FAR MORE in lost American life. I'll give you the same hint again. It wasn't the Republican party.
As far as the rest of your post goes, it may surprise you to know that I agree with a lot of it; not all, but a lot. I just disagree with your implication that it's only the Republicans that get us into war. Study some history.
John, From about 1910 till end of WWll Korea was one nation occupied by Japan. End of WWll it was split Soviet backed North U.S. backed south, like East, West Belin etc was split. The N. Korean army though supplied with Soviet weapons invaded the South on its own accord, without Soviet backing ie troops. Later in 1950 the N. Korean forces were repelled and all but defeated by U.N. troops the Chinese entered the conflict on its own accord again without Soviet troops. The U.S. kept negotiations with USSR for the COLD WAR had started already and fearing WWlll with nuclear weapons possibly involved. UN has a non aggression policy hence forth why China was not invaded and defeated. If the UN invaded China they would now be aggressors and not defenders, ie of S Korea. Just like first Iraq war, once Iraq was pushed out of Kuwait etc and no longer posed a threat the UN stopped. To invade Iraq and defeat Saddam the U.N. would be aggressors not defenders of Kuwait. With over %80 of the U.N. troops in Korea, U.S. troops, one reason MacArthur was removed for he wanted to invade and engage the Chinese, against U.N. doctrine but he had the troops and equipment to do so in place. It was feared that being the commander MacArthur was going to invade China with or without the U.N. Also USSR "agreed" to stay out of it by it being a defensive action on S. Korea's part. It was feared by "invading" China it would no longer be a conflict between North and South Korea but between China and U.S. and possible Soviet full out support of China. Hence possible WWlll. Also if the U.S. invaded China it more than likely no longer be a member of the U.N.
WWll bombing of Pearl Harbor I would say a very good reason to go to war with the Axis.
Pres. Eisehower was the first to send advisors and "CIA" into South Vietnam.
roc1960: I didn't say anything about the reasons. Using liberal logic, we should have never gone to war in Europe because Germany never attacked us. Liberals said attacking Iraq was like attacking Mexico for Pearl Harbor. On the surface, that argument has some merit, but only if you are consistent in the application. You can't support one and condemn the other.
Eisenhower did indeed send advisers to Vietnam. And during the Clinton administration, every major player said Iraq possessed WMD's. I can give you quotes from all of them. Actually, they knew it to be a fact, because Iraq had previously used them on their own people. Needless to say, this was before Bush Jr. was ever elected. And then 9-11 happened. The one thing those with selective memory always leave out of the equation is that, in the months following being attacked, Americans were in no mood to take any chances. Every major intell agency in the world said the same thing about Iraq. So, if reasons are the standard, then you have to include everything in context, including the attack on 9-11. But as I said, those with selective memory always leave out one of the most important factors: The fact that Americans, including many Democrats, were not going to just idly sit by to wait and see: Not after 9-11 they weren't. (Just for the record: Obama, however, was NOT one of those. He voted against it.)
So, you can look at it as: Clinton thought Iraq had WMD's, but did nothing about it, and also had at least one, if not several, chances to take out Bin Laden, including one opportunity where he was actually in the sites of an American sniper, but ordered them not to shoot.
Or, you can look at it as: Clinton was wise not to send in troops at that time. If troops sent in is the standard, then okay, I'll give Obama a pass on his Ugandan "advisors", but in doing so, in order to remain consistent, then Eisenhower also gets a pass. Just as in the first example, you can't include one and not the other. Even so, it was Kennedy, a Democrat who sent in the first troops. And to be fair to Obama as well, to my knowledge, no American, advisor or otherwise, has died in Uganda...yet. But today, the fact that Eisenhower first sent in advisors, is not much more than a footnote in the history of the Vietnam war. But as I said, if you give one a pass, you have to give both a pass.
But as is often the case, some will selectively apply some standards to some situations, and then change the rules to suit their argument on the next one. Nope, can't do that. You are either consistent in applying your logic and standards or you're not. Above all else, I try and be consistent. That's why I have no problem criticising Republicans as well as liberals.
(Completely random here, but msnbc spell check does not recognize the word advisor as being spelled that way for some reason (that's the way I originally spelled it as well), so in my first post, I went with what it said was correct, even though it didn't give the advisor option, and didn't "look right". It gave advisory, but not advisor. Wonder what's up with that?)
As far as advisor don't know whats up with that. Actually, down to it Pres. Truman sent in "CIA" and Advisers into Vietnam During their conflict to end French Colonialism prior to North and South Vietnam right after WWll. We were involved in Vietnam for many years. Pres. Johnson sent in first combat troops into Vietnam for the sole purpose of engaging the enemy 1967. First death was in 1963. Some use the Truman Doctrine in place as for our involvement in Korea and Vietnam. Germany and Japan had a Pact that if any nation Attacked and or declared war on one also ment a declaration of war onto the other. Also that one support the other if such declaration arose. At one time we had an non involvement agreement in place with Hitler after his invasion of Poland etc. A Declaration of war against Japan essentially was a declaration of war against Germany. We declared war on each separately to formally end our agreement with Hitler and to support England. Prior to Pearl Harbor there were secret negotiations ongoing with Churchill and Roosevelt for the U.S. to enter the war possibly whereas England would not fall into Hitlers Control. We had been sending support to Churchill prior to our involvement. As far as Pres. Clinton goes, asleep on his watch? Clinton had CIA intelligence of Al-Qaedas plans but failed to act. Many forgot the Sandy Berger involvement. What about the USS Cole attacked by Al-Qaeda? U.S. Sailors were killed. If Clinton would have acted as swift and precise as Reagan did on the Lockerbie incident could 9/11 been avoided? Only Speculation. What about our involvement Clinton had us in with Bosnia Serb conflict? Saddam gassing his own people? Carter and the Hostages in Iran for over a year. Contra Rebels? Last let us not forget Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs, that could have potentially blown up in or face there. World Politics is a dirty little affair list goes on.
roc1960: I don't know what your political leanings are, but with your last post, you show that you take an objective look at things on both sides. I try and do the same, thus my comments trying to be as fair and accurate as I could concerning Obama. The major point being that both sides have taken action when they thought it necessary; not just one as some would try to imply.
I especially liked your comments concerning Clinton. There are those that seem to believe that we were at peace during the Clinton administration. I guess if you don't count the first WTC attack, the Oklahoma City bombing (yes, I understand that was home grown), Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia, USS Cole, Kobar Towers, blowing up a Chinese embassy, occasionally launching a cruise missile at Iraq, not to mention actions that we will never know about, then yeah, I guess it was pretty "peaceful".
I also think your last sentence summed it up pretty well. World politics is indeed a dirty affair. There seems to be more than enough on both sides who don't understand one basic simple fact of geo-politics, and that fact is the reality that people who support your interests and will be your ally on one day, may turn and be your enemy the next, depending on what best supports their self interest.
Thank You for elaborating, on Pres. Clinton I tried to keep it brief. Being a Vet. it made my guts turn when I saw the U.S. Military getting dragged through the streets in Somalia. I hope his sole is at peace. Go through recent history and look at each President, Don't matter Dem or Rep. each has had there "involvements". Some worked out. Some blew up in their face. Cost some reelection. Im tired of some Praising this past president for he was a Dem. or praising this one for he was a Rep. They all had their fingers in world politics and conflicts etc. Who was Right and who was Wrong I guess I will let history decide. As far as things now this country is a mess, Blame it on Bush, Blame it on Obama, Why not blame it on Both hows that? Throw Clinton in on the blame also? Im just sick of it all. Time for a change, Big Change but with who? Step back now for here will come the posts possibly slamming the both of us. Gives me a laugh some days! Who knows call me a racist, seems to be the Card played on both sides now.
please you all talk to much without saying anything
o no not agan just take care of the good old [ USA ] A LIST of thing u can do usa. 1>schools r a mess. 2. highway are a joke. 3.health---- give me a break. 4 taxs where do i start . 5 this can go on and on i only been hear for 15yr and it will be the same for the next 15yr so tuck it in and put up with the sh** . i better get to school what left of it.
Looks like you better brush up on some grammar classes, too.
Grow up and try correctly spelling and punctuating your posts. This isn't Text Messaging 101. People might think that you have something worth saying if you can write in plain English.
Please marrkshue, stop commenting. You just wasted 10 seconds of my life that I can't get back.
Good...let the Chinese and Iranian's feed them
I do not know whether the Chinese have enough rice to give some away. The Iranians don't. Under the Shah, they were self-sufficient as far as rice went, now they are the No.1 importer from Thailand. What I did notice, though, is that Iran always puts itself into international headlines with some histrionic announcements - just when the North Koreans are trying to launch their rockets. May be someone can figure that one out !
Dang! I tried to get it odds on that launch, no one would take the bet.
I'm sure Vegas had it covered!
If they had went with the right side 60 years ago Hyundai would've built them a damn fine rocket.
Had went? Really?
Redundancy acknowledged. Thanks Mrs. Milligan from third grade, I thought you were dead. Then again (oops) would "had gone" been okay?
cullerco - I, too, am getting annoyed at those here who feel they must critique people's grammar and spelling. What is this ? A forum for English teachers only ? In this, our free country, everyone has the right to comment, even those who may have "bad" English. The opinion of everyone is interesting and important.
so there !
@ cullerco
Hyandai builing a damn fine rocket. Really?
SK did not fare any better than their northern brethren. In June 2010 SK launched a missile that ended in total failure. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10281073
Know your fact before you shoot from your hip.
out in the woods: I second that.
Obama has already condemned them. So the North wants to play rough? B.O. has a plan B. This time he will update the teleprompter to "sternly condemn" the North. That will teach those commies! If that fails, there's plan C which is even tougher. B.O. is already working on a plan to send another aid package their way. There's no escaping the aid package and the North knows it! MWWAAAAAAAAAA
Hey glock9loaded, how classy...lol you must have it hidden under your mamas bed....lol
nothing to see here, Shhhhhh. I'll tell you if you can keep a secret. They keep it under your mamas dress. They can probably bake a lot of bread. There's enough yeast to feed a country. There's also 40 lbs. of crack there too!
And what would General Glock propose we do about North Korea?
General Glock thinks we should get the teleprompter out and announce another HUGE aid package. Go right to plan C. No more messing around with plan B. That will teach them!
Still waiting on your solution, kiddo. Come on, General. What are you afraid of?
Toasty, NOTHING can be done without the teleprompter. Ask the POTUS. He'll tell you. In the meantime, we can create a distraction by blaming something on the right. Yea, that's it, we'll blame something on the right! Anything! On the sideline, we'll also pledge another $1.5 Billion to the Muslim Brotherhood so nobody gets mad at us. It's no wonder I'm General Glock. Yeeeaaaaaaaaa
I didn't think you had any ideas. That's why Obama is commander in chief, and you're trolling on a website.
Obummer is apologizer in chief and spender in chief. That's all. And you're trolling my post. Are you flirting with me? Hey, that's not cool man. I'm happily married! No flirting with the General.
Name one apology. Go on.
Sorry kiddo, you're gonna have to do a lot better than that.
Toasty, you make it too easy.
thehill.com/video/house/215103-obama-apology-tour-ridiculed-by-house-republican-in-floor-speech
http:// Put the bold in front of the web address or it will not let me post it. Watch the video and read. Too easy kiddo.
Toasty? Nothing? MwwaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaaa
The General strikes again!
Daiwoo went north and built the rocket
Who didn't see this coming????????
lolo.... Okay, may be and just may be, they should stick with paper air planes instead.
What are those fantastic Korean fire works called? Monkeys blowing lotus petals?
what is next ? I bet we send aid again if there is a re-election!
How do you figure that? Obama hasn't sent them so much as a sandwich since he was elected, and now he's lost any possible incentive to do so.
No response, Brian?
SF accountant
How do you figure that? Obama hasn't sent them so much as a sandwich since he was elected, and now he's lost any possible incentive to do so.
So canceling the food is just a lie/fabrication? Since you can't cancel something that did not exist.
Obama had already sent aid to N. Korea under the premise of N. Korea to halt any and all missles, nuke testing and development.
This whole problem started when one nuclear scientist from a regime "friendly to the US"gave the knowhow to Iran, North Korea,Libya and now has gone out of Control.Libya gave it up and so gaddafi had nothing to Negotiate with the west eventually costing him his life.
Syria got it from Iran but Isarel destroyed it.Do you think that people who have no respect for their own citizens care about the lives of people in other countries?
However the way the missile tests are turning out and they are so inaccurate that if Iran fires a missile against Isarel it may land on Somalia and if North Korea fires a missile against USA it may land on Venezuela or Cuba.
Every nation is at risk and therefore should be opposed to the nuclear ambitions of these countries.
By the way if you want Nuclear Power without the risk of weapons go for THORIUM.
Both THORIUM and URANIUM were studied by US military many many years back and both were good at producing nuclear power.However the US Military was dissapointed with Thorium as it did not kill anbody.
If Japan had a Thorium plant in Fukoshima they would be much better off today.
"However the way the missile tests are turning out and they are so inaccurate that if Iran fires a missile against Isarel it may land on Somalia and if North Korea fires a missile against USA it may land on Venezuela or Cuba."
That's the best argument I've ever heard for allowing nuclear proliferation. Let's tell Iran we've changed our mind. And then as the first item we trade with them, send them a bunch of defective world atlases.
good point!!!
Nice thought, but atlases are obsolete, now that everyone in the world has GPS technology. Originally, the US had a nearly exclusive capability to use GPS for the military, but then the Clinton Administration decided it would be better to release it to the world. Now a phony altas is meaningless, since finding map coordinates for almost any target on the planet just requires a few moments searching on Google.
They're so fierce when they're condemning nations.
They condemn other nations to cover up for their own inadequacies.
I agree retired.Its to keep us looking the outher way.
I wonder if anyone has given thought to the possibility that the crash of the Korean ICBM was no accident but rather a shoot down by the US in an effort to test its new anti ballistic missile technology and embarrass North Korea. The most vulnerable segment of an ICBM's flight is its ascending stage where the flight is relatively slow and pretty much a straight trajectory and thus an easier target then when it is descending on its objective. The US navy is known to have been working on a ship born system that can intercept a newly launched ICBM from hundreds of miles at sea. There could be a lot of high fiving at the Pentagon today.
Anyone with any sense has had that very thought. Even a secret particle beam. undetected. Its like bring a knife to a gun fight.
It's possible, but what's the point in speculating?
As much as I'd like to think that Flight Lead got the kill... Let's face it, the DPRK's "rocket" was nothing more than a washing machine wrapped in tin foil. They're just lucky it made it off the pad.
"The Obama administration should abandon its naive negotiations with N. Korea and Iran, and instead focus on fully funding missle defenses that can protect the United States from ballistic missle threats."
Umm, Helloooo? Everyone knows that all he needs is a "little time" and then he'll have some "flexibility".
"I will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Barack Hussein Obama, from Audacity of Hope.
Read "Meltdown" to see just how well the stragtegy put forth above worked.
So Jay, would you like to put the whole quotations in for us, just so they're in context?
That's right, I didn't think so...
Toasty..please post the whole quote
Geez I seem to remember Condeleza Rice and the Bush administration negotiating with them too. and the Clinton administration before them and so on and so on, so take your partisan bull @!$%#e and cram it, diplomacy and hope springs eternal.
Happily. In fact, I'll do you one better:
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/
I've got another one for you Toasty, a guy I grew up with was first generation American, born here of Syrian parents, of course during the whole every person of Arab heritage is a threat he gets interrogated. This is one of the best men I know, at the time of his "interview" he was 55 years old, born here in the good old USA, and yet, he's to be looked at with a magnifying glass, damn, his mom even had the whole family convert to Catholicism just so they would fit in better with the neighborhood. Now he professes the most conservative stances on almost anything because I think they scared the bejabbers out of him.
You sure you're responding to the right post here, Steve?
Toasty
What I am saying is that discrimination against Americans of Arab ethnicity is akin to what the Japanese suffered during WWII
What happened to the "right to bear arms"? I guess that only applies to Americas.
LMAO! It does!! And you vote?
Do you think that psychotic people should bear arms also?
Yeah, let's put guns in the hands of know serial killers. Please do use all a favor and shut up!
And what will you do when you cross paths with a "know" serial killer?? Hug him?? Please tell "use" how that works out for you!
Are you serious? Do you actually understand what you are saying?
No, you don't hug the serial killer you jackass, you try to keep the guns out of there hands and shoot there asses when you have a problem with them.
See how that works, moron!
typical liberal comeback....name calling, What are you? 8 years old?
When you talk like an ass, don't be supprised when you get called an ass.
Sorry, it's the way things work!
see how it worked in fla.
krijer95 fyi.....their
@krijer95, no it's not the way things work, it makes you look childish. People tend to lash out with name calling as a last line of defense. How it works is that if you don't agree with someone, you tell them why you disagree, you know, an actual counter argument, not just call them a moron. It doesn't reinforce your argument, it makes people ignore it. Second, we aren't speaking of serial killers, don't throw strawman arguments into it. Stick with the issue that is being discussed, which was someone apparently thinking that our constitution extends to other countries.
seems to me that any kind of gun law...has ZERO impact on criminals aquiring guns
American Citizen, you are so right. It is so obvious and yet people don't see it. Even if you outlawed and confiscated each and every legally acquired weapon, the criminals would be able to keep theirs because they can't be traced. In the end, only criminals would have weapons !
Great scenario ....
Did anyone else hear those cheap fireworks yesterday? I heard something about any party for some dead guy named Kim. But nobody showed up.So they tossed the cake into the sea.
Actually news came out immediately following the "splash"
"It no rocket we test,it submarine!"
And also from Kim,
"I tell them no launch rocket on Friday 13,bad ruck!"
Jaypea,
Your comments bring to mind an incident that happened to a friend of mine in Korea. He was speaking to a Korean lady in the same manner as your post. When she asked him why he was speaking to her like that, he told that is the way he always spoke to Koreans. She responded, "Well in the future I would prefer you to address me in proper English."
My point? It would be much funnier if you tried to use proper English. Or is that too difficult for you to understand?
Pet peeve, those who say "why don't they speak English?" and when they try the questioner mocks the effort.
Huh? Lighten up Francis!
LMAO!!
JP
I liked it. Humor is great.
@attriya-3977124 to bring it even a step further, my fiance is Korean and both her and her parents speak perfect English. Her mom has a slight accent, but their use of grammar is usually better than most native speaking Americans.
yeah, Koreans do not have the "L" - "R" problem since their language is very different from Chinese. I have never met a Korean with bad English. I swear !
Actually it's not the Chinese that have a problem with L and R, it's the Japanese.
I think they should just stick to bottle rockets..
They probably couldn't successfully launch those either.
No food aid for 10 years should be in order, Let them explore the horizons of agraculture and lead the world in ground-breaking developments
Someone please explain to me why we were giving them any aid at all? Giving them food, giving them money, when all the while the food isn't feeding their population and the money is going into military programs like this. We're so stupid to continually give countries like this aid while in return they're pi$$ing in our faces.
You launch rocket? No soup for you!
It's blackmail by NK. They are playing us for suckers.
@Dean,
It the American way... We always seem to try and "buy" our so called friends. Can you say Pakistan?
Well, Dean. Whether or not people pee in our faces as a government is irrelevant. The best psy-ops are performed by turning the people against their leaders by acts of kindness. This is just one reason. Another is that there are people in this world that do truly care about helping the innocent caught in turmoil... but then the government uses their best laid efforts for a psy-ops war to try to spread the seed that AMERICA IS THE GOOD-GUY!!! YEAH!!! lol. I think you get my drift.
But in the long run what does it hurt to make the world a better place? I'd go help people if I had the means... Even though it's funny that people in America want to always help foreigners and will literally pee on the poor in America. Guess the peeing goes both ways...
Exactly Master Ben . . . let's solve our own $15 trillion debt problem before we go giving food to North Korea. We've created quite a few poor people with this last recession. Our own people are starving. Feeding the North Korean's just allows that idiot ex-Mouse kateer looking retard to have enough money to keep shooting off his little rockets. What an idiot.
I guess, however, we should thank the North Koreans for one thing, they have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, how stupid and ridiculous a Communist dictatorship is in the long run vs. a free society.
To prove my point, let's do an experiment.
Let's take a country, split them down the middle, run one as a free democratic society, and the other as a Communist dictatorship, let them govern their people for 50 years, then see how it all turns out. I'll bet one would flourish and the other would all starve to death.
Oh yea, we already did that experiment. And the results? Well let's see, I have a Samsung refridg in my kitchen, a Hyundai vehicle in my garage, and an LG TV in my living room. And what fine products have the North Korean's produced? Well, they've produced quite a little fantasy world where everyone is happy and their leader looks like a fat tard.
But at least he's well fed.
Poor technology
Target Israel may land on Somalia
Target USA may land on Venezuela or Cuba.
Syria -Nuclear facilty destroyed by israel.
Any country which has no respect for the lives of its citizens will have no qualms about killing people in other countries.
Every Country has a duty to oppose these launches.
If any body wants Nuclear power that cannot be used to produce nuclear weapons they should use THORIUM.
Both THORIUM and Uranium were studied by the US military.However the military did not like Thoruim because it did not kill anybody.
Japan would have lot less problems if they had a Thorium nuclear plant in Fukoshima.
By the way let us not forget that the the person who sold this technology to all terrorist nations was a rogue scientist "from a US Ally"
Gaddafi gave up his nuclear technology -see what happened to him.
You make a dam good point!
heck, everytime they target something it blows up, or fails and falls into the sea. I guess hunger gets in the way of calcualtions.
If thorium is the way to go with nuclear power. Why hasn't the US implemented it more? There is already a internet rumor going around suggesting the US will be in a world of hurt next year when that so called Uranium agreement made between the US and Russia ends. (The agreement is where the russians are giving us thier supply of uranium warheads for our use for power. )
If Uranium is in such short supply. Why not start useing more thorium?