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Subscribe to RSSIf negotiations are successful, Chen Guangcheng's family will come to the U.S. on a student visa where he would study at NYU. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
Updated 08:31 a.m. ET: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said "progress had been made" on a deal over the future of Chen Guangcheng, telling reporters in Beijing she was encouraged by China's suggestions that the blind activist might be allowed to study abroad.
After she spoke, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told Reuters that Chen had been offered a fellowship from an American university, where he could be accompanied by his wife and two children.
"The Chinese Government has indicated that it will accept Mr. Chen's applications for appropriate travel documents. The United States government expects that the Chinese government will expeditiously process his applications for these documents, and make accommodations for his current medical condition," she added.
"The United States government would then give visa requests for him and his immediate family priority attention," Nuland said.
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U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner left, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, center, and Chinese Vice-Premier Wang Qishan, right, at a closing ceremony of the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue in Beijing Friday.
Clinton said efforts would continue to finalize an agreement over Chen's future, adding that the U.S. ambassador had visited the dissident in hospital.
"We have been very clear and committed to honoring his choices and our values," Clinton said of Chen.
Signs of a deal will provide relief to both the Obama administration -- which feared the case would overshadow the ongoing economic talks, Clinton's main purpose in China -- and the Chinese, who were reportedly keen to resolve the issue while saving face.
Earlier, Chen told The Associated Press that friends who had tried to visit him “have been beaten,” his wife Yuan Weijing had been followed and U.S. officials had been prevented from seeing him in person.
Carlos Barria, Reuters
A doctor from the U.S. embassy arrives Friday at the Chaoyang Hospital, where blind activist Chen Guangcheng is staying.
He added that he had spoken to U.S. officials by phone, but “the calls keep getting cut off after two sentences.”
“Basically I am very worried. Okay? … It is very dangerous here,” Chen told the AP, before the line went dead.
Chen, 40, is a legal activist from Shandong province who campaigned against forced abortions under China's "one-child" policy.
On April 22, he escaped 19 months of house arrest, during which he and his family faced beatings and threats. Supporters then said he was in the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, which he left after six days to go to the hospital on Tuesday this week after receiving assurances from the Chinese authorities.
Chinese crackdown on dissident's family and friends
He Peirong, an activist who helped Chen escape from house arrest and drove him to Beijing was released by police Friday. She was taken away by police last Saturday. She tweeted at about 3 a.m. ST that "I'm back, everything is ok, thank you.” She declined to comment to NBC News.
Blind activist Chen Guangcheng: 'I want to leave China on Hillary Clinton's plane'
Lawyer Jiang Tianyong, another of Chen’s friends, was arrested by police Thursday evening and told NBC News Friday afternoon that he had been beaten up. He lost his hearing temporarily and is undergoing a medical check-up now, accompanied by police.
Amid the continuing concern over what will happen to Chen and his supporters, Clinton and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner met Wen in the pavilion, a ceremonial reception hall in the style of a Chinese pagoda, nestled by pine trees and a lake in the middle of Beijing.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected to speak out about Chen Guangcheng, the blind Chinese dissident who is seeking to travel to the United States. NBC's Ian Williams reports.
"This round of the dialogue is highly productive. I can say we achieved rich fruit in this round and some of those are important breakthroughs,” Wen said, according to a translator.
"What is the secret behind the sustained and the steady growth of the Strategic and Economic Dialogue [formal name for talks between the two countries]? I believe the most important thing is that we respect each other and treat each other as equals and have accommodated each other's major concerns,” he added.
China censors 'Shawshank' as Clinton heads to Beijing amid dissident drama
Clinton's prepared remarks for the meeting did not specifically mention Chen, but did say that the responsibilities of a "great nation" included "protecting the fundamental freedoms of all citizens at home."
"All governments have the responsibility of addressing their citizens' aspirations for dignity and rule of law. These are not Western values -- they are universal rights that apply to all people in all places," she said.
Blind activist: Chinese officials threatened my wife
CNBC's John Harwood reports the latest developments in the case of Chinese dissident, Chen Guangcheng's dramatic plea for help in a cell phone call to Congress.
She also talked about North Korea, Iran, Syria, and the Sudan-South Sudan conflict, describing them as "four hotspots" that "are some of the most pressing challenges we face."
Guo Yushan – who was released by police two days ago after helping Chen get to Beijing -- said in a posting on Twitter that on Chen’s first day in the hospital “some unpleasant things happened, bringing some inconvenience and misery to him and his family, making them feel anxious and nervous.”
Blind dissident's case a 'hot potato' for US-China relations
“Among all these things, he worried most about the threat from some Shandong officials to his wife Yuan Weijing,” Guo said, according to a translation. “He hopes that, under massive attention from global public opinion, the Chinese government can abide by the law and deal properly with Shandong local officials' illegal persecution on him and his family.”
Guo said that his friend was “very grateful to the world media's attention and care, and hopes that the media can understand his current complex and delicate situation, and completely understand and respond to his expression and the corresponding emotions.”
University of California, Irvine, economics professor Peter Navarro and Scott Paul of the Alliance for American Manufacturing discuss the latest wrinkle in US-China relations after Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng asked for asylum in America.
“He did not want to make all his friends who helped him, and are helping him, feel embarrassed and have misunderstandings, for example, the U.S. Embassy's help in the past, he never criticized it, on the contrary, he is only grateful for it. Thank you everyone,” Guo said.
Guo declined to comment to NBC News.
Gu Bo, of NBC News, other NBC News staff, and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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RED China is very dangerous. Any one that does not believe this is a moron.
Even so, I'm not sure that we should be in the business of giving aid and asylum to their morons.
Funny how Secretary Clinton mentioned hot spots: Syria, Iran, North Korea. These nations still have trading with China, against western sanctions. North Korea, especially, would fall without support from China.
allthumbs
The bussiness we shouldn't be in is the Free-Trade business with China. It was a dumb move from the start, Bush's corporate tax cuts and loopholes only made it worse and made America more vulnerable, and it will never end and this economy will never return to the glory of the late 1990s.... all becuase... it's CHINA, you morons.
China has never, does not now, and never will be interested in what's good for the U.S. economy or it's citizens. They are in this for the communist regime of China and only the communist regime of China. The Chinese government is not concern with how their trade practices adversly affect the U.S. economy, instead, they wear it as a badge of honor.
It has been barely over a decade since this ridiculous farce has catapulted their nation and economy to the forefront of international trade, and they're already more than willing (have done so on several occassions) to condescend to Americans (U.S. government, citizens, businessmen, and corporations all the same) about how our incompetence and intellectual inferiority has led to our demise. And, they are absolutely 100% correct.
Today's China is not our ally. They never have been and never will be. Free-trade with them is the most idiotic economic move that has ever been made in the history of the U.S. government.
You get one guess as to why this is never, EVER, headline neews... and never will be.
I tip my hat to the communist nation, Red China. They've managed to do what no other nation (or union of nations) could do for the past six decades.... topple the economic empire of the United States of America. And, all they had to do was figure out who was really running our nation, then figure out which of those were willing to be among the first to sell it away for a quick buck (corporations, lobbyists, special interests, china nafta, tax cuts/loopholes, then outsourcing era).
Suck it up, America. There is not one single nation out there that will show us remorse. When we were bleeding and dying to prevent them from becoming German/Japanese/Italian colonies, or helping them to avoid the oppression of brutal dictators, or whatever... we were cool... but we used up our cool points long ago. The rest of the world is more than happy to see China and greedy international corporations bring the U.S. economy to it's knees.
I do have one question, though. How the hell did you morons (fellow Americans) let these snakes convince you that this was all about some housing bubble? LMAO... and so the Empire of morons falls in very appropriate fashion. R.I.P. American stability, long live the new cornerstone of the world economy and Democracy (oh, wait... there isn't one. Herp Derp, who's laughing at who, again, now? R.I.P. Democracy).
X_box,
Democracy lives! Declare bankruptcy and start over.
Very dangerous in what sense? Just because another country doesn't want to play the role of US lap dog doesn't mean something sinister is going on and it doesn't mean that country is "dangerous" in the sense that you mean. That goes for China, or India, or Egypt or any other country that is simply trying to advance its own interests so that their people have a better future. Could this bring these countries into disputes with the United States? But a dispute doesn't mean open armed conflict - strange idea I'm sure.
And what exactly would we GAIN from starting a war with China? What would the CHINESE gain from starting a war with US? I think both sides know that a war would be cataclysmic not just for those two countries but probably for the human race. Its a zero-sum game in other words. China knows that war would be disasterous...so its pretty inaccurate to pretend as though every dispute that arises is evidence of some underlying military confrontation just waiting to explode into open warfare. That isn't the case at all...
The US should first improve its own human rights, avoid incidents such as Trayvon Martin and Rodney King, before worrying about other countries.
Have the people who comment here ever been to China? I have.The simplistic and antiquated view of "Red China",barely describes this huge,complex and evolving country. It is rapidly changing as economics,technology,and cultural forces re-shape the society.Like it or not,China is a soverign nation and major world player. The US should focus on those facets of our relations with China that it can affect.The population control policies of the Chinese may be abhorrent to our values and culture,but given the sobering reality of 1.7 billion people, the Chinese have adopted a 1 child per family policy. It is their perogative and business to do so.We are best served by accepting the things we cannot change and focusing on those issues...trade,monetary policy,NorthKorea,Iran.....we can change.Secretary Clinton understands these realties and her comments and actions thus far are consistent with maintaining a working relationship with the Chinese.Paradoxically, an engaged China is the best hope for a more free and open China. A society that will provide a safer environment for the Mr.Chen's of that country to disagree with the government's policies.
Pig: This is not the same thing, Not even close.
MrGeek is right - a similar example would be the firing of Dan Rather because he exposed Bush leaving the military during the Viet Nam war to go work on someone's campaign. Or maybe a better example would be assassinating Dr King for campaigning for Civil Rights (and JFK for similar reasons)
but the Dan rather example is the most recent (or Gitmo is the best, since we can lock up other people citizens without trial for years...going on decades)
The guy and his friends and family are being beaten and threatened by the Communist Government, he has reached out to America for help and we as a nation need to realize our response means something.
Are we a country who talks of freedoms, and human rights, but turns our back to this protester for the sake of money and business as usual? Talk is cheap, what actions are we willing to take?
For the first time ever I kind of agree with Dylan Ratigan, we look weak and foolish, the world sees we now care more about business dealings and not getting anyone mad then we do human rights and the lives of people.
Mr Geek...Travon Martin is a lot worse than Chen and so was Rodney King.Martin is dead and King was savegely beaten by the police.....neither of which Mr. Chen has experienced.
Pigotry;
There is a huge difference between the acts of individuals and the systematic policy of government to deny human rights. For example, do either of the cases you mention have a seal of government approval? No, they do not. You seriously think Martin and King, are the same as systematic policies denying human rights to billions of people, enforced by the Chinese military? Narcissistic much? And hardly the same thing.
Pigotry, ya left out torture of SUSPECTED terrorists--thus innocent people were tortured by us.
And, then, there is the book: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins, that tells how he was recruited by the United States National Security Agency while on the payroll of an international consulting firm for the purpose of making emerging, strategic nations financially dependent on us. Neat, huh? Good ol' capitalism.
This is so wrong
MrGeek is right - a similar example would be the firing of Dan Rather because he exposed Bush leaving the military during the Viet Nam war to go work on someone's campaign. - Rather was FIRED because the "proof" of Bush leaving was a document that was completely fake. What he did was fraud, he used a fake document and tried to sell a story from it. Besides all that he was fired by HIS EMPLOYEER not the government. Or maybe a better example would be assassinating Dr King for campaigning for Civil Rights (and JFK for similar reasons) - King was assassinated by a racist gunman, not the local government.
but the Dan rather example is the most recent (or Gitmo is the best, since we can lock up other people citizens without trial for years...going on decades) - The people locked up are checked on by international human rights groups. They have recently been giving Military overviews, and in some cases trials. What we haven't done is gone and beaten their family members as a retaliation.
The Chinese COMMUNIST government is arresting, and beating a guy and his family for disagreeing with the government. We in America have issues with our government, but is not even similar in any way, shape, or form, as what goes on in China.
the-x-box-360 i agree with a lot of what you say. we let the greedy totally run and ruin our country.
The international banksters that hate America and American workers so much they moved all our jobs over there to maximize their profits are very dangerous. They should be forced to give up their profits and move to China along with anybody that blames the Chinese for the infinite greed of the ruling NWO spawn that financed and profited from both sides of every war since 1913.
You idiots equating what China is doing to America is stupid and ignorant. Not even Liberal media host like Dylan Ratigan agree with you. There is a huge difference in what you are talking about and what happens in China. If we were like China your stupid posts that are critical of some of the U.S. policies would be taken down, you would be arrested, beaten, and made to watch your family be beaten as well for your views.
None of you idiots has the balls to criticize CHINA! You all just post your views of what America does wrong and turn a blind eye to the guy and family being beaten in China. YOU'RE ALL COWARDS! You proteston the streets of America like you are some brave warrior, but you know you face no punishment here. Why don't you fakes go and protest in China if we are no better then them and see what happens to you. FAKES! OCCUPY BEIJING if you have any balls. All B.S. talk with nothing to back it up. Dylan Ratigan's guest got it right - Shameful.
earsport;
Chen hasn't experienced it, YET. And I suppose the riots after the King incident and the many who were also savagely beaten by the rioters was okay in your book, even though they had nothing to do with it. And the threats to kill all white people by the new black panthers, among others, in the Tryvon Martin case, was the "civilized" way to deal with the situation, right? Again, whites, in general, had nothing to do with the case. Not even close to the same as government sanctioned systematic "disappearing" of dissidents.
The only reason Chen is still breathing is the attention the media has focused on him. Once the media leaves and is barred, as they generally have been from reporting on "internal" Chinese affairs, if Chen remains in China, he will meet soon enough with some unfortunate "accident".
LogicReguired, no one is saying we are no better than China, we are just saying that some things are the same, such as torture and Republican Administrations who have been immune to prosecution for war crimes (such as torture, domestic spying, outing a NOC CIA agent, her front corporation, every agent who worked under that umbrella organization and all contacts abroad, as well as using the Ignoble Lie to scare the nation into a preemptive attack on a nation that was no threat to us, the imprisoning of political prisoners (such as Don Siegelman), protection of terrorists (such as Luis Posada Carriles), etc. There is more, but that's enough for now.
I don't understand why the US has to get involved in this, for one, we are not the world police and two, you don't fugg with the people that invented gunpowder.
We have own problems here at home to deal with .... so, when will that start happening?
Wise up. Obama is modeling this country after China. There the government controls "everything", how many children you can have, how much food you eat, what you read, see, or hear in "their" media, etc. Does NBC news have a station there?
The Jazzman, "We have own problems here at home to deal with .... so, when will that start happening?"
As soon as the conservatives in Washington stop representing Wall Street and start representing the people.
That picture if very telling. For one thing I guess this is how you look when dealing with someone you owe trillions to. What is Geithner doing in China? Borrowing more for Obama to buy votes with? This is just another bow down blown diplomatic mess as usual in this administration.
What is really telling is all the anti-conservative posts on her saying we have our own problems to deal with, hmmmm, aren't these they guys that keep calling conservatives heartless? Their spin is never ending, even using their own words against themselves. I think they will have to declare that Narwhal room a failure too.
This situation HAS the potential to become a defining diplomatic incident. This man went publicly to the US Embassy asking for help. At that point all news cameras turned on HIM. If this man HAD not done what he did he would have been secretly hauled back off to prison and disappeared forever.
Ambassador Clinton is handling this in the right way, schmoozing and soothing this Dictator into allowing this man to come to the US. I am impressed with her efforts, Clinton and President Obama know exactly how dangerous this situation is for this man. They both risk criticism if they DON'T help him. Hopefully, soon he will be swooped out of there and he won't have to live in fear anymore. The US has the responsiblity to help those who RUN to the US embassy and state that they are in fear of their life. Let him come to the US.
This guy is a trouble maker, in yesterdays article he demanded the US assist him "demanded" ? who is he to demand? is he a US citizen? no! what he is is a disgruntled Chinese non conformist! and a dangerous one at that, knowingly putting friends and family in harms way to serve his agenda, he is insultingly demanding and has two governments frustrated. the man is a trouble maker that's why he was under house arrest to begin with, and the Chinese government knows he will continue to pursue his cause no matter where he is, this is a internal matter for China and the US has no business getting involved its not our job.
What a pathetic way to let him go to study what? like if every person in the world are stupid. why not to admit that dictatorialship is wrong? stupid commies high on their power and money.
maint China is very dangerous.Anyone who doesn't believe this is a moron. Well maint you're 100% correct, dangerous and stupid all at the same time.Not only is the Chinese Government dangerous and stupid,but so is every last American Corporation, American Individual holding a job or doing any other kind of business over there.These Americans aren't dangerous they're just the stupid and certified morons.They give to one country and it's corrupt government China, and rob another, their own the United States,and I'll throw being traitors in there also!They give ZERO back!
allthumbs,even so I'm not sure we should be giving aid to these morons.Really allthumbs, and why's that?Morons? The Chinese people are not morons.I've wrote some really derogatory remarks about the Corrrupt Chinese government, but never ever about it's people.So NO allthumbs they are not morons.As far as giving aid to this poor man,HELL BY ALL MEANS PLEASE DO! Remember part of poem, BY EMMA LAZOURUS,Give me your tired your poor,and your huddled masses,yearning to breath FREE!
Well allthumbs, that's what Mr. Chen is, tired, poor, and YEARNING TO BREATH FREE.He is a bigg big asset to China, and of course their Stupid Corrupt Govenmeent doesn't realize this, and he's also a danger to China,in it's present state.A danger of finally opening up the DOORS TO REAL FREEDOM OVER THERE.Mr. Chen is also LARGE ASSET OVER HERE.Not only over here, but for the WHOLE WORLD,because everybody is WATCHING, AND WAITING.
If mr.Chen comes here,yes he'll be on a Fellowship,but he will also be giving back three fold!
1.To China,his home country
2. To the United States the country, that gave him and his family assylum.
3. To the whole world as a shining example of Bravery,Fortitude, and most important of all for FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
Personally allthumbs and the rest of you people on here bashing the this man and the Chinese People, better learn to use their brains before they open their mouths.Because all of you have no freaken clue as to what the HELL you're talking about!THINK BEFORE YOU STEP IN IT!
I have yet to figure out why some cases get front page attention and the administration spotlight while others do not. We fly a jet to China with Hillary Clinton onboard to negotiate a deal for one Chinese dissident while over in Iran, an Iranian pastor is facing the gallows for daring to convert from islam to Christianity. And now his attorney has been sentenced to NINE YEARS in prison for defending him!
Where is the outrage over this case? Why do we fly the secretary of state to China to deal with a single dissident who is not under the sentence of death while virtually ignoring the abuses of Iran's regime? The only answer I can come up with is that the current administration wants to be seen as caring about "leftist" dissidents who challenge their governments, and they really could care less about a Christian pastor. The dissident is the image of the occupy protester, while the pastor represents the right wing and the tea party. It shames me to think our government would let this man hang for something we portent to support (religious freedom).
BS. stop making more of this then what it is, China has 1,400,000,000 people and they are trying to get the population under control, because they see the potential disaster lurking around the corner and this guy doesn't like the one birth rule, well that's to bad! when you have over three hundred people almost 400 per sq mile and they are eating each others pets you have to do something people need to eat , then there is the pending pandemic always threatening, let China run China, they have issues to deal with and this guy isn't helping, over population of the world is a real and serious problem that can effect us all. face it there are to damn many people on this rock. people are our biggest problem, what we need is a world wide spay and neuter program, knock the population levels back about 75% then hold it steady. we are cancer.
Perhaps China should interfere with our internal affairs as well. US has no moral high ground any where at this point. I don't get why when we have an ever increasing mountain of problems here in the US we need to immerse our self media and all in to another nations business, no matter how bad we may think it is.
SOME OF YOU like "LOGIC REQUIRED" think that America is not like China in its oppression of those who appose the government or the suppression of activists, perhaps not as open or severe but America is not far behind. Just a month or so ago police were pepper-spraying peaceful protesters directly in their face at a university in California, which was one of numerous incidents of abuse that occurred during these occupy protests. The occupy protesters were abused quite regularly. All I am saying is we need to butt out.
How much is this going to cost the US taxpayers?
PrettyToney19941994
For you and others that think China does not pose a danger you seem to forget what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1984 when students were shot to death during protests for democracy. China is starting to flex its muscle and where as before they were isolationist this is no longer the case. if North Korea, or Iran step up the game in their aggressiveness toward their neighbors (Israel and South Korea come to mind) it would create major issues with dealing with them if China protects and sides with them if we were to retaliate. The so called yellow threat from the east would become a reality. You have to wonder how we manage to take predictions made in the Mayan culture thousands of years ago and others made by Aristotle and twist our policies and beliefs to make these predictions come true.
This makes me sick!! What do we have to do with China's morons? And who Cares?
It looks like we are the trash collectors of the world for any garbage hanging around not wanting to conform with their country's laws.
SICK!
While our own students take out loans and load up on debt to get through college. What made this guy such an international celebrity?!
So this guy does not like the Law and wants to leave. Would not his and anyone else's permanent departure help with the countries over population problem? If over population is that big of a deal why not let all those who want to leave leave? Guessing that policing the peoples reproduction and killing babies is much easier and cheaper than just letting the people leave freely. Communism is a hell of a thing! choosing not to be a part of it takes away all that you have and everything you would have ever had.
bFromNJ,
Research Chinagate, then tell me about how China is not interfering with US policies & POTUS... see http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml
Even Hillary Clinton, was FORCED to return ILLEGAL China donations to her presidential campaign... see http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6643.html & http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704171004576149314143262114.html
not sure what should happen on this one. sneak him out of the country, i guess.
Chen was already in the US embassy after "escaping" house arrest. Rather stupid that he left and now decides he wants assylum.
First of all he is an activist and a dissident. All I see is he ran to the US for asylum. This the only thing that is being shown to us. What I would like to know is what did he do in his country to be under house arrest and under guard. Embassy people are usually pretty keen as to what is going on in the country their in. I feel there is a lot more going on than meets the eye.
Liar, they threatened to harm his family if he didnt leave the embassy. How heartless are you that you would remain safe while your family is tortured?
I agree with Ru. Chen should have escaped to the embassy with his family. (Of course, we don't know how many people are in his family.)
We are getting too involved with other countries problems. Why should an AMERICAN university grant him a fellowship? When we find out which one, and people continue to give money to this institution, they are morons as well. Let me stay in China. We do not need another one here in the US...have too many now.
So nice to see our tax dollars getting wasted on this bs that isn't our problem. Forget about helping people in our own country but bend over backwards to help none citizens.
The irony is that this guy and his family are probably coming here to spy on us for the Chinese. Want to bet that's part of the deal to get permission to leave China? He's already been caught outright lying about conversations that never happened with State Dept. personnel. Why do we even want this guy here? So far he's cost us millions in time and effort and screwed up our already fragile relationship with China. Nice going.
China is stupid. You are not smart enough to dictate how the economy should work, or what people should think, or even how to control public opinion. Their ideas are backwards and wrong.
You mean like Obama has been trying to do?
Why is Clinton all of a suden anti-abortion? Is she being told to be anti-woman by the administration?
No one in the US is for forced abortion or sterilization. What people in this country are for is choice.
Liar Liar, pants on fire. I am being forced to pay for abortions FORCED.
Give me a break! We're being forced to pay for parochial schools.
Federal funds can not be used to pay for abortions. I wish the same option was available to me to not have my money spent to pay for unnecessary wars.
And I am being forced to pay for a national day of prayer, whats your point?
In case you missed it during your homeschooling, this is a democracy of FREE people and we have choice.
On a side note, anyone catch Romney politicizing this issue after he spent a week crying about Obama politicizing foreign policy...hypocrite much?
You probably missed to Sandie Flukie memo. Pony up your tax dollars please. The country is on a track similar to Germany in the 1930's. Government abortions abound.
Katlan, you are delusional. How are you being forced to pay for abortions?
A lot of minority and handicap american were steralized by North carolina against their wishes!!
Gee I'm a dissident here in the USA. I think god was invented by the greediest of men and is a form of brain washing. We have the god of the synagogue of Satan on our dollar bills. I believe the true rulers of the US (International Banksters) that make Bush and Obama their lap dogs use religion, Federal Reserve fiat money system and the military police state government to enslave and destroy me. Are there any Republican conservatives out there that want to pay my way to China or Russia and get me a scholarship there?
Pissedoffperson;
Now, expand the practice to every person in a nation of 1.7 billion, without recourse because it's law. Aren't leftist communist regimes great?
Katlan Jones, who do you want to be paying for your abortions I wonder?
What is your problem? If I had an abortion I wouldn't be surprised if I had to pay for it!
China is full of problems, and I feel badly for this guy. But this is an internal issue of a large sovereign nation. Why are we involved? What would we do if China tried to get involved in our internal issues? Don't we have enough problems right here that need our attention?
Our government should stay the heck out of other countries and their citizens business, especially China!
Foreigner's better THINK again about coming to America because Americans are being LOCKED UP for expressing their dislike for what is happening to the Middle Class. Just this week end, Police were going around in NY, arresting citizens they KNEW were going to be involved in the 99% Protest that took place, especially if they had OUTSTANDING tickets for Petty misdemeanors! Here is part of the Article:
NYPD Visits Occupy Activists at Home Before May Day Actions
In New York City, police officers visited the homes of at least three Occupy activists on Monday and nterrogated them about plans for May Day. In one case, police broke down the door to the home of a Brooklyn activist at six in the morning, ostensibly to serve an arrest warrant on his roommate for a six-year-old open-container violation. They then questioned the activist about his plans for May Day. Meanwhile, other Occupy organizers are predicting a large day of action. Yoni Miller is an activist with Occupy Wall Street.
Until Americans are treated better and FAIRLY, our Government should stay out of RESCUING Foreigner's, because the SAME BEHAVIOR is taking place on our soil. Freedom of Speech my foot, our butts will be LOCKED up too, if we PROTEST too much!
I am absolutely appauled with Mr. Romney's statement regarding Activist Chen & the Obama administration.!!! Get a grip, this is about a humanitarian effort to help this man and his family who are in serious danger for standing up for what they believe in.If you read the story, Chen left his wife alone to go see the rest of his family & returned to find his wife had been beaten, for his beliefs. Do you really think that our country helping this family out is going against the foundation set forth in our constitution? If anything this is a wonderful opportunity to enhance to the rest of the world how lucky we as AMERICANS are to have so much LIBERTY & FREEDOM!!!
The ignorance and haste used by Mr. Romney was in very poor taste. He is an opportunist out of touch with humanity! I have no respect for a man that would use such an issue to "bash" the current administration in hopes of driving his campaign.
Just a suggestion , maybe a display of EMPATHY or SYMPATHY for this man and his family would win more votes. For the PEOPLE.... Our next president is going to have to deal with world leaders abroad. So Mr. Romney....I would encourage you to look up these words in the dictionary, HUMANITY, HUMAN RIGHTS, EMPATHY, SYMPATHY, & most important FREEDOM!!!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
Why don't you just run out today and, after you hug your quota of trees, find a homeless person, no FAMILY and invite them into your home to live and get away from the danger and evil they face daily? Now, you have an opportunity to show your empathy and sympathy and let the rest of the people on here see that you truly believe what you say. What's that? Oh, as long as it doesn't affect your life. Got it. Did you vote Democrat per chance?
Which statement would that be? He criticized the way the admin is handling the situation, endangering Chen and his family. I'd say that's EMPATHY for Chen. Not that I'm a big Romney fan, but I do like to see a little integrity from some polarizing posters.
That is just it....he does not live in a country with Freedom/Liberty. Everytime someone does not like the way their country is run, they come to US for asylum. Well, its time to cease and dissist in helping these people. they need to stay and work within their system. if it works, fine, if not, then learn to deal with it. I feel for him and his family but don't feel bad enough to grant him a job and a place to live when so many of our own people are without jobs and no place to call home.
How schizophrenic of the u.s..
So what business is this of ours? He's an educated Chinese adult, knew he was on our sovereign soil but fled it after changing his mind - making the new decision to stay in China and work as a dissident from within. All he wanted was protection from us for he and his family while he was in China! Oh Really! That's all. THIS GUY FLIPS AND FLOPS MORE THAN OUR MITT ROMNEY, WHO FEELS IT NECESSARY TO MAKE BOLD STATEMENTS AS THE SITUATION UNFOLDS - IN CHINA! Mitt doesn't even have the brass to criticize in details, nor make any recommendations of his own. One does not do this to our people until they're back in their own country Mitt.
Mitt Romney is simply an opportunist in the worst sense of the word. The only thing he apparently strongly believes in is money. I'm really not worried that he is ultra conservative or pushing an ultra conservative agenda. What I am concerned with is that he actually doesn't care about much of anything but money so when other politicians push their social darwinist agendas he will do nothing to prevent it. He is not anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-child, or racist. He is not pro anything (other than wealth accumulation) either. That's a pretty empty vessel.
Romney, ultra-conservative? You really don't have a clue.
Try again - and read the full post. I'm not worried that he is ultra conservative because clearly he is not. He has no guiding personal, political or social principles. He has no beliefs one way or the other except when it involves the acquisition of money. In the absence of some philosophy of social order he simply can not lead a country. President of the US is a much more complex job than CEO.
Try again-Romney implemented universal health care in Mass. How does that fit in with you post?
POTUS is a much more complex job than a CEO? Pres. Obama was a community organizer, state & US senator for a short period. How did that qualify him for the job? At least Romney was a state governor. Again, not that I'm a fan of his, I just wanted to point that out.
Exactly my point - he does what is politically expedient always. Pro Romney care; anti Obama care - just depends on the audience.
Chen says the situation is very dangerous but he's flip-flopped so many times and made exaggerated/misleading statements on this, what business do we have even getting involved in his relationship with his own government? Romney and his Republican mouth pieces should stay out of this - unless they have some alternative/detailed process they'd like us to consider. Note that they never say what they would do when criticizing others. This is because they don't really know, nor care. They just want to take cheap shots at this President and his administration. When someone says to me "you're doing it all wrong," I want to know how they would do it differently.
Thank You John! All they do is throw CHEAP SHOTS, ask them what they will do, "I'll Get back to you later, " and NEVER DO! But as soon as they get in MAJORITY position, they truly SHOW US, what they will do, and that is, Kick us all to the curb, except for the top 1%, while they loot, invade other countries, then kill, steal, and loot some more!
ALL we need in the USA is ANOTHER person dragging and getting DISABILITY BENEFITS and anything free they could apply for. THEN get a business loan and have a restaurant in YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD where YOU could not get money to start a business and YOU LIVE HERE...LET HIM STAY THERE AND APPLY FOR FOODSTAMPS AND DISABILITY...we DON"T NEED TO GET ALL IN THAT...send him to SOUTH KOREA......that works for everyone.....or TIBET with the Monks..meditation is a good thing.
US gettin played like SUCKERS!!!!
Jeez could Clinton look any uglier?
There is no room on Hillary's plane for him. The only available space is used to store the Wide Load sign they use after hillary leaves the dinner table.
I would like to know why we object to forced abortion in China, yet we force taxpayer here at home to pay for the Sandie Flukies of the world to have their abortions. Not much different from the Nazi's.
You must be kidding? There is a HUGE difference between a woman's reasonable right to choose and a forced abortion. Only a "Nazi" would force a woman to bear a 9 month pregnancy to bring to fruition a child she can not effectively raise, or on the flip side, force a woman to have an abortion when she doesn't want one. These are both issues of freedom.
I am being forced to pay for abortions FORCED.
That is because girls like you refuse to pay for your abortions, and when collection agency comes you cry -- I AM FORCED TO PAY. Not different from Comunists.
Uh, I'm a guy, alexp. Sounds like you don't like women much.
that was a quote from Katlan Jones, and I replied to her not to you, guy.
I am a guy myself, nothing to be too proud about
Yes, we need to be involved for the sake of our own future freedom here in the U.S.. Our middle class has been raped; Our own government has a pervasive grip on our privacy, and is being run by the same corporate interests that built oppressive China up. We need to reassert our stance on human rights, even if it doesn't win points with China. This man and his family should be brought here if there are not assurances from China for his safety and an open channel for communication with him.
just another example of the good ole united states sticking their nose in someone elses buisness where it don't belong. wish they tried that hard to "save" our own people. what a joke and waste of time and money.
My idea is if this man is a real human right fighter, we should support him, but if he want to use the name of human right fighter to bypass the lawful way to come to this country, we should stop him. My believe is to fight for human right, you should fight at home, not under the safety of other country, history tells us that to have something you have to give something. This man gives me a feeling that he wants others to give while he has the credit. China as a country of over 1.4 billion people and do something to control this from being larger is a right and responsible act I do not see any wrong with it. May be this man wants more children I do not know. I also know that under this one child policy you can have more than one if you are willingly to pay a fine. So what is the problem. If you can support it you can have it. To me it is far better than someone here sitting at home doing nothing concentrate upon making babies and then asking for government support.
We take such liberties for granted that other countries do not even have the possibility or freedom of obtaining. You talk of the Chinese paying a fine and 'if they can support it, they can have it' ideal. Unfortunately, the fine for those wanting a second child is sometimes 3-5x an annual salary. It's not as cut and dried as just having the 10-15K required by us to have the child. It is truly a financial life-sentence imposed by the government to discourage more than 1 child. I take my hat off to Chen, for challenging the law that has crippled their nation for so long. The imbalance of men to women is staggering in China b/c of this and they are starting to realize that after all these years. Unfortunately, now that he has gone to the US for aid, after this is all over, the government will probably make their lives absolute hell, if they're not dead by then. And as far as humanity is concerned--helping those that are in need, whether they are here in the U.S or in another country, is all needed. Kindness and tolerance doesn't have national borders--and though there are millions of people that need help on a daily basis her in America, it should never prevent us from showing temperance and love for others that do not share our freedoms. It makes me grateful and proud to be an American--to have such amazing freedom. To speak our mind and to worship who and what we please is a gift. God Bless the USA.
The more civilization there is, the more rules one is required to follow. Just like there are rules for where, when, and how fast you can travel there are rules as to how many children you're can have. Freedom of movement seems a pretty fundamental right to me so why aren't these people protesting private property, speed laws, proof of insurance?
The thing is, these restrictions are really no ones fault in particular and this isn't the Chinese being big meanies either. They have over a billion people living there and like 600,000,000 of them are in dire poverty. Its a patently childish mind that can't see this problem as the complex issue that it is.
Very interesting. Just thinking: How did this man break out of high security jail with the help of friends? Why did he go to the U.S. Embassy and not seek asylum? Why is it that he can communicate freely whenever he chooses with the U.S.? When did he decide to go down this path to co-inside with the Sec. of State Clinton arrival for high level meetings? This whole situation smells of a game being played and we do not understand the rules or the pieces in play.
That is because he is very very sick, not only blind but completely crazy.
kung fu panda would torture chen because he unveiled china ugly secret to the world. Porn advertisements are everywhere in all china websites. I'm skeptical whether communism promotes sexual activities among its people. No wonder china population triple from 55 milion to now 1.3 bilion people since communist forces take over china in 1940s. Even the chinese government needed to implement 1 child policy to control its population growth so china won't become overpopulated.
Ummm, who is this moron and why has he been in the news all week? You know what's interesting about this guy? Nothing, that's what.
...the interesting thing about him is -- he wants to kiss Hillary?
But even Bill Clinton hasn't wanted to do THAT ... for decades already!
Chen would be a great asset to our country! Not only is he a lawyer, but, he can help protest our money being spent on abortions here in America!
I have to agree with XBOX360 ^^^above^^^ for the most part, Anything done here at all, will be at the permission of the chineese, and only to save face in the voters eyes.
Hey, maybe he could run for president of the US, someday!!