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Archbishop of York John Sentamu stands next to Britain's Queen Elizabeth II as she leaves the Royal Maundy Service at York Minster in York, northern England, on April 5. During the Royal Maundy Service the queen distributed the Maundy money to 86 women and 86 men -- one for each of the queen's 86 years.
The church of England's only black bishop, tipped to become the new leader of the 80-million strong worldwide Anglican Communion, is the victim of blatant racism, a former aide told a British newspaper.
"At its best, the besmirching of (Archbishop of York) John Sentamu has revealed that strand of snobbery which views outsiders as lacking class, diplomacy or civility — in other words 'not one of us,'" Rev Arun Arora told The Sunday Telegraph newspaper. "At worst, it has elicited the naked racism which still bubbles under the surface in our society, and which is exposed when a black man is in line to break the chains of history."
Outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, who has agonized about schisms in the Anglican Communion, a federation of 38 national and regional churches, is over women and gay bishops and same-sex unions, announced unexpectedly last month that he would step down at the end of the year.
He presided over a church split between progressives ready to allow women bishops and bless same-sex unions, and conservatives opposed to such modern reforms.
Rowan Williams quits: could Anglican church have its first black spiritual leader?
The resignation of Willliams, a white-bearded and bushy-browed theologian, appeared to spell the end for his faltering project to forge more unity in the federation.
Arora's charges of an "anonymous whispering" campaign against Uganda-born Archbishop of York John Sentamu came as an anonymous bishop compared Sentamu's temperament to that of an "African chief," according to the Telegraph.
Sentamu was born in Uganda and fled to Britain in 1974 to escape from dictator Idi Amin.
A second unnamed bishop told the newspaper:
"I think Sentamu is clearly going to be a very strong front-runner, although I think there are also the people who are not quite sure that he is suitable in terms of the way he behaves, because he is quite tribal and the African chief thing comes through ... There is something in Sentamu which retains his African views and approach, which can be at one time an asset and another time can be a problem."
When he announced his decision to step down, Williams said it was time to move on after a decade as archbishop and a his new post as master of Magdelene College at Cambridge University would give him the time "which I have longed for" to think and write about the Church.
"I would hope that my successor has the constitution of an ox and the skin of a rhinoceros," he said at the time.
Sentamu has praised Williams as "God's apostle for our time," a courageous and holy man who had been "much maligned by people who should have known better."
Elizabeth Hunter, director of the London-based religious think tank Theos, described Sentamu as more conservative than Williams. But she did not see him making a sharp break in the Church or the Communion.
"Anyone who gets this post will not take a radical diversion from the path that Archbishop Rowan has been treading simply because there really isn't any other choice," she told Reuters.
Other possible contenders to replace Williams reportedly include: Richard Chartres, the Bishop of London who gave the address at the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton last year; Bishop of Bradford Nick Baines, known as the ''blogging'' bishop, in recognition of his enthusiasm for new media; and Tim Stevens, the Bishop of Leicester.
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The race card has been deployed - what a surprise!
Welll you said it....now put your head back in the sand and convince yourself racism doesn't exist!
Racism is the set of circumstances surrounding situations where minorities don't get what they want. But only Anglicans are competent to comment about this. That is to say, their comments are the ones that make sense.
tom343: What are you saying that racism was not invented by some white people? Or are you in denial on purpose or when it is ok to claim lunacy?
If you look for racism (or sexism or whateverism) you will find it, whether it's there or not.
Leave it to MSNBC to come up with this nonsense. First the Treycon Martin fiasco ,now we are racists becasue of a Black Bishop What is next with this news outlet? I think MSNBC is racist for assuming everyone else is
Jimmy, MSNBC didn't invent these stories, only reported them.
The only thing this proves is that man made religion is/has become irrelevant world wide not just in the U.S..
We are all "tribal" and distrust other tribes and that makes us all racists until such time as all races are blended into one and then we will find other ways to bully people not of our "thinking" or "ways". And so it Goes and ever shall.
of course race is a issue, anyone who believes it is not, must live in a cave; it exists among all the races of man, India has a caste system, Africa has a ongoing battle between different tribes, Muslims are divided between two major camps, Japanese have a strong caste system, Europe between the Gypsy's and others, America among blacks, whites, Hispanics; to make believe it does not exist is foolish; the answer is simple, judge a person by his actions and deeds not by his race .
Race card??!! How about crimes in the name of religion!!
Sure, the religious right is racist! We all know that. This guy must know it too, but he stands beside it.
When you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
But if you ain't religious, watch out for the crusades!! They'll kill you because you aren't a believer...
Either way you look at it, this guy is suffering just like anybody else who ain't Christian.
Ignorance is bliss and half the world suffers from ignorance regarding the church..
I don't give a damn.. If he wants to be part of the church, GET USED TO IT. WE ALL DO AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU ARE.
There's no racism in America, according to the MUSLIM REPUBLICANS!
It doesn't exist anymore! Nope. It never did.
And its true, according to our Republican Koran! Get down and pray to Mecca, my fellow Republicans of Islam! If you don't, a commie Democrat might make your religion not the rule of law! Stop eating your shellfish, too, if you really do want to practice your religiou of Abraham instead of spew words!
Muslim Romney over the Commies in 2012! The Koran for US law!
Unfortunately, most people don't listen to logic and common sense anywhere in the world but I'm glad at least some do.
Hopefully sometime in the future more people will think like you.
Hawk @1.3
What are you saying? That racism was invented by some white people? Or am I misreading you?
LOL
Somebody give Derek his meds!
XD
This is similar to what Huckabee said about Obama's African colonial mau-mau world view. Thank goodness the Bishop didn't counter by observing the European's neanderthal propensity to engage in wars and mass killings.
To say racism doesn't exist just look at our President Of the United States and what they are saying about him.
-- He is not one of us
-- He does not understand America
-- Tar Baby
-- You Lie
-- Where is your birth Certificate
-- The birth certificate you presented is not real
-- He has a Kenyan way about him
-- He is the biggest food stamp President in History
-- He has failed
-- We will defeat him
-- He pals around with terroist
--He is Muslim
-- He does not respect the constitution
Also you know its racism when every little word that comes out the Presidents mouth want to be turned as to say he hates white people or wants to do something to them. Which is a flat out lie.
So, Solutions, looking at your post you seem to be saying that simply disagreeing with the POTUS makes a person racist. Well over half of the criticism you posted has nothing to do with race, except possibly in your mind. For instance, according to you, it is now racist to say that Obama has failed. The only racism there is in your mind. Oh and please, show me one shred of proof that anyone anywhere has put out a story about how Obama hates white people. Yeah, that's what I thought. Go make some stuff up somewhere else. The bottom line is that people can disagree without it being about race. Well, let me rephrase that, some of us can. I can't speak for you. Maybe you can, maybe you can't, but your arguments tend to convince me it's always about race for you. So who does that show to be a racist?
Dave, quit your fear and hate mongering. And if you're going to blabber like the village idiot, at least have some substance in your rants.
YetAnotherRick: NBC only reports the news?
I guess a US Citizens memory retention is only capable of a couple of weeks time. I'm pretty sure MSNBC likes to make up the news as much as they "report" the news.
Solutions539: Over the past couple of presidencies and with the increasing use of the internet, open condemnation of the president is increasing. It's not because Obama is white-black, so much as it is that the internet allows for greater and greater forms of anonymous criticism.
There were even people who called Clinton black and Bush a Mexican mole. No matter who is president, you will have crazies spouting nonsense.
It appears there are other contestants. Perhaps the claim of racism is unfounded. That charge has become a hammer to attempt to pound the opposition into submission.
But this is hilariously nonsensical and demonstrates my point:
Doesn't that depend on who is "us"
He doesn't, but no one on the left does apparently. They have become a party of radicals.
He does. All one has to do is look. As it turns out Joe Wilson was spot on in his assessment.
This is what the left does with this issue. They use it to shout down the opposition. Facts do not come into play
No place is a segregated as a church on Sunday. Whether by race or nationality.
Jim you are really wrong on that point. The people calling the President a Muslim are NOT doing so because they disagree with him or his policies. When you add a descriptor like "I do not like him because he is a Muslim" you are promoting racism/bigotry. You do not like him because he is a Muslim, or because he is black.
If you say "I do not like him because of his policies" or even "socialist policies" you are not being a racist because you are claiming that his ideology is at fault not who he is.
Everything that Solutions quoted are racist comments except for 4, 8, 9, 10, and 14. Everything else claims that he is not fit to be President because of some fake conspiracy created by the Right because of his circumstances, that is a definition of racism. The other comments listed above are just people being asses instead of stating what he can do to appeal to them; in reality he can't do that because those people just do not like him and refuse to work with him.
I'm sorry Geo, but you have it wrong. The Left sees racism in everything and cannot shut up about it. To them, everything that doesn't go their way is because of racism. I don't deny that racism exists, but there is just as much racism these days leveled at whites as there is any other color. Most won't believe that, but the scales are at least equal. As a matter of fact, a middle-aged white guy is the only person it is politically correct to make fun of anymore. Spare me. Most people that oppose Obama do so because of a disagreement in policy and not because of his race. Some might, but the fact that over 95 percent of black people voted for Obama means that there is racism there as well. You can't get 95 percent of Americans to agree on virtually anything, except race. So it mostly balances out. Racism is not the cataclysmic problem it was in the past. It is only portrayed that way by a select few like NBC, Sharpton, Jackson, and our POTUS, for money. Frankly, I hope they choke on the gobs of money stupid people pay them to feel "not racist". You want racism? Ask why Obama was part of setting up the group: African Americans for Obama. That's not racist?
Jim so you are saying that it is racist for Obama to appeal to those he has more cultural identification with? Does that mean that McCain was racist for trying to get the White vote?
For your other point about the group, if it said All African Americans for Obama then it would be racist. As it is the group is just a group for Blacks that want to vote for Obama, it is not claiming that every African American in the USA is going to vote for him. If McCain created a group called POW's for McCain would you be making these same claims against him?
You are right though, in most states racism is not too much of a major issue anymore; it does, however, lurk in those areas. There are many situations where racism and sexism are still large issues. Black's are still twice as likely to get arrested then White committing the same offenses. That is based off a stereotype that has been fomented for decades. There are still some schools in the deep south that segregate. However racism against Arabs is a huge problem these days. Some say it is justified, I call BS on them because they are just using their fears to justify stalking people via the Government.
The point I am trying to make is that many people attack the President based on several fake issues. The birth certificate, the Muslim comments from Idaho, attacks on the validity of his faith. These are not because of his policy, these are perpetuated because of how people perceive him. Calling him a Marxist or a Socialist are the kinds of comments made that are about his policies, the other state above are attacks on him personally and are bigotry or racism or other style of defamatory comments.
They were and are not only restricted to a small portion of the GOP either. Early this year nearly every R politician and most RW pundits were a buzz claiming that the Pres. birth certificate was fake, that he was not an American. There have been many RWNJ here on Newsvine calling him a Muslim or a Muslim appeaser just because he does not want to blast them and their countries into glass parking lots.
It is hard to separate what is and what is not racism when talking about the President because so much of what the haters say can be interpreted either way. Some think that calling the President a Muslim is not a racist attack when it is while others think calling him a socialist is as well when it is not. Fact of the matter is that very few Presidents have ever faced the amount of disrespect that Obama has received from both the public and from other politicians. While many in the public bashed Bush Washington was still able to function. Back when Regan was around there were pretty fierce debates going on but at the end of the day crap got done because compromises could be reached.
In Obama's day none of that is happening and many of the opposition party claim their only goal is to destroy his Presidency. Name one President that faced those exact comments from their opposition. I cannot think of any except possibly Bush.
US politics is devolving into a crappy daytime TV drama; we need to bring back the adults that know how they should react to each other, that know how to compromise, that know what they need to do to get the job done instead of clinging to petty ideologies or sacred cows like Social Security and Defense spending. The people that, at the end of the day, can reach an agreement no matter how savage the in-fighting becomes.
If you listen to the Democratic party and OUR news media, America is one of the racists countries in the world. Many of those who come from other countries to come here say that America is one of the least racists countries.
Regardless of the facts in the Martin case, the news media, and the African American "anit-racism" leadership are calling Zimmerman a racist.
The news media doesn't mind racism. It sells papers and gains hits on the internet.
The "anti-racism" leadership doesn't mind either. As long as racism exists, they get a high profile, and profit nicely.
When people stop benefiting from racism, then it will stop.
Funny, I didn't get that impression at all.
It's one thing to disagree with the President of the United States.
It's quite another to claim that his Presidency has no legitimacy because of his parentage or that based on his looks he must have been born in another country and therefore must prove (again and again and again) where he was born and to whom.
It's one thing to disagree with a man.
It's quite another to claim that the man belongs to a religion he does not ascribe to in order to disparage both the religion and the man, or to say that the man helped plan and carry out terrorist acts when in reality, the man was only 3 years old at the time the act was committed.
I find it hard to believe that the whole birtherism/Muslim/terrorist thing comes from anything EXCEPT pandering to bigotry, and do not believe such strategies would have been attempted, much less be so spectacularly successful, if the target were 'white'.
I don't really understand the comment about the 'tar baby' though. As offensive as the term might be, a 'tar baby' is not a person; it is something that a person becomes entangled with and cannot subsequently disassociate from. Like the Massachussetts health care law for Mitt Romney; it sticks to him, it's messy, and he can't get rid of it.
The "benefit" for most 'racists' is a sense of superiority and a feeling of self-worth tied to something that need not be earned because it is already intrinsic to the 'racist'.
Good luck with ending that benefit.
Losers cling to it rather than take reponsibility for their own lives, and power-hungry haters exploit such feelings in order to gather followers.
Because you KNOW what those tribal chiefs are like. They're all the SAME.
I think Ace Ventura made a very realistic travelogue about that for any of you who are confused as to exactly what was meant by the whole 'tribal chief' reference.
The real issue is that the African Episcopal church is far more conservative than the European and Americans groups. They put up a big fuss over gay marriage, gay ordination, and other European/North American politically correct initiatives.
It is so funny how some of the most liberal Christians on the planet will not allow an African to lead them. They love to judge others!
It's racist if he gets it. It's racist if he don't get it. Same ol story. Never satisfied.
Yes Geo, trying to appeal to black people because they are black is racist, any way you slice it. The easiest way to confirm that is to imagine if Romney did the same thing. You think Caucasions for Romney would be a good idea? No, of course not, because to the Left it's only racist if white people do it.
I'm sure Jesus would be quite pleased with their behavior.
They may not get into heaven, but they certainly qualify for U.S. public office, on all counts.
One should hope that race is not an issue. His rigid conservatism is a REAL issue, and this has little to do with race. Why doesn't he support marriage equality? Why not women bishops? Why has he warned against "agressive atheism?" Why is he cautious of "multiculturalism?" Now, a conservative Prime Minister David Cameron is being pressured to choose a conservative to succeed Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams. Terrifying.
Conservatism and intolerance is the real issue. Anglicanism in the current day is mainly a black religion. Where missionaries go, conservatism follows. We know that is the case in Africa, and among many black Anglicans. Intolerance and conservatism is it, period. I do wish blacks would stop screaming about racism. Too often it is their attitudes, not race, that play into it. Just see it for what it is. Please retire the card nobody leaves home without. Join the rest of the human race. Stop enjoying the victim status. Enough.
Really, does anyone care? The Church of England in the 21st century is an irrelevant anachronism. As are all churches, actually. They should just be ignored while they wither away.
When you start to wither away, you'll be beating at some church's door. And regarding this position, it's the hat! Great hat!
Thankfully you will wither away long before churches are taken up.
Churches are withering away. To deny it is to live with your head in the sand. American evangelicals have turned off large portions of young people to their rigid "our way or no way" attitude. They are turning away in droves. They rightfully believe that Christ taught us to treat everyone fairly, that Christ taught us that we are to serve others and not ourselves. The young get it, the older ones, not so much. Yes, churches are withering away except for the large southern money temples which serve no GOD but the gods of self and money.
And what about mosques, Amused? How do you feel about them?
Just look at the world today. God must really be an @!$%#. Allah is a prick too.
God set out His laws and rules of morals and conduct. It's only MAN himself - through his pride and desire to be his own god and savior - that causes all the injustices and crap in the world.
Are you that blinded by your own arrogance and naivete?
@gimmeabreak
Don't bother trying. They don't want to understand, so they never will. It's often easy to tell the honest and humane atheist from the ones that just like to spout the hate they complain so much about.
Jesus is going to be coming back real soon. When all the Christians on earth disappear, the Athiests can do whatever they want. I hope the Athiests will like their new world leader.
Matthew 7: 21-23
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
According to the Bible there is an awful lot of so-called "Christians" that Jesus will say he never knew. You might want to take a second look at the way you behave towards others and think about whether you're really following Christ's example. According to the Bible Jesus was loving to almost everyone.
During his ministry, he was jobless and homeless and usually stayed with generous people in the towns he visited. He offered free healthcare to many people. He dined with tax collectors and prostitutes. In fact, the only people he really showed any disdain for were hypocritical religious people, greedy people, and politicians.
Ouch! But true!.
Oh My God:.....Not another down trodden Black story again!.....
I remember Oprah talking how she is discriminated against.....Probably the wealthiest woman in America, and even she uses the "race" card.......Get a @!$%#ing life already.
rom, you may be black, wealthy, well educated and still face racism. I'm sure our President is quite clear on this issue based on the myopic right wing drivel he has had to contend with, and same would most likely apply to the Bishop cited in the story. Just look at some of the comments on this thread starting with yours...
Oprah became rich and famous because of all the black people. Just look at her audience, There is not a white person even there....
Her audience is not black, that is your blindness. Oprah's audiences are overwhelmingly white and middle class, or at least what the right wing has left us for a middle class.
It's like clockwork. Every Sunday the Obama controlled media attacks Christianity.
didn't know Obama controlled Fox News.......Interesting.
Now how is this attacking Christianity? Rather it appears that Christianity, through its actions, is attacking itself.
In no way or form do i support religion!!!!But.....it is a private sector and if they dont want him in their "cult" then give him the boot.You cant force boys to be in the girl scouts or a cat to join a dogsledding team.What a crock!They DONT have to accept anything at all.
Wow "EdSmith".... You certainly seem to have lots of inside information about Obama's sinister network. He must control everything. Now he's attacking Christianity.
Silly me...and here I thought it was just some news coverage from England.
Thanks for opening my eyes.
I get soooo sick of hearing yet one more story of Christian Interference and bigotry. I mean come on now people!!! How long is it going to take people to get it? Religious wars all over the freaking planet while Judaisms bastard children fight for total control. These people who wear rich robes while people are starving in the streets right outside. They give money to politicians who support their excursionist agenda and hold rallies for them, despite the FACT that doing so violates their 501(c)3 requirements. The LAW??? "No, we follow a higher law", is what they say. Last week the Pope and his Bishops criticized nuns because they were spending to much time helping the poor and needy and not nearly enough time "fighting" same sex marriage and abortion. These three religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam have always been, are now, and always will be tools of government and power brokers that are used to control people. Strapping bombs to themselves, going into Norse childrens camps and slaughtering scores of people, molesting children, promoting slavery and on and on and ON. My God it was the Christian Church in Belgium, a Council of Bishops, who said the the enslavement of the African peoples is supported by Scripture!!! A year later this Edict was endorsed by the Pope and we had 400 years of slavery. THIS is Christianity. Why do we keep overlooking all this? READ the Bible. People are taught that being evil is NATURAL, that we cannot control ourselves. They teach us that this evil will be responsible for the end of the world. Then they teach us that the ROOT of evil is #1. Disobedience to God and the desire for knowledge. Now God loves his creations but if you disobey he (Notice its always a HE), will cast you into a lake of fire for eternity. My God!!! How many inner contradictions are in just that simple summation? The point is however that these people believe hatred and intolerance are natural human traits and unless you are their particular flavor of Christianity (or Islam), you are evil, work for the Devil (skinning beatnik in a red body suit) and must be destroyed. Listen to some of their songs: "Onward Christian Soldiers"? They don't solve problems, they go to WAR against them. Where do you think American GOT its warlike attitude?
I have never heard of a church donating money to politicians, you are just making that up. Church's don't sit by and watch poor people starve, they raise charity programs to help poor people. My church is raising money to give to people over in the poor parts of America.
Man, do you have YOUR head buried in the sand! Of course churchs look the other way - particularly one religion - I know, I used to work for them so don't tell me that churchs don't contribute (they do - just under the table) and they DO ignore poverty. The help they give is what will get them some newsworthy publicity. They are publicity hogs - try going by a church and asking them to buy your groceries for you and your family for a week - ha, you'll find out then where they come from!
Ouch again! But true again!
Random pennsylvanian: You're joking, right?
While living in Anchorage, the largest church in the state not only had many politicians attend their rituals, but it was used a political rally point. Churches are a huge political point for people to gather, just look at all the "reverends" turned politicians.
Also, that same church in Alaska one day around x-mas had homeless people sleeping near their GIANT( thousands of dollars to create and operate) light display to try and stay warm enough to survive the Alaskan winter night, but the church called the cops and booted them off their property.
Not all churches exist to help people.
Tag, I know a small church in western NY which doesn't have a lot of money, but if you ask them for a week's worth of groceries for your family - they'll probably give you enough for a month. Don't tar every church or individual with the same brush. As with people, they are all individual and unique.
My church has clothing drives, a food pantry that people line up to every week, and the list goes on. People saying that legitimate churches look the other way are full of it!
Its time get to over this nuisance about a black man not suitable for anything. Jesus healed the sick and the lame without prejudice. Jesus was not prejudice against a soul, whether they were white, black, asian whether we all his children without regard to color, creed etc.
But he did have problems with people who reveled and were complacent in their habits of sin.
Jesus forgave them, but also explicitly instructed them "to sin no more."
What Jesus did on earth 2,000 years ago is exactly what He'd do today. There is no concept of time to God - His Truths, Laws and Instructions endure all man-concepts of the ages and trends.
Ram THAT down your self-centered throats, you Democrats and amoral social groups needing government-sanctioned protections.
Actually, I think this more laughable than anything else. The very people that look at the U.S. and thumb their noses at our racial troubles and tell us how we should behave, can't understand their own playbook. LOL This a prime example why there are athiest and agnostics, we preach it but don't show it. I believe in God and was raised Christian but I don't don't see much difference in a Muslim and a Baptist. The Muslim will show you the Koran and behead you if you don't follow and the Baptist will show you the Bible on Sunday and stab you in the back on Monday. One big difference is you know where the Muslim is coming from but the Baptist is like a snake it only bites if you get too close or step on it. Snake, isn't that a symbol for something?
This country has come a long way and has a long way to go toward racial equality but it will get there if, we can get rid of the pot stirrers of all ethnicity's. I know many wonderful people of all races and creeds but I also know many sorry individuals, too. They also come in different flavors.
In the words of a very famous man "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do". God bless the Human Race!
Maybe Jesus wasn't prejudiced as people are today about blacks but THINK about it - blacks didn't act, look, talk, behave, then the way they do now! So, apparently, racism is ALL over where blacks live and behave - no matter the location their behavior always follows them. You can't be a religious leader in England when you act like an African priest, etc. - it doesn't work - that is HIS heritage not Englands! Things will never change until the entire black race changes - you want people to be positive about you and want you around then change your behavior by stopping the crimes you commit, dress, behave, talk, your loudness, your arrogance and thinking process that you are 'entitled' because you are NOT - you are entitled to what you have earned - nothing more. If you don't earn it, you don't get it! Duh - but blacks want it for free! This ain't welfare kiddo!
Your are such a bigot! The race problem exists because of people like you. you lump ALL Black people into one group. You've been watching FOX news too much. You don't know me or my family anf friends. We do NOT commit crimes and are college educated,many with postgraduate degrees. We live in upscale ethnically diverse communities and our children/grandchildren aspire to the same lifestyle. You really have a very negative view of anyone who is not white and You are really pathetic and ignorant. People like you perpetuate the racism that exists in this country. I hope you do NOT have children to teach this sad and dysfunctional view of race relations.
Where do you crawl in from? I love these people who generalize.
Racism cannot exist without stupidity. I would say ignorance, but since knowledge is readily available, that leaves only stupidity.
Sorry Akachip but Tag is more right than you think....I have black neighbors, college educated or professionals and they don't walk around with saggy pants and ghetto talk and they are friends as well as neighbors. They are just as disgusted with the "hood" as other intelligent educated people. They also feel it is harmful and damaging and they do not raise their children with the "hood" attitude. Their sons are respectful and dress nicely and do well in school. Their daughters do not dress or act like sluts. In other words, they are upright, decent people with a husband and wife who are taking care of their homes and living good lives. They want nothing to do with the "hood" either. And they don't like the inner city blacks at all either! They don't see us as white anymore than we see them as black. It's a matter of looking past the color of the skin, it is only skin and not what is inside. The measure of the man or woman has nothing to do with skin color but it is part of first impressions. Akachip, I seriously doubt you want your children embracing the inner city life either.. As you are college educated, you probably want that for your children too. Not hanging on a street corner dealing drugs. You care enough to teach them the values that are important to you as a HUMAN BEING, and does not have a lot to do with the color of your skin. The value of who you are lies within and if you insist that all black people are good and whites aren't, that makes you a racist....
It's amazing how many people love to scream victim and "how dare you" so much in any conversation nowadays (at work, on a web forum or in politics).
People are too damn worried about disecting every word (and verb tense, etc.) in a statement that they no longer know WHAT IS BEING SAID. Instead, it's all about WHO and WHY it was said.
We'd have fewer problems if people had backbones and simply read through the BS and got the gist of what is being harped about or screamed about. There's truth in it on some underlying level. Fix the source of the problem, not just provide 10 solutions to treat the symptoms (and do nothing to correct the causal cancer).
Tag,
Racism exists and came directly out of Christian Europe more than 1,000 years ago. In Italy there are many Italians with names like Levine (Jewish background ) who became Catholic under penalty of death. God Bless Crusaders.
Muslims from North Africa settled in Southern Spain, France, Italy, etc and same thing----Convert or die.
Slave trading was well established in Europe long before the colony of Roanoke was founded. Christian Europeans found exploitable people on the African Continent and took total advantage often justified by their own twisted religious beliefs.
Fast forward to today and in many European countries there are laws prohibiting those of other races from ever gaining citizenship despite being married to National Citizens and racially mixed children of these marriages are not recognized as citizens.
In the U.S. it is our history and so ingrained into our belief system that we no longer recognize any but the most blatant forms of racism. Sadly we also have the most laws on the books to combat this issue and sadder still there are some who would negate those laws by making rights such as voting more difficult for them. It is the perpetuators of such hate that we must first depose if equality for all (people of color, women, etc) is to be.
Tag - do you believe that Jesus was blond and blue-eyed like the "Good Shepherd" picture?
lexiword, do you Know history? Islam took over Spain for awhile in history. It's always been the goal of the middle East to conquer Europe and visa versa. And in Islamic countries it truly is convert or die. As for slaves in Europe before America, have you ever heard of serfs? They were basically white slaves. Rich Europeans were making slaves of poor Europeans (white) from their own country for centuries. They also sold them. Remember St Patrick's story? Africa didn't even figure in there, so Get Over It!
The person describing him as acting like an African tribal chief obviously never met an African tribal chief before. His knowledge of Africa probably derives from Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" and "feed the children" commercials, you know, same as Americans.
@ Baldman, I hate to say this but, "National Geographics" doesn't help the image, either.
unnamed sources = unreliable story = poor journalism.
ralph = head in sand = stupidity.
Baldman: Instead of talking about religion why don't you talk about the enbreeding that went on with all of the kings and queens of england? I think people need to know how some people could sleep with their mothers and fathers with daughters to keep the blood line pure. Oh i forgot that in england a practice like that is common so no big deal.
Nothing in the article supports the heading. About the only conclusion a fair minded person should make is that this guy is not the right fit. There is nothing in this article to support racism. This is terrible journalism and it exposes some very disturbing commentary....;>o
The above posts all talk to an issue that is part and parcel of society - of any society. It is called xenophobia, the fear of foreigners. Xenos: foreign. Phobos: fear. It is inate in every group to fear and distrust those who come from outside it. Even children, once they grow up to the point where they can differentiate between "family," or those they know and trust, and others (outsiders). Xenophobia is not innately wrong or evil. It is how it is applied, or what we do with - or because of - it that can be wrong. By virtue of his complection (spelling?), Bishop Sentamu is visibly difeent from us. That's all. He's also conservative; that means that he sees things that are worth conserving. Is that necessarily bad, in and of itself? Perhaps he wants to keep worship of God and of Christ as the function of the Anglican Communion. Is that bad? We have to be careful what we do with words, how we use them.
MSNBC needs to do an in depth article about DNA and where all our ancestors came from. They all came from Africa. Some just earlier than others. We are ALL African! Get over it!
SOooo, does that make us ALL African-American?
Paul, yes, provided some of us aren't African Canadian or African English or African Mexican or... Yes, we are all African Whatevers with brown or white or pink or black or whatever color skin we have;-)
Another case of putting a Black in a high position for no other reason than just being 'Black'. Must keep the ball of "Political Correctness" rolling you know.
Even the Church now is playing the Race Card. What a card to hold, it Trumps all others.
When the time comes to meet our Creator, the bigots will be surprised the Maker is not of the color or gender of their wishful thinking.
Love has neither color nor gender. Amen.
Darn you and your logic. But seriously, you are totally right.
Race? Race is an excuse ignorant, lazy people use to pigeon hole entire groups of people. It is the same with sex, religion, political views. We love to paint entire groups of people with a broad brush. One person, of color, or a particular religion, or sex, does something and we label the entire group for the act of an individual. Smart people understand the acts of an individual don't in any way indicate how others of the same race, sex, political affiliation, or religion will behave.
We are, first of all, human, everything else is secondary, respect or condemn individuals based on their behavior. That is the solution to much of the divisiveness we endure today. Of course, that means we have to stop being lazy in our thinking, we have to stop using the crutches that let us align with, or malign entire groups of people for the actions of one, or a few from any given category.
Opinions formed through the thoughtful consideration of the deeds or words of an individual are what allows us to progress as a species. Painting entire groups with a broad brush is a hold over from more primitive times, when we possessed less understanding and were less educated. Someday we must leave this despicable practice behind.
It is quite a leap from the quote of the "un-named bishop" to a charge of racism. Saying that a man from Africa occasionally has an African temperament is like saying that a man from Germany sometimes has a German temperament. While perhaps not charitable, it might be accurate, and is not a reflection of racism as much as it is of regional bias. However, certain segments of modern society are spring-loaded to find racism where little exists.
oh yeah, id like to see the sh*t that would fly if prince harry got engaged to a black girl!! then you wouldnt bother with your race card b.s., youd go straight to freaking out. i'll admit im racist against blacks on a personal level. ive had some very good black friends, but i wouldnt date a black girl or go to a tyler perry movie and i cant stand jayz or beyonce (and yet i find oriental chicks sexy). but, knowing that, i can see whats going on with obama or treyvon or the way cops hassle blacks (of course theres always a good explanation for all this). anyone who denies that racism isnt constantly present is kidding themselves. i was young and single and in the air force years ago. youd go to the officers club after work and just hang around as the other junior officers came in. i ended up at a table with about 3 blacks and 3 whites inclluding myself- i knew all these guys and gals and theyre all college grads and officers, not rappers. after a while, people are coming and going, and i notice that im the only white at a table with 6 blacks. i start to feel a wierd paranoid feeling!! that was a real epiphany for me. i can only imagine what it would be like to routinely be in the minority. if nothing bad had ever been done to blacks by whites youd still have to excuse some paranoia on their part. but when blacks have been lynched, dogged, profiled, not hired, sneered at, sentenced longer, denied loans, houses, etc etc. its amazing how they carry on the way they do. i can only imagine the @!$%# oprah has been through, or even jayz. i guess i should cut snoop dogg some slack. they go to a church of a white mans religion with boundless enthusiasm and create amazing gospel music. they fight and die in war for a country that tries to keep them from voting. they listen to hannity demand obama repudiate his pastor- a veteran- for stating the obvious in his church- that black people havent been treated all that well. its a little scary contemplating whites becoming a minority in the near future, but i know its probably best for all of us if a clown like santorum or gingrich is never listened to seriously again. i just hope hispanics dont like fox news.
The Anglican church is already far beyond mattering in any substantive way and questions about the person serving as its titular head amount to a hill of beans. This church's institutional irrelevance should fade from history quickly as it catches up with its indisputable moral and doctrinal irrelevance.
Isn't it a bit ironic (NOT!) that those whom profess to be SO Chirstian are, in fact, NOT? And furthermore, don't even understand the meaning nor the concept of the word? And God forbid they understand the meaning of the word HYPOCRITE?
When you spell it right, I'll know it.