What is going on in the world today? Is the entire planet really spinning into sheer distress or is the internet/media/news just so friggin hopped up on the "insanely scary news is the only worthy news" pills that the world only "seems" to be about to implode?

You almost sounded like a conservative there for a moment...has the kool-aid finally worn off?

We should stand by the ideals that made us great - freedom and democracy --GCV

Practicing democracy, Americans have embraced socialism and elected socialist politicians to fill almost all key government positions. For nearly 70 years, America has steadily declined as socialist politicians tax-and-spend until America is so broke she has to borrow from the Chinese. Once the world's greatest creditor, America, today, is the world's greatest debtor.

"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"--Janis Joplin

When politicians want to be re-elected or wage war, buzz words like "Freedom" or its cousin, "Liberty" are spoken liberally without any context. And the masses, ignorant of their own American history, surge forth with raw emotion in response to the mere utterance of "Freedom' and 'Liberty' as if these were magic words with the power to seduce a trance. Seduction works because the American people want it to work. Is it any wonder so many Americans are coming home in body bags draped in the American flag?

Dude...nobody robbed our jobs, our corporations yeah, the ones the republicans are trying to protect took them to China for better profits since their wage sare so low and ours sooo high, second is not our business to dictate how other countries deal with their citizens just like we they should not dictate on how we treat our prisoners. Our corporations went global, their greediness is so much that they rather close all ther factories here than missing a quarter profit. That my friend is what stole our jobs. That and of course the price of doing business over here. Our standard of living is way high compared to the rest of the world and only immigrants will do cheap labor. The rest wanst big $$$ for the labor and that increases labor cost. Taxes are aslo increased to improve infrastructure, all our homes have basic services compared to villages in China that most of their residents still use bicycles and have no sewage.

What did we do, kick him out of the embassy so he wouldn't upset Hillary's give-away. Yes, I know the story said he left on his own. Why did he escape then?

china doesn't care about human rights or freedom of speech,what china cares most is the stability of their communist regime in china. It's useless that US keep on mentioning human rights issue to china leaders because it against their communist core ideology that emphasize more on dictatorship rather on human rights.

On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act which allows indefinite detention of terrorism suspects without charge, and the jailing of American citizens without trial. It also takes terrorism-related cases out of the hands of the FBI and the civilian court system and hands them over to the military.

Once again, the Obama administration caved into the least political storm! Could you imagine the US letting a major political refuge go back to the USSR during the heyday of the cold war? Obama didn't want to chance upsetting the Chinese and allowed a helpless man go back into the clutches of a despotic regime. Way to go President MilkToast!

Monthly disposable income = $531 in China

China Trend up = ~3% up

Monthly disposable income =$2883 in America

US trend downward ~2%/yr.

Sooner or later our standard of living will cross over and we will be the China of the last half of this century if not before.

Maybe China should apologize to their own people. By committing many human right violations. We should not apologize.

The sorry translation to what really transpired is that the man, inspite of being blind, somehow managed to escape, but then our wonderful socialist -in-chief and his secretary of state, (code named,"Cookie Baker"), caved to their Chinese Communist comrades and betrayed yet another freedom seeker, kicking him out and leaving him to his fate at the hands of an ,oh ,soooo, understanding, communist regime ,it seems Dems are really good at that doesn't it, Remember the little boy from Cuba that Cookie's husband, (code named,Sweet Willie the Red), literally had snatched from the arms of his relatives at gun point, and sent back to that workers paradise, Cuba,but, not to worry, The ChiComs promised to take this man that embarrassed them so much, somewhere,......... ,"safe",.........yeah,.............. makes You proud to be an American don't it.

Why would that spoil a liberal's day KMoser? Obama is at best center right. Hell he's right of Reagan. No liberal is under any delusion that Obama is one of us ("us" meaning liberal just in case any Birthers got excited for a moment). We vote for him simply because he is the least extreme of the viable candidates.

Robert -

the republicans are trying to protect took them to China for better profits since their wage sare so low and ours sooo high

I lost my automotive sector job in 2005 when production was taken from my plant and replaced with parts imported from South Korea. We supplied the "big 3"with 95% of our manufacturing. GM was our largest buyer of parts with about 40% of our products being for them. In case you didn't know, GMis a union stronghold, with an estimated 90% of them regularly voting democrat. Those union controlled companies shipped our jobs to Asia... The plant had over 900 employees at that time. Today is still operates, but with only 175 employees. We had a total of 5 plants in our operation. Today there are 3 remaining, with a total of 25% of their original workforce.

We were union - they were union. We voted democrat - they voted democrat...

How can you say this is a "republican" thing...??? Seriously, this is NOT an "us against them" problem. The political strategy has always been to divide and conquer. It has always been 'us against the man'. It has always been 'management vs. employees'. That is utter garbage. It is something everyone caters to. "How can we maximize our margins"? "How can we sell more GM vehicles and take market share from Chrysler"? It is an important issue both sides fail to look beyond the next earnings report on - for the sake of a buck.

no one can say it better GVC, "special interest" is what our politicians and you know who, is allowing to keep the US alive, nothing good will come of this situation when our leaders and the president are so determined to destroy it, at our expense. they forgot to ask us if this is what we wanted. doesn't this make you proud to be an American? we need to vote ourselves, the working middle class into office and get these goon's out. we can't afford any more misleadership, misrepresentation, mismanagement, missed opportunities, malingering government, and we certainly cannot afford to let this bananaramaobama have another four years to complete his destruction of this country. he's done enough damage already that will cause us to the end of this decade to recover from. he wants to be re-elected in a bad way. look at his campaign trail, where is he focusing, same group as the last time. oh by the way, wonder if he repaid the financier of his most current campaign? i bet not. because he is top bananaramaobama, he probably thinks this does not apply to him. we need to watch him closely and make sure he does not get another term in office!

VOTE NO ON OBAMA!

J.D.Still Did a little checking on the Elian Gonzalez story since you wanted to bring it up and can't seem to remember it too well. The morning of April 22, 2000 was date that the federal immigration folks went in to get him. Since you are so good with saying it was the POTUS's fault, which president would have been the one to order that episode of executive power?

@ Concernedone...I read every post on this thread and yours was the one that actually made sense. The problem with this country is not one party or the other it's the Unions trying to milk every buiness dry. And the Corporations that have no problem at all moving jobs out of the country for the sake of saving 25 cents. We need to stop blaming the Dems or the Repubs and start demanding that Unions and Corps do buiness in the best interest of the people. Until that happens you could vote for Bozo the clown or Einstein and it wont make a damn bit of difference!

Don'tgettheright??

The 42d President,Clinton, Jan 1993 to Jan 2001,I suggest You recheck Your Checker, it seems to be defective.

Rob & Concernedone,

I would like to see us look at things like charging a tariff on imported goods for countries that do not meet certain wage/environmental standards - I wouldn't go as strict as our standards, but something to encourage other countries to ensure their workers are treated better - and help build their middle class, thereby creating more customers for our goods.

I would also put rules that say x% of manufacturing costs must be incurred in the US (or pay a penalty). If I remember correctly, Bush 1 did this for car manufacturers and it worked well.

I'm sure there are lots of other things we can do, but the general idea is to create an environment that encourages manufacturers to produce in the US - instead of our current approach which basically encourages them to produce in the low cost countries.

I find it rather astonishing that the U.S. can sympathize with a Chinese protester so deeply as to give him refuge, but sanctions the beating and pepper spraying of protesters at home. I guess the U.S. wouldn't mind if Occupiers sought refuge in the Chinese embassy & asked the Chinese to help them from getting beaten and shot with bean bags.

BlueBurner

He was a disadent simply speaking out. The losers you sympathize with run around our cities in dark clothing and ski masks busting windows in businesss and cars and generally committing crimes of vandalism. Should we congratulate them for thier stupidity? No we wouldn't mind at all if the occupiers ran to the Chinese Embassy to seek asylum. Hopefully they would all be taken to China for "thier own protection".

And let this be a lesson to the world, don't go to a US embassy asking for Asylum in any country where Obama and crew just might "make a deal". Our proud tradition of protecting those who are persecuted has become "Let's Make a Deal" under this administration. If the seals had told Obama while looking for Bin Laden, he would have stopped the operation before it got to time to say Yes or No to their going to get him. He would probably have made a deal. The military did this one just right!

What's the big deal about EXPOSING their forced abortions? The world has known about that for decades but keeps supporting their commie system anyway.

Rob-1699252,

"unions milking every business dry"? Total union membership as a function of total labor force = 11.4%

Total private sector union membership is now under 7%. So for the life of me I can not understand your statement quoted above. 7% is insignificant when compared to other economic influences. I believe the "habit of hatred" is ingrained far too deeply in the American mind.

Insofar as the "good or evil" of unionism - here is some food for thought - would you want your kids taught by "educators" earning poverty level wages? What kind of quality education would they get with that level of educator in today's economy? My mother was a teacher for 40+ years, her salary in 1955 based on inflation would be in 2010 8.05 times that amount. What costs 10,000 in 2010 would have cost $1267 or 7.89 time less. This was prior to the NEA or any other teacher's union. The net real gain from 1955 to 2010 is, 0.16% over the past 57 years (inclusive of union "gains") Factor in union dues and base purchasing power then and now are at best a wash.

Run your parents salary against cost of living then factor inflation you will find that insofar as $$$$$ is concerned union or no union makes no difference.Where unions have made a difference is in workplace safety and healthcare along with child labor laws. I grant you it costs money to have a safe work place but isn't everyone "entitled" to that?

Please do not knock / blame unions for this nation's ills - everyone of us is guilty of that because we voted politicians into positions of leadership, politicians whose sole stock in trade is lying, cheating and pinching babies butts. VOTE SMART IN NOVEMBER

Sources for the figures westegg.com and wikipedia

Concernedone - I liked your post as well because YOU realized the blame isn't with any one party. Well done.

Every politician MUST try to please those he/she represents. All issues aren't weighted the same and they fluctuate with intensity. The possibility of agreeing 100 percent with a representative is impossible. We shouldn't expect such high standards.

For years, I have been represented by two democrat senators. One has just been plodding along and thankfully is retiring. The other was left of Obama and had a strong following for many years. However, after all those years how as the landscape? Lousy. Less jobs than when he started. So he got booted even though my state is blue. I probably wrote to him way more than anybody else because I thought he would stand for his principles against some of the gimmicks implemented by Obama. Clearly he was not part of the Obama team, but in the past under Bush he was extremely outspoken to the left because frankly I think he believed what he was saying. I strongly disagreed, but I felt he was really representing his true views. When Obama got in office he shrank back, and let nonsense prevail. This was a man intending to run for that office someday. He did vote against certain things and cried foul, but the Obama machine proved way too nimble for him and thus he lost his seat because he quite being who he had been in the past. The thing is he wanted to get re-elected again and so he chose to just go along with things that were not solutions. He lost.

I rarely agreed with Ted Kennedy. He turned out to be very left of JFK that I once admired. The thing is though Teddy worked hard. He may have been wrong on some issues, and with Bush went over the line to be disrespectful, but he was often the one helping write the legislation. He was at least putting his ideas forward for the public to view and decide.

Paul Ryan, love him or hate him, he is a worker bee as well. Sadly, there are not many because they fear retaliation from the media and this WH. My democrat senator that lost, feared the Obama machine because his voice within the party was a threat. See how this goes? I admire the worker bees even if I don't agree. I at least know they are alive and trying even if they fail or are wrong.

Private unions have diminished because they frankly did not save their own jobs. As stated by common they gave them away to others across the pond. However, what did happen was that public unions gained a lot of strength as governments grew. It is this bunch that has sabotaged local, state and the federal governments.

Unions were started to improve pay, benefits, but most of all working conditions. With public unions it became all about pay and benefits, that did not translate to other workers across the country. So when private unions wanted working conditions to be improved that translated across the private sector and thus was good for the whole. Public unions are selfish and used their considerable power to only help themselves at the expense of their neighbor that had to pay high taxes to support their salary and benefit packages. SELFISH.

The man escaped the Chinese Communists only to run right into the hands of the American Communists, Hilary and 0, etal. He was DOA. And the useful idiots in the US still cannot see what 4 more of the Communist coup will bring for us. It is pretty much hopeless. You cannot fix STUPID.

"On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act which allows indefinite detention of terrorism suspects without charge, and the jailing of American citizens without trial. It also takes terrorism-related cases out of the hands of the FBI and the civilian court system and hands them over to the military."

Freedman1, this is just so scary! The US government positioning themselves to protect big business who is obviously feeling threatened by the "Occupy Wallstreet Movement" and seeing the American public's growing anger and unrest...

Think it's time for all good citizens, politicians, and business boneheads to read once again A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens. A story based upon the French Revolution.

Our corporations don't give a sh.t about democracy and freedom as long as they see dollar signs. This is all about GREED, people wan't to buy more and more of stuff they don't need and corporations wan't to suck every single dollar out of us, period.

Sharkto - I am with a national company & do business with business owners in about 70% of the states. I have not met one person who even takes the "Occupy Wallstreet Movement" seriously, let alone "feeling threatened".

Just this week, I have talked to business owners in WV, CO, MN, IN, TN, OH, IL, GA, KY and VA. Not one single mention of the 'great walkout' encouraged by unions and OWS. That aspect of civil disobedience is not even being noticed in the real world.

I see many, many posts and internet stories about this movement, but never hear a peep about it in the daily operations of the real world... Nada...

Tron:

You have repeated your comment over 4 times on this board, and others---

Think of something "new", please.

This man is NOT a criminal, as you have repeated over and over again. He is a DISSIDENT, of which you refuse to accept. He wants to make China a better place re: Human Rights, thus putting the Chinese Government in an embarrassing position.

They will have to deal with it. Chen will be saved from Communist Red China. Are you a sympathizer of Red China?

Maybe most chinese dont want reform like this man and he truly is a criminal.

For nearly 70 years, America has steadily declined as socialist politicians tax-and-spend until America is so broke she has to borrow from the Chinese.

Actually this started with Reagan and his administration.

Hahahaha! We caved to our masters....

Next headline: Obama Personally Issues Apology Demanded Earlier by China.

Hahahaha! We caved to our masters....

Next headline: Obama Personally Issues Apology Demanded Earlier by China.

Let's see. gOne4nOw, Chinese citizen takes refuge in the U.S. Embassy, in possible defiance of international law. U.S. Government declines to turn over the individual, instead intervenes diplomatically and obtains Chinese promise not to subject either the man or those who had aided him. U.S. issues an apology for any violation of Chinese sovereignty.

Sounds like a wash to me.

Yes Sir, the bathroom is just around the corner...here let me escort you

but in all seriousness...I doubt that that our News Media is any free-er or more reliable that their news organizations...but it has been reported that he didn't want to leave China, and that many of his supporters had "disappeared" and with wife and kids flapping in the breeze, I don't doubt that this was his own (only) choice...but I also bet there were more than a few sighs of relief in DC

Sounds like we now have submitted to rules of PETA....Catch and Re-Lease politics

Really, we don't know the whole story. We can speculate all day, but we just don't know.

many sighs of relief. the rockerfeller set. for buisness purposes. jeff immelt. mr. obama's job czar. an advocate of off shoring job's. not to mention the lefties. the fringe one's mr. obama pandors to. the abortion rights people. this guy's grusome message of forced abortions,and sterilization. for now we water it down with choice,genetic perfection,rape incest. when the common american's standard of living is where the common chinese is. the wealthy. whether right wing,or limosine liberal will have no problem with following china's lead in population growth control. yes many sighs of relief in washington today. nice job america.

I believe China and domestic terrorism are the #1/ #2 threat to America

99% of America's problems is the 99%...China is the only reason America isn't in the recycle center, and when China wants us there, that is where we will be...as for domestic terrorism, that was covered in the first part

Mr.PheaNiques-0000001, all of your posts have "1 vote". Coincidence?

I'm only picking on you cuz you said I "drink kool-aid", which I do not. :)

Domestic terrorism is probably my 100th problem on my list of chronological problems that America is facing, my number one issue being corruption in the Politics.

Why is everybody all ways pickin' on me...Actually I was replying to GVC, your post popped up after / before my post...but it seems someone might have a guilty conscience

Much ado about NOTHING. I don't care. And, why do the haters care? Because it gives another fake reason to mouth Obama. We need to take care of our own business and let other countries take care of theirs.

great idea tactical. however the politicians pandor to the wealthy. that are making great profit from cheap labor. exposing them,and the collusive chinese. is taking care of ourselves.

tactical unless u are one of the 15% of the whako's that mr. obama has pleased. the rest of us who voted for him are disilusioned. even his chief strategist. david axelrod has indicated that he cannot be reelected. on his performance so far. 3 1/2 years into this administration. the political jab's about the transporting of dog's. the pathetic attempt to push the buffet rule. that at best will decrease a 1+ trillion dollar deficit by 2-3 billion. his want to pandor to alternative fuels,and home improvement credits. will cost the tax payer more than the buffet rule would ever bring. no big ideas,no stimulus, no tax reform. in the senate,where his party is the majority. no vote on a budget. in fact it sit's on mr. harry reids desk. temporary low paying job's with the green initiative. persistent high unemployment. only masked by the fact that many have gone off the extended unemployment benefits. he lacks humility,in the osama bin laden deal. made auto workers look like he was the reason the car company's have had a good rebound. the truth there is they had made many concessions. before,and had to do so again in the buyout. they were the saviours not him,and mr. joe biden. he is in trouble. the right certainly has at the least a 15% bunch of whako's. that should be paid no heed either. the 70% left that are rational. believe the economy is the only issue. he is in trouble!!!!! i voted for him as a senator from ill. i voted for him in 2008. as it stands now. not again. i did this in 1980 also. this chen thing smells fishy. that won't endear him to the rational voter. the splinter groups don't elect the 70% do.

Sending him out of the US Emb/Peking is tantamount to sententing Chen Guancheng to prison for life- first to a hospital where he wi;ll be subjected to 'doctors' care to weed out any desires for freedom of expression- normal life- Obama/Clinton now have a track record of Human Rights for some and No Human Rights for those who truly deserve them. If Obama/Clinton did not want to give Chen a ray of hope in his escaping house arrest- the least they could have done is to direct him to an Embassy/Safe Haven- but no. They also condemned Chen's family and those helping him to a guaranteed life sentence. How cowardly- Chen did not ask for asylum.

mimi, after reading your post, perhaps he was trying to do like the monk back in the 60's in Viet Nam that set himself on fire. Perhaps this is an attempt to get world attention to what is happening in China, because for sure, the world IS WATCHING CHINA and I hope we start dealing with them appropriately.

I think he knew that asking for asylum in the U.S. Embassy was futile but did it anywaysto gain media attention and bring to light the human rights violations that are taking place in China. I don't think it was ever his intention to ask for political asylum. If you are truly an activist, you never escape the regime that oppresses you, you fight it in the land that the oppression is taking place.

The world is "watching China" from the a safe and deniable distance. No one is actually "watching" China without a wink and nod. They talk the talk, but none walks the walk. What are they going to do? Stop importing all Chinese goods. I can hear the bitching now,no more Ipad, Ipod, cheap clothes, the list goes on.

Everyone talks about doing something about China's treatment of people. I see China as the Leftist model of the U.S., Indoctrination schools, forced abortions, assigned jobs and faith in only the "great leader". Ever wonder why dictators are referred to as leftist? It's telling when Hugo Chavez jokes about being seen as further right than Obama.

"Everyone talks about doing something about China's treatment of people. I see China as the Leftist model of the U.S., Indoctrination schools, forced abortions, assigned jobs and faith in only the "great leader". Ever wonder why dictators are referred to as leftist? It's telling when Hugo Chavez jokes about being seen as further right than Obama."

Wow - that's quite a trip down the road of deluded paranoia ...
By chance, have you ever visited China? I know people who have left everything behind to get out of there. I would suggest talking to someone who is from there and ask them if they view the US has heading in the same directions you're suggesting.
I doubt they'll take you seriously.

Just the facts

You are absolutely correct. Fold and placate, that is the motto of this administration while allowing the immigration of 90,000 muslims each year and soon to be 150,000. Why the disparity in the way people are treated when wanting to come here. The south border lets anyone including terrorists that want to sneak in to have at it, yet a genuine political disedent fleeing oppression is "convinced" to go back?

Research what has happened to the people that assisted Chen in arriving @ the US Embassy...

They are ALL not answering their phones after reporting pending POLICE visits...

Currently - The US ambassador to Beijing, Gary Locke, telephoned the Washington Post newspaper to say he had Mr Chen in his car and was taking him to a medical facility in Beijing.

This was being reported on by; Channel News Asia, BBC, and the Bangkok Post

Electric Shock Treatments will be sure to help him. I mean he must have been insane to think that the US would be of any help.

Give a capitalist a profit and he will sell me the rope I hang him with....so said Lenin.

How many were murdered by the Communists and NAZIs because the Capitalist (profit over all other considerations) world financed them?

I think nothing will happen to him because media light is on him. He made it to international news, which was probably his intentions to begin with. On top of that he came to the U.S. embassy an immediate rival of China. He is an activist, his motive is to gain media attention, and that is why he refused to ask for asylum. Now that the cameras are on him, China will do nothing to him that will make him "disappear" in a sense. Can't say the same about other activists.

'Only an armed people can be the real bulwark of popular liberty.' ~ Vladimir Lenin

@MOSinEUR.... that is an absolutely genius insight. By your logic, it's not the person carrying the gun who is responsible for what he does with the gun. It's the responsibility of the person who sold him the gun.

When I sell you a rope, it's none of my business what you want to do with it. Just because one person out of 100,000 wants to use the rope to hang someone is no reason to put the government in charge of selling ropes.

Well Patrick, I think that if you are selling rope to a fanatic that likes to hang people and you happen to be one of the people that he likes to hang...well, STUPID is as STUPID does...and when they string you up, I don't feel sorry for you, only the millions of innocent they also hang.

Or in your case regarding guns...some dipstick is selling guns to an insane criminal organization and that organization goes after you and your family, isn't the dipstick that sold them the guns also guilty? I mean if the gun seller doesn't know any better, that is one thing, but in the case of the NAZIs and Lenin, BOTH told everyone that could read what their plans were and still the Capitalists and yes Jewish bankers as well, financed those that killed millions.

How is that, easier to understand?

I have no difficulty understanding. You're the one who missed my point. Maybe you're the one with the block.

You want to demonize the profit motive as the cause of all our problems, and the problem is much deeper than that. Putting government in charge of selling the ropes or the guns isn't going to change anything. All it will do is make the government more powerful than the governed. That worked out really well for the people of the Soviet Union and the rest of the former Communist Bloc in Europe. It's working out really well for the people of Cuba and China.

How is that, easier to understand?

MOSinEUR

Those that follow Lenin and his ilk are the biggest problem our country has. Maybe bigger than the war on Terror because it is an attack from within.

Patrick Hanna, I did not demonize the motivation for profit, what I demonize is those that WITH NO MORALS (under the guise of capitalism's desire to make the most profit possible) sell anything and everything to anyone that has money.

The US sold tech to the Chinese that gave them the ability to put an ICBM into your bath tub as well as 9 other cities. Once they had put MIRVs on mobile rocket launchers (so that we could not hit them), they then showed their skill by shooting down a satelite in orbit. Again, where did they get this tech?

Please do try to understand that there should be Government control that is in favor of NATIONAL security that stops the sales of expensive high tech (but we don't because we want to make a buck) and stop the import of foreign products that are made by slave like labor (wont stop that either because...guess again, we have people that want to make a buck).

Do you get the Lenin quote now?

Shaking my head, do you realize that without Socialists, the company owner could still have you shot for going on strike for better working conditions and to actually get paid in Dollars instead of company script that could only be used at the company store?

Really, how can Americans be so ignorant.

President Obama has not thrown anybody under the bus or to the lions. Chen is considered in China to be "on the run"- he is a Chinese fugitive. American officials have lied to China to say he wasn't there , while they were trying to get freedom for Chen. They were trying to get him to America- without China knowing. But somebody told on America.

Classy move Obama. Chen's organs are probably being sold on the free market by now.

Chen’s most passionate supporters were the Chinese netizen community. One netizen, He “Pearl” Peirong, provided logistic support for Chen’s escape, picking him up in Shandong province — where Chen and I both hail from — and taking him to Beijing.

I am awed by the courage of those who helped Chen escape. Pearl told me she is willing to die with Chen because he is such a “pure-hearted courageous person.” I was talking to her last week when she said “guo bao lai le,” that state security had arrived. Now, she is under arrest at an undisclosed location, and her blog has been erased.

Chen is often described as a “dissident,” but that is a misnomer. Despite years of brutal treatment for seeking to bring attention to those victimized by China’s “one-child” policy, he has never established a political party or organization. He has never advocated overthrowing the Communist Party. In the video he posted online after his escape, he says that the injustices his family experienced “hurt the image of our Party.” And the first thing he told me after escaping was that he wanted the outside the world to know that he was not going to leave China but to “fight to the end for the freedom of my family. . . . I want to live a normal life as a Chinese citizen with my family.”

Chen’s escape prompted a predictable brutal response. After police in Shandong realized — four days after Chen got away — that he was gone, they took Chen’s older brother and his nephew, Chen Guangfu and Chen Kegui, into custody. Media reports indicate that Chen’s mother, wife and 6-year-old daughter are tightly guarded by Chinese security forces...

Reference - http://www.chinaaid.org/2012/04/bob-fu-with-chen-case-us-credibility-is.html

obama has thrown chen's out of the bus to please china so it won't worsen US economy if china-US mutual relations strain due to chen's case. It's election year and is just around the corner,so he choose to sacrifice activist chen's in order to maintain good relationship with china to boost US economy in order to get reelect again.

On a dumb note: If we give Chen asylum, imagine how many other Chinese will follow his foot steps, expect U.S. population to increase to 1.3 billion by the next ten years. Politics are complicated, and as far as we know, he never asked for asylum.

First go to UK Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/may/01/obama-clinton-china-human-rights-video then read Chinese stance re:Chen http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99/ID/707308/US-embassy-in-a-quandary-over-Chen.aspx now to to International Herald Tribune- Asia- breaking news-at the bottom. ..Chen left of his own volition after 6 days at the Embassy- US Emb.staff assisted his entry FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT- this was only for a temporary basis- facilitated Chen's admission into hospital for medical treatment and for re-uniting with his wife and child (not seen them in a couple of years). HRC made sure Chen and family relocated into safe area and Chen bweing admitted into a university to study. EU news say it all- US Potamkin stage props .

and why is it America's job to further Chinese domestic priorities? If all the dissidents are given asylum, who is left there to fight the government? The Chinese government waters the seeds of revolt by cracking down on its people (I forgot you right-wingnuts never learned American political theory).

Just like the worthless Batista-Cubans that ran to Florida and demanded that the US remove Castro, they should have stayed in Cuba and done thier own dirty work.

War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war."

For a up-date on China's Military 'THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA'.. see - http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/

China's missile defense is based on the DF-21d, which has the capability to pushing the US Navy out of the China Sea and almost to Australia and well beyond Japan...

"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War... see http://weapons.technology.youngester.com/2010/08/df-21d-chinese-aircraft-carrier-killing.html

The next World War will be fought over 'Natural Resources' and China and Russia will be key players...

ASEAN is already consolidating to fight the China claims on the resources of the South China Sea & Mekong River. It is not just the Philippines, it is; Cambodia, Japan, India, Indonesia, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Tibet, Vietnam, etc, who are disputing land areas/resources, that China also claims...

Remember when Russia planted their flag on the Arctic Ocean floor @ the North Pole??? They claimed ALL of the oil/NG and resources in the Arctic. Which may contain a quarter of the world's untapped petroleum reserves. Basing this claim on their Continental Shelf that extends down the Lomonosov Ridge to between Greenland & Iceland... see http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/arctic.htm

Chen probably now has been imprison in a secret jail location somewhere in china because he uncovered china ugly secret to the world. China top leaders now will be very furious of chen's acts and will surely torture him.

Do you want to buy a bridge?

I bet you would have a different opinion if this was a Mexican activist in Mexico wanting asylum.

Tired, I believe you are correct. This man really is a hero and with the world watching, he MAY really get something that NEVER happens in China and that is fair treatment.

You can speak your mind without being arrested by the government, because what you say is either ignored or not heard by enough people to matter or threaten the "business as usual" status quo.

If your speech ever became a threat to the system, you would be labeled a "terrorist" and under National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 be arrested and taken away to a military prison. Expect no trial and expect having no rights.

They told our tragic hero if he did not leave the embassy they would beat his wife to death. This information was told to him by U.S. personnel, as he states to news media. Alas it is not so; say representatives of U.S. embassy. He sees not his tormentor nor do they reveal themselves, for fear of the Red Dragon. Below someone states we allowed this to happen because we must. The sacrifice of the one outweighs the needs of the many, he resigns to his fate. Will America bow their head also and not interfere in China's affairs?

wowza..

i am glad someone is paying attention...i am scared

the young ppl are just starting to riot...will only get worse

greed failed democracy..but we will fight to bring it back.

i can't wait till the day the world says we are being too "harsh and violating citizens rights" and decides to launch help aid with military intervention....

..it's coming. u reap what u sow

Research - Brooksley Born 1999- 'The Warning'... see http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/

Research - Chinagate... see http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml

Research - Obama sues CitiBank from Red-Lining, forcing banks to write low income mortgages... see http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-fought-mortgage-red-lining

Research - Barney Frank/Chris Dodd - In 2003 they didn't see a crisis... see http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/wrecks_lies_and_barney_frank.html

Now tell me again how the Republicans caused the mortgage melt-down???

i will be on the front line fighting for democracy...and i will shoot when i see the whites of your eyes

Wowza.

Clinton gave everyone a house who couldn't afford it. Investment companies bundled all those bad loans together and called them 'Mortgage Backed Securities'. People who couldn't afford their houses and the 'securities' went bad. THE DEMOCRATS started the snowball rolling down the hill by allowing anyone who couldn't afford a house, to get one. The Democrat Party has been ambushed by Socialistic Progressives who even call themselves 'Progressive Democrats'. It may be too late already I am afraid. Now China tells us what to do. This guy and his family are history and you know it. The Democrats sold their lives for money. Freedom has finally failed.

cincytoy you just threatened to shoot another American because he disagrees with you. You sound like a Progressive Democrat.

A local Academic has stated that ALL the World's current Political Systems and Societies have FAILED...

Due to the three G's: Greed, population Growth, and the income Gap...

The Arab Spring and the EU riots were the warning signs, of what is coming...

Hey Pilgrim, you live in a nation that murders, assassinates and tortures its own people and tens of thousands 'all over the world.' A nation that has murdered some 3.9m people in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and let's not forget the 1.4m people slaughtered in Iraq and thousands more in AF/PAK, Somalia, Yemen, Lebanon and places 'known only to God.' Then, it finances the murder, maiming, torture and demolition of thousands of Palestinians homes through its 'highly' murderous Jewish hemmorhoid ally and here you are 'preaching to the choir' about nasty China?!! You need to 'peck out' an apology and ask the world's forgiveness for the murder and mayhem the United Snakes (US/Israel/NATO) have committed in Libya last year - and continues arming 'rebel's and promoting murder and mayhem in Syria this year. Yup, like my grandmother used to say: "The skunk doesn't smell under its own tail.' :)

in 1990. mr. h.w. bush announced a new world order. mr. geithner,mr. bernahke,and mr. larry summers. were instructed by the rockerfeller set. to give our currency,technology,and possibly our gold to china. the members of the rockerfeller set. are park ave.,and hampton limosine liberals. mr. geithner,and mr. bernahke. work now for mr. obama's administration. this is the only thing that the 2 parties can agree on. eliminating the working class in america was tantamount. to establish the one world ideaology. proliferated by the wealthy. in which,mr. bill gates would be a pimple on their backside. control like china has is the secret to this one world. if peole are able to control their own destinies. even the wealthy can't stop them. fair wages. longevity on the factory floor,and a genorous company paid pension,and health care. kept these treasoness scum from controlling the world. how ironic that the common man was these ilk's biggest enemy. the right,and the left are complicite in this treason. if we let them sell us off further to china. a revolt against these people will be impossible. these treasoness scum deserve the same treatment the rosenberg's got in the 50's. this mr. chen was going to make a lot of people uncomfortable. whether or not he applied for asylum or not. from the very rich. to the fringe group whako's that mr. obama enables. mr. chen's message of forced abortion,and steralization. would not have played well in the lefty circles. it may have put a spotlight on what is to come in america eventually. as our standard of living is commensurate with the current chinese common man. good luck mr. chen. not all american's are spineless. just those in high places.

Wowza, a lot of what you said is true (if a bit disorganized). I'm neither a lib nor a con. (nor a communist or socialist either)

Honestly, it has taken a joint effort by Democrats and Republicans to destroy this country. Consider that World War II was like a windfall inheritance by the US: we had 50% of world production because rest of world was destroyed or undeveloped. We acted since 1945 like this would never change; building vast highways that are now clogged up with traffic (when the bridges are not falling apart).

Guess what-it has changed and now we are starting to pay the price for living large in the past. And the chickens are only now STARTING to come home to roost. The worst is yet to come and it doesn't matter much WHO gets elected President. Even a great president could only delay, not stop, the decline.

lol. nice

The idea is that we do RESTRICTED business in the effort to open the Chinese up to other ideas.

Given the amount of Chinese I see at every tourist place in Europe, I would have to assume that the Chinese are more free than under Mao, so perhaps the infection of "Free Will and Democracy" will get the Chinese to move from a repressive government and military to one that really cares about the individual.

It really is better to have contact with China vs. the specter of a dead Earth due to nuclear war. I just would not sell them tech that they can use to put 20 mega ton missiles onto anyone. I mean, what else would the Chinese use our supper computers for? Better calculators?

i agree. they are killing our dogs..i would shoot someone in the face for my dog's life...but we continue to put up with this bs...it's bs.

Actually we do need them. Most Americans can barely afford to buy the 'cheap crap', much less more expensive American made products. The ones who can afford to do so usually opt not to in order to save money. It's our own fault, labor unions and general attitudes toward work among US citizens (not necessarily bad, but do effect prices) have caused the prices of making anything ourselves to skyrocket. Stupid politicians and naive consumers allowed America to become dependant on cheap stuff instead of working to fix our own market's flaws. Everything is so globally tangled trade-wise it would be next to impossible to cut China off at this point seeing as how it's one of if not THE largest market in the world.

Welcome to the real world...made in China :(

China "owns" us...and it our fault.

if u read up the way. mr. t.b. austin has all the answers. china does not own us. it is our paranoia. they are a country that provides us with cheaper goods. yet our goods are not affordable to their market. they have devalued their currency. so that our ship's leave our ports empty. come back full. i assume that mr. austin just calls this good buisness practices. it is funny,peculiar. in 1972 when cho-en-lai. (american educated) contacted the west. in a desperate plea. for help. mao was a nut, his people were starving etc.... that 40 years later they are an economic super power. t. b. one question do u work for jeff immelt?

Maria, if you bought anything from Walmart, you bought cheap and it was at a cost of American Jobs when you sent American dollars to China. Even the computer you are presently using was either made or has parts made in China.

Everyone wants to blame China, but they continue to by crap from China and then when Occupy people try to block the harbors from delivering the crap to the stores, the "good old Americans" want the police to crack heads. From Rich to Poor, we need to change what we buy and IF POSSIBLE, buy American or European.

they sure don't have to keep them from leaving our ports. they leave the u.s. empty.

You obviously don't understand the whole international picture.

Get a clue. Oh, wait faux news has brainwashed you too (but then you'd need to have a brain)

Another brilliant post from the left.

Chen should be glad he was not Hillary's lawyer (White Water) or one of Bill's security guards...

Clinto Body Count... see http://patriotnewsalert.com/ClintonBodyCount-Version2.htm

What do you expect from the likes of Hillary, considering she was from Arkansas (Walmart HQ) and sat on their board, and made money from China, due to Walmart.

Clinton would throw Chelsea under the bus to make a buck from China. To be fair, so would someone like Romney.