US Army investigated soldiers over suspected drug abuse in Afghanistan, data show

Goran Tomasevic / REUTERS file

U.S. Marines patrol in front of a poppy field in a village in the Golestan district of Farah province, May 4, 2009.

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Army has investigated 56 soldiers in Afghanistan on suspicion of using or distributing heroin, morphine or other opiates during 2010 and 2011, newly obtained data shows. Eight soldiers died of drug overdoses during that time. 

While the cases represent just a slice of possible drug use by U.S. troops in Afghanistan, they provide a somber snapshot of the illicit trade in the war zone, including young Afghans peddling heroin, soldiers dying after mixing cocktails of opiates, troops stealing from medical bags and Afghan soldiers and police dealing drugs to their U.S. comrades.

In a country awash with poppy fields that provide up to 90 percent of the world's opium, the U.S. military struggles to keep an eye on its far-flung troops and monitor for substance abuse.


But U.S. Army officials say that while the presence of such readily available opium — the raw ingredient for heroin — is a concern, opiate abuse has not been a pervasive problem for troops in Afghanistan.

"We have seen sporadic cases of it, but we do not see it as a widespread problem, and we have the means to check," said Col. Tom Collins, an Army spokesman.

Get an intimate view of the lives of infantry soldiers with the 10th Mountain Division, as they encounter danger and then have down time in Logar Province, Afghanistan.

PhotoBlog: Lifting the veil on Afghanistan's female addicts

The data represents only the criminal investigations done by Army Criminal Investigation Command involving soldiers in Afghanistan during those two years. The cases, therefore, are just a piece of the broader drug use statistics released by the Army earlier this year reporting nearly 70,000 drug offenses by roughly 36,000 soldiers between 2006-2011. The number of offenses increased from about 9,400 in 2010 to about 11,200 in 2011.

The overdose totals for the two years, however, are double the number that the Defense Department has reported as drug-related deaths in Afghanistan for the last decade. Defense officials suggested that additional deaths may have been categorized as "other" or were still under investigation when the statistics were submitted.

The data was requested by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch and obtained by The Associated Press. The Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps have not yet responded to the request for similar information. The Army reports blacked out the names of the soldiers who were under investigation as well any resolution of their cases or punishments they may have received.

Danger not 'fully acknowledged' by military
Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, said the numbers signal the need for the military leadership to be more vigilant about watching and warning troops in Afghanistan about drug abuse. He said the worry is that "the danger, including the danger of dying, hasn't been fully acknowledged by the military and it needs to be." 

Army officials say they do random drug testing through the service and the goal is that every soldier is tested at least once a year. Top Army leaders have said they have not met that goal, but have been working steadily to substantially increase the number of those tested each year. 

The officials also say the Army's Criminal Investigative Division has quarterly drug statistics that show that drug use by troops in Afghanistan is not greater than that of troops in installations back in the United States and there is less of a variance in drugs used by troops in Afghanistan. 

Rahmat Gul / AP

More than ten years after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.

According to Army data, an average of 1.38 million urine samples have been tested annually over the past five years, while an annual average of 106,000 soldiers were not tested at all. Officials said that regular testing is even more difficult in the war zone because the testing facilities are often far away.

The cases reflect a broad range of incidents, describing accidental overdoses as well as soldiers buying drugs from Afghan troops, stealing morphine from medical aid bags or, in some cases, taking steroids, using drugs prescribed to someone else or taking medications long after their prescriptions had expired.

Drugs bought from Afghan Army, police
In one overdose case, a member of the Kentucky National Guard was found dead of "acute heroin toxicity" at his Afghanistan base after a soldier, also in the Kentucky Guard, bought heroin from a civilian contractor and used it with him. The report found that he also had morphine and codeine in his system. 

Others more often involved soldiers who were found dead and were later determined to have taken a mix of prescription and other opiate drugs.

ARCHIVAL VIDEO, Oct. 20, 2009: Author Gerald Posner and former CIA Special Agent Jack Rice discuss a report by the Daily Beast which suggests that the Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan have launched a new offensive against U.S. soldiers – get them addicted to heroin to undermine their effectiveness.

 

The nonlethal cases range from a soldier failing a random drug test to more organized abuse.

In one case, seven members of the 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division were found to have smoked hashish and/or ingested heroin numerous times, including some bought from members of the Afghan Army and police. The investigation found that one other brigade soldier acted as a lookout while others used the drugs.

Afghan farmer: I tried, but have to grow poppies to survive

Opium is a key revenue source in Afghanistan, both for the farmers and the insurgency, which can make money selling, transporting or processing the drugs. According to a U.N. report, revenue from opium production in Afghanistan soared by 133 percent in 2011, to about $1.4 billion, or about one-tenth of the country's GDP. 

Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report.

 

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Bring them home! The stress leads to this. No more wars! And on a side note, soldiers need to pass a drug test to recieve payment in the form of a federal paycheck, Why don't welfare and disability recipients have to?

More importantly, BRING HOME THE TROOPS! Ron Paul 2012!

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#1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:35 AM EDT

agreed

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#1.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:45 AM EDT

disagree! How about stop drug testing people in general! The land of the free doesn't or shouldn't say give me your blood for analysis.

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#1.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:03 AM EDT

When you are in the military you voluntarily give up being "free" to serve your country. You also have a responsibility to your fellow soldiers to be at the top of your game. Under these circumstances recreational drug use must not be tolerated. This should not apply to civilian life as it is only ones self at risk.

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#1.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:20 AM EDT

Sorry Wallace, I have to disagree with you. It may be their own lives at risk, but they are doing it with mine, yours and everyone else's tax money, hell yeah they should be tested.

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#1.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:33 AM EDT

they need to check KBR as well there was drug use in 05 and 07 not only kbr the local hires but military as well.

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#1.5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:56 AM EDT

Agree, let's get out! The Russians knew it was a lost cause, what is wrong with our leaders?

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#1.6 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:01 AM EDT

The military, since the Revolutionary War, has been involved with substance abuse. It didn't just start in Afghanistan, Afghanistan being the number one producer of poppy does make excellent country-industry-US military comparative news though.

Drug testing, well why not test every corporation executive that gets tax payer money also for determination if they get any more?

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#1.7 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:04 AM EDT

JJ-johnnyreb2874187 - Bring them home! The stress leads to this. No more wars!

Tell the US Politicians to get the US out of the United Nations, then we (US Military) will no longer be used as the United Nation's Military B!tches.

What I personally have been involved with:

South Ossetia: UN Mission Observers.

Yemen: Redacted.

Libya: Redacted.

Iraq: IAW H.R. 4655. 1998 Operation Desert Fox. UN Mission Nation Building. 2002-2003 Operation Hotel California.

Kuwait: Liberation.

Afghanistan: Operation Cyclone. Weeks after 9/11 2001 Attacks, Overthrow the Taliban. UN Mission Nation Building.

Sudan: UN and UA (African Union) Mission. UN/UA Observers.

South and Central Americas: Redacted.

Somalia: UN Mission Somalia I and UN Mission Somalia II, and Operation Gothic Serpent aka Blackhawk Down.

Vietnam: Initially Hold French Indochina until French could reoccupy their Former Colony after the Japanese left after World War II. The French being US Allies, US Support during the Battle of Dien Bien Phu. Later (1970s my involvement as a LRRP/Ranger) UN Mission support of Democracy of South Vietnamese as the Vietnam War.

What was before my time, my father involved (also Vietnam 3 tours):

Korean Conflict: UN Mission Police Action.

Wallace J. - When you are in the military you voluntarily give up being "free" to serve your country.

And that is exactly why the US Military is losing so many people. Many no longer Reenlisting. That US Civilian Mentality that started from prior to the Vietnam War, when US Citizens were involuntarily forced thru Selective Service to Serve in the US Military during Wars, requiring those US Citizens to give up their Rights as a Special Circumstance (did not want to be Serving in the US Military).

I want to see all the US Politicians, US Citizens that demand that, giving up of Rights, to live under the Four Legal Authorities Over the US Military. example: US Citizen in Debt, slam dunked under Article 134. Sex with other than their married Spouse, bam, Article 134.

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#1.8 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

stress doesn't lead to drug use the ability to get high leds to it

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#1.9 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:48 AM EDT

Get the he|| outta' there! Why are we still there????????????????????????????

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#1.10 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:49 AM EDT

Why don't welfare and disability recipients have to?

That's the BIGGER question that should be asked here, especially those who are plopping out their fourth or fifth kid, on OUR dime.

Sorry Wallace, I have to disagree with you. It may be their own lives at risk, but they are doing it with mine, yours and everyone else's tax money, hell yeah they should be tested.

They should be tested, yes. But the ultimate responsibility for their addiction problem lies with the boobs in Washington who put them there.

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#1.11 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:00 AM EDT

hotticket - Google 'welfare drug testing' and decide if the cost-benefit makes sense. I'm thinking it does not. The states are cash strapped - which budget should they cut in order to test people? It looks like the percentage of welfare drug users is in the low single percentages and cutting them off won't pay for the tests.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/19/2757792/drug-testing-welfare-applicants.html

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#1.12 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

If this had been whiskey I doubt that there would be such outrage, but alcohol is forbidden. The problem is the amount of stress and the desire to numb ones self in order to continue the mission. This is the longest and most cynical war, we as a nation, have ever fought.

There are real limits to what human beings can handle, and the Pentagon bean counters are pushing our fighters beyond those limits. If we had a draft the burden would be shared, but we don't and it isn't. The burden falls on those who have little option but to join the military as a ticket out of poverty, and even that is a false promise in this economy. There is little in the way of jobs to come home to, and our military knows it.

They signed up to protect our country, and they are increasingly being used to protect political and moneyed interests rather than our freedom. So yes, some may turn to drugs in the face of failing marriages, mortal danger, and the realization that for all their efforts and sacrifice no real permanent changes have taken place. One would hope that the military might keep that in mind when dealing with these soldiers, but it seems unlikely.

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#1.13 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:17 AM EDT

NFIL, If something was implemented, many people would lose their benefits due to a positive test. But In realty, I think drugs should just be legalized and taxed to make money instead wasting billions to fight a losing battle against them. Then simply don't allow EBT (food stamps) to be used to buy alcohol, cigarettes, or drugs. I have no problem helping a family in need, but those aren't needs.

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#1.14 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:18 AM EDT

They actually do drug test 1-2 times a year if they are in the US. Its kinda hard to do drug test out in the war zone. And its even more hard to drug test if the soldiers and marines keep getting back to back to back deployments. I can't imagine the logistics and the amount of money it takes just to do drug test in the warzone especially when platoons or companies are scattered all over the mountainous Afghanistan without the sample getting bad in 100+ degree heat. Most times you need helos to to get where we was at.

I was there in Afghanistan and Iraq 5-6 yrs ago and I agree about morphine being stolen out of medic bags. Kinda sad. These narcotics was for the injuried marines but yet stolen for easy fix. It was a problem then...... its a problem now. Luckly I kept my meds with me at all times to prevent from being stolen.

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#1.15 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:20 AM EDT

The big issue isn't so much the war. The big issue is the decline of the quality of recruit. It used to be that if you had any past history of drug use you couldn't join. Now that isn't a barrier in the least bit. If you have done them before you are much more likely to do them again. The quality of our soldiers have dropped, it's that simple.

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#1.16 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:29 AM EDT

Duh!!! .......... what did you expect, a rubber biscuit?

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#1.17 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

@ Post 1.9, I don't know how young you are but given their circumstances, yes stress can lead to this and if you know any Viet Nam vets ask them about this particular aspect goes, they'll tell you a book-full, go to a Vet. hospital, go to a vet organization.

All I can say is it's a repeat of Viet Nam. Pilots, soldiers far too many came home addicted. We don't have any reason to still be in Afghanistan.

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#1.18 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:50 AM EDT

Young people experiment and/or use drugs habitually and frankly stress is not the reason. They do because they like how it feels. Soldiers are put into very stressful situations that certainly add to the possibility of of making bad decisions they normally would not do in civilian life.

After 9/11, in order to ramp up a war it required using the reserves much more than we had ever before done. The reason being is the big reduction during the Clinton years of military personnel. Look up the numbers. It was significant. I am not blaming Clinton, just pointing out that reduction of troops has consequences. The overuse of the reserves continues with this president. Yes he has curtailed the war in Iraq that already was on a timetable by Bush, and the war in Afghanistan will be ratcheted down with nothing to show for it except the death of OBL that was no longer relevant.

Our relations in that regions have deteriorated not improved over the past couple years. The goal was suppose to be to win the hearts and minds of those living in that region which clearly has been a huge failure.

The US should never get involved in nation building nor trying to influence our type of governmental system on others since ours is very flawed as well. With every mishap in the private sector caused by a drone or some sort of event like the Kuran burning, we take giant steps backwards. Karzi was never to be trusted and we were just deluding ourselves that we could work with him.

Our decision to help the rebels in Libya was another foray into spreading democracy in a country embroiled in a civil war. It was their war to win or lose not ours. We then sent politicians over to Egypt to stick our nose in that mess which now has gotten worse with several Americans held for trial.

Obama blamed Bush for everything possible, but now he is finding that it wasn't so easy navigating those waters. Most regular people already knew that.

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#1.19 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

disagree! How about stop drug testing people in general! The land of the free doesn't or shouldn't say give me your blood for analysis.

Sorry, hibbage, but if you are the U.S. Military, you lose some of the rights enjoyed by a civilian. I believe that one of them is freedom from "unreasonable search and seizure" .

I am more of the opinion of those who would like to bring the troops home now, except that nations which aspire to respect in the world cannot behave in a random or impulsive manner, or ignore its own agreements. We have an established time table for our withdrawal. We should follow it, accelerating it wherever possible.

What we cannot [or should not] do is to leave abruptly.

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#1.20 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:04 AM EDT

Hello folks, there will be one business the U.S. won’t leave behind and that is the very lucrative opium business. Is it any surprise our soldiers get hooked on a drug they use to escape from the atrocities they are engaged in every day. If you are naïve enough to think that the drug trade is in the hands of nefarious drug dealers and not the governments of the world you are brain washed. Since the British East India Trading Company in the 1600's the India Afghanistan area has always been the largest suppliers of Opium which has carried on today and is a multi-billion dollar business. Britain has historically controlled the opium business and now the U.S. is smack dab in the middle of it. In 2000 the Taliban had taken over and created a law that stopped the growing of poppies all the while storing vast quantities of Opium in warehouses to increase the price. Well that didn't sit well with the powers who previously controlled the opium trade. In 2001 we went to war with Afghanistan and we will be hard pressed to give back these enormous profits back to the control of the Taliban. If America was anti-drug we would have destroyed the poppy fields, we haven't! You can easily find the videos on YouTube where American soldiers are carrying bags of fertilizer for the poppy fields and guarding them.

Here is a short snippet of an article on the” war on drugs”:

The “War On Drugs” Is A $2.5 Trillion Racket: How Big Banks, Private Military Companies And The Prison Industry Cash In

News // Jul 11 2011

By David DeGraw – AmpedStatus Report

For a further understanding of how the War on Drugs is deeply intertwined with the War on Terror, the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan has led to an explosive increase in drug trade profits:

Afghanistan as a Drug War

“From a modest 185 tons at the start of American intervention in 2001, Afghanistan now produced 8,200 tons of opium, a remarkable 53 percent of the country’s GDP and 93 percent of global heroin supply.

In this way, Afghanistan became the world’s first true ‘narco-state.’ If a cocaine traffic that provided just 3 percent of Colombia’s GDP could bring in its wake endless violence and powerful cartels capable of corrupting that country’s government, then we can only imagine the consequences of Afghanistan’s dependence on opium for more than 50 percent of its entire economy.

At a drug conference in Kabul this month, the head of Russia’s Federal Narcotics Service estimated the value of Afghanistan’s current opium crop at $65 billion. Only $500 million of that vast sum goes to Afghanistan’s farmers, $300 million to the Taliban guerrillas, and the $64 billion balance ‘to the drug mafia,’ leaving ample funds to corrupt the Karzai government in a nation whose total GDP is only $10 billion.”

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#1.21 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:05 AM EDT

Why are there no stories of the great things that our soldiers do? The media always finds 1 or 2 morons and paint the picture that it is on some huge scale. Our soldiers protect civilians over there while they build schools, and medical facilities. But the media only wants you to hear the negative. I appreciate all military families and soldiers and thank you all who help protect my country.

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#1.22 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

I want to see all the US Politicians, US Citizens that demand that, giving up of Rights, to live under the Four Legal Authorities Over the US Military. example: US Citizen in Debt, slam dunked under Article 134. Sex with other than their married Spouse, bam, Article 134.

David - I salute your long years of military service. But your above suggestion, while perhaps emotionally pleasing, is neither practical, nor necessary. The U.S. has no manifest interest in the private affairs of private citizens. But an enlisted soldier, or commissioned officer is a direct employee of the U.S. government, upon whose ability to perform and function in a dedicated manner is dependent both the lives of his comrades and the success of military endeavors.

Perhaps some articles of the U.S. Military code need to be adjusted. But they certainly do not need to be applied to all U.S. Citizens, just so military personnel do not feel singled out. They are singled out; there is no avoiding that fact.

A better solution would be the re-institution of the draft. Whatever military actions proposed and executed by the U.S.A., they should be the collective responsibility of all citizens, not just those without an easy career path in civilian life. Universal eligibility for conscription is also the best possible protection of our democratic government. A citizen army is unlikely to support a military coup. A professional military can come to view itself as something separate and apart from civilian society, and as something more entitled to political power. This has happened on numerous occasions in human history, and human nature in modern day America is no different than in Rome when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.

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#1.23 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

Britain has historically controlled the opium business and now the U.S. is smack dab in the middle of it. In 2000 the Taliban had taken over and created a law that stopped the growing of poppies all the while storing vast quantities of Opium in warehouses to increase the price. Well that didn't sit well with the powers who previously controlled the opium trade. In 2001 we went to war with Afghanistan and we will be hard pressed to give back these enormous profits back to the control of the Taliban

Sorry, Trust Verify, I do not buy your theory, that the Afghanistan War was motivated by the desire to free up the Opium trade. To accept that, you would have demonstrate that the destruction of the World Trade Towers in 2011 was either a disconnected, random event, or, worse yet, an intentional act by the U.S. Government.

I do not buy it. Nor do I accept that prior to 2000, the British were in control of the Afghanistan opium trade. The heyday of British power and influence in this region ended in 1947, and they have not had a strong presence in the region since. I've no doubt that British [and American] individuals have been, and will be involved in the Opium Trade. But that is a far cry from controlling it.

Will the U.S. maintain a continued, limited presence in Afghanistan? Yes, if we are smart. But we will be unable to control the production of opium in this very poor country, where a farmer can earn 10 times as much money growing poppies, than he can from growing wheat.

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#1.24 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

10 years into a no win war; we have already announced we are pulling out; soldiers risking their life every day, for what, and our leaders are surprised that they are using drugs to cope; GET THE HELL OUT NOW.

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#1.25 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:41 AM EDT

Trust Verify - I did attempt to find videos of U.S. Troops helping to fertilize crops of poppies. Couldn't find it. I did find several news reports detailing how the U.S. Military tolerates the growing of poppies out of a desire not to alienate the local farmers.

Show me the link to this video, please.

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#1.26 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:42 AM EDT

This is why we are in Afghanistan and why we will be there until 2014.

www.rense.com/general15/game.htm

On December 11, a preliminary agreement was signed in Turkmenistan’s capital, Ashgabat, by
representatives of the four countries to proceed with plans for the American
and Israeli-backed pipeline. Here are the basic points about the TAPI pipeline:

Construction of pipeline will be completed by 2014

1,680 kilometer gas pipeline will supply 3.2 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day (much of
this gas will come from Israeli/Mossad-owned gas fields in Turkmenistan,
meaning immense profits for the Mossadniks who pulled of 9/11)............►The Obama
administration, elected on the promise to withdraw U.S. troops by July 2011,
now says the U.S. will maintain combat troops in Afghanistan until December
2014. On December 17, the House passed a defense authorization bill (by a
341-48 vote) that authorizes the Pentagon to spend more than $160 billion on
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2011 without major restrictions on the
conduct of operations. Why are U.S. (and NATO) troops being kept in Afghanistan
for another 4 years? What's really going on there? What is the cost and who is
involved in this game??

The real reason for the U.S. invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is to build and
secure a 1,080-mile long gas pipeline designed to carry trillions of dollars of
Israeli-owned gas from Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India. You could ask how
come Turkmenistans gas could be Israeli-owned, here is the answer:

Following the break-up of the Soviet Union, Israeli agents sought to gain control of the
strategic assets of the newly independent Soviet republics. In mineral-rich
Turkmenistan, a Mossad agent named Yosef A. Maiman was very successful in
gaining control of the republic's immense resources of natural gas. Yosef
Maiman, born in Germany in 1946, grew up in Peru and studied in the United
States before becoming an Israeli citizen in 1971. As an agent of Israeli
intelligence, Maiman heads a network of Mossad-controlled companies that serve
Israeli interests. As the chief executive of the Merhav Group, Maiman has
controlled the development of Turmenistan's gas resources. Maiman's key
colleagues at Merhav are the former head of the Mossad, Shabtai Shavit, and
Nimrod Novik, chief adviser to Shimon Peres, the current president of Israel.

Maiman was described as "a leading miner" of Central Asian gas fields by the Jerusalem
Post in 2004. Given their control of the immense gas resources of Turkmenistan,
Maiman, Merhav, and the "Mossad" would all profit if and when the
U.S.-led coalition were able to "pacify" and control Afghanistan so
that the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline could be
built allowing the gas of Turkmenistan to be sold to energy-hungry India . The TAPI pipeline
project would bring billions of dollars into "Mossad" coffers every
year. This is the real reason for the war in Afghanistan and why the
Zionist-controlled Obama administration has increased the war effort in Central
Asia. It has nothing to do with terrorism or 9-11.

Now you can easily understand why there was need for the "justification" of
this war, which was planned before the 9/11
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm). The false-flag terror
attacks of 9/11 were part of a strategic Israeli operation to bring the U.S.
military into Afghanistan on a long-term mission on behalf of Israel’s Turkmen
gas enterprise. The Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline is
the real reason that U.S. soldiers are killing and dying in the southwestern
Afghan provinces of Helmand and Kandahar. 9/11 was just the cover story for
this pre-planned war of aggression - and it is nothing but a complete hoax.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/04/the-real-nuclear-outlaws/

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#1.27 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

The Obama administration, elected on the promise to withdraw U.S. troops by July 2011,
now says the U.S. will maintain combat troops in Afghanistan until December
2014.

Ralph, I dd not trouble to go through all your post, which seemed highly speculative.

But I do have one question, when did Candidate Obama promise to remove all troops from Afghanistan by 2012?

I recall his promises to reemphasize this war. I do not recall him ever issuing a time table for our withdrawal.

Source?

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#1.28 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

Reading some of the posts and had been in the military for 8 years. Must mention few things. The downsize in the military started under George Bush senior. At the time if you have a bad NCOER you were not able to enlist and their were offering bonuses so you could get out of service before your time. Couldnt get the bonus was to close to get out opps.

Drugs and alcohol issues in the military is nothing new. In Panama where I spent 15 months cocaine was so cheap and more pure than in the US a gram was about 20 bucks, we were drug tested every month and believe it or not in my company soldiers were busted each time. So is not surprise that in Afganistan that drugs can be easy available soldiers are using it. Can be worse because probably is not drug test at there.

After 911 the quality of recruits were indeed out of the window. You can see it in those cases of pictures of people dead etc. In my experiences just the smell of death from a human being make me reflect that someone die at there. Some of this so call soldiers their think is funny and proud to pose with their trophies. No sense of humanity. If we act like our enemies doesnt make us any different.

I know exactly how soldiers can feel in a battlefield and is not pretty because the nasty feelings can come out specially when you see or know that fellow soldiers have lost their lifes on battle. How you handle that is the different.

    #1.29 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:01 AM EDT

    Hello dman, you are such a thread troll, I normally don't sink to such comments but you constantly spout disinformation for what purposes, I don't know. For those of you who even take anything dman says as truthful if you want to see information regarding U.S. soldiers and their role in the heroin industry you can Google videos of soldiers guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan. You will find many articles and videos on this topic.

    If you want to know why we are involved in invading other countries all you have to do is read the first paragraph of the Act of 1871! Love it or hate it, we are just protecting our corporate interests. In GOD (Gold, Oil, Drugs) we trust, right?

    The $1trillion jackpot: U.S. discovers vast natural deposits of gold, iron, copper and lithium in Afghanistan

    By David Gardner

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    #1.30 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

    OH MY people in the miltary useing drugs!!!! what a shock!!! I mean I never would have imagianed that!!! WHAT they just now figuerd that little fact out!!! Hell we had drugs on Diego Garcia back in the middle 70's!!!Peolpe in the military are not godlike and beyond reprouce, they are just ordinary folks like the rest of us...they include drunks, addicts, rapists, thieves and even murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have very little to do with the stress of being over there!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just sayin

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    #1.31 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:20 AM EDT

    Why does the Media focus on the alleged bad behavior of some US Soldiers?

    Did it happen or not? We'll never know. We read views from the Media, which seem to be anti- US Military.

    It is always the American Soldiers recently that have been "picked" out, making them look worse than the Taliban.

    Enough. They are there sacrificing their lives for the US Government, their families, and citizens here, in a long, unpopular ugly War. It is Karzai, the drug addict, along with his buddies, the Taliban who are destroying our lives here in the US. Focus on the amount of money to continue this 12 year War--it could be put to better use, here in the USA.

    "Don't believe everything one reads". All US Military are doing the job no one wants.

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    #1.32 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:20 AM EDT

    Sure Marchant, blame the press. Its their fault. Blame the actors too. This story was clearly brought to the press by the U.S. military in an effort to be open and honest. That is their job. In America, Merchant, it is the duty of government to deal openly with both the good and the bad, and indeed, it is the presses duty to report it. Toughen up boy. Welcome to America Marchant. Love it or leave it.

      #1.33 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

      dman-353357 - But your above suggestion, while perhaps emotionally pleasing, is neither practical, nor necessary. The U.S. has no manifest interest in the private affairs of private citizens. But an enlisted soldier, or commissioned officer is a direct employee of the U.S. government

      We serve at the discrection of the "Will of the People" thru their Representatives of US Congress of the US Government. Therefore, the US Congress determines the Laws that the US Military must adhere to as the UCMJ. So that means that the US Congress and US Citizens must also adhere to those US Laws required of their Servants. The old Legal saying "What is good for the goose is good for the gander".

      dman-353357 - A citizen army is unlikely to support a military coup.

      In principle yes, in reality no; I can name a couple of Nations that we (my Teams and I) pushed a little for their conscript (mandatory compulsory) Military to Overthrow their Established Government. Usually, it is a Nation with a Conscript or Mandatory Compulsory Military Service that is actually easier to cause events to have them Overthrow their Government.

      dman-353357 - A professional military can come to view itself as something separate and apart from civilian society, and as something more entitled to political power.

      When a Nation's Military is treated like Red Head B*astard Stepchildren as a distinct separate entity and the Nation's Politicians refuse to listen to the requested changes to real or perceived injustices that is one of the ways that we created a situation for a Nation's Military to Overthrow an Established Government.

      had-enough-470242 - platoons or companies are scattered all over the mountainous Afghanistan without the sample getting bad in 100+ degree heat. Most times you need helos to to get where we was at.

      The US Military Conventional Warfare Platoons or Companies are at the FOBs and COBs. It is my Teams that are scattered all over the Mountains to conduct year round US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare (including technical mountain climbing) including in the current 4 degree F weather. We cannot use any of our supporting MH-60s, MH -47s, MH-6s or we will get swarmed plus the extreme high altitude and high speed wind vortexes creates situations for ambushes (flying in the lower altitude valleys), being sucked or blown into the side of a mountain.

      TrustVerify,

      STOP SPAMMING (Spam a Pork By Product is Illegal at Islamic Nations).

      Most of the Opium of Afghanistan becomes the Chinese Drug Trade via the Oil Silk Road. A very small percentage is used by the US after being processed into Medicines. The majority of the Illegal Opium at the US comes from South and Central Americas.

      Kristian113 - Why are there no stories of the great things that our soldiers do?

      Because the US News Media are not allowed to even be with us or see us. Photograph us and we cannot work anymore.

      Kristian113 - The media always finds 1 or 2 morons and paint the picture that it is on some huge scale.

      Just like Vietnam, the News Reporters would sit in their secure Hotel Rooms writing their articles based on information that they paid for from others that were not participants.

      And think about this, a woman at an Islamic Nation:

      Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report.

      Kristian113 - Our soldiers protect civilians over there while they build schools, and medical facilities.

      That is us living with the Locals for years of consecutive tours (you must gain their trust and you cannot obtain that by abandoning them every year by rotating out); not the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces that are basically stuck on the FOBs, COBs, USAF Airbases, etc. since they do not speak the language(s) nor know the details of the Culture. We buy the local materials, have the materials transported, roll up our sleeves, stand side by side with the Afghan Villagers building their school and medical clinic, we do not build these for them, building these themselves gives them a sense of ownership that they will protect with their lives. We also do not tell them how to build as what they build from experience lasts Centuries, stays cool during the over 100 degree F summers and requires minimal heating during the near Arctic Winters (6 degrees F), high insulation factor of over a foot thick walls made of Clay Bricks (Adobe). The crap that the US Contractors build to western standards for about a Million USDs each (School or Medical Clinic) controlled by President Obama's Political Appointees (US Embassy, US Department of State) usually collapses during the first winter.

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      #1.34 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

      This whole story is just a cheap ploy by the army to disguise the fact that they are growing the opium, bringing it to the US, and selling it to dealers that put it in the hands of OUR TEENS.

      So 75 junkies in the army got caught. Here's the double standard again, because thousands of military personel knowingly use drugs and are slid through the system as long as they don't cause trouble and show up for work. But oh boy, if you the citizen want to smoke reefer, watch out. You'll get prison!

      So yeah, I have no respect for the army or the writers of this article or for my government for that matter because they are the dealers and growers and commanders of the prisons.

      Quite frankly I'm done with the lies. Here's my middle finger for you all.

      • 2 votes
      #1.35 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:13 PM EDT

      Tom T:

      The reports coming out of a War Zone, and past Wars never let their enemy know the weaknesses of our US Military. This would be Iran, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, and all UAE Emirates, North Korea.

      It is not proper to blast thru the Media, to tell all enemy countries, that our Military has weaknesses. Disastrous.

      Problems with certain Soliders is privately discussed with The President in Office, and Top Leaders in the US Armed Forces.

      Protocol. Have you heard of this?

      • 2 votes
      #1.36 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

      @trust verify

      I have trouble taking your sources seriously when this:

      Afghanistan now produced 8,200 tons of opium, a remarkable 53 percent of the country’s GDP

      From your quote, stands in direct conflict with this:

      revenue from opium production in Afghanistan soared by 133 percent in 2011, to about $1.4 billion, or about one-tenth of the country's GDP.

      From the article.

      Sorry, but 53% ≠ 1/10 -- one of you is lying, and I doubt its MSNBC.

      • 1 vote
      #1.37 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:22 PM EDT

      Trust Verify and Ralph have naIled it to the wall. Are they the only ones who get it here???

      We're there for the drugs, gas and mineral reserves. Or, at least; that's the intention of those running this sham. Only problem is, China will get all the gas and mineral goods, and we'll be stuck with a bunch of opiate-derivative junkies and a three trillion dollar tab and MORE dead troops!

      WHADDA DEAL, eh folks????????

      Protection against terrorism? CIvilian liberation? My a$$.

      (Keep fighting the GOOD FIGHT, Trust Verify)

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      #1.38 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

      Hibbage:

      disagree! How about stop drug testing people in general! The land of the free doesn't or shouldn't say give me your blood for analysis.

      That's fine, you don't have to take a drug test, as long as I don't have to hire you if you refuse.

      After all, as you said, this is the land of the free, right?

      If I don't have the freedom to not hire you because I set a certain standard that is legally recognized and accepted, and if everyone must meet that standard, then if you refuse to accept that standard, you have denied my freedom: My freedom to make sure that I have a safe and drug free place of employment which I have risked my sweat and treasure to provide.

      You are not entitled to my paycheck unless you meet the standards that I set. Seems pretty simple. But by all means, enjoy your freedom. As long as your freedom doesn't encroach on my freedom, then we'll both get along just fine.

        #1.39 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

        TrustVerify - The $1trillion jackpot: U.S. discovers vast natural deposits of gold, iron, copper and lithium in Afghanistan

        STOP TROLLING AND SPAMMING.

        I already told you before it was my Teams that discovered the High Tech Mineral Resources of Afghanistan while hunting down the Al Quada, Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Hamas Foreign Fighters, etc. by spelunking into some of the thousands of miles of mining tunnels, mines, mineshafts, etc.. Later on to verify this CIA Scientific Teams were attached to us with us providing our mountain climbing (and spelunking) expertise and security.

        The High Tech Mineral Rights of Afghanistan were LOST to the Chinese due to President Obama's March 2009 Improved Relations with Iran Policy, with the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran negotiating with the Islamic People of Afghanistan for the Chinese to get the contracts NOT THE US. In 2011, the Chinese placed Sanctions, Embargoes, Chinese Laws against the shipments of High Tech Minerals out of China, so that any High Tech requiring these High Tech Minerals must be Made In China and NOT the US.

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        #1.40 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

        Dman - Exactly what is it about my post on the TAPI gas pipeline that is speculative? A pipleline is being built, which will benefit Israel. 9/11 was committed by Israelis, Zionists in America and willing dupes from Yemen and saudi Arabia, who would have been caught, if not for inside help.

        http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec02/intelligence_12-11.html

        GWEN IFILL:
        Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that
        Americans should know about but can't?

        SEN. BOB
        GRAHAM: Yes, going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise.
        I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not
        communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence
        that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of
        at least some of the terrorists in the United States.

        I am stunned
        that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other
        terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the
        infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for
        the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots.

        To me that is
        an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I
        think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent
        of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That
        would motivate the government to take action.

        GWEN IFILL:
        Are you suggesting that you are convinced that there was a state sponsor behind
        9/11?

        SEN. BOB
        GRAHAM: I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the
        terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it
        -- by a sovereign foreign government and that we have been derelict in our duty
        to track that down, make the further case, or find the evidence that would
        indicate that that is not true and we can look for other reasons why the
        terrorists were able to function so effectively in the United States.

        GWEN IFILL:
        Do you think that will ever become public, which countries you're talking
        about?

        SEN. BOB GRAHAM: It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the
        archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this
        information now because it's relevant to the threat that the people of the
        United States are facing today.

        GWEN IFILL:
        Senator Shelby let's talk about accountability. You have been quoted on more
        than one occasion and again today talking about the CIA, George Tenet, the
        director of Central Intelligence - saying that more massive failures occurred
        on his watch than any CIA director in history.

        Do you think
        he should resign?

        SEN. RICHARD
        SHELBY: Well, I have spoken on that before. I would like him to resign. Whether
        he stays there is up to President Bush. He works with the president; he was not
        appointed by this president. I personally like George Tenet. I think he has a
        lot of good attributes and in some areas he's done a good job, but he has not
        even tried to manage the community.

        But there are
        a lot of other people that ought to be held accountable. Look at the former
        director of the CIA -- John Deutch -- on his watch a lot things did happen that
        shouldn't have happened. Former FBI Director Louis Freeh; he has got some
        accountability there. We can go on and on and I believe people should be
        accountable for their actions or inactions.

        GWEN IFILL:
        You call Louis Freeh's tenure at the FBI catastrophic I think is the word you
        used.

        SEN. RICHARD
        SHELBY: If you look back and you examine it, despite all of us liking Louis
        Freeh, it was not the best -- finest hour of FBI

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        #1.41 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

        HOTTICKET-2304234 - Trust Verify and Ralph have naIled it to the wall. Are they the only ones who get it here???

        The only thing they nailed was your arse hole.

        Afghanistan: High Tech Mineral Wealth to Chinese NOT US.

        Majority of Opium from Afghanistan to Chinese Drug Trade via the Old Silk Road.

        Iraq: Iraqis Oil to Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran's Allies the Chinese and Russian Federation.

        • 1 vote
        #1.42 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

        Hello dman, you are such a thread troll, I normally don't sink to such comments but you constantly spout disinformation for what purposes, I don't know.

        I agree, you don't know.

        As I have said to others before, the last refuge of the poor debater, the person incapable of logically and factually advancing his arguments is to resort to ad hominem attacks, such as referring to somebody as "such a thread troll".

        You can easily find the videos on YouTube where American soldiers are carrying bags of fertilizer for the poppy fields and guarding them.

        Sorry if adherence to fact, and being held to account for your own words puts you into such a frothing fury that your respond with insults. If actually referring to fact, not fancy, makes me a troll, so be it.

        I did look for the video evidence you claim is so commonplace. At the top of the search list for "U.S. Soldiers Guarding Opium", I came across a this highly politicized collage of video images (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIF6yvTL6k) which shows still images of U.S. soldiers walking through or standing in fields of poppies, but offers nothing to prove their purpose is to protect the poppies. The second link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_54LJMwG4E) is to an actual Fox News video, in which interviewed U.S. Military officers clearly state that the U.S. policy is to tolerate, not engage in, the growing of opium.

        So where are your links of U.S soldiers [your words] "carrying bags of fertilizer for poppy fields"?

        A second tactic to of the incompetent debater is to shift the subject focus. In your latest post, you now allude to the Act of 1871, with assurances that the first paragraph is indisputable proof of your theories. It may surprise you, but even in 1871, Congress frequently passed more than one law in a given session. Two appear to be of note from that year, the Civil Rights Act of 1871, and the Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia. Since there seemed to be more controversy swirling about the latter, I examined it's first paragraph, which I'm providing below:

        http://www.teamlaw.org/DCOA-1871.pdf

        Chap. LXII - An Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia.
        Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all that part of the territory of the United States included within the limits of the District of Columbia be, and the same is hereby, created into a government by the name of the District of Columbia, by which name it is hereby constituted a body corporate for municipal purposes, and may contract and be contracted with, sue and be sued, plead and be impleaded, have a seal and exercise all other powers of a municipal corporation not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States and the provisions of this act.

        Have I got the correct "Act of 1871"?

        If so, please instruct, what dire meaning your read into this paragraph, which relates only to the municipal government of the 68.1 square miles constituting Washington D.C.?

        As to the vast resources of gold, iron, copper, etc, having been discovered in this country: this is true. How this advances your theory that we are in Afghanistan to protect and profit from the drug trade, I doubt could be answered by anybody not wearing a tin foil hat.

        I'm still waiting for your "evidence" that the entire Afghanistan War, and the 9/11 attacks which preceded it were part of some conspiracy by, how did you put it, "the powers who previously controlled the opium trade.". But why offer evidence when you just respond to anybody who questions you by calling them a troll?

        Lots of luck with your half-baked "theories" and fanciful facts. They seem based upon rumor, suppositions, and outright falsehoods. You may fool some of people. You certainly do not fool me.

          #1.43 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

          Dman - Exactly what is it about my post on the TAPI gas pipeline that is speculative?

          I find your interpretations of motives speculative. I've no doubt that a gas pipeline may be under construction in that region. Why that should be so important to the U.S., a nation with a surplus of natural gas reserves, you'll have to explain to me.

          With fading hope, I'm yet waiting for an answer as to just when and where, then candidate Barack Obama promised we would be out of Afghanistan by 2012.

            #1.44 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

            ...so that any High Tech requiring these High Tech Minerals must be Made In China and NOT the US.

            David, you do realize that minerals cannot be "made" anywhere, even in China? They can only be extracted from the Earth, and then refined.

            I'm not convinced that U.S. commercial interests will be totally excluded from efforts to develop these resources. China, however, does have an clear advantage due to its closer proximity. This was true before Obama ever became president, and there is little he can do to change this fact.

              #1.45 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

              David still doesn't get it.

              David, you have a problem with READING COMPREHENSION, bro. Go back and REREAD my posts. And Trust's posts. And Ralph's posts. And dman's posts......and.......oh well...........NEVER MIND, ok????????

              *shakes head while patting YOU on the head*

              Moving on. It's been fun!

              • 4 votes
              #1.46 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

              RalphH - Dman - Exactly what is it about my post on the TAPI gas pipeline that is speculative? A pipleline is being built, which will benefit Israel. 9/11 was committed by Israelis, Zionists in America and willing dupes from Yemen and saudi Arabia, who would have been caught, if not for inside help.

              YOUR PBS COPY AND PASTE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RANT QUOTED ABOVE, AS TYPICAL ISLAMIC TAQIYA (lies to Advance Islam) and very typical Islamic Brainwashing with Islamic Nations Mandatory School Curriculum of Hitler's Mein Kampf taught as a Success Story and the Blame the Jews for everything, "Protocols of the Wise Elders of Zion" in accordance with the Islamic World's 1933 Forever Alliance With Hitler as signed by the Representative of the Islamic World Amin Al Husseini (Co founder of the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations, Muslim Brotherhood, etc.).

              The State (Nation) that they are talking about Sponsoring the 9/11 2001 Attacks is the USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran that Fully Supported the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government of Afghanistan that was providing Osama Bin Laden and Al Quada with Islamic Sanctuary as well as Fully Supporting the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Training Camps at Afghanistan.

              The person responsible for the US Intelligence being Blind Worldwide and suffering Intelligence Blackouts of Entire Regions especially the "Middle East" was President Clinton with his Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies. US Congressional 9/11 Committee Investigations, Findings and Recommendations.

              • 1 vote
              #1.47 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

              Afghanistan: High Tech Mineral Wealth to Chinese NOT US.

              Majority of Opium from Afghanistan to Chinese Drug Trade via the Old Silk Road.

              Iraq: Iraqis Oil to Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran's Allies the Chinese and Russian Federation.

              Hence China's eagerness to bankroll our 'follies'?

                #1.48 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:14 PM EDT

                "In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center.... [there were] early drills, including one operation, planned in July 2001 and conducted later, that involved planes from airports in Utah and Washington state that were 'hijacked.' Those planes were escorted by U.S. and Canadian aircraft to airfields in British Columbia and Alaska. NORAD officials have acknowledged that 'scriptwriters' for the drills included the idea of hijacked aircraft being used as weapons.... Until Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD conducted four major exercises a year. Most included a hijack scenario.'"
                NORAD had drills of jets as weapons
                USA Today, 18 April 2004

                The US Air Defence Response On 911
                'Fight Smart', 19 September 2004

                "The defense of U.S. airspace on 9/11 was not conducted in accord with preexisting training and protocols....."
                THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT, JULY 2004 (p 31)

                Drugs are just a small chip in a much bigger game. And we are just the willingly ignorant masses.

                Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire- YouTubeshows that Condi, Rumsfeld, W, Wolfowitz, et al had full knowledge of the complexity and dangers and risk of both 911 and the Iraq Invasion despite the across the board denials by each and every one of them, as well as the profits derived by playing along and lying to the very United States Citizens they were sworn to serve.

                [PDF] The Big Lie

                Organised Crime & International Terrorist Networks

                911 Anomalies

                We need not stay ignorant. Despite the burying/removal of much factual information and whitewashing by the Feds, plenty of information still abounds, for now. Being a willing participant in no way extricates one from following orders which are illegal in basis of being committed during invasion of sovereign Nations.

                For those that do not think Americans could be so gullible, please refer to any point in our recent history of wars, sanctioned assassinations, Nation Building, use of dangerous chemicals such as Agent Orange (and the further enrichment & control given these very manufacturers in the US/World's crops) on our own troops, as well as the Gulf of Tonkin incident to bring about desired conflicts, installation of Shahs, Presidents, and other Leaders of foreign Countries, just as a few examples.

                Keep on believing that Our Government has not morphed/developed into exactly what President Dwight D Eisenhower warned this Nation against on his exit speech.

                Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex « Truth11

                Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube

                I am sure even this clear and present danger sill find the same shill detractors opining against it.

                Peace

                • 1 vote
                #1.49 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

                I am sure even this clear and present danger will find the same shill detractors opining against it.

                Ran out of edit time. Sorry for this!

                But in the face of all of these very chilling realities, the intricacies of which are difficult if not impossible to prove by outsiders to the Game, we must NEVER stop questioning with due diligence.

                The World We May Save Depends On It.

                Real world or drill?

                  #1.50 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

                  Here is another perspective on Opium Growing and Eradication Efforts in Afghanistan, particularly the Helmand Province, though it pertains to other crops and history as well. Note that USAID ultimately concludes that we seem to fail miserably despite the veiled attempts to eradicate and that the crops continue to grow/produce at record rates.

                  ps - little fertilizing is necessary for opium, so the fertilizer trust verify may be referring to might just have been for this exchange crop program, even if later its use was diverted to poppies.

                  OPIUM POPPY CULTIVATION IN CENTRAL HELMAND ...

                  A good complimentary piece, below:

                  The opium poppy is an undemanding plant | RegionPlus.az

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.51 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

                  Hello folks, I'm pretty sure David475776 and dman are one in the same. If there was an article that read the "Sun warms the earth", you would get a rebuttal from David/dman. The ruse is up. Why don't you contribute to the intellectual growth of humanity instead of obfuscating it?

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.52 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:02 PM EDT

                  Somethings don't change. When I entered the service in 1970 I had never used drugs. In A School and aboard ship drugs were plentiful and on a ship of 220+ over half at leased smoked pot and hash. The civilian world keeps a much closer watch that the military does.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.53 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                  Hello folks, I'm pretty sure David475776 and dman are one in the same. I

                  Hello Folks, Above we have another news-flash from that oracle of truth, TrustVerify, a person who only requires half the facts to determine his own special brand of reality.

                  TrustVerify, if your reading comprehension even came close to matching the intensity of your delusional beliefs, you'd have noticed that David-475776 and I agree on practically nothing, except that you have absolutely no clue what is happening in the world around you.

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.54 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                  Afghanistan is a lost cause and always has been. While I support punitive action against Al Qaeda this nation building BS that is currently going on is BS. Please bring these warriors back to America and stop policing the damn world.

                  • 3 votes
                  #1.55 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

                  @ The Devil

                  You have hit it right on the head when you say "stop policing the damn world"!!

                  That has been my thought on what our position should be for some time now!!! We as a nation have somehow gotten the notion that it is our job to police other countries and that has gotten us even deeper into a sh*thole with other country's due to them despising us for this exact reason as well as the US using our military to PROTECT the interests of big business in other country's/continents! We need to worry about US as a country, take care of our people and business HERE on THIS LAND!!!!

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.56 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

                  @dman

                  TrustVerify, if your reading comprehension even came close to matching the intensity of your delusional beliefs, you'd have noticed that David-475776 and I agree on practically nothing, except that you have absolutely no clue what is happening in the world around you.

                  Not only that, but the two of you have absolutely no similarity in grammar and sentence composition. That is readily obvious to even a casual reader.

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.57 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:13 PM EDT

                  WMG - - thanks.

                    #1.58 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:41 AM EDT

                    The only reason why this is an issue to the military is that if more soldiers abuse heroin, the less they can sell in the US or Europe at $300/oz.

                      #1.59 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:49 PM EDT
                      Reply

                      Looks like there's a need to upgrade their drug testing from once per year to once per month.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:37 AM EDT

                      Sounds great. Another thing the taxpayers can pay for.

                      • 2 votes
                      #2.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:02 AM EDT

                      When I was in the Army my unit was drug tested monthly, not 100% tested, it would randomly test 40% or so of the company and twice annually a full company UA. We weren't tested while deployed but I wasn't aware of anyone using anything other than OTC sleep aids. My unit was at nearly 120% strength and they were looking for reasons to get rid of low performing soldiers.

                      • 3 votes
                      #2.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

                      Speaking of a huge waste of tax payers money, on the 19th I got to witness Homeland Security and the DEA in action. 35 people, some in riot gear, others in hazmat suits surrounded my home, dragged me out, and tore the place to shreds all to find 10 pot plants that came up to my knee. They blocked off the entire block and went door to door telling people to stay in their homes because there would be "deadly spores" floating around. The used forced air from a fire truck to vent my immaculately clean home out for an hour before entering in hazmat suits.

                      Next to the pot plants were Beef Steak Tomato plants, Zukes, cantaloupe, peppers, squash and lettuce, all of which were growing in the same 100% organic, pesticide free aquaponics set up.

                      The operation cost the county over $100,000 dollars, I bonded out the next morning for $300 dollars on a misdemeanor cultivation charge.

                      Kind of makes you proud to be an American when you see this kind of OVERKILL and govermental waste. No wonder this country is going broke, the war on drugs is costing us trillions and going nowhere. I offered to let them in and show them where everything was but they would have none of that, Homeland Security had to justify their existence in a state where Americans dont even want to move to, let alone international terrorists.

                      $100,000 to arrest one old man who has IBS and smokes weed so he doesn't have to live next to a toilet 24/7, and yes pot works better than anything any doctor has ever prescribed for it. I contracted Ecoli from tainted beef in 2005, the "hospital" here nearly killed me, by the time I was life-flighted to University of Utah I was going into convulsions and something they did had caused my testicles to swell to the size of grapefruit and I had a blood clot in my arm where a nurse had shot something she wasnt supposed to. The doctors in utah told me my stomach would never be the same after what the doctors in Wyoming did to me. From that moment on I had diarrhea 24/7 and constant extreme nausea, I had to be on a IV constantly to keep me hydrated. NOTHING they prescribed alleviated the problems. While visiting my wifes family in California in 2006, her uncle who has Glaucoma told me to try pot, I declined at first due to my job but when our vacation began to be constant hunt for a public restroom I gave in. After just two hits the nausea was gone, and by the end of the day I was "regular" for the first time in a year. Unfortunately with in hours of them raiding my home I was right back to where I was while laying in a hospital bed in 2005.

                      Yes I am sure weed has longterm side effects just as any pharmecuticals would, but I am not worried about that what I am concerned about is the QUALITY OF MY LIFE NOW, and pot made my life actually tolerable.

                      • 7 votes
                      #2.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

                      Thanks for the info Ajax, it's refreshing to hear the facts without a bunch of hateful mumbo jumbo. Thank you for your service.

                        #2.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:09 PM EDT

                        Maybe, we should "upgrade" the testing to include CONGRESS. They are the numbskulls that continue to finance these no win wars--well, someone wins--the politicos and the contractors come out pretty well.

                        • 3 votes
                        #2.5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:07 PM EDT
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                        US should have learned from the Vietnam War- how continuous combat without any endgame recudes the morale of an army- and widely available opiates to deaden the combat fatigue, roadside bombs,bombs,being shot by allies and foes and being continuously on the alert. There is no oversight whatsoever if troops can buy heroin (must be very strong). Overdoses that medics cannot always address since troops are scattered around in their bases. Kudos for Judicial Watch in unearthing this problem since it matters very much explaining how combat troops make the wrong decision,acting out in the haze of narcotics etc. US Congress must address these problems pronto- since they pose an internal threat to all troops on the ground (air too). Being on 4th or 5th combat tour with combat fatigue (since no clear endgame) makes it easier to succumb for using opiates to cope with the eternal combat. I feel sorry for all those soldiers who cannot cope anymore and DoD is demanding more combat tours with the ever remaining same threat of being shot at,roadfside bombs,suicide bombers,shot by your allies. Carnage.

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                        Reply#3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:46 AM EDT

                        Agree with your comments..........But Congress doing something? and pronto?...Our Congressmen/women act like they are on drugs with the power trips they are on that result in ignoring everything other than their own agendas.

                        So maybe the military brass can do something and a heck of a lot faster.

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                        #3.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:38 AM EDT

                        Speaking of the "US Congress," could we get them drug tested too!!!!!!

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                        #3.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:43 AM EDT

                        mimi jacques,

                        The situation here.

                        Afghanistan was NEVER a Conventional War (Conventional named after the 1907 Hague Convention, later when Military ran from trenches into machinegun fires; after the 1949 Geneva Convention later when Military ran up hills to hold ground during the Korean War; Conventional War the attempt to make War "Civilized" (Civilianized)).

                        97% of the US Military is Conventional Warfare Forces as demanded by the US Civilians due to the US Politicians that they hired. As the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces require the large quantities of US Military Equipment manufactured in their States (US Civilian Jobs, States Economies). US Military Conventional Warfare Forces do not have high Retention incentives, they are minimally Trained, average ages after training from 18-30.

                        3% of the US Military are Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special Warfare). Usually selected to be further trained from the mature experience surviving US Military Servicemembers of the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces, average age after training starting out at age 18-19 is age 35 not including the required College level language(s) and College level Culture(s) based on Area(s) of Operation(s). US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces are trained to operate without support as a LAST resort, and normally require the support of US Military Conventional Warfare Forces. US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces are considered a Strategic Asset with Mission of Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goals and it is common to be attached to the President's own Executive Intelligence Agency, CIA SAD/SOG or be assigned to a US Embassy with Diplomatic Immunity. Usually, the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces are the first in, and the last out; and many times live with the Locals for years of consecutive tours (reason for the College level Language(s) and Culture(s) Degrees). example (watch the video): http://dougstanton.net/

                        Afghanistan is an Islamic Nation, Alcoholic Beverages are usually Illegal at Islamic Nations. One of the Four Legal Authorities Over the US Military are the Local Laws (Afghan, Islamic Laws, Status Of Forces Agreement (SOFA)). Many of the younger Military tend to do things like buying Afghan 90% Ethanol, or do the really dangerous making their own "moonshine". It is not like you can go to the nearest 7 Eleven and buy a bottle of booze. And unlike the US Military the US Civilians at the US Embassy can have Alcoholic Beverages (and they taunt and flaunt this privilage).

                        As far as the Repeated Tours. Currently only 1% of US Citizens are Serving the US Military. 92% of US Citizens refuse to do their Civic Duty by Serving the US Military (Candidate Obama during the Presidential Debates, "US Military Service is a Civic Duty").

                        To make matters worse, with more tours, and longer tours, President Obama as Commander In Chief has directed the Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military of: 80,000 US Military Personnel + 27,000 US Military Personnel returning from the Wars + 10,000 US Military Personnel returning from the Closed US Military Installations at Germany + 5 more Brigades. specific numbers by US Military Branch: US Army: www.armytimes.com; USAF: www.airforcetimes.com; USMC: www.marinecorpstimes.com; USN: www.navytimes.com. As stated by Secretary of Defense Gates during his last visit here, just before tendering his Letter of Resignation to President Obama (coincidence that he did not agree with President Obama's RIF, and President Obama not listening to his or his Flag Officers Expert Experienced Advice) eventhough President Obama requested he remain as Secretary of Defense.

                        OBXRon - So maybe the military brass can do something and a heck of a lot faster.

                        Civilian Control Over The US Military. How many more Generals do you want President Obama to demand their Letters of Resignation: General McKiernan, General McChrystal, General Petraeus (you did not know that did you or why).

                        The Only Flag Officer (General or Admiral) that President Obama ever listened to was Admiral Mullen that did not have any training nor experience in Ground Combat (experience you cannot obtain from advisers or books), and only had training and experience in USN Surface Warfare (when was the last USN Naval Battle). And do not even mention the Rescue of Captain Phillips or the Termination of Osama Bin Laden, as President Obama had to be pressured by the US Military and US Intelligence Agencies to authorize either Mission because he believed that a Failure would destroy his Political Career.

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                        #3.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                        Agreed! I lived through the Vietnam "era", and what is going on in Afghanistan is very similar to what went on in Vietnam in every way.

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                        #3.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

                        I live in an area where heroin was brought back with the soliders from Korea and Vietnam and it's devasted the community and three generations later the toll on the young and the community has been heavy and every family can tell you a story. Heroin abuse doesn't discrimate by race, age, sex, economic status. It's a grim reaper I know so many grandparents who are raising their grandchildren due to the problem and what an addict will due to support their habit is bad. They steal, cheat, and lie. While HIV and AIDS seem to be contained Hep C is killing a lot of not only the users but the one's who have cleaned up. We also have a lot of returning Iraqi and Afghanistan soliders and PTSD is also causing a lot of problems for these disabled soliders. The toll of Iraq and Afghanistan on the US hasn't even begun. God Bless all these soliders and I pray that we don't forget them like we did to the Vietnam Vets. Many of them are sick and homeless with mental and addiction issues.

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                        #3.5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:13 AM EDT
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                        These are not our soldiers from WWII, an era when brilliant US military men at the bottom of the ranks showed valor and courage in Europe and the Pacific.

                        These are the guys who flunked out of school and decided to ship off to the military for some kind of life and success after service. They are not the educated brilliant masses that fought in WWII.

                        Our military is different from WWII and many people today do not understand that.

                        We should get out of Afghanistan, stop the bleeding. We aren't showing the Afghans our best side as WWII veterans did all over the world. We're showing the ignorant and damaged goods of America now. Many of them are good soldiers, but we are over run with flunkies and borderline criminals now and it shows.

                        It is no surprise to me, because many of them rent from me. Many of them don't pay and when you contact their commanding officer, the C.O. doesn't demand they pay up like WWII C.O.'s would.. They let them hide because they know the kids are losers and will never pay. They ship them off to Germany or who knows where because they are a scourge to the military now.

                        I found one guy who owes me over $3,000 back rent and he's in Germany. His C.O. did nothing and that's because the C.O. has no honor either...

                        This military is different now. You WWII vets would throw up on many of these kids today. It's a shame because many are courageous and honorable. However, too many are the scum of the earth. Welcome to the 21st century military duty in America.

                        It sickens me because my dad served in WWII and all those guys were honorable. Same with Viet Nam, most of them were honorable and decent men... It has changed forever!

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                        Reply#5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:48 AM EDT

                        Dave, I'm sorry but you are being deluded by the same media (read: propaganda) that you (people) are/were exposed too during a given era. Your romantic notion of WW2 (and Vietman) Vets being nothing but brillient shining examples verus today's Combat soldiers is honorable but not the truth. Back in the WW2 era the media was only allowed to report possitive reports. They were highly sensored compared to even the Vietman era and especially now. Vietman became a negative debacle for many reasons but one was the unrestricted access of the media to embed with troops and lack of sensorship. Believe me when I say that every war has it's share of hero's to zero's just like any other slice of life. War is dirty, nasty, and does not lend itself to bringing the best out of people. Today's Soldiers are just as honorable as any other era. As poster Loooooong stated, much of the problem lies with in the military culture in and of it'self. Judication is not administered equally to all infractions. His example is quite common for a Commander playing the CYA game.

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                        #5.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:50 AM EDT

                        you dont know anything about what you talk about....the educated, brilliant masses you refer to didnt occur til AFTER the war due to the GI bill...most of them were uneducated as compared to the education of people today...they came from all over the united states and there were ALL sorts of people in the military...

                        there were many atrocities committed by all sides in ww2...we executed pow all the time in the field of battle...there will ALWAYS be atrocities in war and there will ALWAYS be problems with some of those who are exposed to combat...

                        there were great cases of cowardice and bravery just as there is today...

                        yes anyone not as good as you are scum-bags..right...btw, how many friends have YOU lost in combat right next to you?

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                        #5.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:56 AM EDT

                        Dave, I am sorry to break it to you, but today's military is more educated than at any other time. And, they are less likely to have previous run ins with the law. In other wars, when there was a draft, anyone who could pass the physical was sent off to war. And many a young man after practicing some ill thought youthful exuberance was given the choice of joining the military or going to jail.

                        Today's military demands at least a high school diploma or GED and there are many legal offenses that preclude one from military service in this "all volunteer" military.

                        I also kind of had to chuckle at your naiveté regarding the character of those who serve. They are no different than any other section of human society. There are good people and bad people. In the armed forces good people can find it difficult to advance through the ranks because their internal moral compass does not allow them in good faith to adhere to certain policies. But conversely, some "bad" people do well and achieve promotions because they have no problem with ignoring ethics and morality to further the agenda of military industrial complex in any given situation. And because that makes them an asset to the military much bad behavior gets overlooked and/or covered up.

                        While substance abuse has long been a problem during war times, this era, beginning in Korea/Southeast Asia has been particularly difficult for our soldiers and sailors. Firstly many who have been deployed in these conflicts in the Middle East would in other wars never have been as they were part of the National Guard and as such were not really expected to be sent to the front lines and certainly not for multiple tours without necessary down time between. And the military rarely used the stop loss clause that in effect holds a soldier as an indentured servant at the whim of the government. That brings us to the second part of the equation; multiple tours, no down time, no end in sight and no particular objective.

                        This type of physical and mental stress creates a huge set of problems for the common soldier. It's called battle fatigue, shell shock or PTSD; call it what you will. In previous conflicts those soldiers who began to show serious symptoms of such were sent home, or at least to some sort of "rehab" until they were fit to return to combat, if they ever were.

                        During Viet Nam cannabis was everywhere. It was used by the combat troops in huge numbers. In the jungle not only you can't see your enemy, but you don't even know how to identify him if you do; that creates a particular hellish situation that creates stress that needs to be alleived. Heroin was also widely available and far too many young men and women came home as addicts with no help from the government, (the same government that created the situation that turned them into addicts), to heal their addiction. That is why after that conflict so many of our veteran's found themselves living under bridges. This is the same exact situation that we see today. Or as my son would say "SSDD".

                        I would for a moment and in closing like to get back to the character of those who served honorably in WWI and WWII. I had the opportunity to be well acquainted with a gentleman who served in WWI. One of his funniest stories was about how as a member of the Marine band he and several other of the band members smuggled a bass drums full of cannabis back from the Panama Canal zone after playing there for the dedication. That would have been around 1914. While cannabis was not strictly illegal at this time it was, for entertainment purposes seriously frowned upon. This gentleman eventually went on to combat in Europe and was seriously wounded and found himself trapped behind enemy lines. He was eventually gotten out by some French farmers. Yes, he did serve honorably and well, he also used drugs during part of his service and alcohol was a constant friend. Because it is legal you know.

                        The men and women of WWII were equally as likely to abuse alcohol and drugs. I guess you haven't sat around much with groups of old timers and listened to the crazy stories about some of their, lets say adventures. While many of them drank and whored their way across the globe they still served with honor. They were however simply human. And when you wake up every single day knowing for a certainty that it could very well be your last it is human nature to thumb your nose at death by living life as large as possible. Or in the case of today's troops, medicating as much as possible to get through the day. This is nothing new.

                        To address your complaints about military personnel who skip out on their debts, again Dave, nothing new. Over the years I have been friends with a great number of those who were in the armed forces. They are by and large quite young with no life experience and they live in poverty. They also have the extra added bonus of not having any stability in their lives, they can be deployed at any minute, or sent on some assignment or the other and it is very difficult for them to maintain the bills coming due at "home". It has been my observation that they generally don't skip out on their debts at a greater rate than any other of their peers. Which is actually a nod to them as they have a greater burden to carry.

                        Please stop buying into the "hero" hype of government controlled media. Yes there are certainly heroes enough to go around. But not every single person in uniform is a hero. What they are are individuals with the same foibles as everyone else. The greater story is that despite shortcomings, some of them serious, they manage to serve; perhaps not always with the fictional honor or morality of propaganda and media aggrandizing, but with the real honor of human beings stretched to their physical and mental limits; they do what they need to do. That's the story we should be telling.

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                        #5.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                        I am a Vietnam vet and I assure you that those boys serving us today are choir boys and good kids compared to me by the time I got out.

                        My father-in-law fought from Guadalcanal to Okinawa and was a hero in my eyes but he suffered the same demons I did about the war he fought.

                          #5.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:34 PM EDT

                          Dave Simpson-----Bottom line,,,if you have more houses than you can live in we don't pity you when you can't always collect your " Income " that you barely pay any taxes on which in turn that means you barely pay for the military you are criticizing...I hope you get stiffed for rent all of the time and lose your " Income " properties and a returning soldier can buy it at foreclosure with the money he saved not paying you rent...

                          The WW2 generation was not any better than this generation is so stop the sucking up to people who for the most part are dead and gone anyway...I mean for real Vietnam vets are pushing 70 years of age....

                          By the way when did you serve ? I think I know the answer to that...I am an Army Veteran....

                          How did you get these properties in the first place ? I bet Daddy handed them to you and do you or have you ever had to work for anything ? Not likely since someone who served his country and worked hard wouldn't glorify some past generation while denigrating the current since a rational thinking contributor to society would realize that every generation from the founding till the present is equally protecting our freedom when they serve and like wise making our country greater when they work and contribute to the greater good of society....But you just sit around waiting on rent checks(admitted speculation) and then go tattling to their company commander when you don't get your money on time...exacerbating some ones problems even more by causing them trouble (UCMJ makes it a crime to be a debtor) with the Army and they already are probably having domestic difficulties since they go hand in hand with financial troubles....

                          SO in summary people like you giving these soldiers a hard time is causing them to turn to drugs too...

                          I mean you should just have them evicted right away when they don't pay ( Or you could do your part for the country and show a little compassion and give these guys and gals a break, since the loss would be even more of a tax write off anyway and you should be pretty close to Romney's rate)

                          One more thing you didn't mention politics at all but I know without a doubt by your post that you will be voting for GOP members straight down the ticket because mean people like you are always republican...not all republicans are mean....Kinda like what Bill Maher says " Not all republicans are racists but all racists are republican"....And don't take that to mean I am saying you are racist I just said you are mean....But you probably are.....

                            #5.5 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:39 PM EDT
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                            more and more negative articles about the troops. the left has been waiting and waiting for the opportunity. In recent weeks I have seen comments like "they are baby killers" "they are all losers or they wouldnt join the military" etc... its all coming out now. I am sure the years of having to ACT patriotic has been hard on them.

                            AS for me, I will not say or think one negative thing about any of them as long as they are in those circumstances. God Bless em all.

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                            Reply#6 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:49 AM EDT

                            well keep those blinders on as we continue to kill and murder. go america!

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                            #6.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:10 AM EDT

                            as you sit there and hide behind the wall of freedom they provide !!!!!!!

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                            #6.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:29 AM EDT

                            as you sit there and hide behind the wall of freedom they provide !!!!!!!

                            Pray, tell - what freedoms are you talking about? The freedom to be groped and humiliated when flying or now, it seems, even when riding a bus?

                            The freedom to be arrested on even minor charges and be strip searched at will?

                            The freedom to be declared an enemy of the state, and murdered without trial at the whim of the President?

                            The freedom to be forced to p*ss in a bottle to get a job?

                            The freedom to pay taxes so our government can pay off their cronies in the banking industry?

                            The freedom of seeing runaway inflation eat away at the meager savings we manage to keep after paying those taxes?

                            The freedom to obtain a permit for most anything you wish to do in public, like handing out bottles of water to the thirsty, or food to the homeless, or even setting up a lousy lemonade stand?

                            The freedom to protest in wired cages called 'Free Speech Zones" while no one cares or even hears your protests?

                            The freedom to walk through metal detectors and endure pat downs in almost every federal building?

                            The freedom of trying to obey more than 55,000(!) federal laws on the books, any one of which can set you up for a felony you never knew existed?

                            The freedom of having to register with the government to buy a package of cold medicine?

                            The freedom of having armed commandos break through your front door because... gasp! You smoked some medicinal weed known to mankind since the days of the Egyptians?

                            The freedom to be randomly stopped while driving and produce your papers?

                            And this is just a taste, a tip of the iceberg of the many "freedoms" we enjoy.

                            My... the list of freedoms we enjoy are almost endless!

                            (For the educationally challenged, those last 2 lines were sarcasm.)

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                            #6.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:04 AM EDT

                            absolutely right....most people just sing that bull@!$%# of how our military is protecting our "freedom"

                            the only threat to our freedom comes from the government...the al-quada (spelling) didnt take our freedom, the government did

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                            #6.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:14 AM EDT

                            I was prescribed narcotics by the military while deployed to help me with sleep and pain after attacks. As I process through the deployment processing they say I can not have them any more.

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                            #6.5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:23 AM EDT

                            thrill, jay and jaques,

                            You've never served, obviously. You drivle on about something you don't have a single clue.

                            GFY!

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                            #6.6 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

                            thrill, jay and jaques,

                            You've never served, obviously. You drivle on about something you don't have a single clue.

                            GFY

                            Yes, I did. I was given the freedom of seeing my bud's brains partially blown out, and him gurgling his last words in a gush of blood. I couldn't see his eyes - or rather the one that was left intact. It was too full of blood. Do you know what stands out? Actually 2 things. That freshly splattered brains look like raspberry chiffon - with bubbles. And that even though all hell is exploding around you - somehow looking at a man die - everything goes silent. You still hear the noise - but it doesn't matter anymore.

                            Oh - and by the way, they usually don't die quickly - even from wounds that would make a sadist puke. It takes a while before the soul gives up and flies off into eternity. That rasping death rattle will burn a hole in your memory every time - I assure you.

                            GFY? Sure, guess I'll just nip along now and perform some dubious carnal knowledge upon myself.

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                            #6.7 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:21 PM EDT
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                            as a former UPL (Unit Prevention Leader) every 60 days a 10% 6 month 50% and every year a 100% piss and breath test. also EVERY time after leave a soldier must take a piss and breath test. after ANY (TDY,combat,special ) deployment a piss and breath test must be completed. also on a side note after any deployment a TB test must be done just fyi. and its not stress jj the military gets its members from everywhere who bring their drug habits with them i been to combat had rockets fired at me been shot at mortars by the 100s and not once did i think to use drugs. no its each person to be strong in mind and body to decide today i do drugs like a retard or be smart and not do drugs. stress is a over used excuse

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                            Reply#7 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:52 AM EDT

                            I'm a JTAC in the Air Force. Just as any close organization, for everything except the 100% personnel tests, I get chosen every time for the "random" tests. WHy? Im 100% clean and they've figured that out.

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                            #7.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:02 AM EDT

                            I'm a vet also, these guys ARE stressed.

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                            #7.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:21 AM EDT
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                            Look, we are going to stay until Afghanistan is hooked on Capitalism. That is what it is all about. Once they get caught up into making money, then we will leave.

                              Reply#8 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:57 AM EDT

                              I've been in and out of that hell hole and Iraq for nine years. I wish I would see a US member using any one of these, that would have been the end of their career. Pathetic. Embarrassing.

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                              Reply#9 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:59 AM EDT

                              Gee,, What a surprise, MSNBC picks a Troop bashing story.

                              HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF GREAT POSITIVE SOLDIER STORIES OUT THERE, Maybe thousands !!!!!!

                              BUT would MSNBC or NBC EVER post those stories,,,,,,,,,,,,

                              , Ha, NEVER,,,,, Just keep on bashing OUR men and women out there serving our country

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                              Reply#10 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:59 AM EDT

                              Is this a "Blame the Messenger" post?

                              Would you also be the one criticizing MSNBC posts stories about Congress doing nothing because that iis again another Leftist example of bashing our finest representatives for being so conservative that nothing gets done?

                              I agree we should all treasure and honor the service of our veterans. But when they come back with mental problems and drug habits as a result of their service we forget about them it seems in many examples of homeless or mentally challenged people in our major cities who are ex-servicemen. Put actions where mouths are and HELP our returning servicemen. Give them mental care follow ups, job preferences and housing assistance for those lost years "protecting us"

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                              #10.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:47 AM EDT

                              OBX...I understand your point of view and agree to a point....but, it is strange that the video in the article states that drug use has doubled....yet the statistics presented in the article do not support that contention at all. It says that it is about the same as for any war. I can't explain that.

                                #10.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

                                I'd LOVE to see some Troop stories on "Troops helping the hungry", "Troops raising money for charity"

                                "Troops helping flood victims"..

                                Gee, where are those stories ?

                                  #10.3 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:17 AM EDT

                                  You don't see them (the "Good Things") because youare not looking for them. I see them nearly everyday - no, they are not in the headlines, nor are their headlines when someone turns in a wallet found on the floor at Wal*Mart. That is expected. You don't get points for feeding your children, paying your bills on time, checking on the elderly neighbor next door if you don't see them for a few days or calling your parents ... just because.

                                  If you are only seeing the negatives - maybe that has more to say about what you are looking for, paying attention to ... than it does about all the good which happens in the world everyday.

                                  Bad things are Bad - because good people don't do bad things. Bad People do bad things - Our newspapers point them out as a lesson for what not to do, not as an example of what it takes to get your name in the paper or bring shame on your family.

                                  In some ways - its people like you Reactionaries, who do a disservice when they rail against news stories which offer life lessons which warn against us settling into a lackadaisical cocoon - assuming that things are great, because no one tells of the bad things that are happening.

                                  In the absence of Bad news - most of use assume things are going great... Its the flaw of non-parents. Parents know - when the kids are quiet - you need to check to see what they are up to?

                                    #10.4 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:27 AM EDT

                                    Positive news doesn't sell.

                                    I bet if the article was titled "Marine saves a puppy", most likely it wouldn't be read as much as this one.

                                      #10.5 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:19 PM EDT
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                                      this is the shadow war. The War For Drugs- not the war on drugs.

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                                      Reply#11 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:00 AM EDT

                                      That's an interesting thought Lance. The Taliban had actually forbidden the growing of poppies in Afghanistan for 2 years before we came in and put a stop to that. Now they actually produce more then they ever did before. What's really interesting is that almost none of the final product comes to America (ours is still supplied by South America mostly). The lion's share of that heroin has gone to Russia and Iran, How interesting! Since then Russia has become (by far) the highest country of heroin consumption in the world followed by........wait for it....Iran. What does that tell you? Sounds like a strategy to me.

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                                      #11.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:02 AM EDT

                                      Drugs are but a side game which allows the many other facets to continue unimpeded. It gets many different factions a piece of the pie, so a blind eye is cast and truth muted.

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                                        #11.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:06 PM EDT
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                                        And of course you must go back and FIND the original AP wire news article and see how MSNBC has added to or DELETED anything.

                                        YES, kids, MSNBC gets caught weekly altering most news articles to suit their agenda.

                                        TOO FUNNY, and when they do change things, THEY GET CAUGHT by MISSPELLING key words.

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                                        Reply#12 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:06 AM EDT

                                        Get the tinfoil off your head, the AP distributes their stories in a bottom line up front style specifically for newspapers and sites to edit the stories.

                                          #12.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:45 AM EDT

                                          Agreed Dennis. Spent better than 20 years not fabricating news for a number of newspapers. The majority of journalists I know would quit the job rather than have someone with an obvious bias dictate the content and tone of their reports.

                                            #12.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:55 AM EDT

                                            DefendAmerica: perhaps your unyielding love for our country and its fighting men/women would be better manifested by lobbying for better veterans assistance than by patrolling online media outlets for articles unflattering to the troops.

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                                            #12.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:14 AM EDT
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                                            Druggies are druggies. The weak people in the military using drugs, would be doing the same if they were home.

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                                            Reply#13 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:21 AM EDT

                                            You're just an @!$%#. I see you in here all the time talking the same line of bull@!$%#. The only exception was when you were talking about how cool the cops were for letting you and your buddies get away with driving while intoxicated.

                                            Did you ever go to war? Seems like you're Vietnam era judging by the picture of your crusty old ass. If you were and have no sympathy for those who looked for an escape from the horrors of war, than you are a sick son of a bitch who likes killing people.

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                                            #13.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:59 AM EDT

                                            Lol, Tumble is a very rigid and uncompromising man. Empathy is not in his lexicon at all.

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                                            #13.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:12 AM EDT

                                            I agree Tumble. Weak is weak.

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                                            #13.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:25 AM EDT

                                            You're right Leroy.

                                            I've seen the damage. I can't find any good excuse for druggies or drunks. I have friends that do one or both, and I don't give them a break.

                                              #13.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:38 AM EDT

                                              That just isn't true, most of us that used in war time never used once home.

                                                #13.5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:55 PM EDT

                                                Yeah, Tumbleweed is a douche who hides behind his gun collection

                                                  #13.6 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:26 PM EDT
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                                                  Poppy Capitol of the World and amazing how long the Artifical POPPY Flowers have been the symbol of VETERANS' DAY here in the U$A & Canada *RE:MEMBERANCE DAY*!

                                                  & how simple the WORLD SHIPMENTS gets TONS of the final Product! For how many CENTURIES ..how many news articles have you seen in past 50 years of ******TONS of HEROIN SEIZED*********?

                                                  HERO-IN <> the illicit use of the common people by the fraud Systems Ruling ha CIVILIZED reaSOCIETY...

                                                  ? Who and Why common people in or out of Uniform have been PLACED in *HARMS WAY*!

                                                  Expect the SYSTEM to do fix the problems it has created ? What a joke....the only thing the $y$tem does is

                                                  do things that benefit they're $umThing TOTAL$.

                                                  To those who are Serving and those who have Served...and the common people >prayers sent for seeing the TRUTH individually and collectively about the FORCE *Ruling $umThing*.

                                                  It all filters down to all *$umThing* of ha *In GOD WE TRU$T* Bill$ and Intere$t$ keeping the Choke Hold on everything upon the EARTH. Imagine all of these *$umThing$* floating in and out of """"WALL $TREET"""" 24/7.

                                                  Congratulations to the FORCE of the *$umThing$...the #$ on Paper is the only GOAL ..... LIFE means nothing to the FORCE of *$umThing*.

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                                                  Reply#14 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:26 AM EDT

                                                  Surprise!! Surprise!!

                                                  Stress, insanity, killing, body parts, blood, death...."normal"??

                                                  BRING THEM HOME AND GIVE THEM COUNSELING.

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                                                  Reply#15 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:39 AM EDT

                                                  BRING THEM HOME. Let those mindless barbarians continue to slaughter each other until that hell-hole implodes.

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                                                  Reply#16 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:46 AM EDT

                                                  And so it goes with every war. Stop it! Stop putting our most vibrant minds (and bodies) in these situations where their only chance for peace of mind is addictive substances.

                                                  If we're going to war with another country, culture, religion, et al, let's use every weapon in our arsenal to end it as quickly as possible. I'm tired of trying to preserve or improve everyone else's quality of life at the expense of ours. I'm certain most of these young men and women would rather be home sober with their parents, bf, gf, wife, husband, etc., than attempting to clean the toilets some call these Third World @!$%# holes.

                                                    Reply#17 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:49 AM EDT

                                                    You might be tired of the US gov't mafia meddling in other countries' affairs- even invadiing and killing over 100,000 breaking int'l laws as in Iraq- but those you vote for are just getting on a roll.

                                                      #17.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:09 PM EDT
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                                                      The military is in a quagmire in Afghanistan the country that mainlines it's heroine to the USA and any American citizen that thinks our troops aren't around the drug culture in Afghanistan is either blind or don't care, this is Afghanistan's main money maker it is their for the taking, wouldn't the Taliban like to take advantage of burnt out enemy soldiers, time for the US to get the hell out this is Vietnam all over again!

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                                                      Reply#18 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:52 AM EDT

                                                      but its not another "vietnam" right?...i mean to say that all the people who dug us into this hole are still making money with war profiteering, why would they ever want it to stop?...someday the history books will show how corrupt king george's rule actually was and the war crimes he committed us to

                                                      defacto= like the vietnam guerrilla war

                                                      dejure= this is nothing like vietnam

                                                      this isnt "war", it is simple capitalism gone wild....

                                                      when has the united states declared "war" like the founding fathers wrote?....not since ww2....the military industrial complex has simply bought off the united states government and is working their industry to make money

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                                                      #18.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:10 AM EDT
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                                                      like every war before. do you think a sober sane man/women can wake up every day and face death + dis memberment? they're fighting another senseless war started by policy-tions that sit home on the beltway. may God help them deal with the realities of war however they must. Amen....

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                                                      Reply#19 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:53 AM EDT

                                                      Your second sentence can be answered by asking: why join an undermanned corporate-gov't controlled military? If you had a draft, you would have the 1 million ground soldiers necessary to take Afghanistan- but you don't even have 130,000. Fail.

                                                        #19.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:23 PM EDT
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                                                        Drugs never used to be controlled at all. People could go to the local druggist and buy whatever they wanted; cocaine, morphine, whatever. Now, there were certain people, including some famous writers and artists, who became addicted to certain drugs but it was not a pervasive problem of society. The more restrictions we put on drugs, the more of a problem drug use became. The "war on drugs" not only created a huge, violent crime syndicate to illegally provide drugs, it actually CAUSED addiction. Prohibition has never worked and never will. We need to start treating drug addiction as a medical problem, not a legal one. As far as the soldiers go, allowing them an escape from their horrible reality during down time is not the worst thing in the world, is it?

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                                                        Reply#20 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:01 AM EDT

                                                        Most often, drug use is with non-combat troops and you can well imagine the imprisonment they feel contained to a base with limited contact of indigenous Afghans. The country will never be a state where Afghans feel pride in themselves as a whole, but rather will always be loyal only to their tribes and illiterate due to their religion and culture. This is a proxy war with Pakistan also.

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                                                        Reply#21 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:05 AM EDT

                                                        Mr.President as a supporter ,I want you to give the order "Bring Our Heros Home NOW".The Hell with the Politics of this mess, Our Troops have Done all and more than was ask of them.

                                                          Reply#22 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:05 AM EDT

                                                          Americans and their uniformed thugs are heroes bs.

                                                            #22.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:05 PM EDT
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                                                            To Simpson. My father was also a WWII veteran and I honored him. HOWEVER-WW II vets were not that educated UNTIL they came home to the very generous GI bill of the time. Many of the vets were fresh out of the Depression which made it kind of hard to get that wonderful education to which you elude. Many dropped out of school to serve. WWII veterans had more deferments than any other war-in other words they had many ways to avoid the war. Also the average infantryman in WWII spent very little time on the frontline compared to the Vietnam veteran. Also the average WWII soldier was drafted compared to the overall Vietnam veteran who volunteered (I was one of those). There are many myths associated with both Vietnam and WWII veterans mostly because one war was "popular" and one was not. One of the posters mentioned how news of the WWII front was highly censored-which it was for obvious reasons. The Vietnam war was not and the result showed in the morale and anti-war sentiment back home. What people do not realize about Vietnam is that the newsmedia reporting on the war were almost entirely those from the left leaning colleges of the time and the resulting news therefore was extremely slanted towards the negative. Although the Vietnam war was an unnecessary war we contrary to the normal belief did not lose-we pulled out due to the desire of the anti-war people back home. Vietnam did create one heck of alot of drug users however. My unit did not tolerate drug use and that is why we were really good at our jobs. Getting back to the AFGAN issue-the soldiers will succumb at times to drug use because they grow poppies there and it is inevitable. However drug use will mostly be tied to those soldiers not on the line because any real combat soldier will not tolerate letting a fellow soldier risk the lives of others. I am not condoning the use as I abhore it but those in the rear get bored easily and the drugs are plentiful.

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                                                            Reply#23 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:06 AM EDT

                                                            That is fact! Soldiers will tolerate the reality that every once in a while - we all need some down time. But once it gets over a certian limit - become too frequent... no one will trust him any more. He needs to straighten up or get transfered to some place which will accept that kind of behavior.

                                                            Sad truth. We, as a speciies look for ways to get high - but as any study of nature (human or animal) the pack will not tolerate a member who doesn't pull his own weight.

                                                            Most backwards tribal societies allow drugs, drunkness, celebrations only in controlled situations. If/when a member of the tribe does that to excess he is banned, shunned or killed. Only religious leaders, shaman, priests, oracles are allowed to bend the rules.... but then - they are not depended on to do any real work every day.

                                                              #23.1 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:41 AM EDT
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                                                              Can Obama and Congress be any dumber? The warning signs have been there for a while. Get the troops out now. Too many tours of duty, a misguided attempt at liberating a Country like Afghanistan has caused these men and woman to turn to drugs to help their mental state.

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                                                              Reply#24 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:06 AM EDT

                                                              No surprise considering OUR troops have been abused in so many ways there, having been ordered to protect those poppy fields, as well as fighting an illegal war for oil...

                                                              Google Soldiers Guard Afghani Poppy Fields

                                                              Google Military Knows Mossad Did 9/11

                                                              Google Soldier Remains Landfill

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                                                              Reply#25 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:11 AM EDT

                                                              Just what is a llegal war?

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                                                              #25.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

                                                              Hello RRR, you are absolutely correct, there are also you tube videos showing soldiers carrying fertilizer for the poppy fields. Heroin is a billion dollar business and anyone who doesn't think that the U.S. and Britain don't control the drug trade are uninformed or in denial.

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                                                              #25.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                                                              texasbob

                                                              Illegal wars in regards to America are wars created by the CIA, aka pretty much every war since WWII...

                                                              Google False Flag Operation

                                                              Google Military Knows Mossad Did 9/11

                                                              Google Bush Family Nazi Ties

                                                              Watch these documentaries and do your research and become more aware of what's happening in the real world...

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                                                              #25.3 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

                                                              TrustVerify Thank you, and keep spreading the Truth..!

                                                              On FaceBook, find occupyMARINES as well as Law Enforcement is the 99% and follow their posts...

                                                              Many other great groups on FaceBook as well...search their friends...research the facts...

                                                              It's more than just drugs...OUR problems are multi-faceted...follow the money trail...

                                                              Wake up America..!

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                                                              #25.4 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:25 AM EDT

                                                              The conspiracies were lies made by the enemies of America to control the weak minded.

                                                                #25.5 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:41 AM EDT

                                                                Which ones are those, then?

                                                                Have you even watched any of the videos?

                                                                Explain why these two Secret Servant Agents were called off their Duty Station just prior to JFK's limo turning the corner on to his fate...on YouTube: JFK Secret Service Called Off - Proof of ConsPiracy

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                                                                #25.6 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

                                                                ~Secret Service~

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                                                                #25.7 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                                                                Ever 'participated' in combat? If not, you're entitled to opinion. Again, unqualified to sit in judgement.

                                                                  #25.8 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

                                                                  Holy @!$%#, RRR.

                                                                  I had never seen that before.

                                                                  Holy @!$%#.

                                                                    #25.9 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:23 PM EDT
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                                                                    Bring the troops home! There is absolutely no reason for them to be there in the first place. As a mother of two sons, I will say and do anything to keep them from going into the military. Everyday there is another story that is full of shame and dispicible things that happen both to male and females that show the military leaders just don't care. The troops are just a number anymore.

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                                                                    Reply#26 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:11 AM EDT
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