hang the @!$%#ers let them experience what those ppl who died on that day felt and their families

Should have let the military deal with them a long time ago, the courts are reserved for people that have broke laws within the US not enemy combatants.

Since when do pepole that commit crimes aganst the country, get a civil trial (like Obama wanted)

Crimes aganst the country are an attack on all of us and is a military issue. That what we have a military for.

If you attack the country you are an enemy soldier of sorts, especially if linked to an enemy or terror organization bent on our destruction. Sure, try them, if found guilty, fry them.

Extreme, more Extreme, EXTREMIST Witness Tampering

"Our" government are extremist witness tamperers.

THEY KILLED A CHIEF WITNESS WHEN THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN HIM ALIVE - BIN LADEN.

Inflicting waterboard and other inhumane form of torture upon the suspects; unilaterally attacking sovereign nations on trimph-up charges; killing of tens of thousands of innocent women, children, and men, America has proven to the world it is equally evil as the terrorist. Maybe even more so.

I think death is to good for them, it's what they want. Let them rot in jail, I'd gladly pay for that.

"After torturing, they transferred us to inquisition land in Guantanamo."

Your “torture” was nothing compared to what you did to 3000 innocent victims! You don’t deserve death, you deserve a lifetime of painful torture! Starting with being doused with gasoline and set on fire! This will prepare you for your life in eternity in HELL!

New rules adopted by Congress and Obama forbid the use of testimony obtained through cruel treatment or torture.

Oh, but it was OK to use that information to locate Bin Laden?

Looks like Rosie ODonnell :)

With all the money we owe China I think it would be prudent to ask the Chinese justice system to look into these terror acts as if it happened to their own country and let the world watch the Chinese justice system work..

NATBefore anyone thinks freedom is the issue, think about WHAT THE HELL they did. Here is what pisses me off:

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a motion Friday asking the judge to prohibit the government's use of a 40-second delay and a white noise machine to prevent any spectators from hearing classified information, including details about the harsh treatment in the secret CIA detention sites overseas.

"If the defendants are unable to express themselves directly to the American public then how are we to know whether justice is being served," said ACLU director Anthony Romero.

Here are the words: National Security Need To Know (STFU ACLU)

fedup

Oh, but it was OK to use that information to locate Bin Laden?

What information? The wrong name of someone who we spent five years looking for but never found? That information?

imwhitewolf and other liberals are such hypocrites about this! Eric Holder is a criminal for many things he's done the last 3 plus years.... insisiting these animals be tried in civil court is at the top of the list. Terrorists are at war with America whether Obama and Holder know it or not. They are all enjoying the extra publicity we're giving them and laughing at us!

You are right imwhitewolf, this pig should have been sent to his 40 virgins as soon as we got our hands on him. Then you wouldn't have had to spend sleepless nights worrying about his rights.

We own the base we own the jail in cuba. The expense is what it cost the U.S. right now. The guards are military service members. They get paid their normal military pay rate. It is not much expense for the Mess Seargent to fix 5 or so more meals to feed them. I think killing them could cause other extremist to start somthing, causing a lot more expense. This was done to the Nazi war criminals. If they are to be exicuted, you need someone from their religion to drop the trap door.

imwhitewolf,

How about a compromise. You seem to think these people should have all the rights granted to American citizens. How about we try them under Sharia Law.

Whether you believe in God or not. One thing is abundantly clear. This is a new age. All the old rules have to be thrown out. We have to stop worrying about these crazy peoples rights that are bound and determined to destroy us. If you think that bitching about the way they were treated (ie) water boarding, sleep deprivation, etc. is the proper way to conduct your self, you are a fool and you and your families will end up like the victims of 911. Even now, they are planning to set massive forest fires among other niceties. When you and your loved ones are standing in the middle of debris with no shelter, no food, no water and no hope, don't forget to say grace.

imwhitewolf

GITMO is not 'American soil', and since they are fighters against the US and not in uniform in a war declared by al Qaida, they can and should be shot as spies. That has been 'case law' throughout history.

The idea that we should have given the criminal leaders of Japan or Nazi Germany 'constitutional rights' and brought them to the US for 'civilian trials' is ludicrous.

J.P "THEY KILLED A CHIEF WITNESS WHEN THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN HIM ALIVE - BIN LADEN."

Are you suggesting that we charge Obama with a war crime?

Simply put, only a small handful of 4-5 of these prisoners had anything to do with the 911 attacks and these 4-5 should be tried as terrorist criminals. The other 164 should be released back to the countries they were rebelling in and let those countries prosecute them. Very few of these prisoners were fighting any form of threat against the U.S. They were captured simply because they were fighting for political power in Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Let those countries take on the responsibility of these prisoners and send them back. The military does not need to rely on the civilian information derived from tortures to prosecute the remaining five. They already had what they needed to go after these terrorists before their capture and those evidences are not contaminated by anything the cia or any other organisation did or didn't do after their capture.

Are you unaware that those returned in the past have rejoined terror organizations ?

At least 25 % have been recaptured or killed in the field !

These people are psychopaths dedicated to the MURDER of all non Muslims

How about we release them onto your res or where ever you live !

Cub T. ,

One thing is abundantly clear. This is a new age. All the old rules have to be thrown out.

What are you going to call this new country of yours?

Thanks for killing mine!

Does anyone else find it ironic that even though it has been ten years, the terrorists are receiving due process at the same time Americans are losing that right.

FedupwithFed

You are right and one has to wonder about those who protest so loudly about these terrorists they sympathize with. Perhaps they are not in America, not true Americans or are part of a hidden conspiracy that has already infiltrated our country and bringing more every day.

An eye for an eye only the ones killed on 9-11 were innocent, unlike these devils.

Once Holder is removed from office, we need an Attorney General who will investigate the funding and backing of the ACLU because it sure isn't for American's protection. We need to find out who is pushing the agenda to work for any cause that is against American interests.

If the Afghanis, Saudis, Yemenis, Pakistanis decide to let the prisoners go after we ship them back then that is their problem to solve. 164 prisoners had nothing to do with 911 and quite frankly, if the people of the nations they came from do not choose to prosecute them for their crimes they committed in their countries, then I really don't care. Had we not been in Afghanistan to begin with toppling the Taliban from power in their own country, 911 would not have happened. As long as this nation keeps troops in other countries to help them fight their civil wars, their will always be another Taliban or Al Quaeda forming to fight us and try to drive us from their countries. We would do the samething here in this country.

tallman1938

How about we release them onto your res or where ever you live !

We already have an american Taliban. We call them right wing extremists and I agree, we really should be nipping them in the bud before we end up with our own version of sharia only on the nutcase religious sectors already here.

What on earth is the ACLU bantering about? They put the interests of foreign mass murders ahead of the real problems in this country, amazing.

Mikela, I am amazed how many people these days like you want to blame 9/11 on the United States, absolutely asinine.

hiap, I agree with you.... I had to read mikela's post twice to make sure I knew what he was trying to say... I don't think he knows himself! lol

hiap

While I don't believe the US was responsible for perpetrating 9/11, I think it would be asinine to not realize that when our foreign policy continually picks one side to win over another, that we are bound to create enemies.

Chris 65 @1.15--Listen loudmouth. My MOM pays no taxes because she lives solely on SSI and a very small pension left by my Dad. There are lots of these out there. So, when YOU run your ignorant rants, try thinking about it before opening your mouth. The earned income credit is the gorrilla in the room.

Tactical, Chist 65 is the result of the reeducation of the US citizens. Propaganda is melting our minds and if we do not take care, we could end up as morons just like Chris.

JP, unfortunately, you are one of those that can't see the forest for the trees nor do you want to. I don't resort to name calling so just call your self an idiot.

The "pain" that they feel is nothing compared to the terror felt by those that went out the windows of the WTC to their deaths. They should feel "pain" every minute of every day for the remaining days of their lives. Hopefully they will be very short lives and tax payers and the families of the 9/11 victims will not be forced to pay for their miserable lives.

To Imwhitewolf - the U.S. is much too kind to those that do us harm. These people are animals and need put out of their misery. We should have went in and made Afghanistan a "Glass Factory". Drop bombs until the sand melts. There are no innocents in these countries, they all gave support to the Muslim Islamics. These people have no rights, they are terrorist and need to be treated as such. If the U.S. would apply their Islamic Laws to the GITMO prisoners, they would have been dead long ago. Imwhitewolf, if you want them, you can go live with them in their cells and suffer their fate.

Just adding my two cents to this, although I doubt anyone cares about having a logical discussion anymore. You cannot declare someone a terrorist while also proclaiming them to be an enemy combatant. If you claim someone is an enemy combatant that has engaged in open conflict with the United States, it's like saying that their attacks on our country were a legitimate act of war, not a crime. By charging them in military court, it makes it seem like Al-Qaeda is an established military force. It's not. It's a bunch of extremists running around and blowing up towers full of civilians. Charge them in a civilian court with 3000+ counts of murder, you get the death penalty. I'm sure of it. Charge them in a military court, you get justification for every horrific thing they've done. I personally agree that these people are the worst sorts of scum imaginable and should be lumped in with Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. I'm just giving you my take of it. Besides, do we want Al-Qaeda to know our civilians are afraid of them? Or would we rather stand and confront them like the balls to wall, greatest country in the world that we are? (No sarcasm at all)

Fact of the matter, the terrorists have declared war on us and are organized enough to carry out this war all over the globe! Just because they are/were citizens of nations that haven't declared war on us doesn't change the fact that we are in a war. Time are different and this isn't a typical war! You should think outside the box Fotm, they are!

john-737278

hiap

While I don't believe the US was responsible for perpetrating 9/11, I think it would be asinine to not realize that when our foreign policy continually picks one side to win over another, that we are bound to create enemies.

That was exactly my point. Had we not been there picking sides, many tragedies that have happened since 1979 would never have transpired.

Let's turn them over to the family of 9/11 victims!

Funny thing is that the ones who are disrupting now, admitted their involvement in 911 before they were tortured. They gave a lot more info after. Since they are admittedly war criminals just hang them or shoot them instead of this three ring circus we are in now trying to get a trial for them. Since they admitted their involvement in a war crime before the torture. Firing squad and done. No more crap from them. Then they can have their 77 virgins like they want.

I wouldn't be opposed to charging them in court, or under crimminal statutes; if the sentences are effective, and not more prone to being over-turned, or drawn out... I've heard some stats suggest that crimminal procedings have proven to stick through the appeals process much more so/less subject to overturning. If that's the case; I'd care more about effective results, then arguments wrt why they should/shouldn't be tried here or there....

Yes, perhaps many who are KNOWN to be terrorists should have been dealt with time ago, and in the course of military operations; but decisions were made to use for for intelligence purposes, and hold them. We brought them, well there.... And it would be natural to want to get the pound of flesh; though doing so could also risk making some martyers in the eyes of others. It might not always pay (immediately) to be more civil, but in the end we are also the ones who have to live with ourselves. tbh, I could care less if things were tried by firing squad, in civilian trial, or however; if we get the results.... It's the results (and whatever would give us results in trying and sentencing our attackers) which would matter the most. The "we don't want to try them this way, because...." gets into symantecs, IMO. If a charge will stick, and is less subject to appeal or overturning, so be it.... It might not fit within a certain sense of how we would chose to view them/not view them, but it would be pragmatic... If it means the Supreme Court or other high court can't over-turn convictions or order there release (or wouldn't be more likely to), then all the good.... If it means family can't come back latter and sue under civil suite or the like, bringing up some technicallity, very well then, and yes lets get this circus over with; along with whatever fallout some might want to bring up at a latter time. As long as it can bring an effective conclusion, that won't carry on into new trials, appeals, or what have you, I'm for it at this point....

As to these people disrupting the procedings, they're lucky we aren't an Arab country; or under Sharia law they might find their tongues cut out, or worse.... The trial is for their benefit though; and if in the end they chose not to cooperate, it doesn't take cooperation necessarily to find one in contempt of court, obstructing justice, and might there be grounds to then make summary judgement against them, based on other evidence? Finding their refusal to defend themselves as a choice made, and not nullifying of other evidence which is at hand?

If they continue to disrupt proceddings, just find them guilty. After all, they admitted it. Take them from the courthouse to the firing squad.

mikela " Had we not been in Afghanistan to begin with toppling the Taliban from power in their own country, 911 would not have happened."

You need to work on your 'timeline'. We were in Afghanistan AFTER 9/11, and only because the Taliban was giving sanctuary to bin Laden after the attack of 911.

It might improve your 'credibility'.

This is just for show. Gotta keep them sheep a followin'

ROY WILSON-336103

While I agree the timeline is not necessarily correct, President Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on Afghanistan in I think 1998, but missed the targets. I think some could argue that was a provocation of war that could have brought about the 9/11 attacks. I know that was retaliation for another event, I think the USS Cole, which was a retaliation for another, and another, and so on.

"There are issues of cultural sensitivity here," she said. "I am suggesting the prosecution team make decisions of appropriate dress of their female colleagues so that our clients are not forced to look (at them) for fear of commiting a sin under their faith."

TOO BAD! If THEY dress in tents, doesn’t mean we have to! Its not OUR faith and they can’t force it on us!

They ALREADY committed a sin!

One $0.75 round of ammunition and one out of millions of volunteers to pull the trigger and this story goes away.

Radical islamic jihadists attacked us on our own soil therefore declaring war. The US should hunt and eliminate, whether quickly or slow and painful, every last islamic jihadist. When you fu*% with my family the punishment will be swift, brutal and unrelenting until all of those involved have met their fate. As much division as barack has brought to this country it's still a family and that should be the only attitude we take when dealing with aggressors.

But we don't, we've got too many pussified bleeding hearts that would rather us sit down and chat with these stinky cowards to find out why they don't like us.

J.D - what are you married to obama's osama's sister? There is only one thing that would have been better than osamas death. His death over the course of a month or two, taking one little evil piece of him apart at a time and right when he was about to die stuff a bacon sandwich down his throat and start snapping pictures. It still would be civil compare to anything about him.

This trial crap is ridiculous. KSM is a sworn enemy of the US and has claimed responsibility for multiple terror attacks. He took part in acts of war and he's not a citizen therefor he doesn't deserve a trial. Get rid of the piece of shi%! He is absolutely not worthy of our oxygen.

@Mikela, We went into Afghanistan because of 9/11. The events of 9/11 did not happen because we went into afghanistan. When it comes to these terrorists, force feed them pork, put a bullet covered in pigs blood between there eyes and then chop them up and feed the remains to the dogs, but alas even if we did that it would not be enough punishment for these terrorists.

@Roy

"J.P "THEY KILLED A CHIEF WITNESS WHEN THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN HIM ALIVE - BIN LADEN."

"Are you suggesting that we charge Obama with a war crime?"

VERY NICE! I don't think you'll get a straight answer though. When tripped up by their own hypocrisy you will usually get something around the caliber of "oh yeah...well, um, Bush, um, teabaggers, um well..."

Chemical Castration...it usually quiets any animal?

I say let them have their way and bring their customs and Sharia law here for their trial. Did Daniel Pearl get a trial? Did the innocent people who died on 9/11 get a trial? Not that I can remember. So let Sharia law reign. So stop torturing these poor souls. Put them on their knees and slice off their heads while they are still alive. The sword begets the sword, correct? We could then bury them in a mass unmarked grave and when they get to their reward, Allah can sort them out and put the correct heads on the right bodies. Just my opinion of course.

Chemical Castration...it usually quiets any animal?

forget "chemical" castration, break out the knives.

Eric Holder is a criminal for many things he's done the last 3 plus years.... insisiting these animals be tried in civil court is at the top of the list.

sorry, despite the nonsense babbled by right-wingnut talk-show national dividers, eric hasn't broken any laws. (competence within the department he runs may very well be another story)

RickD-566741

@Mikela, We went into Afghanistan because of 9/11. The events of 9/11 did not happen because we went into afghanistan.

Maybe you should simply type this into your search engine and read before deciding when we went into Afghanistan and exactly how and why we ourselves created the Taliban.

president carter's afghanistan policy 1979

Mikela..., 9/11 isn't the result of us being in Afghanistan. Us being in Afghanistan is a result of 9/11. Prior to 9/11. The USA assisted the Afghan's with the overthrow of the then occupying Soviets. We trained Osama bin laden. His thanks was to, well you know how he thanked us. It was discovered that Al-quida had training camps inside Afghanistan. We had, as we do with all the nations from this region, a tenuous relationship with Afghanistan. When the Taliban, the governing body of that country refused to shut them down we did it for them. Now we still have this mess on our hands. In other words THEY started it, now we're going to finish it.

Rightwingwac

@Roy

"J.P "THEY KILLED A CHIEF WITNESS WHEN THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN HIM ALIVE - BIN LADEN."

"Are you suggesting that we charge Obama with a war crime?"

VERY NICE! I don't think you'll get a straight answer though. When tripped up by their own hypocrisy you will usually get something around the caliber of "oh yeah...well, um, Bush, um, teabaggers, um well..."

You people ride that crap to death. Bill Clinton had Ken Starr up his arse for 8 years--and he was impeached in The House by bitter old white guys for sexual indiscretions. Yes, if I had ever cheated in my 37 years of marriage, I'd lie. As for the "war crime" game--President Obama only appointed Holder with an agreement that he never go after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or any of those maniacal twisted mind that cost this country 7000 service members and counting. President Obama admits that things haven't gone as scripted--because there was no precedence in history for "the script". If the banks weren't propped up with tax dollars, our economy would have gone in default. Check things for yourself and don't depend on Fox News or a tired on copy of "Atlas Shrugged." Check how all the little piggies suck the teat of defense contractors to keep us in wars. We do live in a welfare system, but the corporations are the welfare recipients.

For what it worth, I think President Obama is one of the few honest and decent people in Washington

I agree with you, all this liberterian random stories are coming out so he can get re-elected, what typical bull@!$%#, He is putting up a good act and I bet he'll be the last commander in chief before he takes over everything sacred and meaningful in this country.

sailor,

I don't get the impression that you know how the judicial system works. The President doesn't decide when the appeals process of prisoners is over.

Even if the POTUS had that power, we've had this guy for ten years. Which means this guy was a living, breathing prisoner for 7 years of the Bush administration. If you should be calling any president "weak and spineless", shouldn't it be George W. Bush?

well said sailor 52..you "get it"...

Ryan, I know how the system works. It is obvious you are defending your hero and messiah, obama. He has the power to dictate when the trials are to be scheduled because these terrorists have been detained for a long time. He can make a suggestion and his "puppet" a.k.a. holder kneel down - prostrate - and make it happen, or, someone can take the initiative and do it on his/her own. If obama doesn't like it, he can call it off. I think you are just playing ignorant and pretend you don't know obama has lots of power which he can use anytime on anyone.

Exactly, Sailor 52 and ignore comments from stupid arses. I dont even allow myself to get excited anymore when MORONS make comments.

sailor

Nice deflection there sailor. But why didn't you answer the question? Bush had them for seven years. Why didn't he do it? Was he a weak and spineless leader? Remember, by you, he could have just said get her done and it would have happened.

HEY, STUPID FL NOBODY:

They got the courier name from this fat POS. That's the name, get clue.

sailor, Obama is not only perceived as spineless, he IS spineless.

(speaking of spineless leaders)... in an alternate reality somewhere Gore won the White House. I wonder what America's response was. Thinking we would still be demanding an apology.

Obama took out Osama ---that's not spineless - that is a courageous and correct incredibly risky decision by a Commander in Chief! You Republibots really are the part of fools and high school drop outs.

The President doesn't decide when the appeals process of prisoners is over.

Ryan, I don't think you realize what kind of political manipulator we have with Obama... since when does he comply with protocol if it doesn't serve his needs? He is even willing to trample on the constitution if it's necessary! He is a master politician and a weak leader... the jokes on us and the terrorists are loving it!

I got lots of childish insults. No answer to my question.

Bush had this guy for 7 years. Obama had him for 3. Why is it Obama's fault that he hasn't been taken care of yet?

Ryan... you don't seem to get it. Obama promised the closure of gitma, then realized that campaign promise wasn't the best idea he ever had.... Obama also (along with Holder) wanted to try terrorists in civil court... well that promise went over like a lead balloon... guess Barry and Eric forgot terrorists are at war with us. When the Navy Seal team killed Osama, Obama warned the country he didn't think it would be appropriate and may hurt middle east country's feelings if we 'spiked the football' over OBL's death (convienently dumped the body where it could never be recovered...) but we all can plainly see daily evidence for the last few weeks that Obama now feels the great need to 'spike that football' every day and on as many media outlets as possible and used in every one of his 124 fundraisers to date... yes Obama is spineless, a weak leader, a manipulator, and a master politician. And you Ryan see fit to blame Bush! How predictable you are...

Ryan, perhaps you are being ignored as your question is silly!?

For all you who do not know Obama stopped the Tribunals when he took office with an executve order,Now it is a distraction during an election year to keep His Lying campaign out of the eye of the media.Ryan regardless of what the Democrats have told you,Ignorance is not bliss.

Pilot

"Obama took out Osama ---that's not spineless - that is a courageous and correct incredibly risky decision by a Commander in Chief"

Obama taking out Osama was just a matter of right place right time. Whoever the President would have been when given that type of opportunity would have made the same decision..ie Kill Osama.

How is it a silly question? It's entirely relevant.

According to everyone here, the President has the power to schedule the trials of terrorists. If that is true, Bush had 7 years to schedule this man's trial, and he didn't. You are calling Obama spineless because it took him 3 years to do this.

So far I've been called a moron, a stupid arse and got half a dozen lectures about how Obama is destroying the country. But not a single person is willing to criticize Bush for doing the same thing they are currently criticizing Obama for. Isn't that exactly what your party would want? Blind loyalty? Everything the other side does = bad, yet we can do no wrong? And you call me ignorant.

By the way, I don't support Obama. I vote Libertarian.

If Bush would have them tried when he was in office, all you Obama lovers would have cried to high heaven, the he was cruel, and heartless. "He got in a hurry to make himself look good to the public." It makes no difference what Bush would have done because it would have wrong according to you liberal lockstep behind Obama followers.

floyd,

Once again, that's not an answer to my question. You're just projecting my accusations of partisanship onto the other party (which ironically validates my point).

All I want is for us to get rid of this double-standard. Bush and Obama did the same thing here. So either both are wrong, or neither.

chris 65

They got the courier name from this fat POS. That's the name, get clue.

They got the wrong name from him. Bush hunted for a fake name for over 5 years. So why don't you your head out of your ass.

I say let them bring their customs and Sharia law to the trial since this is what they want. Did Daniel Pearl get a trial? Did those innocent people who died on 9/11 get a trial? Not that I can remember. So.....Let Sharia law reign! Put them on their knees and saw their heads off with a knife while they are alive. Bury them in a mass grave and when they get to their reward, let Allah put the heads back on the correct bodies. The sword begets the sword. This is what these animals understand. Oh yes, don't forget to post the beheading videos on youtube so the rest of their followers can see what awaits them. Just my opinion of course. Does Sharia law allow me to have an opinion?

Terminate these scum and all that threaten the US and it citzens Terminate with extreme predjuice thats all

Bush didn't start the trials while he had them in custody. He didn't feel there was a need to provide them a trial. It's the Liberals that think we have to provide them trials and representation.

1) I agree almost every President would have said take him out - I do question what Carter would have said.

2) Tell the defense lawyers that it is an American Military court of law and it will be conducted as one. So the female members of the legal staff will be in approved military uniform. If their clients don't like it then they can ask to be tried in absentia. Or just put them all back in their cages and tell them when they are ready to participate in the trial - we may start again.

The people who should really be in the docket are the members of the PNAC group and The Israeli Mossad, these guys they have on trial in this kangaroo court were just 9/11 patsies blamed and tortured for crimes they had nothing to do with

Bill ur statement is idiotic. You mean BUSH, right?

WOW! Those @!$%#s are afraid looking at women's legs means they're sinning but it's okay to RAPE and MURDER-that's not sin I guess in their stupid pee sized brains! God help you bastards on Judgement Day! They all just need to be blown away! The world would be so much better without all those evil haters who have nothing better to do than plot attacks! Get a REAL life you scums and leave those of us who enjoy our lives alone! You're obviuosly miserable and pathetic little worms!

Who cares! I don't think we should give them any news coverage except for their executions (that should be brutal and televised around the word). Why let them feel they have any relevance. Let them co-operate in their defense or not. Let them sing, dance, pray, whatever they want as they watch the proceedings on CCTV from cells, and then hang the bastards.

don

Bush didn't start the trials while he had them in custody

If you don't count these: Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber"; Bryant Neal Vinas, an American convicted of supporting al-Qaida plots in Afghanistan and the United States; Mohammed Jabarah, a Canadian who was active in al-Qaida and convicted of terrorism-related offenses; Shahawar Matin Siraj, a Pakistani-American who plotted to bomb Herald Square in New York; and Mohammed Junaid Babar, a Pakistani-American convicted of terrorist-related offenses in New York, and who testified in 2006 against a group of men accused of plotting bomb attacks in London. Plus many more.

seldom

you don't seem to get it. Obama promised the closure of gitma

Actually you are wrong. He did sign the order to close gitmo. But the repugs wouldn't fund it.

That is flimsy at best.

you are correct, it was pathetic, weak and flimsy for the republicans to prevent the transfer of the prisoners

You morons ought to at least know it's "gitmo," not "gitma," if you want to chastise Obama or whatever for his actionor inaction re: Guantanomo prison. Sheesh. Your whole argument is damaged when you use misspelled words or ignorant, ungrammatical language. But Republicans are increasingly the party of high school dropouts. So what can you expect? Get a GED.

Ok, I've got an idea: Release them......into a war zone like Afghanistan in an area that just happens to be, coincidentally of course, recently populated with 1000 or so American Troops. If they want to frustrate the process, I guess we'll let them go since evidently they think they have a right to be free and not answer for their crimes. What those boys (Army, Navy, Marines) do to them after they're let go isn't any of our concern! We offered them a fair trial but they decided to play games, let the war zone take care of them. "OOPS! We didn't know about any danger to you guys, we were just letting you go like you wanted. You got 5 clipsfull in each of you shortly after release? Aww, that's sad, poor little ba$tards." Liberal/Moderate Obama Supporter here.

As for Obama's timing: no such thing, you dolts can pretend all you want that Obama has time to operate the justice department while actually running the 500 other areas of the Presidency and a reelection campaign but that just makes you pea-brained, it doesn't make it true. You are ridiculous. REE-DIC-YOU-LUSS!

Lil Debbie: I totally agree with what you said about grammar but you spelled Guantanamo incorrectly yourself, dear. Please don't insult the highschool dropouts by lumping them/us into the Republican party, some of us dropped out to save our families from the streets or to start revolutions in technology like Steve Jobs, let's just agree that IQs are lower the farther right you go...OK?

Obama/Biden 2012

First of all learn proper english or go back to whatever rathole you came from. Secondly, this is exactly the reason that these assmunches should not be allowed to speak. Let them have their trial in public, but first sew their lips shut so we don't have to listen to their propaganda and bull@!$%#. Third, do not put them to death as this falls into their religious zealotism, let them rot in solitary confinement right where they sit until they die of old age.

Get back on your meds , NOW !

I challenge you to try your anti American rant openly and on Memorial Day !

I guess you missed the video of the brave KSM sawing Danny Pearls head off with a butcher knife !

Are you a truther ?

So extremely ridiculous wasting ALL this time, energy, money, and air on these animals!!! Take them out back and put a bullet in their heads. They want to be with their supposed 'ALLAH'. . . . .give them a ticket to him, with a nice full metal-jacketed 5.56-mm M-16 !!! Save the U.S.A. , the poor families who have lost loved ones, and ALL of us tax paying (for this crap to house and feed these animals) citizens the time and money !!!

Easily the dumbest comment I have read in years! Thanks for the laugh dummy

Why waste or time and money with the bastards. They confessed already, the only thing that should be decided is which prison they will rot in. Lets try not to be so damn politicaly correct. While your at it the same sentence should apply to Kieth Obermann. Its something when one of the most left news networks, MSNBC fires a guy for for being wacky and an idiot while trying to look sincere. Gee i wonder who owns current news, oh yeah that would be mr greenjeans al gore.

I am sure that you are a good American christian. God save us from the American christians.

Our forefathers were mostly Christians, and they fought the evil empire of England's crooked king, and built a wonderful country where we could all thrive in peace. If you let the people that hate you (AND ATTACK YOU) live and thrive, they will eventually take you over. Killing is wrong, but sometimes you have to kill or be killed. Just common sense there dude. If the people that hate you leave you alone, then leave them alone.

Sad our government has become like the evil king again..its time we the people took the government back again..sadly, freedom is only born in blood and fire...do you think the government will just give up their cushy hi-paying powerful jobs without a fight ? They own the game and change the rules to fit their desires, its time for some serious action by the people I am afraid.

“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion” - George Washington, 1st President of the United States of America.

Shanad: The USA was founded and based upon Christian morals found in the Holy Bible.... If you would investigate this you would find that a belief in God is mentioned in every speech or written document at the time this nation was being formed.... Evidently, you must be a product of our pubic school system.

America is at fault for what happen on 9/11, but only because she has turned her back on God. The Bible proves God has used many heathen nations to come against His people that their hearts may be drawn back to Him. But America refuses to repent of her sins.

Write this on your wall somewhere that you might remember this: 9/11 was the first of three major attacks. the 2nd is soon to come; somewhere in S. California and in or near Philly and Boston and 1000 times that of the 9/11 attack. The 3rd and final you most likely will not need to worry about. God has never allowed the destruction of a people or nation that He has not warned them first. Amos 3:7

Sorry, watchman48 (post #10.4). But none of our Founding documents mentions the Christian God. The Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians. A Deist believes in a God (Creator) that created the universe, and then walked away. In Deism, there is no sin, no need for prayer, no angels or Holy Ghost or Satan, etc. The Declaration of Independence absolutely breathes the spirit of secular humanistic Deism.

Although Shanad's quote is correct, I don't attribute it to Geo. Washington. Here's the full story.

There are no American patriots greater than the founding fathers. The Treaty with Tripoli stands as a testament to those founders.

George Washington ordered American diplomat Joel Barlow to negotiate the treaty in November 1796. By the time the treaty was finished, Washington was no longer President (he stepped down on March 3, 1797 and John Adams became President on March 4, 1797). The completed treaty was read aloud in its entirety and ratified by the Senate on June 7, 1797. The vote was unanimous. President Adams signed it into law on June 10, 1797. Here is the complete text of Article 11 of the treaty, with its original spelling.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

In other words, according to a unanimous agreement of America's Founding Fathers, the USA is NOT a Christian nation and we will act as friends to Muslims.

And remember, the vote for this language was UNANIMOUS.

Hey Shanad, your taking Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli completely out of context and misrepresenting to many the intent.

... and Jim-3113262 is being even more misleading by twisting facts to support only his version of what he believes to be true. All the founding fathers and the people of this United States were not deists, and even those that were had Christian values written in the diaries and journals.

"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.^[15]

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli}

The part none of you, who argue for this misquote to George Washington, have attempted to agree on is not the fact of Christian, but "religious" foundation .... and to this part there is no argument today.

Jim; You are a fool and if you contiue to deny the truth your lies will lead into hell. God has already judged America... Not only for her unbief but also for the murder of over 55 million babies through abortion and for embracing the gay rights agendas.... God will bless the individual Christian but there will be no more blessings for America.

It's a sick, sick world we live in and it is about to get a lot worse for America. The illusion that the vast majority live with is that America is the only hope for this world. This vast majority, though they can see, they are blinded by lies and deception of those that would want to control them. The greatest liar of them all is the one who kills, steals and destroys; yes, Satan. And it is all because the vast majority refuses to seek the truth of God's WORD.

Write this on your walls.... Because of our (America) iniquites (sins) we have been judge and America is about to reap what she has sown, death and destruction for the sins of abortion and sexual perversion. 9/11 was the first of 3 major terrorist attacks, the 2nd is soon to come. (Somewhere in S. Cal. and most likely in or near Philly and Boston, 1000 times that of 9/11) The 3rd major terrorist attack will be sponsored by China and Russia through a nuclear attack and America will be no more. God has never allowed a destruction of a people or nation before He first warns man of this coming destruction. Amos 3:7

Read God's prophecies given ... Hand of Help Ministry website (Through The Fire Without Burning by Pastor Dumitru Duduman). Also read Set The Trumpet to thy Mouth by Dr. David Wilkerson.

Nukes fired from subs off each coast and the Gulf of Mexico will only take 8 to 10 minutes to reach their destination, thus it will be a complete surprise. The Russian land base nukes will most likely arrive serval minutes later, striking Chicago and several major cities throughout the central states.
Oct. 17, '04 I read maybe 3 or 4 times through, Michael Boldea latest message of a vision God had given him. I laid down on my floor and started crying out to God. In this prayer I said that this man in Iran says he wants to wipe Israel off the map. I continued to say that he knows should he strike Israel like this America will strike them to do the same. Then I said, God, he must strike America first and a thousand times worse than that of 9/11 to force America to back down from supporting Israel.
Oct. 21, '04 as I was walking into a restaurant a man standing at the counter waiting to place his order turns and seeing me, he starts to move to his left, screaming and point at me he says, I think you have something to tell me. I told him what I am most certain as to what is coming for America and then He tells me he saw a vision of the three areas (That I mentioned above) hit by something. I told him I believed they most likely will use chemical, biological, dirty nukes, suitcase nukes or a combination of the four.

One revelation from God is worth far more than the knowledge gained from all the books in the world written by men who have no understanding or comprehension of the absolute truth of God's WORD. In His great Mercy, God seeks to warn man in order to keep him from His judgment. The only thing that will save man from God judgment is man's repentance, turning away from sin and accepting Christ has his LORD and Savior.

@Watchman48

"The USA was founded and based upon Christian morals found in the Holy Bible"

It absolutely was not. The US was founded upon the ideas of Liberty, Democracy, and Egalitarianism.

One of the founding principles was a 'separation of Church and State" a phrase used by both Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, and James Madison, drafter of the Constitution and primary author of the Bill of Rights.

The United States was established as a secular nation, and remains so. I would say that your statement is simply incorrect, but at this point, we both know that you know better than that - therefore, your statement is a not a simple mistake, it is clearly a lie..

See, even Zen609 gets it wrong by misstatement .... thus far we have been talking of " the American Government" the United States, is "the people of" .... and even the s=most seasoned ignorant of you cannot escape that the fact our country was based on the principles of FREEDOMS ...... this one is about the freedom of Religion, not from it ... and it is clear by any of the writings of all the forefathers that religion played a integral part of their lives as well as their actions ..... to this there is no argument .... WE believed in GOD and that WE, no matter of what religious affiliation, wanted the freedom to practice it without the intrusive hand of Government to interfere.

The US is not a Christian nation and was not founded as a Christian nation.

Jim quoted the Treaty of Tripoli because, if there is any doubt, then the Law clears that up:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

That's from the Treaty, which is Law, ratified by the Senate and signed the President, John Adams.

Furthermore, the idea of "Freedom of Religion" IS the freedom from religion. This is the entire idea of the establishment clause.

This is made clear in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom drafted by Jefferson and supported by Madison:

"no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities"

This ridiculous idea that the Constitution does not guarantee 'freedom from religion" is just a bunch of BS recently concocted by totalitarians who want to claim the religious freedom for themselves but also the freedom to force that religion on the rest of us. The Constitution clearly protects us from this with the Establishment Clause.

It doesn't matter what religions these men were, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Satanist, Atheist or what churches they went to or didn't go to - the founding principles are philosophical, inspired by Greeks like Democritus and Plato, and Enlightenment philosophers, not any religious text.

Liberty, Democracy, and Egalitarianism - that's the American ideology. We are a democracy - DEMOCRITUS - not a Theology.

BTW - just to circumvent some red herring regarding Plato and Democritus - just because his name looks similar to 'democracy' doesn't mean that Democritus, the man, invented 'democracy, the idea. It's a coincidence that he was an influential proponent of the idea.

now your lying ... I said religious foundation, not as you keep blathering on the Christian phrase. Your take on the religious freedoms is quaint at best, but the "choice" of freedoms "from" religion is only a part for those who so choose that path ... on that I do not disagree, but to assume that is only from religion is twisted at best. We came here, in part, to freely practice what England forbid us to do.

The treaty of Tripoli also is a former law, as it only lasted a few years before it was eliminated.

.... and your completely deluded, if you think for a moment that none of our founding fathers had religious thoughts and ideas steer their hand in government and their personal lives that started this country and which has continued to this day.

... to affix all your energy to one phrase of a dead treaty and to ignore the reams of documents to the contrary on what was in the minds of our forefathers is ignorance at it best.

And your equally stupid quote about the role of religion in the matter of civil duties is weak at best as it dictates your personal thought and idea making you better or worse for public duty. The section where you state about having religion forced on you also is BS, as its silly people like you who are attempting to erase and eliminate my freedoms of religion by erasing as much as you can, so you can live in your own godless little world. If you don't believe, fine, but you cannot and will not tell the rest of us that it is we who are wrong or unable to do so in the way we see fit for ourselves and our communities.

Please remember it was the United States Government that was set up to be secular, not the people.

I said and you may go back to check it out that America was founded and based upon the Christian MORALS found written in the Holy Bible. You can accept the truth or you can deny it... it makes no difference to me. As for separation of Church and state - There is no mention of that but it does state that we have freedom of religion, meaning you may practice what you want to believe. It does not say, "Freedom from religion" as so many poorly educated people are thinking, which no doubt many of you who wish to argue this point are like me a graduate of our public schools.

"We came here, in part, to freely practice what England forbid us to do."

Only about 9% of Americans are of English descent, so I don't know what "we" you're talking about.

"The treaty of Tripoli also is a former law, as it only lasted a few years before it was eliminated.The Treaty was not 'eliminated'"

it was broken by the Pasha of Tripoli. The Pasha's violation does not nullify the legality of the treaty, which was met when the Senate ratified, and John Adams signed it.

"our founding fathers had religious thoughts and ideas steer their hand in government"

The founding documents are not religious in nature, nor are the principles described in them, as I have already stated. In both documents, the word 'God' is mentioned only once, and was not a reference to the Judeo-Christian God, as it was written by Jefferson, and edited by Franklin, neither of whom were Christian. The words 'Jesus', 'Christ', or 'Bible' are not mentioned at all in either document, and there are no references or quotes from any religious text. There is no influence of 'The Holy Bible' in either document, nor are there references to any part of Mosaic Law.

"its silly people like you who are attempting to erase and eliminate my freedoms of religion by erasing as much as you can, so you can live in your own godless little world."

Just because we aren't the same religion doesn't mean I want to "erase or eliminate" your freedom of religion. Furthermore, your freedom does not include dictating to me what my religious opinion will be, nor does it include making law based on your religious beliefs, which is unconstitutional.

If you don't believe, fine, but you cannot and will not tell the rest of us that it is we who are wrong or unable to do so in the way we see fit for ourselves and our communities.

No one is telling you what you can or can not believe as an individual. However, you can NOT make laws for ANYONE based on your religious belief. It's unconstitutional.

And, for the record, I CAN tell you that you're wrong about anything I want. I can do it, I will do it, and I did do it. Watcha gonna do about it? Call me a name?

@Watchman48

"I said and you may go back to check it out that America was founded and based upon the Christian MORALS found written in the Holy Bible."

Which? Show me. The founding documents are the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Exactly which Christian morals are specifically mentioned, and where are they explicitly found in the documents?

"As for separation of Church and state - There is no mention of that but it does state that we have freedom of religion,"

The mention of 'separation of church and state' is by the authors of the 2 documents, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

The Establishment Clause grants us the freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

There are 2 clauses regarding religion in the First amendment:

1) The Establishment Clause - which is 'Freedom from Religion'

2) The Free-Exercise Clause - which is regarded as 'Freedom of Religion'

I'm a bit surprised that this is in question. Seriously, neither of you 2 had 7th grade Civics?

Zen, you're wasting your time. I get as unsettled as you when these kooks try to claim this is a "Christian nation", but the fact is, they're willing to kill and die in the name of their imaginary friend, just like the most radical islamic. Logic does not come into it, just their own personal pathology of crazy.

Just let them be. Their belief is not truth, and the sane among us know this.

OK, here we go. I am so tired of this crap.

R. Augberger and watchman48, here are the relevant parts of the Constitution.

Article 4

"No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification of any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Amendment 1

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …"

watchman48 (post #10.13) says

It does not say, "Freedom from religion" as so many poorly educated people are thinking, which no doubt many of you who wish to argue this point are like me a graduate of our public schools.”

R. Augberger (post #10.9) says

this one is about the freedom of Religion, not from it

But Thomas Jefferson disagrees. He wrote the accepted interpretation of the fist amendment, “All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution.” Pay close attention to the semicolon in Jefferson’s sentence. Everything BEFORE the semicolon is freedom OF religion; and everything AFTER the semicolon is freedom FROM religion. Perhaps it is watchman48 who is "poorly educated".

more watchman48 (same post)

As for separation of Church and state - There is no mention of that ...

and more R. Augberger (same post)

... no matter of what religious affiliation, wanted the freedom to practice it without the intrusive hand of Government to interfere.

But James Madison disagrees. He wrote, “Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” The phrase “danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies” clearly reveals that James Madison’s first amendment language was intended to keep religion out of government.

Notice Madison's use of the phrase "separation between Religion and Govt". Although the phrase "separation of Church and State" doesn't appear verbatim in the 1st Amendment, it is clearly Madison's intended interpretation of it. Also, notice that the phrase "freedom of religion" doesn't appear verbatim either.

On the other hand, government is obligated to regulate religious practices, according to Thomas Jefferson, “when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order”. Thus the government can enforce laws against religious practices like polygamy, for example in Reynolds v. United States (1879).

* * *

So, our founding fathers wanted religion to stay out of government, not necessarily for government to stay out of religion. These are the facts. If you don’t like them, that’s fine. But you may not try to twist them to suit your personal agenda.

Jim, you are absolutely correct, but I fear you are wasting your breath.

Thank you Deb P., and also Zen609 and others.

I may be wasting my breath, but I am telling the truth and I will not stop. I quoted the Founding Fathers, so these 2 posters didn't like that. Here is a sample of what they wrote (and some of these were aimed at Zen609).

Jim; You are a fool and if you contiue to deny the truth your lies will lead into hell. (10.7)

and Jim-3113262 is being even more misleading by twisting facts (10.6)

now your lying (10.12)

Your take on the religious freedoms is quaint at best (10.12)

and your completely deluded (10.12)

And your equally stupid quote (10.12)

Silly people like you (10.12)

even the s=most seasoned ignorant of you (10.9)

so many poorly educated people (10.13)

All I did was tell the truth, but these guys are actually arguing with Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. You'd think watchman48 and R. Augberger know more about the founding documents than their authors do.

And they blame my "poor education" on the public schools. Wow.

Jim -

Yeah, I also noticed the unnecessary name-calling. I wanted to get some context for R.Augberger, so I stalked his past comments, and they mostly involve name-calling - specifically insults regarding intelligence. So . . . there ya go.

Also, good catch with the 'arguing with the Founding Fathers' statement. Here's a a response from R.Augberger:

"And your equally stupid quote about the role of religion in the matter of civil duties is weak at best as it dictates your personal thought and idea making you better or worse for public duty"

To be honest, I really don't know what he was trying to say with that, but the statement he's referring to wasn't mine, it was a quote from Jefferson.

Thanks Zen. Whenever these types try to tell me what the founders thought, I can assume they are members of a certain sect.

It amazes me that these people think that crap.

Sad our government has become like the evil king again..its time we the people took the government back again..sadly, freedom is only born in blood and fire...do you think the government will just give up their cushy hi-paying powerful jobs without a fight ? They own the game and change the rules to fit their desires, its time for some serious action by the people I am afraid.

I think you are really confused as to who actually has the "cushy, high-paying jobs". that would be the wealthiest , and the ones that control your lives and ability to even find a job with their greed. and they are not in the government

the fascists will come wrapped in the flag and waving the cross, just like hitler did in his rise to power

and watchmans blather isn't even worth responding to, just another bunch of stupidity that sounds like thoses idiots that protest at military funerals

so watchman48, you wouldn't happen to be a member of westboro baptist "church" now, would you?

You've been watching waaay too many Hostel movies.

Al-Qaeda was infiltrated by the Mossad, long before 9/11. Those towers and Bldg 7 came down, not from the planes, but from nano thermite charges set well in advance. The 3 WTCs had been insured by Silverstein for billions, shortly before the attack. While there may have been al-Qaeda in the planes, they could not have set the charges.

Here is a video of Bldg 7 coming down into it's own footprint in 6.5 seconds. Remember, it wasn't even hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel

Here is a long video of experts, in architecture, metallurgy and explosives, who explain how the buildings could not possibly have come down from the planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ&feature=player_embedded#

Here is another. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

RalphH ...... clearly a baby that was dropped on his head one too many times .....

Ralph. Quit snorting sh*t up your nose. What country are you in? Only a foreigner would spout that rabble.

Look at the videos or are you afraid of the truth? Israel was behind the WTCs falling into their own footprints. I am 100% sure. Here is one of the big reasons for 9/11. It was to get us into Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban and build the TAPI gas pipleline so Israel could make trillions, selling gas to India.

On December 11, a
preliminary agreement was signed in Turkmenistan’s capital, Ashgabat, by
representatives of the four countries to proceed with plans for the American
and Israeli-backed pipeline. Here are the basic points about the TAPI pipeline:

Construction of
pipeline will be completed by 2014 (▼)

1,680 kilometer gas pipeline will supply 3.2 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day (much of
this gas will come from Israeli/Mossad-owned gas fields in Turkmenistan,
meaning immense profits for the Mossadniks who pulled of 9/11)............►The Obama
administration, elected on the promise to withdraw U.S. troops by July 2011,
now says the U.S. will maintain combat troops in Afghanistan until December
2014. On December 17, the House passed a defense authorization bill (by a
341-48 vote) that authorizes the Pentagon to spend more than $160 billion on
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2011 without major restrictions on the
conduct of operations. Why are U.S. (and NATO) troops being kept in Afghanistan
for another 4 years? What's really going on there? What is the cost and who is
involved in this game??

The real reason for the U.S. invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is to build and
secure a 1,080-mile long gas pipeline designed to carry trillions of dollars of
Israeli-owned gas from Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India. You could ask how
come Turkmenistans gas could be Israeli-owned, here is the answer:

Following the break-up of the Soviet Union, Israeli agents sought to gain control of the
strategic assets of the newly independent Soviet republics. In mineral-rich
Turkmenistan, a Mossad agent named Yosef A. Maiman was very successful in
gaining control of the republic's immense resources of natural gas. Yosef
Maiman, born in Germany in 1946, grew up in Peru and studied in the United
States before becoming an Israeli citizen in 1971. As an agent of Israeli
intelligence, Maiman heads a network of Mossad-controlled companies that serve
Israeli interests. As the chief executive of the Merhav Group, Maiman has
controlled the development of Turmenistan's gas resources. Maiman's key
colleagues at Merhav are the former head of the Mossad, Shabtai Shavit, and
Nimrod Novik, chief adviser to Shimon Peres, the current president of Israel.

Maiman was described as "a leading miner" of Central Asian gas fields by the Jerusalem
Post in 2004. Given their control of the immense gas resources of Turkmenistan,
Maiman, Merhav, and the "Mossad" would all profit if and when the
U.S.-led coalition were able to "pacify" and control Afghanistan so
that the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline could be
built allowing the gas of Turkmenistan to be sold to energy-hungry India . The TAPI pipeline
project would bring billions of dollars into "Mossad" coffers every
year. This is the real reason for the war in Afghanistan and why the
Zionist-controlled Obama administration has increased the war effort in Central
Asia. It has nothing to do with terrorism or 9-11.

Now you can easily understand why there was need for the "justification" of
this war, which was planned before the 9/11
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm). The false-flag terror
attacks of 9/11 were part of a strategic Israeli operation to bring the U.S.
military into Afghanistan on a long-term mission on behalf of Israel’s Turkmen
gas enterprise. The Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline is
the real reason that U.S. soldiers are killing and dying in the southwestern
Afghan provinces of Helmand and Kandahar. 9/11 was just the cover story for
this pre-planned war of aggression - and it is nothing but a complete hoax.

Building 7 was too far away to have come down from the tremor and hot flames? Just the other day a building in NY collapsed all by itself!

notfive0, it wasn't tremor and vibration, a huge slab of the main buildings actually sliced through several main structural members of building 7

ralphies nonsense is just an example of the standard "blame the jews" crap that has been going on for the last 2000 years.

you see, some people will believe anything as long as they can pin it on the jews

Since christianity is the religion of peace, it would serve you well to take a good look at what christianity has done the world and compare that with the record of Islam.

The new media sell stories, not write history.

Do your homework, and tell us which religion is centered by hate-distention and fear. It's also a well known fact that "Muslim" business men, prefer to conduct business with "Christian" business men, especially in the Arab world, whether they be Arab, Persian, etc.(common knowledge)

Additionally, the capital of Islam doesn't allow media to report the disgusting-horrific crimes committed by their own citizens in that country. Everybody knows that, doesn't matter if you are one of the 22 Arab countries, or English speaking nations, America, England, etc.(again common knowledge)

Christianity is based upon Love-peace and patience, in which I possess none..!

Also the capital of Islam still has slaves, plenty of slaves, I'm not speaking servants, I'm talking SLAVES, and their children are the owners slaves.!

So whats your point (prick) ?

Go live by the sword, so you can die by the same.!

Do your homework, and tell us which religion is centered by hate-distention and fear

the republican, version of right-wing, fundamentalist, pseudo-christianity, pumped by a fear-propagating media?

and it was only 150 years ago that we had slaves

Yeah Danwill, but we grew out of it didnt we? How many do you have?

Honestly, these guys are nasty harry! Is that hair on the guy's shoulders? And the beard? Good grief!

Just like the text book demolition that just recently caused a NY building to collapse all by itself?

Here it is clear that this child didn't get dropped on his head, he was slammed.

Who is the "you" you refer to? Also YOU better pray there ain't no God!

Wow, freemannogod. Dude. What are you smoking?

YOU better pray there ain't no God

That is just too funny.

YOU better pray there ain't no God!

Coyote is deeply saddened that men refuse to learn from their mistakes and keep making up invisible, non-existent gods.

we will also try you as terrorist, okey?

They could and no doubt they would get a guilty verdict. I'm not stupid and realizing they have all the time in the world to torture me, I would end it quickly by saying I did whatever they want me to say I did from A to Z. Anyone who tries to outlast enhanced interrogation is a fool.

The evidence is at the bottom of the sea. The government silenced forever the chief witness - Bin Laden. Witness tampering in The Extreme.

The witnesses they haven't killed off they have tortured.

But the government is generous enough to release damning statements from the witnesses, statements obtained by torture.

The evidence is at the bottom of the sea. The government silenced forever the chief witness - Bin Laden. Witness tampering in The Extreme.

The evidence wasn't there even when Bin Laden was alive - at least according to the FBI. The FBI is on record as saying they had no evidence Bin Laden was even involved with 911.

The evidence wasn't there even when Bin Laden was alive - at least according to the FBI. The FBI is on record as saying they had no evidence Bin Laden was even involved with 911.

SILENCE! I KEEAALLL YOU!

Oh brilliant one, did you miss the part where no country would take the prisoners after it was closed?

Jim, enhanced interrogation led to nothing, and has been proven, since Bush said he wasn't interested in getting Bin Laden any more, and I quote Bush directly, in 2006, 'Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized. … I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.' Bush dismantled the team going after Bin Laden, and was chasing ghosts in the name of fear-mongering. The closing of GITMO was out of President Obama's hands because of the GOP not wanting the prisoners moved into the U.S. or other countries to be detained OR tried via the court system. The classic Republican answer to anything Obama has tried to get done even if it was a GOP policy/Bill in Congress, before Obama was President, is....'No.' Funny how the Bush and Bin Laden families have had ties for 20+ years, but no GOP will say anything about that little tidbit of information. Also funny how Bush and Cheney won't leave the U.S. because of war crimes in Hague. Maybe President Obama should say he lied when he promised to protect the Bush Administration from any prosecution, and then we could ALL see how corrupt that Administration really was?

The new tower that they are building now will come down a lot faster than the first two. The sad thing about that is the whole city will come down on that night.

America is at fault for what happen on 9/11, but only because she has turned her back on God. The Bible proves God has used many heathen nations to come against His people that their hearts may be drawn back to Him. But America refuses to repent of her sins.

Write this on your wall somewhere that you might remember this: 9/11 was the first of three major attacks. the 2nd is soon to come; somewhere in S. California and in or near Philly and Boston and 1000 times that of the 9/11 attack. The 3rd and final you most likely will not need to worry about. God has never allowed the destruction of a people or nation that He has not warned them first. Amos 3:7

Amos? Oh yeah the Amos and Andy show. That was one funny show. Comedy at it's best.

@Watchman48

"America is at fault for what happen on 9/11, but only because she has turned her back on God."

So God is responsible for 9/11? That's quite an accusation, and you should hope that you're correct, because bearing false witness is one thing, but bearing false witness against God seems a bit more serious.

"Write this on your wall somewhere that you might remember this: 9/11 was the first of three major attacks. the 2nd is soon to come; somewhere in S. California and in or near Philly and Boston and 1000 times that of the 9/11 attack. The 3rd and final you most likely will not need to worry about."

You know you're betting you're eternal soul on this statement, right? Because if this doesn't happen, it makes you a follower of a False Prophets, and apparently, you will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

So, what do you mean by "soon", because if this doesn't happen "soon", or at all, I would like to be able to remind people in the comment threads here that despite you're claim of Christianity, that you are, in reality, a follower of False Prophets, an enemy of Christ.

Also, if you have any information regarding some impending terrorist attack, I believe you are legally obligated to report that to the the authorities - in fact, it may be a serious crime if you do not.

You nailed it, Zen. I laughed so hard I had tears.

Actually, I think the Biblical God is a false prophet. The only true God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

@watchman48

Didn't mommy give you your meds today? The second attack will happen "somewhere in Southern California or Philly or Boston".. Or maybe Detroit or Dallas or Miami orAtlanta or...etc, etc. You are really a certified nut job!

What bible do you read that has the "book of Amos"?

Holy crap! I typed 'you're' instead of 'your'?

UGH

Interestingly enough - I feel a great deal more shame for that than all my past, present, and, hopefully, future fornication combined.

This is a good example of contrasting moralities.

What's weird is that I was called a 'retard' for believing that conspiracies exist. Funny that.

well, there is no doubt that some conspiracies exist, but most of the "big ones" are nonsense

This 911 stuff that Obama is using to make himself look like some kind of hero is really turning me off on the guy. He said from the beginning of his prresidency with regard to taking a close look at went on before him, he would prefer looking forward than backward. I realize that trying to stand up to the shady characters might put his family and himself at risk, but he doesn't have to go around looking like he is enjoying it! He is coming off as one of their stooges. Unfortunately, I still have to vote for him come November. Obama has no real challenge, given what he is running against. I don't think this country has ever reached such a low point in its history as it has today.