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Russian missile cruiser Varyag is shown in this 2009 photo docked at Qingdao port, China's Shandong Province.
The Russian guided-missile cruiser Varyag arrived at an east Chinese naval base Saturday ahead of a planned joint exercise with the Chinese navy, news agency Xinhua reported.
The large-scale war game, the navies’ first bilateral drill, is scheduled Sunday through Friday off the resort city of Qingdao in the Yellow Sea, Xinhua said.
Russia also sent from Vladivostok three Udaloy class destroyers and three support ships, said Russian news agency Ria Novosti.
China will use 16 ships, including destroyers, frigates and two submarines, in the drill called Maritime Cooperation-2012, Ria Novosti said.
A Chinese aircraft carrier may also participate, the International Business Times said.
“The exercises will involve several simulated missions, including the rescue of a hijacked ship, the escort of a commercial vessel, and the defense a convoy from air and sea attacks,” a Russian military spokesman told the news agency.
The exercise will promote strategic coordination and mutual trust between the two militaries, said Chen Bingde, Chief of the General Staff of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). Chen also said the drill would strengthen the naval forces' ability to jointly confront new regional threats and maintain peace and stability in the region and world.
Since 2005, China and Russia have conducted several joint military exercises within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which also includes the Central Asian countries of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
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Filipino protesters demanding that China pull out of the contested Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea demonstrate Friday outside the Chinese Embassy in Makati City in Manila, Philippines.
The new drill comes after President Barack Obama last November signaled a "return to Asia" following a decade of conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
On Monday, the U.S. and Philippine military launched joint exercises involving in the South China Sea between the Philippines and China. The exercise includes 4,500 U.S. troops and 2,300 Filipino troops in a two-week event called "balikatan," or shoulder-to-shoulder, the Voice of America reported.
The Philippines, China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei all have competing claims in the South China Sea, Voice of America said.
China and the Philippines are in a standoff over fishing rights in the area. China's most advanced fishing patrol vessel, the Yuzheng 310, arrived Friday in waters off the coast of Scarborough Shoal, China and VOA said.
Xinhua reported the vessel will conduct routine patrols in the area to “protect China's sea rights and ensure the safety of Chinese fishermen.” The Philippines tried to arrest Chinese fisherman in the shoal, but Chinese surveillance ships intervened.
Late Friday, China said authorities released 21 Vietnamese fishermen whom they had detained for more than a month on a disputed island in the South China Sea.
Chinese security forces intercepted the fishermen’s two boats in early March near the Paracel islands, known in China as the Xisha Islands.
The Paracels are occupied by China but also claimed by Vietnam.
This article includes reporting by The Associated Press.
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The world needs to continue fighting US colonialism! americans won't stop until they hoard all the oil and natural resources around the world, and rule over each and every country.
Yes, the U.S. currently hoards all the oil and rare earth minerals and all the other resources. Plus we currently control every government on earth. Also we control the moon.
This must stop.
I thought Mars was ours now, too.
Everything we see is ours.
:D
There are International Laws that dictate the limits of a countries claims to resources...
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - Part VI
Article 76 of UNCLOS specifies a mechanism for extending the limits of the continental shelf beyond the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ). After ratification of UNCLOS a country has ten years to collect the appropriate information and submit a claim for an extended continental shelf to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS).
I seriously wish we would pull out from the Middle East and just invade canada instead. Plenty of oil and fanatical America bashers like "new in cyberspace" to justify it.
What colonies? Am I missing new territorial gains that the US government set up? What new countries are flying the american flag and is administered by the US government? I would like you to provide some proof.
AC Robertson is partially right but is also concealing some important truth-- his habitual voluntary memory lost at the most convenient time.
As oil has been discovered in the Artic Circle, several nations including the USA have claimed their continental shelves extend far into the reaches of the Circle. These self-serving claims, based mostly on a definition of continental shelves, are exposing the ambiguity and flaws of the current formula in allocating resources and establishing the limits of underwater interest.
More than ten years after oil was first discovered in the Artic Circle, several nations are still engaged in contentious debate as to how far continental shelves extend into the Artic; what definition shall be used; and by what formula shall be used to determine the limits of underwater rights. As patience grows thin, some nations such as Russia and USA have sent warships to the Artic as a modern day claim-jumper. The Russians even planted an underwater flag near the North Pole to demonstrate their resolve and negotiation skills.
Of course, AC Robertson makes it so simple. He yells out UN this and UN that. Did it ever occurs to him that the UN is a convenient tool of the USA?
Got news for ya....This is not just about the US.. This is about every single nation on the planet scrambling for whats left. In case you haven't heard there a food shortage, water shortage, oil shortage, etc...The only thing this planet is not short of is people scurrying about sucking up the last of its reserves....
You need a history lesson. The Russians under the former Soviet Union and the Communist Chinese combined are resposnbile for 100 million plus deaths. The new (old) Russia has designs on the Artic and they are on your northern border. The Chinese are investing 10+ percent of their GDP annually on military expansion. They want to become the next world power and they will do so through military power. The U.S. stopped the Germans in WWII and the Russians during the Cold War. We went into Iraq not for oil put to put down a despot that HAD USED WMDs on his own people and that was threathening every country in the Middle East.
Speak with a Russian citizen today and ask them what they think of their government. Speak to a Chinese citizen today and ask them what they think of their government. Check out what's happening in Iraq now that the U.S. has pulled troops out. History repeats itself and, based on what's happening around the globe, we're headed for WWIII. You better pick your sides carefully.
Speak with an American citizen today and ask them what they think of their government.
It will change come November. However...as bad as everyone seems to claim about our govt, it "might" be bad...but try replacing it with something else...it will be a lot worse.
Easy HarryMexican.....Do not let on loud mouth Candian A-hole pigeon hole the rest. Wimpiest county ever, not an effen chance. As much as the military funding dropped out like an acid freak in high school, doesn't make them weak, they just don't have many cool toys. Check your history.
Yeah, thats what we want.....
The joint Russia-China naval exercise in Yellow Sea is clearly a direct response to and counterthe recent spade of joint US-S Korea and US-Japan naval exercises in the same region
The intent is to send a message to US that US is not to intimidate others with her naval power.
Yes, stop letting the Philippines intimidate China. We need to stop being friends with them. I agree, very profound.
Pakistan and China have been conducting Military Exercises for YEARS...
China has built 'Deep Water' ports in Pakistan & Venezuela so they will have access for their 'Blue Water' Navy...
China has been sharing anti-ship missile technology with Iran for years...
If you want a 'Real Hoot' research the Clinton - China connections and Nuclear & Missile technology... There are over 2.3+MILLION hits, happy reading... start with this - http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/25/opinion/essay-the-china-connection.html
China has been INCREASING their military budgets by double digits for almost THREE-DECADES. While the USA and other western countries are DECREASING their military size and capabilities...
The DF-21d has already sunk a US Aircraft Carrier, because the DOD has cancelled building another Ford Class carrier, due to the preceived threat... see http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-07-14/news/dp-nws-carrier-sub-cuts-20110714_1_gerald-r-ford-class-aircraft-carriers-carrier-fleet
Who needs to intimidate? A single SSN-774 can put every one of those ships at the bottom of the ocean in about 12 hours.
AC Robertson... TRUTH... Also, what did you think of the connection that paid for Clinton's campaign... I watched it happen.. NEO CONS SUCK... Nice to see some are attentive to liberty.
Now I wonder who will lead us on top of everything else if we end up in war after this breaking story.
.http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150813560905801_22858408_10150815481950801#f2d58f4d41ea61
AC Robertson is either a shill for the Military Industrial Complex or a weapon profiteer, or both.
His persistent theme is that China is a big military power with plans to challenge USA. His favorite Chinese weapon is the FD-21d anti-missile which he claims is so potent that it has already sunk a US carrier before a naval architect inks a single drawing. His latest incantation is deep water harbors in Pakistan and Venezuela for China's blue ocean navy. As his previous claim that China is building 3 modern aircraft carriers has been hollow, AC now resorts to specious use of percentage to describe military spending in order to deceive naive readers.
The FD-21d is an obsolete missile, highly susceptible to US Navy's Aegis and Phalanx defense system. Congress refuse to fund another super nuke carrier when the US budget has exceeded its deficit ceiling. China does not have a blue ocean navy whereas the US Navy has the world's largest number of nuke carriers, missile cruisers, missile Frigates, destroyers, and nuclear ballistic and attack submarines fleets. China has not had a blue ocean navy in nearly 800 years- the last vessel paid a visit to the Horn of Africa then return home never to be seen again. Two of China's so called modern aircraft carriers under construction are fixer-uppers bought from Russian and Australian naval junk-yards. The third, also bought from Russian junk-yard, is under renovation as a future four star hotel similar to the Queen Mary docked at Long Beach, California. Instead of manipulating percentages, AC should state actual numbers when talking about military expenditures of these two countries.
Contrary to AC propaganda, China is not America's enemy. In fact, China is the biggest holder of US Treasury, at $1.3trillion Dollars, shoring-up the US economy during its most difficult time since the Great Depression. While USA is waging 4 wars around the world, China is at peace. China never waged war in Iraq using bogus WMD assertion. China never waged war in Afghanistan on the pretext that the Taliban is hosting Osama bin Laden. China never dropped bombs or launch commando raids in Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan or Iraq. And China doesn't have military bases world wide whereas USA does.
AC knows this and more. But he has his own self-serving agenda to promote, even if at the expense of naive readers.
Readers should know that AC has been 'busted' many times in the past.
Chris from Yucaipa, It is true that America’s nuclear sub fleet is unmatched in the world today. However, other nations have the ability to continue to develop their own weapon systems too. Russia has some ability to hunt and destroy nuclear submarines. China’s strategy is cost effective. China’s Dongfeng 21D anti-ship ballistic missile program is cost effective. Going to war against the joint forces of Russia and China will not be a walk in the park. We disarmed Iraq before we attacked them with “Shock and Awe.” China and Russia have not been disarmed.
ac robertson attempts to instill fear among the readers of the growing "menace" of China's military development and cited China has a double digit annual increase. Yet China only spent a mere 1.4% of her gdp on defense as contrasts to the 4% of US. (in real money terms, China $110 billion vs US $700 billion) .
The volume speaks itself. China has waged no war of aggresssion on false pretence and established no military bases outside her own territory. China seeks no hegemony and does not dictate what others should and should not do; but foremost china does not interfere in other nations' internal affair.
AC Robertson,
You wouldn't happen to have a reputable source for this claim that the Chinese has sunk a U.S. Carrier with this DF-21d, would you? Don't mind me, just trying to do a little research here...
Um...Tibet? Taiwan? Both are Internationally recognized sovereign nations. One is being swamped with immigrants in an attempt blend it in with the rest of China, the other is threatened constantly with violent reunification with the mainland.
Uhhhh .... yeahhh ....
A Chinese-Russian naval drill will intimidate the U.S. Navy about as much as a Chinese fire drill will intimidate the NYFD.
Chris from Yucaipa, so what about Tibet? Tibet has been part of China since the 14th century. It's evil CIA who supplied money and weapons to the Dollar Lama to create all these conflicts in Tibet.
Taiwan and China both claim each other's sovereignty. It's none of any outsider's business. Vietnam is now terrorizing Taiwan in South China Sea. Both Taiwan and China are now discussing joining their forces to defend China against outsider. So where is the "threat" of China to Taiwan?
Get yourself some education before spewing!
Dude, guys, this is just what countries do. They hold war games to show off. This isn't exactly new or profound...
Get some education? Are you seriously going to post some retarded version of Tibetan history and claim it as the truth? Tibet was its own empire over 2,000 years ago. It had complete control over it's territory up until the early 1900's after which China began pushing in and eventually seizing control in 1951.
As for Vietnam 'terrorizing' Taiwan, that's about the most retarded comment I've seen this week. China has claimed huge and unrealistic portions of the South China Sea as theirs. In some cases laying claim to everything up to where the water meets the sand in some places. The one major engagement over this in 1988 resulted in 2 sunk Vietnamese frigates and 70 dead sailors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish
You are the retard! The Vietnamese just fired shots at Taiwan outpost 3 days ago. Go read some news instead of american propagandas.
As for Tibet, it was NEVER any nation anytime in human history. At best, they were tribes slaves to the lamas over the years. The Qing Dynasty had been ruling over Tibet since the 14th century. Stop posting lies!
Every defense contractor in the US overcharges the DOD at every opportunity susequently it cost substantially more for military hardware in the US than any other country. The result is China can built up its military at a much lower cost and more of it than the US can for the same amount of money. Money that we give them. Besides China doesn't have to deal with Unions, Pension Plans, Medical Plans, work rules, contractor profit etc.
Expect China to take back Taiwan within 10yrs and we won't be able to do anything about it.
I would reply, but after taking a quick look thru your posting history, it would be like arguing with some retarded kid over what color is red. 99% of your posts for the last 2 years consists of you bowing and performing internet oral on anything mentioning China.
Have fun with that.
Why do americans feel it's ok for usa to have war games in Asia, but not ok for China and Russia to do the same at their own door step?
@chris from yucaipa
UN recognizes Tibet is apart of China. To suggest Tibet is recognized internally as a sovereign state is out of someone's delusion and fantasy.
I stand corrected.
The UN is still recognizing Tibet as a OCCUPIED Nation...
International law states that recognition of a nation can occur by explicit or implicit acts including treaties, negotiations, and diplomatic relations. Mongolia and Tibet signed a formal treaty of recognition in 1913. Historically, Nepal and Tibet had peace treaties. Tibetºs independence was also confirmed at the Treaty of Simla (1914) which was concluded by Tibet and British India. In 1949, Tibet maintained diplomatic, economic, and cultural relations with such countries as Nepal, Sikkim, Mongolia, China, British India, and to some extent, Russia and Japan. Further, Nepal maintained an Ambassador in Lhasa and told the U.N. in 1949 that it conducted international relations with Tibet. In fact, Britian, Bhutan, India, and even China also maintained diplomatic missions in Tibet's capitol, Lhasa. The Tibetan Foreign Office conducted talks with President Franklin D. Roosevelt when he sent representatives to Lhasa to discuss the allied war effort against Japan during World War II.
In 1950, El Salvador formally requested that China's aggression against Tibet be placed on the agenda of the U.N. General Assembly. The issue was not discussed. However, during four U.N. General Assembly debates on Tibet (1959, 1960, 1961, & 1965), many countries (e.g., Philippines, Nicaragua, Thailand. United States, Ireland) openly stated that Tibet was an independent country illegally occupied by China. In fact, the U.N. passed three resolutions (1959, 1961, & 1965) concerning Tibet stating that Tibetans were deprived of their inalienable rights to self-determination.
Even Mao Zedong during the Long March admitted that Tibet was an independent country when he passed through the border regions of Tibet remarking, "This is our only foreign debt, and some day we must pay the Mantzu (sic) and the Tibetans for the provisions we were obliged to take from them."
Prior to Mao, China had signed severial treaties with Tibet. In the Tibetan capital of Lhasa, a stone obelisk erected in AD 823 features a treaty between China and Tibet. It is still there, for ALL to see and read...
Baldman,
"The DF-21D Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM) is in play again in the press and implicitly linked in comments by the Vice Chairman of the Joint Staff that cancellation of at least one of the Ford-class carriers and retirement of some number of others is being considered by DoD ( would note, however, that to draw a straight line between the two is a little simplistic). Surfacing this discussion was the publication of an article in the Taipei Times (14 July edition) last week that led to a good bit of churn on this side of the Pacific..."
I'm assuming that the USNI & coments by a Vice Chairman are a good reference - http://blog.usni.org/2011/07/18/re-enter-the-df-21d-asbm/
Chris from Yucaipa I think you should stop posting idiocies and go back to Yucaipa.
First off, in full scale warfare, Super Carriers are nothing but BFT's (Big FF'ing Targets) Since about 1960 that's all they have ever been. All a carrier is good for today is conventional power projection in a limited war scenario.
They fulfill the old power projection role of the battleship like in the '20's and '30's, the first thing tacticly decided in naval warfare in WWII was that the battleship was nothing but a BFT. They didn't survive practicaly past the '50's
The Aircraft Carrier will not survive past the next world war.
This being said, the carrier will fare fairly well against anti-ship missiles, The Gatling gun phalanx is being retired in the navy and is listed as a secondary standard, a much improved weapon is replacing it in the same mount, 2.5MW lasers, even more accurate, at much greater range, almost instant retraining and no ammunition overhead or limitation. (never runs out) the Aircraft Carrier is virtually immune to enemy aircraft or sea skimming missiles.
This also being said, they are toasty little bits for 60kt nuclear tipped homing torpedoes. (standard soviet naval torpedo) And yes, each and every US navy carrier battle group is still tailed by a russian nuclear attack submarine.
Boy you guys sure don't keep up on military strategic or tactical developments do you?
Raytheon married-up 6 - 32 kilowatt solid state lasers to the Navy’s Phalanx close-in defense system and used it to shoot down four aerial drones off the West coast.
Raytheon is currently testing the system and expects that the system won't hit the front lines until 2016.
Read more: http://defensetech.org/2010/07/19/farnborough-raytheons-navalized-laser-fries-aerial-drone/#ixzz1tWLIHf2l
Defense.org
They have demonstrated they can shoot down something going about 100+MPH on a clear day, with ZERO thermal protection. Mounting a low-power laser on a 1970's launch/target system, proves NOTHING...
After 50+years or R&D, there are still ZERO deployed laser weapons systems. With many operational limitations; charge times, ship movement & trageting a hyper-sonic missile threats, energy requirements, and clouds/haze/water-vapor laden environment that disperse the coherent light/energy, are just a few of the REAL LIFE problems...
The DF-21d is operational, curently being mass produced, and has been deployed for over two+years. The western Navies have less than 25+operational aircraft carriers. The odds are against the carriers and any other large ship within range, off the Chinese Coast..
The DF-21 exploits the phalanx or CWIS weaknesses:
1. They have limited rounds about 1500 per load = about 30 seconds of fire time...
2. Tracking problems when exposed to high angles of attack...
3. Limited ability to target multiple high-speed threats...
4. The carriers can not hide that large flat deck from space based tracking systems...
5. The current thinking is 5 simultaneous launched DF-21d's will GUARANTEE a fatal strike...
The U.S. govt. is going to sink any freakin day but they already had hegemony over many of those places anyway. As far as I'm concerned there is no Russia or China but only the U.S. that still stands in the way of true peace and harmony. This is a shame when this statement is coming from a U.S. citizen but its true. American citizens are under the worst form of imperialism that never gets mentioned at all!
Can you substantiate any of your statements or are you just trying to sound like you know what you are talking about?
The sky is falling the sky is falling!! At least thats what Rush, Hannity and Beck are telling me..
Using words like 'hegemony' doesn't make your comment any less idiotic.
War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese
Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed
forces must control the initiative in this war."
For a up-date on China's Military 'THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA'.. see - http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/
China's missile defense is based on the DF-21d, which has the capability to pushing the US Navy out of the China Sea and almost to Australia...
"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War... see http://weapons.technology.youngester.com/2010/08/df-21d-chinese-aircraft-carrier-killing.html
The next World War will be fought over 'Natural Resources' and China and Russia will be key players...
ASEAN is already consolidating to fight the China claims on the resources of the South China Sea & Mekong River. It is not just the Philippines, it is; Cambodia, Japan, India, Indonesia, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, etc, who are disputing land areas/resources, that China also claims...
Remember when Russia planted their flag on the Arctic Ocean @ the North Pole. They claimed ALL of the oil/NG and resources in the Arctic, which may contain a quarter of the world's untapped petroleum reserves. Basing this claim on their Continental Shelf that extends down the Lomonosov Ridge to between Greenland & Iceland... see http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/arctic.htm
China in no way could hit the U.S. before we could hit back.
But who would be commander in cheif?
http://www.therightperspective.org/2012/04/15/obama-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
Yet another case of changing the facts to fit an agenda. I would highly suggest you actually go verify your information before just parroting yet another birther claim.
Did you ever call the birth certificate fake? No.
RC yeah China has a huge population to support and even with the one child policy the people are still trying to have more than one child. The truth of the matter is that even one child is too many given their resources. America has fewer people but uses a tremendous amount of power and with the world Mexico etc using America as a place to run to when their own country has exceeded its carrying capacity it won't be long before we also will be in the same boat. The worlds leaders know this and quite frankly I think they will either use biological warfare or some other form of war to reduce population. Yet far too many people continue to live with rose colored glasses and see having as many children as they want as acceptable. It goes beyond selfish or ignorant it is self destructive.
"A Chinese aircraft carrier?"........THE only Chinese aircraft carrier is an ex-Russian rust bucket painted with Chinese cheap lead paint!
Where's Waldo,
The Chinese have built a full size carrier deck w/island for pilot training and started building the needed aircraft, years ago...
"If we consider our neighbors - India will have three aircraft carriers by 2014 and Japan will have three carriers by 2014," Gen. Luo Yuan, a senior researcher with the Academy of Military Sciences, was quoted as saying by Beijing News.
"So I think the number [for China] should not be less than three so we can defend our rights and our maritime interests effectively.".. see http://www.defensenews.com/article/20110730/DEFSECT03/107300302/Chinese-General-Country-Needs-3-Carriers
It is reported that Chinese navy plans to “Varyag” was as a teaching aircraft carrier to aircraft carrier battle familiar with the tactics used to master the technology to build aircraft carriers. Available information shows that the further development of the Chinese navy is a key part of building aircraft carrier fleet. Within the framework of this plan, China Shipbuilding Corporation by the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai’s Changxing Island to build the first fleet aircraft carriers, there have been completed all necessary infrastructure...
For a size comparison with other world aircraft carriers see -
http://wareye.com/china-will-build-four-aircraft-carrier-battle-groups-in-two-stages
Currently - Two aircraft carriers are being built at the Jiangnan shipyard in Shanghai," one source with ties to China's Communist Party leadership told Reuters, requesting anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the program... see http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/27/us-china-carrier-idUSTRE76Q1X120110727
By 2015 there should be two domestic 48,000-64,000 ton Medium-sized conventionally powered aircraft carriers(type 089 aircraft carrier) in the water...
Between 2015 and 2020, China will build two 93,000 ton nuclear-powered aircraft carriers( type 085 aircraft carrier )... see http://wareye.com/china-will-build-2-type-089-aircraft-carriers-and-2-type-085-nuclear-aircraft-carriers
Why isn't America attempting to block those war games?
Maybe those two can fight Back?
Where is the big bad White man?
Maybe he only yell when it involves peoples of color?
Uh, Russia...
You mean that the chinese are not of color? Aren't they the little YELLOW man? Hmmm... I guess you count them as white. I know for a fact they would hate you for calling them white. Or maybe, just maybe, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yeah that makes more sense bro.
A few years ago the US Navy held exercises in this area...
During a ACTIVE exercise, the Chinese surfaced a missile sub within spitting distance of the US Carrier. It was UNDETECTED until it surfaced... see http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/report_chinese_sub_surfaces_in.html
Big government makes sense.. sell our debt to the commies.. the intrest payment we make pays for the largest standing nuke army in the world..... Tax the small % who don't work for government to make the payments.. Finance the other trillion shortfall.. I can see why you would want a bigger government and socialist programs we can not afford... finance it for now or steal the peoples SS TRUST fund and add some more IOU's..... buy an enemys army... thats how we get the economy going and secure our future and well being..
Whos going to be commander in chief should crap hit the fan?
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150813560905801_22858408_10150815481950801#f2d58f4d41ea61
Hehe, a Ron Paul Birther. That's all three shades of un-informed.
So, they claimed the North Pole, huh?
Okay, that's ok, we can drill a hole from Alaska to suck out the oil before they can...
Russia claimed the Arctic Sea, 2001...
The US environmentalist have BLOCKED the USA from additional drilling in the Arctic/Alaska and Obama has BLOCKED the USA from receiving any 'Tar Sand' oil from Canada...
I'm not sure whom are the LARGEST threats to the US Energy security...
AC Robertson - The U.S. gets a great deal of "tarsand oil", and Alaskan oil. It is not allowed to drill in new area at this time in Alaska, and is still condidering pipelines for increasing Canadian oil influx.
I'm telling you, they will be coming to get us and Obama is weakening us enough to let them get their foot in the door. Worse yet, we are raising so many cowards that their job will not be as difficult as it was when most regular Americans were willing to fight for what was theirs. Now the libs will simply turn it over to them to avoid a conflict or hurting their feelings.
It'll be really sad if we spend hundreds of billions of our military only to be outclassed by China and Russia. Those two are WAY behind us on their own military spending.
I cant wait until countries come together for Peace Games!
Ru
Don't hold your breath. Man has been at war with each other since before the discovery of fire.
It will not end any time soon.
Dang.
Hmmm I think they do already have peace games. It is called the Olympics. On the other military joint excercises have been around for a while. And if you have been paying attention India just test fired a long range rocket so for China and Russia to have excercises is very reasonable. You all would make the same decision if you were in command there. I would. On the same point we have them all over the world and remember China and Russia share a common border. I do not know what you all are making a big deal over.
Nvm
Not sure why China wouldn't want to have coorperative exercises with Russia. They're allies from way back and share a chunk of Asia. Makes sense really. The maps are being redrawn, alliances are being reassessed. Nothing is forever - Alfa Dogs can't be alfa dogs forever.
We'll see China emerge before too long as the dominant economy and dominant warriors going forward. Most of the west is broke. Global enterprise could care less about that. Cheap labor and new markets to exploit trumps any national loyalties. Get used to that idea folks. We made this.
No, the UN will emerge as the one world power. Lots of war to get there, but they will be the new world economy, energy resource, food chain distribution, health managment, and military. I don't know if China and Russia will oblige and surrender to it, or fight it.
Both Democrats and Republicans, have been working on this transition to globalization and the New World Order. Or even after all of that effort, America could get wiped out.
God only knows.
No Masked opinionator, we didn't make this, our corporate world made this with the blessing of our corporate wiener su cking congress.
those two....
War games?!
Wow, why is everyone strutting their "stuff." India just successfully launched a long range missle. WW3 approaching?!
It has been under way for more than a decade already. Haven't you noticed?
American aggression will eventually be stopped because we just dont have the numbers. If the Chinese and Russians wanted to throw bodies at the US we would never be able to stop them, especially if you include the Indians and Muslims. There simply to many. Its time to utilize the 2 big blue oceans that divide us. Bring all the troops home, end free trade, establish stronger ties with South America and prepare for a better future for our kids.
Wow Paul...you have it all figuerd out! That's amazing would you be our president?? [that is if you have your high school diploma and are an american citizen]
Joe Biden wants to know if WWll came before WWl. What a bright bulb we have in Joe!
Bob ....yes I have a diploma, a US citizen. And they only way I would be president is if I would be allowed to push all the rightwingers into a corner and quarantine them from the rest of the civilized world, which most of the civilized world would support. Otherwise failure is inevitable. That are just push them into the sea. God knows they never fight.
Bo -- you are so clueless you actually do not have anything real to say so you have to make things up just to see if they stick on anyone as dumb as you! LOL
Its a double standard. The Japanese has occupied the Diaoyu Island from the Chinese, but you don't see Americans coming in here trying to "police" Asia. Lets face it US just hates on the Chinese and then we complain why were not friends. These are cold war tactics.
Gar...
when you think of it, no one really likes his or her banker anyway.
Youve forgot to mention, you did not see "Americans going in there to police Asia" when you invaded Tibet.
Yeah, double standards indeed!
New in Cyberspace- I got bad news for you buddy. We OWNED your beloved Tim Horton and ALL your best NHL players already...and it's a matter of time before we own RIM and Blackberry. Resistance is futile!! On another note..the US needs to revisit and re-establish our relationship with Vietnam. They are the only country in SE Asia with the will, fortitude, and might to take on China. Afer all they are all of chinese descent and they defeated China in 1979 when China sent 100K troops for Vietnam invading Cambodia. China lost 20% of it's regular army force in a month while fighting para-military and Vietnamese militias because all Vietnam's experience fighters were busy in Cambodia. China might have the sheer numbers but they have lost every battles they fought against their neighbors in the last few centuries!
Sucks we're gonna get our asses kicked. Better get Rosetta Stone and start learning Chinese.
I see a planned interrogant
Russia and China conduct military exercises. We are the idiots at war for 11 years because we have a patent on morality and want to be the policeman of the world. The international cop is going straight to bankruptcy. Russia and Chinia are our creditors. They will be running the world, Americans are suicidal.
America continues unabated starting wars and destabilizing the world. The world will be more stable if China and Russia make a full military alliance. I hope that other nations will join an alliance with Russia and China to help keep world peace.
Now the US better pay attention to this drill coming up with China and the Russians. They are preparing a possible attack on the US. Do to the last secret talks with Kenya Boy Obama he is probably aware of this drill in advanced notice by his friendly comrade the Russians. Possibly to topple the United States. The Chinese is calling in its I Owe You. The United Nations is the calibrator to both sides.. Will listen for sounds and tremors. I smell a stink-en fish.
Help Please!
I try to read the MSNBC language but sometimes I still have trouble comprehending some terms and statements.
Would I be correct in assuming they are saying "and defending a convoy from air and sea attacks."?
Could someone please translate for me? I guess I'm still a novice at speaking MSNBC.
Arthur, you are not from China, your from another planet. Maybe you did not hear of Russia's war in Chechnya or the unprovoked attacks on Georgia and maybe you missed China's intimidation of Vietnam, Japan and most of their other nieghbors? Maybe you haven't noticed the threats China issues to India and Taiwan? Have you heard what they have done to the Dalli Lama and his homeland? Maybe you missed the justified fear that Poland and other Eastern European countries have of Russia. I can not help but be amazed by your ignorance.
If foxnews told you that you were a girl, you would be in a dress and high heels by sundown.
Because of our large naval fleet, I believe Russia and China feel they need to be allies in case of a war with us. If they are trying to intimidate us, it's not going to work.
I think the Russian ships are in the Chinese port to pick up replacement parts. Those ships were probably made in China too.
I heard the North Koreans are going to provide their expertise on missile launches for these excercises.
Would that be anything like a guy with untreated erectile dysfunction explaining how he gets women every night?