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Subscribe to RSSEven the judge became frustrated with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during a hearing at Guantanamo Bay as he refused to answer questions. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
Updated at 11:57 a.m. ET: GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba -- The U.S. has finally started the prosecution of five Guantanamo Bay prisoners charged in the Sept. 11 attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people, but the trial won't be starting anytime soon, and both sides said Sunday that the case could continue for years.
Defense lawyer James Connell said a tentative trial date of May 2013 is a "placeholder" until a true date can be set for the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-described mastermind of the attacks, and his co-defendants.
"It's going to take time," said the chief prosecutor, Army Brig. Gen. Mark Martins, who said he expects to battle a barrage of defense motions before the case goes to trial.
"I am getting ready for hundreds of motions because we want them to shoot everything they can shoot at us," he said in the wake of Saturday's arraignment, which dragged on for 13 hours due to stalling tactics by the defendants.
"Everyone is frustrated by the delay," Martins said. He noted that the civilian trial of convicted Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui took four years, and he pleaded guilty in 2006 before being sentenced to life in prison.
Janet Hamlin / AP
In this photo of a sketch by courtroom artist Janet Hamlin and reviewed by the U.S. Department of Defense, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed reads a document during his military hearing at the Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba, Saturday.
On Saturday, Mohammed and his co-defendants refused to respond to the judge or use the court's translation system and demanded a lengthy reading of the charges. One of them got up and started praying.
Connell called the tactics "peaceful resistance to an unjust system."
The arraignment, Connell said, "demonstrates that this will be a long, hard-fought but peaceful struggle against secrecy, torture and the misguided institution of the military commissions."
The defendants' actions outraged relatives of the victims.
"They're engaging in jihad in a courtroom," said Debra Burlingame, whose brother, Charles, was the pilot of the plane that flew into the Pentagon. She watched the proceeding from Brooklyn on one of the closed-circuit video feeds around the United States.
A handful of those who lost family members in the attacks were selected by a lottery and flown to watch the proceedings at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, where Mohammed and his co-defendants put off their pleas until a later date.
They face 2,976 counts of murder and terrorism in the 2001 attacks that sent hijacked jetliners into New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The charges carry the death penalty.
The detainees' lawyers spent hours questioning the judge, Army Col. James Pohl, about his qualifications to hear the case and suggested their clients were being mistreated at the hearing, in a strategy that could pave the way for future appeals. Mohammed was subjected to a strip search and "inflammatory and unnecessary" treatment before court, said his attorney, David Nevin.
Anonymous / AP
At left a March 1, 2003 photo obtained by the Associated Press shows Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged Sept. 11 mastermind, shortly after his capture during a raid in Pakistan. At right, a photo downloaded from the Arabic language Internet site www.muslm.net and purporting to show a man identified by the Internet site as Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the accused mastermind of the Sep. 11 attacks, is seen in detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
It was the defendants' first appearance in more than three years after stalled efforts to try them for the terror attacks.
The Obama administration renewed plans to try the men at Guantanamo Bay after a bid to try the men in New York City blocks from the trade center site hit political opposition. Officials adopted new rules with Congress that forbade testimony obtained through torture or cruel treatment, and they now say that defendants could be tried as fairly here as in a civilian court.
Nevin said it would be impossible to present testimony against his client that wasn't corrupted by treatment that he says amounted torture. "It's not possible to untaint the evidence any more than it is to unring a bell."
Eddie Bracken of Staten Island, New York, was one of the victims' relatives allowed to attend the hearing, and said it was important to him to see the people accused of killing his sister, Lucy Fishman, a Brooklyn mother of two who worked in the World Trade Center.
He said he came away with impressed with the military justice system, with defense lawyers putting up an aggressive defense.
"If they had done this another country it would have been a different story," Bracken said Sunday. "But this is America."
Human rights groups and defense lawyers say the secrecy of Guantanamo and the military tribunals will make it impossible for the defense. They argued the U.S. kept the case out of civilian court to prevent disclosure of the treatment of prisoners like Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times.
Attorney General Eric Holder announced in 2009 that Mohammed and his co-defendants would be tried blocks from the site of the destroyed trade center in downtown Manhattan, but the plan was shelved after New York officials cited huge costs to secure the neighborhood and family opposition to trying the suspects in the U.S.
Congress then blocked the transfer of any prisoners from Guantanamo to the U.S., forcing the Obama administration to refile the charges under a reformed military commission system.
Mohammed, a Pakistani citizen who grew up in Kuwait and attended college in Greensboro, North Carolina, has admitted to military authorities that he was responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks "from A to Z," as well as about 30 other plots, and that he personally killed Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Mohammed was captured in 2003 in Pakistan.
Ramzi Binalshibh was allegedly chosen to be a hijacker but couldn't get a U.S. visa and ended up providing assistance such as finding flight schools. Walid bin Attash, also from Yemen, allegedly ran an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan and researched flight simulators and timetables. Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi is a Saudi accused of helping the hijackers with money, Western clothing, traveler's checks and credit cards. Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, a Pakistani national and nephew of Mohammed, allegedly provided money to the hijackers.
During the failed first effort to prosecute the men at the base in Cuba, Mohammed mocked the tribunal and said he and his co-defendants would plead guilty and welcome execution. The lawyers' statements indicate that plan has changed.
NBC News' Michael Isikoff contributed to this story from The Associated Press.
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I don't see the point of keeping them alive for this long if we can't torture them. We should hurry up and send them to Allah so that we can concentrate on the real problems this country faces.
Why give them peace?
I believe that if the death penalty is given to them, it will take years going through appeals processes, etc. and then after 13 or so years of taking care of the slimy bastards, they would be gently given injections to ease them into sleep and then death. My solution: Pay Mexico a few pesos to keep them in their jail for the next 15 or 20 years, put them on a well balanced diet of PORK and beans and then dress them in womens clothes, complete with mascara, lipstick, high heels, etc. Give them a parade of about 10 miles to honor 911, Then bring them back to the USA where the death penalty is legal and send them to Allah.
Hang them now and feed their carcasses to the pigs.
Life in prison with pictures of their victims pasted on the walls and cielings.
OMG that would be cruel to the pigs. Better to hang them above a pit of acid and slowly, very slowly while still alive, lower them into it. Feet first and leave them there til the acid eats away at their flesh and then their legs, their knees and so on. While that is going on have a light mist of acid be sprayed all over their bodies so the acid causes burns all over their bodies. Let the process take as long as possible and air it on every tv channel for all to see. Let them feel what it is like to burn to death just like they did to so many on 9/11. Do it now and the hell with the trial. Justice is taking way to long!
These savage muslims will continue to make a joke of this courtroom with their antics they are quite aware that nothing will happen to them. Should this happen in their so called justice all will be beaten up and forced to listen and immediately sentence to death regardless. It's best for the court to separate these barbarian and deal with them individually whether they will listen or not. All these cowards will do is continue disrupt the court proceding with their antics knowing western values is softer then their savage barbarian life values. If a western person did what they did in their country, he won't be alive by now, just look how animalistic they become when the satanic verse book got burned, even when that Florida pastor threathen to burn a satanic verse koran, all those satanic followers in muslim countries became ballistic idiotic clowns. Behead them one by one in front of all 11 defendants this way they can see how it is,I know it sound barbaric butl that's what they did to Pearl the journalist beheaded alive by ksm. Equal justice as they claim should be applied to them as well.
lonereb
They would probably enjoy that.
I can't believe that they are being given a trial. They don't deserve one.
Why can't one of our Marines guarding them go apesh*t and blast these monkeys with a bullet to the brain? He could claim temporary insanity and I, for one, would contribute to a fund to help him when he gets acquitted.
Too bad we can't just kill these f^ckers and move on!
The trial really isn't for them, consider that. The trial is to prove we still do it, and basically, that's why these clowns get what they deserve. I'm sure at some point, these crybaby jihadists will spend the rest of their time in solitary confinement. Its really better than either killing or torturing them.
This brainwashed mass murdering Islamic terrorist is already on the hot seat.He has admitted what he did and is proud of it.Just turn on the electric juice on his chair and send him off to meet his angelic virgons in hell...Off we go!!
Treat them as a prisoner in their country would be treated in other words, shoot them in the head and drag their bodies down the road. First cut off their right hand making sure they survive, force pig fat down their throats and then kill them.
Do we want a justice system, or a revenge system?
Justice is absolute. Revenge is relative. Do we want anyone able to take revenge for anything that bothers them?
Isn't the whole point to America that we are better than these people?
We are.
Americans have killed innocent Afghanis too - witness the recent rampage against sleeping Afghani civilians. Their murderers are also on trial. All murderers get put on trial and all murderers get a trial. This is our law.
over 3000+ innocent lives are gone..i have NO MERCY for such Hateful Murderous Scum..to waste time & tax payers money is just as Sinful..America, Must Come to their Senses..We Will Not Be Abused, Tortured/ Murdered, With Out Swift Justice & Final Iron Handed Actions of Rule........
The Judge needs to have a super soaker filled with pigs blood, and when they start acting up just hose them down. After they are found guilty, drown them in pigs blood and bury them with a pig, just to make sure they go to hell.
Jeeesus, I agree with you 100%! Revenge is OK with me. As jeeesus said above, 3,000+ innocent lives are gone. It should never have come this far anyway. As soon as these savage murderous animals admitted the guilt of their monstrous act, they should have been taken to an undisclosed location, lined up against a wall and shot, followed by an Osama Bin Laden type burial. This would have been a lot cheaper to the American taxpayer and probably kinder to the families and loved ones of those lost on 9/11. But sadly, the leftist liberals running the current administration would rather coddle these terrorists and treat them with kid gloves!
Bryon, While I agree with you to some, extent were do we draw the line when it comes to THEIR actions. I'm sure the families of the victims are livng 9/11 all over again and more so with their disrespect and actions. How do we give them respect and consideration when they didn't have that for the people they killed. IMO the justice system has put forth yrs upon yrs of consideration to give them a fair trail. That alone is more than they ever gave their victims. These monsters are enjoying every minute of their lives and more so by mocking us. Yet until they are excuted there will be no closure to the victims families. Til their deaths their hearts and minds are in constant turmoil. These monsters are still winning. To them death is nothing, to us it means great loss for those that live on. That don't even care about life! But if we torture them before they die, maybe then they will conprehend what their actions did to others.
I see a lot of commenters here have no problem with rounding up a few random people, holding a secret, kangaroo-court trial, pronouncing their victims guilty, and torturing and killing the victims. For those who believe in an afterlife, it would be rather appropriate if you found yourself on the receiving end of the treatment you advocate. If our government really thought it had genuine conspirators and the evidence to prove the claim, it would try them in open civilian court as a demonstration that we do not engage in cheap tactics to railroad random scapegoats to satisfy the bloodlust of our baser citizens. As that is not the road that our government is taking, it does not believe it holds actual perpetrators -- not that that matters to most of the people here. After all, we have the attitude of "Revenge is OK with me; round up some innocents that sorta' have a similar belief system and cheer as we show our raw power, followed by an Osama Bin Laden type burial." I want better for our country. Sadly, I am in the minority.
I agree they don't deserve a trial. Execute them and any other terrorists cought her in the US too.
You get cought red handed trying to blow something up and you are a terrorist.
Burly @ 1.1
It's not so much about giving them as it is about giving us peace.
Everyone, no matter how horrible the act, has the RIGHT to a trial.
And before you morons call me slurs like "terrorist lover" I hope they get executed swiftly, but I will be DAMNED before I watch you say they don't deserve a trial.
Any expectation that these bozos are going to cooperate is naive at best. And giving them the death penalty would be far too easy. Convict them and then throw them into the general population of the worst maximum security prison we have for the rest of their lives. Bet they'll stop laughing then.
Given the rate at which prisoners "find God," that might not be such a good idea. Inmates at supermaxes already hate the system and have little to live for. They would be ripe for becoming radicalized.
Keep these deranged psychopaths in isolation for the rest of their lives. I hear that's one of the worst things you can do to someone.
Here's an idea to keep these POS' from disrupting the court. Hand & leg cuff them to the chairs to where they can't even move enough to remove the earphones. If it was up to me each one off these POS' would be attending court in a straight jacket.
Really?,
"they will be reduced to something resembling a human being in shape only."
I agree, except to say that they would not be "reduced" to something resembling a human being in shape only; that is what they already are, i.e., something resembling a human being in shape only!
To torture them would be to give in to savagery. A savagery that we, as a 21st century society claim to have left behind in the dust of history. To try to give these men a fair trial is an exercise in futility and waste of time and yet that's exactly what we must try to do. After the trial and conviction however (and there will be both a trial and conviction) I think we simply take them out and behead them, a punishment they would certainly understand. And each in turn can watch the decapitation of each before and their last thought might be that though we at least TRY to be a civilized society, they have @!$%#ed with the WRONG people!!! And I am a "bleeding heart" liberal progressive who has watched the totally inept and incompetent American right bloviate and bluster and do absolutely NOTHING about keeping this nation secure. Other than to burn trillions of dollars from our national treasury in useless wars with nothing in return.
Really give them to the DEA they have experience at forgetting prisoners. convict and sentence to death then they can spend 23 hours a day in their cell. Just forget to carry out the sentence of execution. We do it to our murderers why not to these.
Really?,
"Placing them in solitary confinement will reduce them to something feral. A thing driven by base needs only. The search for food being the primary goal."
That's true, but only if they are more or less extroverted personalities. It is difficult for extroverts to comprehend, but introverts actually love solitude. An extreme introvert finds the company of others hard to bear. The early desert fathers of Christianity such as St. Anthony are a good example of the introverted personality. They deliberately isolated themselves from others so they could be alone with God. So I don't think solitary confinement would have the same deleterious effect on them. Was it John Donne who said, "Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage. Minds innocent and quiet take that for a hermitage."? I don't know how quiet these men's minds are, but I doubt they are innocent.
Better yet, let's announce a week before hand that they will be released blindfolded and handcuffed behind the back at ground zero in New York. Police will cordon off and evacuate the surrounding area. Anyone who can prove relationship to those killed on 9-11 will be allowed in with 1 hand held object. No fiearms. Tasers allowed. Complete news blackout over the area.
Let justice be served.
AG99 - now THAT'S a good suggestion !
If they are to be kept alive they should have the minimum money spent housing them, feeding them and clothing them. Solitary would be a good way to go.
@Mickey,
You may be right about these guys finding solitary confinement to be pleasant. So what if we piped some song or other in a never-ending, continuous loop into their peaceful solitude. It can't be too loud - that would be torture, that's unAmerican, but just loud enough that it can't be ignored. Maybe that American Pie song - you know "my my Miss American Pie, drove my Chevy levy but the levy was dry . . . I still feel nauseous remembering the sheer number of times radio stations played it 30 years ago.
Or, oh I don't know, anything that could get annoying after hearing it countless times. Old episodes of Mr. Ed - "Wiiiilllbuuuuur, don't be a sore loser, I'll let you win the next game of chess." Or how about a collection of Mitt Romney's 10 greatest speeches - "corporations are people, my friends" over and over and over again.
Do you still think they'd like solitary?
I think it would be funny to make them do all the things muslims aren't supposed to do.
Lock them in a room with nothing to eat except pork. And the only thing to wash it down with is a nice cold beer.
Then turn them over to an extremist society of muslims, with evidence of their pork eating and alchohol drinking, and their own friends will kill them.
benji2,
You may be on to something there, especially the one about Romney's 10 greatest speeches!
You're all mindless idiots ... if you think for one minute that these people are guilty of what you're told, you're @!$%#ing morons!
Grow the @!$%# up and understand that the media/government is throwing this @!$%# in your face and you are buying it ...hook, line and sinker! You are nothing more than puppets ... and, as puppets, you will buy anything they throw at you! Why? Because you're ignorant, uneducated fools who believe the US government is working for your benefit. If you are that ignorant, then you fully deserve what you get. Please don't complain when you finally realize that you have been scammed by the same people you voted for to defend your rights as a "citizen".
First off, BlueLake, I love you for that.
Second, dms, as right as you are, you sound like a psychotic nutjob, stop typing frantically and act civilized.
These guys have absolutely nothing to lose. They are not afraid to die. Thank heavens this was kept out of civilian courts. They will mock our systems and make a joke out of the whole thing. We will get the last laugh in the end.
Why do you hate our Constitution, and the system of justice embodied in it, so much?
It means he knows that someone would hunt them down and kill them all. I'd give them a week, tops, free in New York.
wow a week, your generous the mob would kill them leaving the court house.
I don't hate our constitution but I don't see our media foloowing it. We try our own people in the media why treat these people better than we do American citizens.
To EarlyOut-1524710.... Can you please show me where in the Constitution does it say that scum like that should be tried in the civilian court? Why are you blabbing BS? You are probably the one who thinks that the US brought 9/11 upon itself because of poor treatment of Muslims. Get over your selfrighchesness and show some respect for the victims and families of 9/11.
Scotty
They may not be afraid to die, but they are very afraid of being killed in a manner that will keep them out of heaven.
Allah isn't going to accept those that bastardize the Koran. These guys are tricked into thinking they are following their sacred book when they are actually disrespecting it. I gather many of the terrorist minions can't actually read and just go along with what the extremists shove down their throats.
Killing them will martre them...they will become holy in the eyes of other jihadists. Put them into a prison for the criminally insane (along side of Charles Manson) for the rest of their lives and feed them lots of pork products.
They should get life in prison. And who ever waterboarded them 183 times should get life too.
Zuksam:
Those ppl who waterboarded them - I wonder how many lives they saved ? MANY, I would assume.
They should NOT be given "life" - they should be given MEDALS.
Do we lose our souls when allowing torture ? maybe. But I'll give up my soul ANY DAY, to save thousands of lives. I hope that, when the time comes, that those waterboarders meet their maker, they stand tall.
The people that should get prison too are the lawyers wasting taxpayers money on holding things up. I know they are supposed to do thier best but they are Americans the defendants are not. These terrorists are guilty of way more than just 9/11. I really hope those lawyers have trouble sleeping at night.
Yes, JamMan - it's those pesky lawyers...ALWAYS.
Do you know where the Shakespere Play's verbiage "First, let's kill all the lawyers" comes from ?
The government was trying to take away the people's rights.
SO - let's kill all the lawyers, because they defend terrorists AS OUR LAWS DEMAND.
THEN...let's take away rights of ppl just "Accused" of terror.
THEN, let's take away rights of those pesky child molesters; and, after that, those who are just accused.
THEN...
THEN....
Can we please just take the cheap, quick method and put a bullet in the back of their head? Clearly they are guilty, and they are making a mockery out of our American Justice System. Putting them on trial and spending a ton of money trying to prove that they aren't terrorists is pointless.
I hope they serve bacon in hell for these mother!@#$ers
I don't understand these idiots that want to give them a trial....did they give our 3000 or more victims a trial......They are laughing and joking in the so-called courtrooms and we take it. Why is this idiotic administrations doing this BS.
confinement....might even be to good for them. We have people saying they shouldn't be tortured....Are you kidding?????
The farce of the American defense lawyers sickens me as they try to attack our government and oour selves to defend these pos. Why aren't there any "Muslim-American" lawyers willing or capable of taking their @!$%#ty cases? I would disown any daughter of mine who wore one of their disgusting burkhas as one defense lawyer did, also trying to urge the women prosecutors to dress lke Muslims? In America!!!Why are we even listening to their idiotic and moronic opinions about what is appropriate for woomen? For God's sake do we take into aaccount every other criminal on trial for murder in the U.S. and his or her hypocritical opinions on appropriate dress by attorneys? Give me a break. Makes me want to vomit. Everyone does NOT have a right to a defense, as those publicity hungry bottom feeder defense lawyers like to say when criticized by some of the cases they take that are beyond the pale. Only if you are an American citizen do you have a right to a defense when charged with a crime. These people are terrorists and should be "tried" if there is any trial at all, in a military courtroom. Hanging is too good for them.
That is what you get when you torture people. No matter what a monster the defendant is we cannot forsake our humanity. If we do we will get these results. Or worse. We invaded Iraq based on false intelligence info partially obtained through torture. Result - illegal attack on a sovereign nation, thousands of our soldiers dead, over a hundred thousand Iraqis dead, our prestige and respect in the world severely damaged. Why did it happen? Because we became like them. We thought that ends justify the means. They don't. Time to take America back and stick to old system of respect of human rights and normal judicial procedure.
An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, that's what they believe and understand.
Yeah, but it's not supposed to be what WE believe. You start thinking like them, they've won.
You are only as civilized as your enemies or you resort to what the Romans did, simply exterminate your enemies.
f--k u musafir
respect what???? them????/
Fine, I concede the victory to them then, but at least I know there will be a few less of them at the victory celebration.
You sound like some Muslim would-be propagandist, with your clumsy, stupid arguments. We don't give a flying @!$%# what people like you think. Why should America be held to a foreign standard? Did any of the Muslims in the Middle East apologize for the 3,000 dead? Did anyonoe try to distance themselves from these pigs who slaughtered innocent people for their "faith" I hope the Homeland Security, CIA and FBI are all looking at your IPO, dip@!$%#. They need to track you down and treat you in an appropriate manner. Guess what that is?
blah, blah, blah, mustafir, or whatever your real @!$%#ing name is. blah, blah, blahand may the angells of death laugh you to sleep.
Since we probably have as much relevant info as we are going to why don't we shooot them during an escape attempt?
This trial is a mockery of the justice system. Stop wasting money and just kill them. Wretched humans who will pay the price in the after life they want so badly. Let's help them get there.
Yes, our system of justice is a mockery of the justice system!! ....wait, what?
Since death would be too easy for these guys, let's give them mandatory parts in a gay burlesque show. And then record it. And then make them watch it in the style of "A Clockwork Orange".
Yep. That oughta do it.
Give them a sex change and release them in Afghanistan.
Sun 5/6/12 WOW ! Now that's a Great Idea ! The Taliban would Freak Out !
I haven't thought of that but that would be REAL Justice for these S O B's
What were You smoking when ya thought That One Up ? Great Laugh ! SPW
Ya and we'll force feed them pork seven days a week.
Wow, the majority of the comments so far... just kill them, just lock them up in the worst possible place, make their lives a living hell. I'm not saying they don't deserve it, but look at us! Aren't we better than this? Or are we just like them? It's not about perpetrating some charade in the hopes that they'll cooperate, but about offering them an opportunity to cooperate. If they decline, then they're the ones that look obnoxious. Always remember that however they are treated, is the way any one of us could be treated some day. We are judged by how we treat the lowest of our society, and there are none lower than these. Let us demonstrate that we are capable of respecting human life (even if they don't) while still heavily condemning their actions.
I totally agree with you..except that they aren't a part of our society. They have zero desire to be, in fact, they'd rather see us all dead with our society burned to the ground.
And wanting justice for the murder of 3,000+ people doesn't make us like them. If we were truly like them, we could easily send over a few nukes and wipe out the middle east. But we won't. Because we're not like them.
I agree HN-1558401, but only to a certain extent. The strength of the Light depends upon our ability to "witness the 'dark' without attachment" (Hopi Prophecy). Providing care or life-giving support in prison as well as surrendering to violence does not 'witness without attachment'. Neither does allowing these terroists to suck the life and energy out of our legal systems and continue to mock our Country and the families of the victims. Simple proposal: Firing Squad where half of the shooters use blanks and no one knows who. No attachment, simply witness the evil and end it.... anonymously.
HN, you must be a kindergarten teacher. You are telling us how to get a star on our report card and the good opinions of others. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. And I can tell you have never lost a loved person to some nutty, delusional and evil terrorist. Pray you never do, but try to get a little perspective and empathy for those who aren't as lucky as you are living thrubefore you preach the kiindergarten teacher mantra.
Lil' Debbie, I am not a kindergarten teacher. I am someone who has known indescribable anguish and the unfulfilled desire to see someone dead. Seeing another punished for their violations against you never brings complete satisfaction. As someone who makes every effort to live in the present, to look forward and to keep past pain in the past (a never ending effort), I know that to do so changes my approach to the present. I feel I'm a better person for it--cleaner in my soul, if you will--and it pains me to witness the mean-spiritedness of this society. Oh, I understand it completely. Nor do I argue that these criminals aren't deserving of harshness. I've just moved to a different place and felt motivated to speak for it. I want to believe that we all have it within ourselves to carry out justice ideally--blindly and dispassionately, that we have it in us to be better than this and set a civilized example for the world.
How many people have lost their lives due to the American aggression? Sept 11 was a blessing in disguise.
I wonder if you'd still think that if someone you loved died during the 9/11 attacks.
warren-1380094 you must be a raghead
warrun, A BLESSING in disguise yusay???????? You sir are a FREAKING IDIOT! Tis too bad you were not there in that tower when it came down methinks. You sound like an Islaaaahmist jakkass to me. Either that or a very serious "Wannabee" one.
Unbelievable...I thought the guy that claimed that 'bush and company were totally in bed with these guys' was the most absurd thing I have ever heard. This is incredibly idiotic.
Hey Warren! I would love to meet you and give you a "blessing"! You piece @!$%#! I wish you would express those thoughts in public and receive a little "Amercian aggression" yourself. You filthy F'in animal. Rot in hell you dog! I just wish someone would throw a shoe at you! Do me a favor and drop dead!
Surely you jest.
5/6/12 Obviously YOU are just attempting to Piss People Off with Your Statement
Well It Worked. Now but sure the answer that knock at your door & then You @!$%# Your Pants as the F B I
is placing hand-cuffs on You. SPW "Airborne"
These people are not the "masterminds" of the 9/11 attacks. Research events yourself without corporate marketing tool media influence.
You saw "Loose Change" too?
I also have YouTube.
bush and company were totally in bed with these guys back in the late 80's. Suddenly, they had no idea who they were. And then they speculated, "maybe it has something to do with operation cyclone."
Please provide proof to back up your comments...
Wow. This may be the most ridiculous statement ever...'bush and company were totally in bed with these guys in the late 80's.' Unbelievable.
Hey YOURLIVER! I have more evidence that you are an @!$%# than you do about your ridiculous statement. Put down the bottle, man, before "yourliver" suffers fron cirrohsis - IDIOT!
Sorry Marc Nell , Justice could have been served just as well as soon as they were captured dead or alive...
They should have been captured just like bin Laden : Dead or alive. Preferably dead.
There is no chance of justice without trial. MSNBC comments rival those of youtube these days.
Somebody should just jump up and beat the $hit out of these a$$holes if they say or do anything out of line again.
i agree with you. but after they have been beaten to a pulp, take the up into planes and throw them out.
Since they are uncooperative, let them rot and go mad in solitary confinement. I wouldn't even let them exercise or socialize for an hour.
Killing them will give them peace.
Families would have been enraged no matter what. And they have every right. Free Bradley Manning, go after real criminals.
The Families have every right to their anger. Be done with these moron masterminds...
These guys know they are all going to get the needle. The "trial" is just theater. They have nothing to gain by cooperating
I know it is easier said than done, but you have to let whatever these dumb@sses say just wash off of you. They worship the words of a wife-beating pedophile. Who even knows who wrote or said what. Prophet my @ss. They worship one thing: what makes them fell good in the next ten minutes. I used to think muslims were so dedicated, but I know firsthand they drink during ramazan, don't adhere to fasting when they feel weak and tired (I thought that was the point), and were very into pornography. That is not to mention the hashish. These guys even take in boys (for pleasure), so anything they say is literally horsecr@p and just flavor of the day.
SCREW Obammer.HOLDER and ALL the rest of the MU-SLIME LOVERS in DC and OUR COUNTRY-REMEMBER THAT OBUTTWIPE INVITED THE MUSLIME BROTHER HOOD IN TO OUR WHITE HOUSE---TAKE this trash---YES TRASH out TIE to POST and DO as was done after WWII ---A BULLET in the head AFTER STUFFING their mouth with a PORK CHOP!
NO OBUTTWIPE and OBIDEN in 2012!
Hammer the Americans hard enough, and you forge the best weapon in the world."
-- Captain Simeon Ecuyer...in a letter written to Colonel Bouquet during the siege of Fort Pitt
"The above was brought to you by a DHS-CERTIFIED TERRORIST---A VIETNAM COMBAT MARINE-AMONG OTHER PLACES---a VETERAN with an ATTITUDE" jscusmc69 65-2005 USMC RVN 65&67
Screw you idiot cons and your sole source of "news" called FUX Noise if you idiot "heroes" Cheney and Bush hadn't made torture government policy and ended up embarrassing our country as well as trashing the economy maybe we could claim to be more moral. As it is in any court here in this country if you morons had been treated in this fashion you would be released with the charges dropped and a multimillion dollar award in your pocket did you ever think of that?
It would have been just as disgusting to have the "million dollar reward" inmy pocket resulting from a travesty of justice as if these pos were to receive it. Just what is your point? Do you actually believe these people to be innocent of wrongdoing? And where the hell is YOUR proof? Were you there when they "masterminded" the clumsy @!$%# they got involved in trying to kill more Americans?Remember these are self-described "Masterminds." I wouldn't brag about it if I were them because they were total screwups. One even overslept and failed to carry out his part of the particular terrorist act. Losers, probably would starve in their own country, not even capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time. Yes, this is their 15 minutes of fame. The only fame they ever will have in their sorry lives. I wish retroactive abortion would be develooped. What a great scientific advance that would be!!!
Funny how the article has to make a point of how KSM was waterboarded 183 times, yet no mention is made of how the defense attorney is requesting that all women in the courtroom cover themselves up out of respect for the defendant's religious beliefs. Yay! Liberal agenda news media strikes again.
I wouldn't cover up so as not to offend this scum in fact to show my disrespect I would wear an outfit as skimpy as possible. They have no respect for us why should we bend over backwards to show them respect.
Respect for terrorists. Funny, real funny! And restrain them so they can't look away or take off headphones.
I like that "skimpy outfit," remark, but, would you bend forward to show your disrespect to them?
I am a liberal but I have no sympathy for these terrorists and trolls, so don't insult my beliefs, thank you very much. I believe they should be executed and it's too bad they didn't get them the same way they got Osama: Dead or alive. Preferably dead. Saves our taxpayer money and certainly gets rid of an evil walking the earth.
Just go through the motions of a trial. Dont ask if they agree or disagree on any motions at all . Then take them to a nice quiet spot where no one can see there crazy attention gettining actions and sever their head. After all thats what he did to the New York Times reporter.
1.55m Iraqi, Palestinians, Somalians, Yemenians and Lebanese massacred by the Great Satan, most of them innocent civilian men, women and thousands of children and infants - and counting and the American people are enraged? Hey the United Snakes (US/Israel/NATO) are the real war criminals - any questions Pilgrims? If the Great Satan hadn't been financing Jewish terrorism and murder WTC wouldn't have ever happened. Feliz Cinco de Mayo + 1, another victory celebrated against the European killers!
fake cowboy,
You have issues....
As Law and Order viewers know, defendants have a right to seek exclusion of reliable evidence probative of their guilt. Justices imposed this "exclusionary rule" upon the states in 1961 after refusing to do so in 1949. Sold as protecting public privacy against police misconduct, this was actually a right exclusively for criminals. As Justice Frankfurter observed: "exclusion of evidence ... serves only to protect those upon whose person or premises something incriminating has been found." The innocent may sue for privacy violations but cannot reap the special court-created benefit of being freed despite clear proof of guilt of even the worst crimes.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/high_court_humpty_dumptys.html#ixzz1u6N0u6Vv