Well Alan, I'm a left leaning former Marine, and my Son is a left leaning 15 year Army veteran with multiple combat missions and a Purple Heart. I wonder if you have ever personally checked out just how cowardly people on the left are. Yeah, Alan. My Son and I are real cowards, the kind you wouldn't want to meet in your worst nightmares.

Don't confuse bravery with stupidity, Bush invaded a country for no reason and got a lot of people killed and ruined our economy.

Intelligence is easily mistaken for cowardliness... Keep that in mind.

While I think we did a good thing getting rid of Saddam I don't think we should have period... War is never the solution sorry to sound like a pacifist but it really isn't. It's not worth the lives and even Eisenhower, a General gone president had more patience for diplomacy and perspective then anyone else can attest to.

Alan

"Quit and Criticize"

"Stay and Fight"..

Were you describing Sarah Palin or Tim Pawlenty or both?

weapons of mass destruction,i guess a good lie works anywhere.

It's all fun and games til somebody loses an eye. Iran will get tired of being bullied and do something to take up for themselves, then they'll be the bad guys.

I believe, Israel has a reason to be so utterly aggressive, Israel has been attacked by nations for many years, they have trained their most Advanced special ops forces on the idea to protect their borders, Israel also has the largest military arsenal.

It always intrigues me how enthusiastic those who have little to no military experience and are probably not going to be involved are in having wars. Consider if in the runup to the Iraq war there had been more people of conscience who knowing the discord between the story being fed to the US public and reality had resigned and spoken up - that would have been courageous, of service to the US and its people ( ie : patriotic ), would have saved probably close to half a million lives and served to protect the US economy. I have come to the conclusion that the absence of a draft in this country, which has allowed Americans to abrogate their responsibility to the US's military and the consequences of our governments actions has been a vast mistake. We sit with a situation then that we have no say in how/when/and for what our military is used. Use of our military in the interests of individual political figures or groups grandiosity or schemes is in fact a betrayal of the purpose of a national military and of the commitment the servicemen make. So if you want to join the self serving calling for/encouraging war with Iran, demonstrate your conviction by going yourself. Those speaking out are trying to avert the actions of ideological lunatics.

First of all the need for nuclear weapons has little to do with the wanting of nuclear weapons. North Korea has no need of them. But they have them. No food but they have nukes. The average North Korean soldier is 5 inches shorter than the average South Korean soldier. Why? The lack of food. India has no reason for nukes. Except the want to keep hold of Kashmir (which isn't worth all the problems it has caused) and they want to keep up fighting the war that they fought unnecessarily when Britain left. The same goes for Pakistan. Both of them need schools, food and indoor plumbing more but they have nukes instead.

If Diskin is right and Israel proceeds there could be war in the Middle East. If Diskin is wrong and Israel backs off, Israel will get wiped off the world map. Tough decisions.

As I recall, Dick Cheney and Geoge Bush had their ways of not serving our nation in Vietnam, as are a lot of right wing chicken hawks.

dls-387641 I agree with u those who have never seen war like to talk about it the two cowards u talked about is proof!!! two tours in nam so until they serve anyone who has are the ones that talk peace they know the horror of war. War has never solved anythung only made more or new foes. Iam sure this make comment's about this. So case and point we fought Germany and there war crimes now we are the same commiting and alowing war crimes to happen from our own people we are now the nazi who whant to rule the world. Nothing changed'

Alan, you don't really know what you are talking about.

The left is well armed and aware, the right is well armed and ignorant, who is more dangerous is an interesting question.

Remember this however, the United States military is the most communistic organization we have here in the United States, it has to be because it needs to function as one entity, not a bunch of individuals.

@ Bob 3360&c

I think you're right about the draft. To my own amazement, I have come to the conclusion that a democracy cannot work with a "professional" army. I guess it's pretty easy now that I'm many decades too old to serve, but I think Bush showed us why certain people in the country want a professional army, and proved absolutely that we should not have one. People need a compelling reason to figure out what their country is planning to do to it's enemies, simply because those enemies can be real, or imagined, or produced by demagogues when anger is running high.

The draft provides a compelling reason.

"I really don't have faith in a leadership that makes decisions out of messianic feelings."

There is a message here re: America's right wing crazies. When you hear the evangelical right promise to defend Israel, don't be fooled. It has nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with their christian mythology centered in the land of the bible's origins. These fools are still fighting the crusades, and if they must start a world war to defend their myths, that is exactly what they will do. Are you going to donate your children for this insane fight? Voting for politicians who pander to this belief system will lead to wars without end, wars without purpose, wars with no winners.

It has nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with their christian mythology centered in the land of the bible's origins

this is from the blog of my favorite Irish atheist, and I am and Irish pagan.

The left and Israel

Israel is a litmus test for me.

Palestinian Muslim totalitarians are fighting Jewish/secular democrats. The former jail and torture gays. The latter have gay pride marches.

The former beat women for immodest dress. The latter have topless beaches.

The former get new rulers when the old ones are shot and thrown off rooftops. The latter have decades of peaceful elections.

The former have sharia law. The latter are more secular than Ireland.

If you support the Palestinians, you have no moral compass.

There are a range of trendy reasons why westerners refuse to support a liberal western country under siege from people who do not subscribe to western values. Self-hatred may be the single most dominant reason. Hating Israel is a safe way of hating the west, for a certain left-wing mindset. Whatever the reasons, the left disgraces itself by its support for the Palestinians.

http://markhumphrys.com/left.israel.html

"I really don't have faith in a leadership that makes decisions out of messianic feelings."

Obama links economic policies to his Christian faith

See, I don't like faith in politics, no matter what side of the isle you may be on. There's just no place for it.

WASHINGTON — Blending politics and religion, President Barack Obama said his Christian faith is a driving force behind his economic policies, from Wall Street reform to his calls for the wealthy to pay higher taxes.

Obama’s remarks today at the National Prayer Breakfast were his most explicit account of how his personal religious beliefs factor into his decision-making on the nation’s pressing problems. The comments came amid election-year criticism from Catholic groups and some Republicans that the president is waging a war on religion following his decision to require church-affiliated institutions to cover free birth control for employees.

Speaking to more than 3,000 people at the annual breakfast, Obama said ‘‘faith and values’’ should play as much as role in tackling the nation’s challenges as sound decision-making and smart policies.

Did Obama just go there. OOOh YES HE DID!!

Saying sound public policy should be based on his faith (black liberation theology) cause thats what was "preached" at his church for twenty years.

Them crazy ass, left wing share the wealth memes, can stay in Jeremiah Wright's, bat @!$%# crazy (anti semitic) church in Chicago. Let us quickly usher such "religious fanatics", from the public square.

source The Boston Globe

This guy should move to Israel and enlist.

Allen you better check the "chickenhawk blog" and learn something useful. Just in the political arena alone the right-wingers are the cowards who dodged the draft while the left are those who served in the military. Of course there are exceptions on both sides but they are few and far between. Israeli hardliners have been causing problems ever since Europe and America dumped the European Jewish refugees there with guns telling them to kill everyone in their way.

Sure - worked for Chamberlain, didn't it? I'm not saying that that's not the right option sometimes. But trying to develop a foreign (or domestic) policy using bumper stickers cum Comandments is scary.

Chamberlain's problem was he didn't mind his own business. He was England's prime minister. Not Czechoslovakia's and surely not Poland's. If Chamberlain had just minded his own business Hitler would have gotten a real bloody nose trying to take Czechoslovakia as they were heavily armed with good defenses. Hitler's business was with the east not the west at least early. England tried to fight a war shackled to a corpse. That's all France was at the time. France was bankrupt with hardly any will or men to fight a war let alone a modern war. If England and France stayed out of it Hitler and Stalin would have done each other in fighting a 15 year war of attrition and Japan would have attacked the Soviet Union instead of us.

Yes, but ron paul is a unique being, a cross between man and chicken whose chicken genes gave him a brain that concluded Ayn Rand (lousy writer, incompetent novelist, paranoid schizophrenic) was a person worthy of being the namesake for his obviously test-tubed son.

omega1-3015173 " I personally believe Israel will start the third world war,,,,,I believe this will happen as soon as next year,,,,"

I doubt that Russia, China and the US would want to go to war over a little conflict between Israel and Iran. Let's not be melodramatic.

If Israel attacks Iran, and Iran responds by attacking US forces, the conflict will be over in a matter of a few days when Iran's military capabilities are destroyed.

If Israel attacks Iran, and Iran responds by attacking US forces, the conflict will be over in a matter of a few days when Iran's military capabilities are destroyed.

Yeah Roy... We have all heard something like that before.

From Meet the Press, March 16 2003:

Vice President Cheney: Now, I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.

I think what Roy is trying to say is that if Iran attacked us militarily when we did not attack them ( Israel did ) then we would be justified to surgically destroy their military capabilities. This would not necessarily mean that we would have to invade or occupy Iran with ground troops. There are a lot of things the US can do with air power.

As long as Obama is in office, Israel knows they are on their own. It is no secret that like Diskin, Obama is undercutting Israel's position with Iran and Palestine. Does anyone really believe that the Iranian leadership isn't coveting nuclear weapons?

Not at all. Iran will continue to provoke the rest of the world because they are an outlaw state! Iran is a paper tiger with a big mouth and a small stick! Let the Isreali's take care of it, since we lack the will!

Charlie Robbins:

I agree with the first half of your last statement, however, I do not believe Americans have a "lack of will." We will enter into a conflict; start a conflict. We suffer mostly from "lack of realistic goals." What do we want? How do we get there? We don't lack will but realistic clarified outcomes. As for Iran, we can always jump into the fray, but it is not terribly imprudent to "wait and see." With our "technology", we have a relatively short response time to most developments. And our present economy is a continuing factor.

Hey Charlie, just how is Iran provoking the rest of the world? Israel doesn't have the guts or the will to take on Iran. They want the US to do it for them, just as we did Iraq.

Here is a comedy skit from an Israeli news source. Israelis know Netanyahu is a windbag, trying to use America again, as they did in Afghanistan and Iraq, both times for energy pipelines. In Afghanistan, the TAPI pipeline and in Iraq, the Iraq to Haifa oil pipeline. Look them up.

www.rense.com/general15/game.htm

Netanyahu’s Real Fear

by AKIVA
ELDAR

A recent skit on the sketch comedy “Eretz
Nehederet” featured a “debate” about the Iranian nuclear program between U.S.
and Israeli leaders.

After some discussion, U.S. President Barack
Obama accedes to the position of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense
Minister Ehud Barak, and he urges them to attack Iran. Netanyahu and Barak
exchange frightened glances and plead with Obama to stop them.

Here’s an idea for a different version of a
sketch on the same subject: After the talks that began on Saturday between Iran
and the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany, Obama
tells Netanyahu and Barak that Iran has agreed to restrict its uranium
enrichment and open its nuclear facilities to International Atomic Energy
Agency inspectors. Bibi looks at his defense minister with a crestfallen
expression and mutters angrily: “What are we going to do without the Hitler of
Tehran? Who will we say is threatening us with a second Holocaust?”

WW III has already began. It just isn't called that yet. Germany's occupation started before WW II was named. Israel will escalate the what will be the "Great War" by attacking Iran, then Russia and China will come to the aid of the Iranian. This will not be surgical war as some might think. Billions will die, all over the world.

DowneastDave We heard other comments too….

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

Too bad Biil was more interested in other and more important issues to take care of Saddam or Osama when HE had the chance

Omega: I'm sure you love to blame all wars on your own people or their supporters don't you? Predicting who will start and who will be to blame for the next war shows your asinine thought process. Just exactly who would you call or what would you propose to do when nobody keeps these people in check? What will you do when they finally have their way and have their boot upon your neck, or for that matter when you sooner than later check all your privileges at the door for your left wing government and they put their boot on your neck? You lefties are the ones who want to sit by and sign away everything (your rights my rights our freedoms) in the name of diplomacy and Barry's and Holders jive talking. All the left knows is stall, manipulate and lie, you know like stalling on a budget, lying about nearly everything to turn it into a political agenda. You radical lefties think your so smart and the only thing smart about it is you outsmarting yourself. All fine until you realise what you have done when it is too late, then you will be crying for someone to help you out of the jam. Pray we never find out how bad we would be off should Biden ever be able to make a decision on anything important. Tell me you know someone less intelligent than Biden... just isn't possible.

@FedUp,

Welll, actually, every quote you cited was based on information maipulated by Dick Cheney to give Congress mis-information in order to create "war fever" as Rumsfeld approvingly called it. I do not believe that if any one of those people had been told the truth, that they would have made the statements. They only saw and heard what Cheney approved of them seeing and hearing. Their grevious error was in trusting the "loyal opposition" which turned out to be loyal only to Haliburton.

And Clinton actually did capture, try, and imprison the first WTC bombers (who were Egyptian, not al Quaeda-led.) And he launched not one, but two attacks specifically against bin Laden. Both failed, one because of bad intelligence and both because it took the military 23 and 27 hours to launch the first missile after the "Go" order was given by Clinton. Add to that the execution and travel time of the missile and both took more than 24 hours to execute. Clinton had massive changes made to the military in order to reduce the command and control time to around 20 minutes. GW Bush had the advantage of the intelligence but he failed to act. Numerous specific imtelligence briefings were ignored by W, not Clinton. And it was Obama who killed bin Laden and 23 of the top 30 al-Quaeda leaders.

Twisting history to meet your opinions is just another form of lie.

@Chris:

Unless you can give some sources backing your assertion that Cheney manipulated the information I don't buy your retort to what fedup posted either. If what you suggest is true, and I've heard this before, then Cheney really was the most powerful Vice President ever to serve in the office. Even Pelosi's statement was made in '98, Clinton was still in office.

Chris-749391

Twisting history to meet your opinions is just another form of lie.

Exactly Chris! Cheney was NOT in office when Bill Clinton made those comments in 1998 or Nancy Pelosi for that matter….and Im sure Hillary ignored all her husband told her about them during his presidency? yet you still want to blame Cheney? Guess that makes YOU the liar and twisting history?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but SEAL TEAM 6 killed Osama, not Barry!

The U.S. ran a mini-group into the Gulf, which was pretty ballsy considering Iran has state of the art anti-ship missiles and lots of 'em. If Israel attacks Iran Iran can't respond without firing in the direction of the American ships, which the U.S. would use as an excuse to attack Iran. Should Iran figure this out it will include an attack on U.S. forces as part of its response.

And, on a related note....

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

that is a fake qoute.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=373&x_context=7

The Breeze "I think what Roy is trying to say is that if Iran attacked us militarily when we did not attack them ( Israel did ) then we would be justified to surgically destroy their military capabilities. This would not necessarily mean that we would have to invade or occupy Iran with ground troops. There are a lot of things the US can do with air power."

Exactly. I hope that we've learned not to put 'boots on the ground' in some vain attempt to bring 'freedom and democracy' to that region of the World. Merely eliminating 90% of their military capability would suffice, and serve as a lesson for other would-be enemies. A threat to do the same against their oil producing capability if they don't comply with inspections to block further development of a nuclear weapon would probably solve that issue as well.

Our efforts at bringing 'freedom and democracy' to Afghanistan is misguided, and is destined to fail (in my opinion). Our original goal there was to eliminate the government that supported and sheltered bin Laden - something that was accomplished within a few months over 10 years ago - all efforts after that have been expensive (blood and treasure) and largely fruitless.

@ sarcasitty:

The source is the CIA. The CIA knew from the beginning that the stuff being used to justify the invasion was pure bullsh-t. And told that to the McClatchy newspaper chain's reporters repeatedly. McClatchy reporters were only ones to do their jobs at that time and they would publish CIA estimates of the sources reliability and believability every two or three weeks. Jeez, the CIA even called one of the sources 'curveball." Go look it up. "The Intelligence Community" that was backing Bush and Cheney was not the "community". It was the agencies' bosses community, men who occupied patronage jobs at the pleasure of the liar in chief.

Clinton and other Democrats were receiving much of the supposed intelligence that Saddam had WMD from AIPAC, the MOSSAD and the Zionist shills in the NY Times and other news sources, such as Judy Miller, Safire and Krauthammer.

JERUSALEM (AP)
— Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the
U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of
mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.

The Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire to see
the Iraqi leader toppled, said Shlomo Brom, who was a senior Israeli military
intelligence officer and is now a researcher with Israel's top strategic think
tank.

Brom stopped short of accusing Israeli intelligence officials of intentionally
misleading Britain and the United States.

Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
Saddam was an implacable enemy.

Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel
traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their
retirement.

His assertions could, however, undermine the reputation of the Israeli intelligence
service, one of the most respected in the world.

Key israelis' criticism of the policy of nittyahoo and his zionist clique re-affirms the notion that the regime is rotten to the bones and a regime change is a must.

A government under the helms of rational israelis may give peace in the middle east a sound chance.

freddy4life pls seek treatment. Your ideology is destructively sick.

Your lack of intelligence is frightening on this matter. Please, seek outside perspective and info before you attempt to comment.

If only they started with racist like you first.... By the way "Einstein", this is the proper way to spell Muslims! What a efffen Idiot you are! Did it ever dawn on your dumb a$$ that there are well over a Billion Muslims!? It is narrow minded racist like you who make us look bad all over the World

freddy, You are nothing but a racist sob.

Eddie in Seattle, before you criticize a spelling mistake, maybe you should learn as well. In two places you used the word racist rather the correct "racists" and world should not have started with a cap W. What do you say now you pompous putz?

freddy4life, how are the muslims a problem for you?

you could say the same thing for the iran.

clayton there is ONE HUGE difference ISRAEL doesn't call for IRANS'destruction on a daily basis.I am almost positive if IRAN would respect ISRAEL,respect.. ISRAELS' right to exsist,ISRAEL would be more than happy to live in peace.Really don't see that happening do you??

str8jkt82: au contraire my friend... Israel is lobbying like a madman to bomb the hell out of Iran on a more than daily basis. I guess on of the two will be the first unless Iran obtains a bomb too, and than we will have a Mexican standoff. And than they will be accepted again in the fold of humanity and get their championships and olympic games to pander them. Like China, South Africa, Russia, Brasil, India (might be next in line for olympic games). Irans people are not like the religious folks in power. Unlike the USA of course. A Veep like Palin would have changed the tables though.

Lets have some proof that Iran threatened Israel 33 years ago. Your lies are getting farther and farther over the top. Ypou don't have a gram of evidence that Iran has been making terrible attacks all over the world. Iran hasn't attacked another notion in more than 180 years.

Israel is the nation led by crazed individuals who have attacked the US, and all it's neighbors. Examples: USS Liberty, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and America on 9/11.

martin bart is a fervent israel apologist, and together with cassandra they never fail to come to the defense of their master.

"if the bible proves gods existence, does that mean comic books prove batmans existence?".

jimsjam33,0n the contrary is the otherway around God does not like the jews thats why they gotting kicked out of everywhere.

Or maybe they got kicked out of everywhere in order to fulfill what the Bible foretold, the restoration of Israel as a nation.

and neo cons have no input other than to put others down..

WGN Are you serious? first every expert did believe IRAQ had wmd BRITIAN ,FRANCE ,GERMANY thought so also . our last 3 presidents thought that too!!! ISRAEL DOES NOT WANT TO INVADE OR CONQUER IRAN OR ANYBOBY ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.And as it stands now Israel is standing alone because our current admin.is no friend of Israel

That's a bit of a problem anyway, isn't it str8jkt82?

If I thought the guy across the street had a gun and was preparing to shoot me with it - and my neighbor thought so too, and the guy behind me agreed with us - so I went ahead and shot and killed the man...but a subsequent police investigation revealed that not only was the man I shot unarmed, but there were no weapons in his house either - would it be ok, because I thought so, and my neighbors thought so too?

str - First off, all the experts from those countries did not agree that Iraq had WMD. That was just put out by the Zionist media in those countries. The notion that all the countries in the world thought Iraq was producing WMD is laughable. All the countries of the worls were not engaged in gathering intelligence on Iraq. It was mostly Isreal and the US Defense Dept, which was infested with Zionists, such as Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliot abrams, David Wurmser and the like. They were running their own intelligence gathering in the Dept of Special Plans, where they cherry picked and flat out made up their own intelligence.

JERUSALEM (AP)
— Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the
U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of
mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.

The
Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire to see
the Iraqi leader toppled, said Shlomo Brom, who was a senior Israeli military
intelligence officer and is now a researcher with Israel's top strategic think
tank.

Brom stopped short of accusing Israeli intelligence officials of intentionally
misleading Britain and the United States.

His assertions could, however, undermine the reputation of the Israeli intelligence
service, one of the most respected in the world.

The Israeli military declined comment, while other experts said Brom was
exaggerating.

Brom told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that "Israeli
intelligence was a full partner with the United States and Britain in
developing a false picture of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction
capability."

He said Israeli intelligence "badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel
and reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons existed."

Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
Saddam was an implacable enemy.

So the end game in you mind is that the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power and that Irans plans of getting nuclear weapons is nothing more than zionist propaganda to get the US to intervine militarialy?You conspiracy theorists ...just totally amaze me

str - Saddam was no threat to any other country. He wasn't working on WMD, he didn't have any WMD and Iraq was a stable country. The war will cost the US over 3 trillion dollars, maybe more than 4 trillion, according to some experts.

Israel's own experts have said that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. All 16 US intelligence agencies have said the same. It is only aholes, like Nutanyahoo, who put out that bs. He has been predicting that Iran is on the cusp of nuclear weapons since 1992. Your ignorance amazes me.

'1992:'Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his
colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear
weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front
headed by the US"'.

1992:
Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have
nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest
problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the
nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious
militancy."

1992:
Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran
has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he
told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters."

In a recent interview with CNN, Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey said
he believed the Iranian regime was a "rational actor" when it comes to the nuclear program. Dempsey said Iran would likely weigh the
ultimate costs and benefits of building a nuclear weapon before doing so. James
Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, recently told a Senate panel
that a decision had not yet been made by the regime in Tehran.

But a growing number of analysts, including
Israelis, are now saying openly that Israel’s warnings are at least partly a
disinformation campaign. ---- It appears idiots are believing the campaign, which is total Zionist propaganda, aided by the Zionist media and AIPAC.

freedman i guess it is another zionist plot that SH attacked his nieghbors and murdered thousands of his people and that iran threatens israel with extintion about every other day.yep i see zionism conspiracy all over that

RalphH JERUSALEM (AP)
— Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the
U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of
mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday

you do this continually, you never link the article because it DOES NOT support the position you claim, that's dishonest, please link your sources, the CoH is there for a reason,and you ignore it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-04-israeli-iraq-threat_x.htm

Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their retirement.

Yossi Sarid, an opposition member of parliament, demanded an inquiry. "If political factors interfere with intelligence assessments, heaven help us. That is the greatest danger," he told Israel Radio, adding that Israel's credibility could suffer.

"When we present dire information about Iran's arming itself with nuclear weapons, who's going to take us seriously? They can say, 'You exaggerated about Iraq, too,'" Sarid said.

Others argued Brom overstated the case.

Yuval Steinitz, chairman of the parliamentary Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said there was a failure by all Western intelligence agencies in assessing the Iraq threat, but "to say that Israel is
the prime mover in this is extremely farfetched."

Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat research center at Bar-Illan University near Tel Aviv, rejected Brom's findings and accused him of trying to bolster Israeli doves who believe the country faces no credible external threats.

"Intelligence has to warn of the worst-case scenario," Inbar said. He also questioned Brom's conclusion that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. "They haven't found Saddam, either, but does that mean there was no Saddam Hussein?"

Stuart A. Cohen, a top American intelligence analyst, wrote last month that with all the evidence the U.S. government possessed, "no reasonable person could have ... reached any conclusions or alternative views that were profoundly different from those that we reached."

Of course Israel wanted to rebut the truth, so they trot out these guys and lie their a$$es off. Any fool could see Israel was behind the war. Look at the writers in America that pushed the war, such as Krauthammer, Safire, Kagan and Miller. They were pushing for war in every other article, If Israel wants war, they just have Zionist writers print their stories, which usually consist of half truths and unproven allegations. Example: Saying Hezbollah and Iran were behind the bombing of a synagogue in Argentina. That story was total bs, without a gram of evidence.

They cannot retract what Brom said. He was a general with contacts in the Israeli IDF. Furthermore, in the runnup to the war, many articles would mention that some of the inrtelligence was coming from an unnamed country. When that appears, you can bet it is Israel.

If we ever do attack Iran, the Zionists will again claim, Israel had no part in the decision.

Example: Saying Hezbollah and Iran were behind the bombing of a synagogue in Argentina. That story was total bs

that is not true

Iran, Hezbollah charged in 1994 Argentine bombing

BUENOS AIRES: Prosecutors formally charged Iran and the
Shiite militia Hezbollah Wednesday in the 1994 bombing of a Jewish charities
office in Argentina, which killed 85 people and injured 300.

"We deem it
proven that the decision to carry out an attack July 18, 1994 on the AMIA
(Argentine Jewish Mutual Association, a Jewish charities association
headquarters in Buenos Aires) was made by the highest authorities of the Islamic
Republic of Iran which directed Hezbollah to carry out the attack," Argentine
chief prosecutor Alberto Nisman said.

Prosecutors called for the arrest
of top Iranian authorities at the time, including then-president Ali Rafsanjani.

No one has been tried for the crime in more than a decade since
Argentina's worst-ever terror attack.

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- The experts never believed Iraq was a threat when Bush-Cheney were in power. It was lies by the Bush-Cheney leadership concocted by the neo-conservatives in the administration. Israel was the primary proponent of an invasion of Iraq, and the neo-conservatives were Zionists advancing the cause of Israel at a devastating cost to the USA in dollars and lives.

Again israel is trying to draw the USA into another war for Israel's benefit alone. Israel is an irresponsible nation hanging onto the apron strings of mother USA.

The experts never believed Iraq was a threat when Bush-Cheney were in power. It was lies by the Bush-Cheney leadership concocted by the neo-conservatives in the administration

that's less than truthful

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

kpr37 - The web site you identify has a lot of quotes from politicians, but nothing from the UN inspectors, the CIA or even Bush's security advisor at the time. There was a large number of USA military, security and intelligence leaders that opposed the invasion of Iraq in 2002. Theyr were ultimately replaced for not buying into the Bush-Cheney fantasy.

kpr37 - The web site you identify has a lot of quotes from politicians, but nothing from the UN inspectors, the CIA or even Bush's security advisor at the time

You are correct, they are all Democrats,every last one of them.

here is a video as well

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae9_1207228741

It appears that both Democrats and Republicans are on the pro-Israel lobbyist campaign contribution payroll and are ready to jump to Israel's defense or even ambitions for expansion. It unfortunate that too many politicians have a higher loyalty to Israel rather than the USA taxpayer.

It appears that both Democrats and Republicans are on the pro-Israel lobbyist campaign contribution payroll

The best figures I've seen suggest that AIPAC and affiliated groups spent around $3 million dollars in 2011. Which sounds like a large figure, until you realize that total political spending amounted to some $5.3 billion. Is .05% a large figure on the planet where you come from? Can it but the loyalty of every American politician?

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000046963&year=2011

It unfortunate that too many politicians have a higher loyalty to Israel rather than the USA taxpayer.

I've heard that reality is a Zionist conspiracy, and delusional propaganda is the opiate of the masses

Ralph...Iraq not only invaded Kuwait but swallowed it up and said it was now a province of Iraq.Similair to what the nazis did in annexing Poland and Austria. Iraq also sent some missliles at its neighbors..remember? But this article is about Iran which is even worse as its a racist genocidal regime saying heil ayatollahs instead of heil Hitler?Even most Muslim countries are embarrassed by these perverted clerics hiding behind their robes...huffing ang puffing their pyschopathic threats.The nuke bombs are just the final straw.They must and will be removed by an international coalition.including Muslim and Arab countries.. And most of the world will cheer.They too have been victims of Irans attacks and threats, Won´t be long now!!

Lol Irans attacks, genocidal nation... K XD Facts sir. Also, is that your final answer? Oh you better suit up bart, get your gear and head to the front line, you're leading the first wave. Make your vote count buddy.

Bart wrote - The nuke bombs are just the final straw.They must and will be removed by an international coalition.including Muslim and Arab countries.. And most of the world will cheer.They too have been victims of Irans attacks and threats, Won´t be long now!!

Bart - Are you demented or just unable to read? What are the nuke bombs to which are you referring? Iran does not have nuke bombs, is not working on nuke bombs and could not if they wanted to, because they signed the NPT and are therefore monitored by the IAEA. All 16 US intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. An Israeli general recently made the same conclusion. If you read this article, Israel's former head of intelligence has drawn the same conclusions.

Israel is the country with all the nukes and the one that has attacked it's neighbors. Israel is the one that makes most of the threats, not Iran. Ahmadinejad made one or two statements and the Zionists, misqote at least one of them and play it over and over again and then say Iran has made repeated threats.

Abdel Sattar Qassem was jailed by Israel in 1981 and 1988 for his books, most of which were banned.

frank What you are saying is ,is that if ISRAEL is invaded you would be completely alright with the TOTAL genocide of that country and people? You know that would be the out come

You don't read much, I gather. Israel invaded Palestine? Lol. Read some history about the ME first,then post. BTW, it is not al all about Gd and war. It is as much ideological as it is theological. Just as we had Vietnam, the USSR had the ME. Who was on the side of the Axis powers during WWI and WWII and declared a Jihad against the allies?

Because you are wrong in the first place. Get your facts straight.

Oh my god at your theory... its so epicly backed by facts that no-one can see... I believe you *sarcasm*

From your post, you don't obviously have the facts or the inside scoop (you might ask a dog owner).

sorry Cassandra-854-- I am ready to come to school any time maybe i can teach you a thing or two , and i know about Egypt , we are paying them to keep the peace with Israel , If you ask me , the hell with both of them , I Don't want my tax dollars to go to these people , I have kids in school , and I know the Israelis nor the fing Egyptians care about that , thank you .

Cassandra, similar sums are not given to Egypt. In fact anything given to Egypt was stricktly to buy their friendship with Israel. In other words, it was another cost to the US for our "special realtionship" with the ungrateful parasites in Israel. We have given more than 100 billion dollars to israel over the years, which amounts to thousands of dollars for each and every Israeli citizen.

For that, Israel has given America the assassination of JFK, the Attack on the Liberty and 9/11.

The assaination was to get Lyndon Johnson our first Jewish president installed. He covered up the attack on the Liberty and armed Israel to the teeth.

http://lennybendavid.com/2008/05/lyndon-johnsons-historical-connection.html

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/

http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/ignoble_liars.htm

http://www.rense.com/general29/perl.htm

http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc1.htm

http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc2.htm

Yes, Ralph. You're right once again. It was Israeli pilots, not Islamic terrorists who flew the planes into the Twin Towers. It was an Israeli marksman, not a rabid communist like Oswald, who shot Kennedy.

Attacks on Israel have one major purpose--to attempt to draw attention away from the largest threat to world peace today, Islamic terrorism. The apologists for that terrorism know exactly what they are trying to do. They will fail.

P.S.--Israel is maintaining a flying saucer base at Area 51 in Nevada, the same place where the phony moon landing was filmed by Zionists from Hollywood. But you already knew that.

I don't know who flew the planes Procrustes. Did you see them in the cockpits? I do know it wasn't the planes that brought down the towers. It was the thermite set by the 5 dancing Israelis ( my educated guess).

It was a Zionist Jew, named Jack Ruby, that shot the only person who could shed light on the assassination. How convenient, that a Jewish bar owner was able to silence the witness. The result of the assassination put a Jew in power as the President of the US. Israel's leaders hated Kennedy, because he was trying to stop Israel's nuclear program. Israel had the motive and the means.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/mossadandtheassassination.htm

http://lennybendavid.com/2008/05/lyndon-johnsons-historical-connection.html

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/

Research intoJohnson's personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the
Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major
influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America. As a
young boy, Lyndon watched his politically active grandfather "Big Sam"
and father "Little Sam" seek clemency for Leo Frank, the Jewish
victim of a blood libel in Atlanta. Frank was lynched by a mob in 1915, and the
Ku Klux Klan in Texas threatened to kill the Johnsons. Johnson's speechwriter
later stated, "Johnson often cited Leo Frank's lynching as the source of
his opposition to both anti-Semitism and isolationism."

Lyndon Johnson’s maternal ancestors, the Huffmans, apparently migrated to
Frederick, Maryland from Germany sometime in the mid-eighteenth century. Later
they moved to Bourbon, Kentucky and eventually settled in Texas in the
mid-to-late nineteenth century.¹⁰

According to Jewish law, if a person’s mother is
Jewish, then that person is automatically Jewish, regardless of the father’s
ethnicity or religion. The facts indicate that both of Lyndon Johnson’s
great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish. These were the
grandparents of Lyndon’s mother, Rebecca Baines.¹¹
Their names were John S. Huffman and Mary Elizabeth Perrin.¹²
John Huffman’s mother was Suzanne Ament, a common Jewish name. Perrin is also a
common Jewish name.

Huffman and Perrin had a daughter, Ruth Ament Huffman,¹³
who married Joseph Baines¹⁴
and together they had a daughter, Rebekah Baines,¹⁵
Lyndon Johnson’s mother. The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three
generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was
Jewish.

Ralph--You have been refuted at least a dozen times on this 9/11 conspiracy bunk, so I don't believe the facts will have an impact, but here's your cockeyed thermite story revealed.

http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm

News flash: Reuters reports that Mosad agents have kidnapped Santa Claus and circumsized him against his will. Mrs. Claus is beside herself and contemplating legal action. Santa was returned home (North Pole) safely and was quoted as saying, "I miss that old sock puppet, but this new model sure breathes better!"

Procrustes - That web site is debunking nothing. All it does is attempt to baffle you with bulls--t. Common sense should convince anyone but an idiot, that the WTCs were brought down in controlled demolitions. The site I posted, gives the testimony of many, many experts in architecture, explosives, chemistry and the science of controlled demolitions. The consensus was that Bldg 7 and the 2 other towers were rigged. There is also testimony from firefighters and others in the 2 towers that they were hearing explosions. Airline fuel does not burn at a hot enough temperature to melt or weaken the building supports.

The evidence is so overwhelming, it is impossible to list all of it. Zionists were behind 9/11. Those 19 hi jackers would have had to be the luckiest people on the planet, not to get caught, because they were far from being brain surgeons.

How lucky do you have to be, for NORAD to be conducting exercises on the day of 9/11, precluding them from intercepting a plane from the time the towers were hit, until the Pentagon was allegedly hit, an interval of 2.5 hours? The head of the NORAD command was Jewish. Was he a sayanin?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ&feature=player_embedded#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel

Ralph-You and the Islamic terrorists you embrace will surely burn in hell. I will enjoy that very much. The circumcision of Santa apparently removed part of your skull, so your ravings are understood.

The overwhelming evidence points to Saudi terrorists, your pals, who designed the attack. Were you one of those disgusting females who gave out candy and celebrated when the cowards struck NYC? Ululating whores gave out sweets in the Arab street. We have killed many of their leaders for sport. Should we give out candy too?

Ah yes . . . It's so good to watch God's "elect" wallowing in their own self-righteousness.

Pretty much like a pig in a pen that hasn't been mucked out in a month, and the smell is similar.

Your rant about God and religion is reaching deranged levels, you are really a mesianic moron.

Ye Bo1781424 when God of Israel come down the only one standing will be the SOB'S thieves of Israel and you will be their waving flag.