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Subscribe to RSSWASHINGTON -- The United States has been secretly releasing detainees from a military prison in Afghanistan as part of negotiations with insurgent groups, the Washington Post reported in its Monday editions.
The "strategic release" program has allowed American officials over the past several years to use prisoners as bargaining chips to reduce violence in restive provinces, it said, citing U.S. officials who it said spoke on condition of anonymity.
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The freed detainees are often fighters who would not be released under the legal system for military prisoners in Afghanistan. They must promise to give up violence, the report said.
Rahmat Gul / AP
More than ten years after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.
Officials would not say whether those who have been released have later returned to attack U.S. and Afghan troops, the Post said.
Releases have come amid efforts to end the war through negotiation, which is central to the Obama administration's strategy for exiting Afghanistan, the report said.
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Those efforts have yielded little to no progress in recent years. In part, they have been stymied by the unwillingness of the United States to release five prisoners from Guantanamo Bay — a gesture insurgent leaders have said they see as a precondition for peace talks, the report said.
Unlike at Guantanamo, releasing prisoners from the Parwan detention center does not require congressional approval and can be done secretly, the Post said.
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The program's goal is to quell violence in areas where NATO is unable to ensure security. Releases are intended to produce tactical gains, the Post said.
On the one-year anniversary of the death of Osama bin Laden, President Obama made an unannounced visit to Afghanistan and said his goal "to defeat al-Qaida and deny it a chance to rebuild is now within our reach." NBC's Atia Abawi reports.
'Outside of normal protocol'
U.S. officials would not say how many detainees have been released under the program, though they said such cases are relatively rare. The program has existed for several years.
"The Afghans have come to us with information that might strengthen the reconciliation process," the newspaper quoted U.S. Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker as saying. "Many times we do act on it."
Releases through the secret program from Parwan must be approved by the top U.S. military commander and military lawyer, and are the only exceptions to the prison's judicial review board, the Post said.
The strategic partnership forged between the U.S. and Afghanistan commits a war-weary American public to at least another 12 years in the country. Tony Blinken, national security advisor to Vice President Joe Biden, discusses.
It quoted one official as saying the procedure was "outside of our normal protocol," the paper said.
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And our leaders are stupid enough to believe that releasing these terrorists will give them cause to stop? I wanted to say something else but the more politically correct version is "Get your head out of your uim you know.
How stupid is this besides also being sold out by BO.
As I have said before, this guy will bring America to her knees as a subject nation instead of a leader nation with 4 more years.
Dronebee, where've you been, under a rock? The GBs have already brought us to our knees! What do
you suggest we do with these guys after ten years of babysitting?
These Afghani prisoners are obviously not that dangerous otherwise US would not have released them. Essentially, it is an admission that they are political prisoners.
The recent series of event have demonstrated America's eagerness in getting out of Afghanistan: publicly announcing America's exit from Afghanistan; regularly negotiate with the Talibans; safe passage granted to the Taliban leaderships; reduction in military operations during the negotiation; and release of Taliban prisoners to further negotiation.
All of the above are reminiscent of the protracted Vietnam War negotiation conducted by Henry Kissinger and Le Doc Thuo (sic). In the end, America lied to everyone, especially the American people, with slogans such as "Peace with Honor" as an exit strategy. Even before the ink was dried on the peace treaty, North Vietnamese tanks were crashing into and surrounding major South Vietnam government buildings as well as the US Embassy. Americans fled not in an orderly manner, but hurried using Huey helicopters as the only safe passage. As the Americans ran from South Vietnam witha tail between its legs, there was neither Peace nor honor.
Defeated and bled dried by the Taliban, America will abandoned Kabul the same way as it abandoned Saigon. Kabul will be renamed just as Saigon renamed as Ho Chi Minh City. And what about the fleeing Americans? The American government will declare a great victor and have a big confetti parade in NY Time Square in celebration of the liberation of Afghanistan from the Taliban.
The American people will eat it up. Swallow it up.
Dronebee-2008279 --
I do not believe that this situation is entirely the fault of Mr. Obama. The previous administration, especially Mr. Cheney, had a lot to do with this. You mention being sold out by BO, but have you looked at the U.S. Congress?
I am a Republican and a veteran. You need to stop wagging your finger, and pay attention to the facts. Those are, both Republicans and Democrats took up the challenge of where the Soviet Union and the Russians failed.
In the combined political belief that the U.S. could get the job done, we now are in a gigantic money whirlpool. The military expenses in Afghanistan are totally unbelievable, in sucking dollars, and in injuries and lives.
All of us must wake up and realize that we cannot change the ethics or mores of a 14th century feudal system, and drag them in 2012.
The U.S. and NATO forces need to get out of Afghanistan NOW, no later than June 30, 2012. Let the feudal societies fight amongst themselves. I do not give a damn who wins. We just need to put them on notice that if they screw with us, we will nuke them, and turn their civilized areas into glass deserts.
Let me get this straight....
We're releasing terrorists who promise to be good.
They are holding at least one american hostage.
This is good how?
Man, we need Ron Paul bad.
Yeah, at least Dr. Paul will end the pointless wars and the "nation building". Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq has been rebuilt that well by Americans, plus they were @!$%#ty to begin with, while in the meantime America gets worse and worse due to the money drain overseas.
dronebee
I'm sure bush never did that. Oh wait, he did, over 500 from gitmo? lord knows how many from the local prison's over seas.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/18/steny-hoyer/hoyer-correct-500-guantanamo-detainees-were-releas/
Right on cue, fox news and all their low info disciples go craaaazy!!!
I must address the Dr Paul issue. When outside the decision making arena such as Ron Paul is, he cannot possibly making military decisions in a black and white fashion. You RP supporters see decisions as if they have no consequences. You are even more naive than Obama supporters which is hard to believe. In a perfect world one nation should be able to pull the plug on strategies that are failing, but is DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT. It isn't that in a big general sense some of what Ron Paul says doesn't have merit. Everybody, nobody their political views, are sometimes right.
We do as a nation need to decide what the scope of our military should be. We do need to address the scope of the federal reserve. Ron Paul would be in way over his head as his Obama now.
The US over the past couple decades has been fighting wars with one hand tied behind their backs. It is why our wars are failures. OBL wanted to knock out Obama, so that Biden would take over. The thinking was that Biden is such a lightweight it would further cause a US decline in power. OBL said he would bring us to our knees by bankrupting us. He has done so. It is time to admit that.
It is laughable to suggest that prisoners in Afghanistan will now after being held in prison for years will see being a terrorist as a mistake. I have land in Fla to sell you......Really how stupid are we expected to be.
To the soldiers I have been lecturing repeatedly--those who have called me a coward and suggested I should go live in Afghanistan and that I don't.deserve American "freedoms" etc:
Do you believe me now? Do you finally understand that you are nothing but an expendable pawn in a game played by fat-cats who's have nothing but ego on the line? Was it worth it to watch your buddy blown to bits now that you know we released the guy who did it in a back-room deal? Do you get it that war isn't just hell, it's also bullsh@t?
Can you now see that I speak out because I care about you a helluva lot more than those who cheer you on to your death for patriotic rhetoric?
I brought this up in another post and I see msnbc quickly grabbed it and reported to protect Obama. It has been reported in many other news reports long before msnbc broke the news. If any of you read other reports of ridiculous happenings out of this administration, report them on newsvine and you will quickly see msnbc's rebuttal. Most of the reports on msnbc and other leftwing reports are only telling us what fantastic leadership we have in our president.
Sooooooooooo, "Mission Accomplished", folks???????????
Pffffffffffffft.
Peace in Afghanistan? Sure. When pigs fly.
Another great example of BO's penchant for not telling 'the whole story'. His 'manufactured' unemployment numbers is another example!
My guess... and we are all guessing here... is that we're in a position of having to release these people anyway. If so, why not try to leverage their release for some notion of peace. Seriously, we aren't very good at "winning the hearts and souls" of those we invade. "We're letting you go out of the goodness of our hearts and because we now trust you not to fight anymore" wouldn't fly with any of us, now, would it?
"Secret U.S. program" is a misnomer. It's not a secret to the people who are being released. It's not a secret to those who are releasing them. It's not a secret to the families and friends of those who are being released. It's not a secret to the Taliban and to the Karzai government. Who does that leave? Oh yeah, American citizens .... the same folks who were told it was not a secret that "We do not negotiate with terrorists."
Well, they have to promise to give up violence. What could go wrong?
Interesting that BO chose to do this secretly and without Congressional approval. Is it because he knows that
Congress would never agree to make deals with an enemy of the United States?
Is it possible that he knows that aiding and abetting unlawful enemy combatants is against the LAW?
Is OBAMA secretly aiding the Taliban, even though they are an ENEMY of the United States engaged in a WAR with the United States, just so they will make it possible for him to exit Afghanistan, handing the Taliban a great victory in Afghanistan?
They can't evaluate the 'success' of the program unless they determine how many return to fight against our forces.
This is a 'carrot', but where is the 'stick'?
Good morning armchair warriors ..... WHy don't you guys just isssue press releases on what's happening over there since you all seem to know better than the people that are adctually over there risking their lives for you?
So let me get this straight-my Tax Dollars have been going to a 10 year War and now, the only tangible, significant product of this war, the " prisoners" taken in battle are now being given back to re-up and kill more of our troops?
That is tantamount to me giving a poor neighbor some financial assistance and I look out the window one day and see a mew Mercedes pull up, neighbor gets out wearing a fur and unloading a big screen.
WTF? Our Government is sooooooooo @!$%#ED UP!
For you lefties out there that just don't get it, I'll make it real simple.
Insanity = Letting POW's free while you are still engaged in combat.
there, chew on that for a bit.
Hear Hear - Calll to order it's the He man Obama haters club!!!!!!!! You don't need a brain or the ability to think - just an ill founded opinion and some froth at the mouth. Or are the people criticizing this move angry because they like the way things were already going? Nope. It's alll Obama hate alll the time. Keeep up the good work and Darla Hood will give you a kiss.
You must be kidding. Haven't you been watching obama trying to spend our way out of poverty? Why do you think are in such a recovery period? After all, his administration said we were out of his recession in 2009 less than 6 months after he took control.
THinker - Thank you for validating the Number Two rule of the internet. i.e. a posters name willl always be the exact opposite of what they post. e.g. SOmeone callled "THe Rational One" willl post Preisdent Obama is secretly training Nicaraguan Muslim Spider MOnkeys to sneak down people's chimneys and steal their guns on CHristmas Eve." THe first rule? Never use sarcasm on the internet. WHy? People are just too smart for it.
We, here, do not know the level of "crime" of those being released. Terrorists? Not likely. We have some in Gitmo that we have refused to release. Taliban? Maybe. Citizens suspected of being Taliban? More likely.
We've always had the debate about the extent of our beef with the Taliban. They harbored terrorists. We warred with them because of that. But now, if you decide you cannot "end" the Taliban, what choice to we have but to try to make peace with them?
You critics of policy you're guessing about need to tell us what choice you would make that's different than what was made.
Well now sold out the poor little guy in china is nothing. To appease on the anniversary of finally giving the go ahead to kill Bin Laden, he sneaks into Afghanistan to promise to always take care of them with our troops and money to help and gives them back thier bad guys. And the folks from the Narwhal room are still praising his so called Diplomacy. If anyone does not see the path to Lenin's conquering from within they are stone deaf dumb and blind. No offense to people who suffer the afflictions.
The evidence is piling up that it isn't out of recession we are being spent into, but in to oblivion so a Socialist take over will be easier.
Tell me, our president didn't know about this!?!?!
JustenO
We have learned the location of Bin Ladin was known for months before they could convince Obama to give the go ahead. He wanted a PICTURE to prove Bin Ladin was really there. Then when he did give the go ahead the leaked memo from Panetta's office shows he really did say that if it went wrong it was on the Admiral's head that planned it not his.
So, fast forward one year ahead when he goes to Afghanistan on the anniversary of killing Bin Ladin and makes a deal with Karzai AND lets loose all the insurgent prisoners, some of which had to be captured during a killing of our and Nato soldiers. What else could that be except an appology for killing Bin Ladin?
And the French who are overrun with Muslims just elected a Socialist. The whole world is loosing it's mind. If we don't take back our country and our freedom this election, it will be gone forever and America will never be great again.
When these released prisoners return to the Taliban obama will claim it is just part of his job creation process! wink, wink!
Great post Shaking my head 1.29! Obama promised to "fundamentally change America for ever" back in 2008... that's one campaign promise he's kept!
I see Obama is well into America's negotiations for surrender to the Taliban.
Well, the government is using 'catch and release' programs along the border, why not in Afghanistan too? Oh, some of the Afghani released are Taliban? No problemo. Obama and Biden have both stated that the Taliban is no longer the enemy. Nope, the Taliban is our New Bestest Friend, they have quit killing (except fot three more servicemen killed today and seven killed after Obama's secret campaign...er, binLaden...err, treaty signing visit was over) and soon all will be peaceful and wonderful in Afghanistan, especially now after Obama's 'secret' visit to 'sign a treaty' (aka: billions more dollars into a cesspool)visit.
This is completely absurd. You take a guy prisoner for trying to kill American troops and then you tell him now promise to be good from now on and we wil let you go. What idiot in the administration actually thought this was a good idea, oh that's right it was Obama. Not only shouldn't Obama be reelected, he should be impeached!!!
Expect a knee jerk from Republicans on this today. As if, we should pay for and keep prisoners of war forever!
Like we can afford that. We are turning the country back over to them. We need Afghanistan to take care of their own.
It's way past time to get out of Afghanistan and close the prisons. If they take up arms against the US again, then we should retaliate militarily by directly killing their troops - but we cannot afford the cost of trying to turn them into a 21st century democracy. Even if this is possible, it will take decades, hundreds of thousands of troops, and trillions of dollars.
Look at it from their perspective for a minute. They don't share or like our world view (just as we don't share or like theirs), and we are occupying their land. What would you do if China took over the US to impose their form of government - even if they did it because they truly thought it would help the US citizens? I know what I'd do...I'd fight the occupiers until they finally left my country.
JS-
Yeah Obama thought it was such a 'great idea' that he's are trying to keep it secret. And all of America can see how much it has kept the Taliban from engaging in terrorist attacks over the last few years, can't we? A typical liberal/progressive idea with a typical liberal/progressive outcome - FAILURE!!! What else needs to be said?
After were gone nothing would have mattered..Leave now.
I wonder if Obama made the terrorists do a double pinky swear that they would be good little terrorists and not kill anymore of our troops. The only way to deal with Afghanistan is to light them up or leave them alone. I say leave them alone and let them get back to killing each other, just like theyve done for the last thousand years.
There is no military solution to Afghanistan. We should have made peace with Taliban 10 years ago. But it is all about feeding the monster: US military industrial complex - to the tune of $1T per year. Money pissed away with nothing to show for, other than huge debt to be paid by present and future generations. Wake up America!
I have a friend who is stationed where Obama made his suprise visit... they said that he was there ONLY for primetime television in America, and promptly left the moment his speech ended. He did not stay for a memorial service for the soldiers they lost that week that was scheduled for 30 mins later... I'm sorry, where am I supposed to believe that Obama gives two sh*ts about our men and women over there?
Releasing known terrorists and "negociating" with a terrorist organization is completely stupid. They have no honor, and sure as hell have NONE of my trust... why would we ever think that they would "keep their word?"
steve
I don't know? Did bush do it when he released over 500 prisoners?
I thought America didn't negotiate with terrorists? Oh yeah, Obama is in office now. Watch, people will blame Bush for Obama's actions. DOH, someone already did! LOL Brilliant
Obama promised he would close Gitmo during the first year of his Presidency. That didn't happen. I guess he wanted to have hostages to negotiate with the terrorists with.
America didn't get anything from Russia after Obama killed the missile defense program per their demand. The almighty negotiator at work I guess.
Did we release prisoners before WW2 ended. I think only the Germans did that by leaving camps when they knew they had no chance. You know some of these people have no other way to feed them selves and will end up back in the Taliban fold.
Rule #1 - NEVER negotiate with terrorists.
Rule #2 - Refer to rule #1.
What a joke for a President we have. The entire world is laughing at us.
What! Eric... I suggest you actually read the story, before attacking Republicans for merely objecting to another one of obama's foreign policy blunders! I'm surprised you aren't blaming Bush for this too! lol
Secretly releasing of prisoners of war in the midst of said war is treasonous. Yet there are those who will vote to reelect this moron. Have they never heard of fool me once... .
flnobody--you Know, your "I don't know? Did bush do it when he released over 500 prisoners?"
REALLY is annoying. Obama ran on, and was ELECTED by promising NOT to be like BUSH. If I'd wanted another Bush, I could have voted for McCain.
Hope and CHANGED ring a bell to you? NO? Did you ever whine to your mom when she told you couldn't do something, "but Timmy did it?"
And was her answer "If Timmy jumped off the roof of the garage would that make it OK for you to do it too?"
It is NEVER acceptable to excuse any action by Obama by whining "Bush did it too!" We voted AGAINST Bush, remember?
Insurgents are not terrorists. You Right WIngers have no idea what words mean.
The Insurgents were those who fought for Afghanistan in the war, not the ones who who bombed the WTC etc.
When America supports an insurgent force we call them "Freedom Fighters" When America does not; ignorant people use the term Insurgent interchangeably with Terrorists.
By your definition the Soldiers that fought in the American Revolution (On the American Side) were terrorists. Those soldiers were an insurgent force.
Websters:
Insurgent (n)
: a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government
Insurgent (adj)
: rising in opposition to civil authority or established leadership
MOmaid but it is relevant to point to the hypocrites who supported Bush (and still do) who attack Obama for doing something almost the same.
President Obama praises the US Military in Public and then stabs the US Military in the Back.
With Obama's base, there's not much that would keep them from still voting for him, especially when push comes to shove. He could hand the U.S. over lock, stock and barrel to any enemy and no dem would think badly of him... speaks volumes.
flnobody, the 500 Gitmo prisoners were released to a prison in their own countries. They are still in prison.
Ignorant bloviating bloggers aside, would someone with knowledge of military history provide some insight on this policy. Has this been typical through military history? Are low level threats the only ones released? Are prisoners released in exchange for intelligence or valuable prisoners from the other side?
frankly, you silly boy - insurgents kill out troops. It's even on the liberal news channels.
Blame Bush? Haha pathetic excuse.
I thought the US doesnt negotiate with terrorists?Im sure obama apologized to them before he released them, too!
Policy = Fail. These people will never keep their word. Guaranteed.
Are they friggin serious? These insurgents, these terrorists, these islamic jhihadists are bred and born with nothing but pure hatred for the United States and we're supposed to believe that if they are released they are going to somehow, just miraculously turn away from the violence they were born to live? These people want us DEAD. Yeah, DEAD, every last one of us. As far as I know some of these poor, poor insurgents could be the very ones that nearly blew my son's arm off!! SCREW THAT!! As so many others have already said, NEVER negotiate with terrorists!!! You bet this boils my blood!
Of course these insurgents will not return to their previous nefarious ways. They promised, and our fearless leader believes them. Did they give them back their guns too?
5-10 years from Now, We will say, what were WE Thinking..someday, We may find a way, but for Now; WE Are Weak/ unsure Minded Vessels.........
Not only did they make them promise to be good but they also gave them a new suit, a pair of shoes and a bus ticket back to the training camps. But then, Obama used lots of taxpayer dollars to help Libyan 'rebels' aka: insurgents killing US servicemen in Iraq, to kill Quadaffi and fly the Al Quaeda flag in Libya.
Dronedummie,
Insurgents came together because we occupied and attacked their country. You would do the same thing if a foreign country invaded the USA.
After the election he can be more flexible?
some day they might let us go. after we are bled dry.
? what does Obama hope to accomplish by restocking the shelves?
If they promise not to fight then why are we still their?
Stupid is as stupid does, wtf. Obama made the Taliban legitimate by recognizing them, now they are a accepted entity, now we have to bargain with them, they found their way to Americas pocket! we have been sucked into their game and they make the rules, we should just walk away and let them play all by themselves. that country is just using us and loving every dollar of it while our nation is falling apart. Obama spends way to much time visiting their opium fields. what I want to know is when do we surrender to the Taliban? he gave them status, he gives them a say, he recognizes them as a political entity, what happened here? I thought they were terrorist and we don't negotiate with terrorist. Obama can't be calling the shots on this matter he must be getting allot of collective help, I know because one man can not possibly poses that much stupidity. it takes allot of domb to come up with this $hit. first you win the peace then you figure out who to release.
This makes me sick to my stomach. These "insurgents" may have killed innocent women/children as well as our troops or consultants in violent attacks and we just let them walk with a promise to "be good" from now on? Are you f'g kidding me?
Obama has brought us down to the level of mor0ns and cowards with this insanity. And, yes...this is Obama's crow to eat. He is the President and it is HIS policy being implemented. I can't believe that some people posting are still trying to blame Bush...Obama has been President going on 4 years now, you assssholes. NOTHING is Bush's fault anymore when it comes to Afghanistan, GITMO or any other foreign policy issue. Obama is the president and the buck stops with him, good or bad. Since the day he was sworn in, EVERY decision and its implications are his responsibility as President.
Get this guy out of office, NOW! He's not competent and his mixed messaging to our enemies undermines out security. His domestic policies are a joke and he's got no agenda beyond pilfering the Treasury for his cronies and campaign donors....well, except his social restructing agenda so we all become socialists. What the hell did we fight the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for decades for so we could become the United Socialist States of America???
Are liberals just that stup!d that they just don't understand that socialism does NOT work? It always collapses...there ALWAYS will end up more people taking out than putting into the system. It's pointless...unless your object is to pilfer enough wealth for yourself before the system collapses. Then you're not really a socialists...you're just another criminal.
Upon release, do they get their AK back and money for traveling expenses???
@FatCatGets$700Bil
Yeah, just like the Muslim Brotherhood was "obviously not that dangerous" otherwise Obama would not have been calling for Mubarak to step down and hand Egypt (and billions worth of US made weapons) over to them. Sort of like Qaddafi was "obviously not that dangerous" otherwise Obama never would have stood there shaking his hand. And just like Assad was "obviously not that dangerous" otherwise this administration wouldn't have continued to refer to him as a "reformer" even after the killing of his own citizens had begun.
I wonder if these guys got an apology as they walked out the door? I suspect so, it's one of the few things our President seems to be really good at.
@Nervous Wreck
Don't be ridiculous, we're not going to supply anyone with a foreign made weapon. They each got a brand spanking new M-4 and a ride on a UH-60 right up to the Pakistani border. We'd have taken them all the way back to their camps but didn't want to upset the Pakistanis by crossing into their airspace. Much simpler to just pay the Pakistanis to shuttle them the rest of the way.
We'd suggest that the president honor his oath to Preserve, Protect and Defend.
Although I have never been in the military, I can safely say that if I had been trained to eliminate an enemy and were suddenly held captive by them, , , Hell, I'd promise anything they wanted to hear to get out from behind bars - so that I could get back to the business at hand.
"as part of negotiations with insurgent groups"
B.O. must be counting on the "terrorist/insurgent" vote this fall.
Whatever happened to the new "more transparent government" Obama preached about? Seems to be surprisingly absent from his administration and his re-election campaigning.
Bottom line, we are breaking our own protocol negotiating with the enemy- doing it covertly is even worse
Hello folks, while the elite (1%ers) have us playing the Democrat Republican blame game, they have us in fear, divided, and distracted while they have their way with us stealing our jobs, money, civil liberties and security .
While we play the Republican Democrat blame game the “greatest military in the history of the world” is bringing in another countries military to assist with local terrorists? The Russian military will be training with our troops in Colorado Springs starting on May 24th, how many of you knew that (look it up)? Remember the movie Red Dawn? This has National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) written all over it. While we play the Republican Democrat blame game, foreign troops will be on our soil carrying weapons involved in military exercises with designed war games to practice quelling, arresting , detaining and killing “American terrorists” or whatever definition the government ascribes a terrorist as.
“Joint U.S.-Russian anti-terror exercise stokes fears of martial law”
“Russian airborne troops are set to train how to target terrorists in America as part of a joint anti-terror drill with the United States which will take place in Fort Carson, Colorado at the end of next month”.
“Airborne troops from Russia and the United States would hold joint anti-terror drills in the U.S. state of Colorado between May 24 and 31,” reports the Xinhua news agency, citing Russian Defense Ministry Col. Alexander Kucherenko. The story was also reported by Russian news outlet RIA Novosti.
“The Russian soldiers will also be given access to U.S. special service weapons at Fort Carson”.
“This announcement comes at a time when Russia actually has troops working in cooperation with China,” points out Business Insider’s Eloise Lee, making reference to one of the largest ever Russian-Sino naval drills currently underway in the Yellow Sea.
“More modern fears revolve around global UN peacekeeping troops being used to quell unrest inside America, foreign troops would be used to carry out gun confiscations and incarcerate American citizens during a time of martial law an issue touched upon by Henry Kissinger during the 1991 Bilderberg meeting when he stated, “Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful.”
While we play the Democrat Republican blame game we have disintegrated to the point of allowing a cold war enemy to come on to our soil to work with our military in quelling civil unrest. The NDAA Act can detain United States citizens as enemy combatants. We have sacrificed our liberty for perceived safety and security while we play the Republican Democrat blame game.
We have to believe the Taliban will work with us in good faith. The Taliban, you know, those religious fanatics that follow a book that says it's perfectly OK to lie to infidels.
Whistleberries--Not to be a nit-picker, but it seems more like dragging them from the original establishment of their worldview/mindset, which was established in the 7th century--and 7 more centuries is a big, long effin drag.
OBL and his plan didn't bankrupt us...our domestic financial policies bankrupted us. Our economy collapsed because of high-risk mortgages, real estate speculation, stock market corruption, banking incompetence/greed/corruption and the corruption of our government though the corruption of our elected officials by bribes in the forms of campaign contributions, etc. We were morally bankrupt long before the money part caught up to us...OBL had nothing to do with that. Clinton created the sub-prime mortgage industry as well as the phenomena of off-shoring our jobs with NAFTA as well as revoking the parts of the law that prohibited banks from gambling with depositors money in investment markets. Our economy collapsed because Clinton's policies came to fruition. Oh, did I mention that Clinton even let OBL go so he could later plan and execute 9/11?
Clinton did more to ruin us that OBL ever could.
I believe that peace is a good thing however you cannot trust a Terrorist.
I am very sad to find out that we have people in our midst undermining our Troops efforts and placing them in harms way all the while releasing the very ones they have caught.
When are we going to stand up for the right thing in this world?
I disagree on BO.
It was the idiotic actions of George Bush, Sr and Jr, which have brought economic disasters, losses of faces, making Muslims of all brands as enemies of the US (or Muslims of all brands consider the US and west as enemies) and West and losses of soldiers.
Due to Iraqi wars (1991 and 2003), the US and allies options are being limited and slowly being are tied from all sides.
On the appeasment part, I agree with you. It is dumbest to appease the Islamic religious Nazi nut cases.
Also unless Paki militant areas are bombed to ground, there will not be worthwhile results in Afghanistan.
Either act or get out once for all.
This goes back to at least Reagan, and EVERY President since has only made matters worse.
Can you people REALLY not understand that it has nothing to do with party politics? Every politician, from the President down, is an egomaniac in it for power, money, and prestige. Blue, Red, or PURPLE.
You can argue until you drop about which President is/was the biggest piece of dung. And you will ALL be right!
Mr. Collins - maybe they realized they scoooped up a few of the wrong people and this is a way to make up for a mistake? THey know bettter than I since I'm sittting at a computer in the U.S.
First off, these are prisoners of war, NOT terrorists.
People are looking at this as if we are letting Osama Bin Laden free or something.
Afghanistan needs to take care of their own. We are on our way out of there.
How long are we supposed to imprison and pay for these guys. Like we can afford that?
Jonathan,
I agree that GWB caused problems with the Muslim world by invading Iraq, but I don't agree the initial Afghan invasion or the 1991 war caused general problems with Muslims.
The 1991 war was supported by most countries worldwide since it was for legitimate reasons (Iraq was attempting to conquer and occupy another country). We had support in the Muslim world for this military action - especially since we did not invade Iraq after we had defeated them militarily. Sure, the extremists that thought all non-Muslims should be forced to convert or die were ticked off, but that's always going to be the case.
The Afghan invasion was also supported by most countries worldwide. We didn't have as much support in the Muslim world, but even most Muslim countries supported the initial invasion. The support broke down when we changed from retaliation to occupation.
Depends on your definition, Eric. If they were caught fighting our troops, then yes, they're POWs. If they set a bomb in the marketplace and blew up their own countrymen, then they're terrorists.
But as to your other point, yes, it's time to leave. Afghanistan is too backward to help.
This started long before Reagan was president. In modern times it goes back to the end of WWII when the Western European nations (under the UN - with England leading the negotiations) took land from the Arabs to create the modern nation of Israel. However, the full history goes back well over a thousand years.
The people who cling to the past and blame Bush for all of Obama's screw-ups have their head in the sand. Obama IS the president and EVERYTHING that happens since he was sworn in is his responsibility. What ever he inherited is in the past. All presidents get good and bad from the previous president. Most don't spend their entire term whinning about it. This worthless man cannot accept responsibility for anything that goes poorly but is out there applauding himself, Bin Laudin, if things go good. The way he talks you would think he was on Seal Team 6. It's disgusting.
Some of the top "Rebel" leaders in Libya were terrorist our troops plucked off the battlefields in Afghanistan, held at Gitmo, then released. So not only did we release them, we gave them money & weapons to rebuild & get stronger with. Makes no sense at all.
Had the mission been a screw-up and our brave troops been captured or killed, I know obama had a plan in place to deflect any blame. And the liberal media would have fallen in line to protect him. Slick willie's support of how obama struck his neck out to make this happen while suggesting Mitt Romney didn't have the huevos to approve of such a mission is laughable. Clinton had 3 chances to kill or capture Bin Laden and failed to make the "tough call." What a bunch of hypocrites-
If I was in jail I'd promise anything to get out.... this is human nature. But if I'm in jail for killing the same people who put me there and they let me out... then they are fools!
Obama has not kept any of his campaign promises, why would he think these prisoners will keep their promise?
Ron--your 2.8--Western European nations and the United States did NOT take land from the Arabs to create Israel. We fought that in EVERY way we could short of being compared to Hitler. We blockaded Israel to ships loaded with war refugees, as well as ones carrying old, dated weapons, because we (and primarily England) handed the keys to the ARSENAL in the area to the ARABS when the war ended.
My father was with Patton's troops toward the end of the war, and liberated a smallish work camp, and after further detaining the Jews who survived THAT long enough to fatten them up to just anorexic looking, put them (AT GUNPOINT) back on trains and shipped them back to the then Soviet controlled satellite counties that Hitler had taken them from. My father was a Lieutenant, and said the Jews would get down on their knees and BEG him to just shoot them rather than do that. All they wanted was to be released to WALK to Israel (or die free in the journey.) Instead, we sent them back for STALIN to finish Hitler's job.
In four years in the military, my father said it was the ONLY thing he ever did that he was ASHAMED of--putting those poor Jews forcibly on the train back to Hell.
Hell just bring em over hear and put them on welfare...they promised not to be dangerous.
Look at all the money we could save on housing prisoners here in the U.S. When someone goes to court just have them promise not to do it again and turn them loose. Close all the prisons and use the money saved to feed and house the homeless. Or, just send me the money and I promise I won't rape, rob, plunder, or in any other way break the laws that govern mankind.
Insurgents captured on a battlefield are not "prisoners of war". Not even close. If you don't know that, I'd suggest you actually read the Geneva Conventions. They are classified as "enemy combatants". A person has to meet specific criteria to be correctly be considered a "prisoner of war".
When did congress declare war?
@Eric-913730
Gee I don't know, how about long enough to actually get our service men and women out of the line of fire. I could care less what we do with these a-holes after that. Until that actually happens I think it would be prudent to not bolster the enemies ranks.
Funny how MSNBC didn't publish this until after all the "Bin Laden Execution Anniversery" hype was over... I suppose celebrating killing one man while acknowledging allowing other terrorists already in custody to simply walk away would have lessened the propaganda effects on the sheep.
Excuse me Mr. Terrorist. Will you swear to abstain from violence if we let you go?
Terrorist: Oh yes, yes. I will no longer kill American troops. I will pray 11 times a day and eat only fish.
Agent: Okay, that is good enough for me.
Troops: We are under attack.
Agent: By who?
Troops: The terrorist you just let go.
Agent: But he swore he was going to stop killing.
Common Sense dictates that we do not trust our enemies.
If politicians, especially Republicans, their advisors and military planners had common sense, we would not be in the current mess.
Who in the right sense would open battle fronts in both Afghanistan and Iraq, the toughest battle zones in the world, at the same time?
Who with a little sense would have Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, both backstabbing experts, as allies on war on terror?
9/11 was due to Saudis and Pakis and some funding from UAE.
While withdrawing from Iraq, huge forces had to be deployed. No one bothers about the mess in Iraq. Many have become blind on Iraq.
In these, George Bush, Jr, his advisors and military planners and Gens will get top grade in the history.
Dude...You should write plays.
When did obama change parties? When he took control of the head office he became responsible for the whole situation. He knew what he was getting into so this should not be a surprise. Just like a CEO taking over a failing company, he thought he was the one to put it back on track. And to demonstrate his willingness to accept responsibility for the situation he increased the number of troops in the GWOT.
Unlike a CEO, he has tried blaming all of his failings on the previous leader. Now that he has been the leader for over three years and the situation is worse he garners little compassion is his shortcomings.
As usual, Republicans will blame Obama and not give a solution. What's your solution Republicans?
Should we pay to imprison these guys for how long and at what expense?
Obviously they do their due diligence in determining who is really dangerous and who is not.
Not every prisoner of war from Afghanistan is a hardened Al Qaeda terrorist.
I blame both parties. My solution is to get out of Afghanistan as fast as we can safely withdraw our troops and equipment. At most, I'd give them a 1 year notice...but I would have given that notice 6 or 7 years ago.
I also give Obama a lot of blame for the current situation. He could have gotten us out by now, but instead he decided to increase our presence with the surge.
I thought (and still think), there is some hope for Iraq becoming a stabilizing country in the region since they have a fairly educated population that has been living under a somewhat secular government for decades. Afghanistan is a completely different story. Only a small percentage of the people can read and write, and they have been living under decades of religious fundamentalists. (but, even if it works in the end, I still disagreed with going into Iraq - it's not our job to tell others how to live their lives)
@Eric and any others who think the same...
If we are releasing them, so they can just turn around and fight back again, then what is the point of even being over there????? In another ten years it will be no different, except maybe worse than it is now.
Eric, until the last american is out of there! losing 1 american life to 1 of these guys in unacceptable. It not like we are giving them a purposful life. We have released men with no hope except the Taliban. What do you expect them to do, go somewhere and eat dirt?
jollyoldsoul1,
Good points...let's get out as quickly/safely as we can, then let the Afghan government decide what to do with these prisoners.
@Eric-913730
Yeah, these guys were most likely just picked up for jay-walking or littering. <end sarcasm>
"as part of negotiations with insurgent groups"
The downward spiral of America continues.
Obama shutters our space program, sues U.S. citizens to keep our borders open to illegal crossings, and to top it off releases enemy combatants if they promise to be nice. We have been transformed from superpower to neighborhood con-man.
@Eric-913730
Romney. Try to keep up.
And? You can't even come up with his plan can you? No, you just end your sentence with sarcasm. What is Romney's plan?
@AlaskaGirl-759554
I could care less what his plan is, I'm not going to vote for him. You're the one who seems to care, why don't you check for yourself. For cryin' out loud he is running for President, if you actually care what his plans are I'm sure there is no scarcity of quotes and interviews for you to choose from.
Seriously what the heck are you expecting? Someone to lay out the entire republican plan for dealing with terrorism and terrorists? Somehow I doubt you'd take the time to read through a 3 page post so why are you even asking? How about instead we talk about what THIS administration is doing since that is the subject at hand. Sooner or later you libs are just going to have to face the reality that this administration is going to have to answer questions about what it has done without always deflecting and trying to turn the attention to someone else.
Obama did he really SAY he's not MUSLIM?
hmmm actions speak louder than words..... FIRST Gitmo, now this....hmmm and
ORDERS to KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN ON SIGHT were really STUPID
UNLESS the person giving the KILL on SIGHT ORDER....
wanted all the incredibly valuable information that could have been EXTRACTED FROM OBAMA I mean OSAMA and the names of Osama's fellow MUSLIMs who are already at work in the U.S. government to die with him...
REALLY wasn't such an order REALLY STUPID? not to be confused with LAWFUL POLICE ORDERS given by CAMBRIDGE POLICE against OBAMMER's racist professor friend SKIP closet Gates.
OSAMA had become OBSOLETE and a LIABILITY and didn't mind dying for THEIR CAUSE the ISLAMIZATION OF AMERICA and the FINANCIAL destruction of non-muslim citizens, businesses and government...
As an ADDED bonus the person ADVERTISED as the killer of OSAMA would gain much power and credibility for martyring him in Muslim eyes and infidels eyes, ahhh very clever....
Delusional
Rut ro!
So much for "secretly".
Secret--yeah right.
I promise to be a good boy--yeah right.
We don't bargain with terrorists--yeah right.
English is the only language where two positives can make a negative.
And we are still suppose to believe our leadership? ..(laugh)
How many times have we heard ... "We'll never trade a terrorist !" ...
Our leaders speak with forked tongue!
To my knowledge- NATO/ISAF have been in Afghanistan since the start to oust Al Queda. Now Obama adm. is unilaterally releasing terrorists from Parwan detention center under its (not ISAF's) Strategic Release Program with a promise that the muhajeedins will forgo armed struggle. No wonder there are so many attacks on NATO forces/ISAF forces thanks to unilateral Obama program. This 'secret' program on top of $80 mill. State consulate speaks volumes of sheer incompetence and outright betrayal of US partners on the ground shedding their blood for Obama adm to endanger coalition partners without consultation/input/warning. The reality of all these misteps keep accumulating and didn't Obama tell everyone- the War on Terror is over- AQ has been defeated. At last some reporters are astarting to report the facts on the ground.
I've been saying it since we let him into office, Barack Hussein is gonna get us all killed if he stays in power long enough to accomplish it.
Vern:
There doesn't seem to be any meat to your statement. Please explain.
@car56
He doesn't have to explain his meat. Obama's actions are "meat" enough...
car
It doesn't matter to people like vern or carl that bush had over twice the number of americans killed then died during 9-11 attacks. It didn't matter that bush released over 500 prisoners from getmo. and who knows how many from the local prisons over seas. They just knew obama was going to do it from day one.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/18/steny-hoyer/hoyer-correct-500-guantanamo-detainees-were-releas/
Whatever. Bush is not president. Blame Bush and excuse Obama. Over and over and over...when will Obama take responsibility for HIS actions. What Bush did is now what Obama is doing and somehow that makes for a great excuse and coverup for Obama. Right. Obama, no matter what he does, is a victim of Bush. Obama is powerless and hopeless and helpless, all because of the irreversible Bush policies. Poor Obama, never, ever, ever is he going to be anything but a weak and helpless little man and it's all Bush's fault. Pfft.
@mygirl - 100% agreed! I am sooo sick of the Bush this, Bush that rhetoric! THIS IS RIGHT HERE! RIGHT NOW! We are in the present tense people! How stupid can some people be? WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW, RIGHT NOW, is what matters. It's the only thing that matters. DUH
mygirl
That's the only smart thing I have heard you say.
I didn't hear the right wing nuts like you. Raising hell when the idiot did it. Why are you crying now? I didn't hear your out cry when bush paid the terrorists to stop shooting at us either. Why not?
danna
Don't worry; everyone has been trying to forget those eight years. But he was one of those guy's that just keeps on giving.
flnobody
You're slanting the story without providing substance.
The release that took place while Bush was president was primarily for the "round up" prisoners. When we first went to war we were grabbing everyone that we suspected could have anything to do with 911 or terrorist activities. When we finally got to where we could investigate it was found that many of them (your 500) were about as close to "the cause" as I am to you. They were suspected but found to be useless.
The prisoners that are being released now are high level. That's why they've been held for so long. They are being released in hopes that their high level status will allow them to negotiate to their people, a more peaceful standing against us. Now that's the story, that's the current administrations reasoning. I know a much easier way to assure they won't attack us again but I can't make that call.
Bill Clinton gave nuclear technology to N. Korea for a promise that they would only use it for energy production and peaceful purposes. That has worked out pretty well don't you think?
Lastly, mygirl1 nailed it. This is now, this is baracks administration. How do you justify piss poor administration action and philosophy by pointing at a previous administration? It's the primary cause in a giant flaw in our reasoning. "Oh yeah, well they did this or they did that". Guess what? It still doesn't mean that it's a smart thing to do. Quit pointing at Bush it's been nearly four years, stop using it as the crutch it makes you sound petty, frail, and very, weak. Like barack.
The day we can sit down and laugh about all of this over tea with the Taliban is NEVER going to happen. They are the enemy...bottom line.
*Anyone but barack 2012*
rightwing
Wow, I didn't read that. Could you point out where it said that for me?
Or was that a comment without:
If you inherit a boat, it belongs to you. If you take people on the boat, and it sinks, you are liable. Not the previous owner. Obama knew what he was getting into when he started his campaign. The entire country was aware of our situation. Obama wanted this job. Obama fought for this job. Whatever he inherited from the last administration belongs to him. Whatever repercussions from decisions that he has made are now on him. He needs to pull up his big girl panties and man up.
It is a liberal trait to make excuses and avoid responsibility. Passing the buck is a way of avoiding culpability and making excuses is classic enabling. The abused wife who makes excuses for her abusive spouse comes to mind, as does the parents who make excuses for really bad behaviour on the part of their children. The excuses perpetuate victimhood, no responsibility for actions because...somebody else did it.
Blame Bush is all the liberals have to support their leader. Without the 'blame Bush' excuses available where does Obama rate? Pretty weak. If Bush started something and Obama, rather than stopping or altering the course, persists in perpetuating what Bush started, doesn't that make him another Bush?
1pov and mygirl
Where did I say it's bush's fault? Please show me where. I was just pointing out how big hypocrites you right wing nuts are. So pull your heads out of your a@s's. No matter how hard you want to forget those eight years. They still happened.
Careful little flonobody, you seem to be suffering from a selective memory. All one has to do is scroll up to post #8.3 to see a banner example of the Blame Bush poster. Your post, BTW. Typed on your little keyboard. Now, quit trying to be the innocent ingenue, leave that to Obama. It is your job to BLAME BUSH, and you're doing a dandy job of it.
mygirl
I read it again. Didn't say I blamed him for anything. Just some facts that you cannot dispute.
Keep up the good work...
Derka derka derka...
He is an obamabot he doesn't hear well and aparently doesn't see what is going on all around him all that well either!
Mr President your party seems to care little about the anarchy you releasing on AMERICA and its LEGAL citizens by YOUR people,
25 million+ Illegal job stealing Mexican's
and professionally trained AMERICAN ASSASSINS
YOU SAY " its the RIGHT thing to do" hmmm
the "RIGHT THING" for you to do is to DO YOUR JOB and KEEP YOUR OATH OF OFFICE
BY PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS, WORKERS and TAXPAYERS
QUIT trying to destroy AMERICA with your CHANGE!!!
YOUR PEOPLE ARE whats BROKE so FIX THEM and quit interferring with GOOD POLICE (Cambridge Police) who are trying to keep LAW and ORDER against a violent and racist people ( your people)
the POLICE are not the CORE problem YOUR PEOPLE ARE!
STOPPING POLICE from doing their work as with YOUR friend Skip gates only increases ANARCHY
IS THAT REALLY WHAT YOU WANT????
IF SO WHY????
ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOUR FATHER WAS DEPORTED AS A BIGAMIST STOP BLAMING EVERYONE else and FIX the core problem YOUR PEOPLE throwing trillions of taxpayer dollars at them hasn't FIXED the problem
BECAUSE GREED and UNGRATEFULNESS are NEVER SATISFIED
TRY THANKING the 500,000+ whites that died to end a system of slavery that had been in existence since almost the beginning of time INSTEAD of BLAMING US for YOUR violence perversion and rapes....
...and in other news, a dog exploded on a very busy street corner...several people overcome by flying fur...
car56 I hope that obama didn't hear about that.You Know how he loves Dog!
@allprezsmen - your post is full of nothing but racist assumptions and assertions with no facts . . . but what's new. However, you did just prove a point . . . that any idiot can get on a computer and make themselve look like a fool and call it a "first amendment" right. Thanks.
This man allprez exists out there somewhere in our society - shameful, disgusting and beyond ignorant.
Allprez my goodness, you must be off your meds.
Go home and take those anti-psychotics please.
FYI Obama has deported many more 'illegals' than Bush ever did.
franklytrue--ONLY because the bushies were JAILING more for being repeat offenders.
What kind of fantasy world do these people live in that they actually believe they can turn these terrorists loose and they aren't going to come back and attack or in some way do harm to our troops that are still there? If they had their way they would even let the ones in Guantanamo Bay go free as well. Our leaders aren't fit to lead, they don't seem to have any common sense and they are full of excuses, then when things go wrong, they are like little kids, they find someone else to blame. No wonder they have so little respect around the world or even in their own country. If you can vote them out, do so. They all need to be fired on the spot!
...this just in: 2 scientists in Norway discovered how to make mice fart...
Yesterday an Afghan soldier killed a US Marine-wounded another before being killed in tthe buddy-buddy system in Tarekh Naver in the Marjah district in Helmund Province. Total deaths by Afgfhan soldiers on their Us/NATO counterparts 12 this year. Ayman al-Zawahiri's video released in al Sahab (AQ) site of Warren Weinstein (abducted in Lahore,Pak Aug.2011)pleading for his life directly to Obama. ((yle.fi/morgenpost.de)
And Obama gave them a 500 million dollar grant to ascertain this information.
If you want to let these terrorists go, fine, give them a pair of water wings and point them toward Mecca.
royalCrown - "What kind of fantasy world do these people live in"
It's called liberalism.
You people are so funny. Some of these comments are just laughable. For those of you who think that this just started happening on President Obama's watch are truly delusional. This has been going on for several years now. And how in the hell do many of you get off thinking that you know the who and what of the circumstances that go into the decisions made on releasing certain ones. It is so easy to play arm chair president, military leader, etc. without all the facts. Get a clue.
no fool like an American fool. Way to go Odumbo
Sorry to bust up you guys' party this time of the morning but the article says nothing about a terrorist,
they’re “insurgents”, the same as you or I would become if a force overran our
military and attacked us, think about it!
big deal
Roger, the article states:
Officials would not say whether those who have been released have later returned to attack U.S. and Afghan troops, the Post said.
Doesn't sound like innocents to me.
If they are insurgents like you want to believe why would they have to pledge peace instead of pledging to join us and fight? I wonder if their promises are as good as Obamas'? If so we are in some deep sheite!
@Roger-2837402, if you keep making sense and being logical I'm going to ban you from this post! Stop it right now before some of these idiots learn something. How dare you!
Oh, well, then it's all OK....
flbiker
That is a totally ignorant statement.
Go buy a dictionary, educate yourself...then you can talk with the adults. Otherwise stay in your right wing extremist cell chanting 4 legs good, two legs bad.
Not a right wing or an extremist, frankie. But call them what you will, they'll still be shooting at our troops. It's way past time for us to pull out of Afghanistan. BTW, in that dictionary of yours, try looking up "sarcasm." You might learn something.
flbikerchick--I tried to vote 2x for your comment, but it wouldn't let me. If it weren't for sarcasm, I for one would not have much to add to the conversation some days.
we could speed up the process, of our destruction, if we would hand out arms to the prisoners as they are released, or, we could start a program to ship modern high explosives to the destination of their choice. Maybe even setup a training program at our taxpayer expense. What do you think Mr President?
Like the Reagan administration did with Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Central and South America, and countless other locations around the world? I'm going out on a limb and guessing you are not part of any "think tanks" are you?
Steve-3200687, Please do not give Eric Holder any ideas.
This is the start of Obama's DREAM act for insurgents, next they will get "free" healthcare, in-state college tuition, and all crimes will be forgiven in exchange for their vote in the election of the "leader" of the country they hate.
If it's a nightmare for American citizens it's a dream for Obama.
Some of you really watch too much Fox. Who needs the Monday morning funnies when all one has to do is read some of the idiotic comments on here.
Oh, but gee, Wally........they promised to give up violence. What is this? Leave it to Beaver reruns?
I really try to refrain from name-calling, but it's getting harder, Obama! Let's just let them all go and then apologize for any inconvenience we may have caused them, too. Maybe we can give them some of our taxpayer dollars to help them out while we're at it.
We have given them MILLIONS.....but that all is hidden in a secret account for when the U.S. leaves Karai has a slush fund to live off when he flees Afghanistan.Just like the U.N. we give MILLIONS to these countries and house the U.N.
WHY?
Yep, we give them millions and then apologize.
That was the Bush Admin plan and is still in effect. The military and government was and still is paying the family of many detainees $300 to $500 for being detained. Even though you have not been to Iraq or Afghanistan, I guess you aren't as dumb as you sound.
American
So it's all Bush's fault, (which everyone knows everything is bush's fault) and Bush was an idiot. His plans were so detrimental to the US and gave cause for every liberal to hate him with every bone in their body. He was such a bad guy the the liberals think that baracks obstacles are still his fault. Nothing he did was good and barack has been trying so desperately to undo everything Bush did. Does this all sound right? Do I have the mantra down pretty well?
So let me ask this question; Why didn't barack put a stop to this? Seems like a pretty easy thing to do. barrack is the president and although I vomit a little when I say that, it is what it is. It's on his shoulders.
American,
I guess they are as dumb as they sound! My grandmother use to say,
"You can't argue with a fool" we did not have the Internet then but I
sure know what she meant now!
Here comes the Spin team.....
Anyone surprised by this needs to pull your head out of the sand.This Administration has been in talks with Taliban and elements of Al Queda in Afghanistan for some time.You all just didn't want to believe back room deals were being done by this Administration but look at how they passed 2nd Stimulus and Obama care,funny they can't pass a budget in 3 yrs but can cut back room deals with the very people who helped with 9-11 and protected Bin Laden til Pakistan took over his care.Its all spin and this network along with all the other "media" numbskulls will spin this as a good thing you watch....
Ok all done i look forward to the Spin team and their witty comments.
Judging by your user name, no comments required. However, even the Bush admin made secret deals with the Taliban, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Yemen, Syria, North Korea, and the list goes on and on. They eventually realized we could not financally sustain two wars for an indefinite period of time and needed to look for assistance in finding an exit strategy. All administrations make some concessions . . . anyone with half a brain would know that. Then again, why should anyone expect much for someone with a user name like "duh."
Wasn't the point of the war to end the Taliban rule because they harbored Al Qaeda? That happened over 10 years ago. So we are there to what.... create democracy in a country that is split into tribal factions and warlords and local chiefs and has pretty much been that way for a thousand years? How is that going? How much control over the country side is there outside the capital, Kabul unless there are soldiers present, and even then its risky... 98 percent of opium comes from Afghanistan and there is a huge drug trade... and it still goes on. Killing civilians creates more recruits for Al Qaeda and the Taliban.... and it still goes on. And now we are releasing captured Taliban because they promise to be good? LOL The Afghan army is pretty much a joke. Corruption is rampant, including the President there. Could it be the huge quantities of Lithium found there recently? Or rare earth minerals? Or just keeping the American War Machine going.... you know, the one that enriches all the defense contractors, the private armies of mercenaries we employ there, the arms merchants, or the drug trade....... come on....... its been over 10 years against a rag tag group of guerillas numbering in the hundreds or possibly low thousands. If the Afghans wanted bad enough to be free of them, you might think they could do it themselves. And now we signed an agreement that will keep us there for more than a decade to come? Huh. No ulterior motives? Yeah, right.
If you can't trust a terrorist than who can you trust? I'm sure after 10 years in prison they've had time to cool down, right? And do we give them their guns back or not?
Only if they promise to play nice.
What idiocy.
It is so simple and easy to achieve peace in Afghanistan. Simply allow everyone in Afghanistan to have equal rights under the law. After that, you have perfect peace, and prosperity can come to Afghanistan at last. So easy, and yet so hard! - RC
Seems to have worked wonders for America . . . not! We are little more than in internal rogue state. Everyone running around armed, stand your ground laws just opening the door for shoot outs, and that stupid law the Republican's passed in Indiana that even allows for armed resistance against the police . . . now that's crazy. You know people are going to abuse that; it's just a matter of time. Like I said, America is becoming little more than an internal rogue state.
American, please reread the Indiana Law for carrying a handgun. There is nothing in the law that allows for armed resistance against a police officer. The new law allows for a person to carry a firearm on their property without a permit and their auto is considered an extension of their property.
May I ask what you are smoking or drinking this morning?
American if you are so afraid of the citizens why don't you move? Your comments do not match your user name.
If they are insurgents like you want to believe why would they have to pledge peace instead of pledging to join us and fight? I wonder if their promises are as good as Obamas'? If so we are in some deep sheite!
Someone wants to keep the war going.
On paper quoted an official as saying "The precedure is OUTSIDE OUR NORMAL PROTOCOL"
Yeh but it is "THE TOP MILITARY COMMANDER"-IN-CHIEF's STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE
to put AMERICA's MILITARY MEN and WOMEN in HARM's WAY with PEOPLE WHO HAVE SWORN TO KILL AMERICANS AT ANY COST and to ENDANGER AMERICAN CITIZENS
WTF??? WTF??? WTF???
HAS ANYBODY HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CLOWN, ALL THESE POLICIES ARE REALLY STUPID unless there's a METHOD to his MADNESS, perhaps OSAMA had become OBSOLETE and DISPENSIBLE as HIS predecessor
BESIDES why the KILL OSAMA ON SIGHT order when he would have been MUCH more valuable alive?
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY EASY TO CAPTURE HIM AND TAKE HIM ALIVE to extract PRICELESS info from him. EVERYBODY was well aware that he kept the most vital information in his head and didn't trust computers, SO WHY KILL HIM ON SIGHT unless your goal was to protect the information he knew and PREVENT it from falling into AMERICAN HANDS?????????
WTF??? WTF??? WTF??? WTF???
all these POLICIES seem DESIGNED to DESTROY AMERICA not "PROTECT" it, the POLICIES and GOALS of OSAMA to destroy the financial stability of AMERICA is continuing even after his death, WHY? BY WHOM? FOR WHAT REASON????
like our government that has put its citizens in harm's way as millions are raped, robbed and have VIOLENCE committed against them by AMERICA's FAVORITE MASCOTS OF FREEDOM, even after they are given single-family homes in suburbia the violence hasn't slowed its only infected and spread to every small town of AMERICA
WE all know,,, its not AMERICA'S little secret anymore the world knows so lets get to the CORE of the problem the PROBLEM is not whitey and its not the BUILDINGS of the PROJECTS and its not POVERTY the PROBLEM is the PROTECTED class of People and the JUNGLE they are making out of AMERICA'S streets and even small towns......SO WHY MAKE IT A LAW TO JUST SPEAK THE TRUTH instead of dealing with the real problem??? YOU want to make criminals out of people who SPEAK-OUT and who are SICK and TIRED of being RAPED, BEATEN and ROBBED... instead of incarcerating CRIMINALS YOU WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST POLICE WHO ARREST THESE CRIMINALS and YOU make their JOB almost impossible by your false claims of RACISM like with your friend Skip GATES and Cambridge POLICE WTF Police were only trying to PROTECT his property and possibly his life when a neighbor called them when they saw GATES breaking into his own home after coming back from vacation Gates refused to show ID when asked by POLICE and then he taunted, harassed, provoked them and when HE repeatedly refused LAWFUL POLICE ORDERS to quit acting disorderly they FINALLY arrested him BUT ITS OK BECAUSE OBAMMER WHO IS BLACK promoted anarchy by getting cops to DROP CHARGES against HIS FRIND as HE ILLEGALLY INTERFERRED with a POLICE MATTER.
HE MAY BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the MILITARY to our destruction but he's NOT TOP COP so WTF????
as he goes on to infer that most WHITE cops racial profile BLACKS and disporportionately arrest them
WTF??? you want COPS TO STOP ARRESTING CRIMINALS???
WTF???? you want cops to arrest WHITES just for being WHITE until the numbers match???
WTF??? YOU want WHITES to committ more crime and rob and rape and kill more so the numbers match????
YOU SAY THAT BLACKS and LATINOS are DISPROPORTIONATELY ARRESTED and IMPRISONED
NO DUHHHH WTF!!! EVERYONE KNOWS THEY DISPROPORTIONATELY COMMITT CRIMES
50% of the population committs 95% of the VIOLENT CRIME
hell even their own people want to get away from them but instead they BRING the problems with them to suburbia and every small town USA
LOOK at LOUISIANA, CHICAGO and the rest of the DEMOgraphics what next make the demos ILLEGAL, WE ALL KNOW EVEN YOUR PEOPLE KNOW. DEAL with the CORE problem ANARCHY will NOT FIX THE PROBLEM ANARCHY will only make it 1000 times WORST!!
TRY living and working in Chicago's ENGLEWOOD neighborhood unprotected like the rest of CHICAGO's citizens and then tell me why you live in your little protected enclaves isolated from crime and violence you help to create As you said if Gates tried breaking into your house he WOULD be shot! WHY is it OK for you but NOT for us??? are WE really the RACISTS here??? what about the protests about a WHITE COP because HE's WHITE and YOURB people say HEY COULDn'T they find someone BLACK to DO THE JOB WTF... TELL ME THATS NOT RACIST and THAT AFFIRMATIVE-ACTION AND DIVERSITY isn't racist and sexist against whites and white males THEN I'll laugh at your duplicity and your racism as you excuse yourself and blame others
QUIT PROMOTING ANARCHY and PUTTING AMERICAN's IN DANGER or go fight in AFGANISTAN and just go and REASON with the BROTHERS......
Another child left behind! SMH!
Wow, the rants just keep getting longer.
Another smart move by the Obama administration. "Umm, are you sure you won't hurt us going forward; and although you have been trained to hate Americans your whole life, I'm taking your word on it"; "and if you want immunity here in the U.S., you got it, as I will need the votes". How does one get dumber while learning on the job? This is what we'll get:
Today's Quote:
> Give a man a fish and he eats for a day....
> Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with
free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt
liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he'll vote democrat for the rest
of his life.
flbikerchick - "Wow, the rants just keep getting longer."
And the ridiculous attempts at defense shorter.
Negotiating with terrorists is fundamentally wrong and counter productive in the long term. The thing that our western leaders have to keep in mind is that the fight against terrorism is a struggle between ideas, between the differences in values on everyday life. Although they can cheapen the lives already sacrificed by our soldiers by negotiating yourself out of Afghanistan, it will not end the differences in our values and the fight will continue.
The way to fight global terrorism is by implementing a smart risk management policy that will give us consistent progress with time. To defeat this enemy we have to fight by their rules only hit them 10x as hard. Instead of secretly releasing them they should be secretly executing them and "clean" the prison cells for the next batch. Until this enemy feels fear they will continue.
Wow! That's almost the same words Hitler used when talking about the Jews, Gypsies, French, Dutch, Ukrainians, other Germans, Algerians, Russians, Americans, etc.. You may be on something with you line of thinking . . . crack!
---I should have you talk to some of my old friends the Vietnam prisoners, I have hired--well I guess you can ask McCain!--That is the problem people like you and the worst terrorist "corporate America", who actually pay directly and indirectly for the elections here via adds, and then you with them control the majority!
You need some major schooling!--And I do not mean US military!---After traveling many millions on air, I hope you never encounter an attack on those planes because we spend a major amount on harassing the globe so "they" get pissed at us (even in EU), and the only big thing they can do is hit planes!
American - Given your obvious lack of knowledge of history your username is redundant.
haha Thats pretty funny.. I'm from the United States though.. and not everyone here is like that.. It is really hard to live in this country sometimes.. Just understand that its not the whole country.. There are 300 million people here.. A lot of dumb people.. But still many smart ones too. I have hope that its not too late to slow down this corporate sponsored political system we have enacted. Peace brother.