The Extreme Islamic forces that rule Iran will get a bomb if they can and I think that it would be just a matter of time before they used it on our Israel ally.

I thought Saddam Heusane was a horrible person, but he was very predictable and rational in order to maintain his own power. That was why I was against attacking them from the get-go.

Iran is very much the same. They are an oppressive regime, spew nasty rhetoric, but are ultimately rational with regards to keeping their power. This is because the populace is pretty unsupporting of the regime. A war with the US and/or Israel which they initiate would end their power.

I'm glad the Israeli military understands this.

Nevertheless, if I had to describe the leadership of Iran, "very rational" is not a phrase it would ever occur to me to use.

I don't trust Israel any more than I trust Iran. For that matter, I don't trust the US on this one either. Bombing Iran, for whatever reason, short of an attack by them, is an act of war. Doing so would give Iran a good excuse to use the bomb. You cannot take this out of the context that Iran can, and maybe will, get the bomb anyway. To incite Iran to violence with an 'unprovoked attack' (at least in their estimation), would be the dumbest act in human history. We have sufficient bravado to talk our way into thinking we can win this, but reality suggests to me that we would be biting off a lot more than we could chew.

It seems that using the words Islamic fundamentalism and rational people (or leadership) in the same sentence to describe Iran is a direct contradiction in terms! Maybe someone should tell the general that.

Here is a quick translation: Those bastards are crazy, but not that crazy.

Don, you are right there is no easy answer but what can we do that is not being done now, why would Iran bomb Israel? That would be extremely stupid and suicidal of them and I don't think that the average Iranian wants that and they all would be doomed. I am not sure if they are going to build a bomb or not but I think it would be more for status and prestige (like France, Britain, USA, Pakistan, China, India, Soviet Union, Israel and the list will be growing). You don't think any of these countries is going to be firing nuke's anytime soon...in years to come who know's but not today. Iran is not as crazy as you think, they are not going to nuke anyone.

This general's comment is a rare voice of reason in a war frenzied Israel.

Nevertheless, if I had to describe the leadership of Iran, "very rational" is not a phrase it would ever occur to me to use.

The US government is trillions of dollars in debt. I wouldn't use "very rational" to describe it either.

'Gantz said international pressure on Iran "is beginning to bear fruit, both on the diplomatic level and on the economic sanctions level"...............Netanyahu said on CNN the sanctions were "certainly taking a bite out of the Iranian economy but so far they haven't rolled back the Iranian program or even stopped it by one iota".'

Interesting that we're getting two entirely opposing views expressed. I wonder if the General is going to lose his job? It certainly makes a strike by Israel more problematic right now, which makes sanctions less useful. I think the General just 'stepped in it'.

Ah, Mr. Wilson, who shall we believe - the politician or the soldier who has to fight his wars? I seem to remember the same question a few years ago, when Dick Cheney was all gung ho to invade Iraq and Colin Powell was trying to slow it down. Unfortunately, too many people prefer to follow the guy who held our coat over those of us who actually fought.

Israel has six months in which they can decide to whack them. If Israel wishes to survive then they must attack Iran.

May God bless Israel and aid them in the fight against the enemy.

@imj

Iran must arm herself with nuclear weapons to deter any attack from the zionist rogue state.

May Allah bless Iran and aid them in the fight against the enemy.

Ash Plissken you said that the government of Iran cannot be Islamic fundamentalist and rational at the same time. Here is food for thought: Iran is run by Shia clerics. The supreme leader is ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa stating that possessing nuclear weapons goes against Islam. He is the top cleric and thus he is carefully watched by believers. He cannot declare something un-Islamic, and later turn around and declare the same thing Islamic. Thus the supreme religious leader of Iran declared specifically that possession of nukes is against Islam, but Western media will never cover such news. Israel wants you to believe that Iran is a threat to the world when in reality Israel is the greatest destabilizing factor in the Middle East. You say Iranian clerics are irrational? Get back to me when leaders of Israel declare that possession of nuclear weapons goes against morals of Judaism and get rid of their nukes. But instead Israeli leadership says that Israel has a right to defend herself and refuse to sign the NPT (which Iran signed). I guess Israeli leaders have a lot to learn from Iranian fundamentalist clerics who have enough courage to reject nuclear weapons for ethical reasons in spite of the fact that nukes would have made Iran more secure.

Don Harris yeah, they will use it and then no more Iran, you obviously didn't understand what the Israeli general said.

Ed-NavDoc easy to explain, Bush/Cheney admin was Christian fundamentalist (anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-war, praise The Lord, etc) however, when Russia's army crossed the border with Georgia (our ally) they didn't pick a war with Russia, that shows that you can be fundamentalist and rational at the same time.

@imj... kind of ironic, a God of peace and love and everyone fights wars for him

If he believes that Iran's rational government will not make nuclear bombs, then he is not being rational. It's wishful thinking at best. I applaud the positive attitude, but that is not being realistic.

@Henrich von Dorf

The God that answers by fire let him be God.

@dave.. A God of Peace, Love and Judgment.

All who seek the destruction of Israel should prepare themselves for Judgment.

@imj... israel the country that didnt exist a century ago? with everything in the bible being a parable, why would israel not be something symbolic for something else?

RalphH said it Right....Netanyahu...loves his wars, especially when he can get the US to fight them...

Israeli leadership has been telling consistent lies about Iran and its nuclear program for a long time. This is obvious that it fears that any other Middle Eastern country possessing the nuclear weapons would result in a big deterrence against the Israel's bullying of its neighbors. It would change the strategic calculations in a region where the balance of power is currently heavily tilted in its favor.

And I agree with Softdude on..

To incite Iran to violence with an 'unprovoked attack' (at least in their estimation), would be the dumbest act in human history. We have sufficient bravado to talk our way into thinking we can win this, but reality suggests to me that we would be biting off a lot more than we could chew.

Well... "the Jews" (which includes me) havent used one yet. Which is more than i can say about the country i live in (USA).

So hopefully as long as its neighbors dont attack it, the weapons will remain in a "not used" state.

Bob, its very easy to keep Israel from using them - Dont attack it or promise to attack it! Easy enough right? Israel has been fighting for its existence since before 48, and is not about to start taking chances now. As for Iran, suck it up with your POS ideology and allow in inspectors if your nuclear program is, in fact, for peaceful purposes - cant blame the world for jumping to conclusions when you keep projecting that you're developing nukes.

As long as Israel has nukes and continues to threaten its neighbors, Iran has very good reason to have nukes.

And unlike Iran, Israel actually has invaded and occupied its neighbors.

As long as a country possesses a weapon, there is a liklihood that it will use it. To think otherwise is to project your own rationale over that of the country with the weapons. We used that argument against Sadaam Hussein and it applies just as well to Israel. The idea that you can have one rationale for your enemies and another for your friends is both morally and logically bankrupt.

And I wish people would stop the inappropriate use of "existential." It is only an existential threat if it is so dire that it has caused Israel to lose all hope and fall into deep despair. Considering the current Israeli threats to bomb Iran, it doesn't look sp mych like despair as schoolyard bullying or sissy petulance. Otherwise, it is just paranoia.

skrekk, Who has Israel threatened without being threatened first and what country has Israel invaded that wasnt used as either a staging ground for terrorist attacks, planned to invade Israel or otherwise encouraged weapons smuggling to terrorists?

Do you think Israel likes going to war for fun? They value life and the lives of its soldiers and will only risk war if it is absolutely necessary. Unlike Arab leaders that will gladly sacrifice their own people for nationalistic, political or religious gains or worse as a principle, Israel hates putting their soldiers in harms way, but sometimes its necessary for the survival of the country.

If you dont understand the "existential" argument then you clearly dont get the context - Israel has a long and painful history of its enemies attacking it with the aim of DESTROYING it and ending its existence, thus the country has a policy to prevent that from happening. Additionally, Jewish people have a long history of the same, so I wouldnt go as far as calling it "paranoid". It is what it is - if you want to threaten the existence of the only Jewish country in the world and the only place where Jews are guaranteed safety, history has taught the Jewish people to take threats very seriously.

dude please, I'm sure I could find any quote out there to support any position, no matter how ridiculous it might be. Its the internet, remember? Unfortunately, trolling for quotes to support your already established stance does not a scholar make =(

Al718-

Lets not forget the Israelis threatened to launch a nuke strike against the Southern USSR in '72 if Egypt didn't call off its attack and Israel attacked the USS Liberty during the '67 war when the Liberty was in a position to report that Israel was on a massive land grab while telling US officially that they were getting their a$$es kicked and send more weapons.

And while Ralph H is quoting people in order to condemn Israel...

"The Jews killed Jesus." Ralph H (repeated right here at MSNBC).

Do you think Israel likes going to war for fun?

Sometimes I wonder.

This is all blah.blah blah.North Korea tested a nuke for Iran. Their enrichment program for more than 20 years is for producing a nuke bomb.Several countries have known this.That is why Iran won´t let the inspectors see all the sites.This general said nothing about not attacking Iran if it is necessary.. He will be leading the charge.He is giving the Iranians a chance to come clean..If not a multinational force wil justifiably attack !!.

Shrekk: What a convenient memory - have you forgotten that Israel has been ATTACKED by her neighbors on 3 separate occasions since the nation of Israel was founded in 1948? Israel was attacked and invaded by 5 of her neighbors within hours of the official declaration of the nation of Israel. Israel not only has the right but the necessity to be a Nuclear power when surrounded by neighbors that swear to destroy not only the nation but the religion of Judaism.

Al718 - Who has Israel threatened without being threatened first

Syria for one, where in 2007 Israel bombed a suspected nuclear site.....even though Syria is an NPT member and there are far better ways of dealing with suspected violations of the treaty.

Israel did the same thing to Iraq in 1981 when it bombed a reactor which couldn't even be used to produce seed for weapons-grade material, and which forced Iraq's nuclear program to go covert even though Iraq was also an NPT signatory.

In contrast, Israel refuses to sign the NPT and is suspected to have hundreds of nukes.

Ralph, why is it that almost all of your quotes date back to the 40's, 50's, and 70's? You are especially fond of quoting Ben Gurion, who was well known for his extreme nationalistic views. The Israeli government is certainly no saint and I am not one of their biggest fans, but I, and most certainly others do not form opinions based on such things. That is like trying to convince that the world should judge the U.S. on McCarthyism and the Domino Principle on communism of the 50's and 60's. We have as a nation, grown beyond that. Perhaps Israel is as guilty as you claim, but there always two sides to every story. You see it one way, I see it another. Not saying either of us is right or wrong. We just have different points of view. I respect your right to your opinion and I just ask the same. Have a good evening.

Welcome to the game Cass and martin bart.

Cassandra: "The Jews killed Jesus."

The Jews did NOT kill Jesus. The Romans did. Crucifixion was a Roman form of capital punishment. The Jews were occupied by the Romans and were FORBIDDEN to enforce any form of capital punishment. The Romans killed Jesus--mocking him as "King of the Jews."

P.S. Jesus was a Jew (not a "Christian")

For all of the Israel haters, you should consider yourselves fortunate that Israel did not occupy the countries that threatened and attacked it. They very easily could have after kicking their rear ends up and down the Middle East in '67 and '73.

so what exactly are they doing to palestine then?

You can twist words any way you want, Israel is not occupying, nor enlslaving, nor controlling anyone. If the arabs that you call palestinians want a better life, they are free to make one with zero interference from Israel, unless their idea of making a better life is to cause harm to Israelis.

You're not the only one who thinks this could be dis-information. Then again it also could be a reflection of Gantz's wishful thinking.

Don't worry. If we get some Republican in the White House Israel won't have to do anything. Some idiot like Romney will claim they have the bomb and attack. Can't have that military industrial machine sitting idyl after the Republicans backtracked on spending cuts. Much better to cut low income entitlements the conservatives are pushing in the house.

Really: Lets see was it not the Democrats that involved the United States in World War I, World War II, the Korean War and Viet Nam. Was it not a democratic controlled congress that voted 98:2 in the Senate and 427:5 voting in support of Desert Storm. Was it not also 97:3 in the Senate and 426:3 voting to support the OIF effort???

Democrats have such conveniently short memories probably mostly attributed to their incredibly low intelligence

Most the wars you list were necessarily motivated like WWI and WWII and the parties involved were both not one or the other, though Vietnam was a big mistake, something Ike started with not JFK. The operation dessert storm was also considered necessary, for oil and was a UN based operation. The wars Bush started were obviously related to 9-11. The Afghanistan understandable. The Iraq war was nothing but revenge based dry drunk Bush's attempt to one up daddy and kill Hussein for his assassination efforts towards his father who had been wiping his ass his whole life. Great rewrite of history, though you ought to do more reading. I see way more efforts to confront Iran directly these days by Republicans than any democrats. Diplomacy for Republicans seems to only be another talking point when the president does the opposite such as Libya.

MCR - Iran has been underging inspections on its nuclear enrichment by the IAEA, for years. Iran, as a good citizen of the world, signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Even though they signed the treaty and are abiding by all the rules.

Jewish Congressmen and women have been writing bills in Congress to sanction Iran for essentially nothing. They do it because they are Zionists, working hard for Isreal and their right wing government, rather than the job they were elected to do in the USA.

Some of the names of those Congressmen and women are: Joe Lieberman, Steny Hoyer, Eric Cantor, Ros-Lehtinen, Eliot Engle and Brad Sherman. Those people should be voted out of Congress, because they are working for a foreign government, while being paid by Americans.

Some people, like the above, should be voted out of MSNBC!

Israel is our ALLY!!!

MSNBC is simply the voice of left-wing radical element of the Democratic party. The MSNBC so-called moderators are heavily biased against anyone voicing an opinion to the right Lenin or that challenges the views or opinions of those supporting Muslim extremist

Allies don't attack our ships.

Allies don't spy on us.

Dear RalphH - I agree with you. I should have added that part of the agreement should be inspection of Israel nuclear weapon program.

We've spied on them too. (and everyone else)

how much of our tech did they sell and give to china and russia? LOTS

There are an awful lot of Israelis --- many think a solid majority -- that believe that a succession of right-wing goverments, driven by coalitions of the negligable, have placed Israel in a position of no credability. They agree not to build more settlements, then build more settlements. They agree to withdraw to previous borders then expand their terrotories. They have about 4200:1 kill ratio of "terrorists" to Israeli civilians. Most Israelis do not think this is a way to peace. But their government is a coalition of right wing sliplinters with no real agenda of its own except to keep focus on a perceived enemy that may or may not exist. And that focus is fickle. Remember the USS Liberty!

I was guilt of that sort of thinking, Chris. For years I thought everybody is Israel was a fascist. I thought the fascists there spoke for the entire nation. This gap between my thinking and reality arose from the reporting and information I had available here in the USA. Only the fascist story was being told.

My thinking is more accurate of reality today. That's always a good thing, especially when it's a correction of fascism, militarism, and death.

Be Careful: Associating Israel with Fascist indicates you have simply no concept of the realty. You do understand the Jews were the victims of Fascists to the tune over 6 millions Jews were murdered in German Concentration camps????? So associating Israel with Fascists is like associating any of the Muslim nations with Democracy.

Recovery in the United States - you have on rose tinted glasses stud. The Obama administration could no more lead this Nation to recovery then the Black Panthers could lead a civil rights movement.

Israel affect energy process - lets see we are paying what $4.00 a gallon and Israel has had nothing to do with that ? Perhaps the real reason we are paying such high gas prices because we have allowed this insane administration to over regulate the energy industry. Might explain why over 1/3 of all US refineries have closed operations in the last 3 years with another 20% scheduled to close over the next 18 months.

israel is run by zionist bigots and their facist policy would lead to israel sel-destruction, also the destruction of her neighbours in the wake.

A regime change to rid these facist bigots and replace with rational israelis would be the only viable option for israel's self preservation.

I have to try and put myself in Israel's shoes sort of, if Canada, Cuba, Mexico, and Russia were all hostile toward my country. If they had already tried to invade and destroy my country. If some of them had vowed to destroy all the people in my country, yeah, I can see not only keeping a very close eye on them but also warning them not to attempt to invade me again because I would surely use everything at my disposal to stop them. Israel will stand whether or not the US backs them or not. I would prefer it if we did. Most of the countries of the world remind themselves that the US has already used a nuclear device against another country and would probably cross that line again if it felt threatened with no other option. Hopefully, our elected officials have enough skill to solve these matters without resorting to the use of force. I can't believe any nation strives for war. I'm sure there are some of them out there but hopefully the world can keep WMD's out of their hands. God bless us all.

The blockade of Gaza was in direct response to "people" who liked to wear bombs and detonate themselves (with shrapnel) in cafes, and clubs, etc... we'll throw kidnapping in there too.

If Israel was "starving them" then they certainly wouldnt be providing them truckloads of food, or electricity.

The rockets are being lobbed, because it's a lot harder to get from Gaza to Israel now due to the barrier and checkpoints.

Abbas wasted a 10 month settlement freeze (which to my knowledge is the first Israeli govt. that freezed settlements) only to come in at the 11th hour, and threatened to leave if the freeze was not continued.

Basically... Abbas and Erekat and whoever else need to prepare their people to the fact that the UN will not give them a state. That they have to negotiate with Israel on. And that neither side is going to get everything it wants. Something Israel knows, and the yet to be state of Palestine does not... because their leaders have not prepared them for it.

Settlements can be dismantled, relocated, razed, repurposed within a final peace treaty.

They are not responsible for a lack of a treaty. The unwillingness of Abbas or Erekat to negotiate is.

I see, and the daily humiliation and degradation of the Palestinians with no hope for the future has nothing to do with them "strapping bombs to themselves"? There is a reason why outside of the US the majority of the world holds Israel responsible for the lack of progress on the peace negotiations. US's veto power is also the main reason why Palestine won't get recognized by the UN. The unfortunate thing is that Israel does not realize that US power is slowly waning and along with it the protection they offer Israel against the international community. Let Israel continue to build new settlements and it will only speed up the ultimate solution, 1) one state for both Jews and Muslims, 2) Israel being forced to change like South Africa did from apartheid, or 3) the continuous growth of orthodox (extremist) Jews' power within Israel, all of which are unattractive offers for the Israelis.

Is your ultimate solution like the "final solution." Interesting wording choice.

If you notice there is a large number of Palestinians who have not resorted to violence, and live their lives in co-existance with Israelis. Resorting to terror is a choice, so is resorting to peace.

I love the apartheid "claim." I'm sure you heard what i am about to write before, and you havent listened yet, but maybe this will be the time. Ahmed Tibi, not one of my favorite people, but he is a member of the Israeli government. As is Haneen Zoabi (who i am also not fond of). So Arabs can hold political office, they can choose whether to serve in the army or not (and some do). You insult the people of south Africa who went through actual Apartheid.

@Archeim - I love when people respond to the apartheid claim by pointing out that there are Arab MK's in the Knesset. That misses the point entirely. Any sensible person will admitt that Arabs are not afforded the same rights and privelages under the laws of Israel, even Bibi has admitted this. You also fail to address the main reason for this accussation, and that is the West Bank. There are Jew only roads, Jew only communities, Arabs must carry ID cards marking them as Arabs. A man who has lived in East Jerusalem all of his life cannot leave his house because Israel has stolen the land and claimed it as its own now refuses to grant him citizenship. He is an illegal alien in his own home. In Israel communities can legally set up service boards to deny entry to undesirable residents(Arabs). The rule of law means nothing in Israel and its leaders continually flaut the law and disregard the Supreme Court at their whim. I think its funny you said earlier that settlements can be removed. Is this a joke? What about Migron or Ulpana how's that working out right now? Years after the High Court as ordered demolitions Israel's leaders still refuse to abide by their own laws.

It's a fair point in asking how crazy Netanyahu is himself? I'd say pretty crazy compared to the average Israeli but probably not as crazy as like al-Zarqawi or someone. At any rate I'm not sure it's productive to assume that all regimes are equally rational in their doomsday calculations. I tend to think a comparatively primitive society like Somalia or Afghanistan would behave differently with a nuclear weapon than France or England would.

I'd say a society's view on human rights, war crimes, and prevalence of other soft values would probably weigh pretty heavily on the decision to use a nuclear weapon. And I know the West has used nukes, had slavery, killed a bunch of Indians yada yada yada...but those societies had very different values than what we have now and we've been emasculated to a pretty significant degree in the last 70 years. I mean, we have trouble executing serial killers. The Islamists are willing to sever a woman's head just based on the type of shoes she decided to wear to the grocery store...

I can't help but think those societies would calculate killing on a massive scale somewhat differently than we would.

So how crazy is Netanyahu? I don't know, he's been combat wounded and probably killed several dozen people himself so I'd bet he's much more likely to nuke another country than the average clove-smoking college student. But, in general, Israel is a sufficiently soft Western society that, I think at least, would blink first in a showdown with Islamist fanatics.

But then again is Ahmadinejad a fanatic of the Bin-Ladin variety? This might not be - and probably isn't - the case either...what a leader has to say to rally the support of a nation of idiots and what s/he actually believes to be the case are two different things. Obama says bombastic things too - not because he actually believes them - but because most people are incapable of understand even the slightest nuance and have to have everything framed in a good vs. evil metanarrative that they can comprehend..."peace loving liberal good...Hitlerian right-winger bad."

But at any rate I don't think every society is equally trustworthy with weapons.

Has anyone ever considered applying exactly the same standards to Israel that we apply to Iran?

There is no "equivalency" required between Israel and Iran. They are very, very different cultures. Every day, Muslims demonstrate their love of killing and chaos. Israelis demonstrate restraint and civilization. Muslims are a danger to peace and stability in the world; Israelis are not!

Saying that, is like arguing that 9 year old children should be able to drive on our highways because 18 year olds may. There is no equivalency there.

Indeed there is no "equivqlency" between israel and Iran.

israel has waged war of aggression on her neighbours, steal their land and subjugate them to inhumanity, oppression and suffering. Whether Iran is peaceful or not can be best judged by her deeds, Iran has not fight any war in 180 years. israel is a danger to peace and stability in the world, Iran is not.

There is indeed no equavalency there.

Kannin, you said that every day Muslims demonstrate their love of killing and chaos. You are wrong. Every day followers of all religions and ideologies demonstrate their love of killing and chaos. And as far as Iran goes I have this to say: Iran is run by Shia clerics. The supreme leader is ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa stating that possessing nuclear weapons goes against Islam. He is the top cleric and thus he is carefully watched by believers. He cannot declare something un-Islamic, and later turn around and declare the same thing Islamic. Thus the supreme religious leader of Iran declared specifically that possession of nukes is against Islam, but Western media will never cover such news. Israel wants you to believe that Iran is a threat to the world when in reality Israel is the greatest destabilizing factor in the Middle East. You say Muslims are bloodthirsty? Get back to me when leaders of Israel declare that possession of nuclear weapons goes against morals of Judaism and get rid of their nukes. But what they say is: "Israel has a right to defend herself, and thus have nukes." I guess Israeli leaders have a lot to learn from Iranian clerics who have enough courage to reject nuclear weapons for ethical reasons in spite of the fact that nukes would have made Iran more secure.

Travis,

I just have to say that you sound very rational, considering the name you chose.

Why is Israel's leading military officer? I don't know, how about a lifetime spent either in combat or analyzing the strategy of his enemies? How about a lifetime spent studying the history and philosophy of war? How about being intelligent, having an advanced degree, and decades of practical hands on experience in fighting wars and counterinsurgencies?

All probably irrelevant though, I'm sure, because he isn't towing the line you think he should tow, right?

I'm not saying you should necessarily agree with his assessment, but to question the man's credibility is just ridiculous. The man is obviously an expert with an impecable record of putting his life on the line to do what he thinks is right for the interests of his country. I don't think his opinion should be so flippantly tossed aside. Though I do think MSNBC mischaracterized what his opinions actually are with the headline of this story.

Dear Endeavor1--you are certifiably in the dumper and totally insane. I agree that religion is nonsense but your ideas that there has to be killing is SO GEORGE W BUSH AND DICK CHENEY!!!

Please go to the corner for your timeout...

Your opinion is exactly why I stated what I did. You think you can talk someone into agreeing with you. People die for their beliefs and have been for thousands of years. You can't talk your way out of it. I picture you as the idiot who tries to talk a bank robber down and gets shot for it.

Endeavor1 : it looks like you watch too much of Mission Impossible movies

Yeah, the world was such a peaceful place when the secular United States and secular Soviet Union were going at it.

I haven't watched the show. I read. I send my thoughts to our leaders....president, governors, senators, congressmen....ect and read the replies I get in return. I express my thoughts and opinions on what is reality. I don't believe in god, the tooth fairy, voo-doo or any of that crap.

When I see religious freaks and their brainwashed followers swagger over their god`s will, I laugh. But depending on how "devoted" someone can be shows how a suicide bomber can be an asset. Strap a trigger on one driving a bus with a nuclear device in it and drive to anywhere USA is what I worry about. Remember the first time the trade center was bombed before the planes hit it?

So you keep using movies as your references maxeemas and I will stick with good `ole reality.

you dont believe in God because you cant see him I understand..

but I am sure that you believe that you are breeding air but you dont see it either...

it s amazing that we do believe in air without seen it! because without it.. we cant breed... it's something we rely on.. I am sure it was not created by it self.... but who cares? as long as it s there for us to breed on it... the creater is not needed you think! once things is provided for us.. why search for the source?

everything will make since one day... one way or another we will have to face this creater of this universal

FYI, The Koran stated long ago.. that two sea meets.. one is salty and the other one is plain/sweet... This scholar by the name of Cusco made this discovery until & during the 1900 deep in the ocean and was convince enough to believe in God

God have shown signs that he exist but if we dont search for the answer.. we will never find out.. and God will not excuse us for simply because we chose to ignore it.

Ban religion? Do you really think that is possible? And here you make fun of people who believe that it is possible to raise the dead. You're just as detached from reality as the people that you criticize.

Maxeemus: "you believe that you are breeding air, etc."

I wish we could "breed" air--maybe it'd help combat air pollution. But you ARE correct: without air ".. we cant breed."

Not making fun of you, Maxeemus--just trying to inject a little humour into a rather serious topic. And I absolutely agree and admire your positive message: " it s not worth end other lifes to feed your greed and selfishness... Think about it? try your best? we can do it together..."

We CAN do it together. C'mon people--LET'S EVOLVE!

Peace

I didn't see Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either but are they real? They are myths created to get a response through control....just as religion is. It is a lie twisted into people to manipulate them through fear. That is what I see. And just in case you didn't know...science has proven what is in "air", why you feel the winds blow it across your face and all the contents with in it so we can "breed". Weak arguement to support your beliefs. I could care less.

Detached from reality. You`re right...in your own simple mind I guess Shandril. But removing religion would be a benefit for human progress. It creates walls between people and those barriers need to be removed to be able to have a rational discussion.

The problem with our US Leaders... regardless they want or not.. they are obligated to protect Israel / mean war... means putting US lifes in jeopardy.. even if whatever Israel is doing is wrong! still!

it s so sad.. I wish if they could listen to us a little... at least if something happens.. they are not the only one to be blamed..it would be worth fighting for them.. but they make their own decisions bad or good we're stock with them..

Israel is the neck and US is the head.. neck turns the head any where they want oh oh

"So what do you think they would do with a nuclear arsenal?" Not a thing. Why would the muslim want to turn their holy land into a no mans land? To destroy Israel? Yeah right? Just like Bush told us , They hate us for our freedoms. So what has our Jewish mob controlled government do? Starts taking them away from us. Will that make the Islamic TERRORISTS like us if we have no freedoms? Nkorea the most nutso country on the planet has them, who have they used them on? The home country of the Mob has them (they stole the stuff to make them) . Pakistan has them last time I checked they were pretty much all muslim. They hate India more than anything, haven't used them. Only the USA has used them.

FEAR is what keeps them in line, FEAR of nuclear annihilation!!! "Oh,I'm scared"

Iran has oil though, Lots of oil! We once controlled it. Iraq has Oil they used to be our friend then they weren't. Then we invaded them on a LIE. Now they're our friends again. We get to control the oil at least,for a while. But that war ain't over.

When the Taliban ran Afghanistan there were no poppys being grown, don't agree with their crazy ass beliefs but NO POPPIES. Now since we have been there 90% of the production in the world. Who controls it Jewish Mafia (follow the money) Why do you think we just settled a long-term occupation pact. The opium will be guaranteed to flow and unemployed Americans have someplace to go.(might not come back but your doing it for our freedoms. That they took away.

I really don't care what happens,I'm to old to fight unless we have to defend the Canadian border. I'm just watching the whole thing play out like a twilight Zone episode, its been running since 9/11 and it's a good one!

I hear ya loud and clear. You are right too. America isn't pretty as much as many think. Money is what drives American foreign policy and has been for a long time. It isn't for whats right or what is just. It is and has been ....MONEY.

But I don't think fear of death but fear of a government overthrow from a starving nation is more why they don't. Any militia that has a chance to "go for it" would be backed by 1/2 the world's nations financially and weaponized by them too. Believe it or not America supports terrorist activity in other countries but when we do it the name used is "covert operation" or "supporting the freedom movement" so on and so forth.

Here is a thought though. Lets say there is a militant group in America carrying out military actions outside of the government's authorization. Hmmm...blackwater comes to mind. They attack other countries for whatever reason. Would it not be fair to say those countries would expect the USA to crack down on them as "terrorist"? But why does the same definition of the word not apply to us?

Iran has similar groups with in their borders. They will carry out attacks against their enemies; which so happens to be the same as the government's thoughts, but one time they may have a better weapon than just a gun or homemade bomb. N Korea; as far as I know, haven't had a rash of suicide bombers come out of their country blowing up markets, police stations or whatever in recent years. But I could be wrong.

I can't say the people there hate us for our freedoms...but our troops and drones there killing them may have something to do with it.

Endeavor1 - Your points and "what if" scenarios are worthless. Iran has not attacked another country in well over 100 years.

You read too much Israeli/Zionist propaganda, which is generally bulit on lies and half truths.

Ralph: Iran has been the major supporter of Muslim lead world - wide terrorism. Iran is directly responsible for the direct slaughter of hundreds of thousands world wide, the rape and torture of hundreds of thousand more, the destruction of the entire Christian, Druze and moderate Muslim political and military leadership of the nation of Lebanon through their financed proxy Syria.

Ternan - You are just repeating Zionist propaganda. You say Iran is responcible for the direct slaughter of hundreds of thousands world wide. You better start smoking something else, because you are obviously hallucinating.

Iran supports freedom fighters in Palestine and Lebanon. They don't order them around and those people do not operate around the globe as the Zionists would have us believe. Hamas is the elcted representative of the Palestinian people and Hezbollah helps protect Lebanon from Israeli aggression, such as the 18 year occupation of Lebanon by Israel.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing 34 and wounding 172 US sailors in a deliberate attack. It was covered up by our Jewish president, Lyndon Johnson, which was the reason for the covered up.

Research into Johnson's personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the
Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major
influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America. As a
young boy, Lyndon watched his politically active grandfather "Big Sam"
and father "Little Sam" seek clemency for Leo Frank, the Jewish
victim of a blood libel in Atlanta. Frank was lynched by a mob in 1915, and the
Ku Klux Klan in Texas threatened to kill the Johnsons. Johnson's speechwriter
later stated, "Johnson often cited Leo Frank's lynching as the source of
his opposition to both anti-Semitism and isolationism."

Lyndon Johnson’s maternal ancestors, the Huffmans, apparently migrated to
Frederick, Maryland from Germany sometime in the mid-eighteenth century. Later
they moved to Bourbon, Kentucky and eventually settled in Texas in the
mid-to-late nineteenth century.¹⁰

According to Jewish law, if a person’s mother is
Jewish, then that person is automatically Jewish, regardless of the father’s
ethnicity or religion. The facts indicate that both of Lyndon Johnson’s
great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish. These were the
grandparents of Lyndon’s mother, Rebecca Baines.¹¹
Their names were John S. Huffman and Mary Elizabeth Perrin.¹²
John Huffman’s mother was Suzanne Ament, a common Jewish name. Perrin is also a
common Jewish name.

Huffman and Perrin had a daughter, Ruth Ament Huffman,¹³
who married Joseph Baines¹⁴
and together they had a daughter, Rebekah Baines,¹⁵
Lyndon Johnson’s mother. The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three
generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was
Jewish.

Durt Bag----------I wish more people had read what you reference.

Dirt bag... (You may want to change your name )

Excellent observation..

Just to give an example how bad it is; When the finance comiitee guy Bernie frank (jew) questioning bankers and all other financial scuumbags, he is getting rough on them, as a show, and asking questions, such as, you sir, did you realize what you have been doing could be unethical???

And the banker Blankenfei (jew) with a smirk in his face, says " Everyything we did was legal and ethical", so shut the freak up and cut the BS, lets go home...

This blankenfein guy is the one, through Goldman sachs sold investors mortage backed securities, and, at the same time, shorted them.... freaking up a lot people "legally".

This is just one example how freaked up it is over at Wall street , thanks largely to jews.

Iran has never supported Al-Qaeda. It was Israel that attacked the US on 9/11. Al-Qaeda may have been involved, but Israel took down the WTCS in controlled demolitions.

http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/ignoble_liars.htm

http://www.rense.com/general29/perl.htm

Read this about the hi jacker passport being found - It was an obvious plant - a little overkill by the real perpetrators.

The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly found a few blocks from the World Trade
Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director
of the FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI find it during a
“grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel
to the 9/11 Commission will later claim the passport is actually discovered by
a passerby and given to a New York City Police Department detective, “shortly
before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.” [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004] According to FBI agent Dan
Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective who is
“down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the
buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the
passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,”
Coleman will say. The passport is then given to a detective on the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. Coleman will say that by this evening, “we realized… that
this was the passport of one of the people that headquarters had identified as
one of the 19 probable hijackers.” [France 5, 3/14/2010] Investigative journalist
Nick Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said
they believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the
Twin Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there
by somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] The Guardian will comment,
“The idea that Mohamed Atta’s passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged
[tests] the credulity of the staunchest

Go get the tin foil. Are you serious??? I mean really??? Get a life, someone else's, because it must stink to be you.

Ralph - So you are saying that bin Laden lied when he admitted he engineered the attacks? It is funny to think that you actually believe that bin Laden and al Qaeda stole the credit for something that the Israelis did.

I am saying the Mossad had penetrated al-Qaeda and knew exactly what they were planning. Al-Qaeda was helped, most likely without their own knowledge, by the Mossad and people within our own government. Only an idiot could watch Bldg 7 fall into it's own footprints and not realize it was a controlled demolition. Bldg 7 was not even hit. All 3 buildings fell in the same manner. If one was rigged, they all were rigged. All 3 buildings were owned by Silverstein and all 3 had been recently insured for billion against a terrorist attack. Then there is the issue of the passport. and NORAD not responding for over 2 hours. The NORAD commander was a Jew. Just a cooincidense? Note: 2 other al-Qaeda passports of were also found in the field in Pennsylvania. Wow, what an amazing cooincidence, 3 of 19 passports survived massive air crashes.

If you watched the crashes into the 2 towers, I am sure any sane person would not think a passport would magically leap out flaming plane and fall to the ground intact, to be found by a man in a suit, who would give it to a policeman and walk away. It is in the 9/11 report. The people with the tinfoil hats are those that swallow the government story, not me. There is much much more that points to an inside job.

Here is a video of bldg 7 falling in a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel

Mike-------Very true.

Iranian possession of nuclear weapons will not deter religious nut-cases from either side of this conflict.
Anyone who believes that there are 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise, is in no way smart enough to be trusted with weapons of any kind. Allah does not use sex as a reward, she is opposed to the exploitation of women and very upset that most muslims think Allah is a man and not the woman that she truly is. Everyone needs to relax and Iran needs to elect non religious nut-cases to run that backwards country.

Pakistan and India are all situated in part of the world called south Asia and have neven been included in the region of middle east. MSNBC news article on Pakistan and India can only be found in heading under South Asia. The following website contains a map of middle east http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/me.htm

You are the one really need to go back to the elementary school and learn your geography