Spanish king 'very sorry' for elephant-hunting vacation

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Spain's King Juan Carlos leaves his room at a hospital after being discharged in Madrid, April 18.

Spain’s King Juan Carlos apologized Wednesday after he was roundly condemned for allegedly going elephant-hunting in Botswana as his country struggles amid the economic downturn.

“I am very sorry. I’ve made a mistake and it will not happen again,” Juan Carlos said Wednesday morning after he left a hospital in Madrid, where he was treated for a broken hip he sustained during his safari. His remarks were reported by several news outlets, including the English-language website, typicallyspanish.com.


It was not entirely clear whether he was sorry for trying to kill elephants, doing so at a time of austerity for many Spaniards, or simply for getting injured.

United Left party leader Cayo Lara said the king was “clearly not losing any sleep over the fact that thousands of young people are unemployed, while he goes off to Africa to hunt elephants,” according to the English-language Olive Press website.

The U.K.’s BBC News reported that while it was widely reported the king had been hunting elephants, the royal family had not confirmed or denied this.

It said Spanish newspapers had published pictures of the king standing with a gun beside a dead elephant dating back to 2006.

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And I can barely afford to go squirrel hunting.

  • 10 votes
#1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:25 AM EDT

The only thing this guy is sorry about is getting caught, I also want to say that he is not the only one. Most ALL politicians in power (anywhere in the world) get away with similar abuses. How much is it costing the US taxpayers for all the private planes used by our politicians?

  • 25 votes
#1.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

The article said nothing about using taxpayer's money. No apology necessary in my opinion, everyone deserves a vacation once in a while.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:11 AM EDT

People that hunt for sport are sick twisted and pathetic cowards. If they wanna get a thrill by killing a poor defenseless creature, then at least do it with a bow and arrow or a spear and give that lion or leopard a fighting chance. Whats that?? I didn't think so. Like I said before the extinction of the human race is the best thing that can happen to this planet.

  • 26 votes
#1.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

It's so much easier to as "forgiveness" rather than "permission". All these supposedly smart people do whatever they want to do, and then say they're sorry. Who cares after the fact, and who in their right mind would forgive. And, certainly not forgive their stupidity - which, in itself, should be a punishable crime.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

I'm sorry for hunting elephants, I didn't have the brains to know better before I went, but I do now! I did however get some really excellent trophies which I'll be hanging on my wall, you know, to remind me just how very wrong I was.

  • 16 votes
#1.5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:20 AM EDT

WORDS YOU WILL NEVER HEAR FROM A US POLITICIAN:

“I am very sorry. I’ve made a mistake and it will not happen again,”

  • 12 votes
#1.6 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:22 AM EDT

The notion of "royalty" is idiotic and to go elephant hunting is downright moronic. As far as the tax payers are concerned, who do you think "maintains" these people. Although they probably have plenty of money of their own, no doubt they get a very generous "allowance," free housing, servants, all the trappings, from the govt.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

Karma? Ya' Think!?!

Juan Carlos, you are an imbecile.

  • 11 votes
#1.8 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 AM EDT

Hell with Spain and it's austerity. What about the elephants? Declining numbers, war on poachers and this pr*ck goes hunting for them.

  • 18 votes
#1.9 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:45 AM EDT

These hunting trips are legal and are regulated by their government. Believe it or not, hunting is good for the local economies. A ton of money is generated by these trips that would otherwise be generated by illegal poaching and such.

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

Okicize, like many uninformed bunny huggers, doesn't realize elephants have a wide range and are NOT all endangered or have declining numbers within their whole range. They also don't realize that the best way to protect a species is to give it an ecomonic value. I'm not talking about black market value, but a value to all the people in the area. Elephant hunts are very controled as are the number of permits. Clueless individuals like Snake09 have never been near an elephant, or most likely anywhere near an actual animal, are just sad self-haters.

Like I said before the extinction of the human race is the best thing that can happen to this planet.

I would guess no one is stopping you from beginning without us.

  • 13 votes
#1.11 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

He doesn't look like he could hit the broadside of an Elephant.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

Easier to ask forgiveness than permission.....

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:17 PM EDT

AND..........you will never hear obummer say that he is sorry for taking 1000 vacations on OUR wallet!!!! Nor apologizing for his mate ;o) for taking vacations and spending OUR HARD earned MONEY!!!!!!!!! God forbid.....OH I mean allah forbid.

  • 6 votes
#1.14 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:22 PM EDT

@Snake09 Why don't you start the human extinction process by offing yourself.

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

Like GW did not take vacations? You are just another one of those haters. Get the facts before you spout and you won't seem so foolish. GW Bush spent far more money on his stupid wars. We are still trying to get out of the mess that he put us into. So do us all a favor and vote for Obama/Biden 2012.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

The King of Spain(like Queen Elizabeth II in England) is in fact merely the"symbolic" leader of his country. They both have representive -elected governments.Still both these countries seem to enjoy having "royals" -- I agree that they are given far too much money to live a wonderful lifestyle --especially when the people of their countires are in need of jobs in these unsure economic times. But again, this is something that the people of both these country have to consider. I am more concerned with the unneccessary killing of the elephants. Aren't they an endangered species? As the article implied, it was not clear if the King was "sorry" for taking the vaction, hunting or just for getting injuried during the trip. But as we see in our own country -- the rich do not really feel they need to live by the same rules or have the same responsibities for their action as do the rest of the folks.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

only little kids and polititions can get away with using the "im sorry and i wont do it again" bull@!$%# normal people like me would be in jail for the rest of our lives probably

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

You mean the wars Obummer kept funding for the past 3 years with the billions of dollars he borrowed from China?

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:17 PM EDT

@kittykat-346842

God, what a moron!!! I bet you care what the Kardashians are doing too, don't you.

  • 1 vote
#1.20 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:20 PM EDT

King Juan Carlos, Chavez says "Shut up".

  • 2 votes
#1.21 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

How do you know he's a king?

Because he hasn't got $hit all over him!

I hope the elephant broke his hip!!!

what a ROYAL JERK!!

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

@kittykat-346842

Like GW did not take vacations? You are just another one of those haters. Get the facts before you spout and you won't seem so foolish. GW Bush spent far more money on his stupid wars.

Not that I agree with derailing this thread but since you are interested in facts, the Obama siimtulus cost more money than the war in Iraq and accomplished about as much. Well, technically you could probably make the argument that the war in Iraq created more jobs than the so-called "stimulus" but regardless, they were both an epic waste of taxpayer money. The fact that Bush was a bad President is hardly a valid excuse to vote for our current President who is every bit as bad.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

Again, I don't know if the elepants in question were "endangered" or not -- but the fact of the matter is that the Royals do get their money from the people. They do not hold down real jobs. Also a "FACT" if an old "bull" elephant or a horse had broken it's hip -- it would be"put down" -- because it more humane, faster and yes -- cost less than the whole "healing process" would cost-- for those who are bringing up President Obama and his vacations -- if you really research that on a 'real" informational website -- NOT FOX -- you would find that George W Bush did in fact take more vacations than Obama has to date. And as far as the cost of the wars (again, they were started under, but not legally funded under Bush). I am no fan of the wars, myself-- But if you have any knowledge about any "war effort" -- you can not just cut and run -- when you get bored with it -- You must 'scale down'-- which is exactly what the President is doing. Is it fast enough for some -- No. But on the other hand -- there are those (mostly on the right) who want to keep going and also re-start the war in Iraq and also expand fighting with Iran. -- By the way -- it is intersting that many of those who are the most for war never serviced a day in uniform in a war zone -- and at best, just played "soldier" for a short while safe and sound in the USA. Bush spent eight years digging us into these holes (economic and wars) -- Wouldn't you think it just might take a little bit more time to fix everything and get our troops home? Please don't hate education and reading and writing folks , Knowledge is a good thing -- get the real facts-- you might just "learn something" -- much to the displeasure of FOX (Not) news.

  • 1 vote
#1.24 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:16 PM EDT

@The Painful Truth-2712888

I am no fan of the wars, myself-- But if you have any knowledge about any "war effort" -- you can not just cut and run -- when you get bored with it -- You must 'scale down'-- which is exactly what the President is doing.

LOL! BS! What we are doing now is nation building and our current President is every bit as culpable as the last. Stop making excuses for him. He is pandering to the same crowd Bush did with his "scale down" garbage. And did you forget that it was Obama that championed the surge in Afghanistan? A surge can in no way be considered "scaling down". And before you come back with the nonsense about him pulling out of Afghanistan please do recall that it is happening ONLY because he utterly failed when he tried to negotiate a longer stay with the Afghan government. So many hypocrites on the left protested the wars daily right up to the point that Obama took office. Now they are nowhere to be seen and the best we get from liberals is "I'm no fan of wars myself--BUT, (insert excuse here)"

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:37 PM EDT

King Juan Carlos' actions are DESPICABLE on multiple levels and for multiple reasons!

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:03 PM EDT

El rey Juan Carlos debe abdicar el trono. Es inexcusable de matar elefantes para deporte y diversion. Los elefantes son animales muy inteligentes y ademas ellos son compremedios. Una persona que matara a estos animales no debe representar la gente de Espana. El rey ES Espana asi mientras el es rey Espana es una pais que mata animales compremetido para deporte. Pues, las corridas de toros todavia ocure alli asi no es una sorpresa. Sin ferguenza!

    #1.27 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:23 PM EDT

    John Jones,

    What Obummer has to do with this matter?

      #1.28 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:17 AM EDT

      So he went elephant hunting. Who cares? Elephants are hunted all the time and they do need to be controlled too! Too many people think with their feelings and refuse to understand nature and how it works. If man did not go hunt the animals, nature would take care of them for us and the whole animal would be wasted to nature.

      Elephants get old and die, they also starve when there are too many of them for the habitat to support, that is why we allow hunting. We hunt them because if we don't, they will die anyway. So, weepy critter lovers, would you rather an animal dies of starvation (the long and painful way), or get culled(the quick and relatively painless way), either way, they are going to die. It applies to all other animals in the world too.

        #1.29 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:52 AM EDT

        I would be embarrassed if my country still had kings and queens. What a ridiculous waste of money. The public funds their extravagant lifestyles and they do little to nothing in return (except spend money).

        • 1 vote
        #1.30 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:31 AM EDT

        @scopata messico The president has the most stressful job in the world, I don't blame him. And he does have a salary, he does get paid for being in office, he does work, and even pays taxes, that's HIS money now, he used HIS money for those trips. You'd want to take a break if you had to deal with little @!$%#s like you too. Using tax payer money is a CRIME he would have been IMPEACHED if he did that, he has a full republican congress looking for any possible way to get rid of him, they'd impeach him if they had a good reason to.

          #1.31 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:25 PM EDT
          Reply

          Why does this idiot find it necessary or enjoyable to hunt elephants? They're big, slow, and easy to hit. And they did nothing to him. Sick, twisted and demented is all I can call it.

          • 29 votes
          Reply#2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

          This guy isn't sorry. He's been hunting elephants since at least 2006. He is sory that he got caught and people are upset about it. I hope his hip hurts!

          • 16 votes
          #2.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

          Lest anyone forget that the spoiled Trump boys ALSO went "hunting" and killed some elephants and other rare wild animals. The picture of one of them holding the cut off tail of an elephant was enought to make me sick. As mymom said... this is no "hunt".. it is ego.. so they can stuff a foot for an ottoman or hang a picture on the wall.

          • 12 votes
          #2.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:12 AM EDT

          They broke his hip. If an elephant broke my hip, I would eat the whole thing. Probably need 3 freezers and one of those air-tight freeze wrapper things, but I would get it done.

            #2.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

            Wives fan, its hunting not "hunting". And those rare species are so rare they find them everywhere. Do you know what rare means?

            • 1 vote
            #2.4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:44 PM EDT

            falconer, obviously you don't get the use of ". It means not real, supposed, etc. There is no actual hunt for an elephant. Slow, large, easy to shoot. Might was well go to one of those caged "hunts" they have in Texas and other states. Rare was a misnomer, should have said endangered, stressed populations, etc. Look up three of the four things they list shot. They are either endangered or vulnerable. They brag about giving the meat to villagers as a saving grace. The water buck is generally nasty meat so what was the reason for
            THAT kill??? A head with spiral horns to hang on their wall at home. Gee.. how nice.

            As for the elephant breaking the guys hip... how do you know that?? The man is old, probably got startled when the gun went off and lost his balance.

              #2.5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:01 PM EDT

              There is no actual hunt for an elephant

              I love it when people who have never engaged in an activity feel knowledgeable enough to comment about it. You are incorrect concerning rare AND endangered as nothing that id LEGALLY hunted is endangered.

              They are either endangered or vulnerable

              Now YOU look up their status in Botswana. Just because their endangered in the Congo doesn't mean their endangered everywhere. Do you understand? Here:

              The waterbuck is classified as a low risk, conservation dependent species by the IUCN.

              The water buck is generally nasty meat

              When did you eat waterbuck? Oh yeah, nevermind.

              • 1 vote
              #2.6 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:16 PM EDT

              @wives fan

              falconer, obviously you don't get the use of ". It means not real, supposed, etc. There is no actual hunt for an elephant. Slow, large, easy to shoot.

              Elephants are one of the most dangerous animals in Africa. The idea that you just walk up to one and shoot it is ludicris.

              They brag about giving the meat to villagers as a saving grace. The water buck is generally nasty meat so what was the reason for THAT kill???

              And here you show just exactly how clueless you are. You don't think the villagers would eat it because it is in your opinion "nasty". "Bushmeat" is common fare in Africa, it is a generic term used to describe any meat from pretty much any wild creature. Apes, monkeys, and various large rodents are fairly common fare. So do you actually believe these locals would turn down meat from a waterbuck? Really?

                #2.7 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

                That is exactly why he does it -- and still broke a hip in the process. Do you really think this guy is going to run around the jungle with a knife in his teeth and chase down a lion? Sitting in a air-conditoned truck and using a high-powered rifle with a scope is mush more his speed. Wouldn't be surprised if the elepants were in an enclosed space to make it even easier. Mores the shame.

                  #2.8 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:25 PM EDT

                  Well, by all means if an animal is dangerous, let's just go out and shoot them all. Guess that means Lions, Rhino's, etc. I also guess you were on the trip to know exactly how much "hunting" these little rich boys actually did. Ever been on a caged hunt in Texas???? Oh, but then I'm sure you think because the animal is dangerous, that makes it a hard hunt as opposed to an easy shot. (not talking about you Painful Truth)

                    #2.9 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:50 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    I would like an elephant to go break his other hip and maybe whip him with it's trunk. What a total entitled bastard. The king, not the elephant.

                    • 18 votes
                    Reply#3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:46 AM EDT

                    SAVAGE. Wish the elephants had KILLED him.

                    • 12 votes
                    #3.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:55 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    He is a wicked man which is why he broke his hip...he needs to be hunted.

                    • 13 votes
                    Reply#4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:57 AM EDT

                    What a bastard.

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

                    It breaks my heart to see any animal killed for the fun of it, especially elephants who are very intelligent, gentle creatures. Entitlement is right. People like this care about nothing but their own pleasure. I'm sorry he broke his hip (the king) but hope it hurts like heck!!

                    • 15 votes
                    Reply#6 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

                    The people of the local village get the meat and the jobs which entail supporting the hunt. They don't have welfare programs in Africa to feed the hungry. I think they would be happy to see more hunting. Sometimes it is the only meat the villagers get in a year's time.

                    I would think that if people wanted the elephants to survive, more than the people whose vegatable farms the elephant's destroy are racists.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:14 AM EDT

                    @DelFairchild-1968594

                    The people of the local village get the meat and the jobs which entail supporting the hunt.

                    And because of this the locals now have an incentive to protect an animal that has traditionally been nothing more than a nuisance, destroying crops and breaking down fences. In many countries the elephant has been SAVED because the government allows and controls the legal hunting of them. Because they are now considered a valuable local resource they are vigilantly guarded against poachers by the local populations which has proven to be much more effective than underfunded government protection.

                    Bottom line, whether you like it or not, where legal elephant hunting is allowed they are making a comeback in a huge way. Where elephant hunting is strictly illegal the poachers are wiping them out.

                    • 12 votes
                    #6.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:09 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    It is his money, he can do what he wishes with it. How about our King allowing Billions of dollars to go to waste within all the bureaucracies in Washington, while going on golf outings, while people are losing their homes and are out of jobs? We were told it is his money and he needs his down time. So would the King of Spain.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#7 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

                    Groups all over the world are trying to protect elephants because they're over-hunted for their ivory and they're losing their habitat. You're clearly ill-informed about the situation.

                    • 8 votes
                    #7.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:05 AM EDT

                    What a retard. It is not his money. It's the money that spain stole from other countries and peoples like the Aztecs, Inca's, and treasure hunters that recovered it after the lazy incompetent spanish louts lost it. Spain has nothing it didn't steal from someone else. And as far as I know we do not have a king other than the one the crazy racist morons invented in their own little tiny small dicked minds.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

                    @Marie Haughey

                    Groups all over the world are trying to protect elephants because they're over-hunted for their ivory and they're losing their habitat. You're clearly ill-informed about the situation.

                    No Marie, it is YOU who are ill-informed. Elephants are being wiped out by poachers NOT hunters, there is a difference. In countries that allow legal elephant hunting the number of elephants is exploding for the reasons I mention above in #6.2 . Locals that once looked the other way when poachers would come now drive the poachers away to protect what went from being a nuisance to a source of revenue.

                    • 6 votes
                    #7.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

                    Backcountry, your arguing with people that do not understand wildlife management and really don't want to. They have a preconceived notion that fits their tiny world view. There is no way to make them understand the benefits of hunting, it's beyond them.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:12 PM EDT

                    The king is totally out of touch; hunting in this fashion is barbaric and deplorable; what's next, the return of the Spanish Inquisition and torture for fun?

                      #7.5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:51 PM EDT

                      For those who have said that the hunt is good for the local economy -- that may or not be true -- Bit than again, in our own country it was only alittle over 150 years ago now tha it was considered "good economic sense" to have slaves... (so keps down the labor costs, right?) -- bit things change, don't they!!!???

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.6 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

                      @The Painful Truth-2712888

                      For those who have said that the hunt is good for the local economy -- that may or not be true -- Bit than again, in our own country it was only alittle over 150 years ago now tha it was considered "good economic sense" to have slaves... (so keps down the labor costs, right?) -- bit things change, don't they!!!???

                      You've got to be friggin joking right? I don't recall slaves benefiting in any way from slavery. Elephants benefit greatly from hunting. Perhaps if you think a little harder you can come up with an even more preposterous analogy.

                      btw- Your screen name makes a ton of sense. Clearly you find the truth so painful that you go to great lengths to avoid it.

                        #7.7 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:41 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        the planets number one POACHER!

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#8 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:10 AM EDT

                        Legal hunting is not poaching and has the OPPOSITE effect on the survival of the species.

                        • 8 votes
                        #8.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

                        Plus it makes little wee endowed men feel bigger in certain nether regions...Use a knife, spear or bow if you want to hunt, if you have to use gunpowder you fail.

                        • 4 votes
                        #8.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:56 AM EDT

                        I hunt with a bow- glad you approve!

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                        I hunt with a bow also........and eat what I kill.

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

                        anybody that hunts elephants deserves to brake his hip. they are sorry excuses for humans. king(thats a joke) OR NOT, you are a worthless bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:36 PM EDT

                        I wonder if people who make comments like this:

                        Plus it makes little wee endowed men feel bigger in certain nether regions...Use a knife, spear or bow if you want to hunt, if you have to use gunpowder you fail.

                        Have ever been hunting or even been in the woods.

                        • 3 votes
                        #8.6 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:46 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        Maybe he needs the meat? There's alot on an elephant.

                          Reply#9 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

                          Thats the win-win of the situation. The wildlife authorities get money to aid in conservation (permit fee), the guide gets paid (economic growth/independance), the elephant is harvested (conservation) and the village gets the meat (BBQ).

                          • 3 votes
                          #9.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:48 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          This is 2012 and we still have royalty. Isn't it about time the world makes people earn their titles instead of being born into them?

                          • 6 votes
                          Reply#10 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

                          What a hideous subhuman. Why kill elephants?

                          • 10 votes
                          Reply#11 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

                          He's showing his ture colors-what a jerk.

                          • 7 votes
                          Reply#12 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:25 AM EDT
                          lovejoDeleted

                          According to Spanish media, King Juan Carlos stated "I have been very depressed since killing the elephant". It was further reported that the King would be attending a bull fight to lift his spirits.

                          • 8 votes
                          Reply#14 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:28 AM EDT

                          Mike252242,

                          Is that post about the king attending a bullfight true? If so, now I really can't stand the guy.

                          Regarding his apology, I think he's sorry he got caught. At his age, people don't make a decision to do something, and then suddenly have an attack of guilt and remorse. By the time a person is in his 70's, I would think he would have formed fairly clear views about whether hunting is acceptable for him, just in his own mind, as a person.

                          • 1 vote
                          #14.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:51 AM EDT

                          If we are lucky the bull will kill him.

                          • 1 vote
                          #14.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

                          Kathrine-2967321 - No, the story is not true, just my twisted sense of humor.

                          • 3 votes
                          #14.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:43 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          He's wrong to have done this. But in fairness, Juan Carlos reformed Spain, bringing it out of Franco's fascist regime in 1975 and embracing democracy. He's a king, but he gave up most of his power willingly. In the grand scheme of things, he has been a champion of democratic principles and dismantled the oppressive policies of a half century of Spanish dictatorship. Stupid to go on an elephant hunt? Sure. But let's not crucify the guy.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#15 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:29 AM EDT

                          Why not Russell? Hunting wild African animals in 2012? These creatures are losing habitat daily, starving people are "harvesting" their tusks for sale to china and japan. WTF??? We need an outmoded, geriatric spanish "king" going after them too? Get real.

                          • 6 votes
                          #15.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:58 AM EDT

                          @Meg-267733

                          Why not Russell? Hunting wild African animals in 2012? These creatures are losing habitat daily, starving people are "harvesting" their tusks for sale to china and japan. WTF??? We need an outmoded, geriatric spanish "king" going after them too? Get real.

                          Sigh, I'm feeling like a broken record now. How can people seem to care about something but then take no time or effort to find out some actual facts. Legal elephant hunting is SAVING elephants. In countries that legalized hunting them the elephant population is exploding, in countries where it is still illegal poachers are wiping them out.

                          • 8 votes
                          #15.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:21 AM EDT

                          Back Country - Are you sure about what you're posting? Is there really such an elephant population explosion that they need to be harvested? Can you direct me to a website about this?

                          • 2 votes
                          #15.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:42 AM EDT

                          Re: Green Hunting which I may add is not sport hunting.

                          Save The Elephants has been involved in developing a viable alternative to the sport hunting of elephants. Whilst sport hunting can contribute to the conservation budget, elephant hunting rapidly depletes the number of mature tusked bulls in an area. This significantly affects the dynamics of a population.

                            #15.4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

                            Summertime,

                            http://www1.american.edu/TED/elephbot.htm

                            Here is a portion:

                            Although elephants (Loxodonta africana) can be found in other parts of the country, their distribution is determined by availability of surface water. During the wet seasons, which are not frequent in the country, their distribution is much wider. However during the dry season they concentrate in the Chobe area. This area is situated in the northern part of the country and it is characterized by the Okavango delta - which is an area covering thousands of kilometers of waterways, pools, and islands of varying sizes. In addition to rivers and grassland the delta has big forests and towering trees. It is as a result of this habitat that 99 percent of the overall elephant population is found in this area. The population growth is also influenced by the fact that the Okavango delta falls in and around the Chobe National Parks, Nxai Pan National Park, as well as wildlife management areas. The northern elephant range consists of an area approximately 80 000 square km.
                            The method that is used for population estimates of elephants is the aerial surveys. According to statistics from the department of wildlife and national parks, as of 1996 the elephant population in the northern range was between 60 000 and 90 000. There is also concentration of close to 1000 in the Tuli block area which is characterized by the Limpopo River.

                            The management of wildlife in Botswana falls under the Department of Wildlife and National Parks through the Ministry of Commerce and Industry (DWNP-MCI). As mentioned before the increased population of elephants can partly be attributed to prudent policies on the part of this ministry. As of the early 1980s when the hunting of elephants was imposed, it was restricted to situations where they were in one way or the other in conflict with human population. This selective shooting has been minimal. Also the government has embarked on anti-poaching activities which include the establishment of anti-poaching units around the country. To try and control the population, the DWNP-MCI has attempted strategies, which had faced various setbacks. One of them has been the Conservation and Management of Elephants in Botswana in 1991 which attempted to maintain the elephant population at the levels of 1990 (which was around 50 000), this was however defeated by the high rate at which the population was increasing.

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                            #15.5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

                            Falconer - thanks, Summertime

                              #15.6 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

                              As a veterinarian - and someone with common sense - I do not condone hunting animals whose populations are endangered or threatened. I also have an issue with the killing of "higher" species that emotionally suffer so much when they lose one of their herd members. And no, legal hunting does not prevent poaching! And to the king of Spain: I almost regret the thousands of dollars I spent contributing to the Catalan economy while on vacation last summer!

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                              #15.7 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

                              Bad way to start when you post makes no sense. First, as a veterinarian, I would think your first desire would be the welfare of the species as a whole. Botswana for instance is suffering deforestation due to the high elephant population. In your opinion you shouldn't kill a few to save the whole?

                              As far as preventing poaching, yes it does. When you have an economic benefit from an activity you want to protect that activity. THe increase in funding from that activity allows increased anti-poaching measures.

                              And lastly, we have established the elephants in Botswana are not endangered. Obviously you skipped the environmental biology/ecology classes in pre-vet.

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                              #15.8 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

                              @Summertime-549913

                              Back Country - Are you sure about what you're posting? Is there really such an elephant population explosion that they need to be harvested? Can you direct me to a website about this?

                              Technically it is not a matter of their population growing to the point that they need to be hunted. It is the hunting that has allowed their population to swell. When people have ownership rights over something, even on a limited scale, they have an incentive to protect it. By allowing locals to benefit from limited hunting those locals have a vested interest in making sure poachers do not steal their source of revenue.

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                              #15.9 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

                              @Joan from Phila.

                              ...and someone with common sense...

                              If people only had a clue how often their intuition leads them astray we'd be in a much better place, especially in this country where "heart" often trumps "head".

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                              #15.10 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                              Yes, Russell you are correct about the reforms that the King brought to his country after the death of Franco -- but that has nothing to do with killing an elephant. For those who say that the hunt is really the only way to "preserve them" -- Really? There were elephants before their were folks with rifles to kill them -- nature takes care of itself -- the "circe of life' and all that. It is man that has done things, especially in the last couple of centuries that has had a major negative impact on the earth and the animals. Even President Teddy Roosevelt, a big game hunter himself -- and no wussy boy -- came to realize in the early 1900's that conservation was neccessary to avoid offing all the animals and use up all the natural resources --and if it was true over 100 years ago - it must be even more true today. teddy Roosvelt was right --he was a true "progressive" a real American, a man's man with a brain to match. He was a reader, a writer and soldier and a "peace maker" -- We could use a man like Teddy Roosevelt again --

                                #15.11 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:52 PM EDT
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                                Elephant-hunting is against the law. ENDANGERED SPICES. King Juan Carlos NEEDS TO RUN WITH THE BULLS.

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                                Reply#16 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:30 AM EDT

                                No it is not. Legal elephant hunting may be the only thing that saves them.

                                #6.2, #7.3

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                                #16.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:23 AM EDT
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                                Save the Elephants. Hunt murderers instead.

                                Tape a few tusks and a trunk to Anders Breivik face and tell him to run.

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                                Reply#17 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

                                Good example of how out of touch with reality politicians all over the world are.

                                I don't mind him spending his own money on a vacation but I have a hard time believing he doesn't know the plight of the elephants and has contributed to their slaughter.

                                In my opinion, killing elephants should be a crime, if it's not already.

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                                Reply#18 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:38 AM EDT

                                @fishydigit

                                In my opinion, killing elephants should be a crime, if it's not already.

                                It is people who share your opinion who are the biggest threat to elephants and the, albeit unintended, cause of their plight.

                                #6.2, #7.3

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                                #18.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:25 AM EDT
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                                Just make sure the POS eats the entire elephant.

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                                Reply#19 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                                Didn't "The Donalds" sons due the same thing?

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                                #19.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:04 AM EDT
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                                Why do little boys have to prove their manhood by outwitting an animal? Or just walking right up to one and blasting it away to impress their butt buddies about how hard core they are. Sticking meat in the freezer as an excuse for hunting is just BS. Most of you fat louts would never haul a carcass more than 100 yards to the nearest road. Why not just shoot a cow instead

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                                Reply#20 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:41 AM EDT

                                So I guess environmental biology, ecology and wildlife biology aren't your strong points.

                                Sticking meat in the freezer as an excuse for hunting is just BS.

                                My suggestion is read a scientific journal on wildlife biology or watch a show on wildlife population. Heres a FACT for you:

                                100 second year whitetail deer will have on average 190 fawns. This is 25% have 1 fawn, 60% haveing 2 and 15% having 3. Now, what does that mean?

                                Meat in the freezer is a bonus!

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                                #20.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:57 PM EDT
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                                douchebag...pure and simple.

                                • 6 votes
                                Reply#21 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:43 AM EDT

                                AMEN!

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                                #21.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:59 AM EDT
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                                What sport is there to hunting an elephant? It's as big as a house, so you drive up to it in a truck and shoot it with a rifle big enough to knock down a house. Once it's down, you get your picture taken next to it to 'prove how great a hunter you are' (but not as great as the natives who used to take them down with a spear) then head back to camp for a nap, some tea and a freshly laundered safari shirt. The meat? What does the king of Spain care about elephant meat? He can have steak and caviar flown in. Must be nice...

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#22 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                If authorities can prove this, he should be treated as any other poacher and arrested and prosecuted. This is bull@!$%#.

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                                Reply#23 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                I agree. he needs to be held accountable .

                                  #23.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:34 PM EDT
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                                  To an extent, I agree with Russell re: all the good that Juan Carlos has done for Spain over the years. But I thought that hunting endangered species had been made illegal many years ago. Perhaps for the rank and file of humanity, but I suppose the entitled can do whatever they choose. I hereby shower DelFairchild (poster on this forum) with scorn, contempt and rancor for being the one who feels the need to Blame Everything On Pres Obama no matter what the topic is. Perhaps Del could take a few classes or otherwise broaden his/her horizons and learn how to concentrate on the subject we are all discussing. Sheer idiocy, and the product of a complete inability to think for oneself.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#24 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:50 AM EDT

                                  Rob,

                                  He had a permit.

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                                  #24.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

                                  @ backcountry164: Glad to see YOU have all the answers. Guess we can all sleep well now! So... please tell us --what was that cure for cancer, again???

                                    #24.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:03 PM EDT
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                                    lovejoDeleted

                                    Too bad he didn't get killed. What kind of heartless person do you have to be to hunt an elephant? They are such beautiful creatures.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    Reply#26 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:56 AM EDT

                                    Human life over an animals.... wow

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                                    #26.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

                                    People that value animal life as an equivalent to human life are quite simply the most pathetic people to walk on this planet.

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                                    #26.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:55 AM EDT

                                    It used to be MUCH better to be the King - just ask Mel Brooks.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #26.3 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:15 PM EDT

                                    That's right - human life over animals. When you have people who are ignorant and go around murdering other people and abusing and killing children and animals, they should not be on this Earth. And Had_Enough_Yet you don't know me so you need to keep your pathetic comments to yourself. Seems to me like you are a pathetic person who cares about nobody but yourself.

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                                    #26.4 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:19 PM EDT

                                    You go, Tammy.

                                      #26.5 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

                                      Get over yourself, Tammy! "... murdering other people and abusing and killing children and animals." That's exactly what the @!$%# I'm talking about. I love how you threw "and animals" in there like a person that kills an animal is just as bad as a person that kills a child. You are @!$%#ing DELUSIONAL and SICK!

                                      You are exactly the pathetic filth I was referring to when I made my original comment.

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                                      #26.6 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

                                      These 'beautiful animals' are not slow or 'nice' either. They will charge and kill you if they get a mind to do so. Too many people think these wild creatures are cuddly little teddy bears, but they aren't. I'd like to see one of the crybaby animal lovers go try and live their lives amidst these creatures and find out that they really aren't so nice, nor is nature for that matter either.

                                        #26.7 - Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:03 PM EDT
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                                        Poor leadership qualities. Lucky he was born to royalty or he would be part of the unemployed masses. Que lastima.

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                                        Reply#27 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:57 AM EDT
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